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Well, Gab, it was never going to rain again and if it did, the rain that fell wouldn’t fill the dams, especially the ones that weren’t being built.
There are certain morons in Victoria who really need to be held to account for this debacle, just as there are in NSW and Queensland.
How many taxpayers’ billions have been squandered on this greenfilth idiocy?
Why hasn’t Red Ted undertaken an investigation occured into the tendering process?
It is clear the process was more about getting “gold plated” jobs for the CFMEU then addressing the actual water needs of Melbourne.
A similar review needs to be done on the famous tender process of the NBN which is consistently over budget and unable to provide the promised services.
Splat,
While we’re celebrating journalistic genius…
Mk50 – I also trained on the SLR. Loved it to bits. Nothing like a boomstick that makes a big boom. Also trained on the F1 submachine gun. I notice no one ever wants to collect them – with good reason.
Actually, no. That’s the dams in Melbourne’s water supply system. There is considerably more storage capacity across the state.
The desal is still ridiculous, of course.
Mk50, tried to appropriate the name “Gupta the Nepalese Armourer” but computer says No. A pity, that sort of name should not be forgotten.
monty
Don’t ever bring up other people’s intelligence or conceit again. You couldn’t even tell myself or Currency Lad apart. You are really quite, quite stupid.
A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?
They’re designed to kill people quickly.
Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.
Which are you then, Mk50?
A wanker or a murderer?
What a load of crap numbers. You have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”.
Do you have any friends IRL?
Mk50, why do you insist on characterising your opponents as evil or barbarians? It’s a pattern with you, you seem to have to classify others as subhuman or implacably monstrous, rather than merely debating issues. Are you on a mission from God?
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Bullshit. I’ve called anyone who wants to own an L1A1 (an assault weapon) a wanker or a murderer. Show me where I said anything about martial arts or shooters.
Typical Libertarian loony – the old Bolt technique – make something up and ascribe it to your opponent…
During the height of the Baida dispute THR was advocating the idea workers who kill the shift managers should be given a pass from normal judicial rules.
I called him on it and got him to back down, yet a few days later he was reposting it.
He deserves the label.
You know what you wrote, numbers. If you have to rephrase what you said to look like less of an arsehole, you’re still an arsehole. You don’t even try to hide the “still beating your wife” kind of insult, wrongly associate me with Bolt and dishonestly smear what I said as Alinskyite propaganda.
You’re a turd. A narcissistic turd.
You once wrote that a small town ought to have the school as its focal point. Of course, you would never have anything to gain from this. What is your job again? How would you have the time to do this when you’re not representing disabled kids pro bono against the QCs of elite private schools?
You then smear anyone who believes that people should be free as loony, after your attempt to popularise your idea of running outback QLD hamlets along the lines of the Viet Minh.
I dunno, what is less crazy:
1. The Government ought to streamline regulation and taxes, and leave us alone in our personal lives;
or
2. I am a Vietnam vet and a school principal and I ought to be the centre of attention, even for people without kids…
This guy works at the tax office.
This is the entrenched mentality we have to deal with.
Nothing short of mass sackings will fix this.
Numbers I really have to wonder about you, your state of mind and your motivations.
Would you use such insults for anyone who collects or likes millitaria or is it just an excuse to label MK50 as a wanker and murderer for calling you out on the rubbish you post here?
You continually ridicule and denigrate the Cat and the people who frequent it, yet keep coming here to a place you openly despise.
Why?
You may have heard about the weekend mass brawl in Logan where a young man was deliberately run down by a car.
Yes, it was good old ‘multiculturalism‘ at work again.
Yeah, and because you’re thick, I’ll write it again – no rephrasing… - A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?
They’re designed to kill people quickly.
Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.
Which are you then, Mk50?
A wanker or a murderer?
Now, you claimed I have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”
I did not.
Therefore you are either thick or delusional, or perhaps both.
Yes, crimes.
Chapter and verse from Julie Bishop on the CRIMES of Slushgate.
Michael Costa is right. It’s time for Julia Gillard to assist police with their enquiries.
Multiculturalism – breaking news:
You are being ridiculous as usual, CL. Your stupid comment is the equivalent of saying that Sarah Cafferkey was killed due to the White Australia Policy.
Having a blog that no-one reads (like another recently exterminated pest), the old commo troll has decided to attach himself to the Cat. Every post is designed as some deranged North Korean circus act to get an equal and opposite reaction. Eventually the civilised world will get sick of the sabre-rattling on the other side of the DMZ.
Rabz … my understanding that your Desal Plants are about $6 bil a copy, no discount for quantity.
So that makes the tally of the tape on the East Coast $18 bil.
Plus I think the cost of the Victorian one blew-out beyond the list price because of the extra costs of paying bikies to deal drugs on site and about 100 ETU members sitting in the sheds with their thumbs up their bums every day.
“Your stupid comment is the equivalent of saying that Sarah Cafferkey was killed due to the White Australia Policy.’
No, that’s not right Munty.
Sarah Cafferky was killed because of wet-lettuce sentencing by ALP appointed judges.
@M0nty
“are you on a mission from God”
Somehow doubt that. He’s obviously a dyslexic athiest (“defeiciecies”) on a mission from Dog…..
Bolt and Bishop have been very, very close on the AWU issue. Bolt led Bishop through that interview the Sunday before last like a prosecution lawyer leading a prosecution witness through a pre-arranged set of questions and answers. It was spooky to watch, a kabuki play in action.
