12/12/12 Open Forum at Catallaxy Files

12/12/12 Open Forum

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December 12th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 12:02 am
12/12/12 woohoo. Astrologists are telling us that there will be major communication glitches today. hey, they’re more accurate then climate predictions.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:03 am
3rd

Mike of Marion

12 Dec 12 at 12:04 am
A bit more of Barnaby in the Senate:

The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT ( Senator Pratt ): Senator Joyce, please direct your remarks to the bills* under discussion.

Senator JOYCE: If we want to know about green power, we can see the energy that it takes to eat flies and bring up tadpoles. Maybe we can have a caucus with Senator Crossin and some of the Greens—Senator Rhiannon—that would be good. We will be able to listen to them grunting along, talking about windmills and photovoltaic cells, as we blow $10 billion. You might think $10 billion is irrelevant, Senator Crossin, but there are a lot of people who think $10 billion is a lot of money. You do not really care about $10 billion anymore, because you do not care about money any more, as long as you bring the whole show down. What we are seeing now is basically the financial destruction of Australia, as you tear it down, as you bring it to its knees. It has all become so pathetic, so ridiculous. It goes on and on and on from one fiasco after another fiasco in an eternal rotating circus of fiascos and in the centre of that fiasco is the emanating light of Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan and Senator Trish Crossin.

*Clean Energy Finance Corporation Bill 2012:

The bill: establishes the Clean Energy Finance Corporation as a body corporate; establishes the Clean Energy Finance Corporation Special Account and appropriates funds to that account; establishes the board of the corporation responsible for decision making and managing the corporation’s investments; requires responsible ministers to issue an investment mandate to the board about the performance of its functions; requires the board to formulate and publish policies relating to the investment strategy for the corporation, benchmarks and standards for assessing the performance of the corporation and risk management strategy; provides for the corporation to share information with certain organisations; and provides for a review of the operation of the Act and other related matters to be undertaken as soon as practicable after 1 July 2016.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:11 am
Speaking of communications glitches, I just had to re-boot my modem…

I was a bit surprised my birthday link for Sinc didn’t attract a single comment- with it’s joie de vivre and snurgical clergy, I thought it was a shoe-in for controversy. Never heard of the director before but he clearly has a sense of humour and likes pretty girls… Probably missed in the ruck, so worth a repost.

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 12:12 am
Gab, if you had delayed posting that last one but 1 minute, it would have been 12:12, 12/12/12.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:14 am
Ah, but Cold Hands scored.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:14 am
Gold! Gold! Gold for Australia!

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 12:15 am
Frosty digits ought to buy a lottery ticket today.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:15 am
I was a bit surprised my birthday link for Sinc didn’t attract a single comment

A bit like Cl’s ping-pong baby link that we all ignore.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:16 am
CL posted a ping-pong baby link? Really? Guess I missed that one.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:20 am
Don’t know how you could have missed it, Spot. He posted it a number of times. Sad really.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:22 am
Frosty digits ought to buy a lottery ticket today.

Ah but wouldn’t I come 12th?

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 12:22 am
You might be first, CH. Of course, I would then expect a commission.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:23 am
Baaaaath saaaaalts.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:24 am
Cold Hands, have you been following developments in this? Curing leukemia with AIDS.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:29 am
An eight year-old trumpet prodigy performs with grown up orchestra. (Although I believe he’s now twelve years-old).

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:32 am
Kid walking his dog stops to play in a puddle.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:42 am
Well cold hands that as the most blatant bit of T&A I’ve ever seen on YouTube.

brc

12 Dec 12 at 12:48 am
Kid walking his dog stops to play in a puddle.

Awwww. “Every boy should have two things: a dog, and a mother willing to let him have one”

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:57 am
Wog Benny Hill with a bicycle. Soundtrack sounded like a Billy Ray Cyrus spaghetti western theme. Pretty much what you would expect from a country with Silvio Berlusconi as a former PM. Bunga bunga on.

H B Bear

12 Dec 12 at 1:01 am
Curing leukemia with AIDS.

Not my field of expertise but looks promising. The trick would lie in choosing which cell antigen to target. The side effect of a permanent low grade immunosuppression would be no worse than that of post-splenectomy patients by the sound of it. The economics would work for an HMO but I’m surprised that Big Pharma is interested giving that each treatment has to be individualised for a single patient.

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 1:04 am
“Every boy should have two things: a dog, and a mother willing to let him have one”

Not to mention a mum happy to shoot video while he plays in a puddle. And now to bed!

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 1:09 am
Ping pong baby was the most entertaining-for-others link posted on a thread forum in the history of the Australian blogosphere.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:41 am
Of course it was, CL.

/backs away slowly

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 1:46 am
Cold hands
Well done for the comment on 12/12/12 at 12.12 such an Auspicious occasion.

kelly liddle

12 Dec 12 at 1:47 am
Tanya Plibersek – ordered by party leader John McTernan to imitate Barack Obama – wants answers, explanations and apologies for the past:

Health Minister Tanya Plibersek backed Ms Freedman’s call for Mr Abbott to clarify his views on abortion and RU486.

“When he was health minister he was very opposed to it… he sought to protect ministerial veto,” she told ABC TV.

“He said abortion was the ‘easy way out’ ”

“If he has changed his mind on any of those things he should be clear about that…”

“If Tony Abbott wants to be prime minister he should be able to say one way or the other if he believes that or not,” Ms Plibersek said.

I wonder if she can think of anyone else who could be unfairly asked questions about the past – specifically in relation to a dangerous drug.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:52 am
More slushy AWU business, this one is current.

Harold

12 Dec 12 at 1:58 am
THE Australian Workers Union is again under pressure after the emergence of a current slush fund used to bankroll ALP factional dogfights including elections within the disgraced Health Services Union.

AWU Victorian secretary Cesar Melhem reluctantly went public yesterday to confirm that a non-profit company he runs, Industry 2020, had raised about $500,000 since 2008 to support the political activities of his Right faction sub-group within the ALP.

Notable among those activities was a ”significant” outlay of funds on the bitter HSU election in 2009. As workplace relations minister in August 2008, Prime Minister Julia Gillard was a guest speaker at the inaugural fund-raising lunch for the Industry 2020 fund at Flemington racecourse, which generated about $250,000 with nearly half that profit.

Wow. She just loves those secret slush funds.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 2:07 am
Potemkin’s Village

One wonders why ALP men tolerate the sexism… here

Grigory Potemkin

12 Dec 12 at 4:48 am
Unions go on a violent rampage in Michigan after State Democrat threatens ‘there will be blood’ if an anti Union bill is passed. The tolerant Left – it just loves diversity and provides respect.

John Comnenus

12 Dec 12 at 5:13 am
Noooooooooooooo.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 6:37 am
They’re a thing in New York.

cough*JC*cough

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 6:38 am
Unions go on a violent rampage in Michigan after State Democrat threatens ‘there will be blood’ if an anti Union bill is passed. The tolerant Left – it just loves diversity and provides respect.

Anyone remember Bill Kelty’s rant just before the 1996 election that there would be blood in the streets if Howard got elected?

The definition for hyperbole in the Macqaurie Dictionary should be updated to include “Left wing rant”

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 7:19 am
Need a good laugh?

Check out

I Need Feminism Because

http://imgur.com/a/RrNmV

Hilarious!

James X Leftie

12 Dec 12 at 7:21 am
Sorry for two posts.. some nice comebacks:

James X Leftie

12 Dec 12 at 7:24 am
I read that Gillard has entertained 25 female bloggers in a bid to harness their readers to the chuggernaut of Labor’s coming election campaign. Nothing sexist about that, apparently. And nothing sexist about the approach to be taken, a series of slimes aimed at Abbott, as exemplified by Tanya’s latest.
But unless they’re going to reach those who read things like Albrechtsen’s latest broadside about the sullenly leftist ABC culture, or Miranda Devine’s audience, these so called mummy bloggers are really only going to be preaching to the already converted.
The next campaign will be the dirtiest in a long time, because that’s all Labor has left in the locker, and the guiding spirit, the Mr Machismo, is all about wafting shallow impressions into semi- interested voting minds via the stenographers of the MEAA.
Polls register whether their memes are taking root, then changes in polling become news in what is actually a self sustaining closed loop feedback mechanism.

Blogstrop

12 Dec 12 at 7:30 am
Quite so, blog strop.
Also, if they are using up the RU486 thing now, there will be nothing left come the election campaign.

Entropy

12 Dec 12 at 7:44 am
My contribution would have been:

I need feminism because…….If I continue to act like a wimpy beta male my girlfriend will still give me BJ’s.

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 7:51 am
Unions go on a violent rampage in Michigan after State Democrat threatens ‘there will be blood’ if an anti Union bill is passed.

Insty links on that, w/
video of Steve Crowder (@scrowder) getting slugged here

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 7:51 am
sdog – I did see your post yesterday. Thank you. I think I’ve even seen the whole movie.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 8:22 am
Unions go on a violent rampage in Michigan after State Democrat threatens ‘there will be blood’ if an anti Union bill is passed.

As the vast majority of the members of the press corps, we are seeing the “nothing to see here” anti-journalism prevail in the face of such an offensive threat of violence.

Token

12 Dec 12 at 8:25 am
Anyone remember Bill Kelty’s rant just before the 1996 election that there would be blood in the streets if Howard got elected?

He got it in the foyet of parliament house.

Of course the union card carrying Stenographers moved on and tried to flush that event down the memory hole.

Token

12 Dec 12 at 8:29 am
Spot, one of my fb friends is in Michigan and she was there. She got out of the tent before it came down – another vid here.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 8:36 am
Which one, Sinc?

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 8:39 am
Hey Gab (12.42) I used to like playing in puddles (until my wife made me stop).

Rafe

12 Dec 12 at 8:39 am
It’s just crazy stuff, Nilk. This is the Lightworker’s America. These are his people.

Appalling.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 8:41 am
Young lady on the bicycle.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 8:49 am
Tanya Plibersek – ordered by party leader John McTernan to imitate Barack Obama

What do you think the “Tupperwear Party” with the luvvie bloggers was all about?

In Piers Ackermans usual fashion, he has chosen a Shakespearean name for Lady McBeth’s get together:

Their message, they are convinced, is for so-called “mummy” bloggers and the luvvies who inhabit the anti-social media networks.

That’s why Gillard captured a coven of female bloggers at Kirribilli House Monday night, hoping to woo them and their supporters with her misandrist message.

SCENE I. Kiribilli House. In the middle, a boiling cauldron

Token

12 Dec 12 at 8:49 am
It’s just crazy stuff, Nilk. This is the Lightworker’s America. These are his people.

Appalling.

That the way the Illanois Teachers were behaving in Chicago during the DNC convention?

Why is anyone suprised?

Token

12 Dec 12 at 8:50 am
I Need Feminism Because…

The rotund Asian girl…Bill Murray…WTF?

“I need feminism because (althought I am a man) my vagina makes me a 2nd class citizen…”

Uh…okay?

.

12 Dec 12 at 8:52 am
Wish I could take credit for that one, Sinc, but it was Cold Hands’ link.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 8:55 am
Albrechtsen’s piece is spot on (shouldn’t think you’d mind this phraseology sdog).

Many of us here have been lefties in the past and/or have mixed with these people. We know that they really do not think that there is any alternative way of seeing the world; they just do not see it. If you do not think exactly as they do (their version of: sexism! racism! multiculturalism! equity!) then you are uncivilised and redneck.

Yummy mummies are just a symptom of a wider problem. They go with the zeitgeist of the inner-city latte left. The concepts of corruption, waste and irresponsibility in government are never explored because the zeitgeist (MSM) says they are not happening. Nor is there EVER any concern for wealth creation, just with government distribution of largesse that springs unbidden from the money tree. Blogstrop @ 7.30 nails it.

Just watch their rivers of mud flow.

Coalition women politicians need to raise their profile and counter this nonsense publicly.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 8:59 am
Albrechtsen’s piece is spot on (shouldn’t think you’d mind this phraseology sdog).

Many of us here have been lefties in the past and/or have mixed with these people. We know that they really do not think that there is any alternative way of seeing the world; they just do not see it. If you do not think exactly as they do (their version of: sexism! racism! multiculturalism! equity!) then you are uncivilised and redneck.

Yummy mummies are just a symptom of a wider problem. They go with the zeitgeist of the inner-city latte left. The concepts of corruption, waste and irresponsibility in government are never explored because the zeitgeist (MSM) says they are not happening. Nor is there EVER any concern for wealth creation, just with government distribution of largesse that springs unbidden from the money tree. Blogstrop @ 7.30 nails it.

Just watch their rivers of mud flow.

Coalition women politicians need to raise their profile and counter this nonsense publicly.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 9:00 am
More slushy AWU business, this one is current.

This is another bit of evidence that proves it is time for total transparency and full regulation on all activities of unions.

Seems Gillard is rather careless and cluess. Are these the traits we really want in a PM?

Fairfax does not suggest Ms Gillard knew how the money raised at the event would be spent.

…
He said he did not believe Mr Howes, Ms Gillard or Mr Shorten were aware of how the funds raised by Industry 2020 would be spent.

Can you imagine if a Tony Abbott helped a charity raise money and then when a scandal came out he said:

“I attended and they used my image to raise funds, but ultimately I can’t be held responsible for how the money was spent”?

Token

12 Dec 12 at 9:01 am
Sorry – my bad.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 9:09 am
I need feminism because…….shut up

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 9:15 am
Bolta is taking his annual break. Since he has linked to the Cat from time to time, you might get a bit of an influx of lost souls. Some sincere, but likely some trolls.

Just a heads up.

Toiling Mass

12 Dec 12 at 9:21 am
Since this McKinsey report is a global report, I thought the Cat readers and proprietors might find it interesting.

http://mckinseyonsociety.com/downloads/reports/Education/Education-to-Employment_FINAL.pdf

Looks to me like a Global vocational is all anyone gets policy that will in turn be tied to an Industrial Policy for politically connected cronies. I love the part about industry collaboration.

Paging Adam Smith.

Robin

12 Dec 12 at 9:28 am
Hey Helen Armstrong

Just got a box of books from Peter and Shelia Forrest in Darwin.

A good one for your xmas stocking might be “Cowboy Heaven”. The story of the Townsend family who came over from Florida in the early 60′s and bought what was the Stapleton and is now Welltree, La Belle and Litchfield national park.

They’ve got some great stuff on their website.

Link

Pickles

12 Dec 12 at 10:05 am
From Spot’s link, the galloping feminisation of the Western male:

meggings,’ (tights) as we’re calling them nowadays, are “all the rage in sartorial circles” and “taking Manhattan by storm”

Feminists won’t rest until they have turned men into creatures that most women despise. Meanwhile, feminism demonstrates why it’s little more than a source of humour for those who aren’t mentally retarded like the left. My fave from James X’s link:

I need feminism because my dad met my mom when he kissed in the dark without her consent and somehow they both find that funny and romantic.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 10:08 am
Gold Coast company Box Wraps will today unveil a range of stickers specifically designed to cover the olive green plain packaging that cigarettes must by law carry…
Marketed under the slogan “It’s your box, it’s your choice”…
General Manager Anthony De Rozario said…”We are just a sticker company that is no different from a cigarette case”

Full story

An up-yours to Greasy-Hair for stomping on IP and freedom of speech. (Good) A commercial product tailored for a new need. (Even better). So the reaction from the gubbermint?

“The Department of Health and Ageing will be immediately investigating this product to evaluate its status,” a Health Department spokesman said.

Not content with the threat of investigating, Lisa Wilkinson upped the threat of an authoritarian backlash when she ‘interviewed’ Mr De Rozario on Today this morning.
“Do you have a good lawyer?” she asked. When he laughed off the need, she repeated “I think you’re going to need a good lawyer”

tylos

12 Dec 12 at 10:08 am
“he kissed her“

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 10:10 am
Lisa Wilkinson upped the threat of an authoritarian backlash

She wants to be a Greens Senator and Federal Cabinet member. She reeks of authoritarianism.

What an awful, awful woman.

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:13 am
Tom

‘Don’t tell anyone, no one will believe you. When I finally did tell, he was right. No one believed me. Because it was Bill Murray…’

So…is rotund Asian girl accusing Bill Murray of anything? Pisstake?

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:19 am
And so another Gillard government circus act packs up the tent:

THE sexual harassment case against former federal parliamentary speaker Peter Slipper has been dismissed by a Federal Court judge.

In a judgment handed down today, Justice Steven Rares said the case brought by Mr Slipper’s former staffer James Ashby was launched for a political purpose.

Justice Rares found Mr Ashby acted in combination with fellow staffer Karen Doane and former federal Coalition minister Mal Brough to “advance the interests of the LNP and Mr Brough”.

“I have reached the firm conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper and not to vindicate any legal claim he may have for which the right to bring proceedings exists.”

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 11:00 am
“The Department of Health and Ageing will be immediately investigating this product to evaluate its status,” a Health Department spokesman said.

Not content with the threat of investigating, Lisa Wilkinson upped the threat of an authoritarian backlash when she ‘interviewed’ Mr De Rozario on Today this morning.
“Do you have a good lawyer?” she asked. When he laughed off the need, she repeated “I think you’re going to need a good lawyer.”

These people are genuine – literal – fascists.

If we had a real Liberal Party led by somebody with guts, this law would be slated for abolition once the Gillardian coven of lesbians is voted out of office.

Unfortunately, I recall Tony Abbott being asked about whether the Opposition would support plain packaging and his answer was pure Jim Trott from the Vicar of Dibley: “No, no, no, no. Yes.”

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 11:04 am
Of course, it’s just a coincidence that the number of people permanently fleeing the country has increased under Labor and trended upwards after the faceless men installed the Lying Slapper as PM in 2010:

The number of people leaving permanently increased by 18 per cent in the five years to 2010, the latest snapshot of social trends by the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows.

But the number who tick the permanent departure box on their passenger cards is higher than the number who actually stay away.

”Each year, many Australians plan to leave the country permanently but most return to Australia within a year of their departure,” the bureau reported. In 2010 of the 84,000 Australian residents who said they were departing permanently, only 17,000 (20 per cent) spent 12 months or more overseas.

Fewer people left for good in 2005, 2008 and 2009 but more left in 2010. About 75 people in every 100,000 who left in 2010 did not return.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 11:17 am
Bunyip has some of the questions put to Gillard in yesterday’s brown-nosing Female Voice of the Year interview by the SMH’s Jacqueline Maley:

A QUALITY journalist has a beleaguered, scandal-beset Prime Minister all to herself in a closed room, so what questions does she put?

Do you get a sense when you leave Canberra and the parliamentary sphere of that support and admiration from women around Australia ….

You had been subjected to a lot of sexist abuse for at least a year and a half ….

Are you able to compartmentalise [criticism] or does any of it get to you?

Your toughness and steeliness is often noted. Is that something that you think is innate in your personality…

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 11:20 am
The Musselman is back baby. BACK!

H B Bear

12 Dec 12 at 11:27 am
Now mussels on a pizza…

Derp

12 Dec 12 at 11:34 am
In a judgment handed down today, Justice Steven Rares said the case brought by Mr Slipper’s former staffer James Ashby was launched for a political purpose.

So what? does that invalidate the particulars of the pleadings?

What is Rares background?

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:37 am
Fatty Roxon: Opposition has “questions to answer” about Slipper case.

A spokesman for Attorney-General Nicola Roxon told AAP the government welcomed the judge’s decision, which “clearly” found Mr Ashby “abused the process of the court”.

“This shows how dangerously wrong and misleading (shadow attorney-general) Senator (George) Brandis can be in prejudging court matters,” the spokesman said.

“The coalition will have some serious questions to answer about their own conduct.”

The Australian provides an amusing reminder:

The commonwealth negotiated a $50,000 settlement with Mr Ashby after he included the government in his action against Mr Slipper.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 11:39 am
I seem to remember Roxon sticking her nose in during proceedings. She has some questions to answer on the role of the AG interfering with judicial system.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:43 am
Not content with the threat of investigating, Lisa Wilkinson upped the threat of an authoritarian backlash when she ‘interviewed’ Mr De Rozario on Today this morning.
“Do you have a good lawyer?” she asked. When he laughed off the need, she repeated “I think you’re going to need a good lawyer”

Fuck you to hell, you Roxonian harpy.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 11:44 am
The judge’s findings makes it seem like mal Brough is in a heap of trouble, that he colluded in a “politial” attack against peter Slipper.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 11:48 am
What is Rares background?

He’s the man who bungled the Optus TV copyright case, being humiliated on appeal by the full bench of the Federal Court.

Kangaroo Court of Australia has an entry for him – which includes a prediction (made in April) that this would happen.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 11:48 am
For people who want an artistic and long-lasting alternative for their cigarettes, purchase one of the many old tobacco tins available online.

They’re lovely old things:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j-LDlQij3vU/TvkQRUOyD1I/AAAAAAAADXY/7sW0PmVuLkY/s320/5+Tobacco+Tins.+a.jpg

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 12:02 pm
Old tobacco tins – Roxon will be investigating those too. And then they’ll be banned.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 12:03 pm
More classic baccy tins:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gWnhZANzKSw/T5VH-7t-_rI/AAAAAAAADss/sK7FPxhzhrs/s1600/VERTICAL+POCKET+TOBACCO+TINS.jpg

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 12:05 pm
You could purchase a Brown Study Tobacco Tin to hold your cigarettes:

http://thechapmagazine.co.uk/shop/smoking/

John Mc

12 Dec 12 at 12:08 pm
Gotta love the market…

Dude selling cigarette boxes – or are they?

http://www.tankmagazine.com/tankbooks/

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 12:11 pm
One of the Cat women (Nilk?) predicted around six months ago that the fascist state’s decision to prevent tobacco companies from branding their products in Australia would create an industry producing stylish cigarette cases while the industry awaits the outcome of the case before the World Trade Organisation.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
Where I spend my days the yummy mummy set are most interested in maki sure their husbands continue to bring home the bacon to keep them in lattes, mini SUVs and double-wide prams. Many have FIFO working husbands. It would have to be a very persuasive blog post to make up for a mine closure and a husband stinking up the house with nothing to do.

Although the ones I do know in inner Sydney are more interested in organic soy milk and kumbayah circles instead of classrooms for their kids, so maybe that is the demographic they’re going for.

I seriously doubt whether a mummy blog could swing things. Most people are in tune with the political leanings of a writer anyway. I stopped reading a particular magazine because the editor couldn’t stop himself writing abbotabbotabbot rants in the editorial and copy. It wasn’t remotely politically related. So for any non political publishing, turning on the political lecturing can backfire, particularly when you know more than half the country already leans the opposite way.

brc

12 Dec 12 at 12:15 pm
Spot on C.L. Shane Dowling (kangaroocourtof australia.com) provided what has proven to be a very accurate guide to the form not only of the two runners,their jockeys and trainers,but more importantly to that of the Chief Steward.Even if the decision is overturned on Appeal the further proceedings will probably stretch way into 2013,perhaps up until after the Election.

Lew

12 Dec 12 at 12:19 pm
Bravo, Monsieur Depardieu!

I particularly like this bit:

The left-leaning daily Liberation called Depardieu a “drunken, obese petit-bourgeois reactionary”.

I’m sure he’ll take it as a compliment.

papachango

12 Dec 12 at 12:26 pm
The civil left:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&list=SP85933DBA7E52B5B6

twostix

12 Dec 12 at 12:27 pm
The left-leaning daily Liberation called Depardieu a “drunken, obese petit-bourgeois reactionary”.

That’s going straight to his pool room.

In Belgium.

lol

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 12:29 pm
Wow. That Mark Dreyfus is a sack of crap.

“Abbot must come clean…”

The case got thrown out on the basis that the judge reckons you must pass some sort of character test to bring an action in court.

What a load of crap.

Lenore sez:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/peter-slipper-and-the-high-price-of-rushed-judgment-20121212-2b8rh.html

Surely now it’s time to take stock of how politics is being conducted.

No honey. We’re gonna get a royal commission into the unions, industry super funds and the ALP.

And now the federal court has found the whole thing was an abuse of process, that James Ashby’s sexual harassment case was brought ”for the predominant purpose of causing political damage to Mr Slipper”.

Where in the law does it state that you must not want to trash someone’s reputation to bring a criminal or civil action against them?

.

12 Dec 12 at 12:31 pm
Speaking of cigarettes and facism, have any of you seen these covered by a curtain at your local supermarket? An interesting market reaction to the nanny state.

dover_beach

12 Dec 12 at 12:31 pm
GOOD

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/ashby-intends-to-appeal-slipper-ruling/story-fn3dxiwe-1226535134109

Ashby intends to appeal Slipper ruling
From: AAP December 12, 2012 10:43AM

JAMES Ashby says he intends to appeal a Federal Court decision to dismiss his sexual harassment case against former speaker Peter Slipper.

Mr Ashby said no evidence had been heard in his substantive claim against Mr Slipper since he filed the claim eight months ago.

“There’s been a determined campaign to try and prevent the substantive allegations being heard and judged in open court that (has) put me at a maximum cost in pursuing justice,” he told reporters outside the court in Sydney.

“With my lawyers we will study the judgment in detail but at this stage we intend to appeal this regrettable decision.”

“This has been a very harrowing time for me, my family, my friends and supporters,” he said.

He did not take questions from reporters.

I don’t care if he wins or not. The public ought to see that Gillard and Roxon have (incompetent, uneducated) puppets in the courts and we need to throw the lot of them out.

.

12 Dec 12 at 12:34 pm
Where in the law does it state that you must not want to trash someone’s reputation to bring a criminal or civil action against them?

The judge found that the trashing of reputation was not a side-effect of the legal action, but the predominant purpose of bringing the legal action in the first place. There’s quite a difference.

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 12:34 pm
The zombies end their boycott against Alan Jones after declaring “victory”:

“Thanks to your efforts, that image of invincibility has been completely broken. You have forcefully demonstrated that Australia rejects his methods, and in no way can he be seen as the voice of the majority. He has his listeners, but politicians now understand that Jones does not speak to swing voters; rather, he preaches to the converted, who already share his particular political beliefs. He certainly cannot be called the voice of big business anymore, after over 85 advertisers abandoned his show, including most of Australia’s leading brands and many international brands as well. While we will never know for sure, the timing of ACMA’s decision against Jones may have resulted from seeing that they had nothing to fear from him.”

Blair notes the campaign was so devastatingly successful that Jones has increased his lead in the Sydney radio ratings. With syndication, AJ has by far the biggest radio audience in Australia.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 12:34 pm
The judge found that the trashing of reputation was not a side-effect of the legal action, but the predominant purpose of bringing the legal action in the first place. There’s quite a difference.

So fucking what!? Where in the law is this a valid reason not to accept an action?

.

12 Dec 12 at 12:36 pm
So fucking what!? Where in the law is this a valid reason not to accept an action?

Its not. But that doesn’t mean its not a (legal) abuse of process. How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 12:40 pm
How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

So the judge ruled the allegations were false, did he?

.

12 Dec 12 at 12:42 pm
I wonder if it had been a female instead of j. Ashby if there’d be a different result.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 12:48 pm
e-cigarettes were banned by nanny Roxon, you’re onto them 3 years too late I’m afraid.

An incredibly dishonest decision that one. It’s certain to cost lives in the name of public health.

