Open Forum: November 24,2012

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  1. Gab

    And I didn’t throw them out. They are hanging on a nail.

    I’m surprised you didn’t have them stuffed and mounted for display. :)

  2. Keith

    WS

    Interestingly enough, the troll content of todays O.F. is nearly 40%.

    And giving trolls oxygen would be % 40 too.
    I therefore look forward to reading only %20 of the Cat

    .

    As previously advised, trolls are like stray dogs – you feed them, you own them.

    Another simile : trolls are like seagulls – if one is seen having a feed, soon there’s a flock of them.
    _________________________________________________________

    Something completely different:
    Have a guess what this bloke’s profession is.
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberra-man-faces-court-on-child-porn-charges-20121018-27sex.html

    Hint – it has not been reported in any of the media.

  3. Abu Chowdah

    Hey Rabz – nice Strat. My relic looks a lot like the one in your link.

    Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page might have been better technically, but Hendrix redefined the instrument.

    I agreed with a lot of your post but neither of those two had JH’s technical skills. Page is a very sloppy player, which is part of the charm for some fans.

  4. Abu Chowdah

    Johanna, the guy from that era who is on par as an innovator is Jeff Beck. Check out his recent stuff live at the Crossroads festival on YouTube. Unbelievably great.

  5. Abu Chowdah

    Do a search on his name and nessun dorma.

  6. johanna

    “Page is a very sloppy player, which is part of the charm for some fans.”

    Them’s fightin’ words, Abu!

    I daresay Pagey was sloppy playing live at times, but if you listen to the recordings, including when he plays other instruments like banjo and mandolin, he can be very sharp and precise when he wants to be.

    Nothing like a good argument about guitarists, though. I haven’t had the pleasure of one for years. Used to sit around for hours debating the merits during my misspent (but very enjoyable) youth.

  7. Abu Chowdah

    Page was a session guitarist so yes he could nail and fix stuff in the studio. Great player.

  8. Keith

    Well done Mk50.
    Funny how the media can’t inform the community of this though isn’t it. All that screening and government-approved fidelity can’t be seen for the sham that it is.
    Harrison is not just a High School – it’s one of the new super schools from Primary all the way through to year 10.

  9. johanna

    Abu, thanks for the tip. I have got a lot of time for Beck – still play his old stuff regularly. Blow by Blow is a particular fave.

  10. JC

    It’s the little things like this that made America great.

    Headers on Drudge.

    ‘Gang fight’ at Black Friday sale…
    Man Punched in Face Pulls Gun On Line-Cutting Shopper…
    Shots fired outside WALMART…
    Shoppers smash through door at URBAN OUTFITTERS…
    Customers run over in parking lot…
    Woman busted after throwing merchandise…
    Thousands storm VICTORIA’S SECRET…
    VIDEO: Insane battle over phones…
    Mayhem at Nebraska mall where 9 murdered in 2007…
    Shoplifter tries to mace security guards…
    Men Steal Boy’s Shopping Bag Outside BED, BATH & BEYOND…
    Heckler calls them zombies…

  11. Mk50 of Brisbane

    …it’s one of the new super schools from Primary all the way through to year 10.

    oh, crap. Not good.

  12. Just Another bloody Lawyer

    CL I live on the Italian Espresso coffee bags. It is only a matter of time until Nannny Roxon tries to ban them. They can take my coffee bags from my twitching dead hands.

  13. kae

    to have the Islamic Brotherhood supporting Israel’s position against Hamas and being the guarantor of peace

    Scapula, you’re a fool

  14. I’m unwinding from an evening out on the town with the offspring. We went to see Bjorn Again, and she danced her little socks off. :)

    It also takes me back, because I saw them first when they were starting out at Inflation. Now I’m showing my age!

    It’s not quite been Abba all day, but it’s been fun, and it’s time to unwind.

    No Sepultura here, though. Just the sound of the filter in the goldfish tank.

  15. Scapula

    No, Sadat supported Israel and was shot for it, Mubarak supported Israel and now Morsi supports Israel.

    For a mixture of personal and state reasons, Morsi and the Egyptian state want American support and that requires compromise.

    The papers are full of american and israeli praise for the role he played in the ceasefire and now he wants their support to secure power.

    But you keep on talking about conveyancing and the like – the small things are suited to small minds.

  16. Just Another bloody Lawyer

    Crapulon the actual reason is that the never wanted to take the “Palestinians” which they could have done at any time particularly pre 1967 when they occupied gaza and of course the Sinai.

  17. Scapula

    IMF to bestow 14.5 billion on Morsi (for nothing?):

    On Tuesday, officials from Egypt and the IMF announced a tentative agreement to issue a $4.8 billion IMF loan to the country’s strapped government. Egyptian officials agreed to enact spending and tax reforms designed to reduce the country’s deficit, attract foreign investment and restore the economic growth that vanished after Mubarak’s fall.

    IMF officials said the loan was part of a huge $14.5 billion funding package planned for Egypt. They did not name the donors but they are believed to include the United States, the European Union, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Final approval of the $4.8 billion IMF agreement lies with the group’s board, due to meet on Dec. 19.

    Washington, Brussels and the IMF could set benchmarks for the disbursement of the aid, pegged to democratic reform being implemented in Egypt. But fears of instability in Egypt or Gaza could prompt the international community to turn a blind eye to Mr. Morsi’s actions.

    IHT

  18. Scapula

    keep talk about the association, the conveyancing, the signature, etc – its good lawyer talk for just another bloody lawyer

  19. Scapula

    The IMF loans are dependent on stringent austerity so Egypt must crack down on energy subsidies and the like. An unpopular measure that will require undoubtedly the full powers of the state.

    From the WSJ:

    Rationalizing Egypt’s blanket energy subsidies, which take up about a fifth of the country’s budget outlay, forms a central plank of the country’s economic reform strategy. But dismantling energy subsidies is an extremely sensitive issue throughout the region as witnessed in Amman over the weekend where thousands of protesters took to the streets to express anger at the Jordanian monarchy over rising prices.

    The IMF’s deputy managing director David Lipton said in London last week that price subsidies in the Middle East and Africa cost around $210 billion in 2011, equivalent to around 7% of the region’s GDP.

    “Fiscal reforms are a key pillar under the program. The authorities plan to reduce wasteful expenditures, including by reforming energy subsidies and better targeting them to vulnerable groups,” said Mr. Bauer. “At the same time, the authorities intend to raise revenues through tax reforms, including by increasing the progressivity of income taxation and by broadening the general sales tax to become a full-fledged value added tax.”

    Revenues generated by these measures will be used to boost social spending and infrastructure investment, and to gradually reduce the large budget sector deficit from almost 11% of gross domestic product in the 2011/12 financial year to 8.5% in 2013/14, Mr. Bauer said.

    On top of this, monetary and exchange-rate policies will be geared toward ensuring declining inflation over the medium term, enhancing Egypt’s international competitiveness to stimulate trade and attract capital inflows, and increasing international reserves to protect against external shocks, Mr. Bauer said.

    .

  20. kae

    Woolfe
    It’s called “TurnItIn” and it checks all data bases for matches.
    All journals, all other assignments submitted, etc.
    It gives a weighting about what’s plagiarised and it will tell you where it was taken from (that’s why it’s important to be thorough and put any quotes in quotes and write a proper bibliograph).
    It’s not perfect, and students are interviewed about the integrity issue. Usually if one has copied from another they confess.