This latest slab of text by Bolt doesn’t seem to be quoted anywhere else, according to Google. Effectively, it seems, it’s a press release that Bishop has sent exclusively to Bolt. Bolt publishes it verbatim with a minimum of commentary.
Bolt and Michael Smith are moving swiftly to becoming overt public relations practitioners for the Coalition. Not even Fox News would be this brazen.
Worries that the Australian right was importing the American right’s tactics in subsuming the media to become wholly partisan are somewhat misplaced. They are not catching up to America, they have gone past and are breaking new ground, innovating with new and more integrated links between media and party.
monty squeals because conservatives are doing that which the ABC and Fairfax have been doing for years.
Keep fucking that chicken, numbers.
Fat boy
Burp, yawn.
They work for private institutions and can do and should do whatever they fucking like.
Go eat a couple of dunkins you oversized goose.
Wow. mOron. Cutting like a hot knife through butter to come to the stunning conclusion that two conservative chaps support, wait for it, the conservatives.
Unbelievable. Who would have thought?
If that’s spooky, Combet’s fake press conference was shades of Dracula. Does he have a reflection?
ABC breathlessly reports the Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery gives us 5 years to act.
5 years. The critical decade.
Our Climate Commissioner.
And he is having a fling with the Dildo Whisperer.
He squeals like an overfed pig, gab.
I haven’t watched the bolt show. I’m getting the impression that his biggest audience are outraged leftwing idiots like fat boy.
Bolt seems to be beating that leftwing troll ol’leatherface in the ratings .
Good news.
Five years.
…and the dams will evaporate forever.
What about the state?
Remember when Red Kerry referred so impartially to the ALP as “us”?
Dot that was a quote.
“5 years. The critical decade” to be used in full, please.
Perhaps the dildo whisperer told him we ony have 5 years, DaveF.
I’m still shocked she made the switch from a rubber porker to him. Man, what a bad trade.
Hey fat boy, there’s hope for you yet. If flannery can score a former hooker and dildo expert, you can too.
Yep you did. Now you have softened your language now you loopy ideas are being bashed, to try to make them more acceptable and insidious.
How is being the centre of life of a small town working out for you? Have the proles swallowed this Viet Minh claptrap yet?
Rosa Parks anniversary celebrated by the US President.
With a photo of himself. In the same seat.
Is that grey or is he balding in an odd way?
The conservative version of political reality is more popular than the leftwing version. And people turn off when Gillard talks.
M0nty, fixed for you…
This will cover thousands of articles published this year by the ABC & FauxFacts which were merely regurgitation of the instructions from the Federal ALP & the Greens.
Gillard openly boasts that Mcturnen et-al have gone over to the US to be explicitly taught by Obamas campaign team on how to use their ugly divisive tactics here.
So M0nty rants and raves on about some bizarre conspiracy theory about “the right”.
To Paraphrase Ann Coulter: “Whatever the left are accusing you of – they are in the process of doing.”
@noname
“yep you did”. No I didn’t.
Repeating a lie often doesn’t make it the truth. Find where I characterised anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter as a “wanker or a murderer”, or crawl back in your hole.
@tom – did you read Bolts posting of the transcript from the Gillard interview.
I’ll save you the bother. Just repeat ‘sleaze and smear’, ‘AbbottAbbottAbbott’ and ‘negativity’ to yourself for 5 minutes, and you’ve impersonated the PM.
Absolutely hopeless, and completely ripe for send-up. But nobody will, either because of the culture of fear in the media, or because all comedians are hopelessly beholden to saving the Labor party, no matter how bad the stench.
What, really is the point of listening to a press conference or interview with the PM? She never says anything new anyway. Her entire political strategy appears to be avoiding the public at all costs.
I’d love to see what sort of an election campaign she intends on running. She has only been to one shopping centre since the ‘why did you lie to us, and why do you continue to lie’ moment – and that was a stage-managed ACT appearance at supermarket closing time.
Abbott still freely circulates in public, talking with workers, people on the street. He openly and actively campaigned for Newman in the QLD state election.
Gillard can’t show her face in the street for fear of copping abuse from voters. Her poll ratings are the best when she is out of the country.
Someone tell me again how you’re supposed to run (and win) an election campaign on this basis? Remember the polling – only 20% believe what she says on the AWU matter. 4 out of 5 people think she is either lying or telling partial truths. You just cannot win an election with an trust problem like that.
Dot
Please tell me spuds didn’t bring up he was in Vietnam.
I was too spuds. I’ve been there.
Yes you did, and you altered your behaviour after you were chastised.
You simply dislike people with different interests to you.
You are embarrassed by many of your beliefs. Rightly so.
Numerical one, aren’t you a state-school principal? Then what are you doing on The Cat? Get back to work – those kiddies aren’t going to be inculcated in voting ALP for life by themselves, you know.
@James
I retired from the principalship in 2005. Now I work when I please. Unlike the bulk of posters on this site who must be unemployed or wasting their employer’s time given the obvious posting patterns.
Yes, brc, I read it. People showed excellent judgement in turning off rather than listening to what they knew she would say. She has become a pre-programmed McTernan talking-points robot. She is treating people like idiots, possibly because she shows signs of being clinically diagnosable as one herself. Yesterday’s Galaxy poll is an indication of how well that strategy is going.
@noname
Still waiting for you to find those ficticious Comments.
What I dislike are liars and hypocrites. They’re thick on the ground on this site.
