Open Forum: December 1, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: December 1, 2012

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I remind of someone that you know…

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:02 am
wHAT!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:02 am
Chicka chicka mow mow!

Abu Chowdah

1 Dec 12 at 12:03 am
Jeez, you have to be quick.

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 12:04 am
Oh yeah real mature.

Ooh Honey Honey

1 Dec 12 at 12:04 am
He is is first shall be last, and he who is last shall be first.

Fleeced

1 Dec 12 at 12:22 am
And he who has absofuckinglutely nothing to say shall be roughly ….. here.

wreckage

1 Dec 12 at 12:24 am
He is is first shall be last

This maketh no sense.

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:27 am
gee I’m top 10

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:27 am
Shame about SfB I don’t mind him, but others obviously have issues.

I commented at his blog today. I think maybe I’m the first.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:29 am
Shame about SfB I don’t mind him, but others obviously have issues.

I commented at his blog today. I think maybe I’m the first.

PLEASE DITCHETH TEH YOUTHFULL NAIVETAH!

OR ELSE!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:32 am
They’re like tobacco company executives who know – they know from their own research – that they’re killing people. But they’re making out like bandits doing it, so why change?

The more the CAGW people compare me to tobacco companies I like smokes companies more.

Am I the only one?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:33 am
Full quote:

There will never be enough evidence to justify the precautionary principle for these people. The profiteers I can understand, even admire in a way. They’re like tobacco company executives who know – they know from their own research – that they’re killing people. But they’re making out like bandits doing it, so why change? If everything did turn pear-shaped they’ll have the resources to secure a privileged and comfortable existence for themselves. Their sort always have.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:34 am
This maketh no sense.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, newest comments shall be listed first”
– The Bible… somewhere at the back

Fleeced

1 Dec 12 at 12:35 am
The newer bit Fleeced?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:37 am
“Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, newest comments shall be listed first”

Oh Joy – bring on those legendary, unanticipated, perverse unincentives…

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:37 am
It will be recalled by the capacious of memory that a week ago today site wrongologist Monty breathlessly posted the following:

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has been accused of trying to do the job of the Victorian parliamentary inquiry into child abuse, as he seeks access to court material.

Source: the ABC. Lawyers accuse Pell of meddling in abuse inquiry.

I responded thus:

Pell’s lawyers say he is entitled to know the dates and details about an accusation that he was present during the revelation of a Christian Brother’s crime when he says he was actually overseas at the time. Why would they be afraid of providing those details I wonder.

Today the Age reports: Pell gets access to parts of paedophile trial transcript.

A JUDGE has granted Cardinal George Pell access to select passages from the transcript of the trial of convicted paedophile and Catholic brother Robert Charles Best.

So the judge agrees with Cardinal Pell.

Cardinal Pell and his lawyers were right.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:37 am
Or else

Rabz?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:39 am
It will be recalled by the capacious of memory that a week ago today site wrongologist Monty breathlessly posted the following:

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has been accused of trying to do the job of the Victorian parliamentary inquiry into child abuse, as he seeks access to court material.

Source: the ABC. Lawyers accuse Pell of meddling in abuse inquiry.

I responded thus:

Pell’s lawyers say he is entitled to know the dates and details about an accusation that he was present during the revelation of a Christian Brother’s crime when he says he was actually overseas at the time. Why would they be afraid of providing those details I wonder.

Today the Age reports: Pell gets access to parts of p==d0-phile trial transcript.

A JUDGE has granted Cardinal George Pell access to select passages from the transcript of the trial of convicted p==d0-phile and Catholic brother Robert Charles Best.

So the judge agrees with Cardinal Pell.

Cardinal Pell and his lawyers were right.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:45 am
Or else

You’ll find yourself on a Dream Date with mUttley, the steves and the spudpeeler…

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:46 am
It will be recalled by the capacious of memory that a week ago today site wrongologist Monty breathlessly posted the following:

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has been accused of trying to do the job of the Victorian parliamentary inquiry into child abuse, as he seeks access to court material.

Source: the ABC. Lawyers accuse Pell of meddling in abuse inquiry.

I responded thus:

Pell’s lawyers say he is entitled to know the dates and details about an accusation that he was present during the revelation of a Christian Brother’s crime when he says he was actually overseas at the time. Why would they be afraid of providing those details I wonder.

Today the Age reports: Pell gets access to parts of p== __ phile trial transcript.

A JUDGE has granted Cardinal George Pell access to select passages from the transcript of the trial of convicted p——–e and Catholic brother Robert Charles Best.

So the judge agrees with Cardinal Pell.

Cardinal Pell and his lawyers were right.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:46 am
Forbidden page.

403 error. In Japanese.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:48 am
It will be recalled by the capacious of memory that a week ago today site wrongologist Monty breathlessly posted the following:

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has been accused of trying to do the job of the Victorian parliamentary inquiry into child abuse, as he seeks access to court material.

Source: the ABC. Lawyers accuse Pell of meddling in abuse inquiry.

I responded thus:

Pell’s lawyers say he is entitled to know the dates and details about an accusation that he was present during the revelation of a Christian Brother’s crime when he says he was actually overseas at the time. Why would they be afraid of providing those details I wonder.

Today’s Age: Pell gets access to parts of p== __ phile trial transcript.

A JUDGE has granted Cardinal George Pell access to select passages from the transcript of the trial of convicted p——–e and Catholic brother Robert Charles Best.

So the judge agrees with Cardinal Pell.

Cardinal Pell and his lawyers were right.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:49 am
So you’d agitate to ban me?

For merely stating I didn’t mind SfB?

Really?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:50 am
Walkley Awards – only West Aust., ABC and Fairfax exist, apparently. You’re not going to believe the story that won the gold for the journo….oh wait, yes you will.

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=821946

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 12:50 am
So you’d agitate to ban me?

Who is this comment aimed at?

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:52 am
You Rabz, you implied it in:

You’ll find yourself on a Dream Date with mUttley, the steves and the spudpeeler…

The link didn’t work.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:54 am
DaveF is in the mood for some righteous indignation and is prepared to misconstrue to get it

Fleeced

1 Dec 12 at 12:58 am
Mr Pennell also won the social equity journalism award, for the third time, for his feature ‘The untold story of the asylum boat tragedy’.

He’s a threefer.

Good on him. He’s a catch for any newspaper, he just brings the Walkley’s in when he does the interview.

And his conscience is clear. He’s advanced social justice at the same time.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 12:59 am
effs:

http://beitou.web.fc2.com/photooriginal2/areaguide2/7301.jpg

Load that into your browser, Squire!

And no, I did not advocate banning you.

However, that you would even suggest I did might constitute grounds…

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 12:59 am
Settle Fleeced. I just read it that way. I don’t look for blues.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:00 am
The ABC’s Leigh Sales won the award for broadcast and online interviewing for her interviews with Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison and Christine Milne.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. That if effing pathetic. Walkleys mean nothing these days.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:00 am
Gossip of the year:

Journalist Steve Pennells has won the industry’s top award, the gold Walkley, for news and feature articles in The West Australian newspaper.

Mr Pennells also won two other Walkleys on Friday night.

He won best scoop of the year for his story ‘Battle for billions’ about the legal battles between Gina Rinehart and her children.

Mr Pennell also won the social equity journalism award, for the third time, for his feature ‘The untold story of the asylum boat tragedy’.

Note: you can’t win Australia’s top journalism award unless you’re a member of the union and it satisfies the union’s idea of public interest.

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 1:03 am
hello? Testing, testing….is this thing on?

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:04 am
Nope, still didn’t load 403 error.

It’s an odd picture of something I take it.

You should use this.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:05 am
For his book The Australia Moment, politics presstitute george megalosaurus won the Wankley for long form non-journalism.

Hooray!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 1:06 am
Damn my selected link as an alternative for you Rabz was held up.

It’s a gem.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:09 am
You have to wonder how Larry Pickering ever won a Walkley. Must have been bagging a Coalition government at the time…

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 1:09 am
Gab, will you believe me next time I tell you it’s a beautiful day?

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 1:10 am
Hedley Thomas was up for 2. He should have got one?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:10 am
Masterclass in lefty ‘pox on both their houses’ from Michael Gordon in the Age – amazing to relate, that newspaper’s national editor:

Dirty politics stains the PM, Abbott and all of us.

The odd thing about this sighting of the ‘pox on both their houses’ is that the entire article is exclusively about the pox on Abbott’s house.

A snippet – so utterly delusional that it resembles a send-up of lefty journalism:

So, while Gillard’s defence that she acted in good faith, consistent with the practices of the time until she realised she had been conned, has not been punctured by anything that Abbott or Bishop (or resident Rumpole, George Brandis) have said, she has been damaged nonetheless.

Here is the very same Michael Gordon in October – sans moralising, brimming with admiration and excitement – assessing Gillard’s claim that Tony Abbott hates his wife, daughters and mother:

Sexism tirade shifts dynamics of bitter contest.

See that wasn’t “dirty politics” and it didn’t “stain” Gillard or “all of us.”

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:11 am
He also won the Walkley Award for Social Equity Journalism for his
feature article on the drowning victims of an asylum seeker tragedy – his
third Social Equity Walkley after claiming the Award in 2006 and 2009

Gold, gold, gold. Social Equity. Gold.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:13 am
Ah so desu ne, Tom!

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:14 am
Hedley should have received the gold for his story on that dam.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:16 am
Nah, hedley Thomas had 2 chances. Nope

Dead set it’s all the not for profit media.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:18 am
Social Equity Journalism

LOL.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:20 am
CL – you’re wasted here.

We all know you hate ‘them’ as much as we do – you can smash them with your prose and facts, with little effort.

Just get in there and do it, FFS.

If they serve even a day less in gubberment thanks to your efforts, it won’t have been wasted.

Procure a sinecure from Rupe and hurry up about it!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 1:24 am
NT News won the best headlines. It’s a given.

Best Three headings
Paul Dyer, NT News, “Eyeful tower”,
“Dogs of phwoarrr!” and “Why I stuck
a cracker up my clacker”.

I remember the story for the last one. The bloke says ” Well we had some boys coming in from Queensland…”

That’s all I needed to know.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:25 am
Hail the good policeman. The Commissioner is impressed.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:25 am
yeah, CL nice story that.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 1:26 am
Seconded, Rabz.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:29 am
No sinecures at Rupe’s anymore. How do you reckon you’d go at the ABC, CL?

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 1:31 am
Oh noes! Liberal ex-PMs are our most expensive ex-PMs:

Former PM John Howard’s flights, car use, office and telecommunications bills cost taxpayers $151,833 in the first six months of this year.

Scandalous! It’s costing us almost half as much to upkeep JWH as it did to pay for Peter Slipper’s gravy train:

DISGRACED former speaker Peter Slipper spent almost $100,000 on international travel in the space of six months as part of a $300,000 binge on the parliamentary purse.

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 1:33 am
Yes but ~~foreign minister~~ Kevin Rudd spent $350k on travel this year.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:35 am
A backbencher.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:36 am
Your too kind, Rabz.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:38 am
YOU’RE.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:39 am
I see, CL. So, by his lights, stating that a possible crime was a possible crime is despicable, but accusing a family man of a deep-seated pathological hatred of his children is clever politics.

FFS.

wreckage

1 Dec 12 at 1:39 am
A backbencher

What’s ours is his, Gab, evidently.

Animal equalitah and all that…

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 1:39 am
No. He’s not being kind, he’s just telling it like it is. Now go and get a job as a jounro you lazy so and so. Or at least submit a few posts for the Cat. Yes, I’m looking at you CL.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:42 am
You’re too kind, Rabz.

No I’m effing not, Squire, and you know it.

I just want our best troops in there, doing the most damage, with the least possible effort, toot sweet!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 1:43 am
Talent like yours should not be left to idle. I’ve a good mind to…*walks off muttering and grumbling into the night*

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 1:44 am
Could I please draw Sinc’s attention (again) to the fine piece written about our former Chief Statistician, Ian Castles:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/11/29/henderson-on-castles.html#comments

As I said at the Bishop’s:

Ian Castles was one of the most distinguished, and brightest, Australian public servants of the post war era. Under his guidance, the Australian Bureau of Statistics regularly was rated the best in the world, except when the Canadians sneaked in now and then. He was incorruptible, rigorous and courteous to boot. The contrast with his opponents could not be more stark.

It is fascinating to read how, by looking at the deficiencies in their own area of expertise, Castles and Henderson came to realise that the whole IPCC process was flawed – something which Donna Laframboise later documented in detail. It is also interesting to read about how, from initially being treated with professional respect and courtesy, people like Castles and Henderson became pariahs in the space of a few years. A number of distinguished scientists had similar experiences.

Many thanks Dr Henderson. And, why am I not surprised that Wikipedia downplays and edits Castles’ achievements?”

——–

That someone like Castles could be treated like a crank tells us all we have to know about the IPCC. Yet here we have clowns like Lewandowsky being taken seriously while comparative giants like Castles were marginalised and eventually excluded.

Sinc, I think a post on Ian Castles, who, with John Daly, are the Australian pioneers on uncovering the Great Global Warming Scam, is overdue.

johanna

1 Dec 12 at 1:53 am
Is the IPCC still headed by that porn novelist from the Indian railway department?

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:59 am
Sinc, I think a post on Ian Castles, who, with John Daly, are the Australian pioneers on uncovering the Great Global Warming Scam, is overdue.

Here’s a chance for the Currency Lad to reconfirm his chops.

You up for it, CL?

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 2:00 am
Sounds perfect for him, Rabz.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 2:07 am
Not really, Rabz. I’d have to research the whole topic.

Look, we all get to post to the site. It’s a great, humming place – with lots of smart and funny people. Though I will say I don’t recall it ever having been quite so beset with lefty squirrel-bots as it has been these past few months. This seems to be related to the winding up of Larvatus Prodeo and the blog of wrongology godfather, John Kwiggin. The asylum seekers want to let off steam: about Abbott, Pell, Jews, Abbott, Murdoch, Israel, Abbott, Bolt, et hoc genus omne.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 2:16 am
It’s ~~almost~~ Summer – hoo-bloody ray!

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 2:16 am
Masterclass in lefty ‘pox on both their houses’ from Michael Gordon in the Age

Oakes also resorted to the “a pox on both their houses” routine on Thursday. The last line of defence.

Ivan Denisovich

1 Dec 12 at 2:19 am
I’d have to research the whole topic.

At least you’d bother, unlike 99% of lamestream meeja wrongologists.

You have a stall in Rupe’s stable, Squire.

Recent events have transcended bullshit.

The people crave facts.

You know how to deliver them.

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 2:23 am
Ivan, Oakes also reels that off this morning (can’t be bothered linking it’s so pathetic and predictable). None of the zombies can bring themselves to acknowledge the permanent stench that’s now attached to Gillard’s leadership. But it works well that there’s no pressure to execute her, IMO.

Tom

1 Dec 12 at 2:28 am
Nice idea Rabz, but researching anything to do with global warming is like analysing the Loch Ness Monster’s breakfast habits.

Infidel Tiger

1 Dec 12 at 2:34 am
I’m handy with research

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 2:54 am
CL would be great as a regular opinion writer but I would hate to lose his continued presence at the Cat. He is a jewel in Cat’s crown.

dover_beach

1 Dec 12 at 5:26 am
I applaud the rather belated ditching of SfB, whose irritating carry on ad nauseum devalued this blog on a daily basis.
I also take issue with dd comment on the previous open forum to the effect that commenters here dished out abuse to him, to monty, and others, as if this is some sort of double standard on our part. I refer dd to the house rules on trolls.
Observing the way these guys come here purely in order to be vexatious, seem to constantly take pleasure in that, and seeing that abuse doesn’t deter them, banning after a suitable trial period is the only effective form of discipline you have.
Perhaps a few bannings to show that it can and will happen, followed by a system whereby a yellow card is issued to pull them back into line before it gets to the really stupid stage we’ve been at for months now, is the way to go. They’ve felt invulnerable due to the fairly indulgent guidlines.
The abuse dished out is or was the only response available. It will diminish as the need recedes. Quoting it as some sort of quid pro quo is downright palestinian.

Blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 7:29 am
I also take issue with dd comment on the previous open forum to the effect that commenters here dished out abuse to him, to monty, and others, as if this is some sort of double standard on our part. I refer dd to the house rules on trolls.
Observing the way these guys come here purely in order to be vexatious, seem to constantly take pleasure in that, and seeing that abuse doesn’t deter them, banning after a suitable trial period is the only effective form of discipline you have.

It is a double standard.

Frankly I have no problem with banning people simply for being trolls. That was, after all, Bird’s crime. He simply disrupted discussion to the point that we all ended up talking about nothing but fractional reserve, pyramids, seasteading, and so on, regardless of the actual post. In Steve’s case, he would relentlessly drag the topic back to climate science, and more lately has moved on to abortion and a couple of other things.

But if that’s the reason, then say so. Don’t make excuses and pretend it’s for another reason, like, oooh, saying mean things.

Because, and here’s the rub, I waged a bit of a campaign recently to clean the place up, and to encourage a bit of civility. I got the collective middle finger. Okay, fine. But don’t then turn around and complain because someone said something nasty to you, when the real reason you want them banned is because they support Labor and/or are a troll.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 8:01 am
In a convoluted piece Jonathon Jones of the Guardian (of course) connects the red tide to glowball warming

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/30/sea-of-red-algae

And concludes with:

Extreme weather does not just happen, it is connected with the melting of the Arctic and warming of the seas. Human action is destabilising global temperatures. The same year that saw a record polar melt has also witnessed Hurricane Sandy, and wild rains in Britain. Of course it’s all connected. A certain kind of scepticism is now a threat to reason, for those who dismiss the idea that one hurricane means a global climate crisis are the voices of wilful blindness.

Cohenite posts that AGW as science is dead, but the religion is with us forever, I fear.

Biota

1 Dec 12 at 8:06 am
Let international law rule in the Middle East.

Time for Israel to annex the West Bank

http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-one-state-solution.html

geoffff

1 Dec 12 at 8:20 am
First of December.
First day of Summer.
And it’s Saturday.

kae

1 Dec 12 at 9:16 am
I have constantly asked for banning for the troll reason, to no avail. Supporting Labor? Well, I used to do that myself, and if someone has genuine reasons to do so, fine. But these days that’s getting to be a difficult brief to take on and still appear sane.
Endless and mindless sloganiferous shilling for the current regime while also being a vexatious spoiler troll has never been a good look, and will always be a sufficient reason for banning in order to maintain the conversation at a more useful and less repetitive level of IQ.
Numbers, xevram, even the relatively good-natured but probably beyond salvation thread polluter monty are all on my list. Jarrah I tend to ignore, although I’m sure he’s on other people’s lists.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 9:25 am
the social equity journalism award

I think I’m going to be sick.

jrm

1 Dec 12 at 9:32 am
He is is first shall be last

It doesn’t matter who starts the Internet each day.
It’s who finishes it that matters.
See you at the end …. Try to keep up.

Leigh Lowe

1 Dec 12 at 9:50 am
CL:

Cardinal Pell and his lawyers were right.

He nearly always is. Splendid man, the Cardinal.

I do just wish that he’d better understand the worst of his enemies (the slavering dogs of the presstitute media) in order to be more effective against them.

The classic was that moronic female presstitute with the sanctity of the confessional question. The Cardinal answered properly ‘no change there’, she pressed him to restate what it is (seeking a ‘gotcha grab’ for the editor and actually saying as much) and the Cardinal obliged.

Not a good move, really. The presstitute got her ‘gotcha grab’ and it was used as such with the usual biased editing.

A much better response from the Cardinal would have been ‘Everyone knows that the sanctity of the confessional has been in place for well over a thousand years and is a foundation-stone of our culture’.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 10:18 am
Emily’s Listers meet to discuss the smear and slease accusations against one of their sisters

Splatacrobat

1 Dec 12 at 10:20 am
SfB’s been banned?

That’s a bit rough. He’s as mentally unwell as most leftwing fanatics but I always felt with our guidance he could tread the path to redemption.

If he requires a character reference I’ll give him one.

Infidel Tiger

1 Dec 12 at 10:21 am
Bolt links to a piece by Kenny who has it exactly right.

We have seen simply daily jousting in a contest chosen by the opposition but framed by Labor spin…

How else to explain the relentless focus on the legitimate but transparent opposition tactic of having Julie Bishop rather than Abbott lead the attack?

I can’t believe how relentlessly the press gallery and the ABC spin this whole thing for Labor. They seem to be spilling out the same stupid talking points that one imagines got whispered to them in a phone call from a Labor operative.

It makes me wonder how intelligent they are. I don’t say that as a joke; it’s extremely disappointing. One stupid journalist, I could understand, but they all seem to be stupid. These people really seem incapable of looking past the Labor spin, and joining even the most elementary dots in the AWU picture puzzle.

They have been declaring for well over a year that the AWU scandal is a storm in a teacup and now over.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 10:27 am
oops link to bolt here, Kenny here.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 10:29 am
They’re not stupid, dd. They unethical.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 10:36 am
I always felt with our guidance he could tread the path to redemption.

You left off the /sarc tag IT. He’s had plenty of time to show some potential for redemption, and failed.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 10:51 am
Time for Israel to annex the West Bank

So they should. Jordan “annexed” it off them in the first place. Allowing a larger version of Gaza to develop there is a non-starter. The Arabs will not ever agree to recognise and respect Israel, and the two-state solution is doomed to failure because of the dysfunctional islamic ME character – in evidence pretty much right across the various territories, all the way from north Africa to, well, India.
What “Palestinians” (no such state ever) really want is a one-state solution, theirs, with no Jews, no Israel, but the charades continue unabated while the world debates endlessly and meaninglessly this whole fiasco.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 10:58 am
They’re not stupid, dd. They unethical.

Though it’s likely that a fair few are, indeed, stupid (it’s not like you have to be smart to go to university these days) I think most of the rest have been brainwashed by the education system, starting at 1st class if not earlier.

jrm

1 Dec 12 at 11:09 am
Schoolies are heading for Bali to escape Australia’s oppressive wall-to-wall culture of “you can’t do that”:

”Queensland has too many rules,” says Erin Barnett, 17, of Bacchus Marsh, Victoria.

”The police are everywhere and you can’t drink on certain parts of the beach.”

”There’s more to do here and it’s cheaper to do it and there’s less rules,” says Callum, 18, who did not want to give a last name. He is in Bali with 17 mates from Brisbane Water Secondary College on the central coast, one of many large groups.

During the day they’ll go snorkelling, bungy jumping, or to the Safari and Marine Park. But at night, ”you can be hammered on the street and walking around”.

Under-age drinking is illegal in Bali but the restriction is never enforced.

This is also a dominant sentiment up in travel forums about why young people hate Australia and want to escape it. Unfortunately, toolies follow the schoolies, which provides the Fairfax headline.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:11 am
More bad news for the ALP: to win the next federal election, they need 51.5% TPP.

With less than a year to go, any thought they can turn it around from their present 47.2% to 51.5% is fanciful.

2dogs

1 Dec 12 at 11:33 am
Michael Smith has uncovered some interesting documents on Gillard’s Socialist Forum’ past and Andrew Bolt has also commented on it on his blog but as usual Andrew has not joined all the dots to make the connection between SF, the Fabian Society and that group’s economic policies known as Keynesianism.

Indeed few have, come to think of it, and in that sense one has to admire the political skills of Gillard and her colleagues – they certainly have gulled the media to a tee, and the rest of us are braying over climate change, AWU shenanigans and other trivialities.

I can tell you from personal experience from dealing with some of the guvmint departments in the mining sector that our activities are slowly being regulated to an impossible degree – where the shortest time is spent actually doing mineral exploration and the rest is involved in complying with the OS&H and Environmental regulations. It’s communism without the guns, or Fabian socialism in other words.

It’s a pity that so many are so dismissive of the Fabians as a polite debating society, instead of the political movement it actually is.

Glowball Vorming policy is nothing but a feint to obscure the implementation of an energy-based exchange system to replace “money”. It has nothing to do with mitigating the climate but all about changing the political climate. That’s what the carbon tax is about – not to line bankster’s pockets but to form the basis of the Fabian goal by eliminating money. Eliminate money you also eliminate wealth and hence inequality. The exchange medium will then be based on carbon credits. It will take time, but these people actually believe that capitalism will transmute into socialism over time, and are doing their bit to make sure it happens, by making sure it slowly evolves in that direction.

Gillard’s goal is a socialist Australia – and she is well on the way of achieving it, for most of her cabinet are also Fabians, and as they never had any issues with incorporating the SF, it will not take too much analysis to work out what their political goals are.

This should be of interest to the Cats because once you debase the money supply and replace it with carbon credits etc, then the science of economics becomes redundant.

Louis Hissink

1 Dec 12 at 11:38 am
Tom – what the hell is a toolie??

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 11:52 am
Marko, toolies are twentysomething males who prey on schoolgirls during end-of-year schoolies celebrations.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:55 am
Why is “toolie” not an ageist term?

Apparently if a young bloke (always a bloke – sexist!) takes a holiday at a time when school leavers are about, and they go to a usual holiday spot which has become popular with school leavers, then they are toolies.

For instance if you holidayed in Bali now, and maybe had sex with other consenting adults, you’d be a “toolie”.

Harold

1 Dec 12 at 11:57 am
It’s not stupidity per se, Dave. Journalists in this country are ethically, morally corrupt. Gillard is a left-wing woman and Abbott is the unapologetic Catholic traditionalist. (The media only accepts cowardly, apologetic Catholics like Fr Bob). Slushgate must therefore be swept aside and covered up at all costs.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 11:59 am
Schoolies are heading for Bali to escape Australia’s oppressive wall-to-wall culture of “you can’t do that”:

You know what really bugs me about the coverage of schoolies week, is the focus on so-called ‘toolies.’ ie older guys (sometimes not much older than the schoolies themselves – I’ve seen news reports referring to a man in his late 20s as a toolie) who hang around schoolies week hoping to get laid. This is moral handwringing, pure and simple.

Make a choice people. Either schoolies are adults, or they’re not.

If they’re adults, then they can make their own mistakes. If they’re not adults, then don’t let them out without an adult chaperone.

If ‘schoolies’ are annoyed, disgusted, or inconvenienced by older men who would like to hit on the young women, then sorry girls but that’s life. If it’s really bugging you, then lobby to have the age of consent raised, because then we can round those blokes up on legitimate breaches of the law. Until then it’s just another exercise in moral grandstanding.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 12:01 pm
CL would be great as a regular opinion writer but I would hate to lose his continued presence at the Cat. He is a jewel in Cat’s crown.
dover_beach at 5:26 am

At least a diamanté in his collar.

Anne

1 Dec 12 at 12:03 pm
How did Hedley Thomas miss out on a Walkley?

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 12:05 pm
I think that’s right, Mark. Pell is a hopelessly naive media performer. Like Abbott and others, he seems to think that if he accepts invitations to speak to journalists or appear on shows like Q&A, reporters will cut him some slack, afford him some grudging respect and finally see what a nice and fair guy he is. Of course, no matter what he says or does, this will never happen.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:06 pm
Glowball Vorming policy is nothing but a feint to obscure the implementation of an energy-based exchange system to replace “money”. It has nothing to do with mitigating the climate but all about changing the political climate. That’s what the carbon tax is about – not to line bankster’s pockets but to form the basis of the Fabian goal by eliminating money. Eliminate money you also eliminate wealth and hence inequality.

You are describing the UN’s Agenda 21, and its coming to a local authority near you. Many of its objectives are already implemented, starting with the tax on carbon. Keating signed up to this in 1992 along with 177 other countries. It purports to control every aspect of human existence through social justice and environmental sustainability. You know, for our own good because we’re all too stupid. For example:

D) Adopting a national strategy for sustainable development

8.7. Governments, in cooperation, where appropriate, with international organizations, should adopt a national strategy for sustainable development based on, inter alia, the implementation of decisions taken at the Conference, particularly in respect of Agenda 21. This strategy should build upon and harmonize the various sectoral economic, social and environmental policies and plans that are operating in the country. The experience gained through existing planning exercises such as national reports for the Conference, national conservation strategies and environment action plans should be fully used and incorporated into a country-driven sustainable development strategy. Its goals should be to ensure socially responsible economic development while protecting the resource base and the environment for the benefit of future generations. It should be developed through the widest possible participation. It should be based on a thorough assessment of the current situation and initiatives.

For those who think this is still a conspiracy theory, go read and weep ->

Oblique

1 Dec 12 at 12:10 pm
oops … link

Oblique

1 Dec 12 at 12:11 pm
dd in The Age’s Bali article guys who are 21-22 are considered toolies!

Harold

1 Dec 12 at 12:13 pm
That AWU slushgate story is sure making its mark (Roy Morgan):

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has increased her lead as preferred Prime Minister (49%, up 4% since September 2012) over Opposition Leader Tony Abbott (36%, down 1%)
..
“Even more worryingly for Opposition Leader Abbott is that a record high 63% (up 3% since September 2012) of electors disapprove of Abbott’s handling of the job as Opposition Leader compared to a record low 28% (down 4%) that approve. In contrast, Gillard’s job approval has improved in recent months with 42% (up 2%) of electors approving of her handling of the job as Prime Minister compared to 48% (down 3%) that disapprove — despite the higher disapproval, this is Gillard’s best ‘net job approval’ since February 2011.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 12:13 pm
Thanks Tom.

And what DD said.

Twenty-something blokes going out to where a bunch of legal-age-drinking-and-non-gaolbait girls are partying and at least occasionally looking to get laid – this is a problem why?

Sounds like King’s Cross/Fortitude valley/Civic/that street in Melbourne I can never remember every night of the week. Only with less Rohypnol and fewer murderers.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 12:13 pm
And a nice chart to illustrate the above.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
‘But at night, ”you can be hammered on the street and walking around”’.

And treat the locals like s**t, I’ve seen it. I reckon there were more than a few Balinese who thought ‘serves ‘em right’ after the 2002 bombings!

Des Deskperson

1 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
Mk50, except many of the school leavers are 17.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 12:15 pm
Free speech now illegal in the US:

Firefighter fired for Obama toilet paper.

A US firefighter has been sacked for putting toilet paper imprinted with President Barack Obama’s face in a fire station restroom [toilet]…

But black activists in the city saw it differently, appearing in force at Tuesday’s City Commission meeting to express dismay at what they saw as Pierce’s disrespectful, offensive and racist actions, and to call for his dismissal.

“If you don’t know what it means, I’m going to break it down to you very gently and very nice,” Carlene Duncan said.

“It means ‘we will wipe our butt with your face,’ and that’s not very nice. That’s very disrespectful to our president.

“(Pierce) needs to be fired, and that is just the bottom line.”

The toilet paper appeared in a Pompano Beach Fire Station restroom on October 19 and Pierce admitted putting it there as a “gag”, city records show.

He had earlier placed a bumper sticker that “did not cast the president in a positive light” on his locker and had a coffee mug with a picture of the president portrayed as a clown.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:16 pm
this is a problem why?

And also, Mark, if no schoolie girl ever hooked up with a toolie, ever, there would be no toolies.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 12:18 pm
Could I also recommend reading the link at Bishop Hill that johanna gives above by Dr Henderson’s talk on Ian Castles.

Meanwhile in the real world of leading edge research in Climate Science, Dr Ben Newell (Associate Professor of Cognitive Psychology UNSW) at the Conversation directs us to the ……

Reinforced Theistic Manifest Destiny Theory

GrantB

1 Dec 12 at 12:18 pm
That AWU slushgate story is sure making its mark (Roy Morgan):

Approval ratings are a bit silly and hard to interpret. The weirdest thing about that survey is that they did not report any 2-party-preferred result, which is really the key question. Did they ask it?

also, at the top:

This special telephone Morgan Poll was conducted over the last three nights of November 27-29, 2012, with an Australia-wide cross section of 523 electors

That’s a pretty small sample.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 12:21 pm
SteveC, if they’re in Bali they’ve embarked on an international holiday.

And talk about hypocrites, look at the photos provided at The Age under this article, and they use the headline “School’s out, Bali’s in, toolies eye the pool“.

The Age shows close-up photos of underage girls* parading in G-strings, they’re worried about girls being exploited.

* Or their not underage? Make up your mind.

Harold

1 Dec 12 at 12:22 pm
Blame Gab.

Sinclair Davidson

1 Dec 12 at 12:34 pm
Harold’s link:

TESTOSTERONE wafts off Shane Goodhew and his three shirtless mates in palpable waves.

Usually you’d have to say the (male) reporter sounded excited but this is the Age – where testosterone is more or less prohibited.

They are toolies – men in their 20s who are in Bali this week to muscle in, literally, to the annual schoolies celebration. They are on the hunt for 17- and 18-year-old girls.

Goodhew, almost 21…

So Goodhew – himself a kid – is on the hunt for 17 and 18 year-old ‘girls.’

I’M SHOCKED! The Royal Commission clearly needs to expand its terms of reference to include 20 year-old males after 18 year-old females.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:35 pm
Blame Gab.

Huh? For what now?

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 12:36 pm
Blame Gab

That goes without saying.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 12:38 pm
Well you’d better say it so that I’m clued in at least, DD.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 12:40 pm
… and Candy too.

Sinclair Davidson

1 Dec 12 at 12:43 pm
dd for a population size of more than approx 20k and the usual alpha of 0.05 (95% confidence interval) a sampling calculator gives a sample size of 385. I don’t know what their sampling methodology is (eg population stratification) but 523 should be a statistically valid sample.

GrantB

1 Dec 12 at 12:44 pm
Mk50, except many of the school leavers are 17.

What is the age of consent in Indonesia?

Sinclair Davidson

1 Dec 12 at 12:47 pm
In Indonesia the national age of consent for heterosexual sexual activity is 19 years for males and 16 years for females.[28] The age of consent for homosexuals is 18. In 2002, the Indonesian Government gave Aceh province the right to introduce Islamic sharia, albeit only to Muslim residents. Sharia gives no restrictions on age at marriage, and defines 9 as the minimum age for consummation, in accordance with the Qur’an and the example set by Muhammad. Fifty two regions have since enacted sharia law from the Qur’an, which criminalizes homosexuality.