  21. kae

    I just wrote a long piece about a cheat in an exam getting done like a dinner and hit enter and it vanished.

    Stuff it.

    Busted with an iSomething in the exam.

    Was full of notes on the course when opened by the head at the integrity interview. That student is done. Will fail the exam and probably fail the course and have a black mark against their name.

    It’s happening more and more, I think becuase lecturers used to keep it to themselves. They aren’t allowed to any more and the integrity issues must be investigated and taken through a process if they are suspected. A lot are just sloppy referencing or sloppy quoting.

  22. Gab

    I just wrote a long piece about a cheat in an exam getting done like a dinner and hit enter and it vanished.

    Kae, if that happens again just hit the back button and it will take you back to the page with your comments still in the yellow reply/comment box. In fact try it now and see if it’s still there.

  23. Infidel tiger

    I must laugh at people who love technically correct guitar players. Their Steve Vai and Joe Satriani albums must kill at parties.

  24. dover_beach

    It’s compulsory for membership of that group. Like taxes.

    But his membership of that group is voluntary, old boy.

  25. kae

    HI Gab
    Thanks, tried and it didn’t work.
    Going horizontal now, planted many plants today and I’m achy-breaky!

  26. dover_beach

    The GOP platform wants to ban contraceptives?

    That’s the impression you would have gotten during the campaign.

    dd, not if you listened to the Republican campaign, but, yes, if you were listening to the Democrats lies about the Republican platform you might have, indeed, been left with that impression.

  27. Tom

    Crappy’s on the slippery slide reading and quoting from the capitalist roader WSJ. Next it’ll be the zionist Australian. You know the Pali masher Murdoch stalks both premises at night barking instructions in Hebrew.

  28. Infidel Tiger

    The Wallabies are an unwatchable rabble.

  29. C.L.

    I switched on to the rugby and immediately the referee called time out to lecture the front rows on scrummaging.

    I switched off the tele.

  30. Infidel Tiger

    Rugby is now like one of those obscure sports played between villages in the UK that appears to have no rules.

    I would rather watch competing villagers roll ball bearings down laneways than torment myself to this turgid game.

    Whistle whistle whistle kick kick whistle whistle kick whistle.

  31. Cold-Hands

    The pitch was unsuitable for rugby as the surface was too loose- scrums were collapsing as the packs lost their footing. However the Wallabies escaped with a bare win (3 pts) after leading 22: 3 at half time and failing to score after the break.

  32. Scapula

    The ‘Pali Masher Murdoch’ has stated that its the public duty of the press to make sure they take their orders from Bibi.

    And announcing that the IMF heartily approves of the Morsi’s version of the Islamic Brotherhood is consistent with that approach.

  33. Chris

    But his membership of that group is voluntary, old boy.

    The tithe is effectively much like an income based club membership fee. Not really a voluntary donation (especially when members believe they won’t be able to fully benefit in the afterlife if they can’t enter a temple) nor a tax. Not unusual amongst religious organisations though!

  34. 2dogs

    By the Theo Theophanus standard, Gillard should have quit by now.

    By the Ian Campbell standard, Gillard should have quit by now.

    By the Peter Reith standard, Gillard should have repaid the stolen money and given a full explanation by now.

    By the Ros Kelly standard, Gillard should have quit by now.

    How far do we have to lower our standards so Gillard keeps her job?

  35. Fleeced

    The tithe is effectively much like an income based club membership fee. Not really a voluntary donation

    What bullshit. You’re basically saying, “the first 10% doesn’t count, because he feels a moral obligation to do it”. How does that diminish the act?

  36. dover_beach

    Since membership is voluntary each Mormon voluntarily accepts paying a tithe so it really is a voluntary donation. It really is that straightforward.

  37. jumpnmcar

    Since membership is voluntary each Mormon voluntarily accepts paying a tithe so it really is a voluntary donation

    Are tithes tax deductible in the US dover ?
    Just askin

  38. jumpnmcar

    op, gotta go, fairways calleth…

  39. Pickles

    Kae. Re the plagiarism in assignments thing. If you are busted as a law student doing such a thing your chances of being admitted at first attempt are next to zero. If you fail to disclose that you were busted then the failure to disclose becomes the issue, compounding the initial dishonesty. If you then argue that you “didn’t cheat” and you were wrongly busted then the “lack of insight” in respect of the initial dishonesty is fatal to your application for admission. Academic Misconduct is a killer and Red Roz Atkinson is a ruthless inquisitor.

  40. dover_beach

    No idea. Probably so, jumpnmcar.

  41. entropy

    Are they tax deductible in Oz? Plenty of religions ask for tithe.

  42. entropy

    I notice that mental midget Ray Hopper has jumped ship from the LNP to the Katter Party.

    I am surprised he didn’t do it straight after the election when he didn’t get a ministerial position. Another benificary (like Slipper) of the grandfathering agreement made during the formation of the LNP.

    Hopper would have been constantly enjoying attempts at seduction by Katter since Newman dumped him as opposition spokesman for agriculture. With good reason as he was incapable of landing a glove on the ALP minister, Tim Mulherin, in a government that hated the bush.

  43. Pickles

    Newmans mob has a long tail. Won’t hurt to cull a few. A fair few in fact.

  44. Splatacrobat

    Rugby is now like one of those obscure sports played between villages in the UK that appears to have no rules.

    I would rather watch competing villagers roll ball bearings down laneways than torment myself to this turgid game.

    Try this IT, I think this is more your style of football.

    Tudor rugby

  45. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Crapulon’s posting cycle is funny. He appears late morning/early PM, then gambols amusingly about the site until about 0300.

    Retired or on the dole?

  46. entropy

    I would also add that if he had jumped to KAP before the election he would have only had the Tara blockies not voting green voting for him and would have lost his seat.

  47. entropy

    Probably too hungover most of the morning, MK.

  48. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Pickles I love the state media hysteria about the few cullees at the moment. There can be little experience of government after two decades of ALP mismanagement (heh – even on the LNP side!) so of course there will be a year of problems and issues where people fail to perform or make errors.

    Provided the mistakes are just that, and not ALP-style corruption/theft/p3ddoph3lia disguised as mistakes – who cares?

  49. I don’t know if anyone reads Piers Ackermans blog regularly, but Saturdays was a cracker.
    It would appear the ICAC hearing in NSW is slowly unearthing the whole Carr/Obeid mess.
    Vastly entertaining in a very repugnant way.

  50. entropy

    Just read the Courier Mail, Hopper reckons there are another eight MPs who will jump ship. The only real possibility would be Vaughan Johnson, who was also passed over for a Ministerial position, but that would be doubtful as he must be close to retirement, and isn’t as brainless as Hopper.

    So, to recap QKAP sitting members:

    Robbie Katter: a nice bloke who is there because his dad wants him to be;
    Shane Knuth, personable, not the brightest spark in a brushfire, and now only the second bluntest knife in the block;
    Ray Hopper: not a nice person, and makes Maltese Terriers look smart.

  51. kae

    Pickles

    If you are busted as a law student doing such a thing your chances of being admitted at first attempt are next to zero. etc.