Agent orange is only upset that people may want to own an SLR because it reminds him of the flashback he had when his Platoon Commander suggested he use his dick as a pull through because it was the same calibre as the rifle, 7.62mm.
The SLR is still in use up north for shooting wild buffalo/horses/pigs etc from choppers. Mate of mine went for a ride in a chopper with a crew that was culling. Said he couldn’t believe how good the shooters were at hitting a wild herd on the move from a moving platform.
There’s a lot of feral stuff up there – it would take forever to knock down a herd using a bolt action with say a 5 round mag.
Some might say that wanting to shoot bunnies with an SLR is overkill. But if you can afford the ammo – why not?
The idiots at the ABC don’t realise that the further they lurch left, the more Bolts they will create. When the average person can detect a stultifying worship of one side of politics, especially when it is looking extremely rank (as it is at the moment), then they will search out an alternative point of view. Those that are there to provide that alternative will benefit.
Leather face systematically muzzles or boots the conservative commentators from his show, and so they leave and do their own thing. Everyone at the ABC is happy because Bolt isn’t pointing out inconvenient facts and holes in the narrative.
But then he starts his own show and people start watching it. It develops it’s own momentum. It overtakes leatherfaces own show.
The irony in all of this is that the Bolt report routinely invites government ministers, trade unionists and other lefties onto his talk panel. And the hard-left refuses, but the moderates accept. And thus the moderates get to reach more people than the circle-jerk of current-day insiders, thus further marginalising their audience into more and more of a back-slapping session, which further alienates the middle ground.
Bolt has gradually moved closer to the centre in his opinions since he started, so it’s not surprising to find his audiences gradually increasing. I don’t watch it much these days, and I disagree with him on a lot of issues, but there is no denying his impact these days, which is far, far greater than it was 5 years ago.
And that profile has been raised almost exclusively by leftist idiots trying to demonise him, believing their own codswallop.
Or self employed, perhaps?
You, know, those evil bourgeois types who make a living on their own terms?
Wasn’t it a bit weird how Newscorp commissioned a Galaxy poll instead of using Newspoll. Maybe it’s an end-of-year thing, maybe they are losing faith in their own polling ability.
Struck me as odd, that’s all.
Anyway, the fact is Swan is on track to lose his seat, which is my Christmas wish for this year, even though it won’t happen until 2013.
This normally coincides with filling out his dole diary or completing a grant application for the latest cause de jour.
People should read Gillard’s interview on 10′s Meet The Press yesterday: it’s a comedy script delivered by a cartoon character.
Yes, all too well – election night 2007:
What an ugly ol’ partisan goose.
I’d heard whispers about his seat being at risk. Now this is confirmation.
Great news.
LOL. That’s why they’re described as two “Sudanese teams,” huh?
You really are a 1950′s era dinosaur like most of the reactionary left.
Most of the people who post here are paid based upon results, not hours worked. When you have some time management skills and continually deliver high productivity gains your time is your own.
How old were you when you qualified for a pension? Due you have an annuity or a fixed sum Numbers?
Interesting point.
The ALP are on track to lose every seat in Queensland, including bloody rudd’s.
Can’t happen soon enough, although I’m predicting Woine Goose announces his retirement before the election, so he can concentrate fully on appreciating his Goose Springsteen collection.
He is going out of his way to drive down the ratings. That was a good program once.
Talking about 1950s era dinosaurs, I got chatting to an old salt of a guy working the counter in a hardware store on the weekend. Turns out he knew my family, so I gave him a brief rundown of how I make a crust. He didn’t really know what to say, so he said ‘you must have an interesting workplace agreement’.
I didn’t really know what to say after that. How do you even communicate about work with someone who cannot fathom doing a job without a union and an employer negotiating your life with no input from you?
Lefties honour TV personality and Obama brown-noser who joked about Sarah Palin’s daughter being raped.
David Letterman, 2012 Kennedy Center honoree.
Well it is the Kennedy Centre.
I loved the recollection of somebody here yesterday on scrotum face’s opening words on Insiders:
“Well, Tony Abbott…”
Personally I’m hoping Swan goes for glory and teams up with the AWU enforcers to boot Gillard, then produce evidence to end her career forever, then steps into the top job, with a brief but glorious career as PM before recording the lowest ever Primary Vote for the ALP since it’s inception, leading to a close-run thing with Katter as the official opposition party.
It would be a stain on Australian politics to have his mug hanging in the hallway, but worth it for the ability to scare kiddies in the future of what happens when you appoint innumerate trade union hacks into positions of responsibility.
Oh how they laughed and LOLed when Bolt was given a Sunday talk show.
Well, they’re not laughing much now.
Who was the barking mad loser who used to try and make a point here of how poor Bolt’s ratings supposedly were?
Rabz
That was that idiot Loldouche. The idiot would post the Sunday morning ratings every monday arvo here and go all orgasmic because ol’scrotum face had won by a few thousand and bolts was basically a new show.
I think he’s one of bleacher’s slaves over at crikey who basically work for a plate of chips.
Since bolts ascendency we haven’t seen the spiteful pipsqueak.
Brc
Of course the only reason the little turd would go for gold would be to score a few benefits as the little weasel knows he hasn’t a hope in gizmo of ever winning.
Look, the libs could exhume Menzies and Wand would still lose.
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?
Yeah, what JC said. He used to linkwhore for the Crikey PP Boyz blog all the time, all giddy schoolgirl giggles about how Bolt was going down, baby — DOWN!
