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All they’d be asking for is the ability to buy at the same price as retailers in other countries (not including shipping overhead). Something they often can’t do because manufacturers charge more for goods destined to retailers in Australia simply because they can. If retailers don’t manage to negotiate even that then they’re doomed (not that I particularly care).
@cl : the dealer – well, let’s just say they are a brand that has gotten so used to gouging customers because of restrictions on personal parallel imports that they think parts gouging is par for the course as well. I wont name names, but once upon a time they made engines for the Luftwaffe.
As for the pollies and retailiers – well, they can prise my online shopping out of my cold, dead hands. As JC says, it’s unstoppable unless you want to hit it at the internet censorship level, which I wouldn’t put past Conroy, the milk-loving red-underpants wearer.
These days it’s not just online shopping.
Because of semi-frequent US bound trips, 3 or 4 hours at a decent outlet mall and I’ve got myself and the extended family all fitted out with clothes for pennies on what you would pay here. 2 x 32 baggage weight limit on the way back – no problems at all.
I prefer wearing Levis as a wardrobe staple in the cooler months, and I have an embarrasment of a selection now. Never paid more than $40 for a pair. Running shoes? Anything over $50 is outrageous and I won’t pay it.
In fact I don’t even remember the last time I bought clothing in an Australian store.
With cheaper flights to LA now the new normal (surprise! another Australian government granted monopoly removed and prices fall!) you can easily fly to LA, stay for a few days, and mostly offset the cost of the flight by doing a year or twos worth of shopping in one hit. Pick up a classic car or a caravan while you’re there and really save some money.
Shit. See what I mean?
Yeah, brc – it’s great. That’s why I know this fucked up country will do anything and everything to shut it down.
Is that for real? This is comedy gold.
Where? This is fountain of youth type stuff.
I’ve been an avid catalogue shopper long before the arrival of the internet for the reasons listed above…cheaper prices, larger range, better quality fabrics/materials..and even with postage, and back in the eighties, custom charges as well..it was a better deal than buying in retail stores here.
The internet has removed the one negative from those heady days…the long wait for arrival. I order my winter boots from the UK at the end of their winter when they are on sale. I order Friday and they are at my door by the following Wednesday. And in styles and sizes I just can’t find here.
I won’t be spending that money here if the retailers get their way and have the GST added. I’ll do what brc suggests and take a trip every couple of years purely to stock up.
Can someone recommend a good online shoe vendor?
If it’s dress shoes or really smart casual European stuff you’re after you could try these guys: shopthefinest.com
I’ve bought a few items of clothing from them and they’ve been good. Based in California.
Hahaha. The discount mall I discovered during my last trip happens to be in St Augustine, FL… which coincidentally also happens to be the location of Ponce de Leon’s famous Fountain of Youth.
LOL.
But seriously, next time you go to the States take almost nothing with you. Buy it all there and haul it back.
I tried it last year and mine got through. Look, get it through a re-shipper. The other thing is they may be aware of are say parcels coming in from the Philippines or Malaysia in the region, which are known to ship cigs.
The US reservation racket isn’t as well known, so try that next time. Imagine the parcels coming through from the US. Just experiment with a carton and see what happens.
As I said I trialed it early this or late last year and it worked.
Septimus – good, innit?
Half the tracks on that album, imagine Nightwish with Tarja Soile Susanna Turunen singing ‘em…
Gotta run, in the boonies for work.
WTF? Why are you dudes buying clothes in Cal. People from that shithole state aren’t exactly known for their fashion sense.
Go to NY and Stock up. Lord Jesus… Cal.. Florida. Where next … the Sudan for cheap turbans?
Freshen up the fashions fellas.
My policy with tobacco is to bring in really small quantities multiple times. Firstly, if it’s lower amount than what you can bring in your suitcase, traditionally they’ve left you alone. Secondly, if they do send you a bill it’s for three cigars or 50g of tobacco and therefore going to cost them more to process it than it will cost you. Make sure there’s no paperwork or invoices with it, not that it really makes much difference with tobacco as it’s based on quantity or weight.
We can’t all be rockin’ Armani crocodile skin loafers and pleated Gucci Jeans, JC.
Alternative to LA. Head for Hawaii. Go to the Waikele Centre at Waipahu. Lots of factory outlets, and again, incredibly cheap.