Now, what are you blaming me for, Sinclair?

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 12:52 pm
Steve was banned, hey?

When did that happen?

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 12:55 pm
Congratulations to Leigh Sales – awarded by her peers for attacking Tony Abbott.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 1:00 pm
When did that happen?

Several years later than it should have.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 1:03 pm
DD, you might want to know that Steve.C is being a tad selective about what he is quoting from the Morgan Poll.

A Lurker

1 Dec 12 at 1:19 pm
SteveC, even that ol’ Mumble guy will tell you that Newspoll’s “preferred PM” figures in the lead-up to the 1996 election had Keating ahead of Howard.
And you must be so proud of how Gillard’s figures have been achieved, with a compliant and uncritical mass of scribes doing their level best to avoid the issue altogether, while applauding her own vicious negativity so much on display. Your role as a determined and vigorous shill is noted, and only IT might have a hope for your redemption (/sarc).
But, getting back to the case study, the two-party preferred had been indicating a Labor loss for some time. That’s what counts. In the end it was not as huge a margin as Fraser enjoyed (55), but pretty substantial at 45 seats.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 1:22 pm
Congratulations to Leigh Sales – awarded by her peers for attacking Tony Abbott.

She spoke Truth to Power.
Because Tony Abbott is in power. Her takedown of Julia Gillard was particularly devastating, particularly when she nailed her on her multiple, hypocritical changes on border policy – including actions that she previously described as immoral – and the unconscionable so-called Malaysia swap. She eviscerated her on Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper. The time she had Gillard on the ropes over the skyrocketing national debt was awesome, especially when she dismissed the standard Labor debt-to-GDP excuse with a couple of deft one-liners. And quizzing Gillard on the carbon tax? A thing of beauty.

But devastating in itself, it wasn’t enough for Sales. She skewered the PM on her shady past associations with dodgy union officials, extremist societies, and lambasted her for shutting down dissenting opinion. On the question of journalists losing their jobs for reporting on the AWU scandal, Sales just wouldn’t let go.

“Free speech is nothing, wouldn’t you say, Ms Prime Minister, if it isn’t the right to criticise the most powerful people in the land?”

Gillard’s floundering, stammering response has gone down in history as one of the most convincing ‘ownings’ on national TV.

So yes, she spoke truth to power and deserved every bit of the award.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 1:24 pm
The historical view indicates that large coalition wins are achieved despite there being little support for them from the masto media (you know, the wankley crowd), but slim to just adequate wins by Labor are achieved only with the tailwind of msm partisanship.
Our democracy suffers from an excess of this rubbish. But the constant calls are not for (as Bunyip pointed out) closer adherence to their stated ethical stance, but for ways of controlling outcomes that they think will serve the cause.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 1:30 pm
dd, are you sure about all that?

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 1:33 pm
dd, are you sure about all that?

That was the devastating Gillard interview that took place only in my imagination.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 1:43 pm
That Age report was pathetic, truly pathetic.

- the kids are well behaved
- there’s little drunkenness
- the (very ugly and be-tatted) 20-yr old ‘toolies’ went home alone
- the girls are trusted to behave well by their parents: and DO behave well

But (shock-horror!) the traffic is a bit more dangerous than Australia.

Wow. Give that presstitute a walkley

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
Dry, DD, very dry. Tongue firmly in cheek, I see.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 1:47 pm
Discombobulated drunk, Nancy Pelosi, wants Obama to have the unilateral power to increase the debt limit to infinity.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 2:02 pm
Regarding the papers from the Socialist Forum that Michael Smith has posted, there are some familiar names. I remember Sue Mountford from my Telstra days, back in the 80s. She was a CPSU official.

A quick google has her still listed as being with the CPSU even in 2009.

Now that’s what I call tenure, and as someone who worked in the union office for a week way back then, the remuneration was great.

Must be even better now.

(Yes, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I was a shop stupid for the CPSU. I gave it up when I got a job in management because I felt it would be a conflict of interest.)

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 2:03 pm
dd 10:27 am

It makes me wonder how intelligent they are. I don’t say that as a joke; it’s extremely disappointing. One stupid journalist, I could understand, but they all seem to be stupid. These people really seem incapable of looking past the Labor spin, and joining even the most elementary dots in the AWU picture puzzle.

Oh, I agree with this! They must be stupid. Or just shilling for the ALP.

What has happened to journalists and reporters (and even talking heads on tv programs), that they all defend the ALP no matter what? Everything if not dripping with ALP bias is tinged with it.

Belive me, not much is only tinged!

kae

1 Dec 12 at 2:10 pm
Those Age photos are revealing, either they are super selective or there are 3 girls for every guy.

Thanks Beach Boys – I can’t remember which song, however.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 2:11 pm
Gab – speaking up for Steve.

Sinclair Davidson

1 Dec 12 at 2:12 pm
‘Thanks Beach Boys – I can’t remember which song, however’

Not Beach Boys: Jan and Dean, ‘Surf City’

Des Deskperson

1 Dec 12 at 2:16 pm
Surf City here we come.

Yup, thanks Des.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 2:18 pm
This is a couple of years old but I only found it. Very awesome.

1984 v Brave New World which one was more predictive. In cartoon style. Awesome.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 2:36 pm
Peter van Onselen: A Pox On Both Their Houses!

And this is another example of APOBTH II: the focus (beyond a few pars) is exclusively the pox on Tony Abbott’s house.

You might think the following is a typo and that van Onselen got the two names mixed up and out of place… But you’d be wrong.

Yes seriously:

It will be interesting to see if Abbott’s serious misstep registers with voters, or if (as I suspect is likelier) attitudes towards the PM are so entrenched that the opposition gets away with its mistakes.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 2:37 pm
Very interesting pick-up by Richard North on some perverse incentives at play in the UK’s very dubious epidemic of local councils seizing and fostering out kids, that his friend Christopher Booker regularly rails against in the UK Sunday Tele.

Apart from what is now apparent that the PC child protection Stasi will yank your kids if they don’t like your politics ( anything right of Leninism apparently ), it would appear fuel on the fire comes from the good old monetary incentive:

…the National Fostering Agency, set up by two former social workers in 1995, was sold earlier this year to venture capitalists Graphite for an eye-watering £130 million – and that is only the UK’s second biggest private fostering business.

If venture capital will pay 130 million quid to buy into fostering, because of their stout commitment to social wellbeing of kids <cough), you don't have to be a genius to see where this is going.

Myrddin Seren

1 Dec 12 at 2:40 pm
Time to look at refugees again…….

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 2:40 pm
perverse incentives at play in the UK’s very dubious epidemic of local councils seizing and fostering out kids

The essential problem with Britain is that the bureaucracy is running the show. They have total organisational capture. The politicians dare not change anything lest their be riots on the streets, strikes, and protests.
Look at the steady stream of news items coming out of Britain. people get arrested for expressing free speech; some kid even got arrrestd for making fun of an athlete on twitter. The police don’t enforce the law; state surveillance everywhere; children taken from their parents for having incorrect or unacceptable opinions; you name it. Meanwhile the British economy continues to decline and crime increases.

The place seems to be run by people who thought “Yes-Minister” was a how-to manual. It is a case study in what happens when the bureaucracy takes charge. The governments change but policians can only do so much against the mighty inertia of the machinery of state.

Barry O’Farrell, take note.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 2:50 pm
The Age shows close-up photos of underage girls* parading in G-strings, they’re worried about girls being exploited.

Very hypocritical… though they don’t look (legally) underaged.

Fleeced

1 Dec 12 at 2:53 pm
Myrrdin, I imagine the UK is similar to here as far as financing foster kids go. The amounts paid per child are very high, I recall a figure of $300 a week but I could be wrong.

So I’d guess the venture capitalists are looking to coupon clip those payments. Money for jam.

On a similar note I know the government provides X amount of homecare for frail older people. The old person contacts a private provider and when approved they supply the worker for the requisite hours. The worker is paid $22 and the government pays $40 to the provider.

A girl I know was doing this and found out about the $40 amount. She fronted them and was increased to $30 p/h without a murmur. Money for jam.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 2:56 pm
Dave

Totally agree your point – who knew “Yes Minister” was a warning as cogent as “1984″ ?

Richard North adds one more aspect to the situation of the implacable ‘machinery of state’, and that is the supra-national state of the EU.

Apparently the EU directive mill decides so much effective policy that the British bureaucracy are largely implementing Brussels’ directives and filling in the gaps the EU misses in terms of regulation of society.

We should probably credit North some insight on this, he and Booker ‘wrote the book‘ on the subject – well a book, anyway.

Which rather begs the question, apart from rorting their expenses and lecturing the Anglican church – what DO UK politicians effectively do ??

And what does it mean for Australia in due course ?

Myrddin Seren

1 Dec 12 at 3:00 pm
With a too powerful bureaucracy it appears lobby groups become more powerful.

They receive funding from the bureaucracy and use that to lobby same. Eventually it becomes fully captured and bingo it’s all lobby groups all the time.

The UK looks to be further doown that track than we are, however our ‘public health’ lobby groups seem more effective.

What to do? I’d start with cutting off the funding tap. No more ‘studies into the effect of……’ that provide these lobbyists with a bully pulpit. Frankly if society lacks a body of knowledge into the effects of smoking, drinking, fats and salt there is something very wrong.

Politicians sign off on submissions from the captured public servants. They are basically captured as well.

Did you know Peter Garrett was the only person in Cabinet who was against the pink batts debacle? Tellinly he was the Minister and because he wasn’t a professional polly he looked beyond the submissions and asked unvetted people what they thought. They made a good argument that it was a bad idea.

He was rolled in Cabinet.

TL;DR We’re screwed

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 3:16 pm
If venture capital will pay 130 million quid to buy into fostering, because of their stout commitment to social wellbeing of kids <cough), you don't have to be a genius to see where this is going.

WTF? 130 mill for a child foster centre. I’m guess the private equity vultures are expecting it to be a growth industry. Fme.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 3:24 pm
Tom – what the hell is a toolie??

I thought it was tradie and nothing to do with age. Toolie as in tools.
There was a radio report having police suggesting toolies should stay away from Lorne during the schoolie week.

This is fucking unbelievable.

The douchebqag cop who suggested that ought to be fired.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 3:29 pm
I thought toolies were those who hadn’t just finished school (of any age) who went to Schoolies and carried on like juvenile tools. (Thinking it was OK to carry on like an uncontrolled idiot because it would be blamed on the school leavers.)

kae

1 Dec 12 at 3:37 pm
Wow, California is slowly committing suicide and its done in public.

They are closing an oyster farm that supplies 40% of their oysters. 40%. It’s located in an area that became designated as a Marine Park.

40%.

They’re mad.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 3:43 pm
I thought it was tradie and nothing to do with age. Toolie as in tools.
There was a radio report having police suggesting toolies should stay away from Lorne during the schoolie week.

Right. And when did this ‘schoolies precinct’ they have up at Surfers start ? Seriously – we wall the kids off from the rest of the world in some type of Caligula’s palace of lame debauchery.

We get gayer by the year.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 3:44 pm
It’s located in an area that became designated as a Marine Park. 40%. They’re mad.

Reminds me of our own marine “parks” and influence (manipulation?) by vested interests.

No analysis is provided in relation to the geographic origin of the submissions because of the large proportion of submissions received via email for which there is little or no indication of place of origin. However it is known that most campaign submissions received in response to the Coral Sea reserve proposal were received from individuals residing outside Australia. For example, the AVAAZ Save Our Oceans 24 Hours campaign generated 385,695 submissions, of which 23,866 were from Australia.

(My emphasis)

Stakeholder groups providing submissions.

It appears volume, not reason, was the decider. Or perhaps the government knows only too well that green alliance interest groups mobilize en masse and always at the ready. In fact, the government counts on it for support; Cesar’s hands are therefore “clean”. Pfft.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 3:59 pm
kae

I think the definition of ‘toolie’ is morphing into an in/out group thing.

Daughter No.3 described some former classmates of Daughter No.2, who finished high school only last year, heading up to Surfers this year for the ‘rite of passage’ as toolies too.

And they can only be a year older than this year’s crop. It seems it is about the graduates ‘owning’ the event.

That being said – where there are young women – there will be men.

Myrddin Seren

1 Dec 12 at 4:04 pm
Gawd you people are out of touch.

Toolie – aka, tool. Tool, as in johnson, wang, one-eyed trouser snake. Usage ‘you’re a tool’.

A ‘toolie’ is anyone older than school age attending schoolies week in the hope of mixing with the actual school leavers. Generally it applies to older guys who are hoping to bag themselves some drunk 17 year old girl.

Nothing to do with tradies, that’s for sure.

I’ll agree that a roped-off, organised ‘where’s your wristband’ schoolies event is lame, lame, lame. Back in my day, you had to find a way to con an apartment owner into renting it to you, find someone old enough to stock it with booze, organise your fake ids to get into clubs and organise clandestine parties that wouldn’t tick off the building management, or worked out a way to bribe them. Double-plus points if you managed to organise this without parents clueing in. Which was much easier when Ch 9 didn’t have idiots standing on the beach interviewing ‘schoolies’.

Nowadays some clever billies actually packaged up the concept and sold it back to gullible families as ‘schoolies week’. The thing is practically a merchandising event worthy of Bernie Ecclestone. What’s the bet someone has even trademarked the name and organised sponsorship.

Of course now that it is so packaged within 10 years it will probably be dead, with the cool kids having found something else to do, well away from the ‘lame’ organised events.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 4:20 pm
When an industry does research it is assumed that it cannot be trusted and that their results are tainted by self-interest.

When activist groups (even those connected to governments) do research it is assumed that their results can be trusted because…well the aren’t in the industry so they must be objective.

So the likes of Greenpeace are permitted to say what they like to cripple a business, but if that business tries to defend itself with facts it is taken as further proof of their villainy.

Toiling Mass

1 Dec 12 at 4:22 pm
Oh, and ‘schoolies’ week means the week after school in Queensland where you go to the nearest coast with your friends, usually the gold coast.

Southerners who get together and shiver looking at Bass Strait in Victoria in some quaint fishing village can come up with their own name. They even do it in the wrong week. Unoriginal and lame.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 4:22 pm
On that chart Gab it shows 27% were Environment groups and 41% Community Groups.

Any idea what a Community Group is? Swimming Clubs? Rotary?

Everything else seems to be covered in the other categories.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 4:23 pm
Sorry, that is following on from a point raised by DaveF.

Toiling Mass

1 Dec 12 at 4:23 pm
Mark Baker, the editor-at-large of The Age newspaper, who has been reporting on the Prime Minister’s supposed embezzlement conspiracy theory in some detail, was the best man of Nick Styant-Browne, the disgruntled ex-partner at Slater & Gordon who has been talking up the controversy in recent times.

It’s from Slanderyou’s site so factual caution is advised.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 4:26 pm
>Did you know Peter Garrett was the only person in Cabinet who was against the pink batts debacle?

I actually think Lurch could have been a useful person in Australian politics. He was prepared to abandon his high-minded principles enough to join the Labor party instead of his natural home of the Greens. He isn’t a Trade Union apparatchik, and whether he admits to himself or not, he’s actually a capitalist. Even his time as environment minister he actually appeared to be listening to people. I’ll go so far as to say I think the trawler disaster in Tasmania probably wouldn’t have happened with him in charge. He would have moaned and put in strict conditions, but it would have been unlikely for him to torpedo it at the 11th hour.

He could have actually been useful – far more useful than the rest of the AWU dregs inhabiting the cabinet. But, like Rudd, he’s an outsider and hasn’t been in the rats nest of cross-shagging and bribing for the bast 25 years and so was about the only minister to walk the plank since the sorry lot was elected 5 years ago.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 4:27 pm
Curious about what happened to sfb I checked last weeks OT to find this.

I have also decided that Steve from Brisbane’s comments toward some of our female commenters are completely unacceptable.

Well it’s your call Sinclair, but I have to say that is fairly sexist. It would appear incredibly offensive comments by men to men and by women to men are acceptable, but far less offensive comments by men to women are somehow unacceptable, so unacceptable that they result in banning (not simply deletion)
That would seem to be in contrast to your own rule:
We will strive to maintain the most laissez faire comments policy on the web

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 4:28 pm
Yes I fully agree with you TM. These government funded lobbyists have a veneer of credibility because they aren’t the industry in question.

But they are hardly neutral. Just groups with an agenda.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 4:33 pm
Just realised I didn’t include the link to the Marine Parks page/

Not sure, DaveF, perhaps GetUp would be classed as a community group.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 4:34 pm
In that case 50% of the 41% would have been a cut & paste GetUp missive.

At around 9.30pm on a cold day in mid-September last year, something extremely exciting happened in the UK (albeit completely unnoticeable to all but a few operators in the National Grid’s control centre): wind power set a new all-time generation record of 3.98GW. “System demand” at the time was 34.9GW which meant that, for the first time in the UK’s history, the wind was meeting more than 10% of our total electricity demand, nearly 12% actually.

And at about 10.05pm it dropped back to it’s usual 1%.

Love the Guardian. Their writers are like the optimistic parents of a slow child. In spite of disappointments they keep up their hopes.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 4:45 pm
Well it’s your call Sinclair, but I have to say that is fairly sexist.

Stop whining SteveC.

So has the other steves been booted? Goodie.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 4:47 pm
Back in my day, you had to find a way to con an apartment owner into renting it to you, find someone old enough to stock it with booze, organise your fake ids to get into clubs and organise clandestine parties that wouldn’t tick off the building management, or worked out a way to bribe them.

Now that sounds cool. I went on a long road trip.

I blame the huge alternate music festivals like the Big Day Out for the organised gayification of the young. I gave up punk music in the early 90s because of that stuff.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 4:50 pm
SteveC it wasn’t just name calling and the usual insults. It was a lot more specific, and personal, and tilted towards violence.

I’m quite happy to be part of any society that condemns aggressive behaviour from men to women more so than men to men or women to men.

I would argue that role number 1 of all men is to be a protector of women and children around them. If that makes me a sexist or misogynist or whatever the trendy term amongst beta-males is, well, get someone to print and send me a zany t-shirt.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 4:54 pm
It appears volume, not reason, was the decider. Or perhaps the government knows only too well that green alliance interest groups mobilize en masse and always at the ready. In fact, the government counts on it for support; Cesar’s hands are therefore “clean”. Pfft.

I’m not so sure about that. They seem to have wised up and excluded the swarms of emails from these groups.

The department received 487,435 submissions on the draft Commonwealth marine reserve
proposal for the Coral Sea Region. Of these, the majority (486,018 or 99.7%) were in the
form of ‘campaign submissions’ organised by conservation organisations.

Then they do a breakdown of the legitimate submissions. And the legit ones were generally in favour of it. They appear to have actively considered 907 ‘non campaign’ submissions.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 5:02 pm
SteveC it wasn’t just name calling and the usual insults. It was a lot more specific, and personal, and tilted towards violence.

What did he say?

JC

1 Dec 12 at 5:03 pm
No specifics just a description.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 5:03 pm
Wow, that Morgan poll is terrible for Abbott. -35 net approval rating, it’s getting worse and worse.

m0nty

1 Dec 12 at 5:07 pm
I didn’t see exactly what he said, but it had been heading downhill for a while. Coupled with the odd ‘just joking’ reference to identify people with anon accounts in real life, it painted a very creepy picture to me.

If you drop out all the political posturing and just the the ‘sfb’ account postings directed at other people, it actually painted a picture of a very creepy guy. I don’t for a minute actually believe there is a family, the whole thing reeked of single guy at computer painting a fantasy. I could be wrong, and I don’t really want to find out.

Some of the discussions in these Gillard threads have been very good at fleshing out what is really going on here, both on the Labor & Liberal side. They are all the better when the resident trolls don’t show up and start point at unicorns and trying to derail the conversation.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 5:08 pm
@podsnap recollections are a bit hazy but I think we put together some CV-like dossiers to the owners to show were just some nice young people enjoying the competion of 12 years schooling. Top marks and all that.

The building manager did try and kick us out halfway during the week for holding a party. A friend of mine also ran into a dog on his pushbike (night time, no lights, no helmet) and left blood on the steps as he limped back carrying a bent bike (no idea about the dog). That really ticked him off. But we knew he was a bit of a drinker because he was always half cut by 3 pm so we sent two of the best looking girls down to his apartment with a sixpack and asked if it was alright if we carried on. The dirty old sod took it and so we partied on until the wee hours. IIRC the bent bike was thrown over the balcony at one point, to see if it could be made more bent. But it landed on grass and didn’t do much.

ah, good times, good times.

brc

1 Dec 12 at 5:19 pm
Let’s be real, Stevie B can be a bit of a dick but to imagine him having violent thoughts towards sheilas is nigh on impossible. I don’t want to defend the panty waisted cardigan wearing fun chief, but he has been called some disgusting things by others here too – a great deal of them from my keyboard.

The only troll problem this blog has is our lack of self control in not replying to them.

I’d 86 that Numbers bloke though. He could bore for Australia.

Infidel Tiger

1 Dec 12 at 5:19 pm
Brc I agree about peter garrett. He is a bit of a green dunderhead, but he has more real business experience and real achievement than anybody in cabinet.

Jannie

1 Dec 12 at 5:21 pm
SteveC:

…I have to say that is fairly sexist. It would appear incredibly offensive comments by men to men and by women to men are acceptable, but far less offensive comments by men to women are somehow unacceptable, so unacceptable…

SteveC, you squealing pansy of a troll with a very tiny manhood, may I quote the site rules?

Be vicious to trolls. It’s not like you’re depriving anybody of food or oxygen.
Be capricious. If you’re consistent, they’ll know where the line is; if they know where the line is, they’ll skate to the edge of it.
Be indifferent to trollish suffering. Being called a facist (not a typo: most trolls can’t spell) who’s suppressing free speech* is not a cause for concern; it’s semantically equivalent to “You’re doing your job.”
Be obnoxious. Trolls do it because it amuses them to do it. Being made fun of is not amusing, particularly when you can enforce a ban.

Remember: they need your site more than your site needs them.

It all boils down to this: every so often you have to shoot a troll, the better to encourage the others. It’s fun!

I really, really REALLY like the Doomlord’s delicious rules.

Consider the Doomlord as extracting the two shotgun cartridges and smiling gently as bloody gobbets of splattered troll dribble gently down the walls.

…every so often you have to shoot a troll, the better to encourage the others. It’s fun!

Why yes, yes it is.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 5:22 pm
Yes m0nty Tony Abbott won’t win the next Federal election.

Julia Gillard has mounted a magnificent and dignified defence of her unfortunate relationship from many, many years ago.

The much needed Carbon Tax will convince the rest of the world to follow Australia’s lead and put in place policies to prevent catastrophic anthropogenic climate change. I look forward to the Doha commitments as the world rallies around.

The NDIS is a much needed and necessary program that will reduce suffering and heal the lame. Some increases in taxes on the 1% will cover the cost.

The only fault I have with the state of play is the dreadful and inhumane treatment of people bravely fleeing their dangerous homelands for the sanctuary of Australia. How about an amnesty and full citizenship for all of them, that would show our compassion to the world.

Yes m0nty Abbott will lose the next Federal election.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 5:24 pm
he has more real business experience and real achievement than anybody in cabinet.

Yes, midnight oil’s hideous, interminable dirges were a real achievement.

Not.

The only one who’s made good is the ol’ perv with the micro bikini business run out of Byron.

I became aware of this via Tim Blair, who’s never been known to objectify women.

Which is all well and good, because otherwise, lardarse could denounce him as a misogynist.

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 5:27 pm
I always thought it was ironic that the only adult in Cabinet is a bloke whose real world work experience was remembering to set his alarm for 4pm, getting up, shaving his head, throwing any old clothes on then being picked up by the boys in the band and driven to whatever pub they were playing at.

Then prancing around the stage like a spastic preying mantis.

The only adult in Cabinet.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 5:31 pm
Hmm… ‘spastic praying mantis‘. Not bad.

Still prefer Tim Blair’s ‘electrocution-themed dancer‘, but not bad.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 5:35 pm
Dogshit is a troll and a thread clogger of the worst kind, IT. He has no interest in the blog and/or why it was set up. In fact, he opposes and scrags everything that is posted by anyone who isn’t another troll. Through the absence of just one look-at-me arsehole with his own agenda, the Cat is no longer a troll sewer that has to be waded through. I’d point out that Dogshit’s Best Friend is actually Dogshit’s Best Friend, who goes over to the audience-free Dogshit Today to lick his pervert mate’s bottom. The deal breaker is Dogshit’s attitude to females, which is weird and creepy. He’s where he belongs, which is not here.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 5:41 pm
The deal breaker is teh semenblogger’s attitude to females, which is weird and creepy.

Yep, but don’t rely on us – I’ve heard about it first hand from some of the abused femmes in private correspondence.

This noble action of Sinc’s was way overdue.

Several years overdue, apparently.

Rabz

1 Dec 12 at 5:45 pm
Julian Burnside calls for a rethink on refugees.

http://www.julianburnside.com.au/rethink.htm

m0nty

1 Dec 12 at 5:56 pm
Hmm… ‘spastic praying mantis‘. Not bad.

Still prefer Tim Blair’s ‘electrocution-themed dancer‘, but not bad.

Ta MK I could use another one. I can mix them up in conversation now.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 5:58 pm
This is curious:

Draft regulations released by the state government says wind farms with a generation capacity of more than 30 megawatts, or those designated as state significant development, must pay an annual licence fee of up to $16,950.

Are there licence fees for any other type of power generation? I don’t think so.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 6:03 pm
@m0nty
A “rethink”?
There has never been any thought on this issue from either side of polytics.On the other hand, there has been heaps of bullshit.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:04 pm
Julian Burnside calls for a ~~rethink on refugees~~ a streamlining of the illegal immigration queue to make it more attractive for country shoppers.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 6:04 pm
@Tom
What queue?

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:05 pm
Burnside makes a decent point that asylum seekers would cost less as dole bludgers than as Nauru residents. But it’s not as simple as that, obviously.

m0nty

1 Dec 12 at 6:08 pm
FWIW

First rule – this is Doomlord’s dimension – everyone is a guest, so he can decide who stays at the party or not.

Re Beetlejuice-from-Brisvegas.

BfB fires off a lot of smirking, I-am-smarter-then-you lot comments – a master of irritation.

But I am seriously concerned about BfB – yes, you Steve – having an enormous chip on his shoulder and where it came from ?

Among a heap of odd personal comments, there was a line not that long ago where it was a case of ‘so what if your parents tell you they didn’t really want you when you came along – no big deal ?!’

For a purported parent to just throw in a devastating line like that is, IMHO, deeply disturbing. That is an awful, self-indulgent, even malicious thing for a parent to say to their offspring.

And if part of a pattern of behaviour, likely deeply damaging. If this is what BfB experienced growing up – it is very sad, but no excuse to take the anger out on others.

BfB – for the sake of your own kids, to break the cycle, go seek professional help. None of this is healthy.

Myrddin Seren

1 Dec 12 at 6:08 pm
The money put aside for offshore processing on Nauru and Manus would repay the total national HECS debt.
That’s the cost of bigotry and ignorance.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:10 pm
@tom
Imagine you’re a Hazara in Kabul, and you’re following Abbott’s advice to join the orderly queue.
Problem – the location of the Australian embassy is hidden for security reasons.
Get real……

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:15 pm
Piss off, numbers, you tool.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 6:22 pm
It appears volume, not reason, was the decider. Or perhaps the government knows only too well that green alliance interest groups mobilize en masse and always at the ready. In fact, the government counts on it for support; Cesar’s hands are therefore “clean”. Pfft.

I’m not so sure about that. They seem to have wised up and excluded the swarms of emails from these groups.

The department received 487,435 submissions on the draft Commonwealth marine reserve
proposal for the Coral Sea Region. Of these, the majority (486,018 or 99.7%) were in the
form of ‘campaign submissions’ organised by conservation organisations.

Then they do a breakdown of the legitimate submissions. And the legit ones were generally in favour of it. They appear to have actively considered 907 ‘non campaign’ submissions.

An activist organisation that sets up an email based campaign amongst its members isn’t really trying to influence the outcome of the inquiry: 384,000 identical submissions end up being ignored for their banality. It’s really about recruitment.

Sure, on the one hand there is some peripheral bonus in being able to say XXXXXX submission were made, but all that is doing is preaching to the converted and providing some lazy ~~journalist~~ stenographer with a press release to copy.

On the other hand signing on with their details to click that little lodgement box generates a tremendous amount of useful information on the people who support your cause.

But the gripping hand is recruitment: it is easy to send off a prepared submission when all you need to is type in your contact details and then click on the submit button at the bottom of the boilerplate submission. Even a person with very little commitment can do that. And the feeling of moral superiority that little click gives the, let’s call them the ‘clicker’, a high just like any euphoric drug, meaning they are more likely to do it next time. Low and behold, the organisation’s figurehead personally emails the clicker (they now have their details, remember) asking them to go and send their next submission they have helpfully written for the clicker. They can’t wait to have that feeling again. So they do.

The next email thanks teh clicker profusely for their support in past campaigns. It outlines how people like them have really made a difference. Victory was achieved because of people like the clicker. A few days later another email reminds them how much they appreciate the clicker, and perhaps to help the cause, perhaps they could make a small donation. So they give a few dollars, its only a couple of cups of coffee. The organisation even sets up a website to make donations extra easy.

Next email has the clicker doing a subscription. The next perhaps helping write the next submission, or if that is too much, coming down to help write placards for the protest down at parliament house. It would be great if the clicker could go too, but the organisation understands not every one has the time. Maybe next time.

And before the clicker knows it, they are wearing an smelly, unwashed koala suit in the Brisbane Square in 30 degree heat, limply waving a donation bucket.

entropy

1 Dec 12 at 6:25 pm
the gripping hand

Nice motie reference- has anyone ever queried this usage?

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 6:29 pm
SteveC, you squealing pansy of a troll with a very tiny manhood, may I quote the site rules?

I had hoped I had embarrassed you into giving up on those idiotic rules by now. No such luck, apparently.

Let’s take it from the top (again).
Being “vicious to trolls” doesn’t work. By definition, a troll is there to attract attention, divert and wreck discussion, make the topic about a topic of their choosing or simply about them.

Being “vicious” to contrarians achieves this: regular, ordinary people who don’t vote the way you visit briefly then get abused, they leave and don’t come back. The trolls, by contrast, are rewarded by your viciousness. Every vicious thing you say to them is a victory for them and reinforces their desire to returns.

So that policy actually ensures a rump of trolls that will hang around like seagulls at a beach burger shop, and never go away.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 6:30 pm
Actually, C-H, it is amazing how often people are aware of the origins.

entropy

1 Dec 12 at 6:33 pm
The money put aside for offshore processing on Nauru and Manus would repay the total national HECS debt.
That’s the cost of bigotry and ignorance.

Of course an open borders policy will cost the country far more than Nauru and Manus. Numbers, how many of the world’s 15 million-odd refugees/asylum seekers should Australia accept and over what time period? The current 2000+ per month is too fast to process and integrate in a comprehensive and socially cohesive fashion. Throwing the doors wide open will only aggravate the problem.

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 6:36 pm
Unconfirmed rumour that Rolf Harris has been questioned over the ongoing Saville case…

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/rolf-harris-questioned-in-connection-to-savile-case-2505056.html

m0nty

1 Dec 12 at 6:36 pm
And before the clicker knows it, they are wearing an smelly, unwashed koala suit in the Brisbane Square in 30 degree heat, limply waving a donation bucket.

Poetry.

Many years ago a mate worked at the Keating time Resources Assessment Commission. He told me how one day a few peeps from The Wilderness Society came to see the boss. As they were in the lift they said ” Could you hold our bags as we put our suits on?”

Dead set. They were presenting a, presumably, serious proposal to a serious person and they planned to do it as Mr Koala, Miss Bilby and I forget the other – maybe a frigging numbat.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 6:37 pm
Imagine you’re a Hazara in Kabul, and you’re following Abbott’s advice to join the orderly queue.
Problem – the location of the Australian embassy is hidden for security reasons.

Well if it was too easy, everyone would want to do it.

Eddystone

1 Dec 12 at 6:39 pm
Being “vicious” to contrarians achieves this: regular, ordinary people who don’t vote the way you visit briefly then get abused, they leave and don’t come back.

I’m a contrarian(I am by nature an iconoclast) and decided to stay away in November because this place had clearly gone bonkas for a period of weeks. Abuse flying about at anyone who put forward a contrary view. But I’ve learnt my lesson so I will no longer put forward any ideas regarding my personal interests, which typically doesn’t include politics. This is a political forum so I’ll try and stick to that. My other interests can be expressed on other forums where I receive a much more cordial reception.

I don’t know why people even get bothered by trolls. These creatures exist on every forum. The solution is easy, keep the eyes moving away from their comments. That’s all you have to do.

I commend your efforts to try and settle the place down DD but even someone as moderate and controlled as yourself was then subject to ridicule.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 6:42 pm
The only fault I have with the state of play is the dreadful and inhumane treatment of people bravely fleeing their dangerous homelands for the sanctuary of Australia. How about an amnesty and full citizenship for all of them, that would show our compassion to the world.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 6:43 pm
@Cold-Hands
“aggravate the problem”
Utter crap. There is no “problem” to aggravate.
There is a perception of a problem engineered by liars and cowards for base political advantage.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:49 pm
Imagine you’re a Hazara in Kabul,

OK. I’m a Hazara in Kabul. What am I going to do, run away and let foreigners fight my enemies or fight them myself?

If I am not a coward I would have no need for the Australian Embassy.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 6:49 pm
Unconfirmed rumour that Rolf Harris has been questioned over the ongoing Saville case

Not Rolf. Couldn’t be. He’s a Basso boy.

sdfc

1 Dec 12 at 6:51 pm
DD, respectfully disagree. There was once a troll here called THR. Through relentless application of both Sinc’s rules and the left’s own tactics, he was driven out of here.