Now he’s gone for over-eager linking to Sh0pfront; the PP Boyz blog is dead; and Bolt’s TV show is thriving.
Gosh, that must hurt. Bless their hearts.
Bolt has matured a lot too. Less ready to talk over his panel to voice his own opinions, more ready to let them speak uninterrupted.
Most of his panels have been good value too. Even having clowns like Hawker appear isn’t all bad – whenever he bobs up it’s a reminder of how fucked up the leftist worldview can be.
Yes, Dog, they’re so endearing.
No. I don’t have a lawn as grass destroys my finely tuned sinus which was only ever conceived for city living. No church.
Ive only seen bolt on the vids people put up. I actually don’t think he’s a great interviewer.
What do Haitians have against grass?
Unless they are growing it in Griffith, the bastards can’t stand the stuff anywhere near their houses. Very fond of concrete lions though.
Not Haitians, Italians! What a bizarre auto correct.
You’re right, Lloyd, Bolt is better than he was. But his show is still counter-propaganda. There’d be no market for it if the MSM had done its job. The spectacle of “commentators” (like Bolt on one side and Cassidy and co on the other) barracking for one side of politics was basically unheard of until five years ago. Until then, we could figure out people’s biases, but there was a basic attempt made to achieve even-handedness. Journalism ethics have gone out the window.
Haitians?
You mean italians with a spellcheck?
Dunno. Grass fucking kills me. NYC was perfect for me as I never had allergies there. Melbourne is like death valley for allergies.
Every bit of my outside living area is paved in bluestone. Plants are where they should be… In pots.
I don’t mind barracking from private businesses. I think that’s why Britain has the best newspapers – they very openly support one side against the other.
When you are funded by the taxpayer however you should shut your mouth and keep your opinions to yourself.
No argument there Tom.
I used to think Leigh Sales was a fairly competent journalist and easy on the eyes too, but lately she seems to have degenerated into a rabid screeching harpy. Same with Alberici.
At least Bolt still makes an effort to be nonpartisan. He bags Balilieau and asks the Bolt Question of Abbott.
That’s basically bullshit. Ol’scrotum face, fatty jones, bald idiot Phil Correy, precious Marr have been around forever.
Having a rightie on tv with a political program is a first here.
….. in the ceiling …. in hydroponic trays ……. with 500 watt lights to make them grow more fast …… oops.
@Token
The only pension I get is one I pay myself.
This, together with my earnings fron my consultancy business keeps me in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed.
Your world view is based on stereotype and cliche, with a little delusional fantasy thrown in for good measure.
@lloyd
“at least Bolt still makes an effort to be nonpartisan….”
Pure fantasy.
Bitter and twisted?
Thanks, JC.
Is this the same on where you beat QCs in quasi judicial hearings?
You definitely wouldn’t like Japan in Spring then.
So you spout the crap from 1950′s ideology though you yourself has moved on. Strangely, you still speak as if the rest of us are locked into that redundant IR model.
Projection. The logical fallacy the illogical left depends upon.
Oh good. Another thread morphing into ALL PATIO BOY! — ALL THE TIME!!
Why do y’all let him do this to you?
Spuds
Fuck off you deranged moocher. People may disagree with bolt but from what I’ve seen he gives people a fair go.
The cat once had a vid of him interviewing that dickhead albanese. Bolt was a gentleman to him whereas I would have punched his lights out given the chance…the lying scrawny douchebag he is.
Compare his style with fatty jones always interrupting and interjecting. He’s lucky no one has taken him out as he thoroughly deserves it.
Now fuck off, you two bit loon.
No civilised man mows a lawn on a Sunday.
Used to be prohibited, actually.
We don’t.
Sinc does.
Speaking of lawn maintenance matters, just saw this over at ABC online…
How the hell?
Woman has hairy encounter with whipper snipper.
You see, Bolt does occasionally criticise Abbot and definitely critises Baileau, and lately has been sniping shots at Newman as well.
If you’re going to be a openly-biased commentator like Bolt, it’s important to pick on your own side as well. Not only to remove the appearance of having your lips locked to the rear of the currently sitting party politicians, but also to make sure they realise they’ll have to cop criticism from all sides for dumb policies.
The left have never figured this out, because they come from cultures like trade unionism and modern-day communism descendants, where everyone must be on the same sheet and dissent is not allowed, let alone encouraged.
A complete culture of ‘the king is dead, long live the king’ on the side of the Australian left is why they keep serving up hopeless politicians. 5 years ago, they all lined up to fawn at the feet of Rudd, now they all throw him under the bus as a problem to be managed. They never criticise Labor policies, and openly twist and distort logic to try and make up for them. Thus the Labor party thinks it can get away with anything because they have a cheer squad that will never criticise them.
It all boils down to whether you think as an individual or a collective. Collectivism fails, every time.
+1
Nice.
Watch this video carefully…
Gillard laughs at permanently wheelchair-bound woman saying how hard life is for her.
From O.28 ——>>>>>>>>>>
Real men mow the lawn on Satdee arvo wearing Stubbies with either double pluggers or Dunlop Volleys. They have an old trannie in the ear and a domestic beer in their pocket. They then edge the lawn with a spade, making plenty of sparks when they hit the curb.
Compare his style with fatty jones always interrupting and interjecting. He’s lucky no one has taken him out as he thoroughly deserves it.
Talking over your interview subject seems the modus operandi of the left. It’s very common and very irritating on the ABC. Mark Colvin ( radio PM) even does it to ABC reporters who phone in a story.