‘Public Health’ lobbyists are pathological.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 12:55 pm
effectively banned*

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 12:55 pm
How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

Mr Ashby said no evidence had been heard in his substantive claim against Mr Slipper since he filed the claim eight months ago.

Really chris? You might want to not side with the spin doctors on this one.

.

12 Dec 12 at 12:56 pm
I’m having a party at that “I need feminism because…” link.

Pure gold.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 12:57 pm
Its not. But that doesn’t mean its not a (legal) abuse of process. How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

It’s criminal defamation to do so.

So when will the police be investigating and Slipper suing?

Oh that’s right, that would be never – as we all know what the outcome would be.

twostix

12 Dec 12 at 12:57 pm
How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

So those texts which Slipper acknowledges came from his phone were not real?

Token

12 Dec 12 at 12:59 pm
I like the new gravatar Gab.

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 1:07 pm
Most people are in tune with the political leanings of a writer anyway.

brc, I think it’s a little more subtle than this. With women’s blogs and opinion columnists, it’s more the creation of a particular mindset of victimisation of women, and it is insidious. It is placed squarely with the moral high ground of care and concern for families, and for giving everyone a fair go. Thus – a zeitgeist, an ambience, a free-floating set of ‘feelings’ about how the world should be. And horribly, it is defined as a world that belongs, automatically, to Labor. It allows Gillard to get away with so much. These blogs are agenda-setting. They put up a no-contest case for their world view.

That is why it is so important to have female writers and commentators who put the opposite case, but not just from what is obviously political commentary. The ‘new’ perspective should include fashion, childcare, being woman, having a career, making choices, standing up for your man, enjoying men as , being proud to be absent from government support – a whole world of differing perspectives for ordinary women. The left currently ‘owns’ this whole field.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 1:08 pm
So the judge ruled the allegations were false, did he?

No he didn’t. In fact he acknowledged they were legitimately made.

“I have reached the firm conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper and not to vindicate any legal claim he may have for which the right to bring proceedings exists.”

He may have?

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:12 pm
oops. Enjoying men as ?

As men of course!

And aren’t they wonderful that way? You bet.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 1:12 pm
C.L.,

So I’m right? The judge erred in law?

An ALP appointee?

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:14 pm
He’s the man who bungled the Optus TV copyright case, being humiliated on appeal by the full bench of the Federal Court.

Kangaroo Court of Australia has an entry for him – which includes a prediction (made in April) that this would happen.

Given the separation of powers, how does one go about sacking a corrupt or incompetent judge?

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 1:15 pm
. – the judge was appointed in 2006. We don’t know that he erred in law, that is for the appeal court to decide. I do think it is a big call though.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 1:16 pm
Californian schools borrow using a sort of a balloon payment plan, no payments for 20 years then bang you pay the amount plus tons of interest. They are know as CABs.

Perhaps the best example of the CAB issue is suburban San Diego’s Poway Unified School District, which borrowed a little more than $100 million. But “debt service will be almost $1 billion,” Lockyer says. “So, over nine times amount of the borrowing. There are worse ones, but that’s pretty bad.”

Surely you’d be mad to lend on that basis to the government of California, it’ll be broke in 20 years time.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:17 pm
e-cigarettes were banned by nanny Roxon,…

Unbelievable.

dover_beach

12 Dec 12 at 1:18 pm
I have just finished all of our Christmas cards.

Except three that HIA must absolutely write himself. Now for the queue in the Post Office.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 1:22 pm
Breaking: Roxon to investigate Liberal Party.

Yes, you read that right.

Government mulls Liberal Party probe on Peter Slipper affair.

THE Government is considering a public inquiry into the Liberal Party’s role in bringing down former Speaker Peter Slipper through legal action which was thrown out of court.

The inquiry would be a high profile act of revenge for the Opposition’s strategy of attempting to bring down the Government by highlighting allegations of corruption against Mr Slipper and former Labor MP Craig Thomson.

These are very frightening times.

These people – running the government of the country – are criminals.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:22 pm
How would you feel if false allegations of sexual assault or rape were made against you merely to injure your reputation and/or get you sacked?

I would be angry. But then I would be confident of my case, and confident of my ability to win, get awarded costs, and then sue for defamation. Or whatever was the best strategy.

Mal Brough is safe as houses and will be in the next coalition cabinet.

brc

12 Dec 12 at 1:27 pm
Ashby decision is unique.

Normally if someone cannot make a case it is because they haven’t pleaded it properly and it is thrown out after repeated grants of leave to amend.

Here the judge has accepted a lawful case has been pled, and that he “may have a case”, but the ulterioir motive to the claim interferes with or brings justice into disrepute, so he cannot test his case in Court.

The motive of the complainant is now on trial.

I think an appellate court will smash this on basis of leading to their being 2 trials in every case of this type – 1 questioning the motives before anyone even gets to the actual case.

In any event the real loser is the Brough and Roxon circus. Neither has come out well at all.

pete m

12 Dec 12 at 1:28 pm
Given the separation of powers, how does one go about sacking a corrupt or incompetent judge?

Book them for speeding, and see if they’ll try and finger a dead american?

brc

12 Dec 12 at 1:28 pm
labor strategy is very simple: tie up Liberals with distractions.

Already two today:

Abbott on the RU486 drug debate in 2006 being brought into 2013 year as his “war on women”.

Investigating the Liberal Party over Peter Slipper’s disgusting texts. Note how gillard stands firm in supporting the misogynist. (I wonder how Mrs Slipper feels about here husband’s texts to a male?)

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:30 pm
THE sexual harassment case against former federal parliamentary speaker Peter Slipper has been dismissed by a Federal Court judge.

Reality bites the poor, deluded wingnuts yet again. Another witch hunt brings up nothing but lies and subterfuge by the Coalition.

I wonder if he’s any chance to regain that Speakership. (Kidding! )

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:32 pm
Given the separation of powers, how does one go about sacking a corrupt or incompetent judge?

In NSW we have some sort of committee of judges or ex judges that look at complaints and when its bad enough ask the parliament to vote to sack them.

It rarely, rarely happens, they are pretty forgiving of their own.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:34 pm
[Anger pills!! Sinc]

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:34 pm
Don’t wear stupid scarfs while driving open-topped vehicles.

Two words: Isadora Duncan.

Right?

Wrong:

The former owner of a New South Wales go-kart business has been ordered to pay $50,000 over an incident where a woman choked to death when her religious headscarf became tangled.

The 26-year-old Sydney woman died in April 2010 when her Islamic head dress became caught in the rear axle of the go-kart at Bobs Farm, near Port Stephens north of Newcastle.

An investigation by the WorkCover Authority of NSW found the 63-year-old former owner of Port Stephens Go Karts had failed to ensure that proper checks were done on people wearing loose clothing.

The investigation also found that the then owner failed to properly guard the moving parts of the go-karts to prevent clothing from getting caught.

The man was charged with a breach of the Occupational Health and Safety Act.

He pleaded guilty and the Industrial Court of NSW fined him $32,000 and ordered him to pay $18,000 in costs.

Go-kart operator fined over headscarf death.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:35 pm
Monty predicted Slipper’s inevitable return to the Speaker’s chair.

LOL.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:36 pm
monty agrees that cases before the courts should bypass due process and let the judge decide beforehand if the motive of the plaintiff merits a hearing rather than hearing the actual facts of the case. How, it would sure cut down on caseload.

I wonder how Ashby spent the $50,000 paid to him by Roxon?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:37 pm
Of course I’m bloody angry, Sinc.

monty is gloating that the stupid bloody judge made a ruling based on the motivation of Ashby, not the facts of the case, which haven’t been heard.

chris was trying to say that you could validly dismiss any action if the plaintiff or prosecution also wanted to trash your reputation.

What a steaming load.

Case or act and section or paragraph and line please.

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:39 pm
It’s fascinating to me that Kangaroo Court predicted back in April that the judge would prevent Ashby presenting evidence – which he admits is substantive.

The Roo was 100 percent right.

How the hell did he know?

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:39 pm
Ashby has been ordered to pay Slippery Pete’s legals. Lucky he has a sly 50 grand lying around.

Anybody else think this stinks?

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:40 pm
There is such a thing as a vexatious litigant. Judges have the power to decide that a litigant is not worth taking seriously.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:40 pm
m0nty you gutless pathetic imbecile.
Where have you been for the past few days?
It’s funny how we have not heard a peep from you or either of the Steves for several days.
In fact, I was beginning to think that Sinc had given the regular readers of this blog an early Christmas present by quietly banning the three of you until the new year, but unfortunately not it appears.
I guess that we can now expect to see the other 2 show up shortly gloating about how the AG’s inappropriate meddling in a case before the courts has seen the case thrown out before the offended party even gets to give evidence.
Why did you not have the balls to show up and take your medicine regarding the Lying Slapper’s latest triumph in Newspoll?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

12 Dec 12 at 1:41 pm
One wonders if the Ashby evidence will start appearing on the outlets published by Pickering, or Smith, or Mr Kangaroo.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:42 pm
OIC, Slipper never actually sent those texts. Riiiight.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:42 pm
There is such a thing as a vexatious litigant. Judges have the power to decide that a litigant is not worth taking seriously.

You actually don’t understand what this means. Nor was he declared a vexatious litigant.

Please cite the legal authority for the determination. GO!!!

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:43 pm
monty

What do you think of Roxon dropping $50k on Ashby?

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:44 pm
The former owner of a New South Wales go-kart business has been ordered to pay $50,000 over an incident where a woman choked to death when her religious headscarf became tangled.

So he should have of told her to remove her head dress or he would refuse her service? And so discriminated against her by refusing her service because of her religious dress opening himself up to the wonderful area of racial and religious discrimination law?

This is perverse.

twostix

12 Dec 12 at 1:44 pm
Vexatious litigant is a bit different m0nty.

Usually you get a hearing and the Judge can decide there’s no case. If you keep running the same case again and again with no prospect a Judge may have you considered a vex lit but its pretty rare and you have to run the same bogus case lots of times.

It certainly isn’t the case here.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:44 pm
m0nty you gutless pathetic imbecile.
Where have you been for the past few days?

Well he predicted further inevitable poll grief for Abbott.

LOL.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:44 pm
Nicola Roxon has admitted that Ashby was right.

$50,000 worth of right.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
1. Hopefully he was insured.

2. Hopefully other religious people will take their own OH&S more seriously.

3. Hopefully now there is a defence to such “discrimination”.

4. Hopefully her family can grieve and eventually move on.

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
HC:

In fact, I was beginning to think that Sinc had given the regular readers of this blog an early Christmas present by quietly banning the three of you until the new year, but unfortunately not it appears.

I was thinking the same thing..

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
Ashby was not declared a vexatious litigant, yes, but my point was that a judge has the power to throw a case out based on the motives of the appellant.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
. – so what? What do you care? Ashby will appeal and it’ll all get aired again. In the meantime Roxon has to explain why the Commonwealth paid Ashby $50,000. This is a no-lose proposition. It would have been far better for the government and Slipper that the court order Slipper to pay Ashby $1 and apologise.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 1:47 pm
Usually you get a hearing and the Judge can decide there’s no case. If you keep running the same case again and again with no prospect a Judge may have you considered a vex lit but its pretty rare and you have to run the same bogus case lots of times.

It certainly isn’t the case here.

Precisely, as no evidence has even been submitted to the court in the usual manner.

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:47 pm
What do you think of Roxon dropping $50k on Ashby?

Seems to be money well spent. As DaveF says, it’s Slipper’s now.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:50 pm
but my point was that a judge has the power to throw a case out based on the motives of the appellant

Specify the act or common law judgment. Entirely ridiculous. If a QC/crown prosecutor wanted to really get a guy on a double murder charge, as he wanted to run for Parliament later on, would the judge be right to let the guy free, regardless of evidence that was never heard?

Completely bloody absurd.

Appellant? He is the plaintiff.

Sinclair. You are indeed playing the long game. It will be a teaching moment for lefties. They will get mugged by reality.

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
My firm had to serve vex lit docs on this bloke once. It was about 6 inches thick with examples of his various litigation.

It was tough, we couldn’t get him at home, he didn’t work…no place for a good service.

Got him on the Court House steps, literally.

(he had a vendetta against a stock broking firm from memory, cost them a fortune in lawyers)

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
Ashby will appeal and it’ll all get aired again.

I doubt the evidence Ashby wants to air will ever see the light of day in a court room. He’ll have to risk defamation instead.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
Oh dear, Dot is going all Dennis Dotto again. Save us from wingnut bush lawyers.

I’m sure this PhD of your will be a doozy, Dot. You are spending so much time on it, evidently.

m0nty

12 Dec 12 at 1:53 pm
He’ll have to risk defamation instead.

A!+ idiotic statement.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:53 pm
chris was trying to say that you could validly dismiss any action if the plaintiff or prosecution also wanted to trash your reputation.

…

Case or act and section or paragraph and line please.

Actually I said the judge found that the trashing of the reputation was the predominant reason for Ashby taking the legal action he did. Anyway from the judgement itself, an explanation of the legal principle of how the courts can handle abuse of process (its not a new thing):

4 The legal principles at the heart of Mr Slipper’s central allegation that the proceeding is an abuse of process are not in doubt. The Courts have an unlimited power over their own processes to prevent those processes being used for the purpose of injustice. That is why the categories of abuse of process are not closed: Jeffery & Katauskas Pty Ltd v SST Consulting Pty Ltd (2009) 239 CLR 75 at 93-94 [27]-[28] per French CJ, Gummow, Hayne and Crennan JJ. Proceedings that are seriously or unfairly burdensome, prejudicial or damaging, or productive of serious and unjustified trouble and harassment are examples of abuses of process. So too are proceedings where the Court’s process is employed for an ulterior or improper purpose, or in an improper way, or in a way that would bring the administration of justice into disrepute among right thinking people: 239 CLR at 93-94 [27]-[28]. In Williams v Spautz (1992) 174 CLR 509 at 529 Mason CJ, Dawson, Toohey and McHugh JJ held (applying what the English Court of Appeal had held in Metall & Rohstoff v Donaldson Inc [1990] 1 QB 391 at 469) that a party who alleged that a proceeding had been brought, or was being prosecuted, as an abuse of process had to show that the pre-dominant purpose of the other party in using the legal process “has been one other than that for which it was designed”. They held that the onus of satisfying the Court that there was an abuse of process lay on the party alleging it and that this onus was “a heavy one”. Their Honours cautioned that the power to grant a permanent stay in such cases could only be exercised in the most exceptional circumstances.

Anyway amused that you know better than climate scientists when it comes to climate change, better than medical scientists when it comes to fluoridation and better than a judge in the Federal Court of Australia when it comes to the law. Perhaps you should be appointed dictator of Australia since you’re so clever?

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 1:54 pm
Save us from wingnut bush lawyers.

Yes, save us from idiotic bush lawyers like the frenetic monty.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:54 pm
Reality bites the poor, deluded wingnuts yet again

54-46, you sartorially repugnant calorie vacuuming totalitarian pimp.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 1:55 pm
You really are talking out of your arse today monty.

Specify the legal authority the judge used.

Ph D?

You couldn’t pass ECO 101, you bald, fat, stupid prick.

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:55 pm
Nicola Roxon has admitted that Ashby was right.

$50,000 worth of right.

I hear it often claimed the businesses settle because its the cheaper alternative even when they know they are in the right (and essentially what Roxon said was that they were trying to minimise the total cost at the time).

Are you now claiming that when business settle with a payout say when an employee sues them for discrimination that they are in fact admitting guilt?

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 1:56 pm
Kargaroo Court link. No quotes as its pretty defamatory.

He got it dead right. I agree with CL its nothing short of amazing.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 1:56 pm
sartorially repugnant calorie vacuuming totalitarian pimp.

That’s up there with Carpe’s

a vuvuzela strapped to a mallard

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 1:58 pm
Anyway amused that you know better than climate scientists when it comes to climate change, better than medical scientists when it comes to fluoridation and better than a judge in the Federal Court of Australia when it comes to the law. Perhaps you should be appointed dictator of Australia since you’re so clever?

You’re gonna look like a tit when the dismissal gets revoked by a higher court.

PS

Why do you know better than economists about the economy?

.

12 Dec 12 at 1:58 pm
Are you now claiming that when business settle with a payout say when an employee sues them for discrimination that they are in fact admitting guilt?

I am very uncomforatble with the notion of settling and not admitting guilt. I understand the calculus behind those sorts of decisions, but it suggests to me that there is something very wrong going on.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 2:00 pm
People, people, people.

Don’t get upset with m0nty.

M0nty is an ALP shill. M0nty wants the ALP to have pure power – whatever it takes. Having nothing else in his life he has attached his personal value and state of mind to this ALP government as evidenced by his swinging moods over the last couple of years. From the highest highs to the worst tantrums always in line with ALP’s pyrrhic victories and many, many embarrassing failures.

Why get upset when he’s occasionally candid that he doesn’t give a shit about any particular principle?

twostix

12 Dec 12 at 2:02 pm
Good research Chris, however that is the precedents for the decision, not whether it was justified.

I really think the guy deserved a proper hearing.

Step back from the politics for a minute.

His complaint that creepy Slippery Pete was harrassing him certainly held water in my mind. Put yourself in his shoes. He’s a nice looking bloke and this creepy old bloke, his boss, is sending lewd texts to him.

Definitely worth a day in Court.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 2:02 pm
[Edited. Sinc]

Labor has spent five years stacking the institutions so that the left will continue to rule even after Labor is removed from government next year. I don’t think most of the Coalition truly understand what a shithole they will inherit.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 2:06 pm
Having nothing else in his life

true. as monty said he’s on four month holiday at the moment.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 2:06 pm
They held that the onus of satisfying the Court that there was an abuse of process lay on the party alleging it and that this onus was “a heavy one”.

However Slipper did so, in Ashby’s words, without any evidence being admitted to court.

Anyway amused that you know better than climate scientists when it comes to climate change, better than medical scientists when it comes to fluoridation and better than a judge in the Federal Court of Australia when it comes to the law.

This judge has a track record of being humiliated on appeal.

I don’t need to taste a shit pie to know it is made with shit.

.

12 Dec 12 at 2:10 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Can any sincerely spiritual person vote… here

Grigory Potemkin

12 Dec 12 at 2:11 pm
Labor has spent five years stacking the institutions so that the left will continue to rule even after Labor is removed from government next year. I don’t think most of the Coalition truly understand what a shithole they will inherit.

It is Canberra, mate. Of course the Coalition knows that many of the publicly funded institutions are stacked with leftists. Remember how Howard sacked 5 or 6 heads of all the major public sector departments when he was first elected in’96?

Andrew

12 Dec 12 at 2:12 pm
Breaking news.

Just heard a football player discussing the season.

“We’re just taking it one week at a time.”

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 2:13 pm
There is no comparison with being accused of rape or similar. These are criminal offences, and the decision to prosecute rests with the DPP or equivalent. This is a civil matter, funded by the person taking the action.

I agree that it is a bizarre decision, and if I had to bet, would be backing a successful appeal.

Going way back to Lizzie’s excellent post about the mummy-blogs, I dipped my toe into one of these a few years ago. You are spot-on about the zeitgeist. The consensus was almost 100% on entitlement of parents to money and perks just because they have reproduced, hysteria about environmental issues (‘toxins’ are everywhere, apparently), the need for more welfare expenditure, etc. But as has been pointed out, this means that Gillard is preaching to the converted, so I don’t think it’s a big deal.

johanna

12 Dec 12 at 2:14 pm
I think Sinc is right the judge is a tosser

Brian4Jesus

12 Dec 12 at 2:17 pm
Rares was actually a 2006 Howard government appointment, but came out of the NSW Labor system and the federal Libs rubber-stamped his elevation. Needless to say, leftwing lawyers just love him.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 2:21 pm
Primary vote in last poll of the year before the election, 1986 – 2012.

Not looking good, Jules.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 2:22 pm
Are you now claiming that when business settle with a payout say when an employee sues them for discrimination that they are in fact admitting guilt?

Government isn’t a business, bone head. Roxon had access to unlimited monies (unlike businesses) but she surrendered and gave Ashby 50 large anyway.

She admitted he was right.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 2:23 pm
Allowing Motorbikes to Filter makes sense

Woolfe

12 Dec 12 at 2:23 pm
Brian4Jesus – I have said no such thing.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 2:24 pm
Yeah, Roxon settled because the ALP were afraid of wasting taxpayers money.

I chose not to attend the Victoria’s Secret Xmas Party because it clashed with a rerun of Midsomer Murders.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 2:26 pm
Justice Steven Rares finding that Mr Ashby had worked with him to “advance the interests of the LNP and Mr Brough”.

On what evidence did Rares base his judgment?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 2:29 pm
I wonder if they’re Lutherans.

Female circumcision accused face court.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 2:30 pm
Mark Dreyfus: ‘Black helicopters, shape-shifters helped Ashby.’

Dreyfus claims Slipper case ‘sinister, anti-democratic’ plot.

The sexual harassment case against Peter Slipper was “an attempt to overthow the government by sinister anti-democratic means”, according to Labor MP Mark Dreyfus…

Mr Dreyfus, who is a QC, as well as the parliamentary secretary for climate change, told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday that the case was ”an attack designed to change the balance in the House of Representatives”.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 2:34 pm
It’s now racist to imitate some sheila with a big rack and round backside:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/not-just-harmless-fun-wozniacki-accused-of-racism-after-williams-impression-20121212-2b8gy.html

The whole world has gone bonkers.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 2:34 pm
It’s now racist to imitate some sheila with a big rack and round backside:

Why, yes. Satire is offensive. It must be banned. That’s banned BANNED BANNED.

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 2:45 pm
If Dreyfus is a QC how come we have Roxon as A-G? Another example of affirmative action trumping merit based appointment. Although judging by his statements today, he doesn’t sound like he’d be much of an improvement.

Cold-Hands

12 Dec 12 at 2:53 pm
Sorry Sinc didn’t
mean to verbal you.

Brian4Jesus

12 Dec 12 at 2:55 pm
There was once a time when Australians prided themselves – and, indeed, were renowned – for putting shit on each other and being easy-going enough not to take offence:

http://www.news.com.au/national/no-more-sledging-at-the-cricket-or-name-calling-under-proposed-laws/story-fndo4eg9-1226535227751

It was an indication of the strength of your character and that you were comfortable in your own skin.

What have we become? A bunch of big girl’s blouses who cry into our hands when someone hurts our feelings, demanding that nanny comes and makes everything nice and safe again.

John Mc

12 Dec 12 at 3:01 pm
Australia is a terrible country now. We should be embarrassed.

If I had access to a Kiwi passport I’d be using it.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 3:09 pm
I am totally with Dottie on this one clearly we have both read the emails that were posted recently.
Sure they didn’t tell us much but we can read between the lines.

Brian4Jesus

12 Dec 12 at 3:12 pm
What the hell do the ambulance chasers at Maurice Blackburn Lawyers have to do with traffic policy?

“By legislating to introduce congestion filtering, you can reduce the travel times of all road users, improve rider safety and ultimately benefit the environment by encouraging more people to travel by motorcycle rather than in cars.”
John Voyage, Principal of Maurice Blackburn’s TAC department, said that action now needs to follow so that the key recommendations actually lead to safer roads for all users.
“The report has targeted some key and important areas for improvement – it’s a good report. The challenge now is for action on the recommendations,” Mr Voyage said.
“Motorcycling is the fastest growing road user sector, nationally experiencing 7 – 8 per cent registration growth per annum for the last decade, so road safety measures targeted to keeping riders alive is more important than ever.
“Our firm represents riders who have been injured through no fault of their own, and we know more can be done to reduce this type of road trauma in order to stop motorcyclists from being overrepresented in crash statistics.”

Oh, ok. But it does seem incongruous they would get involved.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 3:17 pm
Young libertarians are idiots:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/11/reason-poll-young-libertarians-favored-obama-over-romney-by-10-points/

They’d rather see two pooves get married, smoke a blunt and abort a baby than have limited government.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 3:26 pm
They are idiots because Obama won’t even let gays marry or let anyone have a toke. His drug law enforcement is tyrannical.

His views on abortion are loopy. Some people back abortion for pragmatic reasons. Born alive abortion is sick shit. Once the baby is removed from the mother…what health risk can it pose?

I guess I’m an old libertarian then.

.

12 Dec 12 at 3:29 pm
I am very uncomforatble with the notion of settling and not admitting guilt. I understand the calculus behind those sorts of decisions, but it suggests to me that there is something very wrong going on.

Its a sign of a broken system. On one hand you have people settling even though they don’t believe they are guilty because the legal fees will exceed what they have to pay out, and on the other hand people also settle when guilty because they want no admission of guilt as well as confidentiality clauses because they know there are others out there who might also sue if they know what is going on (Hardie’s as an extreme example). In terms of “justice” neither situation is optimal, but what would change in the legal system to fix it?

On what evidence did Rares base his judgment?

Read the full judgement if you want to know

http://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2012/2012fca1411

Good research Chris, however that is the precedents for the decision, not whether it was justified.

Sure, I don’t claim to be a lawyer. But dot was asking on what basis in law a claim could be thrown out. Nice thing about the internet these days is anyone can very easily read the full judgements of cases if you want to see a judge’s justification a decision. Which is often a lot more complicated and reasonable than what appears in news reports.

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 3:36 pm
Nanny Roxon holding a presser at the moment.

A grating, gloating voice. The 50 grand keeps coming up.

She’s struggling a little, having to repeat herself about the money.

It might turn out ok if the press do their job.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 3:40 pm
Read the full judgement

I did. There was no evidence only conjecture and most of it relied on what Roxon said publicly while the case was still before the courts.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 3:41 pm
M0nty is an ALP shill. M0nty wants the ALP to have pure power – whatever it takes.

Oh, he’s more calculating than that TwoStix.

M0nty is like the Hollywood millionares. He counts on us to vote for adults to to keep the government regulation and taxes under control, and to protect free speech so his business is not swamped by the perils of the statists.

We all know the type, if you dig into their tax affairs you’ll hear them boast how they’ve structured everything so the business makes not profit and pays no taxes, while at the same time demanding the middle class schmo’s they condemn as racist, etc pay more and more.

Token

12 Dec 12 at 3:44 pm
Declaration: Justice Rares has his own chapter in my book “Love Letters from the Bar Table” where I write about his criminal conduct while on the bench.

Interesting Rares never took Shane Dowling to court.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 3:46 pm
Once the baby is removed from the mother…what health risk can it pose?

Indeed. And the instances in which this is in fact a problem could be counted on Captain Hook’s right hand.

dover_beach

12 Dec 12 at 3:49 pm
From my observations, a lot of motorcyclists already filter when traffic in the CBD comes to a standstill.

The only thing that stops them is a lack of space between vehicles – a lot of lanes in the city are pretty narrow. There are times when I can’t filter on my push bike without wiping out side mirrors.

boy on a bike

12 Dec 12 at 3:53 pm
A good one for your xmas stocking might be “Cowboy Heaven”.

Thanks Pickles, already have three copies, one each for the mothers and one for us. Fascinating read – highly recommend to any and all.

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 3:56 pm
I’ve read a fair bit of the Judgement now and it seems pretty reasonable so far.

Good decision, well argued..

