Open Forum: November 24,2012

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  1. jumpnmcar

    Am i the only person on the planet that doesn’t do facebook?

    Me,Carpe J and JC.
    Prestigious company. :)

  2. Add me to the Facebook free people.
    The Kingdom of Winston will look at using the new internet powers to regulate Facebook. Every third paragraph will consist only of “WTF?” and “OMG!”

  3. Alice

    On flat screen TVs which are now dort cheap – bugger all. On the cars a nd rego and insuarnce a lot. On the mortgage a lot and on rents for people who a renting – a lot. On electricity and power – going up at way above inflation and we want to alk aboy cheap electronic goods being cheaper than when. Does having a flat screen TV really detemine whether people are making it or not. Does anyone still sell no flat screen TVs?

    Come on Davef – dont give me examples of what ate up the household budget 30 years ago. It must be relevant to today. How about your kids now living at home or cosing you a lot for study costs (because they cant more out). Talk real and 2012 Davef. TVs are low down on households costs as a percentage of their income.

  4. Carpe Jugulum

    I’ve got MW on in the background, tonight’s beverage is vodka and orange and the laptop is fired up.

    I have an Asahi in hand and 3 in the fridge.

  5. JC

    Dave F

    Let me do a leftie critique of your comment please. Stay with me as I’m trying to figure out generalized idiocy in the leftist community.

    I pointed out how poorer people benefit from free trade.

    But we don’t take into account environmental degradation, loss of habitat and poor people losing their culture.

    Consumer goods have never been cheaper so it leaves more money for other needs or wants.

    Some of us say they should be more expensive to reflect their true cost.. it’s not all just economics, you know.

    As far as house prices go that is a function of zoning. Which is a government matter.

    Yes, but think of all the Macmansions that are built. Stopping development stops more being built.

    If every block was zoned a 6 storey block of flats prices of housing would come down pretty quickly. But they aren’t. So they don’t.

    You’re advocating consumerism which is a scourge on the health of the planet. Think sustainable.

    I

    t’s people who own houses that don’t want a block of flats next door that keep housing unaffordable by lobbying the Council for restrictions.

    We don’t need more housing. We need more government services for people.

    To be continued.. Q&A is on. Gotta watch.

  6. Carpe Jugulum

    Q&A straight to the the slappers slushfund, Barnaby comes out guns ablazing.

  7. Alice

    me too Jumpncar.
    I dont do facebook. Cant be bothered with all the gossip.

  8. JC

    Jc has a FB account he just never accesses it

    Technically true. Thanks for reminding me.

  9. Carpe Jugulum

    Barnaby – ‘thats a generic lefty line’

  10. 1st question: slush funds are trivial and should Parliament be discussing them?

    Joyce: I turned on the tv and heard someone calling somebody [all sorts of names] and it was our PM. He wants straight answers.

    Biggins thinks that the questions are just the same old same old, like the Obama birthers.

    Joyce reckons Biggins is just running the tired old lefty line lol.

  11. Penny Wong, bucking Joyce for bucketing Gillard for bucketing Blewitt.

  12. Alice

    JC

    You know all your left righty pat lines of arguments, but you really missed the whole point of the argument cause you came late (admit it) grabbed your sowrd and starting defending the realm with all the pat tired old left right arguments you could come up with.

    Shame on you JC for leaping for your sword before you thought about following the argument realistically and genuinely.

  13. Carpe Jugulum

    Nilk, Biggins is a sort of a twat.

  14. Bucketing Joyce, sorry. PIMF.

    SnowCone reckons that she’s already given 2 press conferences so why bother with answering to Parliament.

  15. Fleeced

    That said, it’s very handy to keep a watch on the leftards.

    Yeah, their latest is a hate campaign to have Abbott removed as “White Ribbon Day ambassador”.

  16. Septimus

    Smug little turd is how I would describe him.

    Nah. More than a match for Leigh Sales is how I would describe him.

    And it pleased me to see that she knew it.

  17. hzhousewife

    Oh how true
    PWong said ” most Australians see straight through this as a tactic”
    I immediately thought re JG’s little press conference show today, but PWong is probably referring to Barnaby going hammer and tongs
    Different prejudicial views !!!

  18. Carpe Jugulum

    Janet A – the PM makes a better politician than a lawyer – lol.

  19. Janet is schooling the audience on what the fark is going on.

  20. Carpe Jugulum

    Q&A – Albrechtson is on fire.

  21. DaveF

    Oh ok jump I see what you mean.

    Not a great deal, that has to be true.

    Generally cheaper goods are an advantage for the importing country.

    In Australia’s case we spend the bulk of our money on services so the money we save on products we use to pay for health services or restaurants maybe more superannuation. More taxes perhaps.

    Generally your standard of living is predicated on how much you can buy so cheaper goods would tend to make you richer.

    As far as Australia is getting worked over I really don’t know. I think the Yanks touched us up on the IP clause but as far a ag goes I think we did ok.

    Trade is a winner. We sell tons of stuff to Asia, fair dinkum most of the cheese there is ours and when I lived in Japan the AusTrade guy who I ran into in a bar told me ALL ( I think he exaggerated) the gas in Japan was from here.

    TL;DR We sell to the East and import goods from the West. We are the richer for it.

  22. Pat Norman Pat Norman ‏@pat_norman

    Penny Wong is the epitome of reason, clarity and grace. #qanda

    [but not pulchritude]

    The gracious Penny believes that we should move on rather than the continued scare campaign.

    Stella agrees with Wong, and it shouldn’t be discusses – more funding for education is what she wants to talk about.

  23. JC

    WTF.. There’s a one eyed dwarf on the Q&A panel with dyed red hair.

  24. Carpe Jugulum

    #quanda -SSSSTEEEELLLLLLAAAA

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Da Hairy Ape and I just agreed – Janet Albrechton just done good on da ABC.

  26. Okay, Q from the audience: in a nutshell, the gov’t is bringing in all these new programs, but they can’t fund them.

    A>Let’s tax google. What does Penny think?

  27. catnip

    Albrechtson is on fire.

    Then douse her with water someone. Quick.

  28. hzhousewife

    I declare Facebook and Twitter Free also

  29. jumpnmcar

    Q&A is on.

    Fuck MUPT ” Manipulated by Union Pressure Time “.
    #DON’T ADJUST THE CLOCK, SHEEP!!

  30. Carpe Jugulum

    Nilk – I am waiting for a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory reference (yes i will probably go to hell for that)

  31. Tal

    Good on ya Nilk taking one for the team again

  32. DaveF

    Can I respond in a bit JC?