And it was fun.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 6:52 pm
Let me explain it slowly Numbers.
(1) the arrivals being sent to Nauru arrive by boat;
(2) in the case of Afghans, it is difficult for them to sail directly from the Kabul Yacht Club to Australia, given that Afghanistan is land-locked
(3) the UN convention demands that refugees claim asylum “directly and immediately” upon clearing the borders of the company they are fleeing. That would mean Pakistan, or if they are “afeared” in Pakistan, it means Malaysia or Indonesia.
(4) even by UN definitions, they are illegals and must be treated as such

Leigh Lowe

1 Dec 12 at 6:53 pm
“I have also decided that [] comments toward some of our female commenters are completely unacceptable.”

Turns out my prior observation about the rapidly expanding grounds for banning was prophetic. How sad.

Also, strangely sexist. Our female commenters are as capable of standing up for themselves as our male commenters, but it was the former who apparently warranted protection.

So was it the nature of the comments (which I haven’t seen)? Unlikely. Sexualised and gendered insults are thrown around at the guys all the time, without consequence.

Maybe Sinclair’s just getting soft in his old age

Jarrah

1 Dec 12 at 6:54 pm
@jupes
In the first place, you (or a member of your family) would stand a better than even chance of having your throat cut if you identified as a Hazara. Joining the military? Never happen……
You ignorance of contemporary Afghanistan is appalling.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:54 pm
Big fat Aussie sitting in judgement on refos good onya.

sdfc

1 Dec 12 at 6:56 pm
@Leigh Lowe
Whether they come via a third country has no bearing on their status. 90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 6:58 pm
Australia has the 5th largest Hazara population in the world.

50,000

Nobody asked me if that was a good idea.

FMD.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 6:59 pm
Joining the military? Never happen……

There are no Hazaras in the ANA? None? Really?

You’re expertise of Afghanistan is amazing. You should write a book.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 7:03 pm
And their kids attend Holroyd High by the looks of it.

So they’ve moved from Peshawar to Greystanes. Of course.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 7:04 pm
@DaveF
Wrong. The true figure is closer to 20000.
Check the Hazara Society of Australia for accurate figures.
I wonder whether the indigenous inhabitants of this country where consulted about european boat people?

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:07 pm
Numbers, you really are as dense as collapsed matter:

@Tom
What queue?

As I posted on this site this year, I had cause to assist an acquaintance. To cut a long story short, she had organised about 500 girls to come to Australia: all were orphaned, most of whom had seen their families butchered before their eyes, all subject of enslavement, all subject of torture, all subject of several hundred rapes each (minimum). genuine refugees in a genuine refugee camp still subject to continual islamic attacks where they were routinely kidnapped, killed, enslaved, raped, tortured etc etc etc.

She had to go back over there and tell them that the Australian Government had cut the number who could come out by 90%.

Reason?

The illegal immigrants coming by boat (mostly muslims like the ones killing these girls) take the place of people on the genuione refugee list.

So, you filthy little pissant, just know that tonight as you sleep soundly and safely, there are about 400 girls 10-18 shivering and hungry in a desert encampment in eastern Chad, wondering if tonight they might be raped and murdered.

While illegal immigrant welfare shoppers who break the law laze about here to your cretinous applause, think on that.

Oh, why the smaller number? A few are here. She got 22 into Canada. She says about 30 have been murdered by janjaweed (muslim bandits) in the last 4 months, and just over 20 have committed suicide in despair. A couple died of disease, too. That should please the Lying Slapper, eh?

No queue, eh? No cost to this feel-good policy?

Tell that to the survivors of those who got bumped.

And grow a brain.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 7:07 pm
Nobody asked the people at Greystanes either Dave F.

Of course a few people are in favour of it – nice, upstanding people from Canberra, and Mosman, and Annandale…..

Not a lot of Hazaras at those places.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 7:09 pm
What queue?

1735099
1 Dec 12 at 6:05 pm

Not this old chestnut again.

Let me say it again, there is a queue for them to join. Instead of boarding a boat in Indonesia, they can go to the Australian embassy there. There, they can fill out form 866A, and then they are in the queue.

2dogs

1 Dec 12 at 7:09 pm
90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine.

Well done numbers you have identified the problem – the assessors.

How can anyone who has thrown away their passport and paid at least five times the amount of an airfare be classified as a genuine refugee? If they were genuine they would pay the airfare and present themselves at customs.

Let’s not forget, these clowns reckon Captain Amad is a genuine refugee. Sack every assessor and start again. No refugee advocates need apply.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 7:12 pm
2Dogs: correct.

Or application can be made on their behalf if an organisation or individual can provide full data and documentation complete with UN acknowledgement re their status. (ie: they are not able to make application in person and form a specially vulnerable group – like a group of orphaned south Sudanese Christian girls, for example)

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 7:13 pm
Tell that to the survivors of those who got bumped.

Jesus.H.Fvking.Christ Mk50. If you don’t mind i’m going to keep that.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 7:13 pm
I wonder whether the indigenous inhabitants of this country where consulted about european boat people?

Yes because living standards really deteriorated after the First Fleet arrived.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 7:15 pm
@Mk50
THERE IS NO QUEUE.
It is a construct designed to demonise those who come by boat, many of whom (since you obviously have a problem of bigotry against Muslims) are Christian.
Suggest you check the Dept of Immigration website to get a realistic handle on the breakdown.
Many boat people are Christians escaping Iraq since the war. The proportion of Christians in Iraq has dropped by 2/3 since they were “saved” in 2003.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:15 pm
Utter crap. There is no “problem” to aggravate.

The people of Sydney’s Western Suburbs might beg to differ. Failures of integration are all too obvious.

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 7:15 pm
Utter crap. There is no “problem” to aggravate.

You live in Southwest Sydney ? Have kids ?

You get to sit up the grown ups table when you do.

Till then – shut up.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 7:18 pm
I wonder whether the indigenous inhabitants of this country where consulted about european boat people?

Numbers, aren’t you supposed to be a teacher?
No wonder our kids are in trouble if illiterate fucktards like you are responsible for educating them.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

1 Dec 12 at 7:18 pm
@Cold-Hands
Linking to Sydney’s chief dropkick…
You’ve got to be kidding.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:20 pm
DD, respectfully disagree. There was once a troll here called THR. Through relentless application of both Sinc’s rules and the left’s own tactics, he was driven out of here.

And it was fun.

well, first, that’s rather passive phrasing on your part. You should at least own it and say “I drove him out of here.” Because you did, but only by relentlessly trolling him over a period of several months and daily application of “viciousness”.

The rules you refer to are disgusting and morally bankrupt.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 7:20 pm
I wonder whether the indigenous inhabitants of this country where consulted about european boat people?

Also european should have a capital E.

Should have stuck to soldiering numbers. You’re useless as a teacher.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 7:22 pm
and by the way, your “rules” are indefensible. I say that not as a moral judgement but a statement of fact. i’ve torn them apart every time you boastfully refer to them, I fucking demolish you on this point every time and you have no comeback.

Like a troll, you wait a few weeks and then reset to square one, as if you didn’t get smashed the last time. To summarize, your rules suck, and you don’t defend them because you can’t.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 7:24 pm
So Jarrah it’s quite ok for Julia to have a right whine about sexism but every other female should just cop it? And by the way sfb was a creepy stalker of the womenfolk.

Tiny Dancer

1 Dec 12 at 7:24 pm
jupes, you mean:
You should have stuck to soldiering, numbers.
If you’re going to be a pedant, you had better be an accurate pedant.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 7:25 pm
I wonder whether the indigenous inhabitants of this country where consulted about european boat people?

The European did not come here to mooch of the natives. They came to add. We now have a prosperous nation able to support about 45 times the pre settlement population with a high standard of living.

What’s not to like?

win-win

Will

1 Dec 12 at 7:25 pm
@Podsnap
I’ve got more sense than to go anywhere near Sydney.
Anywhere south of the Tweed is a waste of space.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:25 pm
And they weren’t ‘boat people’ – ‘boat people’ are refugees who reap the benefits of a previously existing society. These were explorers and settlers.

Still – you did spell ‘wonder’ right.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 7:26 pm
Hazara society of Australia have no details. 16,000 at the 2006 census. This is Afghans, not just Hazara.

Well I’d suggest the last 6 years has brought quite a few as refugees and, whilst I cannot find any good figures I’d hazard the population is closer to 50k than 20k.

That said they do have a long history here, they were the Afghani camel teams way back when.

Oh, Podsnap it looks like Ryde and Castle Hill as well as Merrylands is a hotbed of them. Probably the established ones, not the fresh off the boat.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 7:27 pm
No, Jupes, no. I have a lot of contacts/friends in DIAC.

You are quite correct, but the assessor’s job is impossible. That’s deliberate Greens/ALP policy.

All illegals discard their documents and learn a sob-story. They rehearse it extensively. It comes complete with a pretend identity.

Checking this is glacially slow and very expensive. Let us say that a taliban killer says he is actually Mohammad derkaderka, a poor oppressed Hazar from Peddomo village near Derkaville. To disprove this story you have first got to obtain fine-grained knowledge about teh village, and catch him in a several lies (like not knowing the colour of the Mosque’s tiled roof, the name of eth local imam, how many baker shops are in the village square and which one he gets his bread from etc.

The moment you catch the fake, he just cjhanges a few things ‘Oh no, that’s Paddamo village near Durkaville, stupid white slut ifidel whore!’

And the assessor has to start all over again.

Why do you think the Greens and knob-jockeys like bernsyd keep insisting on shorter and shorter assessment times?

The solution is simple. Don’t process them at all and release them immedialtely on TPV with the following conditions:
1. They are safe here but are explicitly banned from ever becoming Australian permanent residents let alone citizens forever (full stop no argument), as they have arrived illegally. Deem a judicial penalty of five years in prison for that crime (temporarily suspended while on TPV)
2. They will be held in open accommodation facilities and employed at government discretion for five days a week in work gangs.
3. No reunion, no welfare, can be employed and pay own way (no repatriation of income overseas allowed) no return if they leave the country voluntarily for any reason (50% of ‘reffos’ go back to their country of origin on holiday on commercial flights within 2 years of arrival).

Do that, and the illegal immigrant trade will stop in a week.

Oh, and screw the UN to the wall with red-hot rivets.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 7:27 pm
DD

I’m unaware of the comment he’s made to get himself booted. But why are you defending the turkey? Can you recall any worthwhile comment the dog breath ever made in the years he’s been hanging around here.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 7:27 pm
@Will
The European…….
They were convicts, remember?

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:28 pm
Numbers

I’ve got more sense than to go anywhere near Sydney.
Anywhere south of the Tweed is a waste of space.

Fair enough but you’ll excuse me if I don’t listen to a word you say on immigration. And fuck you for even having the temerity to venture an opinion.

And did you consult the Viets before you barged into their country to do the cooking for the real soldiers ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 7:29 pm
If you’re going to be a pedant, you had better be an accurate pedant.

Fair cop.

However, I’m not a teacher. Numbers is.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 7:29 pm
@Podsnap
I’ve got more sense than to go anywhere near Sydney.
Anywhere south of the Tweed is a waste of space.

Too right, numbers. Full of bloody reffos down there, eh?

Abu Chowdah

1 Dec 12 at 7:30 pm
But why are you defending the turkey?

He is not defending him he is attacking the method of removing him. THR was not a troll he was just a person with a different point of view. But here that is commonly mistaken for a person being a troll.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 7:32 pm
@Podsnap
My posting was rifleman.
How would you define a “real soldier”?

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:32 pm
Linking to Sydney’s chief dropkick…
You’ve got to be kidding.

No response but an ad hom? Quite so…

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm
The European…….
They were convicts, remember?

All of them?

You seem to forget that this country was populated in two great waves – the first during the gold rush and the second post WWII assisted passage.

Learn some history and get an education.

Will

1 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm
How would you define a “real soldier”?

Bureaucrat.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 7:34 pm
And any interstaters commenting here I can promise you a large portion of Sydney has the charm of Mogadishu. I’m thankfully far from it but have driven through it and it’s not a good advertisement for multi culturalism or even immigration for that matter.

Campsie and Wiley Park I’m looking at you.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 7:34 pm
Number;

@Mk50
THERE IS NO QUEUE

@NUMBERS
YOU ARE AN IGNORANT LIAR AND FABULIST

Not to mention a rude shouty bogan. And yes, I DO have a problem with muslims who:
1. take slaves
2. rape and pack rape pre-pubescent girls
3. rape and pack rape anyone
4. murder people
5. torture people

in fact, I have a serious problem with anyone who does any of these irrespective of their race, colour, creed or mental state at the time.

How interesting that you have no problems at all with such people!

But the victime are black AND Christian, so I guess they just don’t count for you, eh?

Thanks for clearly illustrating that you are a racist and a bigot, just like any other lefty.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 7:34 pm
Numbers, it doesn’t seem to be the imported Christians carrying out the drive-by shootings in Sydney as far as I’m aware.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 7:35 pm
THR was okay value. He had an opinion, as DS suggested and defended it. Moreover he wasn’t a passive aggressive spiteful douchebag like the Steves twins and Fat Boy. He also wasn’t a pedantic pseudo intellectual fraud like other leftwing nutballs that haunt the site.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 7:36 pm
Thanks for clearly illustrating that you are a racist and a bigot, just like any other lefty.

Using PC terms to argue with leftists. Add another note to the ‘why the right always loses’ file I guess.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 7:37 pm
@Mk50
I also have a problem with individuals who pack rape and murder. Last time I checked, this behaviour wasn’t confined to Muslims.
A bigot is a person who characterises the behaviour of a whole group based on the behaviour of individuals in that group.
You sir, are a rolled gold bigot, so your opinion is worthless.
I don’t know why you bother….

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:43 pm
To summarize, your rules suck, and you don’t defend them because you can’t.

Whose rules?
But by the way, I know they don’t work.
There is another, quicker, neater way to impose a teensy weensy bit of discipline (aka fear and respect), despite the notional label “libertarian”.
I thought libertarians were like the Sydney Push. Free love, no rules. Hardly applies to a mob of economists.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 7:44 pm
DD:

well, first, that’s rather passive phrasing on your part. You should at least own it and say “I drove him out of here.” Because you did, but only by relentlessly trolling him over a period of several months and daily application of “viciousness”.

I did that all by myself? I’d not be averse to claiming such credit against a self-avowed communist totalitarian, leninist, and mass-murder fanboi, but IIRC there were more than a few other folks incolved!

[Edited. Sinc]

The rules you refer to are disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Sorry, I do not agree. Sinc has taken these rules of play from the left and from the trolls. It is stupid and can even be evil not to fight fire with fire. A moral person can indeed utilise such tactics against those who invented them provided they ONLY use them against such people.

You and I rarely agree. Yet it is unthinkable and would be immoral to use such tactics against you. Why? because you disavow them and refuse to use them yourself. Also, you genuinely represent a different view – and one that is not historically verifiable as evil.

Youa re also very far from being stupid, or a mindless ideologue.

Anyhoo, it’s been nice, but work calleth.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Dec 12 at 7:44 pm
@Tracey
We’ve had two homicides in Toowoomba in the last two months.
Both were committed by people identifying as Christian.
Obviously Christians are murderous and dangerous people.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:46 pm
Tell it on your own blog, numbers. Posting here is an admission of defeat, that nobody reads you any more than they do sfb.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 7:48 pm
Noticed this in the AFR yesterday, apologies if it’s been mentioned already but it is a gem…

Get Up have recently been running a campagin against Woolworths because they have the gumption to have some pokies in their pubs which as we all know is terrible.

The AFR reports that Get Up’s largest donor Roger Alan is the financial backer of Next Gen Gaming, which created on-line poker machine game ‘Doctor Love’ . A Melbourne Mother recently lost $7.8 Million playing it.

The Rear Window section also comments:

This naturally made GetUp!s sanctimonious stance against poker machines at the Woolworth’s EGM in Adelaide last week look thinner that a month-old Salada.

Sorry can’t find any on line version.

How do lefties sleep at night?

CraigS

1 Dec 12 at 7:51 pm
Add another note to the ‘why the right always loses’ file I guess.

I was talking with my sister earlier today about this AWU stuff. Like myself she is a leftie but is of the opinion that Gillard knew this matter was going to be corrupt but was careful enough to avoid direct implication – so far.

The problem with the Right is that what the Right considers vitally important is not an opinion enjoyed by the wider Australian public. So as I said to my sister, going after Gillard for something that happened 17 years ago is important to some people but for most Australians, even when they perceive wrong doing, it is now too much water under the bridge.

I think where the Left does triumph over the Right is that the Left has a better insight into the psychology of the times. The Right expects too much rationality, which is an irrational comprehension of human behavior. It is quite simple in way: when an individual is confronted with something of considerable complexity they will not typically engage rationality but rather resort to authority figures or group opinion or gut feeling. This is not because people are stupid it is rather typical of human behavior writ large and people these days are so busy they don’t the time to sort through all the information. That’s why I am critical of the coalition’s approach to this issue, they threw out too much stuff, too often, making people both confused and sick to death of the matter.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 7:51 pm
We’ve had two homicides in Toowoomba in the last two months.
Both were committed by people identifying as Christian.
Obviously Christians are murderous and dangerous people.

That’s possibly the stupidest fucking comment I’ve ever read or heard for that matter.

Some, like myself, may find it ironic that someone whose pseudonym consists solely of numbers could be a quantitative retard.

Others may not. Possibly due to having a sub-70 IQ or lack of sense of humour.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 7:51 pm
Great, Dead Soul. You justify corruption because the general public is misinformed or uninformed by the msm.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 7:53 pm
the toowoomba murderers did it because they were Christian? Holy Shit! Then all those murders committed by Muslims, like that 14 yo who wouldn’t marry the git, are OK then.

entropy

1 Dec 12 at 7:53 pm
We’ve had two homicides in Toowoomba in the last two months.
Both were committed by people identifying as Christian.
Obviously Christians are murderous and dangerous people.

Were they sreaming ‘Jesus is my Lord and Saviour’ whilst they comitted these crimes.

You have gone full retard numbers.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 7:54 pm
I have interesting evidence – by no means conclusive – but interesting evidence that at least some of the money that’s received by families once they’ve paid off the initial debt incurred by the smuggling, is then fed back into the system, so that their next eldest son can then be smuggled. So here we have it, a real cycle. We have money raised by a family; we have that money dispersed through a migrant smuggling network by the initial contact; we have the migrant finding work in the destination country and sending home remittances; we have the smuggler’s fee paid off in about two years. Thereafter we have household incomes doubling as a result of remittances, and pretty quickly we have families feeding more money into the system by sending their next son into the smuggling industry. A real cycle I think that we need to think quite carefully about how to break.

So let me just conclude with two comments. The question (and I haven’t got an overhead), the
question I asked to begin this presentation (and the title in the program) is why migrant smuggling
pays. If you’re a refugee, migrant smuggling pays because it gets you out of harm’s way. It gets you
out of the way of conflict and persecution and the threat of death. And again, some smugglers, I
would argue, are good people, serving a good purpose. If you’re someone who is moving for largely economic benefits, and that’s by far the majority of irregular migrants, illegal migrants around the world today, it appears to pay pretty substantially. Households pay off their debt within two years and then double their household incomes. Migrants, it appears, find jobs fairly easily in the countries to which they’re going, and earn enough money to send home significant amounts of remittances.

You wouldn’t have be too much of a conspiracy theorist to scale this up and argue that migrant
smuggling also benefits origin and destination societies too. Origin countries relieve unemployment. They relieve pressure on the labor market; they receive significant remittances which of course often go through formal banking systems. Certainly, I haven’t seen much evidence at all in Afghanistan or Pakistan that the governments are taking this issue seriously and particularly want to stop it. I think I would argue that it benefits many origin countries, and I think getting those countries engaged in trying to stop it is an important issue. It wouldn’t be too much of a leap of the imagination – I think this is less so in Australia, but it is certainly true in the USA and Europe – that it also benefits destination countries by providing very cheap labor.

From Khaled Koser’s talk on Why Migrant Smuggling Pays.

Of course, he uses the pretext of looking at it as an economic model for the sake of the talk, but deconstruct the lefty talking points, and it’s very interesting indeed. I disagree with his belief that illegal immigrants (or should I use “irregular”?) find themselves work quickly since on the whole that’s not really the case here. Some find work, and others don’t. They don’t need to, because if they are deemed to be ‘refugees’ a veritable feast of goodies in the form of welfare payments is there for the taking.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 7:55 pm
@Greg P
My comment is based on exactly the same logic as Tracey’s. It’s also sarcastic. I didn’t think it was necessary to point this out. I didn’t believe there was anyone out there as thick as you. How wrong I was……

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:55 pm
Agent orange, I am curious to know how many illegals you are currently accommodating in your home after your fearless leader encouraged true believers to open your doors?

Splatacrobat

1 Dec 12 at 7:57 pm
How wrong I was……

Don’t be so harsh on yourself, you are constantly wromg.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 7:57 pm
Back to the earlier discussion about government funded lobby groups.

Weight Watchers want the taxpayer to subsidise their program to fatties. The lobby groups are asked for an opinion. Ugly.

Nutritionist Rosemary Stanton said the Weight Watchers program was quite sound, but she had concerns about public subsidies going to a commercial organisation whose aim was to generate profits.

Boyd Swinburn, a professor of population health at Deakin University and director of the World Health Organisation Collaborating Centre for Obesity Prevention said the idea was worth considering because there was a reasonable evidence base for such programs. But he questioned how affordable such an approach would be, given the numbers of people who were overweight or obese.

Obesity Policy Coalition spokesman Craig Sinclair said while weight-loss initiatives were always welcome, the government needed to take a broader approach, including tackling environmental factors which drove obesity such as junk food marketing, food labelling and the cost of fresh food.

Summary: we’re achieving nothing so you’ll need to give us more money, not try anything new.

With the exception of Rosemary Stanton I’d bet my house on the others being ex-tobacco control.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 7:57 pm
@Carpe Jugulum
So the screaming whilst killing is the real problem?
Who knew?

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 7:58 pm
If you’re someone who is moving for largely economic benefits, and that’s by far the majority of irregular migrants, illegal migrants around the world today, it appears to pay pretty substantially.

This is where the whole “asylum seeker” or “vulnerable people” meme falls on its bum. Who is vetting the rules for “genuine” in this context. If it’s the UN then we’re stuffed, because they want everyone levelled in a bad way.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 7:59 pm
The problem with the Right is that what the Right considers vitally important is not an opinion enjoyed by the wider Australian public. So as I said to my sister, going after Gillard for something that happened 17 years ago is important to some people but for most Australians, even when they perceive wrong doing, it is now too much water under the bridge.

I think where the Left does triumph over the Right is that the Left has a better insight into the psychology of the times.

One word “Clinton”.

The GOP went after Clinton on what appeared to me to be very rational and ethical grounds, yet lost in the court of public opinion.

Yet the left went after Nixon and won.

I think a lot of it has to do with the state of the economy and the way voterland perceives the importance of the government leader in how its going. Nixon, by his own doing was leading a country with terrible economic dynamics whereas Clinton was perceived as an Okay prez who was partially responsible for the terrific state of the economy. It was bullshit of course because the GOP congress had Clinton on a tight leash and he stole many GOP policies.

I’m not sure Gillard is able to pull off a Clinton though. No one gives her any credit for the state of the economy. However the Libs need to be careful and not overdo it. There’s a time to get her and the unions and that’s after the election with a full blown commission and criminal charges laid. There’s more than one way to skin this stinking cat.

Now I’m off to see To Rome with love. Penélope Cruz great in a short curvy dress playing the hooker in the shorts.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
@Carpe Jugulum
“…..wromg”
Use it as a tag. It’s fitting…..

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
So we now know that Julia Gillard was a very enthusiastic communist fellow traveller. This is exactly the same morally as a revelation that Tony Abbott was once a member of the Nazi Party. As you can imagine, the press wouldn’t be interested in that – youthful naivete, high spirits, just a debating society etc.

Cut Abbott some slack, they’d say.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
We’ve had two homicides in Toowoomba in the last two months. Both were committed by people identifying as Christian. Obviously Christians are murderous and dangerous people.

So you’re from Toowoomba eh ? I had a look at Wikipedia for the number of immigrants there – and it said “Fuck all and none”.

Any Christian drive-bys (Google it) in Toowoomba fuckhead ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
oops looks great..

JC

1 Dec 12 at 8:03 pm
I didn’t believe there was anyone out there as thick as you.

You should b-quote the quote you are replying to then submit your rejoinder.

That way people who join the conversation will know wtf you are on about, especially if you’re submitting an attempt at sarcasm, which, fwiw, seems to be the cause de jour in leftist ‘humour’.

Not that I think you have a point, nor understand statistics at all, fwiw…

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 8:04 pm
So we now know that Julia Gillard was a very enthusiastic communist fellow traveller.

Was there ever ever a question the lying slapper was anything but. No wonder the first thing she did was form an alliance with the Greenslime. No fucking wonder.

There’s not one cell belonging to that woman that could be considered worthwhile. She had the DNA of a jackal.

JC

1 Dec 12 at 8:05 pm
Nice of the trolls to identify themselves so clearly. Well played, Mark.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 8:05 pm
People tell me that Careflight is ringing around for contributions. The cost of Careflight per annum is, I believe around $9m per annum, of which half comes from people’s charitable contributions. That’s a good thing, that they contribute, but surely this is am important bit of health infrastructure, and those in government are always trumpeting their credentials in terms of health and education.
So, when incredible amounts of money, billions, are wasted on school halls, pink batts and cheques in the mail, not to mention Security Council vanity (to no effect as we’ve quickly seen), why is it that the Careflight people have to add to the burden of everyone they ring up and ask to buy a care bear? Couldn’t the other 4.5m be found – by a more pecunious and competent government – without running up a 200 billion debt?
This is just stupid.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 8:08 pm
If I could be put on the Weight Watchers $220 program for $30 (a month I imagine) I’d jump at it. That’s a hell of a lot of free food.

But I’d need to pack on the weight to even become ‘overweight’ I’m unders on the BMI at the moment.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
G’day Podsnap

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
I think where the Left does triumph over the Right is that the Left has a better insight into the psychology of the times.

Solid examples being Anna Bligh, Alan Carpenter, Kristina Keneally, John Brumby and Paul Henderson.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
So the screaming whilst killing is the real problem?

Numbers try not to spend your whole life as an AJ fuvkwit.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:10 pm
Check out the ‘Stones a couple of days ago in London.

Jagger is 69, Richards is 68, Watts is 71 and Woods is a very junior 65.

Greatest. Band. Ever.

jupes

1 Dec 12 at 8:10 pm
What do careflight actually do? Is it ferrying people around hospitals?

I genuinely don’t know

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 8:10 pm
Now I’m off to see To Rome with love. Penélope Cruz great in a short curvy dress playing the hooker in the shorts.

How does one spell that ” whipcrack ” sound that means a bloke’s doing something he doesn’t want to , only his wife is making him.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 8:11 pm
Keith Richards has looked 68 for 2 decades

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 8:11 pm
Careflight runs helicopter medivacs.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 8:12 pm
CL is not satisfied with neo-McCarthyism, he wants McCarthyism Classic.

m0nty

1 Dec 12 at 8:12 pm
Greatest. Band. Ever.

After Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Kiss & Coal Chamber i suppose they are not too bad.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
Monty, meet DaveF.

blogstrop

1 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
So as I said to my sister, going after Gillard for something that happened 17 years ago is important to some people but for most Australians, even when they perceive wrong doing, it is now too much water under the bridge.

If that’s the case, perhaps we’ll see less bleating about what Tony Abbott did to a wall when he was at university?

Nah, didn’t think so.

I think the next non-fiction I read will be Rules For Radicals.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
Monty, meet DaveF.

Huh?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 8:16 pm
How does one spell that ” whipcrack ” sound that means a bloke’s doing something he doesn’t want to , only his wife is making him.

日本語

Lady Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:18 pm
I think where the Left does triumph over the Right is that the Left has a better insight into the psychology of the times.

No. What the left did brilliantly was occupy the institutions. Having a rabid PR machine called “the media” helps a teensy bit too.

The left are also able to claim they have an answer for every single problem, issue and event, because they believe the state should be all consuming, regulating everybody’s life from arsehole to breakfast. That plays well in a world where people wish to outsource all their responsibilities.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 8:20 pm
for most Australians, even when they perceive wrong doing, it is now too much water under the bridge.

Awareness of this scandal is still pretty low. According to the Morgan poll about a third of Australians haven’t even heard of it as of yesterday.

Given that, you could ballpark that easily another third have heard of it, but don’t know much about it at all.

dd

1 Dec 12 at 8:21 pm
Not bad, Jupes. But nobody – and I mean, nobody – will ever top Merry Clayton’s guest turn on the original. Her voice cracked into the whistle register (beginning at 3:02). She had a miscarriage later that night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDnJ0vXUgw

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 8:21 pm
Oh, and toolies are also called droolies or foolies.
And can also include underage people ( someone that left school 2 years ago at 15 )
Only this years graduates are non-toolies.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 8:22 pm
1735099 four short of a prime

1735103

1 Dec 12 at 8:26 pm
She had the DNA of a jackal.

Bit harsh on the Jackals there JC

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:28 pm
Podsnap, I’m pretty familiar with Toowoomba. In recent years it has absorbed quite high numbers (proportionate to the population) of Sudanese refugees. I have to say on my not infrequent visits there they seem pretty prosperous.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 8:28 pm
Schoolies nowadays is a virtually perfect incarnation of Roxonian Australia’s ‘values’ and panics. You now wear an ID pass around your neck, apparently, and the ‘event’ has chaplains, nannying security, statist warnings and advice up the yazoo and one of those creepy avuncular safety flying squads – called the “Red Frogs.” Seventy years ago, 17 year-old boys joined up for World War II. How they managed without the Red Frogs – while drinking piss and smoking cigarettes at every conceivable opportunity – is a mystery.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 8:31 pm
If that’s the case, perhaps we’ll see less bleating about what Tony Abbott did to a wall when he was at university?

But think about the psychology of that. One purported act of violence against a woman(yes, such an action can taken as assault under the law) has more psychological impact than a mass of information the attempts to imply criminality.

Same with that silly misogyny speech. One 15 minute rant gained immeasurably more traction than a week of the AWU affair. Impact via simple direct messages, not complicated legal argument.

No. What the left did brilliantly was occupy the institutions.

Yeah, good point.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 8:31 pm
Keith Richards autobiography is one of the most entertaining books I’ve read. The media focused on the small bits where he took the piss out of Jagger, but for the most part there was a reverence for his genius and the freaky musical chemistry between them. Great chapter on cooking bangers and mash too.

Richards is a proper English gentleman.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 8:31 pm
Keith Richards autobiography is one of the most entertaining books I’ve read

IT – i’m impressed with Jaggers investing skills myself.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:33 pm
Awareness of this scandal is still pretty low. According to the Morgan poll about a third of Australians haven’t even heard of it as of yesterday.

Given that, you could ballpark that easily another third have heard of it, but don’t know much about it at all.

Comes back to my original point: confronted with so much information people turn off. People have heard about this but aren’t remembering it. Well at least it suggests Aussies are happy campers because endogenous cannabinoids play an important role in forgetting.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 8:34 pm
@Tracey
There is a diaspora of Dinka (Sudanese) in town.
I work with them through TRAMS. (Toowoomba Refugee and Migrant Services). They’re Christian, and I have come into contact through my parish also. There are also a few Muslims from Sudan, and TRAMS doesn’t distinguish, unlike a few above.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 8:35 pm
How they managed without the Red Frogs – while drinking piss and smoking cigarettes at every conceivable opportunity – is a mystery.

Not really, CL. They were effectively adults then, and it was expected that they acted it. Today, while physically they may be adults, they are not expected to act it, nor are they treated as if they are adults.

We have infantilised at least two generations so far, and it’s only going to get worse.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 8:36 pm
If you want to hear Keith Richards at his best – and understand why even now he rates in the top 15 of greatest guitarists of all time – listen to his flamethrower of a riff on Carol, live at Madison Square Garden, 1969.

Beginning at 3:41 (from the greatest live album ever recorded)…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRUP5xMPBCY

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 8:37 pm
What the left did brilliantly was occupy the institutions.

That is the war ahead – control of our lives by extremists we didn’t elect who hate pragmatic mainstream middle class values. The war hasn’t even started.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 8:38 pm
Gillard is gone!

1735103

1 Dec 12 at 8:38 pm
God may not play dice with the universe, but something strange is going on with the prime numbers.

1735103

1 Dec 12 at 8:42 pm
Hey Greg P – fighting the good fight intercontinentally ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 8:43 pm
Comes back to my original point: confronted with so much information people turn off. People have heard about this but aren’t remembering it.

I just remind people that Gillard has form for sleeping with married men who have children. It’s amazing how many people find that appalling behaviour.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 8:45 pm
129 SCIENTISTS WRITE OPEN LETTER TO BAN KI MOON ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/129-scientists-write-open-letter-to-ban-ki-moon-about-climate-change/

The video should be part of 3rd year school curriculum.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 8:45 pm
Tracey

Fair enough.

I haven’t been there for years, so I am going on memory.

I live in SW Sydney. I think what you mean by a high proportion and what I mean are vastly different.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 8:45 pm
@Dead Soul
“confronted with so much ~~information~~ bullshit……”
FIFY

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 8:47 pm
Hey Greg P – fighting the good fight intercontinentally ?

Hope so mate.

Sincerely, good to know we have blokes like you on our side. Makes me think twice about abandoning all hope.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 8:49 pm
I just remind people that Gillard has form for sleeping with married men who have children

If not for the party hacks in the alp she would be just another ‘Lady of Negotiable Virtue’ working Carlisle Street Saint Kilda.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:52 pm
If not for the party hacks in the alp she would be just another ‘Lady of Negotiable Virtue’ working Carlisle Street Saint Kilda.