In a nutshell the Judge reckons he was a willing flirter and there was no real power differential between them

Hence no merit.

no evidence only conjecture

I disagree Gab, there is a ton of documentary evidence. The young bloke even wanted to join him on a one month! jaunt to Europe.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 3:57 pm
From Spot’s link, the galloping feminisation of the Western male:

meggings,’ (tights) as we’re calling them nowadays, are “all the rage in sartorial circles” and “taking Manhattan by storm”

Come on guys, these are just a reincarnation of ‘Long Johns’ oft worn under trousers in the past for keeping warm. Fashionistas now wear them on the outside – I wager there will be sales of ‘area enhancers’ as well, (socks perhaps?).

It is just budgie smugglers with legs.

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 4:01 pm
Does His Honour Justice Rares provide any guidance on the question of pissing out of windows? That could be quite useful for the upcoming party season.

H B Bear

12 Dec 12 at 4:02 pm
Sure, I don’t claim to be a lawyer. But dot was asking on what basis in law a claim could be thrown out. Nice thing about the internet these days is anyone can very easily read the full judgements of cases if you want to see a judge’s justification a decision. Which is often a lot more complicated and reasonable than what appears in news reports.

You sure aren’t.

.

12 Dec 12 at 4:02 pm
The young bloke even wanted to join him on a one month! jaunt to Europe.

I missed that bit in the judgement. Did Ashby state this before or after he asked Slipper to stop with the inappropriate texts?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:03 pm
Para 48 Gab.

March 2012. I’m confused about the timeline.

It doesn’t seem he asked his to stop – he was a willing participant from the looks of it, certainly the Judge thinks so.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:07 pm
Hence no merit.

no evidence only conjecture

I disagree Gab, there is a ton of documentary evidence.

What evidence did Rares actually look at?

Ashby reckons he didn’t.

…and yes he would be treated differently if he were a woman. A woman can flirt and still get sexually harassed.

It’s an odd day when lefties (indirectly) don’t get the point of Thelma and Louise.

.

12 Dec 12 at 4:09 pm
It doesn’t seem he asked his to stop

Now apply this to a case involving a woman. You wouldn’t dare, not would I in a serious enough matter.

.

12 Dec 12 at 4:13 pm
Dot:

He must have looked at something there are exerpts all over the place.

He mentions he was given Ashby’s txts by his lawyer and there are all sorts of communications quoted.

The Judge basically decided there was little merit in Ashby’s complaint and then goes gangbusters on Brough and others working together to get Slippery Pete. That excited the Judge A LOT.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:16 pm
I notice he cited a case involving DJs. I think that was that women who tried a sex hass against one the top dogs in DJs. She lost.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:18 pm
Ah yes found it.

48 During late March and April 2012, Mr Slipper was to lead a Parliamentary delegation on a visit to a number of countries, including Hungary. Mr Slipper was expected to be overseas from 24 March 2012 to 22 April 2012. In early to mid March 2012 Mr Ashby proposed that he accompany Mr Slipper on a visit to Hungary, at Mr Ashby’s own expense. On 16 March 2012, Mr Slipper emailed Mr Ashby saying that it was not possible for Mr Ashby to accompany him on the trip writing: “Sadly, the excellent … suggestion you made seems too hard in an entitlement (even tho you paying) and PR and departmental/delegation sense. Gather it would be perceived as odd/risky.” Mr Ashby replied “That’s no worries. It was only a wild idea, but sometimes wild ideas become reality”.

So it was wrong of Asby to ask to be a part of the “delegation”? I’m assuming by delegation that means more than just Slipper taking the trip.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:19 pm
If j. Ashby was colluding with m. Brough as the judge indicated, what was in it for him – is someone paying him, otherwise he’s trashing his career, reputation, etc.
Why would he go through all this, telling lies etc, if he didn’t gain something out of. It couldn’t be just to help M. Brough, that sounds ridiculous.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 4:20 pm
It doesn’t seem he asked his to stop

He did in one text, he also said something along the lines of Slipper’s texts were inappropriate in another text. It appears that’s all just being twisted as “no doesn’t really mean no”.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:24 pm
Yeah, full blown junket Gab.

It sounds like Ashby would pay his airfare. Anyway Ashby seems comfortable travelling with him.

candy:

There is mention he expected to get a job with Brough or someone else, either way he was told he’d be looked after. Can’t recall where it was now. A fair bit of reading there.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:24 pm
Anyway Ashby seems comfortable travelling with him.

probably becuase there were many others in the delegation joining Slipper.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:26 pm
full blown junket

LOL yeah like backbencher Rudd travelling to UK, China this year.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:28 pm
Bloody Rudd spent the most money of all of them, $300k in 6 months was it?, How the hell he justified that I have no idea.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:31 pm
“candy:

There is mention he expected to get a job with Brough or someone else, either way he was told he’d be looked after. Can’t recall where it was now. A fair bit of reading there.”

Yes, DaveF, but would a youngish man take all this risk of ruining his future – and today he’s made to look like a first class liar among other things – over some sort of “promised” job.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 4:32 pm
$1 million in nine months.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 4:33 pm
What I don’t understand about this claim by the Judge that Ashby colluded with Brough is this: What difference does it make?

If the allegations are substantiated – then rule in favour of Ashby.
If not – rule against Ashby.

How does anything that went on between Ashby and Brough – including Brough being the force behind the whole lawsuit thing – change that?

roger

12 Dec 12 at 4:34 pm
Correction: his QC told Ashby he couldn’t be fixed up with a job. Whether this was just during the court case or in the future isn’t clear.

Para 76 and 77

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:36 pm
Yes, DaveF, but would a youngish man take all this risk of ruining his future – and today he’s made to look like a first class liar among other things – over some sort of “promised” job.

Young and naive perhaps?

I think he had the idea he’d be looked after but found out it wasn’t the case at the 11th hour. But the snowball had picked up too much speed by then maybe.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 4:38 pm
I notice he cited a case involving DJs. I think that was that women who tried a sex hass against one the top dogs in DJs. She lost.

Um…she didn’t lose!

Exactly roger. Just because there was collusion doesn’t mean there is a breach of the integrity of the process.

The common sez for a case to be thrown out, the overriding motivation has to be to abuse the process, and it would only be applied in exceptional circumstances.

You can still be motivated to get more than common law relief or criminal justice from the court before the integrity of the process is compromised.

.

12 Dec 12 at 4:43 pm
I think he had the idea he’d be looked after but found out it wasn’t the case at the 11th hour. But the snowball had picked up too much speed by then maybe.

So who’s paying his legal fees (which must be substantial) at the moment or does he have a lawyer acting pro bono for him?

Chris

12 Dec 12 at 4:45 pm
…and what that proves abuse of process, does it?

.

12 Dec 12 at 4:48 pm
Helen
Also got “They Crossed a Continent” (the Croker Is exodus) and “In the Middle of Everywhere” (the history of Elliot).
Waiting for the book about Bern and Eileen Kilgariff to turn up. Bern was a bit of a mentor for me in Alice 20 yrs ago, but I know I was one of many, many in that regard.

Sid Parker’s introduction sums up the Townsends well:

“We have never had better migrants. I am really glad that fifty years ago they chose to come here.”

Pickles

12 Dec 12 at 5:03 pm
What I don’t understand about this claim by the Judge that Ashby colluded with Brough is this: What difference does it make?

Bingo.

Answer: none.

That’s the biggest red flag that this judge is sus.

If a soon-to-be complainant wants to discuss what allegedly happened to him with a colleague before approaching a lawyer – which would be normal in 98 percent of cases – that’s his fucking business.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 5:19 pm
The young bloke even wanted to join him on a one month! jaunt to Europe.

In this day and age, if he were female, that would be irrelevant and considered blaming the victim.

Young Jemima could, hypothetically, have even initiated a lot of the conversations and then changed her mind.

No means no, remember? But because it’s actually James I guess the rules are different.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 5:36 pm
The Monty wrote ”

Reality bites the poor, deluded wingnuts yet again. Another witch hunt brings up nothing but lies and subterfuge by the Coalition.

I wonder if he’s any chance to regain that Speakership. (Kidding! )

I take offence. I’m actually a rich wing nut.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 5:38 pm
lawyer was no win no fee and the QC was pro bono.

What I don’t understand about this claim by the Judge that Ashby colluded with Brough is this: What difference does it make?

As far as the law he quoted it matters because he decided the flimsiness of the claim and the abundant media coverage they arranged -yes, arranged- made him conclude the whole case was premised on bad publicity, not a legitimate dispute.

Theres a lot about it but this is a sample Mr Smith is a journo):

138 I am also satisfied that Mr Ashby and Ms Doane by about 29 March 2012 were in a combination with Mr Brough to cause Mr Slipper as much political and public damage as they could inflict on him. They believed and hoped that Mr Lewis would publish unfavourable stories about Mr Slipper concerning whatever they could help Mr Lewis find in relation to Mr Slipper’s use of his travel entitlements in the areas of Mr Lewis’ curiosity. That is why each of Mr Ashby, Ms Doane and Mr Brough were anxious to provide Mr Lewis with the diary entries he sought. It is not clear whether Mr Brough had passed on to Mr Lewis Mr Ashby’s foreshadowed complaint of sexual harassment in late March 2012. They also believed that Mr Lewis, and the media generally, would report on any legal proceeding against Mr Slipper in which Mr Ashby alleged sexual harassment. At this time, Mr Ashby and Ms Doane saw Mr Brough as their means of obtaining favour from the LNP in seeking new employment. It was obvious that once what Mr Ashby was then planning became public, he and Ms Doane could no longer work as members of Mr Slipper’s personal staff. The relationship of trust and confidence (if it still subsisted) between Mr Slipper and the two staff members would have been destroyed by their acts of calculated disloyalty.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 5:40 pm
The young bloke even wanted to join him on a one month! jaunt to Europe.

I missed that bit in the judgement. Did Ashby state this before or after he asked Slipper to stop with the inappropriate texts?

So “NO” doesn’t mean “NO” if it embarasses the Labor Party.

I remember the shrill Labor trolls in the Stenographers guild over-reacting when Abbott about this issue during the last federal election.

[Yes, Grattan, Kelly & Sam "I'll believe & report any unsubstantiated statement about Abbott" Maiden"]

Token

12 Dec 12 at 5:40 pm
Crikey a new Steve? Are they all named Steve?

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 5:41 pm
How does anything that went on between Ashby and Brough – including Brough being the force behind the whole lawsuit thing – change that?

So, the judge would think it is appropriate for a man to harass a woman who flirted with a man, but now says “NO”?

The judge would allow the man to keep harassing the woment due to the woman’s previous actions, correct?

Further, the harassment is OK if the woman who was brave enough to stand up to her boss has an option of employment after the sh*t-fight is over?

Sexual Harassment rules seem to be evolving.

Token

12 Dec 12 at 5:46 pm
Further, the harassment is OK if the woman who was brave enough to stand up to her boss has an option of employment after the sh*t-fight is over?

Judge Rares agrees with you.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 5:50 pm
Judge Rares seems to be a “he/she had it coming” dinosaur.

Token

12 Dec 12 at 5:52 pm
Today’s judgment has found Ashby and his lawyers, Harmers Workplace Lawyers, produced “scandalous” evidence in apparent breach of professional standards to damage Slipper publicly as part of a political conspiracy.

The judge has thrown out the claims not because there was no evidence of sexual harassment but that the court application was “an abuse of process” which would have brought the justice system into disrepute if it continued.

Evidence is evidence. That a judge decides it is “scandalous” before a hearing is scandalous in itself.

This judge appears to have been well advised by Roxon.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 5:55 pm
The judge has thrown out the claims not because there was no evidence of sexual harassment but that the court application was “an abuse of process” which would have brought the justice system into disrepute if it continued.

So the judge was looking for an excuse to bin the case.

And there is no law preventing somebody from speaking to a journalist and given that the respondent was – you know, the state – Ashby was perfectly entitled to try to level the playing field by getting his side of the story out.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 6:07 pm
Look Slipper applied to have the matter dismissed. The Judge had to make a decision on it.

He made the decision.

I read it and it seems reasonable under the law. I’m not happy about it, but it seems reasonable.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:10 pm
Johanna, wish I could believe these blogs and opionistas in various media for women were merely preaching to the converted. That would be OK.

In fact, they attact hundreds of thousands of ordinary women who then become converts to their mode, because they are never presented with anything else. These attitudes are not just on blogs, they are endemic in any of the pieces written for the female demographic in the MSM.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

12 Dec 12 at 6:11 pm
Mr Smith is a journo

Sorry: Mr Lewis.

Chris Smith gets a mention in there somewhere.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:13 pm
I read it and it seems reasonable under the law.

Unlike you, I’m no lawyer I just have an opinion. The judge seems to have based his decision not on evidence but rather on conjecture, media reports, unfounded allegations by Labor ministers. Justice is very politically motivated.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 6:14 pm
Re: Mummy Blogging. I’ve noticed the SMH one is particularly toxic.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/#utm_source=FD&utm_medium=masthead&utm_campaign=strap

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:16 pm
Sexual Harassment rules seem to be evolving.

Not at all, Tokes. The good judge just sees gal qaeda on the horizon swinging their handbags and makes his decisions accordingly.

Young and naive James has the wrong chromosomes.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 6:22 pm
Unlike you, I’m no lawyer I just have an opinion. The judge seems to have based his decision not on evidence but rather on conjecture, media reports, unfounded allegations by Labor ministers. Justice is very politically motivated.

No, I’m not a lawyer. It may be political but he listed chapter and verse as to why he decided that way.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:26 pm
Ashby should put a submission into the forthcoming Royal Commission. He was after all sexually harassed by a man of the cloth.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 6:28 pm
I wager there will be sales of ‘area enhancers’ as well, (socks perhaps?).

They are called posing pouches Helen.

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 6:29 pm
New TV channel on SBS, Aboriginal TV.

Seriously it might be good. Costs us 15 mill a year, though.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:29 pm
It is understood around 150 staff from 2Day FM attend the programs every six months – including Christian and Greig, who tricked two British nurses into believing they were the Queen and Prince Charles.

Wow that’s a lot of staff for a radio station. I did high school work experience, possibly even 2DAY I don’t recall now, and there were hardly any staff at all. I was surprised at the time.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 6:39 pm
It’s hard to say, Lizzie. I think that a lot of the readership is self-selecting. People like you and me decide not to go there.

To be fair, the one I followed for a while had a reasonable amount of factual content, and it was clear that a lot of readers were only interested in that. Others treated it like those junk magazines, just fluff, and cracked jokes about daft baby names and dumb celebrities. But there was a hard core of leftie/greenie entitled types who whined ceaselessly and unthinkingly repeated everything they had ever been told about the evils of capitalism.

I had a few allies when I would enter the fray on some issue – a very smart scientist from Wagga, of all places, and a couple of witty women whose comments usually went straight over the heads of those they were aimed at. But we were in the minority, for sure.

johanna

12 Dec 12 at 6:51 pm
Bush lawyers are bad enough but bush scientists? Where will this all end?

Pickles

12 Dec 12 at 6:58 pm
it seems reasonable under the law.

I’m not a lawyer

Que?

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 7:00 pm
Pickles, we have suggested another topic for Peter and Sheila, something about ‘the Vandal’ Paul Vandaleur (RIP) another should be what really happened during the BTEC years – before all the witnesses fall off the perch.

We are lucky to have such competent historians and authors to do all this, else so much would be lost to some sanitised PC history.

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 7:14 pm
posing pouches

Thanks for the image, Splatacrobat, but I think I’d prefer a ‘cod piece‘ a la ‘Enry wot cut off all the heads.

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 7:17 pm
Or a merkin

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 7:20 pm
the merkin is following the inside on outside fashion trend

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 7:21 pm
Crikey a new Steve? Are they all named Steve?

They’re zombies , Dave F. One goes down and other one takes it’s place.

It’s no longer The Night of the Living Dead. It’s the Night of the Steves.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 7:27 pm
Seeing the Macquarie Dictionary can basically be changed at will now, I wonder if the Steve can be made interchangeable with the zombie?

JC

12 Dec 12 at 7:28 pm
hmph
Just inquired as to the likelihood of the Lil Princess acquiring one said merkin.

Her reply, “In yer dreams dickhead”

Rudiau

12 Dec 12 at 7:30 pm
it seems reasonable under the law.

I’m not a lawyer

The Judge quotes the relevant law and the reasons he made the decision under that law.

Not a lawyer, PI in the past.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm
IT says

“He was after all sexually harassed by a man of the cloth.”

Should Ashby join the club?

Alice

12 Dec 12 at 7:41 pm
Vandeleur would be great. Drove a tractor from Innisfail to Camfield. Then flogged it bare. Saw the light and ended up a great member of the PLB . Pity Noel Buntine and he aren’t about but there’s still some good yarns and photos.

Pickles

12 Dec 12 at 7:42 pm
The Ashby decision seems a little questionable. The decision effectively equates Ashby’s actions with champerty and maintenance. While I agree that champerty and maintenance are not particularly noble forms of conduct, they are no longer illegal. Rares seems to be trying to re-establish in common law that which has already been struck down by legislation.

2dogs

12 Dec 12 at 8:01 pm
DaveF,

PI = Private Investigator?

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
DaveF was 22/7 ( close enough )
Never shaken and hard to stir.
F, Dave F.

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 8:28 pm
DaveF, DC = deep cover.

blogstrop

12 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm
Bush lawyers are bad enough but bush scientists? Where will this all end?

Bush Premiers and Bush Prime Ministers I hope.

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 8:48 pm
DaveF= Magnum

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 8:52 pm
While I agree that champerty and maintenance are not particularly noble forms of conduct, they are no longer illegal. Rares seems to be trying to re-establish in common law that which has already been struck down by legislation.

The ruling means, if upheld, that we no longer have a right to court proceedings if we can benefit from it in some other way than getting relief of criminal justice, or rulings such as estoppel in equity.

Which would violate our human rights!

Suck it ALP. You signed up to it.

The ruling is so far reaching, it means anyone with any form of political rivalry basically cannot sue one another.

It also is perverse as it gives MPs the heirs and graces of a lese majesty law. Which would violate their constitutional oath of loyalty to the Queen as they are rewarding themselves with formerly royal prerogatives.

.

12 Dec 12 at 8:54 pm
And now for something completely different. Tonight’s essential viewing while wrapping presents and procrastinating on the exercise front is Into Great Silence.

A beautiful film with no soundtrack other than a few sentences of dialogue here and there, it’s a view of life in the Grand Chartreuse monastery in France.

I’ve seen it twice already, and it is something wonderful to have in the background.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 8:55 pm
Maybe we could have the D-Team? He’s a PI, DC AND an icecream.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 8:58 pm
Pickles, you are going to have to tell me who you are – I admit it is driving me nuts! I went to school with Vandeleur’s daughter Anne years ago, about the time Camfield was sold, but husband knew him very well. Ditto Noel.

Who would have the patience to drive an non aircon machine that far these days? A feat in itself.

Helen Armstrong

12 Dec 12 at 8:58 pm
Crikey a new Steve? Are they all named Steve

DaveF
12 Dec 12 at 5:41 pm

Crikey central is 10 mins from home..

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:04 pm
Stick to outrageous outrage Steves. The funnies don’t work for you.

By the way, you sound awfully like a lavartus prodeo (lavatory pronto) veteran as one of those hen pecked males from there. Am I right?

JC

12 Dec 12 at 9:07 pm
I’m not kidding. If we don’t get a strong handle on this stuff now, the moochers will even eat our bones.

How bad is California’s public employee compensation problem? If nurses collecting $1 million in overtime pay and highway patrol officers making $500,000 are any indication, “bad” doesn’t cover the half of it. From Bloomberg (the first in a five-part series):

This could be the future.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 9:15 pm
JC..please be more specific ay..

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:17 pm
More specific? You idiot, how could I be more specific than I’ve already been?

JC

12 Dec 12 at 9:19 pm
How bad is California’s public employee compensation problem? If nurses collecting $1 million in overtime pay and highway patrol officers making $500,000 are any indication, “bad” doesn’t cover the half of it.

That isn’t a typo, is it?

.

12 Dec 12 at 9:21 pm
More specific? You idiot, how could I be more specific than I’ve already been?..

Is that really the best that you can come up with at short notice?
I live at Glasshouse and Australia Zoo is 10 minutes up the road.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:23 pm
SoG pretending to be a QLDer = desperate.

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 9:23 pm
Dot

No, it doesn’t appear to be a typo. They are sucking everyone dry.

Fme.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 9:26 pm
Steves

First off, please place quotations around stuff you;ve copied and pasted or mark the quote and then hit the b-quote box, you moron.

I’m not attempting to be glib, you asshat. I was asking a quite specific easy to understand question, which seems too difficult for you.

You live in a zoo? Are you trying to be funny?

Go away. We have too many Steves as it is.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 9:31 pm
Mulry boy ..wrote SoG pretending to be a QLDer = desperate.

Ok..time to feed the baby troll. No..just kidding. Go brush your tooth, and off to bed.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:37 pm
Tonight’s essential viewing while wrapping presents and procrastinating on the exercise front is Into Great Silence

Nilk – you do realise Ragin Cajuns is also on tonight (ch 608)

That is a tough call

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 9:38 pm
I’ve never even heard of that one, Carpe. It was actually a toss-up between Into Great Silence and Act of Valour.

I figured that since I wanted to Get Stuff Done, it would be better to have something that I don’t have to focus on on the teev.

Ragin Cajuns sounds like an awful lot of fun just from the title.

nilk

12 Dec 12 at 9:42 pm
I live at Glasshouse and Australia Zoo is 10 minutes up the road.

Outstanding, by the way the company i work for is doing some projects in that area, let me know your cage number and i’ll bring some fruit for you.

If you want Lego i’ll need an advance order.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 9:43 pm
I’m sorry I was out having dinner and missed the jokes.

I worked as a PI for a fair while. Mostly skip tracing. Not the most honourable of professions but it serves a useful function.

I mentioned it because it’s kind of legal related and I had exposure to the legal system ie it’s the law, not justice (cliche but true).

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 9:43 pm
Just wondering why Steve of Glasshouse is being given a hard time?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 9:43 pm
JC..thank you for the lesson in manners, and grammar.
Why should I go anywhere? FWIW, I live about 10 minutes from Australia Zoo. Hence the reference to ” Crikey “.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:43 pm
Ragin Cajuns sounds like an awful lot of fun just from the title.

It’s actually about a pawn shop in Louisiana (sic). But it is funny to watch, it reminds me of how good my life is.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 9:45 pm
Gab..don’t worry about it. I’ve seen more flame wars than most people on this site have probably had hot dinners. Water off a duck’s ( that’d be possessive ay JC) back.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:47 pm
SoG came in and sounded like the other Steves Gab

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 9:48 pm
SoG came in and sounded like the other Steves

Where’s your evidence?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 9:49 pm
Steve of Glasshouse – perhaps i was hasty in my postings, if that is the case i apologise.

However, if you post in a scattergun method without referencing your topic it will go pear shaped.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 9:49 pm
i understood the Crikey joke and Glasshouse Mts but it’s a bit hard for non-Queenslanders.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 9:51 pm
I checked your first comment and apologise Steve from Glasshouse. I read it briefly and made that comment about the Steve collective.

I was incorrect in my snap conclusion. In my defence I was going through the judgement and you really need to work on using the handy block quote tab.

I read m0nty’s quote as yours.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 9:54 pm
I was wrong Gab, see above.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 9:54 pm
jumpnmcar” SoG pretending to be a QLDer = desperate.”

Glasshouse Country News..Wed Dec 12..Vol 27-31.

Front page ..top left story..fill in the next words after
” Mooloolah…………..”

You should know we Queenslanders arc up easily..

You’ve just been slammed out of the park

That’s a joke btw..

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:55 pm
where is Steve x 2 anyway, they just come and go, what a tantalising pair they are.

candy

12 Dec 12 at 9:56 pm
b-quote

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 9:56 pm
Fooled you all..this is the United Sates of Steves..

I’m the good one..mostly

Guess this how we say “g’day”

Steve
who really does live in Glasshouse. I promise to duck down to the stationery store tomorrow and buy some quotation marks..

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 9:59 pm
Gab said;

Just wondering why Steve of Glasshouse is being given a hard time?

SoG said;

Go brush your tooth, and off to bed.

Scumbag called me a Collingswood suporter, nuff said.

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 9:59 pm
Steve has been a victim of Steveophobia.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 9:59 pm
Steve has been a victim of Steveophobia.

Much to my shame CL you are correct, it has become a Pavlovian response. My bad.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 10:02 pm
where is Steve x 2 anyway,

Yeah, for a day of victory and Abbott trashing both they and m0nty aren’t much about.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 10:03 pm
Jumpnmcar “Scumbag called me a Collingswood suporter, nuff said.”

Could be worse..go clean the full/full dentures that you’ve had since age 14. That’d make you a Port Adelaide supporter

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 10:04 pm
You’ve just been slammed out of the park

A baseball term in cricket country eh?
SoG’s a fake.

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 10:07 pm
For goodness sake, stop it.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:08 pm
PI?

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 10:12 pm
I’m not making this up:

The Australian Medical Association is also calling for a ban on stickers…

I’m reminded that medicos were never addressed as “Dr” until comparatively recent times. Before that lamentable misapplication of the honorific, they were a step up from barbers. Which is round-about prologomena to saying, ‘dear quacks – attend to your trade and keep your noses out of people’s liberties. Above your pay grade.’

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 10:13 pm
Too many Cat commenters are suffering from PTSD (Post-Traumatic Steve Disorder) – thus the friendly fire against SoG.

Settle, kids.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 10:15 pm
Thanks for the image, Splatacrobat, but I think I’d prefer a ‘cod piece‘ a la ‘Enry wot cut off all the heads.

Hahaha Helen that web site is great. I’ve saved it to my favorites. What a wealth of information for the man about town.

The art of Manliness

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:15 pm
“I’m reminded that medicos were never addressed as “Dr” until comparatively recent times.”

From Wikipedia:

According to Douglas Guthrie,[4] who bases his account on L Thorndike,[5] medical men were first called “Doctor” at the Medical School of Salerno. He states that the Emperor Frederick II decreed in 1221 that no one should practice medicine until he had been publicly examined and approved by the masters of Salerno. The course lasted 5 years, and to start one had to be 21 years old and show proof of legitimacy and of three years study of logic. The course was followed by a year of supervised practice. After the laureation ceremony the practitioners could call themselves “magister” or “doctor.”

“Before that lamentable misapplication of the honorific, they were a step up from barbers.”

You’re confusing medical doctors with surgeons, who have barbers as their predecessors.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 10:17 pm
‘Horsemen of the Apocalypse’ … Dennis Quaid … yeh.

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 10:18 pm
Steve of Glasshouse is alright.

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:18 pm
I’ll take your word for it Dot.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:19 pm
Righto SoG, Gab said enough so here’s a peace offering

Tony fucking Abbott. ( updates every twat )

jumpnmcar

12 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
The name steve pops up and it immediately it makes me see red.

Those two imbeciles have ruined the name Steve.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
Settle, kids.

Good idea, Puppy Boy.

(Oh-oh. I’m in for it now. I’ve used someone else’s proprietory concept.)

Tom

12 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
Sep – yeah, that kind of PI lol

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 10:21 pm
Jarrah

It is a MB BS in the usual course of study until a few years ago.