    That’s where the “young and naive” defence comes in…

  52. Septimus

    jumpnmcar,

    op, gotta go, fairways calleth…

    Enjoy. Great day to hit the fairways :)

  53. entropy

    Fierravanti-Wells told the Senate: “Mr Obeid had bad luck when it came to fires. In July 1983 fire destroyed the offices of his newspaper, El Telegraph, in Garners Avenue, Marrickville. Bad luck was to follow him to his newspaper’s new premises in Marrickville Road, where, in 1992, there was another fire. Mr Obeid also had the misfortune of having two fires at his former home in Concord.”

    She noted Obeid’s time as NSW Minister for Fisheries and Minister for Mineral Resources was wholly during Carr’s premiership. “Mr Carr should have remembered the old saying ‘Where there is smoke there is fire’. In Mr Obeid’s case, there was lots of smoke and many fires,” Fierravanti-Wells told the Senate.

    Just as well Obeid didn’t own any pubs.

  54. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hinderaker Preshizzle(Paco™) Hussein Odumbugger the Incompetent’s Magical Middle East Mess:

    I am so confused! When anti-Mubarak demonstrators gathered in Tahrir Square and were met with tear gas, they represented the Arab Spring. So what do these anti-Morsi demonstrators represent? Are they Arab Spring too? Or Arab Autumn? Or maybe the seasonal analogies are no longer operative. . . .

    But never mind that–I am still really, really confused! Mubarak was our friend, but a bad guy. So he had to go, and Obama denounced him and helped force him out. Morsi is our enemy, and also is a bad guy. So Obama thinks he’s A-OK, and helped Morsi take power. That’s called “smart diplomacy.” You probably wouldn’t understand.

    Other things are confusing, too. Did Obama know that Morsi was about to claim dictatorial powers when he made Morsi the “hero” of the Israel-Gaza cease fire? If so, did he mind? If Obama didn’t know–which seems more likely–does he now think that Morsi double-crossed him by capitalizing on his faux diplomatic mission to proclaim himself a dictator? Or is that one more thing that is A-OK with Obama? If Obama doesn’t like the fact that Morsi has cut “Arab Spring” democracy off at the knees, does he intend to do anything about it? Or, when bad things happen, is it “smart diplomacy” to do nothing and pretend you don’t mind?

    RTWT

  55. Sinclair Davidson

    Having received several emails of complaint Scapula won’t be rejoining the discussion.

  56. C.L.

    The Gillard government death toll has climbed by another 33 people.

  57. Having received several emails of complaint Scapula won’t be rejoining the discussion.

    Another fine example Libertarianism in practice?

  58. Jarrah

    “But his membership of that group is voluntary, old boy.”

    Same with your citizenship.

  59. kae

    Is Meet the Press worth watching today? Anyone see it?
    I need to go to the hardware/produce store and get some stuff…

  60. Gab

    Kae, please check your email.

  61. Jarrah

    “It wasn’t baseless, it was an opinion formed from such facts as listed above.”

    It was utterly baseless, it doesn’t even pass the laugh test.

    Your entire claim is that certain political positions can only be held by those not thinking rationally, and that most women suffer from this defect. You of course couldn’t provide ‘facts’ to support this ludicrous argument, only circular reasoning. Women merely identifying their health as an important electoral issue was enough for you to dismiss tens of millions of them as irrational. It is apparently impossible for you to comprehend that people might just arrive at political views different to yours through logic and experience. Which is both bigoted and sad.

  62. kae

    Note for Nanny Roxon – denial is not a river in Egypt.

  63. lotocoti

    Mr Obeid had bad luck when it came to fires.

    Every good* business should have two fires and a bankruptcy.
    *IYKWIMAITYD
    In other news, the other week I found a copy of the book which led me to doing Middle Eastern history at university.
    It’s really strange reading a forty year old examination of 1948 and seeing Muslim Brotherhood and jihad sprinkled through the text.
    It’s depressing to be reminded how little Arab political rhetoric has matured since Partition.

  64. kae

    Okay, Gab. That’s spooky.

  65. Gab

    The day before the election:

    Latest Poll Shows Women’s Vote Will Deliver Obama Victory

    It’s no surprise to me that female swing voters are going to vote Obama—he made their core issues the most vocal issues of his entire campaign. Abortion was named the “single most important issue for women in this election” by female voters in 12 key swing states in an October Gallup poll and Democrats have been serving up women’s issues including abortion, access to contraception and healthcare for nearly a year, hammering home a Republican “war on women” that threatens their right to decision-making over their own bodies.

    “How many women count on Planned Parenthood,” Cutter asked Matthews before repeating Mitt Romney’s debate statement on the publicly an privately funded women’s health clinic. According to Romney’s campaign website, “As president, [Romney] will end federal funding for abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood.” The Presidential candidate has gone on the record saying he would appoint court justices to repeal Roe v. Wade.

    If the votes of women in swing states are the most critical votes, and if abortion rights are the most critical issues of those voters, the Obama camp has been right to speak directly to them, and, in keeping with Democratic strategic tradition, appealing to them as women. From abortion rights to access to healthcare to equal pay for equal works, Obama has all but guaranteed the women’s vote in these key states by telling female voters precisely what they want to hear.

    Abortion more important than jobs. Contraception more important than the economy.

  66. Having received several emails of complaint Scapula won’t be rejoining the discussion

    Another fine example of Libertarianism totalitarianism on practice…..

  67. Carpe Jugulum

    On a lighter note, did you know that Steve Perry (Aerosmith Guitarist) is an avid shooter.

    He’s been on the last few episodes of Sons of Guns, interesting guy.

  68. Alice

    Gab well it actually could be linked. If people are not in a job, the last thing they want is unwanted and which women amongst us dont want equal pay (which we still dont have) if both Mum and Dad have to work. Unequal pay rips the whole family off (Mum and Dad) if we look at nuclear families and what about the growing trend of singles living alone and never marrying. If I was a woman like that Id want equal pay as well – and we still dont have it decades after legislation. Im surprised the conservati

    ves dont pick up on more female friendly policies. It could actually help the economy. I bet a lot of women with kids have a high average propensity to spend on their kids, if they have the money.

  69. Alice

    sorry – should say unwanted kids above

  70. candy

    Putting women’s health and abortion/contraception issues above issues of job security does seem a little odd to me. Drugs/street crime seems more worrying too than one’s personal contraception rights etc.

    perhaps our health system is just so much better than America, however.

  71. Alice

    I often think women are better managers of the family finances as well – they badger their kids into studying and getting good jobs, they badger their husbands into working harder and making good investments etc
    Why wouldnt female friendly policies be good for the economy?? (or is this a politically incorrect comment and I open a bunfight at this point?)

  72. Alice

    Candy – not if you read todays papers it isnt (health system)

  73. Rudiau

    Ray Hopper: not a nice person, and makes Maltese Terriers look smart.

    entropy,
    Emma needs to see you.
    Thats my girl. :)

  74. C.L.

    Just repeating that the Gillard government’s death toll is now 1033.

  75. dover_beach

    Same with your citizenship.

    I don’t need to move to not pay a tithe. He voluntarily remains a member and voluntarily pays the tithe. To say that he unwillingly pays the tithe would be the same as arguing that vegans unwilling refrain from animal products.

  76. nic

    On a lighter note, did you know that Steve Perry (Aerosmith Guitarist) is an avid shooter.