And penniless.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 8:56 pm
I’m sick to the back teeth of reading that the AWU/Slater and Gordon scandal is ‘too complex’ for most Australians to be interested in. FFS, I don’t profess to be any rocket surgeon (I didn’t even finish Senior) but how hard is it to turn off the TV and do some research; the documented evidence is both abundant and clear. God, we have become a nation of helpless Red Frog dependents

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 8:56 pm
For something a bit different, I offer Atletico Partick.

Suburban football (soccer) will never be viewed the same way.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 8:56 pm
So Numbers how do these Sudanese people get on in Toowoomba?

Not looking to score points, I’m interested.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 8:57 pm
And penniless.

aaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 8:58 pm
The Coat of Arms should be changed to a Red Frog badge. Far more suitable for modern Australia.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 8:59 pm
Podsnap if you’re living in SW Sydney I’m happy to admit you would know more than me. My sincere sympathy as you quite likely feel like a second class citizen in your own community.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:00 pm
Whereabouts Pod?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:01 pm
God, we have become a nation of helpless Red Frog dependents.

LOL.

It’s true.

Plain packaging – Red Frogs-approved.

Drink warnings – huzzah!, say Red Frogs.

Food ad bans, fast food wars, soft drink controls, playground somersault crackdowns, compulsory stupid shiney work clothes for adults, floaties for surf lifesavers, no berets for the SAS – yay! say lefty Red Frogs.

Australia – a childish, stupid, embarrassing country.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 9:02 pm
@Dave F
Generally pretty well. They don’t figure in crime stats, they seem to put a high value on family and education, and they dress in spectacular colours. Many get work on Lockyer Valley farms on first arrival.
They are however, buggers behind the wheel…..Second only to hatties as mobile hazards.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:03 pm
floaties for surf lifesavers

Whereabouts? Gotta be QLD under Captain Bligh.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:04 pm
So Numbers how do these Sudanese people get on in Toowoomba?

The Sudanese and our Aboriginal youth have taken an immediate dislike to each other in Perth. Residents of many Perth suburbs get to witness the magnificent diversity and rich cultural tapestry of these tribes every night.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 9:04 pm
Hence my keyboard anger Tracey.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:05 pm
Cheers Greg P.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:05 pm
@CL
“Australia – a childish, stupid, embarrassing country”
Feel free to leave……

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:06 pm
Dogshit’s Best Friend taunted here earlier today about why arguably Australia’s best journalist Hedley Thomas had not won a Walkley Award this year. The answer, for those who may not know, is that the Walkeys are not open to journalists who are not members of the Media Arts and Entertainment Alliance (the union omnibus that swallowed the Australian Journalists Association), of which the Walkeys are a creation. And a union award will not gift an accolade to anyone investigating union corruption. So how do you feel about the independence of the Australian media when this was judged the cartoon of the year?

tom

1 Dec 12 at 9:06 pm
I thought they might be working as farm labourers, good stuff.

If they drive like you say they’ll be in crime stats then. ROAD SAFETY IS ALL IMPORTANT.

They speak much English? Oh and these guys are from South Sudan, right.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:06 pm
You were talking about the charms of Campsie up the thread Dave.

I live next door.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:07 pm
Food ad bans, fast food wars, soft drink controls, playground somersault crackdowns, compulsory stupid shiney work clothes for adults, floaties for surf lifesavers, no berets for the SAS – yay! say lefty Red Frogs.

Have you seen what they make kiddies wear in the playground these days? The poor bastards might as well don HAZMAT suits. They’re more likely to develop rickets than sunburn.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 9:07 pm
And on a lighter note
Pageant picks Brazil’s most shapely rear
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/pageant-picks-brazils-best-posterior/story

And the title——–Miss Bumbum !!!

blind freddy

1 Dec 12 at 9:08 pm
Amla’s ‘hundred in a session’, if it occurred, would have been in a session extended by half an hour, so not really counted, imho.

I say this as a anglo-celt, heterosexual, male, private sector, conservative, catholic, banker, nationalist, wine snob, beer quaffer, cigar smoker, meat eater, property owning, mountaineering, continent striding, neo-fascistic, literature reading, misogynist, race-realist of course.

So my opinion ~~may~~ is obviously biased.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 9:14 pm
I wear high-viz shirts (bright yellow, not the fair-skinned woman’s best friend), jeans and steel-cap boots to work Infidel Tiger (all compulsory). I haven’t left my air conditioned office in about 5 years.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:15 pm
The Australian embassy in Kabul is hidden? In a secret location?

Sheesh. It’s been bombed once or twice so some people know where it is.

kae

1 Dec 12 at 9:16 pm
HuHuum!. ( i’ll try again )
And who exactly are these 129 scientists that call BULLSHIT on CAGW effects on recent weather events ? Reported yesterday.

Find out here.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 9:16 pm
Sinclair’s just getting soft in his old age

Sinclair has always been soft – with some strange old-fashioned ideas.

Sinclair Davidson

1 Dec 12 at 9:19 pm
The answer, for those who may not know, is that the Walkeys are not open to journalists who are not members of the Media Arts and Entertainment Alliance

I’m puzzled by that comment, Tom. If Thomas was not a member, and thus ineligible, how did he get two nominations?

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 9:20 pm
@DaveF
The kids learn English quickly and translate for their parents. They’re from the South, fleeing war that’s been a feature of that part of Africa for a long time. Thre was a massacre of Dinka in 1991 that heralded a major exodus.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:20 pm
Dead Soul, as long as we’re talking psychology, I’m going to air my opinion that this scandal would be much more damaging to a man.

wreckage

1 Dec 12 at 9:22 pm
@Kae
Check the DFAT website. It says clearly that the location of the embassy is not specified for security reasons. The bombings are the reason for this precaution.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:23 pm
Numbers, I’m not trying to be a smart-arse (promise). Does the info in the link below sound right to you?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_did_nixon_tell_us_the_opposite_of_the_facts/

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:24 pm
Hedley Thomas is obviously a member of the union.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 9:26 pm
He’s just wasting his time filling out the Walkey nomination form.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 9:27 pm
@Tracey
Bolt is typical of Melbourne shock jocks in that he has no knowledge of anything outside Melbourne. He has been before the courts on at least two occasions for publishing arrant nonsense.
He’s not a reliable source of anything except bigotry.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:28 pm
I wasn’t asking for your opinion of Bolt. I was asking about the information sourced from Police and Immigration.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:29 pm
Sinclair’ has always been soft – with some strange old-fashioned ideas.

The ~~Jimmy~~ Sinclair played pretty good

Token

1 Dec 12 at 9:31 pm
1735099
How many and at what annual rate do you think is fair, in you opinion, over the next 20 years ?

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 9:31 pm
I say this as a anglo-celt, heterosexual, male, private sector, conservative, catholic, banker, nationalist, wine snob, beer quaffer, cigar smoker, meat eater, property owning, mountaineering, continent striding, neo-fascistic, literature reading, misogynist, race-realist of course.

A walking hate crime.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:31 pm
HuHuum!. ( i’ll try again )
And who exactly are these 129 scientists that call BULLSHIT on CAGW effects on recent weather events ? Reported yesterday.

Find out here.

What are you looking for jump?

I’m going through the names and recognise some and note many are retired – of course – but what are you actually asking?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:32 pm
Sorry, hit ‘send’ prematurely. I meant to ask, based on your observations of Sudanese integration in Toowoomba, do you disagree with the information sourced from Police and Immigration.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:32 pm
Oh oh jump, totally discredited now.

Jay Lehr, B.Eng. (Princeton), PhD (environmental science and ground water hydrology), Science Director, The Heartland Institute, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.

Nice guy, I met him.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:37 pm
@CL
“Australia – a childish, stupid, embarrassing country”
Feel free to leave……

There’s 100+ Muslim majority countries in the wrold. Perhaps our Sharia loving fellow ‘citizens’ should be given the same advice you offered CL?

ie:

feel free to leave…

…but i guess that would be considered ‘racist’.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 9:37 pm
@Tracey
Over-representation of marginalised groups in crime stats is as much a symptom of racism as anything else. That’s been the case, particularly in urban areas, since Adam was a pup.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:37 pm
Dead Soul, as long as we’re talking psychology, I’m going to air my opinion that this scandal would be much more damaging to a man.

God, yes.

Gillard is being treated like a poor l’il girl who was manipulated by the mean boys.

Being a woman in public life in Australia means you’re not responsible for anything.

Indeed, I’m reminded of As Good As It Gets…

Receptionist: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

C.L.

1 Dec 12 at 9:38 pm
Shame they couldn’t get Judith Curry to sign.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:39 pm
Bolt posts an article on police statistics and crime by ethnicity and “numbers” goes on a rant stating Bolt is racist.

Why do people even respond to this idiot numbers?

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 9:41 pm
What happened to your pic Gab?

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:42 pm
I’m, often, critical of Bolt, but you have to admire his balls with the colour of crime stats he puts out.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 9:45 pm
DaveF

but what are you actually asking?

It’s Saturday night mate, I’d prefer a discussion on that rather than the usual ” abortion, jew v muslim, religion ” tis all.
Seems I’ll be reading a book instead.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 9:45 pm
You really are a pig ignorant twat numbers.
Try leaving the sheltered workshop of the staff room where you are surrounded by other morons who have never left the comfort of the institutions.
Your opinions are formed by a self serving circle jerk of cloistered irrelevance.
Fuck off.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

1 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
You’re right Gab. I’m new here. Will try not to do it again, but I’m enjoying a few drinks and damnit I feel feisty

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
Yes, CL. The poor “young and naive” 35 year-old partner in a law firm was duped by her lover. She was just a brainless bimbo who decided not to follow the correct procedures.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
Welcome to you, Tracey.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 9:47 pm
OK jump. I’m in.

Based upon these considerations, we ask that you desist from exploiting the misery of the families of those who lost their lives or properties in tropical storm Sandy by making unsupportable claims that human influences caused that storm. They did not.

And a good, if somewhat predictable list of signatories.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:47 pm
Greg – I don’t agree with a fair bit of Bolta, but -

if you are a middle class guy and you say what he says and put your real name to it.

Respect.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:47 pm
@Tracey
I’ve long argued that asylum seekers should be processed quickly onshore and settled in rural and regional Australia, using some form of ID that identifies them. I’ve seen this strategy work very effectivelly in (for example) Charleville in SW Qld, although in this case they are Vietnamese on 457 visas who have come out with their families to work in a very profitable goat abattoir. You can get a great Vietnamese meal in Charleville, and the tone of the school has improved out of sight.
Immigration zones should be set up with special conditions relating to employment and residential status.
This would be more humane, more productive, and cheaper.
It won’t happen, of course, as it would remove a very effective political wedge.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:47 pm
a self serving circle jerk of cloistered irrelevance

Keeper.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:49 pm
From the Walkley conditions of entry:

The cost of entering the awards, including GST, is $260 per entry. Through its support of the Walkley Awards, the Alliance covers the entry costs for its financial members as a benefit of membership. Financial members are not required to pay the entry fee except where a non-member is part of a group entry, in which case the normal entry fee ($260 only) is required.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 9:49 pm
the colour of crime stats he puts out.

No, those statistics are from a report issued by the police.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 9:49 pm
@DaveF
“a self serving circle jerk of cloistered irrelevance”
Apt description of Catallaxy…..

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:52 pm
I’ve long argued that asylum seekers should be processed quickly onshore and settled in rural and regional Australia, using some form of ID that identifies them.

How about at your house ?

Geez – you ingenuous turd. If we implemented anything like that the left would have a field day saying that we had descended into a police state.

And you know what ? As a fact we would have become a police state. Why should we become a police state to accommodate some people from the Sudan ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 9:52 pm
No, those statistics are from a report issued by the police.

I’m not suggesting otherwise. It’s just he chooses to publicise the report. Unlike other ~~cultural marxist scum~~ members of the third estate.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 9:54 pm
Just heard that Rolf Harris is being questioned. Not about BBC kiddie fiddling but. He used to own Kerr St a few owners back. coppers tying up a loose end.

Pickles

1 Dec 12 at 9:55 pm
I know I said I wouldn’t but forgive me please. I am weak.

“…using some form of ID that identifies them.”

See, there’s a major problem right there. Those coming on boats destroy their identity. Why is that?

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 9:56 pm
@Podsnap
And banging refugees up in godforsaken gulags like Nauru and Manus Island is not the action of a police state?
Give me a break.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 9:56 pm
Numbers you are really connecting tonight, mate.

But the idea of special zonal visas isn’t going to go down too well with refugee advocates. I don’t agree with them myself.

But I’ll happily discuss them with you.

How long can the entrant be ‘out of zone’ ( say local government area)?

Medicare?

Local wages? And if the workplace had problems attracting labour because wages are too low (goat abbatoir for example) how to get the unions onside with under cutting a fair wage?

Just a few to kick off.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 9:57 pm
Non-members of the MEAA can’t win a Walkley as individuals.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 9:58 pm
See Numbers, you just proved my point. You are not capable of an original thought.
Really, how fucking juvenile do you want to get?

What happened to your pic Gab?

Maybe she is in disguise trying to keep away from Sleaze from Brisbane.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

1 Dec 12 at 9:59 pm
The problem with the Right is that what the Right considers vitally important is not an opinion enjoyed by the wider Australian public. So as I said to my sister, going after Gillard for something that happened 17 years ago is important to some people but for most Australians, even when they perceive wrong doing, it is now too much water under the bridge.

So you’re saying the Left has no moral compass. I agree.

Abu Chowdah

1 Dec 12 at 9:59 pm
Pod:

a winner that was neglected by many commenters here earlier.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:00 pm
“I’ve long argued that asylum seekers should be processed quickly onshore and settled in rural and regional Australia,’
–and reserve offshore processing for those who drown,in their attempt!!!!

blind freddy

1 Dec 12 at 10:01 pm
@DaveF
If a fraction of the energy invested in the current ongoing tragedy called “border control” by the troglodytes was directed towards solving the problems of transition into communities (preferably rural and regional) we’d solve the non-problem quickly.
Problem is, there are no pollies with sufficient courage to take it on.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 10:02 pm
So you’re saying the Left has no moral compass. I agree.

So you’re saying I have no moral compass. I disagree.

Dead Soul

1 Dec 12 at 10:04 pm
A good one Dave F – I think the idea is that Huxley was right. I’m thinking it was more of a draw.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 10:04 pm
The problem with the Right is that what the Right considers vitally important is not an opinion enjoyed by the wider Australian public.

That’s true. We extremists believe in individual responsibility and freedom. The majority of people just want the government to take care of it so they can watch Masterchef.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 10:05 pm
“a self serving circle jerk of cloistered irrelevance”
Apt description of Catallaxy…..

Numbers if you spent more time reading then writing drive-bys you’d know there is a lot of discussion here.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:06 pm
Yeah, the cartoon is very much the Huxley camp. Hard to disagree the comparisons are telling.

soma, soma, soma.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:08 pm
That Huxley stuff is brilliant.

Thanks.

Get sick of the Orwell analogies…they’re so C. Hitchensesque (rot in hell).

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:08 pm
Numbers you are pre-supposing that every one of these self-selecting ‘refugees’ is genuine. I’m still waiting for an explanation of why they can manage to make it all the way to Indonesia with id, yet it mysteriously disappears between there and Australian territory and we’re expected to just take them at their word and start handing out the benefits.

I can’t even call the phone company without giving them my full name, date of birth and address. Sometimes I tell them what colour socks I’m wearing just to amuse myself.

nilk

1 Dec 12 at 10:09 pm
Gravatar test

Myrddin Seren

1 Dec 12 at 10:09 pm
This naturally made GetUp!s sanctimonious stance against poker machines at the Woolworth’s EGM in Adelaide last week look thinner that a month-old Salada.

Sorry can’t find any on line version.

CraigS

Perhaps you are referring to this story:

When the forces of Nick Xenophon and GetUp! were hectoring outgoing Woolworths chairman James Strong in Adelaide last week over the group’s poker machines in its pubs, we wonder if they knew of Wendy Jobson, the gambling-addicted Melbourne mother who spent $7.8 million of her employer’s money on online pokies. This week she told the Melbourne Magistrate’s Court, where she appeared on 1410 counts of theft, that she spent most of the money not at a Woolies-owned pub but on the online poker machine game called Doctor Love. “One time I won $1 million, but they only paid you $20,000 every four days . . . so you would keep gambling, because why not? It’s there. And I’d lose it.”

Well guess who created Doctor Love? Yep, you guessed it. None other than Next Gen Gaming, whose major financial backer is Roger Allen’s firm, Allen and Buckeridge. And as this column pointed out precisely one month ago, Allen is GetUp!’s largest individual donor ($60,000 in 2012 and $40,000 in 2011) of the past two years.

The irony is that 97.5 per cent of shareholder votes were cast against GetUp!’s proposal at the Woolworths EGM to restrict the company’s gaming operations, while GetUp! is funded by a guy whose company makes an online poker game that just swallowed $8 million from one problem gambler here in Australia.

Is GetUp! going to hand back the donation from Roger Allen, which arrived just in time for the action group’s onslaught against Woolies?

http://afr.com/p/blogs/rear_window/big_gambler_lays_money_on_getup_PlG8vafc2Xr1qf58libZGI

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 10:10 pm
(

preferably rural and regional)

yeah,no, rural is hated by the left and in a decline, better to send em to mining communities.
Similar accommodation to xmas island.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 10:12 pm
Doctor Love. Man what a business.

One time I won $1 million, but they only paid you $20,000 every four days . . . so you would keep gambling, because why not? It’s there.

A million bucks would take 200 days., 7 months or so to be paid.

Doctor Love indeed.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:14 pm
@Podsnap
And banging refugees up in godforsaken gulags like Nauru and Manus Island is not the action of a police state?
Give me a break.

Nauru and PNG are Godforsaken gulags and yet we never get any boat people from there? Very curious.

Infidel tiger

1 Dec 12 at 10:16 pm
BTW people, do NOT search for ‘Doctor Love’ on the internet.

‘Doctor Love gambling‘ is far safer.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:17 pm
jumnmcar

How about all refugees go to the richest areas of Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra. And their kids get to go to the same private schools as the locals.

Immigration policy will end in about – what 5 minutes ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 10:18 pm
@Infidel Tiger
Grow up.
@Nilk
Passports and ID are confiscated by people smugglers as a condition of passage.

1735099

1 Dec 12 at 10:20 pm
I say bring back shitfer and swap the ban with agent orange.

Splatacrobat

1 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
IT I suspect we have regional agreements with the neighbours that have them as a ‘country in good standing’ so refugees get automatically bounced.

A few years ago a group of Papuans arrived and applied. It went media silence then they went home.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
Nauru and PNG are Godforsaken gulags

Gulags were never as comfortable.

Gab

1 Dec 12 at 10:22 pm
No, those statistics are from a report issued by the police.

And misrepresented by a Affirmative action incompetent Police Commissioner who placed politically correct spin above the truth.

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 10:23 pm
Yes, I’d much prefer a gulag god has chosen to shine a light on.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:24 pm
Dave F

Weightwatchers is just a plan, there’s no food in it, you have to buy that extra.

kae

1 Dec 12 at 10:25 pm
Whilst on the Stones theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPbozLRU3so

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:25 pm
http://www.gamblingparadise.net/games/888-holdings-plc/slots/doctor-love-slots/

Hardly addictive. You get a one grand free account to play with.

The Pyramid one is better.

This week she told the Melbourne Magistrate’s Court, where she appeared on 1410 counts of theft, that she spent most of the money not at a Woolies-owned pub but on the online poker machine game called Doctor Love.

No idea.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:26 pm
Speaking of the Stones, has anyone seen Charlie is my Darling yet, and if so did you like it? I have it but like to keep a few new things up my sleeve to watch over Christmas.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 10:27 pm
Numbers, you never did get around to answering my question: how many of the world’s 15 million-odd refugees/asylum seekers should Australia accept and over what time period?

Cold-Hands

1 Dec 12 at 10:28 pm
I don’t think SFB should be banned.

Not at all.

He’s one of the most benign leftists here. The only things wrong with him (outside of his politics) is his relentless hi-alanism and his hypocrisy. If the place can’t cope with the likes of him then there’s a problem.

His “sexism” is pretty standard fare for a 100 year old suffering a midlife crisis it’s only his hypocritical accusations of others being sexists like he thinks he’s 25 year old some Jezebel.com reading beta male that required him being called out for it.

In any case I agree with DD that it seems punitive.

He’s a million times better than this “numbers” clown with his desire to create Warsaw style ghettos filled with twenty something Afghan and Sudanese men in Maitland and Booroowa.

twostix

1 Dec 12 at 10:28 pm
Passports and ID are confiscated by people smugglers as a condition of passage.

Hahahahahaha.
You gullible tool.
Possibly the most foolish comment that I have read at the Cat.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

1 Dec 12 at 10:31 pm
Weightwatchers is just a plan, there’s no food in it, you have to buy that extra.

I had a friend in it, it didn’t seem to be that expensive – $200+ – I’m sure she said $5 at the door and some money for the counting booklet.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:32 pm
Asylum seekers – shouldn’t they be transported to the existing asylums here, rather than anywhere else?

After all, they ARE looking for asylums, no ???????

(Has a Goon Show Moment).

Louis Hissink

1 Dec 12 at 10:32 pm
Over-representation of marginalised groups in crime stats is as much a symptom of racism as anything else.

No it is an indication of who is committing crime.

Passports and ID are confiscated by people smugglers as a condition of passage.

ORLY – What?, people smugglers now have conditions on their ‘ticket’, what else?, no pets & smoking section is at the rear.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
While your at it numbers, how many refugees are you currently housing after gillard proclaimed all true believers should take in these people?

Splatacrobat

1 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
Passports and ID are confiscated by people smugglers as a condition of passage.

Passports are taken as part of the service being paid for, that is getting them= customer onshore in Australia that the illegal immigrant paid them $10,000USD for.

What an embarrasement you are.

twostix

1 Dec 12 at 10:34 pm
Sinclair has always been soft – with some strange old-fashioned ideas.

Self-harm is easy for trolls in Doomworld.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 10:35 pm
Podsnap
I prefer to RSPCA solution put forward by labor.
Anyone know the take up rate ?
1735099, how many did you take in?

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 10:35 pm
DaveF: research the paleo diet (if you haven’t already).

Sugars (and not moving) are making us fat. Though I still like my bread, beer and pasta, this is what I stick to.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:36 pm
*getting the

twostix

1 Dec 12 at 10:36 pm
After all, they ARE looking for asylums, no ???????

I just had a Spike Milligan moment.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
…has anyone seen Charlie is my Darling yet

No unfortunately. But thanks for the heads up.

Might chuck Exile on now.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:40 pm
Not aware of the RSPCA solution jump – some sort of billet system ? Wonder how many Congolese child soldiers Julian Burnside took in ?

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 10:41 pm
Greg, the comment was in response to my earlier comment on advocacy groups.

7.57pm.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:41 pm
The POGO – “Passports and ID are confiscated by people smugglers as a conditions of passage”.

And quite rightly so. Why would anyone in Australia have any interest in the bona fides of these future citizens? I’m sure they all tell the truth when interviewed especially if their introduction to The Australian way of life consisted of watching the last week of our parliament.

GrantB

1 Dec 12 at 10:41 pm
Louis Hissink

1 Dec 12 at 10:41 pm
And a follow up a few minutes later mention $200.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:42 pm
Tom
Curse you, the last time i heard that it replayed in my head for a week.

jumpnmcar

1 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Isn’t it interesting that the left trumpets the UN as the holy grail and gold standard of governance and probity when it comes to world affairs especially on refugees.

But then expects Australia to go it alone on refugees. Apparently desiring our Embassies to act as refugee intake centres completely outside of the UN’s system.

It’s almost like they’re wanting us to act unilaterally like some sort of neo-con UN hating fascists.

twostix

1 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Well that’s enough Doctor Love for me.

I’m down 400 Euros.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:47 pm
Gotcha.

Related to Huxley’s ‘what we love will ruin us i guess’.

Nutritionists are a pack of fucking retards in the pay of Big Carb.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:47 pm
correction:

‘what we love will ruin us’ i guess.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 10:48 pm
Greg, it was actually following on from an earlier discussion on advocacy groups/government funded lobbyists.

They hate to share the lolly (pun intended).

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 10:51 pm
Ah, Exile. I ironed to it this morning. Sublime.

Tracey

1 Dec 12 at 10:52 pm
Thanks to the current encumbent fuckwits removing Howard’s effective policies the whole problem of illegal asylum shoppers has a level of impetus and critical mass, which is going to be even more difficult to stop.
Abbott is not only going to have to re-introduce the three-prong policies of the Howard era ( boat reversals, offshore processing and TPV’S) he is going to require additional measures to stem the tide of illegals.
I would suggest that anyone arriving by boat is prohibited FOR LIFE from accessing family reunion immigration programs.
After all, most of the investment in people smuggling is predicated on the first successful “Trojan Horse” gaining access for the whole can later.

Leigh Lowe

1 Dec 12 at 11:13 pm
(Yes, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I was a shop stupid for the CPSU. I gave it up when I got a job in management because I felt it would be a conflict of interest.)

Et tu nilk? What years and where in Melbourne?

I was a CPSU shop stupid for 8 years based out of Telstra’s NTC & NTSC in Burwood.

Brian of Moorabbin

1 Dec 12 at 11:21 pm
Non-members of the MEAA can’t win a Walkley as individuals.

Tom, it seems pretty clear you are just making that up. The terms and conditions are here:

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 11:22 pm
The Walkeys are union awards. They’re not given out to non-union members.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:30 pm
As I said Tom, you are simply making that up.

SteveC

1 Dec 12 at 11:34 pm
SteveC is right, mate.

It isn’t a closed shop for entry.

The Judges, however.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:35 pm
Laurie Oakes
Chair, Walkley Advisory Board

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:36 pm
The Walkeys are union awards. Dogshit’s Best Friend is obviously an expert who can reel off the non-union members who have won one.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:38 pm
Judges

You guys judge their fitness.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:40 pm
If you are calling me SfB’s best friend you can fuck off.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:42 pm
I don’t know Dave could be a bit of a mixed bag.

Patrick Cook is a judge for cartoons – right wing as hell. Joe Hildebrand – not sure on his politics – mate of Tim Blair’s – but I think he is fairly apolitical.

No idea on most of them.

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 11:44 pm
Hang on Pod.

So come on tom, SfB’s best friend? I’m calling you out.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:46 pm
DaveF, Dogshit’s Best Friend is one of the Steve trolls.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:47 pm
oh, SteveC? ok

I’ve got it.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:48 pm
Fuck I’m drunk.

Greg P.

1 Dec 12 at 11:51 pm
I’ve had a few myself Greg. Music, beer and blogs – makes a Saturday night go pretty quick.

BTW – go have a look at the post I saw you on before at Mangans – the guys from M4 turned up……

Podsnap

1 Dec 12 at 11:53 pm
Sorry tom. misunderstanding.

DaveF

1 Dec 12 at 11:53 pm
Greg, the Stones recorded this for you.

tom

1 Dec 12 at 11:55 pm
And misrepresented by a Affirmative action incompetent Police Commissioner who placed politically correct spin above the truth

.

Who has retreated to the last bastion of the politically correct incompetents …… Tasmania.
Unless and until, of course, someone tumbles to his breach of the Telecommunications (Interceptions) Act

Leigh Lowe

1 Dec 12 at 11:56 pm
I get out during the week. On weekends, the misanthrope in me reins supreme.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:00 am
Just want to by a ranch and fuck them all off to be honest.

Who can be bothered with all this shit?

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:02 am
The NOAA “State of the Climate in 2008” report asserted that 15 years or more without any statistically-significant warming would indicate a discrepancy between observation and prediction. Sixteen years without warming have therefore now proven that the models are wrong by their creators’ own criterion.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 12:12 am
Sixteen years now?

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 12:13 am
Gillard a liar, Labor fightback stalls, Coalition ahead 54-46: Galaxy

AN EXCLUSIVE poll conducted for News Limited this week has found the political fightback of Julia Gillard is stalling after a toxic parliamentary year ended with political attacks, smear and accusations of criminal conduct.

Just one in five voters believes she has been completely open and honest – but a majority say it will not change their vote at the next election.

Of 1015 people surveyed across Australia on Thursday and Friday nights, 31 per cent said she had lied and 31 per cent said she was economical with the truth.

Regardless, 56 per cent of voters said it would not influence their vote. According to the Galaxy Poll, 26 per cent said they were less likely to vote Labour and 9 per cent were more likely to vote Labor, suggesting a net loss for Labor in voter intention.

Tony Abbott would be elected prime minister if an election were held now with the Coalition ahead 54 per cent to 46 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 12:22 am
And it will only get worse. Hope the ALP back bench is reading this.

Podsnap

2 Dec 12 at 12:27 am
“he was just a person with a different point of view. But here that is commonly mistaken for a person being a troll.”

Bingo.

Jarrah

2 Dec 12 at 12:31 am
I always say bag not ban. But hey this stuff is tribal – lefties ban and censor, so cry me a river.

Podsnap

2 Dec 12 at 12:37 am
A troll is someone who shows up purely to provoke angry responses.

A person can present complex and detailed arguments, but only to provoke angry responses. A troll.

A person can provoke angry responses but actually be there to debate and discuss. Not a troll.

It can be hard to judge, since trolling is really a matter of authorial intent.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 12:46 am
I will always say shoot. But I guess a noose and pole would do the job.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:47 am
Not that I’m an expert…unfortunately.

Still best to keep names.

Paul Syvret ***may*** be one for the books.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:49 am
THR was not a troll he was just a person with a different point of view. But here that is commonly mistaken for a person being a troll.

There’s a difference DS. THR was a socialist through and through. He had silly ideas in that regard but he was also a decent person and didn’t troll.

The difference between him and the assortment of fuckheads currently populating the site is that unlike them he didn’t post comments here out of spite, malice nor the intent to get back at people. In other words he was straight up.

Why is there a need to listen to their sanctimonious whining and bullshit?

We don’t need to hear their point of views as we’re all pretty well versed in knowing what angle they are going to use.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:50 am
So you’re saying the Left has no moral compass. I agree.

So you’re saying I have no moral compass. I disagree.

Okay, let me rephrase that: you don’t give a shit if the PM is dodgy as all fuck.

You have a moral compass, it’s just calibrated to “I don’t give a shit”.

Abu Chowdah

2 Dec 12 at 12:52 am
Regardless, 56 per cent of voters said it would not influence their vote.

This is either a worrying stat if the Libs overreach or they are bullshitting to the questioner. Hard call.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:52 am
Sexualised and gendered insults are thrown around at the guys all the time, without consequence.

That’s the way it is. Gendered attacks on women are verbotten. Not unusual.

There could be a consistent rule, something like this: no gender-based attacks on female commenters.

I am not saying there is such a rule, only that there could be, and it would be consistent.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 12:53 am
Okay, let me rephrase that: you don’t give a shit if the PM is dodgy as all fuck.

You have a moral compass, it’s just calibrated to “I don’t give a shit”.

Lol

moocher have a moral compass. A serial killer or child molester could be PM as long as money is redistributed to them.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:54 am
What an awful human being Laurie Oakes is. He makes this statement.

“Even when Julia Gillard attempted to pay tribute to Ricky Ponting after his retirement announcement there was uproar. “Good example. Why don’t you follow it?” yelled an Opposition member.”

What Gillard actually said was this, “I am sure even in a parliament ruled with the sort of lack of civility of the opposition … we could spend one moment celebrating what has been a great cricketing career,’ Ms Gillard said provocatively.

Laurie Oakes tries to make out for no apparent reason the Opposition exploded. Gillard made a provocative statement. Using Ponting for political purposes.

What was the Opposition supposed to do??

Neil

2 Dec 12 at 12:54 am
THR wasn’t a troll. If he got drummed out, it’s a loss to the site.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 12:54 am
Women are banal creatures.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:55 am
imho obviously.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 12:55 am
Women are banal creatures.

if by “banal” you mean “freak-damned awesome as all holy shit” then yes, yes they are.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 12:58 am
Greg P once knew a girl who was into banal, but that kinda thing ain’t his bag, baby.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 12:59 am
Might be time for Triumph des Willens and Walkürenritt.

Continual loop.

IMHO, obviously. Wouldn’t want to offend anyone.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 1:00 am
I meant:

IMHO, again, obviously.

Don’t want to offend anyone. Especially not female solicitors. You go girl.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 1:02 am
if by “banal” you mean “freak-damned awesome as all holy shit” then yes, yes they are.

hows celibacy working out for you?

(as they say in the classics)

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 1:04 am
hows celibacy working out for you?

A total disaster. I was forced to abandon it. It went down with all hands, as they say in the classics, if you know what I mean, and I think that you do, eh, squire?

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 1:06 am
It went down with all hands

lol

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 1:12 am
Glad someone got that. ‘night all.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 1:13 am
Okay, let me rephrase that: you don’t give a shit if the PM is dodgy as all fuck.

No Abu I do give a shit. Not all lefty’s think alike. If she could be that dishonest then it is hardly surprising about the other lies she has told us. Gillard has rat cunning, one educational blessing from hanging out with some types?. What’s that old saying: the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I’ll be at a BBQ tomorrow, the topic is sure to come up, it should be fun … .

BTW, on this forum I am most definitely Left, on other forums most people don’t know what to make of my position; if only because I am so fucking cynical of the whole political process that I frequently declare a pox on all modern political debate. It’s fucked and is suspect that is one reason why so many people have turned away from politics because the signal to noise ratio has become intolerable. Keep it clean, keep it clear, and people will listen even if you are wrong. Eg. Gillard’s misogyny rant.

Dead Soul

2 Dec 12 at 1:15 am
Dead Soul, the whole zeitgeist is fucking leftist. Calling yourself a centrist these days is like saying ‘i’m a non-thinking leftist bot’.

Look at the way morons like M50 argue against the left. They use their same pc SHAMING terms and thus play into the lefts hands.

3/4ers of the so called right these days is on the left such has been the complete cultural marxist domination of education and media.

Greg P.

2 Dec 12 at 1:26 am
There could be a consistent rule, something like this: no gender-based attacks on female commenters.

If you do that Gillard wins.

Or is it the opposite and the mysogynists win?