Very bad manners, and did I mention it was irritating?
I reckon they do it because they value their own opinions and don’t like the interviewee to express any
incorrectalternate view.Woman in wheelchair asks her prime minister, gillard, a question.
ABC headline:
Australia: the stupid country.
Registered Glock owner pulls his weapon on being threatened by two men, cops show and shoot him dead.
See, only the police are allowed to use guns to ‘protect’ themselves.
Police shooting raises questions: inquest.
JC you should actually go to the real death valley. Not a blade of grass or tree to be seen as far as the horizon. Lots of interesting stuff, starkly beautiful landscape. Ultimately it’s just a pile of desert, but has really interesting stuff you can’t see anywhere else like The Racetrack, Scotty’s Castle and Badwater Basin (lowest point in the USA, 84 feet below sea level).
If you’re ever in Las Vegas for a stretch, it’s definitely worth a day or two-day trip. Some of the better stuff can only be seen with a 4wd, which really adds to the fun of getting there.
Well I am pretty sure Jews and seventh day Adventists don’t mow on the sabbath, so for them Sunday it is.
Julia Gillard smirks and giggles through a disabled woman’s plea.
Tony Abbott acts as guide for blind man’s marathon.
Just about says it all.
This will warm the cockles of IT and C.L., and even JC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sXtjcqV_IA
Life In Australia: Cairns
“Early morning in Cairns, you’ll meet a few people like Tony Taylor, netting a few prawns, or fishing , before going off to work…”
Always wanted to drive from cal to Vegas. Brc will do that one day.
No, it makes me sick that we have become a country of mincing fascists.
Perhaps unfortunately you are right IT, Tony Taylor would now probably be illegally fishing in one of that repetitive, inarticulate, uneducated, semi-literate moron Sarah Hanson Young’s sacred fishing no go areas.
Your ALPBC – all the subtlety of house brick.
BTW, love the photo of the cooling towers, you dishonest marxist pricks!
Australia was freer then, Dot – 1964 – than it is today.
You can do that via Death Valley, which is the best way. Enter the park at the South on the way from Vegas, stay in either Panamint Springs or Furnace Creek and check out the sights. Exit the park at the north end, then cross the Inyo Mountains until you’re in the next valley which the 395 runs up. Keep your eyes out and you’ll spot the famous Bristlecone pines that Mann used to hoodwink the world into carbon taxes. Follow the 395 North for a bit and take the pass into Yosemite National Park, and spend some time there (though lots of grass + trees!). Finally exit back down through the central valley, marvel at the irrigation system that feeds a continent (before the greenies dismantle it) and then head either into either San Francisco or south to LA.
Awesome bit of the world. Much better to look at than anything in Australia. You’ll be going from the absolute desert floor to the high Sierra in about 4 or 5 hours of driving, and see everything in-between.
I’ve recommended this type of trip to quite a few people over the years, and they have all returned raving about it.
Mmmmmmm.. rabbit stew….
C.L.,
On that note…
I met an interesting older guy at the first LDP meeting I ever went to (2006) and he was interesting because of what he said – basically that Australia was becoming less and less free, and he did not want his grandchildren to live in an unfree society.
It was sort of shocking to hear that from an older guy, after all, in my lifetime, we’d taken on microeconomic reform and saw the fall of communism, and as a child, free speech and self defence were simply assumed to be rights we held without question.
After becoming familiar with the AQF and how the unions have sewn up superannuation, I can see now how the long march through the institutions has done its evil work.
Seriously.
Listen to the Senate on News Radio one day and listen to Sarah Hanson Young.
It will make you seriously consider a requirement such as a minimum IQ threshold to be a Parliamentarian.
There goes Ponting – out for 8 in his last Test innings. Best Australian batsman since Bradman.
I hvae a very good friend who records BoltA for me every weekend.
Sign language expert reinterprets Gillard’s response to wheelchair bound womans question.
YouTube, nilk, youtube
Early Mass on Sunday in my parish is 8,30am.
Be generous and say no one can be a rep with an IQ lower than average…100.
That would knock out 90% of the front bench and nearly all the slime.
Essential steady on 53-47.
Anyone else note the irony that the evil right-wing hate media Newspoll now consistently has the best numbers for Labor out of all polls?
Pollbludger, bless his heart, regards Essential’s questions on the AWU affair as “the most well framed set of questions yet seen on the issue”. Which seems to mean it gives the most positive response for Gillard.
In fairness to Gillard answering questions about specific situations is not a pollie’s brief and at least she didn’t tell the disabled woman it was Abbott’s fault.
Gillard’s face looks like a death mask.
Yep, extreme botox and thin pursed lips – not a good look…
In fact she manages to simultaneously look like both a cobra and a weasel. And that’s before she says anything…
Last week Sinc referred to a link, “Vex news’ to justify Gillards description of Blewitt, can anyone vouch for the site?
Since when has a “heckler” given a microphone during a politician’s speech ?
It’s a set up, an attempt to make Gillard look “caring” for the disabled.
Pollbludger is a first rate moron.
He was trying to spin some bullshit that the 200 homes Lurch and Rudd burnt down were going to happen anyway …that it was just normal.
I kid you not.
The worst of it is that plenty of meatheads went along with it.
“heckler” been given
No, true overkill is watching some mug trying to shoot a bunny with an M-60 on the firing range at Pucka. Chewed through a full belt and didn’t land a single bullet on target….