So yeah I’d say the medicine discipline put them on the strait and narrow, but the quacks probably had some skills and learning by doing the academics and physicians found invaluable.

I thought they’d take on a magister degree unless they taught, where they’d be called doctor but initially they were issued licentiates, not doctorates (which were despised by academia initially).

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:22 pm
The name steve pops up and it immediately it makes me see red.

See? PTSD. Post-Traumatic Steve Disorder.

Snic prolly should oughta lay on some counselors for us. We’re victims.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 10:26 pm
jump:

Has twitter ever made a positive contribution to anyone’s life?

No way I reckon.

DaveF

12 Dec 12 at 10:26 pm
http://humour.bluehaze.com.au/index.php..

Got to spread the lurve..

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Dec 12 at 10:28 pm
“It is a MB BS in the usual course of study until a few years ago. ”

Now that is the recent development. Historically, doctors and surgeons have separate pedigrees.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 10:29 pm
Puppy Boy.

HEY. That’s someone else’s propitiatory term of endearment for me.

Gab {hearts} me. Gab is lovely. You, sir, are no Gab. So shut up.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 10:29 pm
A doctor is literally a teacher – more historically, a teacher in the sacred disciplines of Christianity. The word has no medical connotations whatsoever and wasn’t widely given any until modern times. There were licentiates – licences to teach given in medicine – but the title never had any medical meaning.

Amusingly, the AMA now recognises a problem in people calling themselves “Dr.”

•such persons [must] ensure that their use of the title is always accompanied by information confirming that they are not medical practitioners.

Well, that should go without saying.

https://ama.com.au/use-title-%E2%80%98doctor%E2%80%99

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 10:30 pm
The art of Manliness

Actually i think i would look rather natty with a Fedora.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 10:31 pm
Wow, the American left is shitting itself. The Republican governors seem to be doing God’s work on earth. Michigan, the cradle of American labor unionism, is likely to become a right to work state.

http://progressive.org/right-to-work-as-goes-michigan-so-goes-nation

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
The Courier Mail had an interesting article on “Dr” creep a few years ago:

Doctor title grows in common usage, not by degrees.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 10:34 pm
From eh Art of Manliness site:

Fantastic homemade gifts for men.

Dot, I’m making you one of these to add to your collection.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:36 pm
The art of Manliness

I always loved Michael’s Homburg in Godfather.

Class hat.

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2008/03/gfhat1.jpg

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 10:36 pm
Amusingly, the AMA now recognises a problem in people calling themselves “Dr.”

When i was a wee tacker my parents would call our GP Mr (1960′s/70′s), but in the 80′s and 90′s a Mr was a specialist or surgeon. I think it went Dr, Professor, Mr. Although by the late 90′s prof was for non-surgical positions.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 10:37 pm
So if everyone want to be referenced as Dr. I suppose I do too. Why not?

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:37 pm
SoG folks around these parts are a bit trigger happy when a name like Steve comes into town. I got your quips okay but can also see how they could be misinterpreted.

Otherwise things could get rough

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
Heh. “Dr JC” sounds like the villain from a James Bond movie.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
So if everyone want to be referenced as Dr

Dr Jugulum – i rather like that.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 10:39 pm
“It is a MB BS in the usual course of study until a few years ago. ”

Now that is the recent development. Historically, doctors and surgeons have separate pedigrees.

Ah. Semi recent. Not recent recent.

Amusingly, the AMA now recognises a problem in people calling themselves “Dr.”

•such persons [must] ensure that their use of the title is always accompanied by information confirming that they are not medical practitioners.

Yeah wrong. If I pull off my thesis, I’m gonna be ramming it down people throats for a little while.

The plain of Dot will suffice.

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:40 pm
The whole Mummy industry brings me out in a rash. Has there ever been a more insulting term than their ridiculous ‘Baby Daddy’? Men reduced to hapless sperm donors. Sickening.
And for all their self-proclaimed sense of power, these stupid women are literally afraid of the world, dousing their squalling out of control brats in Hand Sanitiser. I’m not sure what world these lunatics inhabit but it sure aint mine.

Tracey

12 Dec 12 at 10:40 pm
It’s historically and practically interesting.

Academic doctors like our beloved Snic are often dismissed as fake users of the title. Historically, they are the legitimate users – and their honorifics are conferred by university councils (which exist pursuant to acts of Parliament).

Then you’ve got a vet, say. Why the fuck would I call him “Dr”?

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 10:42 pm
I went to London recently and my boys 10 & 11 saw those flat caps like the workers used to wear so we bought one for each of us. They think they are cooler than baseball caps. I got a Harris Tweed cap and its really comfortable.

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:42 pm
You know, CL would be very handy to have around on trivial Pursuit pub nights. I mean that in a good way.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:43 pm
Hey Gab

I had one of those manly gifts during my school years.

The book safe.

I carved out the geography book and used it as a way to transport cigs to school to consume and sell.

I can’t tell you how many times teachers would smell tobacco on us rifle through our desks and were unable to confiscate my cigs stashed away. I’d sell them at a really good mark up too. I was actually in the 1% at school. There was money falling outta my pockets.. dripping in money.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:43 pm
I’d find the secret book safe more useful.

I smoke like a chump – too hot. I’d ruin a corn cob pipe.

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Why the fuck would I call him “Dr”?

If he is holding my cats balls in his hand, i will call him messiah.

Carpe Jugulum

12 Dec 12 at 10:45 pm
So if everyone want to be referenced as Dr. I suppose I do too. Why not?

Me too. Call me Dr. Dog.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 10:46 pm
Such an entrepreneur, JC. A male friend used to loan out porno mags for a fee when he was in high school. It was an all boys school so he made a fortune out of the business.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:46 pm
Pity about the book:) You can’t keep a good capitalist down, when stamps were 18c I used to sell them at work for 20c (sorry, I don’t have change).

Poor Old Rafe

12 Dec 12 at 10:46 pm
I understand that the White Pages only allows medical practitioners to be listed as Dr.

I am Mr on the school board I am on.

Years ago, Alan FitzGerald joked in a newspaper column that PhDs were so common in Canberra, it is considered an honour to be Mr.

Julian O'Dea

12 Dec 12 at 10:47 pm
Call me Dr. Dog.

No, it would be Dr Spot.*teehee*

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:48 pm
What about podiatrists?

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:49 pm
I find when you phone the Health Dept you get better service if you say (or at least if I say) this is Dr Champion. Professor is quite good too.

I like to answer the phone (briskly) “Dr Champion’s rooms” or for variety “Mr Champions chambers”.

Poor Old Rafe

12 Dec 12 at 10:49 pm
Haa

I did the porno mags too! I/we had a stash which we used to hide on the side of a proto church. (Further proof God doesn’t like protos as he never got pissed with me/us.)

I used to hire them out, but then some fucker came up with some really hardcore stuff making Playboy and Men’s only (I think it was called) passe.

I ran a card game and also had an interest in the tuck shop as we began to buy and sell our own stuff with the mother’s unaware of the caper.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:50 pm
Apparently senior surgeons used to be called “Mr” to distinguish them from the common herd of Doctors.

Poor Old Rafe

12 Dec 12 at 10:51 pm
What about podiatrists?

What about those quacks, the Chiropractors. They are absolute quacks and they call themselves doctors.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:53 pm
“Trust me – I’m a doctor.”

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 10:53 pm
The first Mrs D was a medical doctor and I used to tell her that real doctors had PhDs. Mind you the marriage didn’t last.

CL – from memory you’re entitled to be called Dr CL too.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 10:54 pm
I have a PhD. I bought it at Bunnings to dig post holes for my fence.

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:55 pm
I find when you phone the Health Dept you get better service if you say (or at least if I say) this is Dr Champion. Professor is quite good too.

I found once you get better service if you pass yourself off as being gay. I did once to turn off a cable service. It was in a pal’s name and I told them it was “my partner” and they became very helpful.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:55 pm
Selling ciggies
renting out porno mags
casino owner
third party food vendor
…and all before you left school for the big bad world. Not too shabby, JC.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 10:56 pm
I’ve seen the high school liquor, porn and tobacco trade.

Why was I such a pussy? Wasn’t I man enough to go outside and pick up the money?

I must have been Xerox boy from M&A in waiting.

I could have made some serious money. Back in 1995, I was seeing cigs sell for $2.

$43 markup on a pack?

Imagine walking out of your HSC and buying a home, perhaps even with a small loan and an entry level job. That may have been possible in my day, if you excelled at such illicit activity.

.

12 Dec 12 at 10:57 pm
Surgeons are still often called Mr or Mrs or whatever. I know this from keen viewing of RPA and other fine TV shows.

Julian O'Dea

12 Dec 12 at 10:58 pm
Gab

Seriously I was dripping in cash in high school. I had to be careful spending it though as the parents would wise up.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 10:58 pm
My Doctor is a real card. I went for my regular prostate exam and whilst he was snapping on the rubber glove he says “I don’t mind doing this as long as you don’t mind not enjoying it”.

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 10:58 pm
“Then you’ve got a vet, say. Why the fuck would I call him “Dr”?”

Recently the rules changed so that even osteopaths can call themselves Doctor.

“You know, CL would be very handy to have around on trivial Pursuit pub nights.”

He has a PhD in history. So probably not, going by the pub trivia nights I’ve been too, universally heavy on the pop culture.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 10:59 pm
Dot

The drug sellers were pretty big. Those fuckers in my time made off like bandits. I never went near that stuff as it was far too risky. That was children’s court stuff, expulsion and the parents going apeshit. The downside was fucking huge.

JC

12 Dec 12 at 11:01 pm
“The plain of Dot will suffice.”

In class yesterday the person next to me suggested I refer to you as Period. Dr Period would make it even weirder.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:02 pm
Okay, I don’t actually have either a PhD, JD, MD or any kind of D. I do have a Masters though. Could you all please at least call me Master? I’d like that.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 11:04 pm
Master Dog? Master Spot? Master Bates?

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:05 pm
How about Top Dog?

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 11:07 pm
He has a PhD in history Only the one? And only in one discipline? I imagined him to have more. He’s such a brainiac.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:07 pm
“plain of Dot”

Yes well. The ego has gotten to big when spelling errors transform me into a geographical area.

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm
“He’s such a brainiac.”

Stop knee-padding. It’s embarrassing.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm
Top Dog is good. And just plain old Master when we’re being casual. “Yes, Master.” Like that.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 11:10 pm
Stop knee-padding

Curious (and nasty) comment. Why would I do that? What would I gain?

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:10 pm
“Okay, I don’t actually have either a PhD, JD, MD or any kind of D.”

The JD is a fictitious D anyway. It’s not a research degree.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:10 pm
You’ll keep, Snic.

sdog

12 Dec 12 at 11:10 pm
“Curious (and nasty) comment.”

Borrowed from someone else.

“Why would I do that? What would I gain?”

My questions exactly.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:12 pm
Top Dog?

Licentiate miscellus?

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:12 pm
Borrowed from someone else.

What?! Hardly. You’re very weird tonight and rather nasty. Not sure what bug has got up your nose but we were all having a civil conversation until you bruised your way in with stupid assertions.

My questions exactly.

No, stupid. They were my questions to you, you nasty piece of work.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:14 pm
Person can’t give a genuine compliment around here without some fuckwit like Jarrah reading more into it than was intended.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:16 pm
“What?! Hardly.”

Au contraire. You’ve been here long enough to have seen that someone else use it several times. You’ve never objected before. I wonder why?

“we were all having a civil conversation until you bruised your way in with stupid assertions.”

I was part of that civil conversation until you started getting more fluttery than usual.

“No, stupid. They were my questions to you, you nasty piece of work.”

True. That doesn’t mean they weren’t also my questions, stupid.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:17 pm
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=knee-padding+site%3Acatallaxyfiles.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-beta&channel=fflb

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:19 pm
Gab – Jarrah is a pretty boy. You’d like him in person.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:19 pm
There will be no fighting in the war room.

I want to hear more illicit tales of iniquity and profit.

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:19 pm
Yes Master

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 11:20 pm
You’re deranged, jarrah. I don’t recall seeing it before here. It really is quite ordinary and not something a rocket scientist would say. But clearly it impresses you for some stange reason.

I was part of that civil conversation until you started getting more fluttery than usual.

Really, you were? I hadn’t noticed until you swiped at me like a little toddler wanting attention.

Fluttery? Heh, goes to your state of mind, not mine.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:21 pm
You’ll keep, Snic

Yes, yes. That’s what all the girls say.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:22 pm
You’d like him in person.

I hope to never ever meet him in person. I’m more selective with my time these days and with whom I spend it.

Pretty boys are very shallow and tiresome, in my experience.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:23 pm
“I don’t recall seeing it before here.”

Check the link I posted. There are actually far more instances than I realised. There’s no possible way you could have missed them… unless you’re being wilfully blind.

“Really, you were?”

I guess that confirms it.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:24 pm
Um

Since mentioned a marketing problem.

Can someone help these guy?

http://www.demonbuster.com/faq.html

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:25 pm
Institute of backyard studies

Terowie Festival of Explosions
The disclaimer for this event reads “We think this event happened in 1981 and probably won’t be on this year. If you go, it’s your own fault.”

Sounds like it would have been a blast!

Splatacrobat

12 Dec 12 at 11:26 pm
CAN I WRITE INTELLIGIBLE PROSE TONIGHT? FARK!

.

12 Dec 12 at 11:26 pm
You’re really very weird, Jarrah. And not in a good way.

You must be a real hoot to live with given the minute details you decide are worth starting an argument over.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:27 pm
Most people are better irl I reckon.

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:27 pm
“You must be a real hoot to live with given the minute details you decide are worth starting an argument over.”

Says the person who started the argument

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:28 pm
“Most people are better irl I reckon.”

Everyone except Graeme Bird.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:28 pm
Read up, Jarrah. You moron you started the argument.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:29 pm
You got nasty and insulted me, jarrah, from out of the blue. I wasn’t even talking to you. Perhaps it would be best if you just didn’t comment on anything I say and vice versa.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Never met Bird – so can’t say

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Sinc,

Wot’s ‘irl’?

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 11:32 pm
In real life

Sinclair Davidson

12 Dec 12 at 11:35 pm
An excellent description of the festering third world shithole that is called England:

If only took a few years of Monty Python and On The Buses and Connections to replace it with a different image, of small dingy flats full of nasty furniture where families lived in each others’ laps, in tightly-packed streets full of fusty little cars (more Cortina than MGB), where the TV and movies beamed exactly the same dreary picture back at you, and the cramped little kitchen had a rancid odour of boil-in-the-bag peas and omnipresent tea.

http://whoseculture.blogspot.ca/2012/12/malaise.html

twostix

12 Dec 12 at 11:37 pm
Ah. Thanks.

Septimus

12 Dec 12 at 11:38 pm
“You got nasty and insulted me, jarrah, from out of the blue.”

I insulted you in a teasing manner. I didn’t expect you to start an argument about it. This is Catallaxy, insults are de rigueur. Perhaps the SfB incident made you think you were a protected species?

If it makes you feel better, I retract my comment. You weren’t knee-padding (the phrase I didn’t come up with myself, check the link), you were cheerleading.

“Perhaps it would be best if you just didn’t comment on anything I say and vice versa.”

If you recall, a while ago you vowed to ignore me entirely. Feel free to stick to your convictions.

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:38 pm
“Never met Bird – so can’t say”

As Humphreys and Terje will attest, he was basically the same IRL as he is online. Except within swinging range!

Jarrah

12 Dec 12 at 11:40 pm
The $20,000 house in Michigan could be worth something in a decade. Not Detroit obviously. That union infested rathole is gone forever.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/righttowork-autos-idUSL1E8NC0B920121212

JC

12 Dec 12 at 11:42 pm
I insulted you in a teasing manner.

Knee padding is hardly “teasing”. It’s rather rude.

Perhaps the SfB incident made you think you were a protected species?

There you go again pretending to know what it is I am thinking. Sinclair’s decision to ban SFB had nothing to do with me. I did not ask Sinclair to do that and in fact argued with him when I heard about the ban.

No, you are confusing me with gillard who thinks everything a man says has a sexist angle behind it.

Gab

12 Dec 12 at 11:44 pm
Then you’ve got a vet, say. Why the fuck would I call him “Dr”?

My wife has a friend who is a chiropractor who likes to be called Doctor. Might as well, she’s obviously crazy.

Infidel Tiger

12 Dec 12 at 11:54 pm
JC, your school years sound like a junior Michael Corleone. LOL.

Renting porn mags, though. Mmm. I’m guessing their condition and quality would be a smidgen hard to maintain.

C.L.

12 Dec 12 at 11:58 pm
I miss Jason’s updates on what Bird is up to – and Jason himself for that matter.

Is Bird semi-retired?

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 12:00 am
“Knee padding is hardly “teasing”. It’s rather rude.”

Eye of the beholder, etc.

I honestly didn’t think you’d take it this hard. My apologies. I’ll keep my insults to non-rude things like ‘stupid’, OK?

“There you go again pretending to know what it is I am thinking.”

No, stupid. I said ‘perhaps’.

Jarrah

13 Dec 12 at 12:06 am
“Is Bird semi-retired?”

Maybe those wacko self-medications finally caught up to him. Or he’s simply been banned from so many places it just seems like he’s withdrawn somewhat.

Jarrah

13 Dec 12 at 12:08 am
“Such an entrepreneur, JC. A male friend used to loan out porno mags for a fee …”

Pffft, small beer! In another century my mate Mousy ran the SP at the Union Hotel in Erskineville when he was sixteen and flogged hot transistor radios and jeans, from the back of a Ford Prefect van parked around the corner. Sadly the Union went all tight Chesty Bond singlets in recent years.

Johnno made a fair dollar selling .303 bullets pinched from the school cadet armoury. We used jig sports afternoons as 15 year olds, to disarm them using a vice mounted on his Mum’s kitchen table and recover the explosive for cracker nights.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 12:09 am
Eye of the beholder, etc.

Now you’re just being coy and stupid.

Urban dictionary.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 12:10 am
Renting porn mags, though. Mmm. I’m guessing their condition and quality would be a smidgen hard to maintain.

It was more sales than renting, CL. I found the dudes got tired of the same mag and wanted another, so there was a trade of sorts to be done.

As for quality.. from memory they were in a shocking state. They certainly weren’t collectors standard.

JC, your school years sound like a junior Michael Corleone. LOL.

I was dripping, dripping in cash, but most of it was lost on the pin ball machines greek coffee houses had you could gamble on.

They were funny machines. They were like pin ball machines but with numbered holes the ball had to navigate around then reach a a “good’ number and go down a hole. The number 25 comes to mind, so there were at least 25 holes the ball could go down and “25″ was at the bottom.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 12:12 am
So what did Mousy get up to after he left school Mick?

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 12:13 am
I bought a house many years ago and when moving in I went up into the roof space to check for the location of the aerial cable. I found a dusty scrap book that was full of cut out pictures of womens underwear advertisments going back to the 50′s-60′s.
I guess they were the the remnants of the previous owners teenage son’s home made porn magazine. I’ve heard it said that Victoria’s Secret catalogues are now called Christian porn.

Splatacrobat

13 Dec 12 at 12:15 am
“Now you’re just being coy and stupid.”

So glad you’re not being rude.

Jarrah

13 Dec 12 at 12:16 am
Mousy ran the SP at the Union Hotel in Erskineville when he was sixteen and flogged hot transistor radios and jeans, from the back of a Ford Prefect van parked around the corner. Sadly the Union went all tight Chesty Bond singlets in recent years.

I am pretty sure I have been their completely hammered, I walked up to a table of lesbians and spouted shit for three hours whilst their gay friend wanted to smack shades out of me for rudely stealing his seat.

That night I also learned never to keep pace with an Irish man drinking, nor to smoke a pack of Cohibas in a night.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:16 am
We used jig sports afternoons as 15 year olds, to disarm them using a vice mounted on his Mum’s kitchen table and recover the explosive for cracker nights.

Are you serious? You’d stick a bullet in a vice? I recall that my next door neighbor did that in his dad’s garage to a 22 bullet without the pellet and it blew up. No one was hurt though.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 12:17 am
Well…it felt like three hours.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:18 am
Watching Geordie Shore the other night, I learned that young men now wear singlets out on the town. I also learned that Welshmen have yellow skin, are hairless and spray something on their heads before stepping out. They also have plucked eyebrows. (A barberette asked me several months ago if I wanted my eyebrows trimmed. Agog, I answered ‘no’ quickly as the scissors hovered expectantly).

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 12:22 am
Ol’ Leathery will be pleased.

ABC managing director Mark Scott has defended the ABC and its Sunday morning political show Insiders from criticism that they are dominated by left-wing commentators, saying they are captive of neither the right nor the left.

Mr Scott said the panel comprised political commentators including Phil Coorey, Annabel Crabb, George Megalogenis, Mark Kenny and Malcolm Farr, who were “employed by News Limited and Fairfax, broadsheets and tabloids, and by media outlets around the country”.

“Their task is to provide analysis on the events of the week. Which they do, carrying no ideological badge and pushing no line.”

FMD has this useless fucking apologist ever watched the program? Link.

Abbott should go nuclear on the ABC and break it up into little pieces. If the Managing Director of the collective seriously holds these views it is clear that there is no scope for any incremental reform.

H B Bear

13 Dec 12 at 12:24 am
Are you serious? You’d stick a bullet in a vice? I recall that my next door neighbor did that in his dad’s garage to a 22 bullet without the pellet and it blew up. No one was hurt though.

22′s are more likely to explode as they are rimfire not center fire. Centerfire have the primer in the center and are replaceable. If you pressed a 22 in a vice the rimfire primer would be easier to discharge.

Splatacrobat

13 Dec 12 at 12:26 am
ABC managing director Mark Scott has defended the ABC and its Sunday morning political show Insiders from criticism that they are dominated by left-wing commentators, saying they are captive of neither the right nor the left.

Ahahahahahahaha.

“Their task is to provide analysis on the events of the week. Which they do, carrying no ideological badge and pushing no line.”

Ahahahahahahaha.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 12:27 am
(A barberette asked me several months ago if I wanted my eyebrows trimmed. Agog, I answered ‘no’ quickly as the scissors hovered expectantly).

Give it a few years CL and the question will be ” do you want your ear hair waxed?”

Splatacrobat

13 Dec 12 at 12:28 am
(A barberette asked me several months ago if I wanted my eyebrows trimmed. Agog, I answered ‘no’ quickly as the scissors hovered expectantly).

Men can get their eyebrows, nose and ear hair trimmed. It’s when they start messing around with wax and razors near your chest, arse and gonads that you should snip it off and call yourself Betty.

Infidel Tiger

13 Dec 12 at 12:28 am
CL, what lies. Insiders has become a de facto arm of the ALPs media wing

Nic

13 Dec 12 at 12:35 am
I was sitting in the Queen Street mall early one saturday morning waiting for the shops to open when I was acosted by a young apprentice hairdresser who asked if I would like a free hair cut in return for her getting practical experience.

I went along with her and enjoyed an hour of ample breast being pushed in my face as she struggled to get the correct stance and angle.

The haircut wasn’t half bad and after many apologies about how long it took I reassured her that it was a pleasure to have her cut my hair far better than I had ever had before.

Splatacrobat

13 Dec 12 at 12:40 am
I gather SBS is launching (has launched?) the ITV (Indigenous Television Network) tonight on one of their digital bands. Call me raaacist, but I can’t imagine why the first nations (sic) citizens of oz need their own TV network, nor, given the demise of the Marngrook footy show through lack of demand, that there is sufficient interest to justify this PC white elephant.

Cold-Hands

13 Dec 12 at 12:48 am
Why shouldn’t the Aboriginal Industry have a TV channel?

H B Bear

13 Dec 12 at 12:53 am
I gather SBS is launching (has launched?) the ITV (Indigenous Television Network) tonight on one of their digital bands.

I wonder if they would show re runs of Love thy Neighbour?

ahh the good ol days

Splatacrobat

13 Dec 12 at 12:53 am
… I can’t imagine why the first nations (sic) citizens of oz need their own TV network…

It’s just giving back something that was taken away from them by the invaders.

Before Captain Cook, all Australian television featured Aboriginal content exclusively.

I think Keating mentioned this in the Redfern Speech.

“We took away their teles,” he said (IIRC).

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 1:00 am
On the topic of the ABC, check out Jo Nova’s hatchet job on Sarah Clarke.

Eye candy for JC. More (Sarah Palin)

Poor Old Rafe

13 Dec 12 at 1:02 am
“Are you serious? You’d stick a bullet in a vice?”

There’s your answer JC, from Splatacrobat

“22′s are more likely to explode as they are rimfire not center fire. Centerfire have the primer in the center and are replaceable.”

We’d set the .303 cartridge vertically, bullet up, with the little rim below the jaws, tighten to first refusal and then use pliers on the thick end of the bullet to gently twist and pull it free.

“So what did Mousy get up to after he left school Mick?”

He had left school by 16, Gab, in the last year of the Intermediate Certificate in about ’65 (I did the first Higher School Certificate in ’67). He stayed with the SP for a bit, graduating to the bigger league Kurrajong opposite Erskineville Oval (a “midnight spares” pub back then – you could source anything there). These were the days recounted in Blue Murder which depicted the dress code, mannerisms and language of the boys around that area pretty accurately; and SP-ing and general crookery were honourable pursuits.

A lot of us lost contact after those great teenage days, as families moved from the tiny terraces to outer suburbs like Liverpool where the dunnies and laundries were inside the house, not up the backyard.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 1:09 am
Interesting, thanks Mick. I guess I was hoping he wound up being some big entrepreneur. Or even a small one.

(I did the first Higher School Certificate in ’67).

Gosh. That far back and yet you have all your faculties. Respect.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:13 am
I’m wondering, Mick have you written any books or are you/were a journo? You tell good stories in a most amusing and interesting fashion.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:16 am
Yeah, Mick. Write it down. Write it up.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 1:18 am
Oops. There I go again, giving a compliment. Jarrah will be here shortly to accuse me of knee padding again.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:18 am
Haw, haw, haw!

My darling capitalist daughter in law reckons all the old (“like you, Mick”) and no longer highly economically productive ought to be shot. You’d get on well with her Gab!

Then she sits with me regularly, exploring ways and means of enhancing her business …

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 1:18 am
JC’s life story – from schoolyard rackets chief to New York trader; along the way bumping into Gorbachev and ruining Wifey’s parties – would also be a good read.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 1:20 am
bumping into Gorbachev

He did? Wow.
Curious to know if he managed not to get distracted by Gorby’s birthmark.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:23 am
“I’m wondering, Mick … You tell good stories in a most amusing and interesting fashion.”

A serious answer – excellent English, Latin and French teachers at a common garden high school, whose influence cut in after the event when I landed at university at 21, which I never expected to happen, during my professional cadetship (also unexpected) and later as an expert witness in court, where one must offer clear and well substantiated evidence (very, very unexpected – a lot of mates ended up in the criminal courts as defendants!!!).

A central influence was a fabulous football coach who went on to great things, Warren Ryan. He taught us to be good at it first and then to play with confidence and arrogance. He was then and remains a most articulate man, he expected that of us and his coaching was holistic. I captained under him and he taught me, for example, not to swear – to be better than that.