    I was caught up in another long post so I only saw it now.

  33. Septimus

    No Facebook for me either. And definitely no Twitter.

  34. Snow:With these massive reforms (gonski &c) we’re talking collectively $10b a year, where is it going to come from?

    Penny:It’s going to require difficult decisions, and we’ll tell you about it next budget.

    Sone:In advance you’ve got to have some idea where it’s coming from?

    Penny:On tax, we’ve made a commitment to stay below the tax to gdp rate we had when Costello was running it. I think you should have a look at how we’ve funded some things today. (no info on how they’re doing that of course)

    Joyce: It’s quite simple where it’s coming from – you’re borrowing it. How are you going to pay it back?

    Stella: I’m sick of talking about where the money comes from. It’s kind of demeaning to talk about that sort of thing. We don’t think in terms of money – disabled people and our families, we think of things like how many showers we have, how to get around. We don’t think about the money.

    [and there you have it, Cats. Stella doesn't care about where it comes from - just show her the money. ]

  35. JC

    This has to be the end of the line..

    Jones invited a far leftwing dyed red hair, one eyed dwarf on the show who thinks it’s demeaning to ask where the money is coming from.

  36. Carpe Jugulum

    Q&A – Stella has no idea about finance, there is no fvking magic money tree grievance monger.

    ‘empowered disability rights movement’ does anyone know what wheelie girl is on about?

  37. DaveF

    Stella Young is pretty strident on her ABC blog about the NDIS.

    Just sayin’

  38. What’s a twitter, hzhousewife?
    (We had four redwing parrots feeding at the Clinic today. Mum and three littlies. Gorgeous.)

  39. There are people whose lives are not sustainable without the NDIS.

    So, Stella, what were they doing before then?

    OMG it’s all about righting a wrong.

    Excuse me? What is the wrong? You were born with more physical challenges so therefore we have to pay your way?

    Talk about entitlement central.

  40. JC

    According to her, it’s an injustice we haven’t funded the NDIS.

  41. Pickles

    Barnaby has just referred to Biggins as “cyclone”.

  42. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    The one eyed dwarf was just allowed to cut off Barnaby’s take down of Wong’s unfunded promises by saying, “I am sick of people asking where is the money coming from for the NDIS”
    What fucking planet do these retards come from?
    The dwarf and that Wong bloke are without doubt the 2 rudest arseholes that I have seen on this show. Why does that fat bastard Jones not pull them up for speaking over Joyce?

  43. JC, has she paid extra taxes to help out?

  44. DaveF

    I have sympathy for her parents, but, but, but isn’t there a limit?

    It’ll cost as much as medicare.

  45. JC

    JC, has she paid extra taxes to help out?

    No, she just wants more money to right a wrong.

  46. hzhousewife

    Aaaghh Winston, I gotta visit you one day !
    How’s the old ticker going btw? all settled down again? I just had 20 hrs in A&E a coupla weeks ago and have such admirations for all health professionals from the cleaners/porters etc up, we are so lucky in OZ ….. BUT…. it costs a lot, and I’m willing to pay.

    BEST Q & A all year ( no animal libbers yet, that’s about the only topic not yet covered !)

  47. DaveF

    Perhaps scrap Medicare to pay for it?

  48. Carpe Jugulum

    Q&A – On cue ‘Goggles’ the comedian thinks the banks should cough up the cash. Freaking moron.

    Stella still doesn’t care where the money comes from.

    Wong is still dissembling on our debt. Barnaby is right (good name for a blog) what is our debt today.

    JA – The debt Barnaby won’t be with us it will be with our children and grandchildren. Zing.

  49. catnip

    Why are all the rightwing women in the public eye today hard faced dirty or platinum blondes that look like they need a good feed and a laugh? At least the lefty media workers and pollies have a bit of physical variety.

    Just sayin’.

  50. Let’s not talk down our wonderful economy, according to Wong.

    Janet speaking sense to panel.

    Janet: sometimes doing nothing is more prudent than doing something if it means getting the economy on track.

    Voters should think more about holding the gov’t to account and stop asking.

    [AOFM Aust Off of Financial Mgt - Barnaby recommends we go there and check out the debt for ourselves.]

  51. Carpe Jugulum

    WTF is that smartarse “goggles the comedian” on about? Did he hit the crackpipe in the green room/

  52. DaveF

    Autistic children now.

    Yes, nobody knows….It’s in parliament this week.

    Lazy eye doesn’t like definitions about disability.

  53. Barnaby banging on about $252billion in debt, nobody wants to talk about it.

    Here we go, vid q from a fellow with an autistic son. He thinks the gov’t isn’t aware that there seem to be more and more autistic children, and what will they do to help.

    Snow asks Stella are autistic people included in the NDIS.

    Stella doesn’t know, but we need it.

    Tonight’s Pelosi Moment brought to you by ABCQandA.

    We have to pass it so we will learn what’s in it.

    Stella wants free wheelchairs. She had to pay for hers, and that’s wrong.

  54. Carpe Jugulum

    OK Stella we get it, you’re a disability advocate here’s mu fvking chequebook go crazy(er)

  55. jumpnmcar

    DaveF
    Our farmers are more environmentally conscious, higher taxed, incredibly innovative , pay high wages, expensive water/electricity and elevated land prices due to foreign investors that DON’T face the same barriers in their own countries.
    Fair or not?

  56. Infidel Tiger

    At least the lefty media workers and pollies have a bit of physical variety.

    Lefty women all look like they came out of a plain paper packaging factory.

  57. JC

    At least the lefty media workers and pollies have a bit of physical variety.

    Just sayin’.

    You mean like this?

    or this thing?

  58. SnowCone handballs to Wong, who says, tghat’s for the school funding to worry about. ie – handball to (later) Ron.

  59. candy

    What about a referendum on NDIS to see if people are happy to pay directly for the NDIS through a levy or taxation/Medicare.
    That would sort it.

  60. Carpe Jugulum

    Tonight’s Pelosi Moment brought to you by ABCQandA.

    aaaaahahahahahahaha

    Did you know it stings when you shoot beer out of your nose.

  61. DaveF

    How should we pay for the NDIS Catnip? Any thoughts?

  62. My eyesight’s not what it once was. Where’s my effin wheelchair???

  63. Barnaby points out that the gov’t needs to show they’ve got the resources.

    Shorter Stella: who cares about the money? Show Me The WHEELCHAIR!!