The numbskull who tried wombat hunting with an M-203 (also at Pucka) was another highlight of my time as a Reservist..
Dot
This is interesting
“It was sort of shocking to hear that from an older guy, after all, in my lifetime, we’d taken on microeconomic reform and saw the fall of communism, and as a child, free speech and self defence were simply assumed to be rights we held without question.”
Microeconomic reform, really commenced with the floating of the dollar and was pre-eminent from trhat time on in Oz
Fall of Communism (which one?) Ill take the Berlin wall fall as the date you mean? 1989
My guess Dot is you are older than you want to be or I think!
Surely as a ten year old you werent that interested in the fall of Communism were you?
Are you sure you werent talking to yourself?
Monty:
Comment: False as stated. My view is a moral one and comes from a moral assessment based on standard western moral and legal values (murder is bad, that kind of stuff). THR self-identified as and supported Leninism and Stalinism. There is absolutely no moral difference between Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism and Hitlerism. All are totalitarian ideologies with historically verifiable records of slaughter on a scale unprecedented since Timur the Lame destroyed the great Islamic civilisations of central asia. All are stains on human history, all created vast human misery, poverty and death: morally, they are unambiguously evil. None of them have any redeeming features. THR, for example, did not have the excuse of being acculturated (he was not born and raised under Leninism), he voluntarily chose to follow and support that ideology. How is that not an evil act, Monty? Would people be relaxed and comfortable about it if he had voluntarily decided to follow and support Hitlerite ideology? If not, why not given that there is no moral difference between them?
It is apparent from your post that you do not share this moral assessment (either because you do not agree with it or have not thought about it).
I do not and have not applied this moral judgement to you, the Steves or Numbers. I view you all as deluded, reality denying narcissistic fabulists and there is no moral issue in that. It’s a stupid thing to be, but stupidity is not a moral problem: it’s a very human thing. There are lots of stupid people like you lot.
I have a similarly moral view of terrorists irrespective of their race, religion, ideology or anything else. Morally, being a terrorist is evil.
I prefer to oppose such evils as best I can and yes, that’s a significant factor in my past and present professions. In terms of barbarians, they self-identify. The fine vigilantes who lynched 6 blokes in Gaza a few weeks back and towed one of the corpses through the streets can be called what else?
Lefty Tactics Lesson No. 235,117 – the Entry Wedge
Here is a good example of the ‘reasonableness with a kicker’ approach. Again, another standard lefty tactic, the intent is to draw the interlocutor in to an apparently reasonable discussion, then to make specific and highly emotional accusations.
Numbers:
Comment: First, the leftard asks a ‘reasonable question’. A ‘reasonable response might be “Considerable fun on the range, enables one to go after pigs in close terrain, if lawfully owned in accordance with legislation and stored in accordance with regulation (as many are in Australia), why not?”
Comment: Then, the leftard makes a plausible, but only partially true statement, as here. The alert interlocutor will not respond as planned. Instead, an alert interlocutor might say something like: “Actually, they are designed to reload after each shot and be robust and accurate. As an infantryman, you should know that artillery is the biggest killer on any battlefield, and that rifle fire is mostly there to keep people’s heads down.” Adding one’s own ‘kicker’ such as “ You were not a very good infantryman were you, Numbers?” will tend to discommode the leftard and act to derail its standard tactic at this point.
Comment: The leftard will then normally employ a fallacy in logic. In this case, it is the logical fallacy of Confusing association with causation. Aside from raucous laughter at the sheer stupidity of this leftardish statement, an appropriate response might be: “As they are designed to reload after each shot and be robust and accurate and I enjoy firing them at an approved range and in a safe and legal fashion, of course I intend to use it for its designed purpose. I am, however, worried about your mental state and mental capacity given that you seem to believe that you, as a former soldier, existed only to “kill people quickly”. Have you sought professional mental health assistance to deal with this serious mental health problem?”
Comment: As is normally the case, the leftard then descends into the pit for another round of argumentum ad hominem. As usual, this can be ignored with appropriate smirks, as simply being proof that the leftard does not understand the basics of cvil discourse (or even grammar, logic etc etc)
More in this tactical appreciation series as the subject provides more examples.
He claimed to be an ex-special forces, Mandarin-speaking Aborigine being hunted by the CIA…
The SLR was designed to kill. That is a statement of fact. It is not a toy – not a piece of equipment designed to amuse. Having seen what it does to human tissue, I can attest to this statement of fact. The statement is not “partially true” – it is simply true. It’s interesting that a conservative is comfortable with the concept of relative truth. This is an accusation thrown about by conservatives at every opportunity.
Sure, but an SLR round is designed to kill. The fact that artillery (or mines, or RPGs) also kill has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth of my statement. The comment about artillery is simply a red herring.
Association is about connection or combination. Causation is the action of causing or producing. I am in no way confusing them. It is valid to associate possession of an SLR with killing. That is after all, what the weapon was designed to do. You may not appreciate the association, but it exists. Try using “rifle” in a word association test. You’ll get “kill” or “shot” in there frequently, just as you would get “drive” or “speed” if you used “roadster”.
Causation is a different concept entirely, but firing an SLR produces a result, which if used for its intended purpose, kills someone. The thing may be used for firing at a range, but that was never its intended function. It is not calibrated for accuracy, but designed to be portable, robust, and reliable. It is a killing machine.