At 62 I remain ever so grateful for his presence and wisdom during those formative years.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 1:33 am
I am remiss Gab – thank you young lady for your kind words.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 1:36 am
Thanks for that very brief account, Mick. I really do enjoy reading your comments and I encourage you to write a book or two, even if it’s only for the pleasure of it, just to amuse yourself perhaps. It would be something your grandchildren would appreciate. When they are older, of course.

– a lot of mates ended up in the criminal courts as defendants!!!).

Mousy and Johno, lol.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:43 am
Mick Gold Coast Qld,

Ah the days of an oxy-acetylene ‘bomb’ in a balloon tied to No 1 spark plug lead of an obnoxious teacher’s Vauxhall Velox!!!!!!

Mike of Marion

13 Dec 12 at 6:10 am
The last days of Rome:

Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr yesterday further undermined Prime Minister Julia Gillard, declaring that more than 90 per cent of her caucus sided with him about whether to support Israel in the recent United Nations vote on Palestine.

Senator Carr also admitted phoning some MPs a fortnight ago over the issue after Ms Gillard said she wanted Australia to vote with the US against a UN resolution for greater Palestinian recognition.

His comments came after senior Labor MP Michael Danby accused him in yesterday’s Daily Telegraph of “unforgivable” and “unacceptable” behaviour in acting like Roman emperor “Tiberius on the telephone” and organising numbers against Ms Gillard to roll her over the issue.

Senator Carr said Mr Danby had overstated his role but he did, however, confirm hitting the phones – though he only “made very few phone calls”.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 6:27 am
As I have observed before, head honchos at the ABC either go native or end up in the cooking pot. Scott’s state of denial indicates that his axis of reference, like most there, has shifted sideways to the point where they regard themselves as in the centre. All their friends and acquaintances reassure them that this is so, and they are of the one true broadcasting faith, just like their heroes at BBC and NPR.
Balance has become using equal numbers of fairfax and news ltd journos?

Blogstrop

13 Dec 12 at 6:34 am
Carr may want Julia’s job, and sadly, he has more quality than she, but that’s not saying much. Carr’s record in NSW does not inspire confidence in quality government, just adept media spin followed by well timed exit – something the ALP have absorbed into their mainstream operational playbook at state level. Still a bit messy and not quite working smoothly at the Federal!

Blogstrop

13 Dec 12 at 6:42 am
They’ve turned politics into a fruitcake circus, so why not have another freak show in Canberra?:

Mr Assange said plans to register an Australian WikiLeaks party were ”significantly advanced”. He indicated he would be a Senate candidate (in 2013), and added that “a number of very worthy people admired by the Australian public” have indicated their availability to stand for election on a party ticket.

Mr Assange said he is able to fulfil the requirements to register as an overseas elector in either New South Wales or Victoria and that he will shortly take a “strategic decision” about which state he would be a Senate candidate for.

Mr Assange’s biological father, John Shipton, has co-ordinated preparations for the formation of a WikiLeaks party, and a draft of the party’s constitution has been subjected to legal review.

Registration of the party with the Australian Electoral Commission would require confirmation of 500 members who are listed on the electoral roll. Mr Assange hopes that WikiLeaks’ internet presence, which includes a Twitter account with nearly 1.7 million followers and a Facebook page with more than 2.1 million “likes”, and the formation of ”friends of WikiLeaks” groups would mobilise Australian supporters.

He said a WikiLeaks party would advance WikiLeaks’ objectives of promoting openness in government and politics, and it would combat growing intrusions on individual privacy.

If Mr Assange were elected but he was unable to return to Australia to take up his position, a nominee would occupy a Senate seat.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 6:50 am
Mark Scott evidently hasn’t had a conversation with anyone outside the Green Left for the past five years:

Mr Scott said the (Insiders) panel comprised political commentators including Phil Coorey, Annabel Crabb, George Megalogenis, Mark Kenny and Malcolm Farr, who were “employed by News Limited and Fairfax, broadsheets and tabloids, and by media outlets around the country”.

Brain-dead smartarse thinks no-one can see the cute little insult he’s attempting to concoct: George Megalogenis works for the hate media, therefore he is rightwing.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 7:05 am
He has a PhD in history Only the one? And only in one discipline? I imagined him to have more. He’s such a brainiac.

Swoon. He’s dreamy!

[/sarcasm]

Abu Chowdah

13 Dec 12 at 7:22 am
“…era of Blue Murder…”

One of my work colleagues was a patrolman in the early seventies. They used to call in fake burglaries at hardware stores because it was well known Roger Rogerson was an amateur chippie with a police radio in his home and would come out all hours to see what he could scrounge at the scene. They’d park off the store and laugh their arses off when he’d front in his dressing gown and flannels and get pissed off it was a hoax.

Abu Chowdah

13 Dec 12 at 7:31 am
Mr Assange said plans to register an Australian WikiLeaks party were ”significantly advanced”.

Is Mr Assange not currently in the process of defecting to Ecuador? I would have thought that in the process of defecting you would be assumed to have renounced your citizenship.

So how’s that work?

sdog

13 Dec 12 at 7:35 am
Fairfax’s management genius triumphs at subsidiary Fairfax Radio in Melbourne:

SACKED 3AW drive host Derryn Hinch has had the last laugh, claiming a ratings victory in the final survey of 2012.
3AW jumped ahead of former drive king Fox to snare a 12.7 per cent audience share.
”My hunch is that we’ll drop off just a little bit when [new drive host] Tom Elliott starts next year,” 3AW chief Shane Healy says. ”There’ll be a bit of protest over Derryn, but I think listeners will give Tom a chance and he’ll pull them back.”
In August, Hinch was told his contract would not be renewed and he broadcast his final show two weeks ago. His axing surprised many, given his ratings dominance, though the station claims it wanted to ”evolve” its line-up.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 8:17 am
The Most Influential Leftist Woman of 2012 (and the voting is not even close) is … Tim Mathieson.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 8:23 am
Great string of posts at Tim Blair.
Labor gals of the year who were not on the Fairfax list, and others. LOL!

Rafe

13 Dec 12 at 8:24 am
Scott’s state of denial indicates that his axis of reference, like most there, has shifted sideways to the point where they regard themselves as in the centre.

Scott does a great job in that article communicating to his organisations customers/shareholders their concerns are not valid and his organisation has no interest in their input.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 8:27 am
Is Mr Assange not currently in the process of defecting to Ecuador? I would have thought that in the process of defecting you would be assumed to have renounced your citizenship.

Quite so.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 8:30 am
Mark Scott is saying, in my opinion there is no bias and all other opinions are just that, because, shut up.

Hardly a great platform on which to stand.

I await Gerard Henderson’s reply.

Dan

13 Dec 12 at 8:33 am
Forget blacking your face, the victim industry has found a new way to cry racism:

Caroline Wozniacki has been accused of doing a ‘racist’ impersonation of fellow tennis player Serena Williams after stuffing her bra and shorts.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246293/Tennis-player-Caroline-Wozniacki-accused-racist-impersonation-Serena-Williams-stuffing-bra-pants.html#ixzz2EsMgDYow
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The 22-year-old Dane stuffed courtside towels down her kit to mimic the voluptuous figure of Williams

Token

13 Dec 12 at 8:35 am
Lets go to the transcript,

Barry. The PM had trouble selling her message, Malcolm Farr, why is that?
Farr. Because abbott was saying things like “it’s unfunded”, ya know, being negative about this truly great reform which is ridiculous because all we have to do is raise taxes
Barry. Lenore?
Taylor. Oh definitely abbott’s fault.
Barry. Moving on, Gonski?
Savva. Well…..
Taylor. Abbott’s…
Farr…. Fault definitely. The funding isn’t there sure, but that no reason to oppose when we can just raise taxes
Taylor. Absolutely. If it wasn’t for abbott’s negativity we can just slap a levy on the economy and pay for this wondrous reform
Barry. Abbott did canvass a levy for paid parental leave
Taylor/Farr. Outrageous!

Dan

13 Dec 12 at 8:45 am
… to mimic the ~~voluptuous~~ phat figure of Williams

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 8:46 am
Satire is dead.

Dan

13 Dec 12 at 8:58 am
JC’s life story – from schoolyard rackets chief to New York trader; along the way bumping into Gorbachev and ruining Wifey’s parties – would also be a good read.

He also dined with Thatcher.

That’s a true story.

.

13 Dec 12 at 9:07 am
He was also in PBS’s commanding heights.

He’s met “Uncle George”.

His wifey has been on the end of abusive calls from Graeme Bird.

It’s all downhill from here, JC.

.

13 Dec 12 at 9:09 am
George Megalogenis works for the hate media, therefore he is rightwing.

George has jumped ship from News Ltd. to be a full time author, so Scott’s “justification” is even more threadbare.

Cold-Hands

13 Dec 12 at 9:11 am
George Megalogenis works for the hate media, therefore he is rightwing.

Nice to see the megalosaurus smeared as a rightwinger. However, why anyone would see him as anything other than a derisory self-beclowning buffoon is beyond comprehension.

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 9:31 am
Hey Rabz, has the mole on a “Well-earned Break” or has he/she got an opinion on the glorius Newspoll from earler in the week?

Token

13 Dec 12 at 9:32 am
So much fertilizer.

In which Emerson… ha ha ha… tells us that AbbottAbbottAbbott, Brough, Pyne and others are unfit to hold office… ha ha ha!

kae

13 Dec 12 at 9:39 am
has the mole on a “Well-earned Break” or has he/she got an opinion on the glorius Newspoll from earler in the week?

Tokes, he was quite befuddled by it all, stating that the AWU affair seemed to have negatively impacted on lardarse (gee, who’da thunk it?).

He considered it great news for fatboy rudd, however.

P.S. My own Well Earned Break™ is looming – tomorrow is my last day at work for four weeks!

Hooray!

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 9:39 am
Tokes, he was quite befuddled by it all, stating that the AWU affair seemed to have negatively impacted on lardarse (gee, who’da thunk it?).

Reading M0nty’s comments on the topic, denial is not just a river in Africa.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 9:45 am
Some guy has died of a heart attack while dancing to Gangnam Style. This makes the tally of confirmed deaths due to Gangnam style one. Meanwhile the confirmed deaths due to climate change remains at zero.

Look out for a conference in a far off exotic location to be announced so that we formulate a global response to this new and deadly threat to our existence.

Steve

13 Dec 12 at 9:49 am
The Elmo scandal continues to rage on in the US:

Another man on Monday sued the former Elmo puppeteer who resigned amid sex abuse allegations, claiming the voice actor befriended him in Miami and promised to be a father figure before flying the teen to New York to have sex with him.

The alleged victim is now the fourth to accuse Kevin Clash, who resigned from “Sesame Street” last month after 28 years. The three legal actions filed so far have been civil cases seeking financial compensation.

But the incident with the latest victim, referred to only as S.M., could involve criminal charges because the lawsuit claims Clash transported him across state lines for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity.

The ABC, PBS & BBC all have serious issues with staff over the past year on similar issues.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 9:56 am
Who in their right mind is propping up Fairfax?

$0.49 – way up from $0.35 some weeks ago

Mike of Marion

13 Dec 12 at 10:01 am
Over at Blair’s poll for Woman of the Year, Tim Mathieson is winning handily.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 11:06 am
Why the Brits were legitimate targets of war:

British government colluded in Belfast lawyer’s murder.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 11:10 am
“$0.49 – way up from $0.35 some weeks ago”

Dead cat bounce?

Jarrah

13 Dec 12 at 11:12 am
A good article on an overlooked area of wasteful welfare in the US.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40595178/

According to Harvard professor Judith Grant Long and economist Andrew Zimbalist, the average public contribution to the total capital and operating cost per sports stadium from 2000 to 2006 was between $249 and $280 million. A fantastic interactive map at Deadspin estimates that the total cost to the public of the 78 pro stadiums built or renovated between 1991 and 2004 was nearly $16 billion. That’s enough to build three Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

…

Still, at least the county gets to enjoy the job-creating, local business-boosting gold mine of 10 NFL games a year, right? Wrong. Numerous studies have shown that the local economic impact of stadium construction is nil. Dennis Coates, an economics professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, calculates that “the professional sports environment” — that is, having stadiums and teams in a particular area — may actually reduce local incomes.

…

But wait. There’s more. Bigger handouts, written directly into the federal tax code. Steve Piascik, a registered financial adviser with the NFL Players’ Association, says that when leagues donate the fines to charity — as the NFL, NBA and others do — offending players can deduct the expense on their income tax returns. Did you enjoy Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed’s recent above-the-shoulder hit on Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Emmanuel Sanders, which resulted in $50,000 fine? Hope so. In a tiny way, you sprung for it. Meanwhile, the Internal Revenue Service allows team owners to treat players and their salaries as both regular expenses and depreciable assets — the same as aging livestock, or office computers — a legal quirk that makes team rosters tax deductible in two different ways, and effectively creates a profit-hiding tax shelter.

Jarrah

13 Dec 12 at 11:33 am
Is Mr Assange not currently in the process of defecting to Ecuador? I would have thought that in the process of defecting you would be assumed to have renounced your citizenship.

Seeking asylum in a country is not the same as defecting. Though I wonder if he would be successfully extradited from Australia if he could get here (the bar is most likely quite a bit higher than intra EU extraditions).

It was reported that he mentioned he thought that the Swedish extradition would most likely be dropped in the first half of 2013. If that happens then he’ll be able to travel back to Australia anyway

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 11:41 am
Jarrah

Seriously, that is just like the Sydney Olympic games.

Your lifetime income is an asset, except it is hard to quantify.

I don’t have an objection ton those rules being for everyone, it just shows how inefficient income taxes are.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:05 pm
Bronwyn Bishop on screaming Green moonbat Alan Jones today implied the ALP voted fraudulently 16 000 times last Federal election.

She says we ought to have electronically linked voter registration and roll marking for elections, particularly if we have automatic enrolment.

Even more pressing reasons to have voluntary voting, considering that compulsory voting is touted as a reason for automatic enrolment.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:08 pm
Will Aging Childless Voters Enslave My Future Grandchildren?

We already have yummy mummies enslaving their own husbands and gay dudes with either hen pecking or taxpayer funded bonanzas.

It’s every man for himself until the welfare state collapses.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:12 pm
I often get the impression that the Oz sometimes pulls its punches as the government dangles Finkelstein over its head. Here’s proof the so called conservative govenment in the UK is doing this very thing to the Telegraph with Leveson.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9740252/Key-David-Cameron-aide-Craig-Oliver-threatens-Telegraph-over-Leveson.html

Viva

13 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
Jarrah – the government is spending $500 million in upgrading the stadium for Cricket/Football in Adelaide which could have been spent much better elsewhere. Given how much money the AFL and cricket draw I don’t see why they couldn’t just pay for it themselves.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 12:25 pm
Exactly.

I’m not clipping Michael Clarke’s ticket, so I don’t want to invest in him.

That’s what corporate bovver boys and spivs are for.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:27 pm
She says we ought to have electronically linked voter registration and roll marking for elections, particularly if we have automatic enrolment.

Why does roll marking need to be electronic – I can see how it could be cheaper to do so, but the AEC have to check the rolls anyway to send out fines and during that process they would discover anyone who voted multiple times. Compulsory voting also makes it a lot harder to get away with voting as someone else without their knowledge as it will turn up as someone voting twice.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 12:28 pm
Why does roll marking need to be electronic – I can see how it could be cheaper to do so, but the AEC have to check the rolls anyway to send out fines and during that process they would discover anyone who voted multiple times

THINK MC FLY, THINK

If *you* voted 43 times, why would it be right to fine you?

Hint: the fraudster doesn’t engage in electoral fraud IN THEIR OWN NAME!

HELLO? ANYONE HOME MC FLY?!

I didn’t think this was an issue until it pinged that we have a hung Parliament, 16000 fraudulent votes and marginal electorates go down to 500-1000 votes.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:36 pm
Great spot Viva – I’ve opened up a post.

Sinclair Davidson

13 Dec 12 at 12:36 pm
I didn’t think this was an issue until it pinged that we have a hung Parliament, 16000 fraudulent votes and marginal electorates go down to 500-1000 votes.

Just because its electronic doesn’t mean that they’d bother cross check them straight away – especially as they’re busy actually counting the votes.

If the number of fraudulent votes in an electorate is greater than the margin that a candidate won by then certainly I think there should be a bi-election. Has that been the case in any of the electorates at the last election?

Incidentally re: automatic enrollment – it would be rather handy if when I changed by address for my driver’s licence if that information was automatically sent to the AEC to update my enrollment details.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 12:42 pm
Just because its electronic doesn’t mean that they’d bother cross check them straight away – especially as they’re busy actually counting the votes.

Have you ever bought something on eBay that’s already sold?

No.

That’s how the internet can work, if you programme it to.

Incidentally re: automatic enrollment – it would be rather handy if when I changed by address for my driver’s licence if that information was automatically sent to the AEC to update my enrollment details.

This is what makes me paugh about automatic enrolment.

A few years ago, my mate finished an apprenticeship in Sydney and got a job in regional NSW. The AEC tried to fine/sent threatening letters to him three times for not updating his address details, but he voted during that time.

I think that’s what happened. It was a complete and utter mess for him.

.

13 Dec 12 at 12:45 pm
We don’t want any aspect of the electoral system becoming electronic.

End compulsory voting. Paper and pencil only.

Infidel Tiger

13 Dec 12 at 12:56 pm
Mr Kate Ellis seems determined not to let Mr Anne Summers monopolise wrong-headedness over on The Dumb.

Here’s why the Liberals are responsible for Australian school kids being dumber than a box of hammers. Or maybe they are just reading The Punch.

H B Bear

13 Dec 12 at 1:00 pm
???

If you were really committed, you’d vote with a pen.

That’s a good point IT. I’m not worried about immediate results. It is too easy to get your name marked off.

It’s harder to sell shares you own registered with those computershare dickheads than it is to prove who you are to vote in Australia.

.

13 Dec 12 at 1:02 pm
End compulsory voting …

Get ready to be denounced as a fascist. The leftist morons who infest this site have already repeatedly demonstrated they have no inkling of what the concept of voluntary voting actually is.

Isn’t that correct, chris, you stupid, dishonest plonker?

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 1:03 pm
How…the…fark…can doing something voluntarily be denounced as fascist?

Ooh you fascist, supporting a free press, secure private property rights, habeas corpus, low taxes, no corporate welfare, no conscription…

.

13 Dec 12 at 1:11 pm
How…the…fark…can doing something voluntarily be denounced as fascist?

C’mon leftards, let’s hear why!

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 1:12 pm
Incidentally re: automatic enrollment – it would be rather handy if when I changed by address for my driver’s licence if that information was automatically sent to the AEC to update my enrollment details.

LOL, when I moved states a few years back I did not change my license for 4 years.

I was told the state motor agency would not honour the last 4 years of my 10 year licence as my new state didn’t give out licenses that long.

Mind you, as an adult I took responsibility to re-enroll to vote and change my mailing address for all other purposes.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 1:30 pm
Get ready to be denounced as a fascist. The leftist morons who infest this site have already repeatedly demonstrated they have no inkling of what the concept of voluntary voting actually is.

You give them too much credit, they know, they choose to demonise you over the non-existent problem of voter supression as they are understand it is an effective way of manipulating people through their negative emotions (hate, envy, spite) as their lies and distortions to vote against their own best interests.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 1:33 pm
I was told the state motor agency would not honour the last 4 years of my 10 year licence as my new state didn’t give out licenses that long.

They have mutual recognition of each other’s fines and demerit points though.

How convenient.

.

13 Dec 12 at 1:35 pm
How…the…fark…can doing something voluntarily be denounced as fascist?

You’ve seen them demand we Shut Up and stop demanding justice over incompetence, corruption and especially over lawyers who assist union officials stealing money from corporations & accident funds.

Why would they blink at that challenge?

Token

13 Dec 12 at 1:35 pm
How…the…fark…can doing something voluntarily be denounced as fascist?

It’s the same mindset as that of a rabid leftie wingnut announcing that Libertarians are totalitarians. Loony tunes stuff.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 1:58 pm
We don’t want any aspect of the electoral system becoming electronic

Too late. The federal senate vote count is already electronic.

I think electronic roll marking is a lot less dangerous. But it wouldn’t be particularly cheap to have a networked system like dot is proposing for a fairly ambiguous gain. But if enough fraudulent votes have occurred in an electorate such that they could have changed the result then yes I agree it needs to be addressed urgently. Did this occur at the last election?

It doesn’t need to be a live check either, knowing before the result was official is probably good enough.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 2:11 pm
Mind you, as an adult I took responsibility to re-enroll to vote and change my mailing address for all other purposes.

Australia post has a service where they will automatically send address updates to companies for any mail that you receive at your old address. Doesn’t work for electoral enrollment though

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 2:13 pm
By the way, Gab – thank you for your kindness (which I don’t deserve). You have always been a generous, complimenting person to all commenters whose contributions you appreciate. The feeling is mutual. Ignore the peanut gallery.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 2:14 pm
Too late. The federal senate vote count is already electronic.

Nope.

Septimus

13 Dec 12 at 2:27 pm
Septimus – from the AEC website

After election night the AEC conducts the Central Senate Scrutiny (CSS) process in each state and territory. The Senate scrutiny and the distribution of preferences are conducted using a computer application. This involves data entry of all ballot papers marked below the line. Ballot papers marked above the line only are entered as a single total for each group. The computerised system calculates the quota, distributes preferences and determines the result of the Senate election.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 3:06 pm
Australia post has a service where they will automatically send address updates to companies for any mail that you receive at your old address. Doesn’t work for electoral enrollment though

True, but I have to quality control the process and ensure all changes have been made. Insurance companies, telco’s, etc won’t just accept a change of address as premiums, products, etc changer per location

Token

13 Dec 12 at 3:10 pm
Why do you know better than economists about the economy?

This coming from Dot who regularly says he knows better than Treasury about the Australian economy, better than the IPCC about climate change, and better than Stephen Hawking about the beginning of the universe.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 3:38 pm
How these these Labor-created bureaucracies only ever rule in favour of leftwing causes:

Controversial broadcaster Alan Jones has been ordered to apologise over comments he made in 2005 describing Lebanese Muslims as ”vermin” and ”mongrels”.

The Administrative Decisions Tribunal has ordered Jones to apologise on his 2GB radio show between 8am and 8.30am any day next week over the comments he made on-air in April 2005.

It comes two months after Jones lost a lengthy legal bid to overturn the 2009 decision, which found he incited hatred, serious contempt and severe ridicule of Lebanese Muslims.

The complaint related to comments he made on April 28 about a Nine Network current affairs story reportedly showing young men of Lebanese origin taunting police.

The march through the institutions continues.

Tom

13 Dec 12 at 3:50 pm
I’m just jealous, CL. Gab never sings “Com hidder to me my love”, to me.

Abu Chowdah

13 Dec 12 at 4:23 pm
Well if you hum a few bars I might be able to, Abu.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 4:35 pm
This coming from Dot who regularly says he knows better than Treasury about the Australian economy, better than the IPCC about climate change, and better than Stephen Hawking about the beginning of the universe.

You stupid, fat lying fuckhead munty. You’re too stupid to use chopsticks without hurting yourself.

You really are that stupid.

That ought to be a lesson to you, never to rise above your station, or even think about it.

1. Treasury lies about their figures, they wouldn’t release carbon price modelling. That smacks of academic dishonesty. Usually information in research isn’t released for a limited time. Treasury simply refuses to put their numbers out. I know people in or from Treasury and they are good economists and good people. Rudd, Swan and Gillard have ruined it as an institution. They have ruined the long term career prospects of the grads there. The people to blame there are Rudd, Gillard and Swan. Even the Henry report was actually good – Swan took on 4 of 128 recommendations and botched all four of them, contrary to the advice Henry gave him. Do you want to tell me why Sinclair did a couple of hours of digging and found Treasury had some misleading graphs when analysing the stimulus packages?

You are the kind of carping chimp that supports this Government 110%.

2. The IPCC does not consist entirely of physicists and geologists. Furthermore their modelling does not use correct time series procedures. The IPCC also reckoned the world’s glacier’s would disappear by 2035. The guy who approved of this is a railway engineer and a part time chick/lit soft porn author.

3. Steven Hawking? When the fuck did I say that, 40 year old virgin? I think his explanation of the anthropic principle is weak. I had his History of the Universe on tape when I was a kid. It was the only thing he didn’t explain well.

Shut up you fat, brain dead loser.

.

13 Dec 12 at 4:35 pm
LOL, Dot confirms that he thinks he’s the smartest man in the world.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 4:44 pm
True, but I have to quality control the process and ensure all changes have been made. Insurance companies, telco’s, etc won’t just accept a change of address as premiums, products, etc changer per location

Oh sure. It’s just that it’d be nice that if I’d only have to tell the government of a change of address once. Eg drivers licence change would (perhaps with permission) automatically flow through to medicare, electoral system, tax office etc.

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 4:46 pm
LOL, Dot confirms that he thinks he’s the smartest man in the world.

How stupid can you be, monty?

I only claimed Swan is malign influence on Treasury and quite dumb (confirmed by the psychopath Rudd), as a child I used to fawn over Hawkings but he left only ONE issue poorly answered from but ONE book and that the IPCC should select their staff better and take the issues of cointegration and stationairty more seriously.

Did I say I was going to win the Fields medal?

You fucking deadshit.

Please monty. Move away from the chopsticks before you use up valuable public hospital beds.

.

13 Dec 12 at 4:49 pm
Oh sure. It’s just that it’d be nice that if I’d only have to tell the government of a change of address once. Eg drivers licence change would (perhaps with permission) automatically flow through to medicare, electoral system, tax office etc.

We don’t need an Australia card for that, either.

.

13 Dec 12 at 4:51 pm
stationairty–>stationarity

but you already assumed so

.

13 Dec 12 at 4:52 pm
I only claimed that I am perfect and everyone else is wrong.

There Dot, FTFY.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 5:03 pm
Why do you even bother monty? You have the reasoning skills of a child. “Telling me I’m wrong means you’re a narcissist”.

The upshot of this is that you actually think Wayne Swan is a good Treasurer.

The poor prick didn’t even understand the difference between the current account and Government debt when he was debating Costello in the election before last.

.

13 Dec 12 at 5:12 pm
We don’t need an Australia card for that, either.

No, I don’t see any need for an Australia card. Although in practice the medicare card has served as a defacto identity card in many cases, though without a photo it is of limited use (or misuse).

Chris

13 Dec 12 at 5:13 pm
Why do you even bother monty? You have the reasoning skills of a child. “Telling me I’m wrong means you’re a narcissist”.

This from the lad who swears and changes the subject every time he loses an argument. Which is to say: most of them.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 5:18 pm
This from the lad who swears and changes the subject every time he loses an argument. Which is to say: most of them.

How did I lose the above argument, shithead?

I swear because I’m frustrated debating such dishonest shills like you.

.

13 Dec 12 at 5:35 pm
How did I lose the above argument

You accused me of acting like I knew better than authorised experts, so I pointed out all the authorised experts you think you know better than, then encouraged you to restate where you think they are wrong. You obliged in spades, hilariously. Classic hoisting by thine own petard.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 5:39 pm
You accused me of acting like I knew better than authorised experts

You’re not an expert in anything monty.

My criticisms of Treasury, Swan and the IPCC are valid.