DaveF
Don’t overdo it and get greedy. Don’t go ordering 10 cartons at a time as that may attract suspicion.
Just order enough for say 2 or 3 weeks supply and keep doing it.
Piss off, JC!! It’s Italian clothing from that joint!
What do you think of these stores, Mr Shopping:
Brookes Brothers
Orvis
LL Bean
and have you done any mail order from them?
Take a look what they did to grey imports of cars in the late ’90′s. All of a sudden you could buy the sweetest, most kickarse, luxurious, well built for the Japanese / European market Japanese cars. Skylines, Supra’s, GTO’s etc were coming in for for next to nothing. Then the second tier cars started coming: 4wd’s like Surfs, people movers like Delicas, family sedans like Chasers, etc. So Toyota Australia has a major whinge to the government and lo-and-behold! Almost immediately the burgeoning industry was all but strangled. They started by arguing that Japanese cars made for the Japanese / European market weren’t as “safe” as the cars made for Australia. Yes you heard that right, they were arguing that an R33 Nissan Skyline GTR was less “safe” in an accident than a piece of shit aussie market Corolla or Pulsar.
And that was under Howard.
Incidentally we got to see that the makes and models of cars that they send to Australia and charge eye watering prices for is the same shit that they send to the third world countries.
Jezz, JC. The Florida outlet mall isn’t selling clothes made in Florida FFS. It’s the same shit you can get in NY, without the NY sales tax.
http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/outlet.asp?id=55
My wife filled 3 suitcases there. Poor thing had a panic attack because it was so cheap compared to Australia. I drank a lot of Mai Tais.
Or moisturizers, IT.
Any man that moisturizes as you once claimed should not be trying to make fun of other people’s fashion sense.
I would grow my own tobacco, but…
RESCUED FROM ELSEWHERE. FOR POSTERITY.
This is an outrage
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ea190180/s28.html
EXCISE ACT 1901 – SECT 28
Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.
(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.
Penalty:
(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant–2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and
(b) for tobacco leaf–2 years imprisonment or the greater of:
(i) 500 penalty units; and
(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.
At that stage it is virtually impossible without intimidation or being co-opted by the mafia. Several people have been murdered in Australia based only on dodging excise.
The penalty for growing tobacco in Australia can be two years imprisonment and a $55 000 fine.
EXCISE ACT 1901 – SECT 117C
Unlawful possession of tobacco seed, plant or leaf
(1) A person (other than a licensed producer, licensed dealer or licensed manufacturer) must not, without permission, intentionally possess, or have custody or control of, material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.
Penalty:
(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant–2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and
(b) for tobacco leaf–2 years imprisonment or the greater of:
(i) 500 penalty units; and
(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.
Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.
(2) A person (other than a licensed producer, licensed dealer or licensed manufacturer) must not, without permission, possess, or have custody or control of, tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.
Penalty: 100 penalty units.
(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ea190180/s117c.html
Dog
I know, but they cater to the locals and I love Floridians to death, their fashion sense isn’t at the top of the curve.
JC, also Filson. Primarily interested in whether mail order is worthwhile.
JC I was doing a carton or two. Plenty for me for a while.
I figured the shape of the parcel was the thing.
But I’ll say the Indian guys I used didn’t dud me. Honest Injuns they were.
What’s Filson John Mc?
Greedy pricks. There was only supply of a vent for surplus to us anyway because of the Japanese registration rules which act as a proxy for industry welfare. (They even enforce rules for you to tape up or repair seats with tears in them).
Dave F
Indian guys as in Indian or American Indian? Don’t buy any cigs from Asia. You’ll get lung cancer at the blink of an eye, or just after you light up.
JC, my face is my meal ticket.
Ever go to one of those Century 21 stores in NYC? My God, it was like an all in brawl over 5 levels.
JC, all of those places are US clothing stores that do mail order. If think they’re all east coast if not New York.
Seriously, in a just and fair world 95% of Australian government workers should be on death row. They are such fucking arseholes. I had a run in with a council worker today.
Dot, there is no shortage of illegal tobacco in Australia, and I’m pretty quite a bit of it is grown ‘rough’ i.e. locally.
2 years for growing your own, huh?
What is it for dope, nothing?
And homebrew is ten bucks for 60 beers or so at the supermarket.
Fuck I love this government for protecting me.