    I thought he was an ‘axe man’ :)

  77. Jarrah

    “He voluntarily remains a member and voluntarily pays the tithe.”

    Same as you voluntarily remain a citizen and voluntarily pay tax.

  78. nic

    Just as well Obeid didn’t own any pubs.

    Just a bit of ‘lebanese lightning’

  79. John Mc

    Alice, what does equal pay mean? If a woman can do the same job and gets the same remuneration haven’t we achieved equal pay?

  80. John Mc

    Jarah, you’re full of crap. If you don’t like your Church you leave it tomorrow. If I don’t like citizenship I start a five year program to relocate and even then the tax office pursues me for two years after I leave, and forces me to pay tax on investments I hold even if I don’t sell them.

    Furthermore, by definition, the church is supposed to be a take it or leave it proposition that you join if you subscribe to their philosophy. By definition, the government is supposed to mold itself into a condition that we can all more or less agree upon, not where one group tries to force their will on the other.

  81. DaveF

    “The terms ‘two fat fingers’ or ‘two fat ladies’, and arguably the most politically incorrect, ‘69 dinner for two’, are no longer used,” he said.

    I call bullshit on this. My old Mum goes to bingo about 4 times a week and I’ve come along a couple of times and never heard anything with 69. Two fat ladies, sure, but never 69.

  82. Jarrah

    “If I don’t like citizenship I start a five year program to relocate and even then the tax office pursues me for two years after I leave, and forces me to pay tax on investments I hold even if I don’t sell them.”

    I never said it was easy, but practical difficulties doesn’t mean your citizenship is involuntary.

    Or does it? This is an interesting question. Coercion is a difficult topic.

    “By definition, the government is supposed to mold itself into a condition that we can all more or less agree upon, not where one group tries to force their will on the other.”

    True. What we’ve more or less agreed upon is that taxes are necessary to some degree. Where most of the disagreement arises is the scale and targets of taxation.

  83. Carpe Jugulum

    Just repeating that the Gillard government’s death toll is now 1033.

    And the ALPBC will be shouting for this government to be sacked or held to account any second now………………………….any second.

  84. Carpe Jugulum

    I thought he was an ‘axe man’

    *groan* very punny Nic ;)

  85. DaveF

    Jarrah apparently in Germany there is a Catholic tax. If you tick the box the tax man collects an extra amount, I think possibly 10%, which is then passed on to the church.

    If you don’t pay you are restricted in what the Priest can do for you.

  86. DaveF

    Here we are:

    Alarmed by a wave of dissenting Catholics quitting the faith, the bishops issued a decree on Thursday declaring such defection “a serious lapse” and listed a wide range of church activities from which they must be excluded.

    Germans officially registered as Catholics, Protestants or Jews pay a religious tax of 8 or 9 percent of their annual tax bill. They can avoid this by declaring to their local tax office that they are leaving their faith community.

    Looks like their tithe isn’t tax deductible….

  87. Septimus

    C.L.

    Just repeating that the Gillard government’s death toll is now 1033.

    Mass murder comes so easily to the left. Hardly worth a mention really.

  88. Septimus

    69 dinner for two

    ,

    ‘Breakfast for two’ has always been my understanding. ;)

  89. C.L.

    1033 people are dead because Julia Gillard hates John Howard.

    Sociopathic lack of empathy.

  90. entropy

    That’s appalling DaveF. But then the separation of church and state is a thing that seems important to the colonies, not so much everywhere else.

  91. Tom

    You couldn’t make this up - from today’s London Sunday Times:

    POLICE are investigating a think tank set up by Gordon Brown to improve the behaviour of bankers over claims that one of its managers has embezzled a large sum of cash.

    The International Centre for Financial Regulation (ICFR) suspended one of its managers last week after money was found to be missing from its bank accounts.

    Millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money had been pumped into the think tank, launched by Brown in 2007 to promote Britain’s expertise in financial regulation globally. Northern Rock collapsed four months later, making a mockery of Brown’s “light-touch” regime.

    The former prime minister is no longer involved in it but Lord Currie of Marylebone, an adviser to the Leveson inquiry on press standards which will report on Thursday, is chairman.

    The ICFR has warned it may have to close unless the cash is recovered. Its latest accounts show that it had £1.8m of cash in the bank.

    Note the UK’s Finkelstein attack on press freedom is due this week. Levenson says he will make a statement but won’t take questions when he releases his report on Thursday. He will not take questions until he appears at a forum hosted by Melbourne University in Australia in December. Words fail. Piece of work.

  92. C.L.

    POLICE are investigating a think tank set up by Gordon Brown to improve the behaviour of bankers over claims that one of its managers has embezzled a large sum of cash.

    LOL. Another triumph for the one-eyed Scottish idiot.

  93. Septimus

    DaveF,

    69 – ‘Breakfast for Two’ = P&O Cruises Bingo.

    Also 68 = ‘Nearly There’

    But that was 1996. Never cruised with them again, and never will cruise with them again.

  94. C.L.

    Journalist finally tracks down Julia Gillard’s race riot organiser – deals with him harshly…

    … as Bunyip reports.

  95. Podsnap

    CL

    Gotta love this tweet from ‘the journalist’ (Samantha Maiden) in question (from Bunyip) -

    Wish to report last night around midnight I urged @athodges to put parmesan rind in his minestrone soup. It worked. Just sayin.

    Do your fucking job you hatchet faced bint….

    Just sayin’

  96. Oh come on

    One of the strengths of the TEA party is it is a decentralised movement with no strong national coordination. This makes it durable and resistent to demagogues as well as GOP Establishment infiltration.

    However, it also means that chapters can get taken over by people holding agendas that are at odds with the original TEA Party ideals. (Hint: TEA = Taxed Enough Already. That’s it.) The TEA party people who overthrew Lugar and installed Mourdock as the GOP senate candidate for Indiana, for example, hailed from a chapter that had been taken over by social conservatives who no doubt were electrified to hear Mourdock’s opinions on abortion in the case of rape. The fact that his fringe views are completely lost on the vast majority of Americans must have caused horror to other TEA Partiers in other parts of the country who continue to adhere to the original message of fiscal responsibility that the first TEA Partiers put out there, and knew that their organisation – one which is completely different in terms of goals to the chapter which installed Mourdock – would nevertheless be lumped together in one large homogenous bloc; the socially conservative TEA Party, when its primarily concerned with fiscal conservatism. Remember, Taxed Enough Already. Unfortunately, some elements of the TEA Party have put social conservatism above fiscal conservatism, but these parts of the movement suffered the most in 2012, and are ripe for a well-deserved purging, which really can’t happen too soon.

    That being said, the TEA Party didn’t come out of 2012 well – even the fiscal conservative elements of the organisation. Perhaps this is best exemplified by Allen West’s defeat, who no doubt has a bright future ahead of him; just not this cycle.

    However, this is far from the end for the TEA party. If they can drive out the social conservatives – or at the very least get them (remembering that these people are often fiscal conservatives as well) to realise the TEA Party is not the vehicle for them to forward their SoCon agenda, and to shut up about it, then the TEA Party is set for a major comeback. Hopefully the task of banishing the social conservative agenda from that of the TEA Party at large will be made easier by the humbling the SoCons received in 2012.