  64. hzhousewife

    I would FAR RATHER pay for disability and carers than for brand new healthy babies of sentient adults so they can buy huge designer baby carriages.
    I can see a zillion jobs for females between 10 am and 2pm all over my neighbourhood looking after both older and younger members of the community, BUT, the basic wage plus the OH&S and the cost of “Training” eg common sense via TAFE courses EG the shop I work for just got whole page of detailed instruction about how to use a ladder.

    Carpe, you inspired me to have a second glass of wine tonight, big smile and I won’t be able to sleep now, but WOT FUN !!

  65. DaveF

    Comedian suggests tax is too low.

    A Comedian.

  66. Biggins thinks that we’re spending less tax, so we should be taxed more.

    Joyce asks for a show of hands, who wants to pay more tax? Some idiots put their hands up.

  67. Q:I think the original q was about tax avoidance by large corp’ns. Wong said difficult decisions have to be made. IS her gov’t kprepared to make them?

    Wong: Yes.

    Stella: Show me the money.

  68. Lloyd

    “We’re past the money”
    What planet do these people come from?

  69. Carpe Jugulum

    We’ve moved beyond the money now Barnaby – Jesus wept.

    Yay, Goggles the clown wants us to be taxed more. Audience agreed.

    Ding Ding Ding – we have the gay marriage question from a ‘fillum maker’

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Ha ha ha. Barnaby just asked the audience to put their hands up if they wanted to pay more tax.

    Almost no-one did.

    Gold!

  71. JC

    bingo

    It took a while, but we finally got there.

    Gay marriage, folks. The question was just asked.

  72. And here’s the gayby activist now: have any of you ever thought of kids in same sex families, and the change to the marriage act??

    Janet: I’ve got teenaged daughters. On gay marriage the kids all agree. I think it’s going to happen, and I’m coming around to it so I think it’s a good thing. Not because of the hectoring, but we need to keep it rational.

  73. DaveF

    err thank you for sharing hzhousewife.

  74. catnip

    Even Obama wants to increase tax on the wealthy.

    Guess that’s why he got another go.

  75. Good thanks hzhousewife. Feel better than I have for four years.
    You’re right, it does cost a lot – my stay for fifteen days cost $110k, but that includes the implantable defibrillator/pacemaker. $56k.
    The entire crew at Townsville Mater were fabulous. From the cleaners (and didn’t we have a few words about credit cards and brothels!) to the cardiac specialists.
    I left ‘em with about eight kilos of chockies.

  76. Carpe Jugulum

    the shop I work for just got whole page of detailed instruction about how to use a ladder.

    Hzhousewife – try the building industry, ladder use is a 4 page work method statement.

  77. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    I canna take anymore Cap’n. I managed to last until the obligatory gay marriage statement/question. That’s me done for the night.

  78. JC

    Some idiots put their hands up.

    They don’t pay tax.

  79. DaveF

    Don’t hector me, thanks Janet

  80. Carpe Jugulum

    I support gay marriage as long as both chicks are hot.

  81. “I think that politicians use the excuse that it’s about the children, but nobody’s asking the children of gay parents?”

    Really? And what about your father? Oh, sorry, your sperm donor. Let’s see what happens when you have children of your own, and they want to know about that part of your family tree that was chopped off before you were born.

  82. Septimus

    This is not good. So many Cat folks risking life and limb to watch (shudder) Q&A. There could be a mass outbreak of PTSD tonight. ;)

  83. DaveF

    Did you see the expression of the (unknown to me) comedian when Joyce said “how do we pay for it”

    BTW the passing of a law isn’t societal acceptance.

  84. Wong: thank you for having the courage to come here and ask this question.

    Shorter nilk: sod off.

    Wong: the worst issue about this is people who want to make it all about children – I don’t want your family or my family to be denigrated in this debate.

    shorter nilk: what about those who disagree with your views?

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Children of gay marriage feeling discriminated against because her ‘two mums’ aren’t able to marry? Barnaby presents the traditional view, Albrechtson says she is ‘changing’ on this.

    I am not changing. I think these children have been short-changed. They will have to learn to live with it. Just as people learn to live with many other things in their lives.

    Penny Wong says the issue is not one about parenting.
    I disagree.

    Marriage ‘equality’ is not equality for children who have both a mother and a father – somewhere.

  86. Carpe Jugulum

    So many Cat folks risking life and limb to watch (shudder) Q&A.

    Yes but we are drinking while we do it. So it’s safe.

  87. Ripper

    Lol. Biggles just let slip the questions that were going to be asked are shown before the program

  88. Carpe Jugulum

    Wine here carpe jugulum

    I do hope it is a good red.

  89. Lizzie, I’m becoming a rabid pro-lifer in my old age, which means I’m coming down against ivf and surrogacy.

    How many embryos were created and destroyed in the process of Wong getting the child that she and her partner wanted? What happens when the child grows up and wants to know about daddy? Or will she grow up knowing that that is a question that is not to be asked?

    Donated Generation is a very interesting blog dealing with questions of donor conception from an adult’s point of view.

  90. Sinclair Davidson

    Irish coffees here – but not watching Q@A.

  91. Okay, Wong explaining why ‘asylum seekers’ aren’t allowed to work. You have to remove the incentives for them coming hiere.

    Wow, how’s that for rocket science?

  92. How about TPVs and incarceration?

  93. Total Commonwealth Government Securities
    on Issue – $252,986m consisting of:
    Treasury Bonds – $219,348m
    Treasury Indexed Bonds – $17,119m
    Treasury Notes – $16,500m
    Other Securities – $19m
    As at 23 November 2012.
    Updated weekly.
    Face value amounts rounded to the nearest million.

    And to pay the National Credit Card off, the interest bill is about $110 Billion! (Can’t remember where I got the information from.)

  94. Fleeced

    And to pay the National Credit Card off, the interest bill is about $110 Billion!

    That doesn’t sound right.

  95. Carpe Jugulum

    Q&A and so we move onto the boaties problem. How come no one has mentioned the alp has over a 1000 deaths on their hands.

    Wong is spluttering crap about the Hpouston Panel.

    Question from an unlawful non-citizen. How the fvk does a boatie on Nauru get to post a question on the fvking TV?

  96. Lloyd

    Q&A makes me want to break things.
    Mind you, Albrechtson’s hypothetical about being Jones’ girlfriend made me want to barf.

  97. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    You’re walking a bloody fine line there Lizzie. On one side a firing squad, on the other, crocodiles.

    Hey King Winston, or rather, your glorious majesty, fine lines are my forte. Tightrope walking, one of my hidden talents.

  98. DaveF

    Chateau Carboard white I’m afraid. Last glass now 2 decent glasses of red.

  99. Carpe Jugulum

    the interest bill is about $110 Billion!