Go ahead, play the ball, not the man.

so I pointed out all the authorised experts you think you know better than

Except I never said that, unless you think Wayne Swan is an expert on economics, or that Pachuri can be so dishonest about glaciation and still be considered an “expert”.

What do you get out this monty? You are just getting your arse kicked over and over again and declaring victory.

then encouraged you to restate where you think they are wrong

No monty, you lied, I clarified what I ACTUALLY said, to stop your silly verballing of me.

Yes you did that. You know, FTFY.

.

13 Dec 12 at 5:45 pm
Oh sure. It’s just that it’d be nice that if I’d only have to tell the government of a change of address once. Eg drivers licence change would (perhaps with permission) automatically flow through to medicare, electoral system, tax office etc.

Agreed.

I noted the issue with the license as an example of why we should have veto over the process.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 5:48 pm
My criticisms of Treasury, Swan and the IPCC are valid.

Dot is the world’s leading expert on economics and climate change, respect his AUTHORITAH!

Haha, you’re such a clown.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 5:50 pm
Dot is the world’s leading expert on economics and climate change, respect his AUTHORITAH!

Haha, you’re such a clown.

They are valid.

Why did the IPCC publish that glaciers were going to melt by 2035, defend it for a little while, then back down as a typo?

Please tell us why Swan was right to only pick up 4 of 128 recommendations in the Henry report, and to fuck up everyone one of them ?

I’m a clown because I expect international agencies to be honest about a scientific study which may result in a round of new taxes, and I expect the Federal Treasurer to be competent?

No monty. You’re just upset people in the public don’t take crap off the ALP willingly.

This claim of beclowning is coming from a dishonest arsewipe who can’t use chopsticks without hurting himself.

.

13 Dec 12 at 5:55 pm
Post-Racial America:

A Democratic senator hired an unpaid intern who was an undocumented immigrant but a documented sex offender. Apparently Senator Menendez needed an immigrant to do sex offending that Americans won’t do.

Meanwhile, Representative Jim Moran is “embarrassed” by the revelation that his voter-fraud-orchestrating son smashed his girlfriend’s face into a garbage can and pleaded guilty to assault. The girlfriend appears to be doing what she can to make the story go away. But don’t worry, the phrase “war on women” may still only be used to describe people who don’t want to pay for someone else’s birth control. No word if anyone on the left will be expressing their gratitude for the Violence Against Women Act for this.

Over in Michigan, defenders of the union protestors who tore down an Americans for Prosperity tent are heading toward trutherism, suggesting that it was all a set up, the canvas-and-rope equivalent of the Reichstag fire. No word yet if anyone is claiming the Jews inside the tent got advance notice.

Oh, and after months — nay years — of rhetoric from the president and his proxies about how taxes are simply a sign of neighborliness and the dues we pay to live in this great country, we learn that Obama’s staff owe nearly a million dollars in back taxes.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 5:59 pm
You’re the f*cking clown m0nty.

I remember your embarrassment at being intellectually beaten by Pat Hannagan and thank fuck dot was there to argue the prick out the door.

And then you use a South Park ism, despite the fact the show mercilessly destroys feeble fuckers like you.

What a sad lonely twat you are.

harrys on the boat

13 Dec 12 at 6:00 pm
They are valid.

Let me sum up this conversation.

Dot: You’re making a fallacious appeal to authority!
Me: LOL, you think you’re more authoritative than any authority.
Dot: I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.

m0nty

13 Dec 12 at 6:00 pm
Sounds hauntingly familiar for some reason:

Michigan has passed a modest labor reform, and the result has been threats and violence from Democratic elected officials and their union henchmen. While this is deplorable, it is not surprising: Organized labor’s business model is mechanically identical to extortion, and it is in the nature of the extortionist’s trade to resort to violence when frustrated.

I suspect any IR reform by the Abbott government will not be met with polite and peaceful protest on the lawns of parliament.

Token

13 Dec 12 at 6:03 pm
Dot, what monty is telling you to do is to shut up because he believes you have no right to offer a dissenting opinion to him and how dare you criticize his religion and government.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 6:04 pm
Any update on the St Doris Day fiasco M0nty ?

jumpnmcar

13 Dec 12 at 6:05 pm
Dot: You’re making a fallacious appeal to authority!
Me: LOL, you think you’re more authoritative than any authority.
Dot: I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.

Again, you are lying, because you have a tantrum when people don’t accept ALP policy as a guide to better living, you institutionalist you.

.

13 Dec 12 at 6:05 pm
I found this article on the laws f space awesomely interesting.

In summary they are some UN bullshit piece of rubbish – fun fact: you are under the juristiction of your home nation as you orbit Saturn – that basically block any commercial activity in a sense.

Anyway, a possible solution..

The act as currently drafted would permit the first claim on the Moon to be no larger than 600,000 square miles — roughly 4 percent of the total lunar area, or about the area of the state of Alaska. The first claim on Mars could be up to 3.6 million square miles — roughly 6 percent of its area, or about the area of the United States. Each subsequent claim is reduced by 15 percent of the previous, and no entity is allowed multiple concurrent claims on the same body, so as to prevent monopolies. For asteroids or other bodies, claims of up to 600,000 square miles would be allowed, unless the body had total area of less than a million square miles, in which case the entire body could be claimed. Claims staked on the Moon, Mars, or asteroids would have to have a “contiguous, reasonably compact shape.”

Huge incentive to invest in a Moon Shot company, as they will sell off their land later. Huge incentive to be one of the first to land there.

Win and win.

Oh, he has this line which I fully agree with – these people are freaks:

Many environmentalists can be counted upon to criticize what they will view as the pillaging or contaminating of the solar system; their opposition to the settlement and development of space will likely lead to discussions about the price we’re willing to pay for economic growth and development.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 7:22 pm
Forgot the link.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 7:25 pm
Many environmentalists can be counted upon to criticize what they will view as the pillaging or contaminating of the solar system; their opposition to the settlement and development of space will likely lead to discussions about the price we’re willing to pay for economic growth and development.

Nothing more I like than the taste of pollution free, sub zero vacuum and lethal cosmic rays.

So I can see where they’re coming from.

.

13 Dec 12 at 7:27 pm
Dot I threw that in as an attention getting quote lol

Freaks.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 7:46 pm
Combet’s girl was pleased to read an item on the ABC TV
News tonight which included a bit about aides typing the tweets, although, she said, they’ll always be the Pope’s own words.
Unfortunately the “quality” ABC jounalists’ AM program this morning undermined this process and the integrity of news reporting yet again by misquoting the pontiff. Part of his initial tweet went “I bless all of you from my heart”, but AM’s front man reported this as “from the bottom of my heart”.

blogstrop

13 Dec 12 at 7:49 pm
This survey, being from RMIT, has probably surfaced here already…but it surprised me.

AUSTRALIAN chief executive officers are earning less than we think, according to a recent survey.
Peer-to-peer membership organisation The CEO Institute, which has been operating throughout Australia for more than 20 years, commissioned RMIT University to conduct an online survey into CEO remuneration that was representative of the full two million-plus businesses operating in Australia.

Nearly 40% of respondents said they received $A100,000-200,000 per annum.

jumpnmcar

13 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
Here tis.
Sorry for the delay, my net connection is shit today.

jumpnmcar

13 Dec 12 at 8:13 pm
Hey Dot.

Question…I think an interesting one.

Talk around the traps is that the large US banks will commence capital return to stockholders next year.

Is that bullish or bearish as I honestly can’t figure it out.

Here’s the two sides.

Bearish.

Banks are returning surplus capital because they have no business with growth prospects that can absorb the surplus.

Bullish.

Less capital means making do with less which is always good and ups the return on capital.

I think I’m more inclined for the bearish argument to be honest.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 8:15 pm
I’m more inclined but I really can’t decide.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 8:15 pm
JC

I think unfortunately the second may be correct, going on the most up to date forecasts.

Seems like they’ll be doing share buybacks?

.

13 Dec 12 at 8:26 pm
What a piece of gold

http://gillardgate.com/

Sign the petition

.

13 Dec 12 at 8:29 pm
Yay for freedom!

The Victorian Liberals have banned solariums.

Also in AUSTRALIA WATCH this week:

The Feds have tried to ban stickers.

A gay man has been refused his day in court because he talked to another man.

Lobby groups have tried to outlaw cheap booze.

Keep on rocking Australia, you wild crazy bastard!

Infidel Tiger

13 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm
An interesting bit of verbal news i got today – Bluescope Steel has scrubbed their contract with Silco for maintenance at the Westernport plant and 180 guys are to be made redundant on Monday.

Carpe Jugulum

13 Dec 12 at 8:32 pm
JC

You ought to invest in Australia’s yoof. See my comment on the Principal-agent problem post, 13 Dec 12.26 pm.

Bloody good idea, I reckon!

.

13 Dec 12 at 8:36 pm
Free speech – under siege across the ‘western’ world:

Canadians need to adopt an attitude of non-compliance with regards to censorship. At every opportunity, they ought to take steps to incrementally expand the scope of free speech – and to stare down those who would censor them, and who have come to expect obedience and compliance.

From an interview with the mighty Ezra Levant.

Rabz

13 Dec 12 at 8:52 pm
Challenge issued:

Don’t arrest me: Sea Shepherd boss plans Australian visit.

Anti-whaling crusader Paul Watson hopes to come to Australia early next year. But he may face arrest if he does — and he’s challenged the Australian Federal Police to leave him alone.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 9:39 pm
he’s challenged the Australian Federal Police to leave him alone.

The guy is the worst of criminals much like the Yippies and Weather Underground.

Basically a lawless, I hesitate to say terrorist in these times, self opinionated creep who believes laws aren’t for him and his tribe.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 9:41 pm
http://centrebet.com/#Sports/2062830

Infidel Tiger

13 Dec 12 at 9:54 pm
Sea Shepherd is this generation’s Che T-Shirt.

Infidel Tiger

13 Dec 12 at 9:56 pm
nudging 4s on Labor?

Too high, gotta be a jolt bet.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 10:27 pm
jolt bet = small market and a one grand drop or something like that.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 10:29 pm
I’m off to Seth Africa in the morn.

While I’m away, please no squabbling during the festive season and please be nice to others. They’re human too, you know.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
And Ladies, remove the bricks from the handbags.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
See-ya, JC.

Have fun.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 10:37 pm
Bon voyage, JC. Buy your wife diamonds while you’re over there.

Safe travels.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
Tim Mathieson wins the prestigious Most Influential Leftist Woman of 2012 Award.

C.L.

13 Dec 12 at 10:39 pm
Tim Mathieson wins the prestigious Most Influential Leftist Woman of 2012 Award.

There was probably trouble in paradise tonight – Miss Andrist would not have been amused as she stepped into the Tim-drawn bath – Timmy all aglow, emerged triumphant from the Shed to collect the prize in the Blair Boys poll.

Tintarella di Luna

13 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Tanya Plibersek was 2nd.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 11:05 pm
JC – have fun.

Sinclair Davidson

13 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm
Bon voyage, JC. Buy your wife diamonds while you’re over there.

Only if it’s a “blood diamond”, Gab. They’re cheaper.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 11:12 pm
Even if not, diamonds are cheaper over there and therefore you would make a saving :

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 11:14 pm
Lol… oh yea the saving schtick. Like I’ve never heard that before.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 11:16 pm
Sinc I reckon my link to space law is worth a post.

It’s very interesting and libertarian.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 11:17 pm
7.22 pm and a follow up

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 11:18 pm
I’m off to Seth Africa in the morn.

24 hours and our paths would have crossed at the airport. My daughter and her family are returning from Cape Town on Saturday. Won’t be any diamonds, blood or otherwise. More’s the pity.

Enjoy the break. Not sure about the being nice to others thing. Not what I am used to.

Megan

13 Dec 12 at 11:19 pm
Many environmentalists can be counted upon to criticize what they will view as the pillaging or contaminating of the solar system; their opposition to the settlement and development of space will likely lead to discussions about the price we’re willing to pay for economic growth and development.

They will of course.

But didn’t you know the universe has limits. We could easily go through it in the next trillion years. Think of the future generations.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 11:21 pm
I like this dude more and more.

Rand Paul: Let Dems raise taxes and own the result

Are higher taxes inevitable? If they are, Senator Rand Paul wants no Republican fingerprints on them. Last night, he told Greta van Susteren on Fox News that House Republicans should pass a bill with their specific plan to cut spending and fix the tax code to address the fiscal-cliff issues, and dare the Senate to take it up. If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting “present” to allow Democrats to pass the bill. That way, the economic damage from tax hikes will be totally owned by Democrats, and Republicans will have kept their hands clean.

JC

13 Dec 12 at 11:32 pm
JC do you follow the US politics?

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 11:43 pm
Some really good photos of the Prime Minister with the troops.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 11:44 pm
hahaha.

Gab

13 Dec 12 at 11:46 pm
Somewhat Dave f although humbled by the last election result

Jc　

13 Dec 12 at 11:50 pm
“I’m off to Seth Africa in the morn”

Find a local bookie JC and drop a quid for me on Cape Town for the Super 12s win next season.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Dec 12 at 11:52 pm
JC not a great result.

DaveF

13 Dec 12 at 11:59 pm
Find a local bookie JC and drop a quid for me on Cape Town for the Super 12s win next season.

Mick, I thought the Stormers were a big chance mid way through the season, but at some point they forgot that the objective of the game is touch the ball down in the opposition’s in goal area. It’s something we in the colonies call scoring a try and they forgot how to do it. If they can do a bit of that next year and keep that incredible defence you’d have to think they’ll go the distance.

tbh

14 Dec 12 at 12:02 am
Obama’s strategy for fighting terrorists.

The Obama Administration has ordered changes in a new military handbook to now forbid U.S soldiers from criticizing the Taliban.

In addition, our men in uniform are forbidden to disparage pedophilia. Even further, our soldiers are instructed not to speak of women’s rights. Or homosexuality. Or criticism of Afghans at all.

The manual, which runs 75 pages, insinuates that the reason for the insider attacks among our troops by Muslims is that we are ignorant of Afghani culture. The handbook intones: “Better situational awareness/understanding of Afghan culture will help better prepare [troops] to more effectively partner and to avoid cultural conflict that can lead toward green-on-blue violence.”

It’s our insensitivity that fosters the sneak attacks inside our armed services.

63 of our soldiers have been murdered in almost 40 insider attacks just this year.

U.S. Marine General John Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan, “does not approve of its contents,” according to a military spokesman.

This follows an Obama Administration decision in 2012 that removed any materials that portrayed Muslims negatively. The FBI was ordered by Obama to eviscerate instructional material that shows Muslims as violent or open to becoming terrorists.

And it’s not just the FBI; almost all federal agencies are now tasked with Muslim outreach. The Justice Department has an Islamic civil rights program, Homeland Security has coffee with Muslim organizations that are radical, and even NASA was pushed on Muslim diplomacy.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 12:13 am
“If they can do a bit of that next year and keep that incredible defence you’d have to think they’ll go the distance”

True, true – I’m putting much faith in the almost-made-it-experience of 2012 plus the return of the estimable Schalk Burger. Of course their (and the Springboks’) gorgeous physio René Naylor is worth a couple of bonus points in my book as well.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

14 Dec 12 at 12:16 am
Of course their (and the Springboks’) gorgeous physio René Naylor is worth a couple of bonus points in my book as well.

She’s something else isn’t she?

tbh

14 Dec 12 at 12:17 am
Gillard bungles hospital ‘reform.’

JULIA Gillard’s national health reforms are in danger of missing their first targets as most patients spend up to 15 hours in emergency wards, despite a vow last year to reduce delays to a fraction of the time.

Labor’s hospital goals at risk as reform milestones missed.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 12:42 am
Serial humbug Greg Craven – chancellor of the Australian ‘Catholic’ ‘University’ – avoids judging Gillard and Labor responsible for an historically unprecedented campaign of sleaze and lies – pretends they’re both to blame and both victims.

Snippet:

Gillard’s entire future is to be determined by a virtually impossible retrospective judgment on whether she ran a seriously messy legal file 20 years ago.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 12:49 am
Can there be any doubt that Curtin’s ALP were commies? How close the nation came to suffering a fate worse than Britains post war suffocation. Here was future ALP leader Doc Evatt urging people to give the federal government full and total power over the nation after the war via the 14 points referendum and bah humbug to those people “prating” on about “freedom”:

STATES CAN EXERCISE ALL I 14 POWERS I ROCKHAMPTON, August 7.— The Curtin Government was not asking the people to create new powers, said tbe Federal Attorney-General (Dr. Ev&tt) at a meeting in support of a ‘Yes’ vote at the referendum. Every State Parliament always had been able to, and could to-day, exercise each of the 14 powers. ‘We simply are asking the people to place the responsibility where it can best be discharged for the purpose of providing Jobs, homes, stable prices, national development, economic security, and freedom from exploitation,’ said Dr. Evatt.

The Army Minister (Mr. Forde) and Mm. Evatt also spoke, and the two were given an excellent reception. Dr. Evatt said that by conferring the powers the people would strengthen their democratic rights. At the outbreak of war Australia had 250,000 unemployed, and the people had begun to accept wholesale mass unemployment as a normal state of affairs. In the Federal Government’s view that was defeatist and hopeless attitude to adopt. The Government was determined to plan against unemployment and the dole, and never to admit defeat until the lull employment of wartime was made continuous in time of peace. Dr. Evatt said that some people opposed to the proposals did nothing but utter catch cries, prating of freedom and liberty. Those were noble ideals, but when an exploiter sppke of freedom he meant his freedom to exploit the people. When a profiteer spoke of freedom he meant unrestricted right to make such profits as be liked. There could be no real freedom unless there was also economic freedom or freedom from want.

The proposed amendment of the Constitution was only temporary, and the Commonwealth Government would protect the democratic rights of the people. No general question of socialisation was Involved, but at the same time, as Mr. Curtin had warned the people, in the period of transition from war to peace some general supervision must be likened to a giant clock that had been wound up. The unwinding must be done gradually and smoothly. If it were let down with a bang there would be chaos in the country, and that had to be avoided. Australia must profit from the lessons of the past and clothe Parliament with the powers agreed upon at the Canberra Convention as being necessary to safe guard returning servicemen and women from profiteers and racketeers.

Thankfully the good people of QLD, NSW, Victoria and…Tasmania? Killed the attempted coup stone cold dead 54/46 (well now aren’t those polling numbers familiar?).

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61931185

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 1:24 am
Tim Mathieson wins the prestigious Most Influential Leftist Woman of 2012 Award.

Awesome poll; awesome result.

But Bolt must be away again… Blair’s comment section has acquired a number of numpties who don’t get humor.

They can’t work out why Stedman was even on the list, let alone why he’s winning, since duh he’s not a woman!!! and eerrrr he’s not actually influential!!! so therefor Mobies must be rigging the vote!!!!! and why aren’t Julie Bishop or Gina Rinehart on the list??!!??!! Also, sexist!!!!! (Of course.)

I swear, the collective IQ of Blair’s comment section drops 30% when Bolt goes on hols.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 1:28 am
Twostix, Evatt was a Soviet spy – acording to no less an authority than Des Ball.

Curtin was merely an idiot.

His ‘free of any pangs’ speech – hailed by a greatness-bereft ALP as some kind of Gettysburg Address – was considered cowardice by the Americans. Roosevelt said it “smacked of panic.” Bringing the troops home is considered some kind of triumph of will but only God knows why. The Japanese had no intention of invading Australia – as if they could anyway. Douglas MacArthur made clear to Curtin and his ministers that the Americans were not here to garrison Australia but to stage northern advances on Jap strongholds.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 1:45 am
The battles of Coral Sea and Midway were important at a time when Japanese expansion was rife, and occupation of PNG (definitely in their plans) would have given them a base too close for comfort at Port Moresby. Our parents generation lived through this and were totally convinced that there would have been an invasion, whatever you say now about its impracticality or lack of Japanese will. The “Brisbane line” thinking reflects the certainties of the times. Sydney had been attacked, Darwin had been quite severely attacked.
The proposal that it was never going to happen needs a little more than a throwaway line.

Blogstrop

14 Dec 12 at 6:28 am
Reader votes for Time Magazine Person of the Year: Kim Jon Un.

Oh, and Tim Matheson for Woman of the Year here.

2012 a proud year for the media.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 6:47 am
Research confirms what we already know. Then the news is given the partisan Peter Harcher treatment to excuse Twitter its sins:

TWITTER users lean to the political left and talkback radio callers lean to the right, but both form part of the mainstream of opinion.

A study analysing political sentiment in Australia, by an independent firm, compared how views expressed on Twitter and talkback radio moved in comparison with the mainstream, as measured by a conventional national opinion poll, Newspoll.

It found that users of the online social media company Twitter are distinctly better disposed to Labor leader Julia Gillard overall, and talkback callers to Coalition leader Tony Abbott.

In the case of Twitter, it also confirmed what has long been remarked of social media: ”It really is antisocial media,” according to John Chalmers of Sentia Media. Sentia is the author of the study, the owners of Media Monitors and the first to make such a comparison.

”Talkback has a reputation for being robust and polarised, but Twitter is far more vitriolic and venomous in content.”

While both avenues allow anonymity, personal attacks on Twitter were harsher because comment was not moderated, Mr Chalmers said, while talkback callers were vetted by producers and presenters.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 7:15 am
Happy travels, JC.

CL, re Greg Craven, he has become rather disappointing of late. He is very much the Australian George Will.

dover_beach

14 Dec 12 at 7:26 am
Yep, Twitter is only vitriolic because its anonymous!

As anonymous as the face pics and real names allow lol

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 7:26 am
TWITTER users lean to the political left

Only in Australia. Australia is but a tiny player in the global social media sphere.

In the US, conservatives basically own Twitter, and have for some years now.

Frankly, Australian conservatives pretty much suck at social media. But of course whether that’s actually such a big deal – whether social media really matters in the big scheme of things – is up for debate.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:31 am
“Twitter is far more vitriolic and venomous in content.”

I expect he follows a lot of Lefties.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:33 am
The subjunctive is getting quite a workout today
…
Here’s some of the subjunctive reaction
…
gets into the subjunctive mood:

Bizarre. And the article is, of course, tosh.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 7:39 am
North Korea press release:

Space officials say the rocket is meant to send a satellite into orbit to study crops and the weather.

lol

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 7:44 am
Gillard’s entire future is to be determined by a virtually impossible retrospective judgment on whether she ran a seriously messy legal file 20 years ago.

Greg

She also ripped off orphans and widows.

.

14 Dec 12 at 8:17 am
Some people are convinced that the Norks are nothing more than the Chinese bully boys’ catspaw, and I tend to agree. They could pull the plug on them quite literally any time.
Just as the trolls here all belong to Sinc, and Slipper to the parliamentary Labor Party, the Norks are entirely down to China.

blogstrop

14 Dec 12 at 8:30 am
sdog, as the first comment says in that “conservatives rock on twitter” story you linked to:

Congrats on winning Twitter! How did you do in the election?

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:35 am
Bravo Grace Collier:

We want cheap goods yet we won’t tolerate the idea that they may be supplied by someone’s low wages. We pay up to three times what we should for cars but keep giving money to an industry that causes this price anomaly, because we can’t stand to put anyone out of a job, no matter how futile that job is.

We dislike expensive taxi travel in filthy unreliable bombs, but only want this remedied if no one suffers. We insist that waiters be paid highly while complaining that restaurant meals now cost a fortune. We fume about expensive groceries then, when a supermarket charges $1 for milk, we are outraged the discounting might be hurting someone.

We whinge about poor service but we don’t want anyone, anywhere, to ever be threatened with the sack. As workers, we want our unfair dismissal laws, yet as consumers we hate being on the receiving end of slackness.

Token

14 Dec 12 at 8:43 am
Dogshit shows up to remind everyone of his herculean intellect. Fuck off and get a job, you tax-eating parasite.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 8:44 am
“Twitter is far more vitriolic and venomous in content.”

I expect he follows a lot of Lefties.

On Twitter it is difficult to filter out the sewerage and hate that the Left spit out.

SoB, go exile yourself there. You’ll find the endless stream of vitriol and bile which seems to send your heart into a flutter.

Token

14 Dec 12 at 8:45 am
Congrats on winning Twitter! How did you do in the election?

The US election was close and Romney was up for a little while.

Hmmm…that Tony Abbot will never be Prime Minister facebook page…54/46…ah yes good times.

.

14 Dec 12 at 8:45 am
Greg

She also ripped off orphans and widows.

It takes a vile person to be involved in a scheme like the PM got involved in WA and never apologise to the people who lost the money they saved for tragedies.

Token

14 Dec 12 at 8:47 am
North Korea press release…

Makes our intelligence mobs look largely unintelligent and Japan did not shoot it down with their comment “we did not attempt to shoot it down” Yes that is obvious and to shoot it down you need a launch time and path. Sort of like if there was an enemy they must inform you of everything. Then it took several hours for the US to confirm that the satelite was launched.

So if I was North Korea I have learnt something with this and that is just not tell them and you can take one shot which can reach Japan without being intercepted or alternately Japan was not willing to take a shot as they do not have high confidence in being able to shoot something like this down.

kelly liddle

14 Dec 12 at 8:48 am
LOL at the wingnut commenter on that Twitter story who thinks outsourcing to China is going Galt.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 8:55 am
Interesting insight by Piers Ackerman:

According to the judge’s “firm conclusion”, Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing the proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Slipper and not to vindicate any legal claim he may have for which the right to bring proceedings exists.

…Justice Rares did not mention that Slipper’s appointment by Prime Minister Julia Gillard was in itself a wholly political act designed to save her dysfunctional minority government.

To shore up Labor’s numbers in the House, she sacked respected Speaker Harry Jenkins and consigned him to the backbench and courted Slipper, whose expensive transport arrangements and personal quirks had been of a very public and growing concern to the Coalition leadership.

If this case stands – Ashby has indicated he intends to appeal – then judges will have to carefully examine motive in other cases and certainly when sexual harassment is alleged. Which makes one wonder how the federal government stands with its promised commission into institutional sexual abuse. It appears patently obvious that a significant number of the claims made against the Catholic Church have been made by people whose primary aim is to raise “scandalous and damaging allegations, knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage”.

It seems if the Rares judgement stands, a lot of people will be hurt by it in the long term.

Token

14 Dec 12 at 8:57 am
You’re complaining about firms not bending over for the Government minty?

What line are you spinning today? Anyone who trades with China supports the regime? How’s that Cuba embargo working?

Australia has lost a lot of industry through high labour costs such as payroll tax.

To go galt, our firms head over to New Zealand.

No doubt you think this is a bad idea too.

.

14 Dec 12 at 8:59 am
Outsourcing is not a political statement, Dot.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 9:17 am
It appears patently obvious that a significant number of the claims made against the Catholic Church have been made by people whose primary aim is to raise “scandalous and damaging allegations, knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage”.

What a load of bollocks. Akerman is an irrelevant boor.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 9:23 am
You abject fuckwit, SfB.

What part of my comment where I stated: “But of course whether that’s actually such a big deal – whether social media really matters in the big scheme of things – is up for debate” did you not read?

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 9:31 am
It doesn’t need to be a political statement. Economic agents vote with their feet, casting judgment on political decisions.

.