Either way they both would approve of it (special protection for women from men) which is a little weird when you think about it.

twostix

2 Dec 12 at 1:36 am
Pretty amazing hearing a whole stadium of Welsh singing their anthem. Go Wallabies!

Cold-Hands

2 Dec 12 at 1:37 am
Calling yourself a centrist these days is like saying ‘i’m a non-thinking leftist bot’.

Greg I don’t even know what “centrist” means in these days. My concerns are more about the communication process in politics. People like MK50 don’t seem to realise that their very language is evidence enough for most people not to bother listening. Basically: bees to honey. To be perfectly frank I think people who continually engage in denouncing the morality, intellect, mental stability or character of their protagonists are doing exactly what you suggest: playing into the Left’s hands. Ironically one of their great heroes, Reagan, was much kinder and tolerant of his political opponents. He saw them as friendly competitors, not demons who are demented or whatever. But of course as some have suggested Reagan was much more a centrist when compared to today’s Right.

Dead Soul

2 Dec 12 at 1:41 am
They use their same pc SHAMING terms and thus play into the lefts hands.

Consciously co-opting their terms and language and using it against them can be a winning strategy.

twostix

2 Dec 12 at 1:42 am
Different days now, DS. The left now is hellbent on destroying or crippling the capitalist economic system. They don”t know what they want to replace it with, but they want to cripple it anyway.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 1:49 am
But of course as some have suggested Reagan was much more a centrist when compared to today’s Right.

Yeah like when he openly and regularly denounced communists, openly talked about his faith in Jesus Christ and while sitting as president wrote a book denouncing abortion.

A real “centrist” compared to “the right” today who don’t dare use the C or S word anymore never speak openly about religion and have completely accepted abortion in its radical late term form.

twostix

2 Dec 12 at 1:51 am
Yeah like when he openly and regularly denounced communists, openly talked about his faith in Jesus Christ and while sitting as president wrote a book denouncing abortion.

yeah like the left doesn’t have religious people. There is a big difference between denouncing an ideology and questioning the intellectual and moral integrity of one’s political opponents. Find me one example of where Reagan spoke about his political opponents in the same way as people here speak about the Left being morally bankrupt, stupid, psychopathological.

Dead Soul

2 Dec 12 at 1:59 am
But of course as some have suggested Reagan was much more a centrist when compared to today’s Right.

Ah yes. Along with the Pox On Both Their Houses, another lefty polemical classic is The Moderate Conservative So Much More Admirable Than Today’s Conservatives.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 2:15 am
Find me one example of where Reagan spoke about his political opponents in the same way as people here speak about the Left being morally bankrupt, stupid, psychopathological.

He was always making fun of “liberals”. In fact Reagan actually made the tag “liberal” to sound as like “racist” does today.

Reagan wasn’t abusive, but don’t think for a moment he felt any different towards the left than say any rightie here.

His attack was different format. It sounded gentlemanly but was no less communicative than say when I refer to the greenslime.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 2:28 am
No Abu I do give a shit. Not all lefty’s think alike.

I’m sure you do, and I’m sure not all lefties think alike.

I was just responding to you earlier statement which bluntly sets out that your left wing friends (or your perception of the Australian left wing public) simply don’t care if the PM engaged in wrongdoing 17 years ago.

I do care, and I wouldn’t call my position left or right. Old fashioned, maybe.

Abu Chowdah

2 Dec 12 at 2:29 am
THR wasn’t a troll. If he got drummed out, it’s a loss to the site.

Yes, I agree.

FDB was always a fun contributor, too.

Abu Chowdah

2 Dec 12 at 2:32 am
If some of you dudes are upset about the loss of a leftie commenter I’m happy to indulge you and make pretend leftie comments.

It’s easy to pretend to be a leftwing idiot.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 2:36 am
I went to a street Xmas party last evening and had an argument with a pretentious self satisfied dickhead that you only find in Australia.

Of course it was about Da US how the Kenyan is a good pres and that all he was wants to do is help the underclass, which is huge.

He came up with the usual first line of bullshit.

American whites are racist.

I told him I know a lots of Americans in fact I have an American daughter and never heard a racist comment out of their/her mouth. Also the lions share of the Kenyan’s supprt came from whites, which hardly implies racism.

Da American healthcare system is shit.

I told him that it is in fact the best healthcare system in the world. He shouldn’t confuse the delivery with the insurance method.

Wages are too low for the lower income earners.

I told him that the elephant in the room was the fact there are 12 million illegals competing for jobs which has had an impact on US wages at the bottom quintile.

I also suggested it was a golden age for da equality because so many people jumped the border and earning multiples more than the rat infested hovels they came from.

He said that he read in the Economist that there is a beneficial effect on having a higher legislated minimum wage.

I told him that I would bet he read that crap in one of their blogs and if it were true then the supply curve would have to be upward sloping which would revolutionize economics. It would mean that the higher you raised the price on a good on or service the more you would sell. It didn’t sound plausible.

He said that the US rich should pay more in taxes.

I told him that the top 3% income earners pay something like 30 or 40% of income taxes.

He couldn’t take it anymore and called my assertions “bullshit”.

I nicely told him that he was wrong on every single point he made and was ill informed. He walked off in a huff.

Lesson:

I’m not going to take this bullshit anymore without lobbing it down their fucking throats.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 2:52 am
I’m happy to indulge you and make pretend leftie comments.

Love it! You could invent a whole new persona for our pretend-leftie-by-JC.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 2:53 am
Oh Okay I will then

From now on I’ll be the resident leftie troll. It’s so fucking easy. Think of the most irrational, softhead crap, put it in flowery writing and post it here.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 2:55 am
Maybe call him Nigel. Do you have a spare email address you could use so he gets his own moniker? It’d be a huge about of fun.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 3:02 am
Recently lefties in the US and Aus have reanimated George W. Bush and Howard as conservatives they apparently used to respect and admire. I’m sure we all remember that well.

Romney and McCain were both lefties dream choices for conservative Presidents.

Methinks we shouldn’t listen to lefties too much.

Infidel Tiger

2 Dec 12 at 3:02 am
amount

tom

2 Dec 12 at 3:02 am
You sound extraordinarily good value at parties JC.

Infidel Tiger

2 Dec 12 at 3:07 am
THR and FDB were pretty smart cookies. Take them any day over the dunces who have drifted in here after the closure of Lavatory Pronto.

Abu Chowdah

2 Dec 12 at 3:08 am
We need Jason Soon back here. He was always able to keep a pretty tight rein on SfB’s more crazy nanny tendencies.

I think Steve may have had the hots for him.

Infidel Tiger

2 Dec 12 at 3:11 am
A great Wallaby victory snatched from defeat through sheer desperation, bringing the ball the length of the field from a lineout 5m out from the tryline. The only effective line break in the last minute of normal time saw a try in the corner. A fitting send off for old warhorse Nathan Sharpe.

Cold-Hands

2 Dec 12 at 3:30 am
What an utterly shit performance by the Wallabies and yet we still won. Sack Deans now.

tbh

2 Dec 12 at 3:36 am
England flogged the All Blacks.

Infidel Tiger

2 Dec 12 at 3:37 am
That’s even worse.

tbh

2 Dec 12 at 3:57 am
SoB got the boot? Where/when?

Oh come on

2 Dec 12 at 4:50 am
I told him that the top 3% income earners pay something like 30 or 40% of income taxes.

I remember a BBC interview with some Hillary Clinton-supporting American woman who married a Rothschild (ie. she’s loaded). The woman was basically a sane, blue-dog Democrat, and was interview just after Obama got the Dem nomination. She didn’t support Obama because she didn’t think his ‘let’s soak the rich’ rhetoric was particularly bright. The BBC interviewer was clearly incredulous that anyone could possibly not support Obama. One classic moment was when the Rothschild woman pointed out that raising taxes on the rich wasn’t a good idea, because the top 10% already pay 70% of federal taxes. The BBC woman’s instant response “well, couldn’t they pay more?”

This is the mentality we’re dealing with.

Oh come on

2 Dec 12 at 5:22 am
Public Assets Tax. In reality, mining and petroleum royalties, the PRRT and the MRRT are in effect “taxes” on resources that are deemed to be Public Assets – notwithstanding that they wouldn’t be known to exist without the investment of initiative, capital and expertise by the mining and oil companies.

My question is why single out the resources industries? Why not charge all enterprises that utilise public assets a similar percentage of their revenues (7.5% royalty for the iron ore producers) plus the “super profits” taxes?

How did Kerry Packer make his fortune? Exploitation of under-priced TV licenses. How do the banks make so much money? Exploitation of the monopsony granted by their access to rare banking licenses and government guarantees.

Broadband spectrum; resumed land corridors used for highways, airports, power stations; flight corridors used for aviation; licenses to operate poker machines. In fact, any license to do anything is a restricted privilige to utilise a public asset that should be charged for.

I am proposing that Australia introduce a Public Assets Tax that identifies all public assets being exploited, and applies a standard, across the board, fair to all set of charges and taxes that reflect directly the value of the public assets and the revenues and profits being derived from them.

Why should one industry (the resources sector) be heavily charged while other industries using public assets are charged very little?

We would need a bureaucracy to identify the public assets and to evaluate the benefits being derived from those who exploit them. However, I venture to suggest that if the Public Assets Tax were applied across all public assets that the revenues raised would be very considerable.

The tax would be efficient, fair and equitable. The same rules and taxes would apply for all users of public assets.

I acknowledge that I am not an economist. I also acknowledge that there may be discussion of this issue in quarters that I am not aware of.

mondo

2 Dec 12 at 6:29 am
@mondo
JC, good effort.

jumpnmcar

2 Dec 12 at 7:09 am
I’m only stating the bleeding obvious after reading some of the comments above, but this site would be further improved by deleting numbers, while anyone who thinks SfB is a loss is displaying masochistic tendencies.
Best comments yesterday were those relating to fabianism, carbon credits and the undermining of the west, money and capitalism thereby.
Worst: pick any of numbers’ sloganiferous sledges that a schoolboy could have written for him, at least one with a respectable naplan score.

Blogstrop

2 Dec 12 at 7:12 am
Public assets taxes?
That’ll be a hard one. I have a micro reform that would be easy though, and it involves a public asset called welfare payments. Limit the child support to the first four children, then taper it off really severely.
The moslems are living well on it, with huge families. Figures on sydney suburban seats that came out in the discussion of the UN Pali vote also demonstrate that people like obeid are power brokers riding on the back of the demographics, which Steyn warns are destiny.

Blogstrop

2 Dec 12 at 7:18 am
I seem to recall that m0nty very smugly predicted that voters would be deserting the Coalition over their handling of the Gillard-AWU “smear campaign”.

Sadly (for m0nty) it appears not to be the case.

An exclusive poll conducted for News Limited this week has found the political fightback of Julia Gillard is stalling after a toxic parliamentary year ended with political attacks, smear and accusations of criminal conduct.

Just one in five voters believes she has been completely open and honest – but a majority say it will not change their vote at the next election.

Other interesting figures from the poll:

– 31 per cent said she had lied and 31 per cent said she was economical with the truth
– 56 per cent of voters said it (the AWU scandal) would not influence their vote. 26 per cent said they were less likely to vote Labour while 9 per cent were more likely to vote Labor.
– 60 per cent of those surveyed though the Prime Minister should make a full account of her involvement in the affair through a statement to Parliament.

And finally:

Tony Abbott would be elected prime minister if an election were held now with the Coalition ahead 54 per cent to 46 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

Assuming a uniform national swing, that would deliver the Coalition up to 20 seats if an election was held now including Treasurer Wayne Swan’s Queensland electorate and dump and end the political careers of other cabinet ministers including Craig Emerson, Gary Gray and Peter Garrett.

– Primary vote support for the ALP was just 34 per cent a drop of 1 per cent since the last Galaxy survey on November 2-4
– Support for the Coalition increased from 47 to 48 per cent
– Support for the Greens was unchanged at 11 per cent.

Brian of Moorabbin

2 Dec 12 at 7:39 am
Bolt’s story Local Warming indicates that Flannery has been hanging around too many labor and media types, and has caught the in flagrante delicto virus which has become their trademark.
Link.

Blogstrop

2 Dec 12 at 7:43 am
Et tu nilk? What years and where in Melbourne?

I was a CPSU shop stupid for 8 years based out of Telstra’s NTC & NTSC in Burwood.

Late 80s early 90s in various offices. I was in Cust Service (can’t remember the initials any more!) and also involved in rolling out new systems. I never worked at Burwood, though.

nilk

2 Dec 12 at 7:46 am
Speaking of Flannery, Albanese flagged changes to taxing of geo thermal projects in Parliament the other day.
Flanners hot rock investments may reverse their downward trend when that gets up.

jumpnmcar

2 Dec 12 at 7:56 am
On Weight Watchers. There is no food, you eat your own food. The plan costs around $70/month on a payment plan or $17/18 per meeting which are weekly. It is not a diet but a lifestyle which is why it works.

Now should the Govt pay for people to attend? No. Motivation is the key not the money, but saying that what incentive is there for someone to work at it if they have no financial stake in it. Govt payment would just be another waste, benefitting a large company, not the taxpayer.

I would however support a reimbursement scheme where the medically obese are able to claim the meeting costs when they reach agreed goals for eg 5% or 10 kg losses. Better would be the govt supplying CSIRO or Low GI dietary information to locally based volunteer support groups that work on a similar premise to WW, ie weigh ins, goal setting, support and lifestyle changes. Local and non profit, not public service but community based.

Dianeh

2 Dec 12 at 8:15 am
Ah yes. Along with the Pox On Both Their Houses, another lefty polemical classic is The Moderate Conservative So Much More Admirable Than Today’s Conservatives.

And you classical polemic is hate, hate, hate, hate, hate hate, hate hate.

Fuck off hater.

Dead Soul

2 Dec 12 at 8:15 am
Blog strop

Not four children, only two. After that you pay for your own.

Still eligible for free education, Medicare etc just no family allowance or any welfare based on low incomes. Of course disabled children should always receive full support regardless of how many children in the family.

And it should be implemented as soon as the Govt changes but it should not be retrospective. There are too many kids born into large welfare families that would starve if the welfare were cut for them. Although I am not against part of the payment made as education, food and utility vouchers.

Dianeh

2 Dec 12 at 8:22 am
Lyn Allison proves on Australian Agenda why the Democrats were unelectable by saying that it’s perfectly okay for politicians once in office to reneg on prior promises made to the electorate.

Mark Latham also proves on Australian Agenda why he was unelectable as Labor leader with body language showing he was barely holding it together at times and that his bullying nature was simmering just below the surface.

Peter Van Onselen discusses the matter with a lot of reluctance, seems bored by it, and I suspect, wishes (like a lot of Lefties) that it would just go away.

Nick Minchin argued well, but it was clear that he should have properly briefed before hand, because he could have given stronger answers.

I was most impressed with Paul Kelly – he seemed to have a better understanding of the AWU matter, however I do think that his knowledge isn’t as complete as it should be.

A Lurker

2 Dec 12 at 9:15 am
The Galaxy poll has Abbott moving one point up, Morgan had Gillard moving one point up. All well within the margin of error. Wait for all polls to cycle through before passing judgement.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 9:20 am
Listening to commentary from ole leather face – I’m sure I’ve woken into a parallel universe today….Sell the ABC!!!

Dianne

2 Dec 12 at 9:38 am
Can anyone remember the name of the University of Tasmania politics lecturer/professor who posted here this year?

tom

2 Dec 12 at 9:39 am
Dianeh

Weightwatchers does have food, substitutes which are specific values in their point counting system, the substitutes are not compulsory nor are they extensive in range.

You call it a lifestyle, I call it a diet. You watch what you eat.

kae

2 Dec 12 at 9:44 am
however I do think that his knowledge isn’t as complete as it should be.

There may not be a lack of knowledge, but rather a reticence to visit details which may draw an angry letter from the prime minister’s ~~cesspool~~ office because of an unfortunately timed breath.
Another thing to keep in mind is the value of that double edged sword, access.

lotocoti

2 Dec 12 at 9:51 am
Lefty Tactics Lesson No. 235,114

Mk50:

…genuine refugees in a genuine refugee camp still subject to continual islamic attacks where they were routinely kidnapped, killed, enslaved, raped, tortured etc etc etc.
… have been murdered by janjaweed (muslim bandits)…

Comment: Note how specific this point is. It Islamists involved in the atrocities are specified as Janjaweed. One specific bandit-terrorist group aligned to the North Sudanese Government. “Both victims and international observers allege that the Janjaweed are no longer the scrappy militias of yore, but rather well-equipped fighting forces that enjoy the overt assistance of the Sudanese government. In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in June 2004, a field researcher with Human Rights Watch stated that the Sudanese army was openly recruiting horse-owning Arab men, promising them a gun and a monthly salary of $116 in exchange for joining a Janjaweed cohort. The International Crisis Group says that money that gets paid to the Janjaweed “comes directly from booty captured in raids on villages,” giving them an additional incentive to act with extreme brutality.”

Numbers:

…you obviously have a problem of bigotry against Muslims

Comment: Note that Numbers has taken a specific comment about a specific bandit-terrorist group’s murderous actions and expanded it to incorporate the entire Muslim world. He then uses this falsehood to make an accusation of bigotry.
The definition of bigot is: “One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.”
As can be seen at a glance, his logic here is quite wrong. Therefore, Numbers is conducting a ‘smear’: a labelling or demonisation else based on a falsehood Numbers himself has created.

Mk50:

And yes, I DO have a problem with muslims who:
1. take slaves
2. rape and pack rape pre-pubescent girls
3. rape and pack rape anyone
4. murder people
5. torture people

in fact, I have a serious problem with anyone who does any of these irrespective of their race, colour, creed or mental state at the time.

Comment: Self-explanatory

Numbers:

I also have a problem with individuals who pack rape and murder.

[Even a lefty has to say this sort of motehrhood statement even if they are actually fanbois of the usual communist mega-atrocities.]

Last time I checked, this behaviour wasn’t confined to Muslims.

Comment: Here, Numbers insinuates that his interlocutor has said that ‘all muslims behave like Janjaweed’. Examination of the posts shows this to be a lie: the atrocity issue revolves around Janjaweed, and janjaweed only. The only person implying that all Muslims act as Janjaweed is actually Numbers.

Numbers:

A bigot is a person who characterises the behaviour of a whole group based on the behaviour of individuals in that group.
You sir, are a rolled gold bigot,

Comment: No, this is not the definition of bigotry. Nor does the series of posts support the comment. This argument is false as presented: the industive fallacies and fallacies of presentation used by Numbers glaringly obvious.

Conclusion

This is a nice simple example of one of the most basic smear styles most common among lefties. Bereft of logic it may be: this style is particularly effective against honest people who (thanks to ‘educators’ like Numbers) receive no education in logic or rhetoric during their schooling. These subjects have effectively vanished from the syllabus for a reason – it is more difficult for any honest person to define the dishonesty of their interlocutor without these tools.

Here, Numbers has showed himself to be fundamentally dishonest, and can be considered a person of negligible worth, value or integrity if he keeps up ibn this vein.

And he’s been schooling children. How Gramscian.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 9:57 am
I live in China.
Please don’t campaign to downgrade Australia’s diplomatic service further. If you have never been a diplomat, please do not stand enviously on the side and dictate how our diplomats should live.
It would be much better to campaign for higher educational standards and professionalism from our diplomats who already, quite frankly, often look shabby and appear uneducated in many countries where they represent Australia.
A rational approach to government cost-cutting would involve a proper accounting system which quantified overhead for each policy administered to see if the policy costs far exceed the benefits. In addition to bringing in proper accounting for cost analysis, a review of programs would show overlap and duplication. Finally, cutting environmental programs alone would bring mega-savings as these reach into all areas of government.
If you would like an example of the poor intellectual level of our foreign policy gurus, I ask you to read the recent White Paper on the Asian Century – a cobbled-together cut-and-paste job which would not pass as a decent first-year University assignment.

kate

2 Dec 12 at 10:04 am
Wow. Old leatherface’s first 3 words on Insiders: “Well Tony Abbott…”

Left it on as background noise. They might actually say something interesting at some point (I can dream, can’t I?)

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 10:04 am
The Galaxy poll has Abbott moving one point up, Morgan had Gillard moving one point up. All well within the margin of error. Wait for all polls to cycle through before passing judgement.

Fat boy, are you having some sort of sugar high. WTF is all that supposed to mean.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 10:11 am
Hey Mark, how did you get on re the P14?

Eddystone

2 Dec 12 at 10:14 am
Can anyone remember the name of the University of Tasmania politics lecturer/professor who posted here this year?

I think you mean Professor Aynsley Kellows?

Cold-Hands

2 Dec 12 at 10:22 am
Bingo. Thank you, CH.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 10:27 am
I remember the good Professor because he brought to my attention that Newspoll had decreased the sample size of its polls. This explained its recent volatility.

Cold-Hands

2 Dec 12 at 10:30 am
The Galaxy poll has Abbott moving one point up, Morgan had Gillard moving one point up. All well within the margin of error. Wait for all polls to cycle through before passing judgement.

Fat boy, are you having some sort of sugar high. WTF is all that supposed to mean.

JC
2 Dec 12 at 10:11 am

Just keep a link to it for next time the polls nudge the other way and M0nty gets excited about it.

entropy

2 Dec 12 at 10:32 am
I should watch Meet the Press but I can’t face an interview with the Red Dalek. It’s too nice a morning to sully it with her vitriol.

Cold-Hands

2 Dec 12 at 10:36 am
Ol’ Leathery needs to get some professional help. He is the ALPBC’s Captain Ahab, forever chasing his Great White Whale.

Congratulations to Leigh Sales on her Walkley too, rapidly joining the Sydney and Nobel Peace Prizes in the self- congratulatory gong firmament. Anyone who witnessed her deranged ravings during 2012 cannot be left in any doubt she is a special media performer.

H B Bear

2 Dec 12 at 10:38 am
Eddystone: postponed it. Currently getting a Martini-Henry Mk II (577/450) and a Mk IV (577/450) from International Military Antiques.

They bought the Nepalese Arsenal, and it’s a once-only chance to get these Enfields at a very reasonable price. They also have Sniders!

of course, you then pay $5.50 a cartridge for brass…..

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 10:47 am
Would it be good to get the AWU slush fund money back? Even The Useful Idiot Monty agrees with that. Is Gillard helping or hindering? Everyone also agrees that she is hindering. So we all agree with an inquiry. Our only disagreement is that if found guilty Monty would still vote for Gillard. Hence the only value Monty provides is mild amusement.

Honesty

2 Dec 12 at 10:59 am
Mark, I’m thinking of going down that line myself, in fact the Adelaide Gun Shop had both a Martini Henry and a Snider for about $750 each just the other day.

Yes the brass is dear, and then you have to find a way of making them group, but great fun.

Eddystone

2 Dec 12 at 11:00 am
Bolt had a good Bolt Report this morning. Abbott allowed to finish a statement!!!!

Costa bucketed Carr.

Mike of Marion

2 Dec 12 at 11:08 am
@Mk50
The only part of your self-justifying post relevant to my comment is its context, that of my comments on asylum seekers and your clearly articulated view that they are evil and should be punished.
Your bigotry is so stark that your characterisation of their religion as evil – “they rape Christians” is used as your rationale for this. And you have the hide to claim this is somehow logical.
Stick to playing with guns. Logic is beyond your capacity.

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 11:10 am
So Tim Flannery is dating a dildo expert?

Somewhere, Steve from Brisbane is jumping for joy.

They are both authors with Text Publishing.

Now it seems the esteemed 2007 Aussie of the Year – mammalogist, palaeontologist, environmentalist and climate-change activist Tim Flannery – shares a little more than that with stablemate Kate Holden, the acclaimed author and former heroin-addicted prostitute who wrote about her life in her book, In My Skin.

Although they seem to be at opposite ends of the publishing spectrum (she writes about pink dildos, he charts the history of life on our planet), the Melbourne-based couple are, we hear, dating and were spotted at a paper stall earlier in the year but have not been public since.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 11:14 am
The Galaxy poll has Abbott moving one point up, Morgan had Gillard moving one point up. All well within the margin of error. Wait for all polls to cycle through before passing judgement.

LOL.

Galaxy has Abbott’s Coalition with a massive lead:

Tony Abbott would be elected prime minister if an election were held now with the Coalition ahead 54 per cent to 46 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 11:17 am
Given the quality of Dim Flummery’s previous works, he probably would be better off writing about dildos.

Rabz

2 Dec 12 at 11:19 am
Stand to be corrected but I have the impression from The Insiders this morning that, notwithstanding their dislike if Abbott, they were consigning this govt to certain decaf at the next election.

I can’t believe that Gullards refusal to answer a question unless Abbott asked it passed by without any comment.

tiny dancer

2 Dec 12 at 11:21 am
Just listening to the radio repeat of Insiders.

Christine Milne is sharing her wisdom on refugees. Open door baby.

Oh and it’s AbbottAbbottAbbott that killed a thousand people as well.

I’ve said this before: I’m not sure whose voice grates more, her or Gillard.

Mysoginy, I know.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 11:22 am
Gullards refusal to answer a question unless Abbott asked it

What was the question?

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 11:25 am
Yeah, tiny dancer, the tone of Insiders is that Labor are toast.

Liberty quote “I think Labor are thinking we’ll suffer a defeat, not a rout.”

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 11:34 am
Bongiorno actually tried to question Gillard about the AWUWRA affair on Meet the Press. Is the tide turning?

Lloyd

2 Dec 12 at 11:45 am
Well THAT was a surprise. Paul Bongiorno on Meet the Press asking Gillard probing questions on AWUWRA. His frustration with Gillard’s evasions was obvious.

Steve of Ferny Hills

2 Dec 12 at 11:45 am
Insiders pretty much mocked Abbott for spending a Saturday with his RFS team and the Sunday running a marathon – AS A GUIDE FOR A BLIND RUNNER.

Gentle mockery, to be sure, but that was the tone.

I despair.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 11:52 am
Don’t recall the actual question. Bishop asked it. It was about the AWH affair and she asked for a yes or no answer. Gillard said she would answer it if Abbott asked it and sat down. I can’t begin to portray the petulant way Gillard answered. The speaker just sat there as if all questions were answered that way. It was horrendously ugly

tiny dancer

2 Dec 12 at 12:03 pm
Insiders was pretty appalling, except for the ever impressive Nikki Saava. But for the most part I felt like I was in a parallel universe watching Cassidy, Farr and Aitkins.

Lloyd

2 Dec 12 at 12:05 pm
I was in a parallel universe

You are. It’s called Catallaxy and reduces all human behaviour to transactional processes.
It’s very sick and sad place……

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
No one is forcing you to be here, hypocrite.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 12:15 pm
Labor values are indoctrinated early in life. Here is one beneficiary learning Gonski recommendations by Rote.

Get free stuff
The state will look after you
Don’t think, that’s what you have a government for

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 12:16 pm
Why the change of heart from Bongiorno?
I know he was briefly a Cathoic Priest in the 1970′s but I am sure he wouldn’t be worried about the Royal Commssion.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 12:17 pm
You are. It’s called Catallaxy and reduces all human behaviour to transactional processes.
It’s very sick and sad place……

Cretin.

Lloyd

2 Dec 12 at 12:17 pm
It’s very sick and sad place……

So sick the spud peeler can’t stay away.

Fuck off agent orange, if we wanted an opinion from an emotional cripple we would ask for one.

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 12:19 pm
Lefty Tactics Lesson No. 235,115 – the Ground Shift/Smear-and-Sneer

Numbers:

@Mk50
The only part of your self-justifying post relevant to my comment is its context, that of my comments on asylum seekers and your clearly articulated view that they are evil and should be punished

In this example, the leftard does two things.
1. having no answer in logic to the dissection of their effort to fabricate a smear, the leftard will airily dismiss the entire matter as “self-justifying”, or ‘out of context’.
2. The leftard will then move to shift ground, both to distance itself from its previous disastrous position, and to get closer to grounds it feels more comfortable on: ie – “asylum seekers … are evil and should be punished” (although why Numbers thinks this and says in in this projection of his inner feelings is a mystery).

This is normally backed up with a further array of confected falsehoods. However, leftards are very far from being the smartest of Gods hominids (that’s a joke, for the lefties reading), so they tend to repeat previous blunders.

Foer example:

Your bigotry is so stark

Comment: Here, the lefty repeats a prior smear,despite it already being demonstrated as a falsehood the lefty itself has created out of whole cloth. This is quite common in leftards generally, as it is a form of projection of their own innate bigotry. The definition of bigotry is: “A bigot is a person who characterises the behaviour of a whole group based on the behaviour of individuals in that group.” Here, the innate bigotry of the lefty is illustrated by its insistence that any behaviour or thought outside that approved by its own group (and therefore not in accordance with its own view) is bigoted. Unfortunately, this view is itself a classic example of bigoted thinking. Therefore, what the leftard is doing in this example is classic lefty projection.

that your characterisation of their religion as evil – “they rape Christians” is used as your rationale for this.

Comment: Once detected and analysed, leftards do wriggle on the hooks they create for themselves. In this example, the lefty insists on maintaining and projecting its own bigotry: it insists that a reference clearly stated as applying to one specified group of murderers/rapists/torturers (Islamist-bandit Janjaweed) must be applied to all 2-3 billion or so Muslims world-wide.
In this case, this bigoted view (recalling the definition of bigotry above) is compounded with another deliberate falsehood: that ‘all the victims are Christians’. In fact, a cursory check of who form Janjaweed victims would show that they are all villagers and farmers and that they are such is the reason they are massacred. They are, therefore, a mix of Muslim, Christian and Animist.

Numbers:

And you have the hide to claim this is somehow logical.

Comment: This is a separate indicator from the lefty, showing that it does not appreciate the benefits of any education in logic or rhetoric at all. This is the reason these subjects were removed from educational syllabi after the left took over the education system. Without these tools, it is difficult for young minds to realise just how much utter bullsh*t the party’s ideological indoctrinators (left wing ‘teachers’) actually spout.

Numbers:

Stick to playing with guns. Logic is beyond your capacity.

Comment: Rare is the lefty who can avoid what always seems to them to be a ‘killer rebuttal’. Cursory analysis will show this is, as usual, merely a weak effort at the patronising sneer (first sentence) followed by an even weaker effort at argumentum ad hominem (second sentence).

Many leftards end their ‘argument’ with a fallacy in logic. This is a standard indicator of serious educationally deficiecies, showing that they lack the knowledge to understand that such a fallacy acts to invalidate their entire argument.

More lessons in this highly enjoyable series will follow as the subject lefty under analysis provides material.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 12:19 pm
It’s very sick and sad place……

….. a circumstance almost entirely down to me, Numbers, with my banal reactionary postings on every topic whilst managing to draw a parallel between any post and my (unverified) 4 months of potato-peeling experience in Vietnam in 1969

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 12:22 pm
Bugger Splat!
Beat me to it with the potato peeling line!

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 12:23 pm
You still haven’t answered numbers, how many refugees you are housing at your place after Gillard put our a request to all the bleeding hearts to house the overflow?

It’s just like the metro lefties who are the most vocal supporters of Aboriginals but don’t live with them, and very rarely have actual contact.

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 12:24 pm
Eddystone, I did the research. For $425 US plus ~$120 shipping for the 1880s Mk II I can get a ‘fixer-upper’ with 95% chance of it being fireable. In 1890-1910 when these were stored ‘Gupta the Nepalese armourer’ of legend used Rangoon Oil (external and woodwork) and Rangoon Grease (action and bore) and both are stable long term preservatives, and humidity there was not high. No guarantee but a good gamble.

Once fixed (I enjoy historic article restoration work like this) a fireable is worth double what you pay for it. More if in really good condition.

One thing though, do not restore according to YouTube! Clean gradually with gum turpentine ($22 per litre) from the local art store. it’s a plant extract, not mineral, and is very kind to the woodwork. Mineral turps (let alone maniacs using paint stripper and abrasives) is destructive to old wood and metal.

These are my entry to black powder and yes, I do intend to take one out pig-hunting!

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 12:30 pm
Mark, that sounds interesting. I take it these are properly constructed firearms, not village shop knockoffs?

How about import requirements, are they a problem?

If they are inoperable when imported, do they require all the firearms rigmarole?

Eddystone

2 Dec 12 at 12:35 pm
@Mk50
Some questions -
1. What is a “Leftard”. It sounds like a confection of “retard” and “left”. The word “retard” hasn’t been used by anyone (except the occasional bogan) for years. It indicates an attitude to people with intellectual impairments discredited a few decades ago. The term “left” has also been meaningless for years, although a few troglodytes who’ve been living under rocks still believe that it has a consistent meaning.
2. What is a “smear”? One meaning is linking an individual or a group with a particular negative behaviour. In your case

The illegal immigrants coming by boat (mostly muslims like the ones killing these girls) take the place of people on the genuione (sic) refugee list.

Looks as if you have it down pat. Smearing that is…..
3.

these subjects were removed from educational syllabi after the left took over the education system

That, my friend is utter bullshit. My daughter is studying Logic in 2nd year at USQ, and it’s also available as a course at U of Q (Brisbane – PHIL 1020) and at ANU (Logic & Computation). Most Australian universities offer courses or subjects either entirely devoted to, or containing significant content in the study of logic.
My third question is – are you studying the toxic art of making “facts” up as pioneered by Bolt? Or has your tin hat developed a hole?
Take your time…

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:46 pm
@Splatacrobat
3 actually. After Christmas it will probably drop to 2. Great scheme – great people.

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:47 pm
It’s just like the metro lefties who are the most vocal supporters of Aboriginals but don’t live with them, and very rarely have actual contact

.

Splat ….. I remember some years ago when someone (might have been that idiot John Safran) took one of the bro’s on a tour of inner city Melbourne, knocking on the doors of houses with “Land Rights Now” stickers in the window.
Bro explained that he was from the local tribe and he would like to live in the house which, after all, was on the land of traditional owners.
The reactions ranged from patronising to defensive, but a brilliant “gotcha” moment.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 12:48 pm
So Tim Flannery is dating a dildo expert?