    Dear God my unborn Great Grandkids will never pay that off.

  100. And a facebook question from an afghani who is currently in Nauru.

    So he’s in the terrible, deprived Nauru, and has facebook access.

    Reminds me of a mate who was stuck in Maribyrnong detention. The place was 100% halal, gym, tv, games room, if you did things like play nice you got to earn points for things like cancer sticks, and the condom dispensers in the toilets were always stocked.

  101. C.L.

    Recorded on a phone at the O2 yesterday:

    Rolling Stones live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5E6mwcoefE

    Still the GRRBITW.

  102. DaveF

    I ask again is this guy a comedian in any way?

  103. Carpe Jugulum

    People drowning at see is a convenient smokescreen. Goggles the clown either just jumped the shark or he is a drooling cretin.

  104. Biggins: the deaths at sea are a bit of a smokescreen.

    It’s our apathy towards people who are now numbers, not faces.

  105. DaveF

    I’ll do your answers in a minute JC, I haven’t forgotten.

    And you as well jump.

  106. Lazlo

    Janet great on Q&A tonight on AWU.

    And now being wonderful on immigration.

    Janet for PM!

  107. Carpe Jugulum

    JA – she is a class act, don’t always agree with her but she is very forthright.

  108. DaveF

    Have fashionable glasses become big again?

  109. Carpe Jugulum

    Woo Hoo – Stella pulls the racist card, well done tiny white girl.

    Stella, the choclate factory rang, you are late for your shift.

  110. If the objective is to stop the people getting on the boats, what policies would be most likely to stop them?

    Janet: message is not clear from the government, so the people smugglers will keep pushing the envelope.

    If we outsource the decision to people smugglers, people will turn against increasing the humanitarian intake (which I agree with).

    [okay, Janet, you’re turning left. }

    Stella agrees with Biggins about the hysteria about boat people and refugees, and it means we’re talking about taxes, and that’s wrong. We have signed all these Conventions where we should treat refugees with respect and we’re not holding up our side of the bargain.

    (of course, what do THEY have to do??)

  111. JC

    Stella’s eye is captivating. I lose everything she says and just concentrate on the eye bopping around.

  112. DaveF

    Joyce: the resigned tone of a Lib at the end of Q&A.

  113. Sinclair Davidson

    $110 billion is too big – maybe $10B?

  114. JC

    Janet seems frightened of being booed.

  115. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Aaargh. Don’t mention numbers, or he’ll be along before we know it.

    Final Q and A was two bottles worth (nearly) for us.

    Feeling no pain, as even Red Tony had to knock back some seriously dopey questions from the audience.

  116. Carpe Jugulum

    My score for Q&A

    Barnaby 7
    JA 7
    Wong 6
    Stella 2
    Goggles the Clown – 1

  117. I had one glass, but it’s such a trainwreck. I should have had 3.

  118. JC

    Goggles the Clown – 1

    Was he supposed to be funny? He’s a total jerkoff.

  119. C.L.

    LOL.

    Mick Jagger not really worried by furore:

    Jagger made a cheeky reference to the furore over ticket prices for the show, with the cheapest seats selling at £95 and many fans paying much more. ‘Is everyone all right in the cheap seats?’ he asked as he gestured to the upper tier. ‘They’re not really cheap, are they?’

  120. Carpe Jugulum

    Was he supposed to be funny?

    Only in his own mind.

  121. 10% additional levy on all income and we’ll have the debt paid off in three. 5% and we can do it in two terms.

    Call it the ‘Wayne’s World Levy’.

  122. Three years @ 10%. Two terms of government @ 5%.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Occasionally HIA, the educated sophisticate and intellectual, accuses me of ‘going back to the mat’, i.e. going native to some of my Housing Commission and runaway origins and Maori affinal rellies of my sister.

    I think that Janet A. (whom he admires greatly, he is partial to clear-thinking blondes) is going native for this audience.

    HIA defending her against my attack. So – he really does like her. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Have another vat of wine dear, he says with unusual charm.

    Alice – once you have control of a defunct and useless Body Corporate, never let it go. Great things can then be done. Sage if somewhat sloshed advice.

  124. Gab

    With a clear line item stating: contribution for Rudd/Gillard government profligate spending.

  125. Gab

    And thanks to all those drunkblogging Q&A. You watch so I don’t have to.

  126. You’re welcome, Gab. It’s the only way I can stomach the show, and I get to share the pain. :)

    Time for me to hit the hay. I’ve got to be up at 6.

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    JC, da Hairy Ape says you’ve put out at least five Tribunals’ worth tonight, but thank you so much. We were both very amused. Each one deserved another glass.

    I read out your comments to him, but I was cracking up too much to get them out in one breath.

  128. DaveF

    Dave F

    Let me do a leftie critique of your comment please. Stay with me as I’m trying to figure out generalized idiocy in the leftist community.

    Legitimate questions.

    But we don’t take into account environmental degradation, loss of habitat and poor people losing their culture.

    The environment is a luxury good for mankind. Sydney Harbour was a sewer, Singapore was a toxic swamp for far too long but now both are fishing grounds. As people get richer they value the environment and their health better. So once people become richer they lobby for intangibles.

    And maybe pristine environment is running out? There is none. Mankind has set foot on every inch of land on this planet. Nothing is pristine.

    Consumer goods have never been cheaper so it leaves more money for other needs or wants.

    Some of us say they should be more expensive to reflect their true cost.. it’s not all just economics, you know.

    Yes, fair comment, if goods cost more they would be purchased less, simple economics. And whether the full economic cost of the externalities is included in the cost is important. However it wasn’t generally used during the Wests industrialisation as the external costs were were deeded to further generations that had been nurtured by the wealth of their polluting parents.

    Perhaps the poorer people have made the same decision.

    As far as house prices go that is a function of zoning. Which is a government matter.

    Yes, but think of all the Macmansions that are built. Stopping development stops more being built.

    McMansions are a rational choice for land zoning. A hugely expensive block of land needs a hugely expensive house. How many Sydney Eastern Suburb waterfront blocks boast a shack?

    If every block was zoned a 6 storey block of flats prices of housing would come down pretty quickly. But they aren’t. So they don’t.

    You’re advocating consumerism which is a scourge on the health of the planet. Think sustainable.

    Off a tangent there, mate lol.

    Hmm, tough one. Consumerism is generally considered to be advertising created. Perhaps you imply that having more dwellings leads to more purchases for furnishings etc I suppose that would be true, nothing like a wedding gift list to see base consumerist desires. Riddle me this: do you if you own a personal lawnmower for your house, surely it’s more efficient to have one for the whole street. You could all take turns.