Yes, those are more my style as well, plus Land’s End & Eddie Bauer. No offense to the Armani crocodile skin loafers and pleated Gucci Jeans wearers amongst us.
I just get it sent to my parents’ house – that’s still the address on my US-based credit cards – and they on-ship it, so I wouldn’t know about those stores’ international delivery services.
Moisturizer? That’s a startling admission.
JC – no they were Amerindians. I forget the site.
John Mc I’d love to find the ‘bag men’ with the non taxed tobacco but have no idea how to.
Wifey used to go until she graduated to “sample sales”. I’m not kidding there’s some sort of female bush telegraph in that fucking city with bimbos calling each other about the latest sample sales.
She went to three her friends told her about when we were there. She refers to it as a “saving”…as in this sweater costs x in the regular store and I got it for x- 60% so I saved 60%
Feather, not dot.
Find a hard core smoker. Do you have any friends or family hell bent on lung cancer?
This was a really interesting documentary, as part of the Pearl Harbor commemorations.
Killer Subs in Pearl Harbour
The blurb doesn’t do the programme justice, they seem to come to quite a compelling landing that one of the two-man Japanese mini-subs entered Pearl Harbor and launched torpedoes during the aerial attack.
This famous photo of Battleship Row taken from a Japanese bomber supposedly shows the moment when the shockwave from a torpedo strike on what – I think – is the “West Virginia” causes the midget submarine to breach the surface in the centre left of the photo.
Apart from the incredible odds of this photo been taken at the moment of the torpedo strike, the finding of the submarine, and the recollections of servicemen still alive from both sides makes for an amazing addition to the history of the day, even after all these years.
Dog
LL Bean?
Dude.
Brookes bros as really smarted up over the past few years.
John Mc it isn’t lung cancer, it will be general ill health. But no I don’t know any guys who smoke who know those cheap guys.
You know the ‘Silk Road’ which is apparently dark internet that sells drugs. I wonder if there’s dark net or deep net tobacco merchants, or one about to emerge. I have a relative who receives quite decent sized packages of illegal tobacco through the mail, but that was coordinated through people they knew. Maybe have to pay with BitCoin!
If I encouraged people to vote informally, would I be committing a misdemeanour or indictable offence?
IT and CL are right. What a pathetic shithole of nancies.
I like to think we are helping everyone go Galt with all this online sales action.
I might add you can pick up some spectacular wives frome Eastern European outlets at a fraction of the cost of a local one.
Yes Dot it would be a crime re: Langer in Vic c1990?
You can’t encourage non approved votes.
You can however do it yourself. I certainly have.
Get unenrolled. It isn’t hard.
JC, I’m going to do an order from Brookes Brothers I think. I appreciate it’s not top tier, but I had some meetings with the CEO of a big American helicopter manufacturer and he was wearing their stuff and full of praise for them.
I might add you can pick up some spectacular wives frome Eastern European outlets at a fraction of the cost of a local one.
Until the divorce!
John Mc
Yea, I said Brooks has improved a lot of the past several years. I have a few sweaters and shirts from them.
In fact I still wear an LL Bean field coat (with a Pendleton wool liner which I rarely need use in WA) that I got for Christmas my freshman year. LOL.
We laugh about ‘Going Galt’ but I think it’s quite relevant. It’s not about living in a capitalist commune, but perhaps more like this and using technology to trade with people you want to below below the surface rather than on top of it.
IT:
I told my sis-in-law she was a punchline.
In heaven
your house is American.
your butler is English.
your chef is French.
your wife is Japanese.
In hell:
your butler is French.
your chef is English.
your house is Japanese.
your wife is…
She loved it.
She’s from the US if anyone didn’t get it…
My God… dogs driving cars. Really.
There’s something about sweating over one of borats however distant rellies that price can’t compensate.
Stories abounded of cranky Toyota and Nissan spare parts managers abusing people who came in to dealerships to ask about buying spares for their imports. Lists circulated throughout the forums of the dealerships that it was “safe” to say you had an import at.
So then people figured it was easier to also import spares too. I’ve owned two imports and never stepped foot in a local dealership for spares because of those stories.
And they wonder why they’re going broke, who the fuck abuses their customers while simultaneosly gouging the shit out of them? Australian businesses – that’s who.
John Mc
I think you’re right.