Lol

This is why the cat is the go to place for everything newsy.

It’s not a shock she is seeing flannery seeing she’s the go to person on dildos.

Somehow the climate commissioner dating a dildo expert seems so so normal.

I’ve heard it all now.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:49 pm
“3 actually. After Christmas it will probably drop to 2. Great scheme – great people.”

Good.
Got room for 20,000 more?

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 12:49 pm
@Mk50

serious educationally (sic) deficiecies (sic),

BTW there’s also something faintly delusional about your spelling and grammar……

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:50 pm
My daughter is studying Logic in 2nd year at USQ,

Spuds… A little advice to her. If you’re the 50% DNA donor the girl is going to encounter problems in this subject.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:52 pm
@Leigh Lowe
No – we have 5 bedrooms. But your put-down indicates your complete and utter hypocrisy.

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:53 pm
@JC
GPA 5 so far….

1735099

2 Dec 12 at 12:53 pm
Spuds

You sure she’s yours?

I don’t wanna create any animosity between you and the little lady of course.

I’d get a used glass and get the DNA checked out if I were you as I’d be curious as all hell.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 12:57 pm
If you do get it checked, let us know spuds. You know you’re among friends here who would be sympathetic.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 1:02 pm
What the hell is a dildo expert doing dating Flannery? Is she mad?

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 1:04 pm
She knows how to plug up holes in Flannery’s statements!!

Mike of Marion

2 Dec 12 at 1:08 pm
Why gab?

He’s the ultimate dildo.

Think about it.. The coupling was inevitable.

I’m really curious now. I wonder what number card the flan takes

He could be the lucky 5,000th.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 1:10 pm
She’s lost all credibility now, JC. Clearly she has no self respect.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 1:11 pm
Lefty Tactics Lesson No. 235,116 – the ‘Nitpick’ AKA The Bait and Switch

Numbers:

@Mk50
Some questions -
1. What is a “Leftard”. It sounds like a confection of “retard” and “left”. The word “retard” hasn’t been used by anyone (except the occasional bogan) for years. It indicates an attitude to people with intellectual impairments discredited a few decades ago. The term “left” has also been meaningless for years, although a few troglodytes who’ve been living under rocks still believe that it has a consistent meaning.

Comment: Once the leftard knows it is being demolished in argument, it will routinely try to bait and switch. The standard way to do this is to pick over the minutiae of a post, looking for anything to ustulise, eve spelling mistakes will do. The above is a standard bait-and-switch effort.

2. What is a “smear”? One meaning is linking an individual or a group with a particular negative behaviour. In your case
The illegal immigrants coming by boat (mostly muslims like the ones killing these girls) take the place of people on the genuione (sic) refugee list.
Looks as if you have it down pat. Smearing that is…..

Comment: This is the first faint glimmer of any originality in the leftard’s approach, a second bait and switch attempt, but modified. In this second layer effort, an attempt is also made to switch ground back to linking janjaweed activity to illegal immigration into Australia.

3.
these subjects were removed from educational syllabi after the left took over the education system
That, my friend is utter bullshit. My daughter is studying Logic in 2nd year at USQ, and it’s also available as a course at U of Q (Brisbane – PHIL 1020) and at ANU (Logic & Computation). Most Australian universities offer courses or subjects either entirely devoted to, or containing significant content in the study of logic.

Comment: In this paragraph, the leftard believes it has found a ‘smoking gun’ and has 9with considerable glee) moved into offensive mode.

Unfortunately, the case study object lacks some basic comprehension. The allusion was to ‘teachers’ and ‘kids’ and ‘the young’. These are found in teh primary and secondary school systems. This was where I, for example, first studied both logic and rhetoric. That they still survive in the tertiary system is not a germane point.

My ~~third~~ fourth [FTFY, Numbers] question is – are you studying the toxic art of making “facts” up as pioneered by Bolt? Or has your tin hat developed a hole?
Take your time…

‘Comment: Rare is the lefty who can avoid what always seems to them to be a ‘killer rebuttal’. Cursory analysis will show this is, as usual, merely a weak effort at the patronising sneer (first sentence) followed by an even weaker effort at argumentum ad hominem (second sentence).

Many leftards end their ‘argument’ with a fallacy in logic. This is a standard indicator of serious educationally deficiecies, showing that they lack the knowledge to understand that such a fallacy acts to invalidate their entire argument.

More lessons in this highly enjoyable series will follow as the subject lefty under analysis provides material.’

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 1:16 pm
So the head of the IPCC writes porn novels describing full, young breasts and our glimate commissioner is dating a former hooker and dildo expert.

The science is well and truly fucking settled hey?

You could not make this shit up if you tried.
On the subject of flannery and dildo expert dating, has the moron made any more weather predictions? Anyone know.

Melbourne catchments are 80% full.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 1:17 pm
CL is a wicked person bringing this up. Evil.

I can’t stop laughing and wifey thinks I’m not replying to emails like I said I was and now thinks I’m blogging.

She got the word blogging from the kids who once told on me.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 1:22 pm
Eddystone

Yes, Enfield make. They also have a large supply of nepalse made marcotte action MH but the barrels are mandrel-wound built and not drawn. I would not touch one of these except as a display object. Far too dangerous to ever fire.

They also have the entire global supply of Nepalese-made Gahendras. These are a very solid, robust rifle. They Purchased the Enfields to replace the Marcottes so they could sort out production issues in the Katmandu Arsenal – the Gahendra MH was the outcome. it and teh Enfields served almost interchangeable until about 1910 (after 1895 in secondary roles).

Examination of the metallurgy has shown why the marcottes were so bad – they had not mastered uniform parts-hardening. So all the action components vary wildly in hardness and ductility. So if you geta marcotte, never fire it except as a light-load, and without a bullet!

Import – submit a Customs import form for a firearm and work with them. Your state legislation will tell you if they are listed as a firearm. here in QLD they are, as Bertram make brass for them and both dies and bullet molds are commercially available. SO I talked with the QPS Firearms branch (very good people) and submitted two PTA’s. There IS an issue in that you cannot get any serial numbers the Enfield MH might have, but that’s OK as they are going to be shipped direct to Customs, who will be expecting them and who will retain them in their armoury until the paperwork is sorted.

yes, to confirm, these are Enfield made – I do not want a Nepalese one, but one which has seen Imperial Army service.

it’s quite exciting to be able to acquire and fully restore such an historic object 110 years or so after it was last racked.

Here’s the site. Hit the ‘militaria’ and then ‘original antique guns’ tabs.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 1:30 pm
PIMF! Francotte, not marcotte

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 1:31 pm
Don’t blame me.

The quote re Flannery’s relationship with the dildo expert is from the Age.

Look, can you imagine if Flannery and Kate have a get-together with Gillard and Stedman? What would they talk about? Full dams or Greek bullshit artists? Dildos or mousse?

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 1:39 pm
Cripes, CL. The mental image there is rather dire….

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 1:41 pm
@Splatacrobat
3 actually. After Christmas it will probably drop to 2. Great scheme – great people.

Are they actual refugees or overseas students learning English that you receive a board allowance for?

“Great scheme”

Either way you would be getting some sort of subsidy from the gubbermint or are you funding their expenses out of your own pocket?

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
They are billeting out reffos to Numbers?
Shit!
That is cruel and unusual punishment.
The persecution in the homeland, the perilous sea voyage, then at the end of it all to be stuck with Numbers, regaling them with stories of his adventures with the 22nd Airborne Spud Peelers in ‘nam in 1969.
On second thoughts, let’s cycle them all through Numbers place ….. they will be pleasing to be returned home within two weeks.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 1:52 pm
Sigh …. Predictive text …. Pleading not pleasing

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 1:55 pm
ElectricityWatch.

Julia Gillard has announced a ‘plan’ to bring down power prices. She says she’ll set up a ‘panel’ and ‘name and shame’ companies spending too much on “poles and wires.”

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 2:02 pm
What the hell is a dildo expert doing dating Flannery? Is she mad?</blockquote

Stick with the dildo love, at least it will not lie to you.

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 2:04 pm
Flannery is married, and is said to live riverside in Sydney.

But he is more flower child than scientist — if you’ve heard his Gaia baloney you’d understand — so dating a dildo expert is within his realm..

Harold

2 Dec 12 at 2:14 pm
Numbers and some of his buddies going over the top during Operation “French Fries”.

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 2:15 pm
Civilisation is obviously way too risky in Tasmania and should be cancelled immediately. Is there a Greens suggardaddy who could bankroll the replacement of the state economy with a national park?:

Formula One driver Mark Webber’s adventure marathon has blown up a wildlife storm in Tasmania, where an event helicopter rotor-blasted a nesting colony of threatened fairy terns.

Teams in the multi-sport event were kayaking near Scamander on the island’s east coast when the helicopter swooped to within 20 metres of the colony, according to the group, BirdLife Tasmania.

Event organiser Mark Perry, confirmed the “most unfortunate” incident, which he said was a brief, inadvertent maneuver over a bird sensitive area at the mouth of the Scamander River.

“When the nesting was observed the helicopter immediately moved away, after less than 40 seconds in the area,” Mr Perry said.

BirdLife Tasmania convenor, Eric Woehler, said the incident jeopardised the colony’s breeding season.

Dr Woehler, said it was highly probable there would be some loss of life among the terns, but the colony could not be assessed without disturbing them further.

“The high temperatures at Scamander during the incident could easily have caused the eggs and chicks to die from heat stress, resulting in low to nil breeding success,” Dr Woehler said.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 2:28 pm
Hey Splat!
Be fair.
If you look closely at the photo of the 22nd Airborne Potato Peelers, they are using KNIVES.
None of your cissy potato peelers with a protective plastic sheath for them!
No sirree.
You will note that the one on the left is wearing the Purple Potato Peeler decoration ….. obviously peeled some skin for King and Country.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 2:33 pm
Tom … wasn’t it Weber who called Victoria a nanny state when Lewis Hamilton was done for doing a burn out during the Grand Prix a few years ago?
What will he now say about Tassie?

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 2:40 pm
Tom,

I remember Aynsley Kellow posting on Catallaxy.

The Professor’s book: Science and Public Policy: The Virtuous Corruption of Virtual Environmental Science is an interesting read, if it is still obtainable.

ella

2 Dec 12 at 3:06 pm
Thanks, Ella.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 3:15 pm
BirdLife Tasmania convenor, Eric Woehler, said the incident jeopardised the colony’s breeding season.

Who gives a shit?

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 3:31 pm
How many birds have been killed by wind farms? What’s Woehler got to say about that?

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 3:34 pm
She says she’ll set up a ‘panel’ and ‘name and shame’ companies spending too much on “poles and wires.”

So now if your wires can even remotely be blamed for a bushfire, you’re in the shit. But if you spend too much making sure that can’t happen, you’re in the shit. Only one of these has legal ramifications thus far, however.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 3:36 pm
BirdLife Tasmania convenor, Eric Woehler, said the incident jeopardised the colony’s breeding season.

If they spent less time calling everyone names and more time working with rural, forestry, and recreational outdoorspeople on a congenial basis, they’d have a better time of it. Most people would re-route if you just bloody well asked them nicely.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 3:43 pm
How many birds have been killed by wind farms? What’s Woehler got to say about that?

We have to weigh it up; it’s either wind farms or the apocalypse. So if wind farms chop up babies and old folks then really that’s just a sacrifice we’ll have to make.

wreckage

2 Dec 12 at 3:45 pm
Gab,

See my post to Tom above.

I’ve beeen told that under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 in Scotland it is an offense “to snare, shoot or blow up” the Loch Ness Monster.

ella

2 Dec 12 at 3:48 pm
…but there’s no evidence the Loch Ness Monster exists!…oh never mind, it’s up there with councils imposing new regulations due to the imaginary sea rises.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 3:51 pm
The Owl and the pussycat sitting in a tree.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 3:59 pm
Kevin Rudd says federal politicians ‘scratching their heads’ at LNP ‘weird civil war’ in Queensland.

Um, hell-oh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-U2_Qj9tM

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 4:04 pm
I love owls.

Hey, that cat wasn’t trying to eat him?

Amazing.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 4:07 pm
CL:

I love owls.

Esoteric, that.

I don’t even know the best way to cook the little buggers!

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 4:13 pm
No, I love owls more than you do!

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 4:16 pm
A complete lie.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 4:18 pm
AUSTRALIA’S biosecurity system will be upgraded for the first time in more than a century, supporting stronger powers for monitoring, controlling and responding to risks.

And about time too.
But who’s doing that?

Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Senator Joe Ludwig said this week’s introduction to the Senate of legislation to update the Quarantine Act 1908 would protect Australia offshore and at the border in the future.

Ooh no!! We’ll have unsellable footnmouth cattle if this mob are allowed to fugitup.

Ludwig said subordinate legislation would be released in coming months.

And the cost will be horrendous because they won’t be in power to pay for it.
Still it may get a few votes back from the greens.

jumpnmcar

2 Dec 12 at 4:24 pm
No you’re lying.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 4:25 pm
He didn’t know he was being filmed.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 4:27 pm
Future GOP prez hopeful? VP choice for Rubio?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-ayotte-offers-gop-an-influential-new-voice/2012/11/30/897dfbb6-3a5f-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Ignore the stupid leftwing bullshit in the story though.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 4:55 pm
you reckon Kenyancare will be the law of the land?

Don’t be so sure. There are 47 pending lawsuits.

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/30/could-obamacare-go-the-way-of

JC

2 Dec 12 at 5:01 pm
Here is the deal with the Walkleys. Entry is free for MEAA members and around $500 per entry for non-members. Journalists nominate themselves with selection of their works. Union members always seem to win – no suprises there.

What a joke the Gold Walkley winner- for a prurient story about Gina Rinehart and a family dispute with no public interest value.

Judith Sloan

2 Dec 12 at 5:06 pm
“Look how mean the rich!”. There’s the public “interest”.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 5:13 pm
Splat and Leigh Lowe,

You two are legends.

Keep sticking it to that staggeringly stupid, senile, syphilitic ol’ fairy the spudpeeler!

Great stuff.

Rabz

2 Dec 12 at 5:21 pm
Ooops – with an honorable mention to MK50…

Rabz

2 Dec 12 at 5:22 pm
Jeepers.

What crazy shit people do. What a narcissistic prick.

NFL Player Dies in Apparent Murder-Suicide

Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend before driving to the team’s practice facility and killing himself in front of team officials.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 5:34 pm
Rabz: I am not really interested in ‘sticking it to’ Numbers. He’s just not important, being a bog-standard soft-left type, as shallow as they come. But he’s not a leninist, maoist stalinist, trot or hitlerite. Nor is he a white supremacist. He’s not, therefore, evil or anything much, just a vapid, soft sort of beige blancmange.

He is mildly useful as he does provide a good sort of ‘basic primer’ in standard leftard tacits, though. Pointing out the simplest of their tricks as used by Numbers was something I thought useful today to the Cat genpop.

Ill-educated soft-left types all have hugely overweening opinions of themselves, being of the view that they are orders of magnitude better than they really are. But again that’s just what poorly educated, reality denying narcissistic fabulists in general are like. Any twelve-year old state school ‘educated’ kid is just the same.Poor old Numbers does not even understand what a fallacy is, by what he has written here. That’s plain pitiable: again, primary school kid stuff.

Aside from getting annoyed at some of his more wildly egregious stupid statements (hence the ‘pissant’ comment above), I am relatively indifferent to him. he just does not matter.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 5:50 pm
Good interview in the WSJ with perhaps the only conservative professor left at Harvard.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578149292503121124.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_carousel_1

He’s optimistic. I wouldn’t bet his way though.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 5:53 pm
Mark, that site looks very interesting.

I’m thinking of an 1864 Snider

Eddystone

2 Dec 12 at 6:03 pm
Bunyip on an example of egregious, calculated journalistic dishonesty:

These Things Can Be Checked, Phillip.

Do take in the Brandis quote again too.

The idea that Gillard did not break any law is laughable.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 6:14 pm
Motto of the 22nd Airborne Potato Peelers …… “Who Pares Skins?”

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 6:17 pm
Can’t disagree. Trouble is I’ll also need a new cabinet at that stage.

There have been some good reviews of the Sniders from IMA. And that rifle is a lovely looking piece of kit. Again, just research the hell out of it. On the MH, there are some extraordinarily knowledgeable folks on the Martini-henry discussion boards.

Look here.

The 3 MH I want are the 577/450 Mk II and Mk IV, and the .303 conversion. I am a great fan of the .303 round….

Y’know, getting a CNC milling machine’s so cheap these days that actually making MH componments and actions would be a doddle. (I can day-dream)

I am getting bayonets with the Martinis. Again, the cost is low, will never be lower, and it improves the value of the rifle over time.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 6:19 pm
He’s just not important, being a bog-standard soft-left type, as shallow as they come. But he’s not a leninist, maoist stalinist, trot or hitlerite. Nor is he a white supremacist. He’s not, therefore, evil or anything much, just a vapid, soft sort of beige blancmange.

He’s just another waste of space who adds nothign of value and has prompted Mk.50 to waste his time rather a lot. Ditch the bum.

blogstrop

2 Dec 12 at 6:19 pm
Thanks Judith for that “nuanced” expose on the wankleys.

blogstrop

2 Dec 12 at 6:20 pm
“Journalists nominate themselves with selection of their works. Union members always seem to win – no suprises there”e

.

When I was a lad we used to call that “drinking your own bathwater “

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 6:22 pm
LOL at Bunyip excoriating Hartcher for accountability and journalistic rigour, then finding out it was actually Coorey.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 6:33 pm
They’re laughably interchangeable, Mont. Wouldn’t mind betting they do byline swap deals on their days off (“Could you punch out 800 words for me tomorrow and I’ll cover for you next Thursday?”).

tom

2 Dec 12 at 6:40 pm
A prime example of stupidity, re Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Activists’ drone shot out of the sky for fourth time

Bet they try for a fifth.

And how smart are these people:

Try to read this without laughing out loud… H/T Mike Hoy

What a wonderful coming together of two diverse groups! We need more gatherings where the idiot activists are given warm, moist, aromatic welcomes like this one. This is why PETA usually protests women wearing fur rather than bikers wearing leather. Sounds to me like the old saying, “you mess with the bull, and you get the horns”. Gee, I guess these characters thought that Bikers where going to be politically correct like the rest of the wimpy world.

Rudiau

2 Dec 12 at 7:09 pm
And how smart are these people…

Let Snopes be your friend.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 7:31 pm
Hartcher and Coorey are not interchangeable. One of them is a Rudd stooge, the other is a NSW Right stooge. Subtle difference, but it’s there.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 7:38 pm
What the hell is a dildo expert doing dating Flannery? Is she mad?

Kate Holden… I knew that name sounded familiar. Gab, JC, CL, and other interested parties, go browse the good Bunyip’s archives from May 2011 for more on Miss Dildo.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 7:41 pm
One for the Cat ladies.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 7:49 pm
Am still laughing at the PETA morons attacking the bikies. Best laugh I have had for ages.

Tiny Dancer

2 Dec 12 at 7:52 pm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/leatherprotest.asp

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 8:05 pm
Rudiau that biker meets greenie beta is hilarious!

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 8:06 pm
Rudiau that biker meets greenie beta is hilarious!

Yeah .. nah, dawg via Snopes just debunked it.

Rudiau

2 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
It was a hilarious and pretty well-written piece of satire, Rudi… I would have loved for it to have been for reals.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 8:17 pm
Damn!

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 8:17 pm
LOL at Bunyip excoriating Hartcher for accountability and journalistic rigour, then finding out it was actually Coorey.

What’s the difference between Mr. Pin Stripe and the bald idiot, Fat Boy?

JC

2 Dec 12 at 8:18 pm
Coorey is to Hartcher as Monty is to the Steves… an understandable mix-up there.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 8:22 pm
First dildos, now this…

Tim Flannery in the news – for exaggeration and Montyesque wrongness, of course.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 8:38 pm
LOL at Bunyip excoriating Hartcher for accountability and journalistic rigour, then finding out it was actually Coorey.

The non sequitur here rivals Gillard’s nose for overhanging, clanger-like size.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 8:40 pm
Even if a feral cat only kills one lorikeet a day, that is one too many, regardless of the scare mongering of the enviroweenies. See a feral cat, shoot it.

entropy

2 Dec 12 at 8:46 pm
I think I need to fix that:

See a ~~feral~~ cat, shoot it.

Although if there was also a maltese terrier around, you should spare the cat. priorities, priorities. There is a little bastard two doors away that will have it’s side gate somehow left open one night……..

entropy

2 Dec 12 at 8:48 pm
First dildos, now this…

Tim Flannery in the news – for exaggeration and Montyesque wrongness, of course.

It’s never boring picking on this substitute dildo. Never.

Honestly, the girlfriend is better off going back to the rubber porker.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 8:53 pm
Even if a feral cat only kills one lorikeet a day, that is one too many, regardless of the scare mongering of the enviroweenies. See a feral cat, shoot it.

Why Ent?

Cats are still part of the evolutionary process and if they win good for them. Why do you want to stop evolution?

JC

2 Dec 12 at 8:55 pm
I suspect Flannery’s cat holocaust source is counting insects to get that figure.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 8:55 pm
Snopes is full of shit.

“Here is something that may have happened and we don’t believe it, therefore everything like it is bullshit”

It is about as reliable factcheck.org

If you want a good debunking, read the Immigration Dept. replies to letters to the editor about refugees being put up in luxury apartments.

They have to be really fucking careful what they say.

.

2 Dec 12 at 8:57 pm
Snopes is full of shit.

Good becuase I prefer to believe in the bikies story and think that justice prevails occasionally.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:02 pm
Although if there was also a maltese terrier around

Ahh .. entropy Emma needs to talk to you again.

Rudiau

2 Dec 12 at 9:02 pm
The innumerate imbecile says:

Tim Flannery claims: “Feral cats eat 70 million native animals a day” in Australia.

That would be 25.6 billion original owners a year!

He once said that he chose the dinosaur poop side of science because it offered the least amount of numeracy skills admitting he was never good with numbers.

I can see why.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 9:02 pm
Are Graham crackers sweet or salty?

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:05 pm
Hmmm.

Crickets chirping.

Perhaps Numbers is busy: gardening. That’s it.

Gardening.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 9:06 pm
Half and half Gab

Tal

2 Dec 12 at 9:10 pm
Snopes is full of shit.

That may well be, but the fact that the site that PETA/Bikie piece was originally published on back in 2010 is called “The Spoof!” is also a subtle clue.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 9:12 pm
Hartcher and Coorey are not interchangeable. One of them is a Rudd stooge, the other is a NSW Right stooge. Subtle difference, but it’s there

and Monty, being a Sussex St shrill, should know.

Will

2 Dec 12 at 9:13 pm
What’s Flanno gonna say once CL’s elephant plan goes into effect?

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 9:16 pm
Perhaps Numbers is busy: gardening. That’s it.

Gardening.

Do him good too, gardening is one of the hardest codes to break.
—————————————-
Oh, and if anyone asks you how to make King Salmon ( not 6 hours caught by No 1 son) in beer batter, deep fried in fresh virgin olive oil, even better.
Tell em a little squeeze of lemon.

jumpnmcar

2 Dec 12 at 9:17 pm
Really, Tal? Okay thanks. I’m watching video recipes being delivered in Tagalog and Graham crackers seem very versatile. Also mentioned in Half and Half which looks like milk in carton, maybe a low fat milk.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:17 pm
MK50 – I notice you chat about guns and wanted to reask a question I posted a few days ago.

Paul Ryan took his daughter out on a hunt for deer. It was the first hunt she was legally able to shoot alone from her own blind (or hide it may have been referred to).

She is 10. It seemed awfully young to me. As a hunter do you think so? And what would be the rules here.

They both bagged a deer.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 9:17 pm
Credulous CL thinks he is smarter than Hawking, and knows better than Snopes. Truly, he is a Renaissance man.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 9:17 pm
Mark, did you like the way the old commo started lying about taking refos into his house? Not a single mention of it on his Communism Today blog anytime in the past six months. What is it about the left and lying?

tom

2 Dec 12 at 9:18 pm
he is a Renaissance man.

Interesting that you plagiarize the term I have often used about and directed toward you.

Get your own stuff Fat Boy and stop the stealing.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 9:19 pm
~~but the fact that the site that PETA/Bikie piece was originally published on back in 2010 is called “The Spoof!” is also a subtle clue.~~

No. The bikers tied the greenies to a tree with gaffer tape. QED.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:21 pm
Numbers is busy learning how to peel rice to satisfy the dietary requirements of his new guests at Club Numbers.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 9:21 pm
Well done the Aussie openers.

Prediction:

Aussies to win the greatest test victory ever with a double ton to Ponting.

jupes

2 Dec 12 at 9:21 pm
Crikey jupes I think the highest last innings is something like 250 runs.

But we can hope.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 9:22 pm
Also mentioned in Half and Half which looks like milk in carton, maybe a low fat milk.

Half & Half is half full cream; half milk.

And graham crackers are good dunked in hot cocoa or chocolate milk, and also make a good pie-base for cheesecake. As do Nilla Wafers.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 9:24 pm
Dot I meant, not CL. I do get those two mixed up.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 9:25 pm
She is 10. It seemed awfully young to me. As a hunter do you think so? And what would be the rules here.

If she is properly trained, no problems.

We stop children from exercising responsibility and judgement far to long, IMO.

I’m not sure what the legal age here would be.

Given the general festoons of pointless red tape surrounding the shooting sports in Australia, they probably have to be 18, but I don’t really know.

Eddystone

2 Dec 12 at 9:26 pm
No. The bikers tied the greenies to a tree with gaffer tape. QED.

They pinched that image off the interwebs, just as I did here.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 9:27 pm
Thanks, Spot. Nice to see you back here. I asked about the crackers because they look like Sao biscuits, sort of, like.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:28 pm
This smear on Gillard has to stop…. Because its Craig Thompson week! The word is he is to receive a knock on his door this week, maybe tomorrow. I guess Gillard managed to hold it over until after the last week.

Honesty

2 Dec 12 at 9:29 pm
That was an excellent video, Spot. Thanks for the reminder but the bikers tied the greenies to a tree with gaffer tape. QED.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:30 pm
No. The bikers tied the greenies to a tree with gaffer tape. QED.

Agreed. True story, Dawg is just a spoiler with his facts, I readed it ina blog.

Rudiau

2 Dec 12 at 9:32 pm
Rudiau, perhaps ‘Emma’ could be sent around and sort out the little mindlessly yapping bastard, then. Brain of a pea. Anytime. It never stops.*

Although knowing my luck Emma might decide to breed with the puny little bastard. You must understand, Rudiau, I grew up with working dogs, blue heelers, kelpies, border collies, a red cattle dog called milo (its marvellous what a difference milo makes). Our cats were bigger than Malties. And more trainable.

*Actually, a couple of Friday nights ago, the little mongrel did suddenly stop yapping. The silence went on for so long I could hear the lonely curlews on the golf course, the wind sighing through the gums along the creek, the croak of a green tree frog in the pot plant beside the pond out front.
I started hopefully speculating my bow hunting neighbour might have snapped. And used a brick. But, sadly, the little bugger started up again about 11.45 pm.

entropy

2 Dec 12 at 9:32 pm
“…but the bikers tied the greenies to a tree with gaffer tape. QED.”

No, you’re quite right. You win.

sdog

2 Dec 12 at 9:36 pm
Thanks Eddystone, I forgot who he chatted with about guns and checked back and saw your name, I should have included you in the general question.

Thanks for the response. Food for thought for this non hunting city dweller.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 9:37 pm
Tom

Mark, did you like the way the old commo started lying about taking refos into his house? Not a single mention of it on his Communism Today blog anytime in the past six months. What is it about the left and lying?

Lying is one of the few things they do well. They lie especially well to and about themselves.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 9:40 pm
I’ve come in late on this one.
Bikes vs Greenies.
WTF?
Is Tom “I know what punters want” Waterhouse framing a market on this?
I’d love to get set with the Comancheros, even at $1.01, no place dividend.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 9:41 pm
…CL thinks he is smarter than Hawking

Monty,

Do you want me to repeat that quote from Nobel prize winner, Linus Pauling?

ella

2 Dec 12 at 9:42 pm
I couldn’t give a bugger what you do or say, ella.

m0nty

2 Dec 12 at 9:45 pm
Aussies have got the deficit under 600.
Does Sinkers still support the homeland in cricket?

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
Cathedral window.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
Dave F

MK50 – I notice you chat about guns and wanted to reask a question I posted a few days ago.

Paul Ryan took his daughter out on a hunt for deer. It was the first hunt she was legally able to shoot alone from her own blind (or hide it may have been referred to).

She is 10. It seemed awfully young to me. As a hunter do you think so? And what would be the rules here.

They both bagged a deer.

Dave it depends so much on the child. I’d be more leery of a 10yo boy than a girl (boys tend more towards the attention span of a gnat).

With any child, the major problem is that they cannot be as conscious of safety as they should be. Therefore they require meticulous safety supervision, when shooting.

The flip side is the utter delight they find in the sport and (with boys) the company of men who are taking the time and care to introduce them to ‘a manly sport’ which demands skill, application and carem but which wins the approval of the ‘senior men of the family’ in my family’s case. In todays wowser-haunted cotton-wool world, that’s a big deal.

it is quite something to see a 14yo lad soberly note, for example, that he observes a problem with a very experienced 60 year old’s rifle; for the observation to be taken seriously, as it is a serious matter, and for the problem to be confirmed and dealt with. There are diminishing areas in which to do this in modern, wowserised and wussified society.

In this case I assume the girl was well supervised, and she certainly had a successful hunt. Well done to all concerned.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 9:50 pm
Hey CL… you’ll love this. Make sure you’re sitting down though, before you go on.

Sandra Fluke is on Time’s short list to be “Person of the Year.

Lol

JC

2 Dec 12 at 9:51 pm
Does Sinkers still support the homeland in cricket?

Sinkers isn’t a cricket fan.

I do enjoy a close contest but have no interest in the actual winner.

Number two son is a fan and has been very upset at the outcomes although yesterday he was wearing a South African cricket shirt that his nana bought him. He claimed that it was the only cricket shirt he has and that he wasn’t a traitor just that I’m too cheap to buy him an Australian cricket shirt.

Sinclair Davidson

2 Dec 12 at 9:53 pm
Ages – in ACT and QLD minimum age is 12. State laws, but there’s a big national harmonisation push, so it may well be 12 everywhere now.

One of the marvellous things I have seen in the last decade is the rapid growth of the sport (THANKS, gun-grabbing pantywaists and John Howard!!*). The ranges are getting crowded on the weekends, and the kids training groups are chokka.

* Because they added ‘membership of a gun club’ to the list of reasons for legally owning a firearm. Never thinking that this could possibly spark a massive revival of teh sport.

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 9:55 pm
Thanks for the response on the hunting thing Mk. I certainly agree with the boy to man thing, that’s common with activities like that, I’m thinking fishing actually but its a similar deal.

I was curious because 10 seemed awfully young to be legal to have her own place to shoot from. There seemed to be no question an adult had to, in some way perhaps indirectly, supervise.

She had apparently been along with her Dad in the past. No mention whether she shot or just accompanied.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 10:03 pm
Are you planning to buy a Filipino husband, Gab? LOL.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 10:05 pm
Sinc,

I’m originally from New Zealand. Through family circumstances I went to University in South Africa and met and married a South African. My kids are naturalised Australians. They are totally confused when it cones to who to support.

ella

2 Dec 12 at 10:06 pm
Rudiau, perhaps ‘Emma’ could be sent around and sort out the little mindlessly yapping bastard, then. Brain of a pea. Anytime. It never stops.

I read your post and said to wifey I bet it’s a yapper.

I sympathise with your non-stop yapper, there are one or two in this neighbourhood, Emma gives a low throated growl rolls over and goes back to sleep.
Problem is people leave them home alone.

Rudiau

2 Dec 12 at 10:08 pm
They are totally confused when it cones to who to support.

They should support Essendon, of course. After that whoever is winning.

Whenever Australia play South Africa in any sport I also get it from both sides.

Sinclair Davidson

2 Dec 12 at 10:09 pm
JC

Re the TIME candidates for ‘Person of the Year’.

The list also includes Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot by the Taliban for her courage in agitating for an education in the face of their death threats.

She now lives under a Taliban fatwa recovering in the UK, and will probably join the likes of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and many others in needing constant police protection.

That act of courage on her part in the face of the threats she faced seems to me to encapsulate a glimmer of hope in a wave of evil sweeping many parts of the world.

A vote for Malala can be made here.

Myrddin Seren

2 Dec 12 at 10:09 pm
After that whoever is winning.

Trust in the Swans for your 2nd team.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 10:11 pm
Ah, yes, Sandra Fluke. Currently hawking her sooper stragetizing skillz in an online auction. For women only, it appears.

Got a fantastic idea for a campaign but not sure where to start? Wondering how you can use the tools of activism to make your project the most effective it can be? Social justice advocate Sandra Fluke will help you harness the power of activism and/or advocacy with this strategy session. You bring the expertise on your issue, and Sandra will bring her sharp strategic mind and national experience.

From the beginning, Sandra Fluke has devoted her career to public interest advocacy. She came to national attention in February, 2012, when Congressional Republicans prohibited her from testifying, instead hearing from a panel of men on a question of women’s health. She then testified before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee on the need for women’s own private insurance to cover contraception. Despite personal attacks, she has since spoken about this and other issues of concern to women and young people across news outlets, and has addressed the Democratic National Convention. Currently, she serves as a surrogate for the President in his reelection campaign, and speaks to audiences across the country. Her work has been honored by the American Federation of Teachers, American Constitution Society, Center for Reproductive Rights, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, National Partnership for Women and Families, NOW, Women’s Campaign Fund, and others.