  129. SteveC

    Former St John of God brother Bernard Kevin McGrath, who recently served two years in a New Zealand prison for sexually abusing boys there, had 252 abuse charges laid against him in a Newcastle court on June 27.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/tardy-extradition-bid-allows-abusing-catholic-brother-to-flee-to-sri-lanka-20121125-2a1n7.html#ixzz2DKXBrsUJ

    One Catholic brother, 252 charges.

  130. Lazlo

    One Catholic brother, 252 charges.

    Indefenceable. Your point?

  131. JC

    You seem to get really excited with this stuff, SteveC. Almost a little too excited for anyone’s comfort.

  132. DaveF

    DaveF
    Our farmers are more environmentally conscious, higher taxed, incredibly innovative , pay high wages, expensive water/electricity and elevated land prices due to foreign investors that DON’T face the same barriers in their own countries.
    Fair or not?

    Yep. Fair.

    They suffer from their own foolish government policies as well as our do.

    I can’t enumerate them but they are legion for all countries. Why isn’t Africa a breadbowl but Australia and Canada are? Conversly why does Sth Korea export tech when it is very much a rice producer?

    The investors are fleeing their own countries to invest in our agriculture. Freedom quote?

  133. C.L.

    One Catholic brother, 252 charges.

    When does he get a safe Labor seat?

  134. C.L.

    DRUDGE headlines on Obama’s America:

    LAND OF THE FREE:
    Woman detained for riding manatee…
    Man Jailed Four Days for Recording Cops…
    Company fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots…
    School District Requiring Students To Wear Microchips To Track Every Move…
    Palm scanners in schools, hospitals…

  135. DaveF

    He’s in Sri Lanka SteveC.

    The story is he fled the authorities.

  136. DaveF

    No f’king way. When was it illegal to ride a manatee?

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Why are all the rightwing women in the public eye today hard faced dirty or platinum blondes that look like they need a good feed and a laugh?

    Yers, Catnip. I am thinking around that right now. She does need a good feed and a laugh by the looks of things. Da Hairy Ape may take some convincing re this, so pleased is he with her tonight.

    I though am sleekly toned and well-fed as well as gently pliably blonde, but not in the media. And I am here, Irishman, smiling cow-eyed blandishments at you.

    Yay! Never fails!

  138. DaveF

    Does anyone know the economist who wrote the externalities law. I wanted to use it earlier but it escapes me.

  139. SteveC

    Lazlo “Indefenceable. Your point?”
    CL tried to argue earlier that “most instances of child sexual abuse” occurred in the ADF. which is patently absurd. Hence my illustration.

  140. hzhousewife

    jagger taunts the “cheap seats” -

    “they really weren’t cheap, were they?”

    love that man !!!

  141. Pedro the Ignorant

    Rotten thing to do, posting that You Tube of ALP boilers prancing about like demented baboons, CL.

    That’s about 30 seconds of my life I will never get back.

    What has been seen can never be unseen.

  142. DaveF

    Pedro: you lasted 30 seconds?

  143. DaveF

    CL rickrolled us with that vid

  144. Splatacrobat

    My picks for the Q&A line up for the first show in the new year:

    Robert McClelland, newly appointed Attorney General in the Rudd Government
    Christopher Pyne
    Andrew Bolt
    Simon Sheikh Greens Senate candidate for the election called in March 2013
    Token leftie with a disability/is gay/worships Gaia/public servant/wants free stuff

  145. C.L.

    Yes, Labor will overlook most of the sexual abuse cases at the protestant-run ADF and has strictly capped compensation at $50,000 – even for the boy raped with a broom handle.

    Sociopathic lack of empathy.

    DLA Piper also concluded that the protestant-overseen abuse extended far back beyond the 1950s but there weren’t enough records to quantify the historical problem.

    There is no doubt that the military rapes and other sexual assaults in state-run institutions and in state-run Aboriginal settlements constitute the worst and most numerous of child sexual assaults in Australian history.

    My earlier question:

    Question for lefties: do you support strictly limiting compensation for any proven victims of sexual abuse in Catholic institutions?

  146. Splatacrobat

    No f’king way. When was it illegal to ride a manatee?

    Just as well it’s not illegal here or Tim could be in big trouble.

  147. Fleeced

    That’s about 30 seconds of my life I will never get back.

    You think you only need 30 seconds back? My friend, the PTSD lasts a lifetime.

  148. DaveF

    No f’king way. When was it illegal to ride a manatee?

    Just as well it’s not illegal here or Tim could be in big trouble.

    Splat:

    I coughed up wine on that one.

  149. Splatacrobat

    Rotten thing to do, posting that You Tube of ALP boilers prancing about like demented baboons, CL.

    Even Elaine from Seinfeld dances better than that

  150. DaveF

    SteveC are you drive by commenter?

  151. DaveF

    OK question answered.

    I wanted to ask what he thought of my free trade views.

    Not a biggie.

  152. entropy

    Not that I have anything against Taylor Swift, but is there anything lamer than the annual ‘import some young American starlet’ to give out gongs at the ARIA awards?

    I mean, besides actually watching it. Or attending for that matter.

  153. One catholic brother, 252 charges.

    He’s one man. Does that mean all catholic brothers have the same evil proclivities? Or only catholic brothers?

    How about perhaps he had those habits before he went into the Church? Would it be more acceptable if he hadn’t joined the Church?

    I know, he should have become a teacher. After all, more teachers apparently offend than do priests.

    Then I read the article, and lo! it turns out that this offender is also a teacher.

    Why is that point not relevant? He sought employment in an environment that afforded him plenty of opportunity. Male only religious orders that are not run as stringently as they used to be, teaching at boys’ schools – particularly for boys who could be considered ‘troubled’ is a recipe for success for someone like that.

  154. Septimus

    Good morning brave Catallaxians. That was sterling duty by quite a few last night to provide live reports from the front line at Q&A. Some brief examples of the horrors endured were shown on ABC24 this morning. Clearly, there was dire need to fortify yourselves against the sensory onslaught with strong pain-killers such as vodka & orange, Asahi, red wine, and even in one instance, cardboard carton white. Had I not run out of Jack Sparrow’s favourite medication I might have summoned the courage to join you, but alas it was not to be. So, well done to you all and I hope you have all recovered well from the ordeal.

    Cheers.

  155. Rabz

    That was sterling duty by quite a few last night to provide live reports from the front line at Q&A.

    I don’t know how they do it – leavened with significant consumption of alcoholic beverages, presumably…

  156. Rabz

    As Septimus goes on to point out…

  157. Rabz

    SteveC are you drive by commenter?