14 Dec 12 at 9:32 am
Can I be permanently banned from this blog?

My desire to come here … is something I fear I cannot overcome myself.

steve from brisbane
13 Dec 12 at 10:38 am

You are one sad unit, SfB.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 9:34 am
That Ackerman column is utter crap.

sdog, it’s true, I did not read your last line. So sorry that I quoted at you, without swearing or insult, a line that you seem to agree with. I can tell how this would be really upsetting to you. Go hug a gun, it’ll make you feel better.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 9:35 am
Can I be permanently banned from this blog?

My desire to come here … is something I fear I cannot overcome myself.

steve from brisbane
13 Dec 12 at 10:38 am

…he typed, one-handed.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 9:38 am
I can tell how this would be really upsetting to you. Go hug a gun, it’ll make you feel better

Why don’t you go hug a fat woman who rips off orphans and widows?

.

14 Dec 12 at 9:45 am
That’s nothing, Sdog. The blog that no-one reads, Dogshit Today, stands up for intellectual pygmies everywhere this morning in decrying “Hedley Thomas’ protracted game of “but what about this bit of paper?”, attempting to smear the PM over a minor bit of legal work and her poor choice of boyfriend 20 years ago”. Astounding.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 9:50 am
Obama administration to consider building Death Star for $852 quadrillion, putting the federal debt at around 1,300,000% of GDP.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 10:21 am
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4427680.html

Stephen Koukoulas claiming that the Gillard government has had the “smallest budgetary footprint” in the last 35 years as it has had the smallest tax to GDP ratio over that period.

A couple of points:

1) What does “budgetary footprint” mean, precisely? I don’t recall it coming up as an economic definition or concept when I completed either of my BEcon or Bcomm. It seems to me to be a bit of a weasel-word with no generally accepted meaning…

2) When looking at a “budgetary footprint”, why would you focus solely on revenue and ignore expenditure?!? That seems either laugably incompetent or wilfully misleading to me.

This article seems like nothing more than bare-faced propaganda for the ALP in my opinion.

tgs

14 Dec 12 at 10:34 am
Woops, in my outrage I did miss a paragraph or two where the article states:

“In what should be an embarrassing fact for Mr Hockey, 2012-13 will see real government spending fall 4.4 per cent, the biggest cut ever recorded.”

So my point 2 is wrong.

Assuming this cut in spending actually occurs of course.

tgs

14 Dec 12 at 10:41 am
Gillard takes a cricket bat to Abbott and Brough on ABCNews24 in an interview with Sabra Lane.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 10:45 am
So government spending will fall by 4.4% after a five-year binge that has seen spending rise by 72% and debt rise from zero to $250 billion-plus, sending the AUD through the roof, which is decimating Australian manufacturing and tipping the non-mining economy into recession. Hazaar!

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 10:46 am
It appears patently obvious that a significant number of the claims made against the Catholic Church have been made by people whose primary aim is to raise “scandalous and damaging allegations, knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage”.

What a load of bollocks. Akerman is an irrelevant boor.

That Ackerman column is utter crap.

Looks like Ackerman found the sweet spot. Though one wonders how a person could describe a dry recollection of recent history of Gillard’s self serving and bizarre elevation then hysterical defence of the grub as “utter crap”.

Bombing over target Ackerman.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 10:50 am
Gillard takes a cricket bat to Abbott and Brough on ABCNews24 in an interview with Sabra Lane.

Yes m0nty, next week Gillard will be up 54/46 thanks to her deft handling of the absolute clusterfuck she created for herself by elevating then hysterically defending the absolute grub Peter Slipper.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 10:55 am
One wonders if Abbott would ever subject himself to an open press conference or one-on-one going for 12 minutes, let alone an hour and a half. Most likely, he’s too gutless.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 11:02 am
I’m wondering what Mal Brough will do now, since he’s been slandered by the judge. I guess he’s thinking it through.

candy

14 Dec 12 at 11:04 am
Ah mOron. Maybe he could take a leaf out of the slapper’s book and refuse to answer questions you misguided doughnut inhaling lard arse.

By the way, what question have they asked other than tell us what you know? Genius detectives on the left. They’ve nailed him with that one.

Tiny Dancer

14 Dec 12 at 11:06 am
Gillard takes a cricket bat to Abbott and Brough on ABCNews24 in an interview with Sabra Lane

Yeah, she’s got the timing of Punter (today) hasn’t she? Lane asked why Slipper wasn’t returning to the Speaker’s Chair. Slapper takes a big swing “coz he resigned.”
Lane follows up and asks why not reinstate as he’s in the clear? Slapper gets a thick edge to 2nd slip: “Anita is doing a great job. Mr Slipper resigned”.

tylos

14 Dec 12 at 11:07 am
One wonders if Abbott would ever subject himself to an open press conference or one-on-one going for 12 minutes, let alone an hour and a half. Most likely, he’s too gutless.

I usually ignore Monty and his stablemate SoB but this post is out and out trolling.

Viva

14 Dec 12 at 11:13 am
One wonders if Abbott would ever subject himself to an open press conference or one-on-one going for 12 minutes, let alone an hour and a half. Most likely, he’s too gutless.

When he is PM, I expect he will do a lot of this. He will also venture out into public and talk to real people. When was the last time the current PM turned up in a shopping centre to talk to random people? Did she ever wear out that shoe leather?

I would think the mark of a successful politician is being able to talk to all types of people, not to bark at a press gallery fearful of losing their jobs from a call to their editor.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 11:16 am
Ms Gillard is used to telling porkies and dissembling, she could handle any press conference. She is certainly made of steely (but dishonest) stuff.

candy

14 Dec 12 at 11:16 am
Our parents generation lived through this and were totally convinced that there would have been an invasion…

The Japanese had no intention of invading Australia and no capacity to do so.

The very idea is laughable. They’d be flat out taking over Cape York.

As I said, MacArthur told Cabinet his men weren’t here to defend Australia.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:21 am
Fraser Nelson boasts that the oh so tolerant UK has been previously free of the culture wars raging elsewhere. That’s so true. And the result? The left has taken over the joint lock stock and barrel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9743058/Britain-is-getting-a-glimpse-of-the-crazy-world-of-culture-wars.html

Viva

14 Dec 12 at 11:24 am
It appears patently obvious that a significant number of the claims made against the Catholic Church have been made by people whose primary aim is to raise “scandalous and damaging allegations, knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage”.

First case off the cab rank – press-wise – has seen an accuser of Pell forced by a judge to release to the Cardinal’s lawyers his shonky timeline.

It will be recalled that site wrongologist Monty bungled this one too.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:25 am
Heh Heh,

There seems to have been some mis-understanding between the Deutsche Bank supervisory board and the trading floor, when the Board decided to steer DB in to Big Green in a Big Way:

Two senior executives are among 25 Deutsche Bank employees under investigation as part of a widening tax fraud probe related to the trading of carbon credits.

Five Deutsche Bank employees were due to appear before a judge today after being arrested during raids of the the bank’s headquarters and private residences in Berlin, Düsseldorf and Frankfurt yesterday.

Recall that Penny Wong wanted an active AFP role in carbon credit enforcement, due to the vast opportunities for fraud – and presumably because some of the characters they would be coming up against would likely be a tad too intimidating for some hapless auditor from the Climate Change Dept.

Myrrdin Seren

14 Dec 12 at 11:28 am
One wonders if Abbott would ever subject himself to an open press conference or one-on-one going for 12 minutes, let alone an hour and a half. Most likely, he’s too gutless.

You’re drowning m0nty paddle harder.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 11:28 am
One wonders if Abbott would ever subject himself to an open press conference or one-on-one going for 12 minutes, let alone an hour and a half. Most likely, he’s too gutless.

He won two Oxford blues for boxing.

By contrast, Julia Gillard was gutlessly setting up a slush fund at the behest of a standover man before being sacked. An obedient little moll.

But she’s very brave on the ABC! LOL.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:30 am
Hey, did Gillard tell Sabra Lane what that secret $5000 payment was all about?

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:31 am
Undermining the goose is the objective here.

No, I believe the whole thing is orchestrated. Fitzgibbon is just the advance party rolling out the excuses Swan and gillard will use later on when they admit the budget will not be in surplus.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 11:32 am
C’mon m0nster, even you are better than that.
No right minded person could ever say that an “interview” by any of the ABC fellow travellers would be a tough gig for our PM.
If she is really not gutless, why has she consistently denied the open invitation that she has for Bolta’s show?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

14 Dec 12 at 11:36 am
Tim Mathieson finishes Most Influential Leftist Woman of 2012 poll with a landslide 62.2 percent of the vote. Congratulations.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:37 am
When he is PM, I expect he will do a lot of this.

I’m increasingly coming around to the view that Abbott will never be PM. Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

His attempt to flick the switch to Positive Mr Policy Man is already looking feeble. He has no policies of his own, they’re all either stolen from Howard or Labor.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 11:39 am
Gillard also refuses to be interviewed by Hedley Thomas.

No ticker.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:39 am
they’re all either stolen from Howard or Labor.

LOL. This spin deserves an award.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 11:41 am
Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! I thought she was dead. Is she, in fact, writing posthumously?

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 11:42 am
Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

LOL.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:42 am
Stephen Koukoulas … either laugably incompetent or wilfully misleading …

This article seems like nothing more than bare-faced propaganda for the ALP in my opinion.

Surprise, surprise:

Between October 2010 and July 2011, he was economic policy advisor to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Septimus

14 Dec 12 at 11:44 am
I’m increasingly coming around to the view that Abbott will never be PM. Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

His attempt to flick the switch to Positive Mr Policy Man is already looking feeble. He has no policies of his own, they’re all either stolen from Howard or Labor.

m0nty, now you are out and out trolling, please, just fuck off you fat dissembling piece of shit.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

14 Dec 12 at 11:45 am
The Oz’s current top story: OECD calls us the “Iron Man” economy, endorses Australia’s IR system, welcomes our carbon price policy, calls for broadening of the MRRT and GST, and says we should start a SWF. Geez they’re a left wing rag.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 11:46 am
I’m increasingly coming around to the view that Abbott will never be PM. Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

Well that’s that then. Tony might as well pack up and go home to Frenchs Forest.

Viva

14 Dec 12 at 11:49 am
It’s good how the Australian will print left and right wing viewpoints. unlike Fairfax that just pushes the government’s agenda.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 11:49 am
OECD attributes Australia’s situation to luck:

“Australia’s long period of uninterrupted economic growth makes it the Iron Man among the OECD countries,” said OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurría said. “The rise of Asia has driven Australian natural resource exports and is providing enormous new opportunities for the agriculture, education and tourism sectors, but it has also imposed significant challenges and strains. The strong Australian dollar resulting from the mining boom is imposing considerable structural changes on the economy,” Mr. Gurría said.

Gillard government then criticised chapter and verse, Catallaxy agenda endorsed:

Taking steps to build a more productive and competitive Australia. Despite Australia’s strong economic performance, productivity growth has slowed. After peaking in the 1990s, it is now below its long-run average. Improving education and training programmes is critical for meeting future skills needs, boosting innovation and creating jobs. More effective infrastructure policy, including better planning and more efficient financing, can resolve bottlenecks that hold back productivity. Harmonising regulation across states – from electricity network interconnection to environmental approval processes and cross-state licensing rules for legal and other professions – would foster competition and also boost productivity.

Smoothing the transition to a 21st century economy. Australia needs to maintain flexible markets, introduce tax reforms and enhance its medium-term fiscal strategy, so its economy is prepared to take full advantage of the wide-ranging changes taking place. This means ending public subsidies for industries or sectors where the country no longer has a comparative advantage, including agriculture, automotive manufacturing and energy. Resulting budgetary savings could be used to fund a reduction in Australia’s 30% corporate tax rates, which remains too high. The medium-term objective of reducing net debt is welcome, but the government should also consider creating a stabilisation fund to capture mining-related revenues and insulate budget and spending decisions from commodity price swings.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:56 am
Any government that attempted to broaden/increase the GST would be thrown out on its ear, even if it makes good economic sense. It just won’t wash, especially after carbon tax.

candy

14 Dec 12 at 11:58 am
CL, that quote seems to endorse government investment in education and infrastructure, plus the creation of a SWF to stabilise the economy on Keynesian principles. Hardly the Catallaxy agenda.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 11:59 am
Sovereign wealth funds?

They couldn’t even keep their hands off the future fund, and they started to eye off superannuation.

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:02 pm
OECD calls us the “Iron Man” economy, endorses Australia’s IR system, welcomes our carbon price policy, calls for broadening of the MRRT and GST, and says we should start a SWF. Geez they’re a left wing rag

What a bunch of lies and economic vandalism. The only semi valid point is we should favour consumption taxes over income and capital taxes.

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:08 pm
Man living as an Adult baby wins fight for social security payments

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/18/man-living-as-an-adult-baby-is-cleared-of-social-s/?page=all

this guy is effectively stealing from those who are truly disabled

Max

14 Dec 12 at 12:08 pm
OECD calls us the “Iron Man” economy

Dickheads.

Have they seen GSP, state by state?

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:08 pm
Man living as an Adult baby wins fight for social security payments

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/18/man-living-as-an-adult-baby-is-cleared-of-social-s/?page=all

this guy is effectively stealing from those who are truly disabled

This is indefensible.

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:12 pm
Man living as an Adult baby

Reminds me of this guy.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 12:14 pm
Margo Kingston’s stuff has been good reading lately.

I can’t think of a sentence I was less likely to read in my lifetime.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 12:16 pm
Australia starting a sovereign wealth fund right now is as laughable as a bankrupt alcoholic saying he is going to start a health food company.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 12:20 pm
Some might think it funny to say Abbot just wants to return to Howard era policies, but the average voter on the street probably looks wistfully back at the Howard years for a growing economy, adults in government and great plans for the future.

The best reform package available right now is to roll back every single law, tax and new public service job that has been created since 2007. The country is not running better than it was back then in any measurable way.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 12:24 pm
Yeah literally, brc.

BHP have the same idea with project reset.

Grace collier should be in parliament as Abbot’s Treasurer.

She is wonderful woman.

Failing that, I’m sure many others in the LDP would like to see her as one of our lead candidates in 2013.

I always thought Howard really botched his double majority. He could have gone back and delivered on Keating’s promises, enacted Fightback and passed simpler legislation on Work Choices.

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:29 pm
A SECOND state government school in Adelaide has failed to inform parents of a sex assault case involving a staff member.

A wide-ranging inquiry, headed by former Supreme Court Judge Bruce Debelle, has already been established into why parents were not informed of a similar case at a western suburbs primary school in 2010.

In that case the director of an after-school care program was ultimately jailed for a string of child sex offences.

Now the SA education department has confirmed that parents were not informed after a teacher was charged with unlawful sexual intercourse with a student at another Adelaide school seven months ago.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/second-school-abuse-case-kept-under-wraps/story-e6frfku9-1226536776095#ixzz2EzAoRN4i

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 12:32 pm
Grace collier should be in parliament as Abbot’s Treasurer.

She is wonderful woman.

Failing that, I’m sure many others in the LDP would like to see her as one of our lead candidates in 2013.

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaaaaaa…

she conceives and steers strategic long-term visions for her clients while simultaneously micro managing the fine detail

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 12:35 pm
Grace Collier
At the age of 21, whilst an employee within Marketing at Telstra, Grace was identified by Officials within the Community and Public Sector Union as an individual with leadership talent for the organisation of labour and workplace activism. Inducted into the ACTU’s special training and development program, Grace began as a rookie Organiser with The Australian Services Union.

Subsequently, rejected by the BLF and the CFMEU on the grounds of being “a girl and too small”, she eventually secured a position as Organiser with the Storeman and Packers Union; commonly referred to as ‘the Packers and Wackers’

During the great dispute between Patrick and the MUA, Grace played an instrumental role in the Queensland section of the resistance movement and was one of the core group arrested and charged for her role in operations. However, upon the election of the Labor Government, all charges against Grace were dropped; for which Grace informs me she is now most grateful.

The road travelled since her early days as a Union Official has been one of growth and challenge as Grace has navigated through several strategic career moves that have propelled her to her current role as a partner and advisor to boards and top-level executives.

Grace formed Industrial Relations Consulting in 2003. Since then, each project Grace has undertaken has been stamped with her individual style; she conceives and steers strategic long-term visions for her clients while simultaneously micro managing the fine detail.

Not too shabby. A wealth of experience, she looks good as a candidate.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 12:40 pm
You’re laughing at Grace Collier monty?

Grace: never mind the fat, crazy longer flinging shit at you like a baboon.

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:43 pm
lulz

longer–>loner

.

14 Dec 12 at 12:43 pm
What’s the matter Monty, someone with a union background is espousing classical liberal ideas? Heresy!! You must hate Michael Costa as well.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 12:44 pm
I can’t think of a sentence I was less likely to read in my lifetime

IT, how about, “m0nty on the cover of GQ magazine!”
or
“m0nty completes economics degree!”

Huckleberry Chunkwot

14 Dec 12 at 12:55 pm
A SECOND state government school in Adelaide has failed to inform parents of a sex assault case involving a staff member.

S.O.P. for state schools.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 12:58 pm
>“m0nty completes economics degree!”

“m0nty understands economics degree!”

These days, completion of a degree has very little to do with a student actually understanding what went on. As anyone who has tried to employ a recent graduate can tell you.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 1:01 pm
Court endorses Newman, so Labor appeals to mob:

Newman government laws stripping away public sector job security protections have survived a legal challenge, but a key union critic argues the case will ultimately be decided in “the court of public opinion”.

The Together Union and the Australian Workers’ Union launched a legal challenge, arguing the law breached the separation of powers and was unconstitutional.

However, the Queensland Court of Appeal on Friday dismissed the challenge.

LOL.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 1:02 pm
The m0nster is on fire today.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 1:03 pm
I’d like for some public sector union person to give a real reason why public service staff should enjoy better pay and better conditions.

Perhaps it is to make up for the soul-destroying knowledge that you’re actually making the lives of productive people worse, and that you’re a standing joke in any gathering of workers discussing what they have achieved in their career?

brc

14 Dec 12 at 1:05 pm
In other words, the court of public opinion has already spoken. It has declared ‘go and get a real job, you pack of lazy parasites’.

The only thing upsetting the sacked public sector workers was the skin they lost on their elbows in the fight for the redundancy packages.

Sorry to be a grump but I have witnessed first hand the naked grab for cash that has gone on, all the while the public moaning and crying was performed like 2nd rate arts students.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 1:08 pm
Perhaps they could ask a few ex Labor members how that “court of public opinion” thing is going?

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 1:29 pm
Mr Anne Summers gives his Mum an audience, unlike her blog, at Your ALPBC. The Dumb of course.

That’s nice.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 1:40 pm
Perhaps they could ask a few ex Labor members how that “court of public opinion” thing is going?

If they can find one who hasn’t yet died of shame…

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 1:44 pm
… he wishes to appoint Anna Wintour as United States ambassador to either the UK or France.

WTF???

Surely this is some sort of very bad, staggeringly unfunny joke?

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 1:46 pm
Surely this is some sort of very bad, staggeringly unfunny joke?

Nah – that was re-electing the Magic Negro. This is just the consequences. Oprah for next Secretary of State? Chip’s Mum thinks it’s a good idea if that helps.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 1:51 pm
Bear – thanks for that – good ol’ anne bummers, she’s nothing if not predictable.

Querying the appointment of fashion mag slag hag wintour as ambassador is (drum roll)…

Such criticism is both snobbish and, frankly, sexist.

Oh noes, zeeeeexism!!!

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 1:57 pm
A violence-voiced Michelle Grattan is excited (sorry for mental image):

Gillard takes a big slipper to Abbott over Ashby judgment.

Julia Gillard sees in the Ashby case a political strike fighter that can be deployed to try both to raise doubts about Tony Abbott’s credibility and to fend off questions about the AWU slush fund.

The judgment in the case, embarrassing for the Coalition, will be tossed back every time the opposition brings up the AWU affair.

Taunting the Coalition, one of Labor’s talking points – repeated by Julia Gillard in a steely-voiced ABC interview on Friday morning – is the demand that Liberal National party candidate and former minister Mal Brough should appear in Canberra and answer all the questions the press gallery has to put to him.

It’s “embarrassing” for the Coalition that Julia Gillard’s hand-picked Speaker fantasises about staffers in toilets with the door open?

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 2:13 pm
Photos of Tony Abbott on Michael Smith’s blog looking Prime Ministerial with our troops in Afghanistan elicited this response from a lady calling herself Proud Mother. It made me proud of this mum to read it.

Our magnificent future Prime Minister Tony Abbott visiting our fine heroic young men and women of honour – how these photos bring tears to my eyes.

An election cannot come soon enough to rid this country of the most despicable, corrupt, untrustworthy and unworthy union run government, with the most detestable non leader heading it – the despised lying manipulator Juliar Gillard.

What a difference the two leaderships on offer are.

Tony is a remarkable decent sincere honourable statesman with a heart of gold, who strives for excellence, inclusiveness, and commitment serving the community, charities and public office outstandingly with pride and a passion.

The heartless divisive vile ‘other – Miss Sogynist’ serves herself and has never given a minute to the community but plotting the next scheme to advance herself, hold onto power or self promotion and has done so her whole life.

Just a sickening difference!

Link via Gab at 11.47pm last night.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 2:22 pm
gillard’s got nothing but a raft of failed policies behind her and more failure in the future. So naturally she attacks the Opposition for her failures and past indiscretions of legal and moral nature.

All she has left now is pathetically transparent distraction techniques and orchestrated tactics, such as Fitzgibbon setting up the way for a smoothing of the failed budget surplus.

She’s more interested in oppositional warfare than governing the country effectively. Policy on the run her trademark.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 2:23 pm
An absolute primer in fighting back on the internet after being slagged off by some waste-of-pixels:

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/jack_stuef

Myrrdin Seren

14 Dec 12 at 2:24 pm
Mal Brough should appear in Canberra and answer all the questions the press gallery has to put to him.

As well all know the PM has the power to compel a citizen to “appear before and give evidence to the press gallery”.

It’s beyond time for some conservative to subject members of the gallery to ridicule, starting with that old babbling hag.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 2:24 pm
Tony looks dead-set sexy in those shots – a real man, and obviously much welcomed by the men there.

What a contrast to the contrived shots of Gillard with a few roped-in women and PR men. A woman of commanding authority and presence could rouse the troops (think Elizabeth 1 and Maggie Thatcher for a start), but Gillard is definitely not one of those.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 2:27 pm
The troops hate Gillard. No question.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 2:30 pm
For those who missed Gab’s link or who never scroll back, find those pics of our next PM here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 2:33 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/opinion/political-news/prime-minister-julia-gillard-in-afghanistan-20121015-27lpt.html?selectedImage=8

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 2:36 pm
It’s beyond time for some conservative to subject members of the gallery to ridicule

Certainly is, Pickles. They’d be spoiled for choice and with no shortage of material.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 2:36 pm
Picture number 10 on my link above is hilarious

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 2:37 pm
Yes, I am sure the entire nation is having its blood rush to its pants over photos of Abbott being pretend leader again, Lizzie.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 2:38 pm
The troops hate Gillard. No question.

Says bedroom military commander CL who hates Angus Houston for wearing too many medals and not supporting the Coalition hard enough.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 2:42 pm
He looks great. Really healthy and fit, even looks fitter than some of the soldiers!

candy

14 Dec 12 at 2:42 pm
Yep pretend leaders,we have lots of them

Tal

14 Dec 12 at 2:43 pm
Wow those photos are almost deliberately unflattering. Only number 7 is remotely ok.

And number 10 is the pinnacle.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 2:46 pm
Yes, I am sure the entire nation is having its blood rush to its pants over photos of Abbott being pretend leader again, Lizzie.

Maybe not the entire nation, but there’s a sexually confused blogger in Brisbane who has locked the door so his wife can’t interrupt his sick fantasies.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 2:55 pm
No steve

Houston is well respected. He ran Defence well. He was qualified on Blackhawks and Hercs. He helped plan Australian operations as a field level officer in the 1st Gulf War.

He still had to put up with the shit pies that Smith and Gillard, and previously Xiansheng Fitzgibbon had him eat.

A practical old establishment man such as himself couldn’t give two figs about drummed up, sensationalised “sexism inquiries”.

The airpower of the coalition have been ratfucked by Karzai. Not Angus’ fault.

I agree with C.L in way, that credentialism is creeping everywhere. I’d save the gongs for blood and guts as well. However, he really did earn his AFC in 1979/1980. It is a peacetime/non combat medal for gallantry.

I’m not going to blame a bloke for not being deployed or living through enough wars.

…and the troops do hate Gillard and they hated Rudd. My sources are from mech. infantrary and SF support commandos.

Australians hate MPs anyway, even when they’re fairly competent. Thus Gillard is exceptionally reviled.

.

14 Dec 12 at 2:59 pm
It’s beyond time for some conservative to subject members of the gallery to ridicule, starting with that old babbling hag.

You mean the double bagger Mrs Magoo?

Splatacrobat

14 Dec 12 at 3:02 pm
Legitimate Health Warning:

The death of a father-of-three who collapsed while dancing to Gangnam Style has prompted a warning to middle-aged men not to attempt the vigorous dance from the hit video.

He was 46. Damn that’s me out.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 3:08 pm
The entire nation, Stevie? No, just the women in it for what I’m thinking of. Oh, and you of course, with your funny little ways.

Housebound syndrome is affecting you in the gonads, Stevie. Handy hint: I’ve heard that some really desperate housewives hug the washing machine in spin mode, but it’s not something I’ve ever needed or wanted to try. You sound needy enough, dearie, and you’re fond of the spin, so there you are.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 3:11 pm
Well that’s SFB well and truly skewered for the afternoon.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 3:12 pm
The death of a father-of-three who collapsed while dancing to Gangnam Style

Another person dies of shame.

This is good news. Shame has been absent for a few decades but seems to be making a comeback.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 3:14 pm
Gillard in a steely-voiced ABC interview on Friday morning

Bit of fantasy writing by Grattan.

Gillard had the same evasive appearance and her voice had the same nervous ‘on-the-edge’ tremor that is always there when she is trying to hornswoggle the public and the media.

Septimus

14 Dec 12 at 3:21 pm
Legitimate Health Warning:

That’s hardly enough. We need some graphic photos of heart attack victims on the CD cover, and some extra laws to stop people trying to cover them up.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 3:31 pm
Hah I read a few things on that Oatmeal site.

This one about Dogs is so laugh-out-loud funny it is definitely worth a couple of minutes. If you’re a dog lover, that is.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dog_paradox

brc

14 Dec 12 at 3:34 pm
Gillard in Afghanistan: PIC.

Caption:

Soldier: ‘No seriously – what the fuck are you doing here?’

Gillard: ‘Uuuum.’

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 3:35 pm
I’ve heard that some really desperate housewives hug the washing machine in spin mode

If the door of the Whirlpool is broken then these women should call a washing machine man. While he’s there he can check out the pool pump. And bring a pizza. With lots of perperoni. Dial 1800THEHEDGEHOG.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 3:36 pm
The death of a father-of-three who collapsed while dancing to Gangnam Style has prompted a warning to middle-aged men not to attempt the vigorous dance from the hit video.

Mick Jagger, 69, hijacks the Grammys…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1K3Gy94edI

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 3:37 pm
That a chubby, sunglasses wearing Asian man of uncertain looking sexual orientation could cause a global sensation with an average sounding song by doing silly, sexually tinged horsey movements is one of the puzzles of 2012 that historians will ponder over.