    The Federal government is about to go supernova in terms of spending, and the authentic TEA Party message of fiscal responsibility will be more relevant than ever in Obama’s second term.

  97. DaveF

    OK Sep, taken on board. Mum must go to staid ones.

    Good prizes in this area, $50 sometimes. Usually $20 Woolies vouchers as well. She rarely uses cash at the supermarket.

  98. dover_beach

    Same as you voluntarily remain a citizen and voluntarily pay tax.

    Jarrah, you are being ridiculous. I cannot escape paying tax (I can pay tax in either Australia, the United States, and so on, but there is not a place I can go that I would not pay tax). I could escape from paying a tithe simply by renouncing my membership of that religious organisation. Notice the difference? It is the difference between civil association and voluntary association.

  99. Abortion more important than jobs. Contraception more important than the economy.

    You were right, Gab. Women do think with their ovaries.

    LOL

  100. dover_beach

    Oh come on, the amusing thing about this fallacious fiscal vs. social conservative dichotomy is that it would have meant nothing to those women, for instance, that voted Dem three weeks ago. They would have been similarly against Brown or West as against Moudock. But, yes, try winning in 2016 by throwing social conservatives under a bus. That will work a treat for the Dems.

  101. Gab

    Julian “paed0s in speedos” Burnside Twitter feed is very instructive. He blames Abbott and Morrison for the deaths at sea and gillard’s ismantling of Howard’s Pacific Solution is apparently Abbott’s fault.

  102. Oh come on

    Mourdock and Akin brought the issue to the forefront and added credibility to the otherwise absurd War on Women narrative. They played right into Axelrod’s hands. Two magnificent own-goals. Social conservative issues are important to many in the GOP, however it is electoral suicide for the GOP to (or allow the Dems to) position these front and centre of the campaign. Or even be prominent parts of a GOP platform. Social conservative issues need to be highlighted in the appropriate constituencies whilst being played down in the general election, where the independent vote has no truck for such concerns. This is basically what Romney did, but he was white-anted by zealots within his own party who buttressed the perfidious scare campaign the Dems had been running against Romney by getting drawn into expounding upon their fringe positions on abortion and rape. Like a moth to the flame, those buffoons.

    Poor Romney. I don’t think the guy was the wrong candidate for 2012. I don’t think he ran a bad campaign. In fact, I think he ran a fine campaign and had the potential to be a great President.

  103. Rabz

    32 degrees here in Zombie Parrotville.

    Aussies crunching the yaapies in the Cricket.

    Time for a swim…

  104. C.L.

    Without the so-called social conservatives, the Tea Party will quickly become a wacko Ron Paul rump. I really am tired of pointing out that America’s economic crisis is linked inextricably to a moral – if you like, social – crisis. Balooning welfarism driven by deadbeat parents, by an ‘entitlement’ culture promoted by Planned Parenthood, by a bankrolled official racialism, by the sidelining of the familial/the private/the individualist by the statist/the public and the Orwellian collectivist.

    Whenever the Republicans do badly, the self-loathing weaklings come out of the woodwork mouthing the very same propaganda of the left. To wit, ‘if only we surrender and become a one party state, maybe our party will be given a go eventually.’

    Obama’s win is close to meaningless culturally and psephologically. Presidents almost always get a second term. This one was protected by the media and attracted a disproportionate level of support from blacks and browns. Does anyone really believe the same free stuff agenda would have won it for a wannable President Joe Biden against Mitt Romney?

    Mourdock and Akin

    I doubt 90 percent of voters would even knew their names.

    They’re great fall guys, though, for the anti ‘social policy’ zealots who got their dream candidate – who then proceeded to lose.

  105. Oh come on

    90% of voters may not have known their names, but many would have known them as ‘those crazy Republicans who think rape victims should go to term with their babies which they can apparently self abort’

    I don’t have time to debate this now, however it is disheartening that the SoCons are learning all the wrong lessons from 2012, however. The GOP doesn’t need a new coalition. It had a fine candidate (no, he wasn’t my dream candidate but he became a very good one as the campaign progressed). Simple fact is that no Sandy, no Akin, no Mourdock and we’d be talking about President Elect Romney.

  106. Oh come on

    Without the so-called social conservatives, the Tea Party will quickly become a wacko Ron Paul rump.

    Incidentally, this is mind-bogglingly idiotic, and demonstrably wrong.

  107. jumpnmcar

    Modern day parenting.
    How thing change.
    Probably a form of child abuse though.

  108. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Numbers:

    Another fine example of Libertarianism totalitarianism on practice…..

    Listen you brainless idiot, and I’ll use short words so even dum-as-a-box-o-rocks you can understand.

    1. This blog is the owner’s private property.

    2. We are guests here.

    3. The owner of this private property has a very few rules about behaviour.

    4. Follow them and it’s almost impossible to get banned.

    I’ll add that left wing blogs are supremely intolerant of the slightest opinion not in lockstep with their own, and ban at the first whisper of a difference of view.

    So dry your eyes, princess, and act in accordance with the (very liberal) rules.

  109. Oh come on

    I’ve said on a number of occasions that if the Obamas try to re-create Camelot and have another baby girl, they’d be justifiably paying humble tribute to their great benefactors by naming the girl Sandy Akin Mourdock Obama.

    Got a nice ring about it, really.

  110. Tom

    Mark, you just have to have sufficient faith in human nature that the kids we unwittingly and involuntarily put under his care are sitting back now and laughing: “Remember that mad old prick who used to give us his pathetic war stories about the chow line in Vietnam and preach all that communist crap about Marx and Engels? Bet he’s one of those leftwing nutjobs making an arsehole of himself on the internet. Pity the Viet Cong didn’t get him.”

  111. blogstrop

    Sinc, could the text of those emails that precipitated the excommunication of Scapula be issued as a pro forma or handy template? The doomlord moves in mysterious ways, to be sure. But thanks for that. To quote from The Mikado – “I have a little list, there’ll none of them be missed”.

  112. Chris

    What bullshit. You’re basically saying, “the first 10% doesn’t count, because he feels a moral obligation to do it”. How does that diminish the act?

    It’s more than a moral obligation. Mormon’s actually get something in return for their tithe – the ability to enter a temple which they believe is very important to their afterlife.

    I’ve no idea how the various taxation offices would treat it, but if you get something in return for a donation to a charity (say a charity raising dinner), the amount that would be tax deductible is generally reduced by the value of what you get in return (eg the food that you get served). I wonder what the taxation office values eternal life in heaven as :-)

  113. blogstrop

    Could have sworn I’d posted a comment on this while preparing dinner. But anyway:

    Having received several emails of complaint Scapula won’t be rejoining the discussion.

    Great. I am hoping for a proforma or template of those emails to be issued for future use.

  114. blogstrop

    That one appeared, previous ones didn’t.

  115. Alice

    John McC asks

    Alice, what does equal pay mean? If a woman can do the same job and gets the same remuneration haven’t we achieved equal pay?

    DOH NO – Women have beendoing the same job and have getting jipped on pay and are still getting jipped.

    What dont you understand about that?. The stats are all there.

  116. Alice

    Pr should I have replied to John McC – yes the sandpit is a suitable plave to stick my head into so I will just do that and pretend gender pay inequality doesnt exist.