Fluke recently graduated cum laude from Georgetown University Law Center as a Public Interest Law Scholar with a Certificate in Refugee and Humanitarian Emergencies. She was awarded the 2012 National Association of Women Lawyers Award, and was recognized for her extensive pro bono representation of victims of domestic violence and human trafficking, and human rights advocacy in Kenya. In 2010, the Women Lawyers Association of Los Angeles awarded Fluke the Fran Kandel Public Interest Grant to produce an informative film on accessing restraining orders. At Georgetown, Fluke served on the boards of the gender journal and student advocacy groups focused on gay rights, women’s rights, reproductive justice, and human trafficking, a group she co-founded.

Prior to attending Georgetown, Fluke created and led the Program Evaluation Initiative for Sanctuary for Families. She also served on numerous state and city advocacy coalitions, including the Manhattan Borough President’s Taskforce on Domestic Violence, and co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which, after a 20 year stalemate, successfully lobbied for legislation allowing LGBTQ, teen, and other victims of intimate partner violence to access civil orders of protection.

In 2003, Fluke received a B.S. from Cornell University in Policy Analysis and Management, as well as Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. She currently lives in Los Angeles, California, with her fiancé, Adam, and their dog, Mr. President.

nilk

2 Dec 12 at 10:12 pm
I may have found him, Tom.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 10:13 pm
Mk50 – view this lot and weep.

boy on a bike

2 Dec 12 at 10:14 pm
MS

The courage the Paki girl showed pales in comparison to that of Fluke coming out in public and demanding free condoms because of her concupiscence.

Fluke is by the the bravest woman we’ve seen in 12 and she deserves the title.

JC

2 Dec 12 at 10:15 pm
Will the Dons let Sir James coach next year, Sinc? Or will they stick with Bomber?

tom

2 Dec 12 at 10:17 pm
I thought by now Fluke would have scored the face of Ansell gig.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 10:19 pm
Don’t know – but St. James and Bomber could probably do whatever they like for a long time.

Sinclair Davidson

2 Dec 12 at 10:19 pm
I thought all cricket shirts are white apart from the pyjama game.

Go the Mighty Demons!

Rafe

2 Dec 12 at 10:26 pm
So you’re anyone’s, Gab, as long as the recipe includes a can of condensed milk? Used to be a delicacy at boarding school cadet bivouacs in the bush.

tom

2 Dec 12 at 10:35 pm
I thought by now Fluke would have scored the face of Ansell gig.

Brilliant and brutal.

DaveF

2 Dec 12 at 10:37 pm
M0nty!

Look! a unicorn!…..

Forester

2 Dec 12 at 10:43 pm
BoaB

Love the L1A1. I trained on that critter and still prefer it to the F88.

7.62mm of HV goodness beats 5.56mm all hollow.

maybe one day I can own one…

Mk50 of Brisbane

2 Dec 12 at 10:43 pm
Credulous CL thinks he is smarter than Hawking, and knows better than Snopes.

Dot I meant, not CL.

Another wrongology moment brought to you by Monty.

C.L.

2 Dec 12 at 10:45 pm
Fascinating reading on the economics of the singularity.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/robotics-software/economics-of-the-singularity/0

Yep human wages would fall relative to that of intelligent machines, but would it matter if global GDP was doubling every week?

JC

2 Dec 12 at 10:49 pm
Explained:
How Gillard managed to deflect AWU accusations

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 10:57 pm
Only if he can cook, Tom.

Gab

2 Dec 12 at 11:06 pm
British American Tobacco sponsors religious order in return for discreet changes to the Lord’s prayer:

Our Father who art in heaven, give us our daily Dunhill.

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm
Will the Dons let Sir James coach next year, Sinc? Or will they stick with Bomber?

Easy Tiger.
It’s a TEAM at Windy Hill.
Besides, I hear that if the three-strikes drug cover up is blown, some of competitors may have issues due to their lists being heavily laced with users ….. and, in at least two cases, dealers.
If hey thought the Kurt Tippett thing was a scandal they ain’t seen nuffink

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 11:18 pm
In keeping with the Christmas Spirit Tony sends Barbara Ramjan this Christmas card.

No hard feelings Babs

Splatacrobat

2 Dec 12 at 11:23 pm
Prediction:

Aussies to win the greatest test victory ever with a double ton to Ponting.

Bartender!
I’ll have two of whatever that chap is smoking ….. er ….. drinking.

Leigh Lowe

2 Dec 12 at 11:23 pm
I actually trawled through the painul list of nominees for Tie person of the yer. Doe this magazine actually sell any copies?

on the bright side, Kim Jong Un is currently favourite amongst online voters at 94%.

entropy

3 Dec 12 at 12:01 am
Water bills up $310 next year to pay for desalination plant, but French builder says it’s too big.

THE French boss of the troubled Wonthaggi desalination plant has admitted for the first time that the plant is too big for Melbourne’s water needs.

Suez Environment chief executive Jean-Louis Chaussade told the Herald Sun the size of the plant was based on unrealistic rainfall expectations.

“The design was done to provide water to the full city of Melbourne in case of no rain during one year – which was not realistic … The details why it was 150GL per year, I don’t know,” he said.

Thanks Labor. Thanks for listening to that complete idiot Flannery.

Gab

3 Dec 12 at 12:06 am
The current volume of all dams in Victoria is 1500 GL.

So the plant can provide 10 % of the current volume in one year. Of course volume is distinct from usage; with good rain now our current usage is less than the outgoing hence increasing dam levels.

Harold

3 Dec 12 at 12:44 am
The Lancet phoned.

They’re wondering if Tim Flannery could review their Iraq death toll figures.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 12:51 am
Kae

One of the other posters said it would be easy on Weight Watchers, as you just buy their food and eat it. He wa confusing WW with other bands such a Jenny Craig’s or Lite n Easy, where the entire food consumed (or nearly all) is purchased directly. Very few foods are purchased directly from WW, and these are mostly snacks. WW has branded food items but they are purchased from the supermarket, and all are optional. WW also recommends other brands.

It is not a diet. It is a lifestyle. They promote a low GI diet with exercise, and they focus on healthy eating and long term goals, not just on short term weight loss. I have been with them for ten years now and the change of focus is very noticeable. BTW for most of that ten years I have been a life member and do not have to pay, plus I don’t count points. I follow their guidelines for healthy eating and exercise. I don’t ‘diet’ very day of my life .

Dianeh

3 Dec 12 at 2:34 am
Damn iPad. Sorry for the poor typing.

Dianeh

3 Dec 12 at 2:36 am
While I’m at it sorry for posting about Weight Watchers at all. I think I will make a cuppa and browse the Cat’s other threads, and hopefully get back to sleep before it is time to get ready for work.

Dianeh

3 Dec 12 at 2:40 am
Potemkin’s Village

I believe that banking institutions are… here

Grigory Potemkin

3 Dec 12 at 5:11 am
Sinc,

I’m originally from New Zealand. Through family circumstances I went to University in South Africa and met and married a South African. My kids are naturalised Australians. They are totally confused when it cones to who to support.

Australia. Duh.

Abu Chowdah

3 Dec 12 at 8:13 am
One of the other posters said it would be easy on Weight Watchers, as you just buy their food and eat it. He wa confusing WW with other bands such a Jenny Craig’s or Lite n Easy, where the entire food consumed (or nearly all) is purchased directly. Very few foods are purchased directly from WW, and these are mostly snacks. WW has branded food items but they are purchased from the supermarket, and all are optional. WW also recommends other brands.

Yes, I knew that. I did weight watchers in the 90s.

It teaches you how to eat, to watch what you eat. Anything you eat is your diet. It is a diet. The difference between WW and some others where food is provided is that WW teaches portions, etc.

I wonder how much money WW rakes in because they do charge a lot.

I also did Gloria Marshall in the 80s and that plan did teach portion control etc. however, poor Glor went down the gurgler.

More recently I opted for a low carb diet and that worked much better than the other two.

kae

3 Dec 12 at 8:22 am
Dianeh
I hope the cuppa worked – I have to drink decaf as I’ve become supersensitive to caffeine and can’t drink it in the afternoon.
And congrats with the goal at WW – I didn’t particularly like the style/approach of the lecturer at the local sessions, and it just got too expensive for me to afford to pay to be weighed.

kae

3 Dec 12 at 8:28 am
Hartcher and Coorey are not interchangeable. One of them is a Rudd stooge, the other is a NSW Right stooge. Subtle difference, but it’s there.

Wow, nice to know someone is more worried about which part of the ALP the stenographers source their press releases than the content of the articles.

If FauxFacts is to survive it needs to employ journalists not intellectual pygmies who survive by regurgitate pap direct from the ALP…

Token

3 Dec 12 at 8:43 am
Paul Sheehan has created an effective summary of the ways the Rudd/Gillard government reduced productivity and increase costs for businesses:

The interests of small business are going backwards and the rate of labour force participation is contracting. It is easy to see why:

Industrial relations: the Fair Work Act is an unfolding disaster for small business, the main job-creating sector in the economy.

Energy: the carbon tax is contributing to higher energy costs for all businesses. It is also an abrogation of a core election undertaking.

Health and safety: the greatest union scam of all, using occupational health and safety laws to impose union power, is enshrined in the federal government’s move to harmonise OH&S laws under a single federal law.

Intimidation: the Gillard government’s dismantling of the building industry watchdog has led to a predictable rise in union lawlessness in the industry.

Outsourcing: the government declared war on outsourcing when it passed legislation in September that mandates public sector conditions on private sector firms which take work outsourced by state governments.

Red tape: the government has just imposed the Equal Opportunity for Women in the Workplace Amendment Bill 2012, which imposes an entire new layer of red tape on businesses with more than 100 employees.

Tax law: the announced tax cuts for small businesses apply ONLY to incorporated businesses. Given that most of the 2.5 million small businesses are unincorporated, about three-quarters miss out.

Discrimination: the government is significantly expanding the range of issues over which people can sue for discrimination.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 8:51 am
The zombie lobby is worried that its success in making Australia totally unusable for business is threatened by talk of green tape rollbacks:

ENVIRONMENT groups have formed a “council of war” to combat business and state government demands to cut “green tape” they fear will weaken protection and lead to a US-style wave of litigation.

A standoff has developed between federal Environment Minister Tony Burke and state governments over who should have the final say on whether a project meets commonwealth obligations.

A series of decisions involving Woodside’s James Price Point gas hub in Western Australia and Rio Tinto’s South of Embley bauxite mine in Cape York has brought the issue to a head.

The Business Council of Australia has driven the “green tape” reform agenda, claiming over-regulation is jeopardising $900 billion worth of projects. The council is due to meet on Thursday, before Friday’s Council of Australian Governments meeting at which the “green tape” agenda is expected to be set for early next year.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 8:55 am
Phil Coorey
Phil Coorey

Today’s program is bought to by the letters A,L,and P and the number 46% TPP.

Splatacrobat

3 Dec 12 at 8:56 am
Thanks Labor. Thanks for listening to that complete idiot Flannery.

Well, Gab, it was never going to rain again and if it did, the rain that fell wouldn’t fill the dams, especially the ones that weren’t being built.

There are certain morons in Victoria who really need to be held to account for this debacle, just as there are in NSW and Queensland.

How many taxpayers’ billions have been squandered on this greenfilth idiocy?

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 8:57 am
Thanks Labor. Thanks for listening to that complete idiot Flannery.

Why hasn’t Red Ted undertaken an investigation occured into the tendering process?

It is clear the process was more about getting “gold plated” jobs for the CFMEU then addressing the actual water needs of Melbourne.

A similar review needs to be done on the famous tender process of the NBN which is consistently over budget and unable to provide the promised services.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 9:02 am
Splat,

While we’re celebrating journalistic genius…

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 9:04 am
Mk50 – I also trained on the SLR. Loved it to bits. Nothing like a boomstick that makes a big boom. Also trained on the F1 submachine gun. I notice no one ever wants to collect them – with good reason.

boy on a bike

3 Dec 12 at 9:14 am
The current volume of all dams in Victoria is 1500 GL.

Actually, no. That’s the dams in Melbourne’s water supply system. There is considerably more storage capacity across the state.

The desal is still ridiculous, of course.

mct

3 Dec 12 at 9:31 am
Mk50, tried to appropriate the name “Gupta the Nepalese Armourer” but computer says No. A pity, that sort of name should not be forgotten.

Pickles

3 Dec 12 at 9:43 am
monty

Don’t ever bring up other people’s intelligence or conceit again. You couldn’t even tell myself or Currency Lad apart. You are really quite, quite stupid.

.

3 Dec 12 at 9:51 am
Love the L1A1.

maybe one day I can own one…

A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?
They’re designed to kill people quickly.
Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.
Which are you then, Mk50?
A wanker or a murderer?

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 10:09 am
What a load of crap numbers. You have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”.

Do you have any friends IRL?

.

3 Dec 12 at 10:22 am
THR was actively evil, DD. He promoted and supported an ideology known, and historically verifiable as, evil.

Mk50, why do you insist on characterising your opponents as evil or barbarians? It’s a pattern with you, you seem to have to classify others as subhuman or implacably monstrous, rather than merely debating issues. Are you on a mission from God?

m0nty

3 Dec 12 at 10:39 am
You have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”

.
Bullshit. I’ve called anyone who wants to own an L1A1 (an assault weapon) a wanker or a murderer. Show me where I said anything about martial arts or shooters.
Typical Libertarian loony – the old Bolt technique – make something up and ascribe it to your opponent…

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 10:42 am
Mk50, why do you insist on characterising your opponents as evil or barbarians?

During the height of the Baida dispute THR was advocating the idea workers who kill the shift managers should be given a pass from normal judicial rules.

I called him on it and got him to back down, yet a few days later he was reposting it.

He deserves the label.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 10:52 am
You know what you wrote, numbers. If you have to rephrase what you said to look like less of an arsehole, you’re still an arsehole. You don’t even try to hide the “still beating your wife” kind of insult, wrongly associate me with Bolt and dishonestly smear what I said as Alinskyite propaganda.

You’re a turd. A narcissistic turd.

You once wrote that a small town ought to have the school as its focal point. Of course, you would never have anything to gain from this. What is your job again? How would you have the time to do this when you’re not representing disabled kids pro bono against the QCs of elite private schools?

You then smear anyone who believes that people should be free as loony, after your attempt to popularise your idea of running outback QLD hamlets along the lines of the Viet Minh.

I dunno, what is less crazy:

1. The Government ought to streamline regulation and taxes, and leave us alone in our personal lives;

or

2. I am a Vietnam vet and a school principal and I ought to be the centre of attention, even for people without kids…

.

3 Dec 12 at 10:52 am
During the height of the Baida dispute THR was advocating the idea workers who kill the shift managers should be given a pass from normal judicial rules.

This guy works at the tax office.

This is the entrenched mentality we have to deal with.

Nothing short of mass sackings will fix this.

.

3 Dec 12 at 10:54 am
A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?
They’re designed to kill people quickly.
Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.
Which are you then, Mk50?
A wanker or a murderer?

Numbers I really have to wonder about you, your state of mind and your motivations.

Would you use such insults for anyone who collects or likes millitaria or is it just an excuse to label MK50 as a wanker and murderer for calling you out on the rubbish you post here?

You continually ridicule and denigrate the Cat and the people who frequent it, yet keep coming here to a place you openly despise.

Why?

Old Fridgie

3 Dec 12 at 11:28 am
You may have heard about the weekend mass brawl in Logan where a young man was deliberately run down by a car.

Yes, it was good old ‘multiculturalism‘ at work again.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 11:30 am
You know what you wrote, numbers.

Yeah, and because you’re thick, I’ll write it again – no rephrasing… - A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?
They’re designed to kill people quickly.
Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.
Which are you then, Mk50?
A wanker or a murderer?
Now, you claimed I have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”
I did not.
Therefore you are either thick or delusional, or perhaps both.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 11:32 am
Yes, crimes.

Chapter and verse from Julie Bishop on the CRIMES of Slushgate.

Michael Costa is right. It’s time for Julia Gillard to assist police with their enquiries.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 11:34 am
Multiculturalism – breaking news:

Five people are in hospital, with one under police guard, after a brawl involving 30 young men and women erupted during a soccer game in western Sydney.

Police say they were called to break up the fight that began during the game between Sudanese teams at Peter Van Hasselt Park at Willmot on Sunday at about 4:30pm (AEDT).

Police media spokesman Senior Constable Tim Axston says the crime scene stretched for two kilometres.

“Police seized numerous weapons, including a chisel, soccer corner post, spanner and knife,” he said.

“Numerous other items of clothing were seized for forensic examination.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 11:40 am
You may have heard about the weekend mass brawl in Logan where a young man was deliberately run down by a car.

Yes, it was good old ‘multiculturalism‘ at work again.

However, Detective Inspector Christopher Jory told reporters on Sunday there was nothing to suggest the incident was either gang or racially motivated.
“They are from different cultural groups and different ethnicities, however they’re Australians,” he said.
“We live in a multicultural society and Logan is a reflection of that as well.”

You are being ridiculous as usual, CL. Your stupid comment is the equivalent of saying that Sarah Cafferkey was killed due to the White Australia Policy.

m0nty

3 Dec 12 at 11:44 am
Having a blog that no-one reads (like another recently exterminated pest), the old commo troll has decided to attach himself to the Cat. Every post is designed as some deranged North Korean circus act to get an equal and opposite reaction. Eventually the civilised world will get sick of the sabre-rattling on the other side of the DMZ.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 11:47 am
How many taxpayers’ billions have been squandered on this greenfilth idiocy?

Rabz … my understanding that your Desal Plants are about $6 bil a copy, no discount for quantity.
So that makes the tally of the tape on the East Coast $18 bil.
Plus I think the cost of the Victorian one blew-out beyond the list price because of the extra costs of paying bikies to deal drugs on site and about 100 ETU members sitting in the sheds with their thumbs up their bums every day.

Leigh Lowe

3 Dec 12 at 11:49 am
“Your stupid comment is the equivalent of saying that Sarah Cafferkey was killed due to the White Australia Policy.’

No, that’s not right Munty.
Sarah Cafferky was killed because of wet-lettuce sentencing by ALP appointed judges.

Leigh Lowe

3 Dec 12 at 11:51 am
@M0nty
“are you on a mission from God”

Somehow doubt that. He’s obviously a dyslexic athiest (“defeiciecies”) on a mission from Dog…..

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 11:53 am
Bolt and Bishop have been very, very close on the AWU issue. Bolt led Bishop through that interview the Sunday before last like a prosecution lawyer leading a prosecution witness through a pre-arranged set of questions and answers. It was spooky to watch, a kabuki play in action.

This latest slab of text by Bolt doesn’t seem to be quoted anywhere else, according to Google. Effectively, it seems, it’s a press release that Bishop has sent exclusively to Bolt. Bolt publishes it verbatim with a minimum of commentary.

Bolt and Michael Smith are moving swiftly to becoming overt public relations practitioners for the Coalition. Not even Fox News would be this brazen.

Worries that the Australian right was importing the American right’s tactics in subsuming the media to become wholly partisan are somewhat misplaced. They are not catching up to America, they have gone past and are breaking new ground, innovating with new and more integrated links between media and party.

m0nty

3 Dec 12 at 12:03 pm
Bolt and Michael Smith are moving swiftly to becoming overt public relations practitioners for the Coalition.

monty squeals because conservatives are doing that which the ABC and Fairfax have been doing for years.

Gab

3 Dec 12 at 12:05 pm
Keep fucking that chicken, numbers.

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:07 pm
Fat boy

Burp, yawn.

They work for private institutions and can do and should do whatever they fucking like.

Go eat a couple of dunkins you oversized goose.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 12:09 pm
Wow. mOron. Cutting like a hot knife through butter to come to the stunning conclusion that two conservative chaps support, wait for it, the conservatives.

Unbelievable. Who would have thought?

Tiny Dancer

3 Dec 12 at 12:10 pm
Bolt led Bishop through that interview the Sunday before last like a prosecution lawyer leading a prosecution witness through a pre-arranged set of questions and answers. It was spooky to watch, a kabuki play in action.

If that’s spooky, Combet’s fake press conference was shades of Dracula. Does he have a reflection?

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:12 pm
ABC breathlessly reports the Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery gives us 5 years to act.

5 years. The critical decade.

Our Climate Commissioner.

And he is having a fling with the Dildo Whisperer.

DaveF

3 Dec 12 at 12:13 pm
He squeals like an overfed pig, gab.

I haven’t watched the bolt show. I’m getting the impression that his biggest audience are outraged leftwing idiots like fat boy.

Bolt seems to be beating that leftwing troll ol’leatherface in the ratings .

Good news.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
Five years.

…and the dams will evaporate forever.

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:15 pm
Worries that the Australian right was importing the American right’s tactics in subsuming the media to become wholly partisan are somewhat misplaced. They are not catching up to America, they have gone past and are breaking new ground, innovating with new and more integrated links between media and party.

What about the state?

Remember when Red Kerry referred so impartially to the ALP as “us”?

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:17 pm
Dot that was a quote.

“5 years. The critical decade” to be used in full, please.

DaveF

3 Dec 12 at 12:18 pm
Perhaps the dildo whisperer told him we ony have 5 years, DaveF.

I’m still shocked she made the switch from a rubber porker to him. Man, what a bad trade.

Hey fat boy, there’s hope for you yet. If flannery can score a former hooker and dildo expert, you can too.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 12:19 pm
Now, you claimed I have called anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter a “wanker or a murderer”

Yep you did. Now you have softened your language now you loopy ideas are being bashed, to try to make them more acceptable and insidious.

How is being the centre of life of a small town working out for you? Have the proles swallowed this Viet Minh claptrap yet?

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:22 pm
Rosa Parks anniversary celebrated by the US President.

With a photo of himself. In the same seat.

Is that grey or is he balding in an odd way?

DaveF

3 Dec 12 at 12:22 pm
The conservative version of political reality is more popular than the leftwing version. And people turn off when Gillard talks.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 12:26 pm
M0nty, fixed for you…

Worries that the Australian ~~right~~ radical ultra left was importing the American ~~right~~ left’s tactics in subsuming the media…

This will cover thousands of articles published this year by the ABC & FauxFacts which were merely regurgitation of the instructions from the Federal ALP & the Greens.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 12:28 pm
monty squeals because conservatives are doing that which the ABC and Fairfax have been doing for years.

Gillard openly boasts that Mcturnen et-al have gone over to the US to be explicitly taught by Obamas campaign team on how to use their ugly divisive tactics here.

So M0nty rants and raves on about some bizarre conspiracy theory about “the right”.

To Paraphrase Ann Coulter: “Whatever the left are accusing you of – they are in the process of doing.”

twostix

3 Dec 12 at 12:32 pm
@noname
“yep you did”. No I didn’t.
Repeating a lie often doesn’t make it the truth. Find where I characterised anyone who is a martial artist or a shooter as a “wanker or a murderer”, or crawl back in your hole.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 12:34 pm
@tom – did you read Bolts posting of the transcript from the Gillard interview.

I’ll save you the bother. Just repeat ‘sleaze and smear’, ‘AbbottAbbottAbbott’ and ‘negativity’ to yourself for 5 minutes, and you’ve impersonated the PM.

Absolutely hopeless, and completely ripe for send-up. But nobody will, either because of the culture of fear in the media, or because all comedians are hopelessly beholden to saving the Labor party, no matter how bad the stench.

What, really is the point of listening to a press conference or interview with the PM? She never says anything new anyway. Her entire political strategy appears to be avoiding the public at all costs.

I’d love to see what sort of an election campaign she intends on running. She has only been to one shopping centre since the ‘why did you lie to us, and why do you continue to lie’ moment – and that was a stage-managed ACT appearance at supermarket closing time.

Abbott still freely circulates in public, talking with workers, people on the street. He openly and actively campaigned for Newman in the QLD state election.

Gillard can’t show her face in the street for fear of copping abuse from voters. Her poll ratings are the best when she is out of the country.

Someone tell me again how you’re supposed to run (and win) an election campaign on this basis? Remember the polling – only 20% believe what she says on the AWU matter. 4 out of 5 people think she is either lying or telling partial truths. You just cannot win an election with an trust problem like that.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 12:39 pm
Dot

Please tell me spuds didn’t bring up he was in Vietnam.

I was too spuds. I’ve been there.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 12:39 pm
Yes you did, and you altered your behaviour after you were chastised.

You simply dislike people with different interests to you.

You are embarrassed by many of your beliefs. Rightly so.

.

3 Dec 12 at 12:39 pm
Numerical one, aren’t you a state-school principal? Then what are you doing on The Cat? Get back to work – those kiddies aren’t going to be inculcated in voting ALP for life by themselves, you know.

James in Melbourne

3 Dec 12 at 12:39 pm
@James
I retired from the principalship in 2005. Now I work when I please. Unlike the bulk of posters on this site who must be unemployed or wasting their employer’s time given the obvious posting patterns.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 12:50 pm
Yes, brc, I read it. People showed excellent judgement in turning off rather than listening to what they knew she would say. She has become a pre-programmed McTernan talking-points robot. She is treating people like idiots, possibly because she shows signs of being clinically diagnosable as one herself. Yesterday’s Galaxy poll is an indication of how well that strategy is going.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 12:51 pm
@noname
Still waiting for you to find those ficticious Comments.
What I dislike are liars and hypocrites. They’re thick on the ground on this site.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 12:53 pm
Agent orange is only upset that people may want to own an SLR because it reminds him of the flashback he had when his Platoon Commander suggested he use his dick as a pull through because it was the same calibre as the rifle, 7.62mm.

Splatacrobat

3 Dec 12 at 12:54 pm
The SLR is still in use up north for shooting wild buffalo/horses/pigs etc from choppers. Mate of mine went for a ride in a chopper with a crew that was culling. Said he couldn’t believe how good the shooters were at hitting a wild herd on the move from a moving platform.

There’s a lot of feral stuff up there – it would take forever to knock down a herd using a bolt action with say a 5 round mag.

Some might say that wanting to shoot bunnies with an SLR is overkill. But if you can afford the ammo – why not?

boy on a bike

3 Dec 12 at 12:54 pm
The idiots at the ABC don’t realise that the further they lurch left, the more Bolts they will create. When the average person can detect a stultifying worship of one side of politics, especially when it is looking extremely rank (as it is at the moment), then they will search out an alternative point of view. Those that are there to provide that alternative will benefit.

Leather face systematically muzzles or boots the conservative commentators from his show, and so they leave and do their own thing. Everyone at the ABC is happy because Bolt isn’t pointing out inconvenient facts and holes in the narrative.

But then he starts his own show and people start watching it. It develops it’s own momentum. It overtakes leatherfaces own show.

The irony in all of this is that the Bolt report routinely invites government ministers, trade unionists and other lefties onto his talk panel. And the hard-left refuses, but the moderates accept. And thus the moderates get to reach more people than the circle-jerk of current-day insiders, thus further marginalising their audience into more and more of a back-slapping session, which further alienates the middle ground.

Bolt has gradually moved closer to the centre in his opinions since he started, so it’s not surprising to find his audiences gradually increasing. I don’t watch it much these days, and I disagree with him on a lot of issues, but there is no denying his impact these days, which is far, far greater than it was 5 years ago.

And that profile has been raised almost exclusively by leftist idiots trying to demonise him, believing their own codswallop.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 12:57 pm
of posters on this site who must be unemployed or wasting their employer’s time given the obvious posting patterns.

Or self employed, perhaps?

You, know, those evil bourgeois types who make a living on their own terms?

brc

3 Dec 12 at 12:59 pm
Wasn’t it a bit weird how Newscorp commissioned a Galaxy poll instead of using Newspoll. Maybe it’s an end-of-year thing, maybe they are losing faith in their own polling ability.

Struck me as odd, that’s all.

Anyway, the fact is Swan is on track to lose his seat, which is my Christmas wish for this year, even though it won’t happen until 2013.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 1:04 pm
Now I work when I please.

This normally coincides with filling out his dole diary or completing a grant application for the latest cause de jour.

Splatacrobat

3 Dec 12 at 1:05 pm
People should read Gillard’s interview on 10′s Meet The Press yesterday: it’s a comedy script delivered by a cartoon character.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 1:06 pm
Remember when Red Kerry referred so impartially to the ALP as “us”?

Yes, all too well – election night 2007:

“Why, it’s another victory for the ABC, I mean the ALP, I mean the ALPBC!!!”

What an ugly ol’ partisan goose.

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 1:07 pm
Anyway, the fact is Swan is on track to lose his seat,

I’d heard whispers about his seat being at risk. Now this is confirmation.

Great news.

DaveF

3 Dec 12 at 1:07 pm
However, Detective Inspector Christopher Jory told reporters on Sunday there was nothing to suggest the incident was either gang or racially motivated.

“They are from different cultural groups and different ethnicities, however they’re Australians,” he said.

LOL. That’s why they’re described as two “Sudanese teams,” huh?

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 1:08 pm
Unlike the bulk of posters on this site who must be unemployed or wasting their employer’s time given the obvious posting patterns.

You really are a 1950′s era dinosaur like most of the reactionary left.

Most of the people who post here are paid based upon results, not hours worked. When you have some time management skills and continually deliver high productivity gains your time is your own.

How old were you when you qualified for a pension? Due you have an annuity or a fixed sum Numbers?

Token

3 Dec 12 at 1:08 pm
Wasn’t it a bit weird how Newscorp commissioned a Galaxy poll instead of using Newspoll. Maybe it’s an end-of-year thing, maybe they are losing faith in their own polling ability.

Interesting point.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 1:09 pm
Anyway, the fact is Swan is on track to lose his seat, which is my Christmas wish for this year, even though it won’t happen until 2013.

The ALP are on track to lose every seat in Queensland, including bloody rudd’s.

Can’t happen soon enough, although I’m predicting Woine Goose announces his retirement before the election, so he can concentrate fully on appreciating his Goose Springsteen collection.

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 1:11 pm
Leather face systematically muzzles or boots the conservative commentators from his show, and so they leave and do their own thing.

He is going out of his way to drive down the ratings. That was a good program once.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 1:12 pm
Talking about 1950s era dinosaurs, I got chatting to an old salt of a guy working the counter in a hardware store on the weekend. Turns out he knew my family, so I gave him a brief rundown of how I make a crust. He didn’t really know what to say, so he said ‘you must have an interesting workplace agreement’.

I didn’t really know what to say after that. How do you even communicate about work with someone who cannot fathom doing a job without a union and an employer negotiating your life with no input from you?

brc

3 Dec 12 at 1:12 pm
Lefties honour TV personality and Obama brown-noser who joked about Sarah Palin’s daughter being raped.

David Letterman, 2012 Kennedy Center honoree.

Well it is the Kennedy Centre.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 1:13 pm
He is going out of his way to drive down the ratings.

I loved the recollection of somebody here yesterday on scrotum face’s opening words on Insiders:

“Well, Tony Abbott…”

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 1:15 pm
Can’t happen soon enough, although I’m predicting Woine Goose announces his retirement before the election, so he can concentrate fully on appreciating his Goose Springsteen collection.

Personally I’m hoping Swan goes for glory and teams up with the AWU enforcers to boot Gillard, then produce evidence to end her career forever, then steps into the top job, with a brief but glorious career as PM before recording the lowest ever Primary Vote for the ALP since it’s inception, leading to a close-run thing with Katter as the official opposition party.

It would be a stain on Australian politics to have his mug hanging in the hallway, but worth it for the ability to scare kiddies in the future of what happens when you appoint innumerate trade union hacks into positions of responsibility.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 1:16 pm
Oh how they laughed and LOLed when Bolt was given a Sunday talk show.

Well, they’re not laughing much now.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 1:20 pm
Well, they’re not laughing much now.

Who was the barking mad loser who used to try and make a point here of how poor Bolt’s ratings supposedly were?

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 1:28 pm
Rabz

That was that idiot Loldouche. The idiot would post the Sunday morning ratings every monday arvo here and go all orgasmic because ol’scrotum face had won by a few thousand and bolts was basically a new show.

I think he’s one of bleacher’s slaves over at crikey who basically work for a plate of chips.

Since bolts ascendency we haven’t seen the spiteful pipsqueak.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
Brc

Of course the only reason the little turd would go for gold would be to score a few benefits as the little weasel knows he hasn’t a hope in gizmo of ever winning.

Look, the libs could exhume Menzies and Wand would still lose.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?

Entropy

3 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
Who was the barking mad loser who used to try and make a point here of how poor Bolt’s ratings supposedly were?

Yeah, what JC said. He used to linkwhore for the Crikey PP Boyz blog all the time, all giddy schoolgirl giggles about how Bolt was going down, baby — DOWN!

Now he’s gone for over-eager linking to Sh0pfront; the PP Boyz blog is dead; and Bolt’s TV show is thriving.

Gosh, that must hurt. Bless their hearts.

sdog

3 Dec 12 at 1:52 pm
Bolt has matured a lot too. Less ready to talk over his panel to voice his own opinions, more ready to let them speak uninterrupted.
Most of his panels have been good value too. Even having clowns like Hawker appear isn’t all bad – whenever he bobs up it’s a reminder of how fucked up the leftist worldview can be.

Lloyd

3 Dec 12 at 1:53 pm
Bless their hearts.

Yes, Dog, they’re so endearing.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 1:55 pm
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?

No. I don’t have a lawn as grass destroys my finely tuned sinus which was only ever conceived for city living. No church.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 1:56 pm
Ive only seen bolt on the vids people put up. I actually don’t think he’s a great interviewer.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 2:00 pm
No. I don’t have a lawn as grass destroys my finely tuned sinus which was only ever conceived for city living.

What do Haitians have against grass?

Unless they are growing it in Griffith, the bastards can’t stand the stuff anywhere near their houses. Very fond of concrete lions though.

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 2:00 pm
Not Haitians, Italians! What a bizarre auto correct.

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 2:02 pm
You’re right, Lloyd, Bolt is better than he was. But his show is still counter-propaganda. There’d be no market for it if the MSM had done its job. The spectacle of “commentators” (like Bolt on one side and Cassidy and co on the other) barracking for one side of politics was basically unheard of until five years ago. Until then, we could figure out people’s biases, but there was a basic attempt made to achieve even-handedness. Journalism ethics have gone out the window.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 2:05 pm
Haitians?