If I was a wealthy libertarian benefactor, I’d set up education centres where the average bloke could go for tax advice, tax planning, advice on how to be a PT, how to get out of onerous and petty fines and regulation etc. They’d be an element of a co-op system where people could lay down issues they have in starting businesses and people could exchange labour and accreditation in an honest manner.
We’d also take on minor traffic fines, prosecution of victimless crimes etc just because.
The aim would be to castrate, starve and choke onerous Government.
…Australian?
*ducks*
JohnMc its hard for Yanks to do this I think they pay US tax whether or not they live there.
Australia is ok, 6 months +1 day and you’re non taxable.
There’s a great market for aftermarket car parts as well, which are every bit as good as the OEM stuff and you can often get them online.
There is a fellow near me who sells secondhand Mercedes, been around a long time, and he specialises in providing aftermarket parts for Mercedes, or oversees sourced original parts. My mechanic is right near him and says he has a lot of customers who maintain 5 to 10 year old Mercedes using him as the source, and it’s the same as running any other cheap car. This mechanic is also a whiz at sourcing Ford parts for me, either aftermarket or online.
I think in many areas theres a whole new economy forming due to technology. It’s not the black economy, but it’s not white either.
DaveF, I’m aware of that fact. I used to dream – pie in the sky stuff – of becoming a US citizen. But their extremist tax collection regime, no matter where you work in the world, has made me think twice. I actually think being a Canadian citizen living in the US might be a better option.
Yes, you’d be right to duck there, Puppy Boy
Yes. You have to renounce your citizenship to ever get free of the IRS’s claims on all your earnings and assets. Something more and more people have been doing in the last few years, by the way. And expect more of it.
Dot, I like it. We need the Koch brothers!
The Death Taxes in the US shitted me off as well. I may never be particularly rich but I do want to leave pretty much all of it to my wife and kids.
My laptop has a sticky ‘a’ key, won’t work on bttery, and is now three years old. I paid someone $200 to ‘overhaul’ it recently but it is still prone to distress (or I am, hard to pinpoint blame here).
Da Ape’s dvice is to go out and get a new one and throw this one out and be more careful with my drinks in future. I am shocked at the disposble society.
He is sick of me swearing under my breath, and sometimes not so under it, becuse things are very annoying.
I hve not even strted my Christmas shopping yet.
Tht is why the economy is even more cactus than ever.
Of course, it is all Tony bbott’s fault.
Not just yanks but green card holders. I even had
the fucking arsehole IRS representative in their Melbourne consulate office calling wanting to claw tax out of me, despite having left 6 months or so before the 10 year rule off date ( in which case you have to have to pay US taxes or they go after you through the Australian courts.
It’s the most rapacious government ever.
Imagine, they even have a IRS schlep in their consulate offices.
I wouldn’t marry a Yankee either, if that helps, Gab.
Southerners may well be the last, best, most civilized people on earth.
::raises flak shield::
Lizzie, it’s three years old – that’s like 100 in dog years. Get a new laptop, otherwise people may mistake you for Alice as her spelling sucks big time.
I still love the Yanks (greatest nation in human history) but there’s so many areas where the American model has been corrupted beyond recognition.
John Mc
I’d also add in setting up self managed super.
Imagine if it was free minus Governmental fees, you just had to contact my head office…
I had the idea once of a lottery for paying fines as well. You pay $x where x is equal to the amount of demerit points on a particular fine. Winners are drawn every week on Friday at 7 pm.
I;m betting the Liars Party introduces death taxes next year over a certain level in the interests of fairness of course. Watch.
Yep, $200 to overall a three year old laptop can’t be worth it, Liz. If you must hang on to it get an external keyboard, either Bluetooth or USB.
Don’t marry a Yank sdog before how much is owed on student loans.
Southerners may well be the last, best, most civilized people on earth
Hmmmm…with the odd exception.
I just laughed out loud.
Don’t cross the Gabster.
That could be one of the best ideas of ‘Going Galt’ that I’ve heard. Basically a charity type service that will assist you to legally starve the government that tries to rule your life.
If you incorporated something like that, a bit of LDP action, IPA and CIS getting into the media, it can’t lead to nothing.
And it might be only a minority that supports all these things, but it will be a meaningful minority.
So a few days from Montreal in the US becomes totally taxable.
man, these guys have really done it now.