If you don’t own an SLR because you plan to use it for its intended purpose (to kill) then there must be another reason. My understanding (and please correct me if I’m wrong) is that the only way for an individual in Australia to legally own a fully automatic assault rifle is to have a Firearm Collector’s Licence and the firearm deactivated by having the rifle’s action welded up. The SLR can be converted to full auto by filing down the seer, something done often (if illegally as far as the army was concerned) in Vietnam. You would be unable to fire it legally on a range in Oz in this configuration. The best you could do would be to put the deactivated weapon in a cabinet and look at it, perhaps taking it out and handling it from time to time. Hence my “wanker” comment.
I understand the notion of collecting, which is precisely why my roadster is on the market, as I don’t really have the time to drive it anymore. I’m not going to park the thing and look at it. It should be driven. Only a wanker (or bolt f**ker in common parlance) would keep the thing simply to look at it.
Now that’s really bizarre. If a rifleman in an infantry platoon is carrying an SLR, then it’s probably reasonable to assume that whilst in that role, if he came in contact with enemy, “killing people quickly” was precisely what was expected. It was, after all, infinitely preferable to the alternative, which was to be killed quickly. I can’t believe that you actually wrote that.
As to my “mental health”, I think you’re the one with the problem if you’re honestly putting the argument that soldiers, on active service, aren’t expected to kill. Perhaps you’re advocating a whole new approach to soldiering. Please elaborate – sounds fascinating…..
That SLR statement of yours is complete idiocy, 1735099.
It makes you sound simple minded.
Not so much vouch for it Brian, but it is run by Andrew Landeryou, son of former Victorian ALP identity, Bill Landeryou.
Both are ….. how you say ….. colourful characters (google “Andrew Landeryou, Melbourne University, property deal” for some interesting reading).
He seems embedded in the inter-factional warfare within the Victorian ALP and has his pet topics ….. His pet hates include the Age (good), along with Kathy Jackson, various municipal council non-entities, Solomon Lew, Steven Mayne (tick), and, more recently Ralph Blewitt
I suspect he is a mouthpiece for someone (hard to know who from the above collection) and I also suspect he is (ahem) “creative” with some of his “reporting”
In short, it is an ALP gossip site.
You obviously don’t fully understand the notion of collecting, Numbers!
By your twisted logic a collector of coins would not collect them to look at and admire, but instead, for fear of being called a wanker, go out and use them for their intended purpose e.g. as currency?
Similarly a collector of stamps likewise would not accumulate stamps to admire and enjoy, wanker! No, instead they spend thousands of dollars and immeasurable time collecting rare and beautiful stamps to lick the back of them and whack them on a letter to Nan for Chrissy??
Same would go for collectors of cars, antiques, spoons, tea-towels, dolls, teddy bears, comic books, millitaria and so on.
A collector of anything who doesn’t use their collection for their intended purpose is by numbers definition a wanker!
Numbers, you had better get onto Macquarie Dictionary and get the definition adjusted.
@Old Fridgie
No, stamp and coin collectors are merely eccentric.
That is obviously your opinion!
Mine is quite simply you do not understand the notion of collecting.
Nuff said.
Fast Boy
Tubbsie Milne is pure walking evil. In the old days she would have been considered satanic.
Go away. Stop trying to pain lipstick on pigs.
oops
Damn Ipad… Fat Boy… certainly not Fast Boy.
Potemkin’s Village
Queensland. Sick one day, perverted the next… here
“How is that not an evil act, Monty?”
Since THR is getting the revisionist treatment recently, I’m going to weigh in.
THR was a far-leftist of some obscure variety (never could quite pin him down on exactly what), but he made clear his belief that the various atrocities committed by Soviet dictators did not arise directly from the ideology. He was of the idealist school, thinking that massive dispossession, centralisation and regulation would not automatically lead to pogroms, starvation, mass imprisonment, torture and murder.
THR himself never once demonstrated the slightest inclination towards genocide, etc. He never said or showed that he was a slavish follower of Lenin (or anyone), desiring to implement the Soviet model in full including purges and gulags. Therefore it’s wrong, and completely unfair, to accuse him of evil.
It’s also intellectual laziness.
[Mark - this is completely OTT. Please tone it down. Sinc]
You crossed a line there dickhead.
Anyone seen Stepford?
Hey step, if you’re reading this, which of course you are, I told you this was going to happen. Stupid you for not listening to uncle JC’s advice.
hahahahahhahahahahahaha so you were finally booted.
Where’s the other steves… the one with the plastic sex doll he takes on vacation.
The 7.30 Report, with that supposed “conservatively leaning” Chris Uhlmann at the helm, is busy running a typical ABC Panic Session on climate change. Using the finest authorities (some bike riding nerd from CSIRO) and a carefully selected government climate minister (who just happens to be the main newsreader’s amour toujour for now), one has to wonder who in the ABC John Connor of the also favoured Climate Institute is really chummy with.
While remaining unable to forecast weather more than two or three days days ahead, the prediction is now bandied about that we are in for 4-6 degrees by the end of the century instead of the “everything’s under control” two degrees in return for good behaviour by everyone except China.
Stocks within these themes is what an I bank suggests will look good for 2013.
Growth themes
1) Branded GEM consumer plays
2) Industrial Automation
3) Global trade
4) Global travel
5) Water
6) Underleveraged banks in underleveraged countries 43
7) Labour-intensive oilfield services
8) Energy efficiency
9) Reducing car emissions
10) Specific plays on the internet – in particular, e-financial services
11) Ageing in emerging markets
12) Software
And you’d be a happier person if you took off 50 Kilos.