    No, he’s just an inveterate imbecile.

  158. Fleeced

    Taylor Swift seems a nicer sort than what they usually bring out though…

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Hello Septimus and all. After last nite’s Q & A on the Cat da Hairy Ape and I are now taking the Panadol and setting out to face the day. He to work, and me to my dance class. Lips, we determine to each other, that touch alcohol shall never now touch ours. Not until at least a nite or two without, anyway. In the cold light of day, and without the green monster of my jealousy hovering, Ms. Albrechtsen I must say is a very good-looking lady, as well as a very smart one. :)

    Some nites here on the Cat are like that, they rock.

  160. dover_beach

    The specific and particular tax that Romney pays to his church is identical in voluntariness to the tax you pay the Australian governments.

    No it isn’t, Jarrah. The “particular tax that Romney pays to his church is identical in voluntariness” to the subscription fee one pays as a subscriber to the New Yorker, or as a member of a gym, sporting club, etc. Romney can voluntarily avoid paying his tithe, he cannot voluntarily avoid paying tax. You are labouring under the illusion that because he can avoid paying tax in the United States by ceasing to be a United States citizen that he voluntarily pays taxes by remaining one. But since he cannot escape paying taxes somewhere the voluntariness you propose is illusory since I can cease being a subscriber to the New Yorker, gym, or sporting club, anywhere. However, this discussion began because you wanted to argue that the 10 out of 13.5% Romney provided to charity through a tithe didn’t count as a voluntary contribution because it was like a tax now makes even less sense then it originally did given the direction of your argument since.

  161. dover_beach

    Lizzie, I’m becoming a rabid pro-lifer in my old age, which means I’m coming down against ivf and surrogacy.

    Same here, nilk.

    The very sexiest of Australia’s left-wing women:

    You really are terrible, Muriel.

  162. Poor Old Rafe

    Great comment from leftish Kym at Tim Blair’s place.

    The Arab nations – collectively the true seat of civilisation – have been colinized and screwed over for nearly 200 years …

  163. Gab

    hahaha

    ‘colinized’? As in Colin Mohammed, or Colin Mahmoud or even Colin Arafat?

  164. Jarrah

    “Romney can voluntarily avoid paying his tithe, he cannot voluntarily avoid paying tax.”

    That’s utterly ridiculous. He can avoid paying US taxes by leaving the US, just as he can avoid Mormon taxes by leaving the Mormon church.

    Membership of each association is theoretically voluntary, but membership comes with conditions.

    “But since he cannot escape paying taxes somewhere the voluntariness you propose is illusory”

    This is a valid argument, and points to the lack of a binary state for voluntariness. Let’s see if you’re still keen on it when rephrased:

    I cannot escape paying for bluray players no matter where I go. Therefore, when I go into JB HiFi, my choice in going there is no choice at all, I am involuntarily paying because even if I go to Dick Smith, I still have to pay.

    This is a leftist argument. Still comfortable using it? ;-)

    The obvious response is that nothing is free, everything takes resources, so even building a bluray player myself would cost me resources. Luckily, specialisation and economies of scale mean that bluray players are made much more cheaply than I could ever do on my own, so being ‘forced’ to buy from JB HiFi is a better situation for me than being free to make my own. In addition, shops compete with each other, offering different prices and models, so although I’m ‘forced’ to pay, I can choose where I shop.

    Unfortunately for you, the same response applies to states and taxation. So you’re back at square one.

    Also, I’m surprised you are suggesting that someone can just leave their religion without a care. Supposedly this religion is the One True Path for Romney, his only chance at salvation and life everlasting. If he isn’t a member, he believes he will go to Hell (or something – whatever it is, it’s a punishment of epic proportions for a believer). So his choice is pay up or go to hell. Still sound voluntary to you?

  165. OK, found the link, such as it is. I originally took it from the Cat several months ago. Unfortunately I can’t find it.

  166. Septimus

    AAAAAHHH!!!

    Q&A repeat just came on ABC24 and I saw the first question from the woman with the funny shaped forehead in the audience. Amost regurgitated my lunch.

  167. Fleeced

    Just got this email:

    We are sorry to announce that due to legal and regulatory pressures, Intrade can no longer allow US residents to participate in our real-money prediction markets.

    What a bunch of fun-sheriffs the US has become.

  168. Septimus

    the woman with the funny shaped forehead

    Needless to say, the TV was immediately turned off! Some music will now be needed to sooth jangled nerves and get through the rest of the lunch break. Perhaps Sepultura …

  169. Fleeced

    My niece is a new driver, and I thought a hands-free FM kit for her iphone would be a good Christmas present – mostly so she could play her itunes through the car stereo, but also because it’s now law in NSW (since Nov 1) that a driver can’t use a mobile unless the mobile phone is secured in a fixed mounting.

    You’re basically not even allowed to touch your phone without a mount – a bit excessive, IMO. Anyway, after comparing online for the best models, I thought I better double-check the legal requirements, when I found this:

    Learner and P1 drivers and riders are not permitted to use a mobile phone at all while driving or riding

    Oh well, that’s that then… maybe next year, niece.

  170. .

    Learner and P1 drivers and riders are not permitted to use a mobile phone at all while driving or riding

    Most cars have a bluetooth connection set up.

    I blame that gibbering law and order idiot, Ray Hadlee. He is becoming like nanny roxon. He ought to get counselling if that car crash which a kid who knew his daughter is affecting his judgment so much.

  171. Septimus

    that would be ‘soothe’ with an ‘e’

  172. Septimus

    Decided upon James Horner’s excellent soundtrack for ‘House of Sand and Fog’ (Jennifer Connelly, Ben Kingsley). Very different from Horner’s other works.

    Looking forward to today’s Question Time.

  173. Gab

    Bunyip reports on teh AFR:

    A comedian tells some sexist and unsound jokes at a gathering of the Australian Hotels Association and that is reported, which is fair enough.

    So what illustration does some unsupervised leftoid mole in the AFR’s pictures department choose to illustrate the story? An old picture of Tony Abbott, who did not attend the event, wasn’t there, didn’t laugh at the gags and knew nothing about it. The picture and caption are below.

    http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-australian-financial-rot.html

  174. Septimus

    So what illustration does some unsupervised leftoid mole in the AFR’s pictures department choose to illustrate the story?

    Unsupervised? Too kind, Bunyip. More like a disgraceful lack of journalistic standards.

  175. Carpe Jugulum

    QT today, the speaker is an idiot.

    Slapper questions the company JB keeps.

