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		<title>By: Driftforge</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/12/07/green-stocks-a-picture-tells-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-665182</link>
		<dc:creator>Driftforge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; What is the point if we have enough cheap coal to last for hundreds of years&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We have enough Thorium to last for 1000+.

Both are irrelevant statements to some extent.  We can do what we are doing, we can do something else, as long as we have power sufficient to the day, and cost effectively so.

Besides, if we power ourselves from geothermal, we can export the coal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> What is the point if we have enough cheap coal to last for hundreds of years</p></blockquote>
<p>We have enough Thorium to last for 1000+.</p>
<p>Both are irrelevant statements to some extent.  We can do what we are doing, we can do something else, as long as we have power sufficient to the day, and cost effectively so.</p>
<p>Besides, if we power ourselves from geothermal, we can export the coal.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Louis. Oil is both biotic and abiotic. 

Oil found below the crystalline bedrock level has fossils in it - must be biotic.

...or it got mixed with some abipotic stuff.

The fact that comets and other planets are basically frozen rock and space LPG means nothing to these turkeys pushing 1950s era science.

How did all of that oil at that level get fossils in it? Ever noticed they are basically micro-organisms or small leaf debris? Ever noticed it is in far smaller proportions than oil found nearer the surface?

So only a small proportion of it leaked down. 

We will also never run out of oil and cohenite has produced research which basically says the greenhouse effect has an upper limit where the earth starts emitting radiation like a black body in space. The &quot;excess heat&quot; isn&#039;t in the ocean, that&#039;s why we can&#039;t measure it. It is going out to the edge of the universe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Louis. Oil is both biotic and abiotic. </p>
<p>Oil found below the crystalline bedrock level has fossils in it &#8211; must be biotic.</p>
<p>&#8230;or it got mixed with some abipotic stuff.</p>
<p>The fact that comets and other planets are basically frozen rock and space LPG means nothing to these turkeys pushing 1950s era science.</p>
<p>How did all of that oil at that level get fossils in it? Ever noticed they are basically micro-organisms or small leaf debris? Ever noticed it is in far smaller proportions than oil found nearer the surface?</p>
<p>So only a small proportion of it leaked down. </p>
<p>We will also never run out of oil and cohenite has produced research which basically says the greenhouse effect has an upper limit where the earth starts emitting radiation like a black body in space. The &#8220;excess heat&#8221; isn&#8217;t in the ocean, that&#8217;s why we can&#8217;t measure it. It is going out to the edge of the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: alan moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pacific Hydro, perhaps the major wind busienss in Australia is owned by the union super funds. They have funds of $28 billion but don&#039;t indicate what value they place on PacHydro.  If it is $1-2 billion they have a strong vested interest in keeping the subsidies without which the firm, depending on the contracts they have, could be near to valueless.

To hold up the value merits much lobbying expenditure.  If the government subsidies dry up that means a gaping superannuation hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacific Hydro, perhaps the major wind busienss in Australia is owned by the union super funds. They have funds of $28 billion but don&#8217;t indicate what value they place on PacHydro.  If it is $1-2 billion they have a strong vested interest in keeping the subsidies without which the firm, depending on the contracts they have, could be near to valueless.</p>
<p>To hold up the value merits much lobbying expenditure.  If the government subsidies dry up that means a gaping superannuation hole.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beer Whisperer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beer Whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like painting your house - estimate how long it takes and double it.  How ever long you expect it to take, it&#039;s never enough.

I saw a doco a year of so back where this guy used what was essentially a blowtorch as a drill.  It went through a meter of granite like a hot knife through butter.  Drills encounter massive pressures which suffers from the law of diminshinv returns.  Maybe the blowtorch encountered the same problems.  It works in Iceland where the volcano is just below the surface.  Australia might b a little tougher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like painting your house &#8211; estimate how long it takes and double it.  How ever long you expect it to take, it&#8217;s never enough.</p>
<p>I saw a doco a year of so back where this guy used what was essentially a blowtorch as a drill.  It went through a meter of granite like a hot knife through butter.  Drills encounter massive pressures which suffers from the law of diminshinv returns.  Maybe the blowtorch encountered the same problems.  It works in Iceland where the volcano is just below the surface.  Australia might b a little tougher.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Hissink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Hissink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Underlying the whole debate is understanding the origin of petroleum and coal.

Put simply oil and coal are deposits of prexisting life, fossils if you wish.

Evidence?

Plenty if you want to support the logical fallacy of arguing the consequent that, in its simplest terms, argues that as my cat has 4 legs, as does my dog, then my cat is a dog.

Noooo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underlying the whole debate is understanding the origin of petroleum and coal.</p>
<p>Put simply oil and coal are deposits of prexisting life, fossils if you wish.</p>
<p>Evidence?</p>
<p>Plenty if you want to support the logical fallacy of arguing the consequent that, in its simplest terms, argues that as my cat has 4 legs, as does my dog, then my cat is a dog.</p>
<p>Noooo.</p>
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		<title>By: NoFixedAddress</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoFixedAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[added to that

anyone that has a solar panel on their roof should immediately have their power from the grid shut off when the sun goes down....

Mind you....they can pay a fee to get coal fired power....about 10 times current highest rates might get them some power....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>added to that</p>
<p>anyone that has a solar panel on their roof should immediately have their power from the grid shut off when the sun goes down&#8230;.</p>
<p>Mind you&#8230;.they can pay a fee to get coal fired power&#8230;.about 10 times current highest rates might get them some power&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: NoFixedAddress</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoFixedAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;That elephant never, evah forgets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the beauty with smart meters is that you can shut off the power to the f*ckwits that ticked the green energy option whenever the wind stops blowing or the sun goes down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That elephant never, evah forgets.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the beauty with smart meters is that you can shut off the power to the f*ckwits that ticked the green energy option whenever the wind stops blowing or the sun goes down.</p>
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		<title>By: Poor Old Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poor Old Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the point if we have enough cheap coal to last for hundreds of years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the point if we have enough cheap coal to last for hundreds of years?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Macmillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Macmillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we have to be fair to Geodynamics et al, because even though the share performance has been abysmal, I think that anyone aware of the technical challenges involved would know that this is an experimental enterprise that has to overcome a lot of unknowns and accumulate experience.

The potential upside is considerable, even if it is taking too long. I put my money where my mouth is, and live in hope, if not trembling...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have to be fair to Geodynamics et al, because even though the share performance has been abysmal, I think that anyone aware of the technical challenges involved would know that this is an experimental enterprise that has to overcome a lot of unknowns and accumulate experience.</p>
<p>The potential upside is considerable, even if it is taking too long. I put my money where my mouth is, and live in hope, if not trembling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rabz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Theres a few who have woken up to themselves and pretend they were never a raving climate change zealot, and everyone else wishes it would all just disappear like the multi function polis and become yesterdays policies. Including the politicians themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. The evidence of their idiocy remains, thanks to the power and glory of teh interwebz.

That elephant never, evah forgets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Theres a few who have woken up to themselves and pretend they were never a raving climate change zealot, and everyone else wishes it would all just disappear like the multi function polis and become yesterdays policies. Including the politicians themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>No. The evidence of their idiocy remains, thanks to the power and glory of teh interwebz.</p>
<p>That elephant never, evah forgets.</p>
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