Don’t even try to suggest nuance Fat Boy.
If I’m a fast boy, that makes you a slow old man, JC.
Directing your point for you, mont.
No, you’re Fat Boy, not fast boy. I already corrected that Fats.
Pretty bloody wide net, JC.
Yea it’s wide, but I think it sounds okayish.
look at the theme, then the sector in the theme and then the stock(s)
[I'm nipping this THR discussion in the bud. Sinc]
Hey Jarrah,merry christmas to you and yours
Monty:
Incorrect. Pointing out that someone voluntarily supports a verifiably evil ideology says nothing about their citizenry or humanity. Stalin, a soviet citizen, loved children and was a good father to his kids. He also had children killed in large numbers and justified this via his ideology. What I am doing, Monty, is holding people to a verifiable moral standard.
Nonsense. People define themselves in moral terms by their actions and beliefs – I did not force THR to be a leninist. If one voluntarily supports Leninisn, and leninism is verifiably evil, what has that person done?
Also, your example is historically inaccurate. Anyone could become a Roman citizen. All you had to do was acculturate, accept and live in accordance with Roman civilised values. This is a false analogy.
Strawman argument drawn from false analogy and hence invalid. The way suffrage functions is not a moral matter.
No-one is challenging this. And being a citizen does not mean people cannot be evil. A virtuous citizen is a virtuous citizen, and evil citizen is an evil citizen: nothing more, nothing less. Citizenship is not a moral condition.
Stalin and Hitler, socialists both, were sentient. Both were human. Both were evil.
Your ‘argument’ here is senseless and inchoate. Sentience is valid how? Who has denied sentience?
A human is a human, no-one has queried the humanity of anyone: good and evil are morally defined.
Consider ‘thr’ above to be ‘any person’. This is about moral conditions and teh nature of evil, not individuals.
And just to remind all of you what a good blog looks like without substandard trollspoiler comments at all hours of the day and night, have another glance at this one, where a reason may emerge why Syria felt it had to shut down the whole internet for some time. To stop people telling the outside world what’s going on, or to stop Anonymous from spilling the beans on weapons supplies to Hamas in Gaza?
Will this help?
Kant believed that ‘good or evil always implies a reference to the will.’
FWIW and JFTR, I think FDB was OK and should visit ASAP,IMHO.
Thank you, Tal. Same to you.
“[I'm nipping this THR discussion in the bud. Sinc]”
You missed a few.
Look, he wasn’t evil. He was just a guy. Yes, he had sympathies to Marxism, but had not described himself in that way in several years; I don’t think he ever endorsed Lenin, Stalin, etc… If you can find a link to any place where he endorsed communism, post it.
Also, he was really here to debate, and although profoundly wrong on many things, would put up a hell of a fight. It was actually kinda fun to have a toe-to-toe knock-down argument with a leftist who could stand their ground. You couldn’t slip or he’d be all over you.
Also, you have to give people latitude, because that’s the only way that change can occur.
The title of the place is “Catallaxy.” look it up.
You missed a few.
Hit refresh a few times – I have deleted several comments.
dd,
“the crooked timber of humanity’
Thanks Jarrah x
Vell, Zaphod’s just zis guy, you know?
I’m sorry that THR and FDB have chosen to leave and/or not participate in the general discussion.
Really? huh, never been called eccentric before, cool !
Great. It was Moriarty vs. Holmes. And I thought Catallaxy had been redefined by the Macquarie to mean sensibly conservative with a solid grounding in economics.
L L 6.39 Thanks for the tip off will follow up.
I have opened up a new open thread.
This is just bizzare.
monty is defending people with the most vile ideologies (because the possums have humanity, whilst wishing death upon millions) under the cloak of “centrism” & “institutionalism” and goes on, calling us extremists for saying Gillard ought to answer questions about her time at Slater and Gordon and that perhaps the NBN is a failure.
Numbers gets away with calling people who buy centre fire rifles “wankers or murderers” and by implication, insults whole swathes of society.
Strike the root, Sinclair.
I’m sorry that SteveC and Monty have chosen not to leave and will continue to piss into, sorry, precipitate into the general discussion.
numbers is a hard core troll. Every comment by numbers is a waste of pixels.
Yep.
Yes, that’s why he finally got banned elsewhere. He’d just troll and troll until he’d got enough people agitated enough to snap back, then he’d run to his own blog and feature screencaps of the “AREN’T THEY ALL JUST TOO MEEEEAAAAN TO ME?!” genre. There’s just something more pathological about that one than the m0ntys and steves combined.
I’m glad m0nty’s mate, whatisname, the diehard white supremacist, is gone, and a few of the blatant blow-in trollers, but I have to admit to missing some of the Lefties who’d at least provide a good debate, not just either go all passive-agressive or stupid, or go stalking home with his prize of mean ol’ meany conservatives! screencaps.
I’ve fled other blogs where he’s destroyed interesting debates by his spiteful interjections, usually unrelated to the main topic, including insults and name-calling and making sure at some point his military service is introduced. I’ve always treated Vietnam vets with utmost respect but in the numerical one’s case I make an exception. He just a poisonous mental midget with a big mouth and inability to cogently present an argument.
As sdog points out, there’s something seriously pathological and downright creepy about his online spewing.
Mk50, hopefully people around here will think twice before throwing around words like animals or “paleosimians” to describe human beings they disagree with in future.