    Bishop fires back with the $17K to town mode.
    Town Mode owned by Q Renovators P/L.

    Albosleazy continues to be a tosser.

  176. Carpe Jugulum

    Gillard sounds like she is about to start screeching like a fishwife in question time.

    I take it back – she is screeching like a fishwife.

  177. DaveF

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    The irrelevant TIME magazine has Sandra Fluke as a possible person of the year.

    They have gone beyond shark jumping here.

  178. Carpe Jugulum

    Seems to be more Dorothy Dixers than usual in QT.

  179. Tom

    Which is worse? Q&A or Q&T? Thank you for the selfless generosity in enduring something that the rest of us are unable to tolerate for health reasons, Jugs.

  180. Tom

    I almost forgot: My best to Lady Jugs.

  181. dover_beach

    That’s utterly ridiculous. He can avoid paying US taxes by leaving the US, just as he can avoid Mormon taxes by leaving the Mormon church.

    No, it isn’t. He cannot avoid paying taxes (as I’ve said before, if he ceases to pay taxes in the US, he will pay taxes elsewhere, he cannot escape them); he can avoid paying tithes, not only by becoming a member of another religious organisation like the RCC, but also by ceasing to be a member of any at all.

    I cannot escape paying for bluray players no matter where I go. Therefore, when I go into JB HiFi, my choice in going there is no choice at all, I am involuntarily paying because even if I go to Dick Smith, I still have to pay.

    This is on its face a stupid argument and not the one I raised. You can choose not to purchase and own a blu-ray player; you cannot choose to pay no taxes.

    Also, I’m surprised you are suggesting that someone can just leave their religion without a care.

    I never said he can leave “without a care”; I said the choice to remain a member is and always remains voluntary and this is true of this class of organisation, namely, voluntary organisation. The same is characteristically not the case of the class of organisation called states; here membership is and always has been compulsory. In other words, although membership of this or that state is voluntary, membership of a state is not. The same is not the case, as I stated before, of religious organisations, women’s gyms, sporting clubs, knitting bees, and so on. Not only is the choice of this or that organisation voluntary, but so too is being a member of any of these organisations at all. The clearest test of this is that every person on the Cat pays taxes but there will be quite a number who are not members of religious organisations and even a smaller number paying tithes.

  182. DaveF

    I know a few shooters comment here so I’ll throw this out there.

    Paul Ryan went deer hunting with his daughter.

    But Ryan, a dedicated bowhunter, earlier said that his daughter had been hunting with him before but this was the first year she could legally hunt alone from her own stand.

    She’s 10. That strikes me as a bit young to be shooting unsupervised from her own hide. Maybe 15 would be more realistic.

    Any thoughts?

  183. Carpe Jugulum

    My best to Lady Jugs.

    Thanks i’ll pass that on when i get home.

  184. .

    The irrelevant TIME magazine has Sandra Fluke as a possible person of the year.

    A few years ago they had the guy who has come close to a vaccine/cure for AIDS.

  185. m0nty

    Speaking of the Bunyip, what happened to his breathless announcement on Sunday night of “rumours that a move against Gillard is afoot”? He should stick to his billabong.

  186. Carpe Jugulum

    Julie Bishop tries to present a question with an affidavit from Cambridge – gets ruled out of order.

    The speaker is an ass.

  187. DaveF

    French bloke writes an article in French which has been translated at the Guardian.

    I think the headline was mistranslated:

    Why I want to open a gay-friendly mosque in Paris

    I’m certain the correct translation should be:

    Suicide is too much trouble, I’d like someone else to kill me.

  188. Cold-Hands

    The speaker is an ass

    The Speaker is a Emily’s List/Union apparatchik. The leopard doesn’t change its spots. Expecting her to be impartial is like expecting this PM to be honest…

  189. Carpe Jugulum

    Looks like the speaker is shutting down any questioning of the slapper.

    On cue Albosleazy acts like a toad.

  190. C.L.

    The Speaker has banned further questions of Gillard on what she knew and when because she has ‘answered’ them outside of the House.

  191. Carpe Jugulum

    Thats enough QT for me, off to a site meeting.

  192. C.L.

    Speaking of the Bunyip, what happened to his breathless announcement on Sunday night of “rumours that a move against Gillard is afoot”? He should stick to his billabong.

    Monty predicted the return of Peter Slipper to the Speaker’s chair.

  193. Pedro the Ignorant

    She’s 10. That strikes me as a bit young to be shooting unsupervised from her own hide. Maybe 15 would be more realistic.

    from DaveF.

    Without checking the precise wording of the relevant State law, allowing a 10 year old unsupervised access to any firearm strikes me as totally irresponsible. Even 15 y.o.s should be accompanied by a suitably experience shooter.

    A good rule of thumb is that when the law allows a person to legally own a firearm, they can then use it without supervision.

  194. Tom

    Brian Leveson is expected to do a Ray Finkelstein on News Limited UK on Thursday and Times editor James Harding has a word with David Cameron about his options:

    …let me offer you an unfashionable set of views. The BBC is excellent, the best in the world at what it does. Rupert Murdoch has been and remains a valiant proprietor of The Times: he saved it from closure; expanded the newsroom and network of foreign correspondents; was the first to commit newspapers to revolutionary new technologies; and has respected the editorial independence of the paper. And Fleet Street is one of the best things about Britain.

    An unbiddable press acts as a check on the powerful and a challenge to our own prejudices. I’d rather have a troublesome, mischievous and, yes, sometimes disgraceful press, than a self-censoring and spotless one. In a free society, newspapers, providing that their facts are accurate, should be able to give a verbal kicking.

  195. There are different rules applying between what a politician says inside and outside the house. Gillard is now saying that she doesn’t have to answer questions asked by the peoples representatives.
    To repeat a line I used several years ago, it’s amazing how this mob have tied up all the avenues for removal – Slipper in thrall to Gillard, the new speaker an Emily’s Lister, and the GG the same.
    Be concerned – very concerned.

  196. SteveC

    He should stick to his billabong.

    I think the problem is he sticks to his bong a little too much.

  197. Gab

    I think the problem is he sticks to his bong a little too much.

    really? You know this how?

  198. Terrible front page story for Gillard in the Daily Telegraph.

  199. Tom

    Dogshit’s Best Friend, you don’t like Bunyip and don’t read his blog. You don’t like the Cat. You’re here as Dogshit’s tag-team troll. For your self-respect, you should fuck off. Of course, you won’t because you’re determined that, as a government sycophant, you will ram your Green gibberish down our throats whether we like it or not. You’re worse than the 17th century Christians reciting their epistles to the Indians in South America.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The Speaker has banned further questions of Gillard on what she knew and when because she has ‘answered’ them outside of the House.