    You go first John McC. You stick your head in the sand and then come up brain damaged and annouce cheerily “all is equal in pay between males and females now oin 2012″ (sing a little song iof you like just to make it super cheery news).

    Bullshit and you know it.

  117. Rabz

    Pity the Viet Cong didn’t get him.

    Yes, isn’t it.

  118. H B Bear

    Against my better judgement I had a look at a couple of chunks of Ol’ Leathery’s Tony Abbott hour on the interweb. With Our Fran, La Tingle and some nobody from Teh Worst over here in WA things were not looking promising.

    After Ol’ Leathery has a bit of a chuckle when Scott Morrison points out that the 30,000 unauthorised boat arrivals now outnumber the people of Alice Springs, Our Fran launches into a stream of wrong-headedness that has to be seen to be believed. She is truly hopeless.

  119. Jarrah

    “there is not a place I can go that I would not pay tax”

    That is not Australia’s fault. It’s irrelevant to the question of voluntariness.

    “Notice the difference?”

    When it comes to voluntariness, there is no difference. Zero. No-one is forcing you to pay Australian taxes. You can leave any time.

  120. JC

    How to defund the American left. Exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time.

    http://mangans.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/defunding-left.html

  121. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Gab, kae

    Check your email.

  122. kae

    Moochers grassyarse, Mk50.

    Do you think we’ll ever hear of Gillard referred to as disgraced former Prime Minister?

  123. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hmm. Kae, I do prefer the term ‘debased’… or p’raps ‘debauched’.

    Decisions, decisions!

  124. SteveC

    Pity the Viet Cong didn’t get him.

    Charming. You really scrape the bottom of the barrel Tom.

  125. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Septimus.

    The Piano Guys.

    They are good.

  126. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Oh, and I have listened to all of Sepultura’s albums this weekend.

    I think my eardrums have melted.

  127. Infidel tiger

    So it turns out that family of lunatic rangas who kidnapped the kids from their Italian dad were aided and abetted by the Australian Govt.

  128. JC

    So it turns out that family of lunatic rangas who kidnapped the kids from their Italian dad were aided and abetted by the Australian Govt.

    Did you see the Mother and the kid’s great Grandma? They both deserve the guillotine.

    What I think happened was that the wife continually called the embassy and bullshitted them that she and the kids were being abused violently. Consequently they acted to help her. I can see that happening. However it turns out that the story she was putting out was all crap.

  129. C.L.

    …they’d be justifiably paying humble tribute to their great benefactors by naming the girl Sandy Akin Mourdock Obama.

    No, they should name her Media Free Stuff because that encapsulates why he won.

  130. DaveF

    What did Scapula do?

    He usually isn’t particularly rude.

  131. DaveF

    gee thats two comments didn’t appear. Have I been blocked as well?

  132. Septimus

    Mk50,

    These Piano Guys? Yes, very good.

    Well done with Sepultura . . . oh, sorry . . . WELL DONE WITH SEPULTURA :)

    I have been listening to KITARO – An Enchanted Evening, the only CD of his that I have.

  133. twostix

    What dont you understand about that?. The stats are all there.

    Yeah, just yesterday I was looking at Seek and couldn’t help but note all the ads stating that females would be paid less than men.

    Don’t even get me started on all the ads telling married women not to apply, loads of them!

    Oh wait, no, that was 1957 and this is 2012.

  134. twostix

    When it comes to voluntariness, there is no difference. Zero. No-one is forcing you to pay Australian taxes. You can leave any time.

    Taxes are “voluntary”.

    Zany shit.

  135. .

    I have always suspected that Jarrah is a left wing troll and subversive but now I know for sure.

  136. Chris

    What I think happened was that the wife continually called the embassy and bullshitted them that she and the kids were being abused violently. Consequently they acted to help her. I can see that happening. However it turns out that the story she was putting out was all crap.

    Yea I didn’t find the mother and her family at all believable. The embassy officials probably thought they were doing the right thing and had good intents. I wonder if they have formal procedures that they are meant to be following in these cases? If it was a country that was well known for corruption and a very poor record of human rights then I could understand it. But in Italy they should have been able to do a lot more confirmation themselves.

  137. Jarrah

    “Taxes are “voluntary”. Zany shit.”

    Do you have an actual argument, twostix, or is this just more of your usual trolling and thread derailing?

  138. Jarrah

    “I have always suspected that Jarrah is a left wing troll and subversive but now I know for sure.”

    Bullshit. You continually argue that the government should tax approximately 10% of GDP. By your logic, you’re a left-wing troll and subversive.

  139. Gab

    thread derailing?

    How does one derail an open forum?

  140. C.L.

    Stephen Smith to announce ADF rape inquiry.

    That’s odd.

    After all, these mostly protestant poobahs were all free to marry.

    Good news for the abusers too – most will get a free pass courtesy of the ALP:

    Mr Smith told The Australian then that the royal commission or judicial inquiry would be limited to the most serious of the more than 700 allegations in the DLA Piper report and would not cover the full 60 years of allegations because of problems in gathering evidence.

  141. Jarrah

    “How does one derail an open forum?”

    Ask the Doomlord. Apparently some people went running to him and got someone banned. You can only get banned for thread derailing. Or at least, that used to be the rule. Who knows?

  142. johanna

    “The embassy officials probably thought they were doing the right thing and had good intents. I wonder if they have formal procedures that they are meant to be following in these cases? If it was a country that was well known for corruption and a very poor record of human rights then I could understand it. But in Italy they should have been able to do a lot more confirmation themselves.”

    Embassy officials cannot, and should not, get involved in making judgements on international family law matters. They are not qualified, don’t have the resources or jurisdiction, and have better things to do.

  143. dover_beach

    That is not Australia’s fault. It’s irrelevant to the question of voluntariness.

    I’m not concerned about “Australian” taxes; I’m concerned about states and taxes. I cannot be a member of any state and not pay taxes. However, I can be a member of a church and not pay a tithe. If I am voluntarily a member of a church that includes the payment of a tithe I have volunteered to pay a tithe. Notice the difference?

    States (or civil associations) are compulsory associations; voluntary associations like sporting clubs, churches, etc. are not. I cannot avoid membership of a state, but I can avoid membership of all voluntary associations. Again, notice the difference?

  144. dover_beach

    Oh come on, your analysis is tendentious. The simple fact is the women, for instance, that voted Democrat voted for Obamacare’s inclusion of abortion and birth control, among other things. Even without Akin’s and Mourdoch’s comments, which were mischaracterized by much of the media and the Dems, they would have voted Dem because fiscal conservativism, not only social conservatism, threatened the above and other benefits, etc. used by the Dems to secure their continued support.

    The other and more important point being that the independents you believe you might attract by throwing social conservatives under a bus are significantly smaller than the actual rump of the party that are themselves socially conservative, so what you propose seems to be a losing strategy.

  145. Keith

    You can leave any time.

    And pay the departure tax.

  146. Blogstrop

    It’s a reliefe to see that banning is possible, and there may as well be more than one rule relating to it. Continuous empty brained sloganeering as practised by the llatest not-so-dear departed was cause enough. I tend to agree that hammygar is a joke, but scapula had no redeeming qualities, nor does xevram or numbers.
    The Steves seem to provide some with amusement, although the briisbane one has a whiff of the hannibals about him. Jarrah lives in a little parallel universe of his own, with way too little else to do.