You mean italians with a spellcheck?

Dunno. Grass fucking kills me. NYC was perfect for me as I never had allergies there. Melbourne is like death valley for allergies.

Every bit of my outside living area is paved in bluestone. Plants are where they should be… In pots.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 2:08 pm
he spectacle of “commentators” (like Bolt on one side and Cassidy and co on the other) barracking for one side of politics was basically unheard of until five years ago.

I don’t mind barracking from private businesses. I think that’s why Britain has the best newspapers – they very openly support one side against the other.

When you are funded by the taxpayer however you should shut your mouth and keep your opinions to yourself.

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 2:10 pm
No argument there Tom.
I used to think Leigh Sales was a fairly competent journalist and easy on the eyes too, but lately she seems to have degenerated into a rabid screeching harpy. Same with Alberici.
At least Bolt still makes an effort to be nonpartisan. He bags Balilieau and asks the Bolt Question of Abbott.

Lloyd

3 Dec 12 at 2:14 pm
The spectacle of “commentators” (like Bolt on one side and Cassidy and co on the other) barracking for one side of politics was basically unheard of until five years ago.

That’s basically bullshit. Ol’scrotum face, fatty jones, bald idiot Phil Correy, precious Marr have been around forever.

Having a rightie on tv with a political program is a first here.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 2:15 pm
Plants are where they should be… In pots.

….. in the ceiling …. in hydroponic trays ……. with 500 watt lights to make them grow more fast …… oops.

Leigh Lowe

3 Dec 12 at 2:16 pm
@Token
The only pension I get is one I pay myself.
This, together with my earnings fron my consultancy business keeps me in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed.
Your world view is based on stereotype and cliche, with a little delusional fantasy thrown in for good measure.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 2:17 pm
@lloyd
“at least Bolt still makes an effort to be nonpartisan….”
Pure fantasy.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 2:20 pm
….keeps me in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed.

Bitter and twisted?

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 2:22 pm
Thanks, JC.

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 2:22 pm
This, together with my earnings fron my consultancy business keeps me in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed.

Is this the same on where you beat QCs in quasi judicial hearings?

.

3 Dec 12 at 2:23 pm
Melbourne is like death valley for allergies.

You definitely wouldn’t like Japan in Spring then.

Carpe Jugulum

3 Dec 12 at 2:27 pm
The only pension I get is one I pay myself.
This, together with my earnings fron my consultancy business keeps me in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed.

So you spout the crap from 1950′s ideology though you yourself has moved on. Strangely, you still speak as if the rest of us are locked into that redundant IR model.

Your world view is based on stereotype and cliche, with a little delusional fantasy thrown in for good measure

Projection. The logical fallacy the illogical left depends upon.

Token

3 Dec 12 at 2:28 pm
Oh good. Another thread morphing into ALL PATIO BOY! — ALL THE TIME!!

Why do y’all let him do this to you?

sdog

3 Dec 12 at 2:31 pm
Spuds

Fuck off you deranged moocher. People may disagree with bolt but from what I’ve seen he gives people a fair go.

The cat once had a vid of him interviewing that dickhead albanese. Bolt was a gentleman to him whereas I would have punched his lights out given the chance…the lying scrawny douchebag he is.

Compare his style with fatty jones always interrupting and interjecting. He’s lucky no one has taken him out as he thoroughly deserves it.

Now fuck off, you two bit loon.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 2:31 pm
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?

No civilised man mows a lawn on a Sunday.

Used to be prohibited, actually.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 2:33 pm
Why do y’all let him do this to you?

We don’t.

Sinc does.

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 2:35 pm
Speaking of lawn maintenance matters, just saw this over at ABC online…

How the hell?

The Victorian Country Fire Authority says a woman was lucky to escape injury when her hair got caught in a whipper snipper.

The woman from Wyndham Vale, west of Melbourne, had not tied back her hair while using the gardening tool.

She called for help when her hair got caught in the motor, dragging the whipper snipper up to her head.

Luckily it stalled before doing any damage.

It took fire crews about 15 minutes to dismantle the tool and they managed to untangle her hair without needing to cut it.

Woman has hairy encounter with whipper snipper.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 2:38 pm
You see, Bolt does occasionally criticise Abbot and definitely critises Baileau, and lately has been sniping shots at Newman as well.

If you’re going to be a openly-biased commentator like Bolt, it’s important to pick on your own side as well. Not only to remove the appearance of having your lips locked to the rear of the currently sitting party politicians, but also to make sure they realise they’ll have to cop criticism from all sides for dumb policies.

The left have never figured this out, because they come from cultures like trade unionism and modern-day communism descendants, where everyone must be on the same sheet and dissent is not allowed, let alone encouraged.

A complete culture of ‘the king is dead, long live the king’ on the side of the Australian left is why they keep serving up hopeless politicians. 5 years ago, they all lined up to fawn at the feet of Rudd, now they all throw him under the bus as a problem to be managed. They never criticise Labor policies, and openly twist and distort logic to try and make up for them. Thus the Labor party thinks it can get away with anything because they have a cheer squad that will never criticise them.

It all boils down to whether you think as an individual or a collective. Collectivism fails, every time.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 2:38 pm
Oh good. Another thread morphing into ALL PATIO BOY! — ALL THE TIME!!

Why do y’all let him do this to you?

+1

brc

3 Dec 12 at 2:39 pm
Nice.

Watch this video carefully…

Gillard laughs at permanently wheelchair-bound woman saying how hard life is for her.

From O.28 ——>>>>>>>>>>

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 2:42 pm
No civilised man mows a lawn on a Sunday.

Real men mow the lawn on Satdee arvo wearing Stubbies with either double pluggers or Dunlop Volleys. They have an old trannie in the ear and a domestic beer in their pocket. They then edge the lawn with a spade, making plenty of sparks when they hit the curb.

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 2:44 pm
Compare his style with fatty jones always interrupting and interjecting. He’s lucky no one has taken him out as he thoroughly deserves it.

Talking over your interview subject seems the modus operandi of the left. It’s very common and very irritating on the ABC. Mark Colvin ( radio PM) even does it to ABC reporters who phone in a story.

Very bad manners, and did I mention it was irritating?

I reckon they do it because they value their own opinions and don’t like the interviewee to express any ~~incorrect~~ alternate view.

DaveF

3 Dec 12 at 2:46 pm
Woman in wheelchair asks her prime minister, gillard, a question.

ABC headline:

Gillard heckled at disability event

Gab

3 Dec 12 at 2:46 pm
Australia: the stupid country.

Registered Glock owner pulls his weapon on being threatened by two men, cops show and shoot him dead.

See, only the police are allowed to use guns to ‘protect’ themselves.

Police shooting raises questions: inquest.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 2:48 pm
JC you should actually go to the real death valley. Not a blade of grass or tree to be seen as far as the horizon. Lots of interesting stuff, starkly beautiful landscape. Ultimately it’s just a pile of desert, but has really interesting stuff you can’t see anywhere else like The Racetrack, Scotty’s Castle and Badwater Basin (lowest point in the USA, 84 feet below sea level).

If you’re ever in Las Vegas for a stretch, it’s definitely worth a day or two-day trip. Some of the better stuff can only be seen with a 4wd, which really adds to the fun of getting there.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 2:48 pm
Well I am pretty sure Jews and seventh day Adventists don’t mow on the sabbath, so for them Sunday it is.

Entropy

3 Dec 12 at 2:50 pm
Julia Gillard smirks and giggles through a disabled woman’s plea.

Tony Abbott acts as guide for blind man’s marathon.

Just about says it all.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 2:55 pm
Real men mow the lawn on Satdee arvo wearing Stubbies with either double pluggers or Dunlop Volleys. They have an old trannie in the ear and a domestic beer in their pocket. They then edge the lawn with a spade, making plenty of sparks when they hit the curb.

This will warm the cockles of IT and C.L., and even JC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sXtjcqV_IA

Life In Australia: Cairns

“Early morning in Cairns, you’ll meet a few people like Tony Taylor, netting a few prawns, or fishing , before going off to work…”

.

3 Dec 12 at 2:57 pm
Always wanted to drive from cal to Vegas. Brc will do that one day.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 2:58 pm
This will warm the cockles of IT and C.L., and even JC.

No, it makes me sick that we have become a country of mincing fascists.

Infidel Tiger

3 Dec 12 at 3:02 pm
Perhaps unfortunately you are right IT, Tony Taylor would now probably be illegally fishing in one of that repetitive, inarticulate, uneducated, semi-literate moron Sarah Hanson Young’s sacred fishing no go areas.

.

3 Dec 12 at 3:04 pm
Your ALPBC – all the subtlety of house brick.

In 2013, South Africa will also implement a carbon tax, California will begin an emissions trading scheme, and China will pilot a country-wide program. South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Chile, Brazil and Costa Rica are all at different stages of implementing market mechanisms as well.

BTW, love the photo of the cooling towers, you dishonest marxist pricks!

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 3:05 pm
Australia was freer then, Dot – 1964 – than it is today.

C.L.

3 Dec 12 at 3:05 pm
Always wanted to drive from cal to Vegas. Brc will do that one day.

You can do that via Death Valley, which is the best way. Enter the park at the South on the way from Vegas, stay in either Panamint Springs or Furnace Creek and check out the sights. Exit the park at the north end, then cross the Inyo Mountains until you’re in the next valley which the 395 runs up. Keep your eyes out and you’ll spot the famous Bristlecone pines that Mann used to hoodwink the world into carbon taxes. Follow the 395 North for a bit and take the pass into Yosemite National Park, and spend some time there (though lots of grass + trees!). Finally exit back down through the central valley, marvel at the irrigation system that feeds a continent (before the greenies dismantle it) and then head either into either San Francisco or south to LA.

Awesome bit of the world. Much better to look at than anything in Australia. You’ll be going from the absolute desert floor to the high Sierra in about 4 or 5 hours of driving, and see everything in-between.

I’ve recommended this type of trip to quite a few people over the years, and they have all returned raving about it.

brc

3 Dec 12 at 3:08 pm
Some might say that wanting to shoot bunnies with an SLR is overkill. But if you can afford the ammo – why not?

Mmmmmmm.. rabbit stew….

nilk

3 Dec 12 at 3:08 pm
C.L.,

On that note…

I met an interesting older guy at the first LDP meeting I ever went to (2006) and he was interesting because of what he said – basically that Australia was becoming less and less free, and he did not want his grandchildren to live in an unfree society.

It was sort of shocking to hear that from an older guy, after all, in my lifetime, we’d taken on microeconomic reform and saw the fall of communism, and as a child, free speech and self defence were simply assumed to be rights we held without question.

After becoming familiar with the AQF and how the unions have sewn up superannuation, I can see now how the long march through the institutions has done its evil work.

.

3 Dec 12 at 3:12 pm
Seriously.

Listen to the Senate on News Radio one day and listen to Sarah Hanson Young.

It will make you seriously consider a requirement such as a minimum IQ threshold to be a Parliamentarian.

.

3 Dec 12 at 3:14 pm
There goes Ponting – out for 8 in his last Test innings. Best Australian batsman since Bradman.

tom

3 Dec 12 at 3:29 pm
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?

I hvae a very good friend who records BoltA for me every weekend.

nilk

3 Dec 12 at 3:43 pm
Watch this video carefully…

Gillard laughs at permanently wheelchair-bound woman saying how hard life is for her.

Sign language expert reinterprets Gillard’s response to wheelchair bound womans question.

Splatacrobat

3 Dec 12 at 3:44 pm
YouTube, nilk, youtube

Entropy

3 Dec 12 at 3:45 pm
I am amazed so many people watch the tellie of a Sunday morning. Don’t you have lawns to mow, churches to attend etc?

Early Mass on Sunday in my parish is 8,30am.

Gab

3 Dec 12 at 3:46 pm
It will make you seriously consider a requirement such as a minimum IQ threshold to be a Parliamentarian.

Be generous and say no one can be a rep with an IQ lower than average…100.

That would knock out 90% of the front bench and nearly all the slime.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 3:48 pm
Essential steady on 53-47.

Anyone else note the irony that the evil right-wing hate media Newspoll now consistently has the best numbers for Labor out of all polls?

Pollbludger, bless his heart, regards Essential’s questions on the AWU affair as “the most well framed set of questions yet seen on the issue”. Which seems to mean it gives the most positive response for Gillard.

MDMConnell

3 Dec 12 at 4:06 pm
In fairness to Gillard answering questions about specific situations is not a pollie’s brief and at least she didn’t tell the disabled woman it was Abbott’s fault.
Gillard’s face looks like a death mask.

Lloyd

3 Dec 12 at 4:14 pm
Gillard’s face looks like a death mask.

Yep, extreme botox and thin pursed lips – not a good look…

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 4:15 pm
In fact she manages to simultaneously look like both a cobra and a weasel. And that’s before she says anything…

Lloyd

3 Dec 12 at 4:18 pm
Last week Sinc referred to a link, “Vex news’ to justify Gillards description of Blewitt, can anyone vouch for the site?

Brian4Jesus

3 Dec 12 at 4:22 pm
Since when has a “heckler” given a microphone during a politician’s speech ?
It’s a set up, an attempt to make Gillard look “caring” for the disabled.

Keith

3 Dec 12 at 4:24 pm
Pollbludger is a first rate moron.
He was trying to spin some bullshit that the 200 homes Lurch and Rudd burnt down were going to happen anyway …that it was just normal.
I kid you not.

The worst of it is that plenty of meatheads went along with it.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 4:25 pm
“heckler” been given

Keith

3 Dec 12 at 4:25 pm
Some might say that wanting to shoot bunnies with an SLR is overkill. But if you can afford the ammo – why not?

No, true overkill is watching some mug trying to shoot a bunny with an M-60 on the firing range at Pucka. Chewed through a full belt and didn’t land a single bullet on target….

The numbskull who tried wombat hunting with an M-203 (also at Pucka) was another highlight of my time as a Reservist..

Brian of Moorabbin

3 Dec 12 at 4:26 pm
Dot

This is interesting

“It was sort of shocking to hear that from an older guy, after all, in my lifetime, we’d taken on microeconomic reform and saw the fall of communism, and as a child, free speech and self defence were simply assumed to be rights we held without question.”

Microeconomic reform, really commenced with the floating of the dollar and was pre-eminent from trhat time on in Oz
Fall of Communism (which one?) Ill take the Berlin wall fall as the date you mean? 1989

My guess Dot is you are older than you want to be or I think!
Surely as a ten year old you werent that interested in the fall of Communism were you?

Are you sure you werent talking to yourself?

Alice

3 Dec 12 at 4:33 pm
Monty:

THR was actively evil, DD. He promoted and supported an ideology known, and historically verifiable as, evil.

Mk50, why do you insist on characterising your opponents as evil or barbarians? It’s a pattern with you, you seem to have to classify others as subhuman or implacably monstrous, rather than merely debating issues.

Comment: False as stated. My view is a moral one and comes from a moral assessment based on standard western moral and legal values (murder is bad, that kind of stuff). THR self-identified as and supported Leninism and Stalinism. There is absolutely no moral difference between Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism and Hitlerism. All are totalitarian ideologies with historically verifiable records of slaughter on a scale unprecedented since Timur the Lame destroyed the great Islamic civilisations of central asia. All are stains on human history, all created vast human misery, poverty and death: morally, they are unambiguously evil. None of them have any redeeming features. THR, for example, did not have the excuse of being acculturated (he was not born and raised under Leninism), he voluntarily chose to follow and support that ideology. How is that not an evil act, Monty? Would people be relaxed and comfortable about it if he had voluntarily decided to follow and support Hitlerite ideology? If not, why not given that there is no moral difference between them?

It is apparent from your post that you do not share this moral assessment (either because you do not agree with it or have not thought about it).

I do not and have not applied this moral judgement to you, the Steves or Numbers. I view you all as deluded, reality denying narcissistic fabulists and there is no moral issue in that. It’s a stupid thing to be, but stupidity is not a moral problem: it’s a very human thing. There are lots of stupid people like you lot.

I have a similarly moral view of terrorists irrespective of their race, religion, ideology or anything else. Morally, being a terrorist is evil.

I prefer to oppose such evils as best I can and yes, that’s a significant factor in my past and present professions. In terms of barbarians, they self-identify. The fine vigilantes who lynched 6 blokes in Gaza a few weeks back and towed one of the corpses through the streets can be called what else?

Lefty Tactics Lesson No. 235,117 – the Entry Wedge

Here is a good example of the ‘reasonableness with a kicker’ approach. Again, another standard lefty tactic, the intent is to draw the interlocutor in to an apparently reasonable discussion, then to make specific and highly emotional accusations.

Numbers:

A tough reliable weapon….but owning one?

Comment: First, the leftard asks a ‘reasonable question’. A ‘reasonable response might be “Considerable fun on the range, enables one to go after pigs in close terrain, if lawfully owned in accordance with legislation and stored in accordance with regulation (as many are in Australia), why not?”

They’re designed to kill people quickly.

Comment: Then, the leftard makes a plausible, but only partially true statement, as here. The alert interlocutor will not respond as planned. Instead, an alert interlocutor might say something like: “Actually, they are designed to reload after each shot and be robust and accurate. As an infantryman, you should know that artillery is the biggest killer on any battlefield, and that rifle fire is mostly there to keep people’s heads down.” Adding one’s own ‘kicker’ such as “ You were not a very good infantryman were you, Numbers?” will tend to discommode the leftard and act to derail its standard tactic at this point.

Unless you get your rocks off by looking at them, the only reason to own one would be to use it for its intended purpose.

Comment: The leftard will then normally employ a fallacy in logic. In this case, it is the logical fallacy of Confusing association with causation. Aside from raucous laughter at the sheer stupidity of this leftardish statement, an appropriate response might be: “As they are designed to reload after each shot and be robust and accurate and I enjoy firing them at an approved range and in a safe and legal fashion, of course I intend to use it for its designed purpose. I am, however, worried about your mental state and mental capacity given that you seem to believe that you, as a former soldier, existed only to “kill people quickly”. Have you sought professional mental health assistance to deal with this serious mental health problem?”

Which are you then, Mk50?

A wanker or a murderer?

Comment: As is normally the case, the leftard then descends into the pit for another round of argumentum ad hominem. As usual, this can be ignored with appropriate smirks, as simply being proof that the leftard does not understand the basics of cvil discourse (or even grammar, logic etc etc)

More in this tactical appreciation series as the subject provides more examples.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Dec 12 at 4:53 pm
He claimed to be an ex-special forces, Mandarin-speaking Aborigine being hunted by the CIA…

Rabz

3 Dec 12 at 5:01 pm
but only partially true statement, as here

The SLR was designed to kill. That is a statement of fact. It is not a toy – not a piece of equipment designed to amuse. Having seen what it does to human tissue, I can attest to this statement of fact. The statement is not “partially true” – it is simply true. It’s interesting that a conservative is comfortable with the concept of relative truth. This is an accusation thrown about by conservatives at every opportunity.

artillery is the biggest killer on any battlefield

Sure, but an SLR round is designed to kill. The fact that artillery (or mines, or RPGs) also kill has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth of my statement. The comment about artillery is simply a red herring.

Confusing association with causation.

Association is about connection or combination. Causation is the action of causing or producing. I am in no way confusing them. It is valid to associate possession of an SLR with killing. That is after all, what the weapon was designed to do. You may not appreciate the association, but it exists. Try using “rifle” in a word association test. You’ll get “kill” or “shot” in there frequently, just as you would get “drive” or “speed” if you used “roadster”.

Causation is a different concept entirely, but firing an SLR produces a result, which if used for its intended purpose, kills someone. The thing may be used for firing at a range, but that was never its intended function. It is not calibrated for accuracy, but designed to be portable, robust, and reliable. It is a killing machine.

If you don’t own an SLR because you plan to use it for its intended purpose (to kill) then there must be another reason. My understanding (and please correct me if I’m wrong) is that the only way for an individual in Australia to legally own a fully automatic assault rifle is to have a Firearm Collector’s Licence and the firearm deactivated by having the rifle’s action welded up. The SLR can be converted to full auto by filing down the seer, something done often (if illegally as far as the army was concerned) in Vietnam. You would be unable to fire it legally on a range in Oz in this configuration. The best you could do would be to put the deactivated weapon in a cabinet and look at it, perhaps taking it out and handling it from time to time. Hence my “wanker” comment.

I understand the notion of collecting, which is precisely why my roadster is on the market, as I don’t really have the time to drive it anymore. I’m not going to park the thing and look at it. It should be driven. Only a wanker (or bolt f**ker in common parlance) would keep the thing simply to look at it.

you, as a former soldier, existed only to “kill people quickly”

Now that’s really bizarre. If a rifleman in an infantry platoon is carrying an SLR, then it’s probably reasonable to assume that whilst in that role, if he came in contact with enemy, “killing people quickly” was precisely what was expected. It was, after all, infinitely preferable to the alternative, which was to be killed quickly. I can’t believe that you actually wrote that.

As to my “mental health”, I think you’re the one with the problem if you’re honestly putting the argument that soldiers, on active service, aren’t expected to kill. Perhaps you’re advocating a whole new approach to soldiering. Please elaborate – sounds fascinating…..

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 5:43 pm
That SLR statement of yours is complete idiocy, 1735099.

It makes you sound simple minded.

Eddystone

3 Dec 12 at 6:26 pm
Last week Sinc referred to a link, “Vex news’ to justify Gillards description of Blewitt, can anyone vouch for the site?

Not so much vouch for it Brian, but it is run by Andrew Landeryou, son of former Victorian ALP identity, Bill Landeryou.
Both are ….. how you say ….. colourful characters (google “Andrew Landeryou, Melbourne University, property deal” for some interesting reading).
He seems embedded in the inter-factional warfare within the Victorian ALP and has his pet topics ….. His pet hates include the Age (good), along with Kathy Jackson, various municipal council non-entities, Solomon Lew, Steven Mayne (tick), and, more recently Ralph Blewitt
I suspect he is a mouthpiece for someone (hard to know who from the above collection) and I also suspect he is (ahem) “creative” with some of his “reporting”
In short, it is an ALP gossip site.

Leigh Lowe

3 Dec 12 at 6:39 pm
I understand the notion of collecting, which is precisely why my roadster is on the market, as I don’t really have the time to drive it anymore. I’m not going to park the thing and look at it. It should be driven. Only a wanker (or bolt f**ker in common parlance) would keep the thing simply to look at it.

You obviously don’t fully understand the notion of collecting, Numbers!

By your twisted logic a collector of coins would not collect them to look at and admire, but instead, for fear of being called a wanker, go out and use them for their intended purpose e.g. as currency?

Similarly a collector of stamps likewise would not accumulate stamps to admire and enjoy, wanker! No, instead they spend thousands of dollars and immeasurable time collecting rare and beautiful stamps to lick the back of them and whack them on a letter to Nan for Chrissy??

Same would go for collectors of cars, antiques, spoons, tea-towels, dolls, teddy bears, comic books, millitaria and so on.

A collector of anything who doesn’t use their collection for their intended purpose is by numbers definition a wanker!

Numbers, you had better get onto Macquarie Dictionary and get the definition adjusted.

Old Fridgie

3 Dec 12 at 6:40 pm
@Old Fridgie
No, stamp and coin collectors are merely eccentric.

1735099

3 Dec 12 at 6:51 pm
No, stamp and coin collectors are merely eccentric.

That is obviously your opinion!

Mine is quite simply you do not understand the notion of collecting.

Nuff said.

Old Fridgie

3 Dec 12 at 6:54 pm
Fast Boy

Tubbsie Milne is pure walking evil. In the old days she would have been considered satanic.

Go away. Stop trying to pain lipstick on pigs.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 6:55 pm
oops

Damn Ipad… Fat Boy… certainly not Fast Boy.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 6:55 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Queensland. Sick one day, perverted the next… here

Grigory Potemkin

3 Dec 12 at 6:59 pm
“How is that not an evil act, Monty?”

Since THR is getting the revisionist treatment recently, I’m going to weigh in.

THR was a far-leftist of some obscure variety (never could quite pin him down on exactly what), but he made clear his belief that the various atrocities committed by Soviet dictators did not arise directly from the ideology. He was of the idealist school, thinking that massive dispossession, centralisation and regulation would not automatically lead to pogroms, starvation, mass imprisonment, torture and murder.

THR himself never once demonstrated the slightest inclination towards genocide, etc. He never said or showed that he was a slavish follower of Lenin (or anyone), desiring to implement the Soviet model in full including purges and gulags. Therefore it’s wrong, and completely unfair, to accuse him of evil.

It’s also intellectual laziness.

Jarrah

3 Dec 12 at 7:04 pm
[Mark - this is completely OTT. Please tone it down. Sinc]

.

3 Dec 12 at 7:09 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Queensland. Sick one day, perverted the next

You crossed a line there dickhead.

jumpnmcar

3 Dec 12 at 7:20 pm
Anyone seen Stepford?

Hey step, if you’re reading this, which of course you are, I told you this was going to happen. Stupid you for not listening to uncle JC’s advice.

hahahahahhahahahahahaha so you were finally booted.

Where’s the other steves… the one with the plastic sex doll he takes on vacation.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 7:26 pm
The 7.30 Report, with that supposed “conservatively leaning” Chris Uhlmann at the helm, is busy running a typical ABC Panic Session on climate change. Using the finest authorities (some bike riding nerd from CSIRO) and a carefully selected government climate minister (who just happens to be the main newsreader’s amour toujour for now), one has to wonder who in the ABC John Connor of the also favoured Climate Institute is really chummy with.
While remaining unable to forecast weather more than two or three days days ahead, the prediction is now bandied about that we are in for 4-6 degrees by the end of the century instead of the “everything’s under control” two degrees in return for good behaviour by everyone except China.

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 7:41 pm
Stocks within these themes is what an I bank suggests will look good for 2013.

Growth themes
1) Branded GEM consumer plays
2) Industrial Automation
3) Global trade
4) Global travel
5) Water
6) Underleveraged banks in underleveraged countries 43
7) Labour-intensive oilfield services
8) Energy efficiency
9) Reducing car emissions
10) Specific plays on the internet – in particular, e-financial services
11) Ageing in emerging markets
12) Software

JC

3 Dec 12 at 7:42 pm
Maybe if you didn’t deal so much in absolutes, you’d be a happier person.

And you’d be a happier person if you took off 50 Kilos.

Don’t even try to suggest nuance Fat Boy.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 7:44 pm
If I’m a fast boy, that makes you a slow old man, JC.

m0nty

3 Dec 12 at 7:46 pm
Directing your point for you, mont.

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 7:51 pm
If I’m a fast boy, that makes you a slow old man, JC.

No, you’re Fat Boy, not fast boy. I already corrected that Fats.

JC

3 Dec 12 at 7:53 pm
Stocks within these themes is what an I bank suggests will look good for 2013

Pretty bloody wide net, JC.

.

3 Dec 12 at 7:57 pm
Yea it’s wide, but I think it sounds okayish.

look at the theme, then the sector in the theme and then the stock(s)

JC

3 Dec 12 at 7:59 pm
[I'm nipping this THR discussion in the bud. Sinc]

Jarrah

3 Dec 12 at 8:03 pm
Hey Jarrah,merry christmas to you and yours

Tal

3 Dec 12 at 8:08 pm
Monty:

What you are doing, Mk50, is denying your opponents their citizenry if not their humanity.

Incorrect. Pointing out that someone voluntarily supports a verifiably evil ideology says nothing about their citizenry or humanity. Stalin, a soviet citizen, loved children and was a good father to his kids. He also had children killed in large numbers and justified this via his ideology. What I am doing, Monty, is holding people to a verifiable moral standard.

By calling them barbarians or animals, or labelling them as inherently evil, you hearken back to the days when the Roman citizenry was exclusive, and all full citizens looked a lot like you.

Nonsense. People define themselves in moral terms by their actions and beliefs – I did not force THR to be a leninist. If one voluntarily supports Leninisn, and leninism is verifiably evil, what has that person done?

Also, your example is historically inaccurate. Anyone could become a Roman citizen. All you had to do was acculturate, accept and live in accordance with Roman civilised values. This is a false analogy.

This is not the way society works in these days of suffrage, not at all.

Strawman argument drawn from false analogy and hence invalid. The way suffrage functions is not a moral matter.

THR, Pat, even Bird, all are our fellow citizens.

No-one is challenging this. And being a citizen does not mean people cannot be evil. A virtuous citizen is a virtuous citizen, and evil citizen is an evil citizen: nothing more, nothing less. Citizenship is not a moral condition.

To deny them the respect of being considered as sentient men and women, belonging to the same level of humanity as you enjoy, is a feeble excuse that you use to justify abusing people you disagree with.

Stalin and Hitler, socialists both, were sentient. Both were human. Both were evil.

Your ‘argument’ here is senseless and inchoate. Sentience is valid how? Who has denied sentience?

A human is a human, no-one has queried the humanity of anyone: good and evil are morally defined.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Dec 12 at 8:08 pm
Consider ‘thr’ above to be ‘any person’. This is about moral conditions and teh nature of evil, not individuals.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Dec 12 at 8:11 pm
And just to remind all of you what a good blog looks like without substandard trollspoiler comments at all hours of the day and night, have another glance at this one, where a reason may emerge why Syria felt it had to shut down the whole internet for some time. To stop people telling the outside world what’s going on, or to stop Anonymous from spilling the beans on weapons supplies to Hamas in Gaza?

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
Will this help?

Kant believed that ‘good or evil always implies a reference to the will.’

ella

3 Dec 12 at 8:17 pm
FWIW and JFTR, I think FDB was OK and should visit ASAP,IMHO.

jumpnmcar

3 Dec 12 at 8:19 pm
Thank you, Tal. Same to you.

Jarrah

3 Dec 12 at 8:28 pm
“[I'm nipping this THR discussion in the bud. Sinc]”

You missed a few.

Jarrah

3 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm
Nonsense. People define themselves in moral terms by their actions and beliefs – I did not force THR to be a leninist

Look, he wasn’t evil. He was just a guy. Yes, he had sympathies to Marxism, but had not described himself in that way in several years; I don’t think he ever endorsed Lenin, Stalin, etc… If you can find a link to any place where he endorsed communism, post it.

Also, he was really here to debate, and although profoundly wrong on many things, would put up a hell of a fight. It was actually kinda fun to have a toe-to-toe knock-down argument with a leftist who could stand their ground. You couldn’t slip or he’d be all over you.

Also, you have to give people latitude, because that’s the only way that change can occur.

The title of the place is “Catallaxy.” look it up.

dd

3 Dec 12 at 8:31 pm
You missed a few.

Hit refresh a few times – I have deleted several comments.

Sinclair Davidson

3 Dec 12 at 8:33 pm
dd,

“the crooked timber of humanity’

ella

3 Dec 12 at 8:36 pm
Thanks Jarrah x

Tal

3 Dec 12 at 8:38 pm
Vell, Zaphod’s just zis guy, you know?

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 8:39 pm
I’m sorry that THR and FDB have chosen to leave and/or not participate in the general discussion.

Sinclair Davidson

3 Dec 12 at 8:40 pm
No, stamp and coin collectors are merely eccentric.

Really? huh, never been called eccentric before, cool !

jumpnmcar

3 Dec 12 at 8:43 pm
You couldn’t slip or he’d be all over you.

Great. It was Moriarty vs. Holmes. And I thought Catallaxy had been redefined by the Macquarie to mean sensibly conservative with a solid grounding in economics.

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 8:44 pm
L L 6.39 Thanks for the tip off will follow up.

Brian4Jesus

3 Dec 12 at 8:44 pm
I have opened up a new open thread.

Sinclair Davidson

3 Dec 12 at 8:46 pm
This is just bizzare.

monty is defending people with the most vile ideologies (because the possums have humanity, whilst wishing death upon millions) under the cloak of “centrism” & “institutionalism” and goes on, calling us extremists for saying Gillard ought to answer questions about her time at Slater and Gordon and that perhaps the NBN is a failure.

Numbers gets away with calling people who buy centre fire rifles “wankers or murderers” and by implication, insults whole swathes of society.

Strike the root, Sinclair.

.

3 Dec 12 at 8:46 pm
I’m sorry that SteveC and Monty have chosen not to leave and will continue to piss into, sorry, precipitate into the general discussion.

blogstrop

3 Dec 12 at 8:49 pm
Numbers gets away with calling people who buy centre fire rifles “wankers or murderers” and by implication, insults whole swathes of society.

numbers is a hard core troll. Every comment by numbers is a waste of pixels.

dd

3 Dec 12 at 9:04 pm
numbers is a hard core troll. Every comment by numbers is a waste of pixels.

Yep.

jumpnmcar

3 Dec 12 at 9:07 pm
numbers is a hard core troll. Every comment by numbers is a waste of pixels.

Yes, that’s why he finally got banned elsewhere. He’d just troll and troll until he’d got enough people agitated enough to snap back, then he’d run to his own blog and feature screencaps of the “AREN’T THEY ALL JUST TOO MEEEEAAAAN TO ME?!” genre. There’s just something more pathological about that one than the m0ntys and steves combined.

I’m glad m0nty’s mate, whatisname, the diehard white supremacist, is gone, and a few of the blatant blow-in trollers, but I have to admit to missing some of the Lefties who’d at least provide a good debate, not just either go all passive-agressive or stupid, or go stalking home with his prize of mean ol’ meany conservatives! screencaps.

sdog

3 Dec 12 at 9:26 pm
numbers is a hard core troll. Every comment by numbers is a waste of pixels.

Yep.

I’ve fled other blogs where he’s destroyed interesting debates by his spiteful interjections, usually unrelated to the main topic, including insults and name-calling and making sure at some point his military service is introduced. I’ve always treated Vietnam vets with utmost respect but in the numerical one’s case I make an exception. He just a poisonous mental midget with a big mouth and inability to cogently present an argument.

As sdog points out, there’s something seriously pathological and downright creepy about his online spewing.

Megan

3 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
Mk50, hopefully people around here will think twice before throwing around words like animals or “paleosimians” to describe human beings they disagree with in future.

m0nty

3 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm

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