Example.
No, that title belongs to Britain. Sure the last 60 years have been a shameful embarrassment but the preceding millennia was stellar.
The US burned brightly but not for long enough to win. And now it’s a European style toilet.
The search continues.
She meant it in an affectionate sense, CL.
At least that’s what I’m choosing to believe.
So shut up.
Speaking of civilisation and nations, for the first time I’ve watched snippets of Geordie Shore. Conclusion: I see no down side in a re-timelined history in which Hitler won the Battle of Britain.
If the year is the period it could be possible to keep it below 75% though.
Actually that example is crap.
I apologise. Blame the IRS however.
I’ve been saying WWII was a waste of time for a while now.
Damn misogynists are everywhere.
Shoes, shoes, did I hear someone upthread mention shoes? Yes!!
I have been busy tody breking in aaa couple of new pairs of new high heels in readiness for the festivities till Christmas. Walking around home wering them with my gym outfit.
Man instlling new washing machine was quite interestsed in them. Gardeners also complimentary as I went out to the garage. Delivery man with parcel from Japan also looking down to my feet as I signed. Then man came to mesure up new curtins nd I helped him hold the tape measure. He ws quite grateful and admired my shoes too and their helpful extr height.
It can get quite busy around here on a quiet day when I think no-one will be there to notice. I put my thongs bck on before Ape came home; wouldn’t want himn to think I waas flirting ataall.
‘a’ key seems better now too. I think and hope.
No, that title belongs to Britain. Sure the last 60 years have been a shameful embarrassment but the preceding millennia was stellar.
I look at the US as an extension of Britian. All the New World inherited the best government, commerce, legal, education and even religious systems of the day from Britian. The US took it, refined it, got it right and went higher.
Then fell grace like all the others.
Racist.
Sorry, that was directed at Gab. Misogynistically.
I must stop this tom foolery. Goodnight!
Lizzie, it sounds like the battery will no longer retain a charge. If your laptop is more than three years old, odds are that you won’t be able to get a replacement battery. I’d have to agree it’s time for an upgrade.
Perhaps I will go to Harvey Norman and buy a new computer before Christmas.
Will I hve to lern Windows 8 though?
Windows 7 ws tough enough for me.
And don’t mention the filing. I’d hve to sort out all of my files somehow and decide wht to tke with me. Just like packing.
But probably better than looking nd sounding like Alice, I must agree.
For Gab
She
On behalf of sdog
Even Hitler would have eventually decided against invading/occupying that filthy toilet for a country. A permanent blockade, quarantine, and irreversible ban on UK emigration was the parallel universe outcome of WWII. Sounds good to me.
Ahh, so romantic. Time for an avatar change.
Mrs Septimus is one very lucky lady
Lizzie, tying the thread together, don’t reward those lazy price gouging slobs at Harvey Norman. Order your new laptop direct from the USA. Either amazon, or try b&h photo and video in new york. You’ll save a heap and get the latest gear.
Or just buy an apple at the high prices. They are much better build quality than most else.
Ebay – chances are Lizze would be able to find a replacement battery for her laptop even if its 6 years old on eBay. It’d just be a 3rd party one (and much cheaper too).
Avoid Windows 8 if you can.
I will consult HIA about what to buy. He knows a lot about such t’ings in general but refuses to ‘reverse shop’, ie. do a purchase comparison once a purchase has been made. If I buy something, that’s it. We live with my mistakes or successes.
Unfortunately, he is flat out at work right now, up early and thus early to bed, and has little time for long discussions about minor purchases like mine. Get whatever you want darlin’ is his usual response. I don’t know what I want, I complain.
I have an Amazon account so may try them, thanks BRC. Otherwise I will wait for a week until HIA can help me with the purchase or at least send someone else to my rescue with some sensible advice.
If I hit the ‘a’ key hard it works, and who needs a battery?
I will manage for a while longer.
I am off now to recharge my own personal batteries in the Land of Nodd.
LOL Gab.
Lizzie, I know what that’s like. My old laptop has a sticky e, out of warranty and about three years old it’s sitting idle until I can put the things I want to save from it into a spare memory gadget.
My work computer, still under warranty, has a sticky 4, which is interesing as my print code has a 4 in it. Leads to very annoying things happening. I should let the IT peeps get me a new keyboard, huh?