  147. .

    Bullshit. You continually argue that the government should tax approximately 10% of GDP. By your logic, you’re a left-wing troll and subversive.

    15%

    Stop making things up.

  148. .

    You continually argue that the government should tax approximately 10% of GDP. By your logic, you’re a left-wing troll and subversive.

    Maybe you can explain how that is a corollary to your absurd, subversive and extreme left wing idea that “taxes are voluntary”.

  149. Rabz

    Brilliant – I’ve just found this quote by bruce bloody wilson about former flame, the lardarse:

    “(She) knew absolutely, categorically nothing”

    No changes there, brucie.

  150. Rabz

    From Bolt:

    Black’s tip: Kevin Rudd now has about 40 votes in Caucus, Shorten is building up his own numbers – about 12 – and the maths then becomes obvious. He says Gillard will not last to the election.

    Hmmm, the last week of parliament sitting for the year.

    Assassination Season, as The Mole™ calls it.

  151. m0nty

    Obama’s win is close to meaningless culturally and psephologically.

    LOL, you keep tell yourself that Lad.

  152. C.L.

    Monty is saying that Joe Biden would have beaten Romney with the same free stuff policies.

    LOL.

  153. C.L.

    Money first…

    Labor decides to cover up most instances of child sexual abuse:

    The Government has decided not to set up a royal commission into wide-ranging claims of abuse within the Australian Defence Force…

  154. SteveC

    most instances” CL? Most of the cases reported by Piper DLA were of adults not children. How do you determine that most (i.e. defintely more than half) of child sexual abuse in institutions/organistions (i.e. not in the home, individuals etc) was in the ADF?

  155. m0nty

    Monty is saying that Joe Biden would have beaten Romney with the same free stuff policies.

    LOL.

    That wasn’t what I was saying, CL. Why do you lie so frequently? Do you even know what the truth looks like any more?

  156. C.L.

    Access to children.

    DLA Piper says it received hundreds of “plausible” allegations of abuse, some dating back decades.

    Its report, which has been released by the Government, says many alleged victims never reported the abuse because of concerns they would not be believed, especially if the abuse was at the hands of a superior officer.

    It goes on to say that it is a well-known fact that “some people, who wished to have sexual access to boys, sought out positions in orphanages, schools, churches and similar institutions where they could have power over, and access to, children”.

    “There was no reason to think that such people would not have targeted relevant parts of the ADF,” the report states.

    Through the 1950s and 1960s, boys as young as 13 were recruited to the Navy.

    Up until the early 1980s, 15-year-old boys were recruited into all three service areas.

    Labor will overlook most of these cases and has strictly capped compensation at $50,000 – even for the boy raped with a broom handle.

    Sociopathic lack of empathy.

    DLA Piper also concluded that the protestant-overseen abuse extended far back beyong the 1950s but there weren’t enough records to quantify the historical problem.

  157. C.L.

    Why do you lie so frequently? Do you even know what the truth looks like any more?

    Monty, your nerves are frayed from your now habitual online mania.

    Take a shower and have something to eat.

  158. protestant-overseen abuse

    You are really sounding desperate and deranged in the handwaving stakes, CL.

  159. m0nty

    Gillard presser at 1pm, followed by HoR question time at 2pm. Newspoll showing 51-49 to the Coalition. Big day.

  160. If he is to be believed (and he isn’t), CL thinks that anyone who tells him that it is obvious he is a desperately dishonest debater is having a nervous breakdown.

    It’s his defence mechanism.

    Or more likely, just part of his bullshit arsenal.

  161. C.L.

    Labor censors full protestant-overseen horror:

    The report, obtained by the ABC, was commissioned after the Defence Force Skype scandal unleashed a deluge of complaints dating back more than half a century.

    Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper – from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13.

    When the review was released in March this year it was heavily censored, with only 10 pages of the executive summary made public, but the ABC’s 7.30 program has obtained the full executive summary.

    While the edited version had a single line which noted the earliest reported abuse was in 1951 on a 13-year-old boy, the full story is much more disturbing and shows abuse of children was widespread.

    “It is certain that many boys were subjected to serious sexual and physical assault and other serious abuse while they were in the ADF from the 1950s through to the 1970s – and possibly into the 1980s,” the report said.

    Refusal to cooperate – Labor respects the ADF seal:

    But the report’s authors have criticised the way Defence has dealt with the latest inquiry, saying obtaining information from the ADF was “particularly problematic”.

    They say the review team received a vast quantity of material – “over a metre-high stack” – in the days and weeks after the internal deadline for documents.

    The report says the material was too voluminous and too late for it all to be considered.

  162. C.L.

    desperate and deranged

    Steve today:

    CL… CL… CL… CL… CL… CL…

  163. Shorter CL: pointing out my crap arguments is a sign of obsession with me. I should be allowed to make as many crap arguments as I like with no comment, other than support.

  164. Jarrah

    “I’m not concerned about “Australian” taxes; I’m concerned about states and taxes.”

    Then we’re arguing about different things. The specific and particular tax that Romney pays to his church is identical in voluntariness to the tax you pay the Australian governments.

  165. Keith

    Does Thommo of brothelgate get a vote in Caucus for the next leadership ballot ? He’s supposedly independent now. Can someone clarify ?

  166. C.L.

    Question for lefties: do you support strictly limiting compensation for any proven victims of sexual abuse in Catholic institutions?

  167. candy

    “Gillard presser at 1pm, followed by HoR question time at 2pm. Newspoll showing 51-49 to the Coalition. Big day.”

    Monty do you think she is going to sue someone? I can’t see the need for another press conference, especially with the polls even.

    what do you think? seems surprising?

  168. Keith

    candy,
    Gillard might be mustering up her last shred of honour and announcing her resignation. Yes I am probably fantasizing.
    More likely it will be announce another unfunded grandiose policy, to show how she is getting on with the business of governing, while that naughty Abbott keeps bothering her with questions she doesn’t want to answer.

  169. candy

    ” Yes I am probably fantasizing.”

    Probably about the ADF enquiry then. I thought she said she wouldn’t talk about the AWU scandal ever again.

  170. Fleeced

    No, it will just be more denials of wrongdoing and a healthy dose of AbbottAbbottAbbott. She’ll frame the whole thing as part of Abbot’s “relentless negativity” and an example of his “antagonistic misogyny”. She’s doing this before QT in an attempt to frame what will be a lively Question Time under her own terms… a compliant media will likely run with that interpretation.

  171. Infidel Tiger

    Should ASIC be investigating Veuve Cliquot?

    This Fairfax article outlines the brands plan to limit aggressive pricing and restrict parallel importing.

  172. Chris

    Question for lefties: do you support strictly limiting compensation for any proven victims of sexual abuse in Catholic institutions?

    That is not unusual for compensation schemes where there are large numbers of victims. Victims don’t have to go through the courts and having to prove in a court events which happened a very long time ago in exchange for set compensation payments. Its been used in the past where abuse has occurred a long time ago, though I’d say the 50,000 is way too low. The abuse of children by the defence force would qualify for inquiry by the RC too.

    Refusal to cooperate – Labor respects the ADF seal:

    Refusal to co-operate reflects very badly on the defence force. But at least they gave too much information, rather than not enough so follow up enquiries could still use that information if it needed to. I’d much rather the Catholic church release too much information that can at least be analyzed later than refuse to release information or refused to testify.