    Can the Speaker make such a judgement about a political issue? For how long? What recourse might the Opposition have to this embargo??

    Gillard must answer yes/no questions in the House. Her failure to do so is an admission of guilt.

    If she lies to the House and is found out, she is gone. She knows that.

  201. DaveF

    Tom:

    You’re worse than the 17th century Christians reciting their epistles to the Indians in South America.

    Gee that came out of nowhere lol

  202. Julian, it’s balanced by the Babe Mathematician who has discovered the formula for the perfect hemline.
    Winston – the firstest with the mostest.

  203. DaveF

    Winston in your search for the perfect skirt length for yourself you missed this breaking news:

    Agriculture minister Ilse Aigner has agreed to change the law to make it illegal for people to “use (animals) for their own sexual activities or sexual acts of third parties” – which also bans the ‘pimping’ of animals to others.

    However the move has aroused the ire of zoophile group ZETA.

    Lobbyist Michael Kiok, who lives with his dog Cassie, told the newspaper there were more than 100,000 zoophiles in Germany.

    Is that the unlikliest name for a zoophile (who knew there was such a word?) spokesman?

  204. m0nty

    The Speaker didn’t ban questions, she ruled two questions and most of another out of order. Once Bishop realigned her questions to be relevant, they continued.

  205. Tom

    DaveF, I, too, went to the Daily Tele website for the Gillard story … but finished up here.

  206. twostix

    The Speaker has banned further questions of Gillard on what she knew and when because she has ‘answered’ them outside of the House.

    I don’t understand.

    What bearing does Gillard have speaking to a couple of reporters have on the parliament asking her questions?

  207. DaveF

    Tom:

    Gee she’s a bit of a socialite, isn’t she.

  208. roger

    I don’t understand.

    What bearing does Gillard have speaking to a couple of reporters have on the parliament asking her questions?

    Did the Speaker ban questioning Gillard because she already answered the questions in a press conference?
    If so, I got an idea: If the Police ever show up in my house, trying to interview me for a crime I committed, I will just instruct them to leave – and explain that I already had a chat about this issue with a couple of my mates.

  209. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Once Bishop realigned her questions to be relevant

    In other words, not the questions Bishop really wanted answered?? Can the Speaker dictate content like this? What Gillard has said to her stenographers is not relevant to Parliament, surely?

    ————-

    King Winston – I must say you have done well in your kingly duties for the members of Lizzie’s List. That skirt length and waist height formula you linked to, which utilises the good old ‘golden mean’ (of which Mother Nature too is so fond) really is the story of the day. I’ve done mine, and it is a beautiful set of numbers.

    See what happens when females really take to maths? We get some particularly useful results. Better than boring old bridges and aerodynamicy things and such, wouldn’tcha say?

  210. candy

    since when did Winston become King?

  211. Jarrah

    “He cannot avoid paying taxes”

    Stop mixing the specific with the general.

    “This is on its face a stupid argument”

    Hey, if you’re changing your mind about the kind of argument you’re using, that’s fine. Means I’ve convinced you it was a bad argument.

    “you cannot choose to pay no taxes.”

    Of course you can. It has consequences, but the choice is open to you.

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Don’t bother with all that PM stuff – I’m the bloody King and you’ll all just do as you’re bloody well told.

    Winston Smith

    26 Nov 12 at 6:56 pm

    This is King Winston’s Unilateral Declaration of Kingship.

    I am currently walking a thin line between a firing squad and hungry crocs for being uppity towards him.

    Candy, you have been warned. If I fall in the line of duty and due to unwarranted political hubris (mea culpa Kingy) then the baton is passed to you.

  213. Jarrah

    “You can choose not to purchase and own a blu-ray player”

    If this is really what is bothering you about the example, when the form of the argument is what matters, then simply change it to food or water or anything you can’t go without and still exist.

  214. Keith

    The Speaker should be up before the privileges committee for going way beyond the jurisdiction of the Speaker. The Speaker can only rule on matters and events that occur WITHIN the House. The Speaker can rightly rule on points of order where an incomplete or irrelevant answer has been provided. They cannot rule on answers given to questions outside the House. That is just ridiculous.

  215. Gab

    Not merely ridiculous, it is corrupt, Keith.

  216. Rudiau

    Rabz,
    from the professor.

    UPDATE: Actually, someone is buying Faifax. FXJ is up to 46 cents and the volume, just 90 minutes into trading, is huge.

  217. Rudiau

    Fairfax

    Current
    Ask 46.5
    Bid 47
    Volume 65.8 Million

  218. Rudiau

    Fairfax (won’t let me link)

    Current
    Ask 46.5
    Bid 47
    Volume 65.8 Million

  219. C.L.

    Gutless Gillard – humiliated by her own cabinet:

    Backbench revolt overturns PM on UN Palestine vote.

    JULIA Gillard’s personal decision to have Australia vote against a United Nations motion to give Palestine observer status has been overturned by a backbench revolt.

    On Monday night the Prime Minister told her Cabinet colleagues she had made the decision that Australia would vote against the motion and expected Cabinet support…

    In the end the Prime Minister imposed her authority as leader and said she expected support. Senator Conroy and Workplace Relations Minister, Bill Shorten, backed her decision.

    But after Cabinet and before this morning’s ALP Caucus meeting of all ministers and backbenchers the Prime Minister succumbed to pressure, dropped her insistence on a vote against Palestine and agreed to Australia abstaining from the vote.

    Many MPs, expecting Ms Gillard to maintain her staunch support for Israel and back a vote against the motion, were taken by surprise by the backflip.

  220. Tom

    Lizzie’s List

    I want to read more about this, Elizabeth. Sinc, is there room for a post about the alternative to Emily’s List?

  221. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc, is there room for a post about the alternative to Emily’s List?

    What’s that?

  222. Sinclair Davidson

    New open forum opened up.

  223. Fleeced

    JULIA Gillard’s personal decision to have Australia vote against a United Nations motion to give Palestine observer status has been overturned by a backbench revolt.

    Honestly, of all the issues for the backbench to revolt over, this is it? The whole ALP is rotten to the core.

  224. JC

    Here’s some shit to chew on.

    Which stock market is up 25% this year?

    Yep you guessed right. Greece.

    Which market is down 10% this year.

    Yep. China.

    So how fucked up is that. The nation owing all the money is up 25 and the nation owning the mullah is down 10.

    Lesson.

    People over discount gloom. Panic is a far more dangerous emotion.

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