  173. steve from brisbane

    I take it that with daylight saving, we are only 40 minutes from the Gillard press conference.

    It will be of interest…

  174. Fleeced

    I’m going to have lunch instead of watch… hopefully I don’t miss anything exciting.

  175. DaveF

    Is Gillard doing a presser?

    This should be fun.

    What time is it?

  176. Fleeced

    1PM daylight savings time (ie, in 13 minutes)

  177. Rabz

    It will be of interest …

    … to masochists.

    There is no way I’m going to subject myself that fat corrupt dragon and her hideous grating nasal monodrone.

  178. Rousie

    First question should be:
    Are you using this press conference to stonewall the opposition’s questions in parliament today?

    It is no longer clever when everyone knows that’s what you’re doing.

  179. DaveF

    Thanks Fleeced.

    I’ll try to track down a radio station thats running it.

    I wonder if Hedley Thomas hopped on a plane to make it in time? I think he’s based in Brissy.

  180. DaveF

    Education? Asian Century? NDIS?

    Come on Julia!

  181. Fleeced

    …relentless negativity…

    BINGO! What do I win?

  182. H B Bear

    AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott

  183. brc

    Blowing smoke up Howard’s butt? W…WTF?

    Voice sounds very shaky now.

  184. Gab

    hahahaha suddenly duckbum says Howard was great!! Such relentless hypocrisy.

  185. m0nty

    Gillard changing the game before our eyes.

    Let’s see Abbott sit on his ort with Bishop doing to the dirty work, after Gillard goes hard on policy.

  186. Ripper

    More like AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott

  187. DaveF

    Ok, 10 minutes of AbbotAbbottAbbott now it begins.

  188. nilk

    So I guess it’s All About Abbott in the presser?

  189. Keith

    And NDIS Fleeced, and a grab bag of issues that sounded like the commencement of an election campaign. You’ll have to share the prize with others.
    Loved the quavering voice, especially when referring to a “strong economy”.

  190. Rabz

    AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott

    Great, just as I expected…

  191. Gab

    She really sounds rattled. Good.

  192. DaveF

    A little bit nic, just a little.

  193. brc

    Doing a presser to avoid lying to parliament. Sneaky

  194. brc

    So you got defamed, start suing.

  195. Keith

    All fire in the belly, all the confidence – gone.

  196. DaveF

    She IS sounding a bit shaky talking about the Association.

  197. Gab

    At least gillard understands what an analogy means.

  198. DaveF

    Playing semantics now.

    Oh oh ‘I dealt with this at the previous marathon press conference..’

  199. brc

    Get on with it and answer the question.

  200. Sinclair Davidson

    Time wasting so she can avoid questions and run off to QT at 2pm.

  201. Sinclair Davidson

    “I refer you to my [previous] answers …”

    LOL.

  202. DaveF

    ‘marathon press conference’ how many times? 4?

  203. brc

    Didn’t answer the question

  204. Arnost

    She said – “I had nothing to do with the AWU workplace “Relations” association”

  205. Infidel Tiger

    Answer the POA question you disgusting tramp.

  206. brc

    So, Blewitts a crook, big deal. Did you sign the POA or not?

  207. m0nty

    That was a massive excoriation of Blewitt, I enjoyed that!

  208. DaveF

    SHE NEVER ANSWERED IT!

    She didn’t witness it. Case closed.

  209. Arnost

    Julia BlewitBlewitBlewit…

    I think I’d take his word over yours: You are a proven liar. “There will be no carbon tax…”

  210. Fleeced

    Like I said, it was just a pre-emptive strike to cast the upcoming QT as an example of Abbott’s “relentless negativity”

  211. Sinclair Davidson

    That was a massive excoriation of Blewitt, I enjoyed that!

    Yes. Spent all morning rehearsing – no doubt.

  212. Infidel Tiger

    That was a massive excoriation of Blewitt, I enjoyed that!

    Its common knowledge that unionists are scum. Why would Blewitt be any different?

    20 years ago Jools was happy to take his cash.

  213. brc

    Please someone else ask about the POA, because it wasn’t answered

  214. DaveF

    Hang on she said re-election was in the articles of association.

  215. brc

    Please someone else ask about the POA, because it wasn’t answered

  216. Gab

    “relentless negativity”

    She’s forgotten about her relentless negativity and that of the opposition when Howard was in office. Oh yeah, it’s different when they do it.

  217. DaveF

    The AoA stataed it was workplace sfety.

  218. Gab

    It was a slush fund for workplace safety. lol

  219. DaveF

    5 grand dropped into your bank account by a fraudster is a personal smear?

    Technical discussions of The Australian’s reporting?

  220. brc

    Sorry I just had a little vomit over the tee ATM story.

  221. roger

    #

    “I refer you to my [previous] answers …”

    LOL.

    You will get a lot of that come QT today, which is exactly the purpose of this press conference.

  222. Carpe Jugulum

    She can’t remember $5000 landing in the bank.

    aaaaaaahahahahahahahaha – she is full of it.

  223. DaveF

    Well I’ll grant her the money one, I believe it’s unlikely you could get records from that long ago.

    First truthful answer.

  224. C.L.

    Ahahahahaha.

    Gillard stunt designed to avoid misleading Parliament.

    Her voice shaky, she says she will take questions from the media on the scandal to spare Parliament from wasting time on this.

    Now she’ll go into the House and say ‘I answered all of this this morning.’

    Game set and match, Bishop.

    Via Bolt.

  225. DaveF

    Stuff the renovations. Back to the PoA.

  226. Carpe Jugulum

    Are there any of the main journalists covering this story there?

  227. H B Bear

    She’s going into misogynist rant mode.

  228. Sinclair Davidson

    She either witnessed all documents or not.

  229. Rabz

    Has she denounced the big greek bullshit artist?

  230. DaveF

    Yes Yes Yes. She is dissembling.

    Come on lady how many did you witness in Perth?

  231. Arnost

    $5,000 ATM transfers… ! Surprise? Crap… Not and answer.

    Did she go out on the Casino bender with Bruce Wilson? Did she lend him $5K to feed his habbit? Did she have a habit?

    I mean – to go through the Hundreds of Thousands scammed and have nothing to show for it, is suspicious… Symptomatic of a typical gambling induced fraud.

  232. It would be a fascinating tactic in QT to address all the questions to others involved and implicated…

  233. brc

    Won’t answer the POA question, not a good look.

  234. DaveF

    Yeah, Rabz, she bagged the Greeks craftsmanship.

  235. Infidel Tiger

    Lets be clear… the lady is a tramp.

  236. Carpe Jugulum

    She’s diverting now, answer the question. Who was your client.

  237. Carpe Jugulum

    Has anyone asked about the goldfields widows & orphans fund?

  238. DaveF

    Oh no 2GB just dropped it.

  239. Rabz

    she bagged the Greeks craftsmanship

    :D

  240. C.L.

    Desperate ABC Online tries to re-live phony misogyny speech glory days:

    A fired-up Julia Gillard takes aim at the Opposition’s “sleaze and smear” as she fronts the press to answer questions about the AWU slush fund.

  241. Carpe Jugulum

    Oh no 2GB just dropped it.

    Radio National has it.

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