Another PhD for a future CL (who’s topic of research was presumably either “Progressive Politics: the Scourge of the World from the Day it was Conceived” or “Churchill: Misunderstood Scumbag War Criminal.”)

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 3:43 pm
Try “whose”…

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 3:44 pm
That a chubby, sunglasses wearing Asian man of uncertain looking sexual orientation could cause a global sensation with an average sounding song by doing silly, sexually tinged horsey movements is one of the puzzles of 2012 that historians will ponder over.

How is that a bigger puzzle than a sacked lawyer shacked up with an unemployed mousse salesman being made prime minister of Australia by Rob Oakeshott?

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 3:47 pm
brc:

Yep, that’s a great cartoon.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 3:47 pm
How about a music video of Monty and SfB doing Gangnam Style looking the same as they would any normal day of the week.

Carn’, it’d be a hoot. Just think about Monty’s flab and weird facial hair and he does the ‘hey, sexy lady’ part to ShitFer.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 3:48 pm
That’s easy, CL: Rob was put off by Abbott talking about [not] selling his arse.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 3:49 pm
Did someone mention dancing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJVw32EkIM

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 3:51 pm
I shocked da Hairy Ape, Pickles, by admitting to flirting (just flirtin’) with the tradesmen while wearing in my new high heels round the house the other day.

In future, I’m going going to call in those special tradie teams of big hairy girls, he said.

But then they would flirt with me, I protested.

Dat’s your lookout, Lizzie, he said.

He can be so very tough on me at times.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 3:52 pm
CL one, Stevie out.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 3:55 pm
You thought it was flirting, Lizze: the tradies thought it was harassment by a short woman who wouldn’t stop talking about herself.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 3:57 pm
Bloke on the dole overdraws his account 2 million bucks. St George didn’t notice.

$2,000,000

IT’S called the ”Complete Freedom account”, but St George Bank probably didn’t have in mind the same kind of latitude as Luke Brett Moore.
The unemployed 25-year-old allegedly defrauded the financial institution to the tune of more than $2.1 million over 18 months, simply by overdrawing his account.
…
In that time, he allegedly made some impressive purchases to show off around Goulburn.

A Maserati, an Alfa Romeo, a new Stessl Sea Hawk boat and trailer, a 2012 Hyundai Veloster and a car key for an Aston Martin DB7.

He also had a framed Michael Jordan shirt, signed photos of Kylie Minogue, an autographed Michael Jackson picture, and a similarly-signed picture of the stars from TV show Top Gear.

He invested well.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 3:57 pm
Did someone mention dancing?

Ah CL. That’s extreme cruelty.

Septimus

14 Dec 12 at 4:01 pm
That a chubby, sunglasses wearing Asian man of uncertain looking sexual orientation could cause a global sensation with an average sounding song by doing silly, sexually tinged horsey movements is one of the puzzles of 2012 that historians will ponder over.

It’s not that much of a secret: PSY is a subversive taking the piss out of the rich.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 4:30 pm
The m0nster is on fire today.

Self immolating again?

Viva

14 Dec 12 at 4:35 pm
Duckbum’s Eunuch thinks it’s time to return to the blog where he was banned for … isn’t that humorous? He’s doing it again.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 4:41 pm
m0nty – that only explains why Koreans might think it a clever song.

I find it dull and think the video is the poorest excuse for a fleeting dance craze ever. It certainly won’t have the longevity of the classics – like the chicken dance.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 4:42 pm
God Lord, SFB. Just read the crap you have written today! Nonsensical emotive crap. Tale without point or purpose.

You ought to be fined for loitering with intent.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 4:43 pm
“Progressive Politics: the Scourge of the World from the Day it was Conceived”

Liberty Quote

I blame Adam Smith personally, for being a self-contradictory Scottish douche who gave Marx a head full of stupid ideas.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 4:44 pm
I mean, you’re supposed to be a grown man. Pfft.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 4:44 pm
The death of a father-of-three who collapsed while dancing to Gangnam Style has prompted a warning to middle-aged men not to attempt the vigorous dance from the hit video.

The deceased deserves a Darwin Award.

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 4:45 pm
I commented this at Rafe’s Roundup but I think lots of people will find it interesting.

That leak of the IPCC paper is very interesting.

Basically the leaker was peeved that Chapter 7′s submission and conclusions were ignored by the rest of the writers.

7 had a section on solar heating and concluded the solar cycle has a high, rather than low influence on the global temperature. Which is the direct opposite to conventional climate models.

It would probably explain the muted warming for the last 15 years.

Good stuff.

James Dellingpole explains it better than I can.

And, yes SfB, this IS a big deal.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 4:45 pm
And, yes SfB, this IS a big deal.

I predict you are wrong. Would bet money on it.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 4:51 pm
Well it won’t be reported in the MFM but the Oz will likely give it a run.

Remember the embarrasment over the Himalayan glaciers? I expect this one will be better albeit a bit technical.

Its more ammunition to show the models are pretty much wrong.

And if the models are wrong we can skip carbon taxes and green waste and frolic in the park with a clear concience. And children can grow up without a nagging fear of an apocalyptic future.

Joy.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 4:59 pm
I swear, the collective IQ of Blair’s comment section drops 30% when Bolt goes on hols.

And the rest, Spot, and the rest.

nilk

14 Dec 12 at 4:59 pm
I find it dull and think the video is the poorest excuse for a fleeting dance craze ever. It certainly won’t have the longevity of the classics – like the chicken dance.

Ooh! Now you’re trolling me.

m0nty

14 Dec 12 at 5:02 pm
DaveF, you’re being a complete dill.

All aspects of solar influence (not just solar irradiance) have been considered by climate science for a long time, and I think it is no drama to say that while they admit to not understanding it perfectly, they feel confident that it cannot explain the 20th century rise in temperatures.

It is not a climate model killer by any means.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 5:04 pm
Wow this is spreading fast.

I just got an invite for a counter Earth Hour rally. Sydney Harbour December 31st they’re even talking about fireworks!

It’ll be interesting to see how many people turn up.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:05 pm
From Skeptical Science – a pretty detailed post about solar climate influences and why they are not climate model killers:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-advanced.htm

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 5:07 pm
Just read the crap you have written today! Nonsensical emotive crap.

Duckbum’s Eunuch just has to go trolling when the old hag looks utterly unelectable in the latest opinion polls. Notice how haggard she looks in today’s ABC studio propaganda video?

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 5:08 pm
SfB the solar cycle and generally the suns influence has always been included in the models, obviously that’s where ALL the warming comes from.

But they’ve always minimised the indirect effects however. This says the models are wrong and the indirect effects are substantial rather than minimal.

Oh I’m sure they can adjust the model, but they won’t.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:12 pm
sfb, quoting SkS is like quoting Manboylove on child protection.

These are the people who have been known to go back and delete comments that were critical, and insert (with false timestamps) comments that were supportive.

They are liars and charlatans, and good mates with Cook and Lewandowsky.

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 5:12 pm
SoB has certainly lived up to Deller’s expections:

Over to you greentards. I look forward to reading your extravagant apologias as to why this is a story of no significance and that it’s business as usual for the great Climate Change Ponzi scheme.

Token

14 Dec 12 at 5:13 pm
These are the people who have been known to go back and delete comments that were critical, and insert (with false timestamps) comments that were supportive.

Now why would they do that if their “science” can live up to scrutiny? *smirk*

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 5:14 pm
Wow it really IS a big deal.

Mark Colvin on PM is running interference on it!!!!

Yep, they’re rattled.

BTW SfB he has the skepticalscience bloke on to explain why there’s nothing to see here.

“small snippet”
“out of context”
“lets talk about sea level instead”

Yep we certainly have something here.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:15 pm
I read the apologia at SS. Hard to argue with a conclusion like this:

The body of peer-reviewed scientific literature is very clear: human greenhouse gas emissions, not solar activity or galactic cosmic rays, are causing global warming.

Always the appeal to authority. Just keep repeating it boys.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:21 pm
I think this is the link you meant SfB.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:27 pm
Mark Colvin – the ALPBC poor man’s Stephen Fry.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 5:32 pm
MC has a horrible sneer when he interviews people. An the interruptions!

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:37 pm
Look you dimwits: just because people react to a false or misleading claim quickly does not mean they are “in a panic” about it. It may just mean they already know enough to immediately dismiss it.

You’re just showing what twits you are for following the excitement of Professors Delingpole and Anthony Watts.

But that’s right, proud Libertarians and Centre Right (snicker) people of Catallaxy – show us the way to follow blog scientists over real scientists, and lead us onward and upward.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 5:38 pm
Colvin is appalling – the ALPBC personified.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 5:39 pm
Getting a bit snarky SfB. I wonder why.

Actually you are half right about the immediate response. After the ClimateGate fiasco they created a email listserve to coordinate the message. By ‘they’ I mean CAGW bloggers and a handful of scientist sucking on the teat. It was fairly public at the time.

If this explanation doesn’t hold up they’ll try another one in a few days. After consultation with each other…

Nothing like independant thinking is there?

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:45 pm
Remember last Saturday’s end-of-the-world hysteria in the Fairfax zombie sheets:

IT’S 2100. A sci-fi movie version of the future is finally here – flying cars, robots, choking pollution. Oh, and the planet is 5 degrees hotter than it was at the turn of the millennium. It’s nearly 90 years since scientists warned (again) that the planet could warm by between 4 and 6 degrees if we didn’t cut greenhouse gas emissions. We didn’t, and it did.

Well, it was part of the IPCC’s PR pantomime executed with the cooperation of the left’s media captives – except it hasn’t gone to plan:

Draft IPCC report leaked (the evidence is so overwhelming it has to be kept secret!)

You can read for yourself how the IPCC’s junk scientists are attempting to stage-manage their climbdown from science’s shame.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 5:45 pm
Sorry SfB I’d love to co0ntinue discussing this with you but I have to duck out for dinner.

I’ll be back later if you want to be a nightowl.

DaveF

14 Dec 12 at 5:46 pm
Solar activity and its subsequent cosmic rays not only determine the earths climate they also influence cloud cover and jet streams. Therefore the suns activity correlates with el nino and la nina, as its cloud cover over the pacific ocean that dictates the sea temp.

Climate models deliberately don’t include the suns influence and therefore do not take into account cloud cover. According to the models when the sun is blocked out by a cloud, there is no difference in surface temp.

Its bollocks, believed by fuckwits like shitfer, who also lies about having a wife and kids and should be banned for that reason alone.

harrys on the boat

14 Dec 12 at 5:46 pm
“Duckbum … Notice how haggard she looks in today’s ABC studio propaganda video?

Good. I want the witch to suffer personally – health, mind, financially, the whole shooting match. I want her to suffer mightily. Mightily.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

14 Dec 12 at 6:07 pm
Stevie @ 3.57. How lucky you are that I am a busy woman and have only just come back in and spotted your sparkling riposte to me. I have had a fun afternoon. Thus I am moved by your general ineptness to be gentle with you at this stage by offering you a few corrective hints for your overall improvement.

Firstly, you do give yourself away as an unattractive novice in the art of enjoying the natural frisson that exists between men and women. Flirting is mostly non-verbal, you fumbling L-plater. I barely said a word to my tradesmen, and certainly nothing that was not strictly about their legitimate work or a passing observation on the day. Flirting is NEVER harassment. No doubt in your sad and fevered imagination you think that Peter Slipper was ‘flirting’ in those dreadful texts he sent. He certainly seemed to believe he was doing so. Nothing could be further from the truth. Somewhat like you (there, I’m being nice by qualifying that for you), he seems to be a bumbling amateur with a creepy sexual attitude.

Secondly, I’ll talk about whatever I like here and anywhere else, Stevie, without your censorious labelling, you poor excuse for a clapped-out woodwork teacher.

Thirdly, I am petite, not short. Get it right.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 6:35 pm
So, to date we know that:

- the computer models of the glowball warmy charlatans are wrong
- all their predictions from the late 90s are wrong
- they perverted the raw data to accord to their wrong models (Darwin Zero being the smoking gun proof of that scientific fraud)
- there is a cabal of rent-seekers at CRU who know they lie and pervert data for monetary gain
- the IPCC ‘cast of a zillion scientists’ is actually 24 linked persons all in on and profiting from the con
- even the latest IPCC draft report now contains information (doubtless to be be excised from the final report) that AGW is horsesh*t
- actual real-world measurements disprove all the AGW predictions: every single one of them, no troposphere hotspot, no warming ocean, no warming trend, and all of that despite increased CO2 levels

And yet, the increasingly frantic AGW cultists screwm ever more shrilly that their cult is right, and keep that cash rolling in.

It’s a con run by spivs for their personal profit

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 6:35 pm
Parliamentary behaviour in the Ukraine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmkvO_IwsZ0&feature=player_embedded

Over the speaker position, I think.
Translator please?

( I see no acts of misogyny )

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 6:38 pm
I want her to suffer mightily. Mightily.

You want to spit on her, as crossed Gab’s mind the other day?

BTW: you’re a nut, harry.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 6:39 pm
Lizzie, I nearly took a meataxe to Sh*tfer regarding that boorish, ignorant and misogynist comment… then I thought ‘nope, Lizzie’s going to respond and that’s gonna be worth waiting for’.

As it was, dear lady, as it was. Bravo!

Watch out for the shredded bloody gobbets of sh*tfer dribbling down the walls, folks.

Lizzie’s been… busy with her warhammer.

I’ll go get the hose.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 6:40 pm
I wouldn’t waste the saliva, SFB.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 6:41 pm
Solar activity and its subsequent cosmic rays not only determine the earths climate they also influence cloud cover and jet streams. Therefore the suns activity correlates with el nino and la nina, as its cloud cover over the pacific ocean that dictates the sea temp.

Since when did the sun have anything do with the temperature? That’s so 8 minutes ago.
Everyone knows that carbon warms the planet, which is why the best way to stay warm is to get a power station to burn a chunk of carbon for you.

Rob

14 Dec 12 at 6:50 pm
Markl. No go till 2nd week Jan. somewhere around tennis time.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 6:51 pm
Way to go Lizzie!

Alice

14 Dec 12 at 6:52 pm
Lizzie
Non-verbal flirting with tradies should be mandatory

SfB said;
L

izze: the tradies thought it was harassment by a short woman who wouldn’t stop talking about herself.

How the fuck would you know what a tradesman thinks?
Did New Idea have an article on it ?
Retard!

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 6:54 pm
I feel somehow responsible for the ridicule above. In a good way.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 6:58 pm
SFB, I hope you keep attempting to insult Lizzie. I quite enjoy her drubbing of you. It’s quite an art form really.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:03 pm
I suppose it’s a part of the Women Who Want to Be Women and Men Who Want to Support Them Catallaxy Collective who think non-verbal flirting with strangers in the house to do a job is all just a bit of fun.

Sounds a bit creepy and unwise to me; but I suspect petite (always a danger sign, women who want to use that) Lizzie just hasn’t been the same since reading 200 Shades of Grey. (She’s read it 4 times.)

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:14 pm
Hit him again.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 7:21 pm
Sounds a bit creepy and unwise to me;

Straight from the Mcternan playbook,” what we are, we will accuse our opponents of “

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 7:22 pm
Sounds a bit creepy

You do indeed, Dogshit.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 7:23 pm
Very droll, Stevie, very droll.

All together now, let’s have a laugh.

Fourthly Stevie, it takes two to make a flirtation. Me oh my, maybe they started it.

Fifthly Stevie, go to Myers and look at ‘petite’ sizings. Nothing suspect there.

You go on Stevie, and we’ll continue to enumertate for you.

Elizbeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 7:23 pm
Can I be permanently banned from this blog?

My desire to come here … is something I fear I cannot overcome myself.

steve from brisbane
13 Dec 12 at 10:38 am

A cry for help. Either that or his wife got hold of the keyboard. One of those.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:23 pm
fun.

Sounds a bit creepy and unwise to me;

SFB is just not into fun…He tried it once…

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:23 pm
Hey! The Sh*tfer gobbets are still gibbering, down there in the sewer. (I swear, they do look to be at home down there in all that filth.)

This’ll be fun to watch.

Pickles – damnit. Well, can’t be helped.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:24 pm
Very droll, Stevie, very droll.

All together now, let’s have a laugh.

Fourthly Stevie, it takes two to make a flirtation. Me oh my, maybe they started it.

Fifthly Stevie, go to Myers and look at ‘petite’ sizings. Nothing suspect there.

If you go on Stevie, I’ll continue to enumerate for you.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 7:26 pm
Lizzie, I am too old to flirt with young tradies, but find that a decent tea/coffee/softie during the job and a bottle of Coopers at the end goes a long way. Also, leave the poor buggers alone while they are trying to work.

On another topic, is anyone else pissed off at all the free TV outlets that were given to existing players, especially ABC and SBS? I have just looked at tonight’s offerings, and once again it is clear that they are struggling to find anything other than the Test Pattern. Repeats, repeats, repeats.

Surely there are people out there who, given a free-to-air channel, could source some new and interesting content, or even create their own?

The ABC is the worst offender. Leaving aside (and it’s hard) the ideological bias, it has at least one surplus TV channel which someone else could do something with, in the sense that it simply reruns things shown on another ABC channel. SBS is not much better.

A Coalition government should prise this spectrum from their dead hands and sell it – cheaply – to someone else.

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 7:26 pm
it’s actually pitiful:

non-verbal flirting with strangers … Sounds a bit creepy and unwise to me

This is what normal people do all the time. it’s a standard human activity and one of the many that make life worth living.

Only a degraded pervert would think otherwise.

…oh, wait…

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:29 pm
ooh, TV – thanks for the reminder, Johanna.

Tonight on SBS we have When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions at 8,30pm.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:31 pm
And the best way to invest in AG production is share farming. Find a good farmer who’s hamstrung by debt. Go him halves in next years crop. Or something like that.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 7:32 pm
This one is SfB’s: http://qkme.me/3s6wyp

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:32 pm
Fourthly Stevie, it takes two to make a flirtation. Me oh my, maybe they started it.

This’ll all end in tears one day, Lizzie.

All it would take is for one bloke to ask “so, you’re husband’s not home for a while” and you’d be regretting it. But no, you’ll probably tell me you can fend off any man with a ballet kick to the groin, so some such guff.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm
This is fun, SFB. Keep yammering away.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm
I am petite

And no doubt, with nicely turned ankles enhanced by the wearing of the new pair of high heels.

Not unlike Mrs Septimus herself, to be sure.

Septimus

14 Dec 12 at 7:34 pm
This’ll all end in tears one day, Lizzie.

All it would take is for one bloke to ask “so, you’re husband’s not home for a while” and you’d be regretting it.

Fuck me. He’s having rape fantasies about our Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

That’s just skeevy as hell.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:36 pm
I was thinking the same, Spot. What kind of mind goes from non-verbal flirtation to rape/murder in the same breath? Call the FBI, we need a profile on the unsub SFB.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:38 pm
All it would take is for one bloke to ask “so, you’re husband’s not home for a while” and you’d be regretting it. But no, you’ll probably tell me you can fend off any man with a ballet kick to the groin, so some such guff.

By the way, this is why SfB’s opposed to women having the right to own and use guns in self-defence.

Bastards like him need women to be easily-overpowered by brute force and are shit-scared of the idea of them being able to equalise things a bit.

People like SfB are exactly why I’m pleased both of my sisters are CCW holders.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:40 pm
Flirting can be a bit hazardous, to guys it’s a definite come on and they can be surprised when it’s not what was intended. vice versa too.

i think Lizzie is talking about general friendliness and chatting? fellows can get confused tho and not read the right signal

candy

14 Dec 12 at 7:41 pm
I was thinking the same, Spot.

X3.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 7:43 pm
a very funny article
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8781321/export-only-justice/
It comes down to everyone wants to have their case heard by an English judge. And why? (a bit of cut and paste)
“It is easy to understand why litigants come. Writing in 1940, George Orwell came as close as he ever could to praising the British establishment. ‘The hanging judge,’ he said, ‘that evil old man in scarlet robe and horse-hair wig, whom nothing short of dynamite will ever teach what century he is living in, but who will at any rate interpret the law according to the books and will in no circumstances take a money bribe is one of the symbolic figures of England.’

So he remains. The average English judge has no instinctive understanding of the importance of freedom of speech, or of rights to protest and rights of association. Since he has had the power to enforce the European Convention on Human Rights, the only right he has enforced with vigour is the right of celebrities to keep their private lives out of the newspapers. Yet for all his double standards and blind spots, the notion that he might take a bribe or obey an unlawful command from a politician is as hard to credit now as in Orwell’s day — for the time being at any rate.

You cannot say the same of judges in Moscow, New Delhi or Beijing, and businesses all over the world know it. One of the most revealing cases of recent years was an action brought by the Russian bank VTB Capital. An English High Court judge said VTB had to pursue its case in Russia. The bank went to the Court of Appeal. It too said VTB had to go to Russia. The distraught bankers appealed again to the Supreme Court, a step that would have occasioned less comment had not VTB been a state-owned Russian bank. Even the Russian state does not trust the Russian courts, and prefers to resolve its disputes here.”
Lawyers are earning so much in such cases they have no time for English litigants; and some of its corporate lawyers have never a human being.
check it out – it’s well worth reading and will give you a laugh-

val majkus

14 Dec 12 at 7:43 pm
Gab goes for the 6 spoons of hyperbowl yet again.

My example was that it would only take a tradesbloke to even indicate that he had misread the situation for Lizzie to regret the “non verbal flirting”.

But, I suppose, this all depends on what “non verbal flirting” means.

Could mean anything, really. But the talk of high heals involved (and, it happening at home) – just sounds the type of flirting that is unwise to me.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:45 pm
it’s a standard human activity and one of the many that make life worth living.

Absolutely, MK.

Although not so that it interferes with ‘getting on with work’ or important male bonding, like the football or in the army etc.

Some of these old guys never think they are too old Johanna and nor are they (you should have seen my gardener, 55 years old and with a beer belly and deep vein thromboses he was proud of), so in the interest of gender equity make sure you give ‘em your best smile when you serve the those drinks.

Anyway, let’s draw a line under flirting now. Moving on ….

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 7:45 pm
You claim to have a wife and kids, SfB, and it’s past work/school hours so I assume they’re home with you now. Do they fucking know your all-day-every-day trolling has progressed to this point?

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:46 pm
Relax, sdog. Pet one of your guns to calm yourself down.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:48 pm
Stevie, do dry up.

Most men are not animals, they’re just nice enough people. It’s people with minds like yours who are problematic.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 7:48 pm
Skeevy. As. Hell.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 7:49 pm
Sdog says

“Either that or his wife got hold of the keyboard. One of those.”

ROFL – that wasnt bad.

Alice

14 Dec 12 at 7:49 pm
SFB if a bloke wants to attack a female it really is not dependent upon whether she flirted with him or not.

You’re basically saying a women who flirts and gets raped has brought it on herself. The Slutwalkers are going to have your gonads for garters.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:50 pm
Candy you are spot on here,

“i think Lizzie is talking about general friendliness and chatting? fellows can get confused tho and not read the right signal’

I think that can be the case fairly commonly. It doesnt happen so much to me anymore LOL (thats being older for you) but it used to!! ie wrong signals or wrong reception (I was never sure which one it was!)!!

Thats life. Fortunately I dont have so many problems with that these days! I dont have to often, if ever, send males with the wrong idea packing now!

Alice

14 Dec 12 at 7:53 pm
Oh that’s hilarious. Gab suddenly wants to join the slutwalkers.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 7:56 pm
You’re very strange, SFB. I said the Slutwalkers would be after you.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 7:58 pm
Gab suddenly wants to join the slutwalkers.

How the fuck did your brain compute that ?
WOW!!

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 8:00 pm
Yes jumpncar exactly. How did he compute that unless there was faulty wiring somewhere.

Alice

14 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
I’m thinking: it’s actually a derro with a laptop drinking sherry under a bridge on the Brisbane River.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 8:02 pm
Lizzie. The tomatoes were Dilicious. As was the wink.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 8:05 pm
Anyway, time to move on, as Lizzie the flirter says.

By the way, I would not be addressing the topic at all if were not for Lizzie’s out of the blue introduction of the topic of the fun of “non verbal flirting” with tradesmen. I made a joke about it at first (yes, at Lizzie’s expense), Lizzie then escalated it to a full blown self justification, and so on.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:06 pm
Steve is right.

Look where a bit of innocent flirting with a tradesman got Julia Gillard.

Lumbered with the Leftist Woman of The Year.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 8:09 pm
Lizzie, I am far from repulsive, but don’t kid myself that a hot 25 year old tradie is going to be dreaming about me (unless he has mommy issues – eeeeuw!)

That said, assuming both parties are hetero, a bit of flirting is possible at any age. And, I play up to my gay tradies as well, in a different way. It’s just harmless oiling of the wheels of social intercourse, if I may use the term.

Oh, and sfb, you are a creep. Been meaning to say that for a while.

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 8:11 pm
By the way, I would not be addressing the topic at all if were not for Lizzie’s out of the blue introduction of the topic of the fun of “non verbal flirting” with tradesmen.

See, Lizzie? This is all your fault! You made SFB respond to your comment. You held a gun to his head and forced him to comment.

Lefties- it’s always always someone else’s fault. Never theirs. Their locus of control is forever tuned to external.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm
I take heart from the qualified support of candy.

It’s candy and I against the world. Is there a song with a title like that?

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:16 pm
Candy, I am a bit of an expert at picking out and freezing off the unwanted attention. Yes, in referring to ‘flirting’ I am talking about general friendliness and spark. I know what you mean though, and for young girls a level of parental protection and guidance is a good idea. It is all part of growing up and the great panorama and pageant of life.

I had to learn the hard way, but a lesson hard learned is never forgotten.

But neither I nor any other woman in western society needs a brother and a burka for ‘protection’ against predatory males. We have western civilisation as our protection. Treasure it and fight for it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 8:17 pm
Lefties- it’s always always someone else’s fault. Never theirs.

Heh. And yet Gab never says a word against CL’s view that Julia Gillard has personally killed every drowned asylum seeker by shepherding them onto the fateful boat.

All for personal responsibility is Gab, until it’s her brainiac half brother talking.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:19 pm
Several months ago I made the proposition that SfB showed all of the hallmarks of being a sexual predator.
This comment was taken as just a bit of shit stirring, but I was serious.
This bloke shows signs of genuine depravity, and I ask once again, Steve- how is that Working with Children Check going?
I don’t believe that you would be eligible because there is no way that a perverted fuck like you has not been brought to the attention of plod.
You truly are a sick bastard and Sinc was right to ban you.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

14 Dec 12 at 8:20 pm
It is her fault – they’re induced her by her policies. By dismantling policies thatb worked for 11 years or so. This is common knowledge now.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 8:21 pm
“But neither I nor any other woman in western society needs a brother and a burka for ‘protection’ against predatory males

true. when I said “hazardous” I meant from the point of view of causing hurt feelings to another by “leading” them on and perhaps giving false expectations.

the rape thing is a whole different question.

candy

14 Dec 12 at 8:24 pm
Lefties- it’s always always someone else’s fault. Never theirs.

Heh. And yet Gab never says a word against CL’s view that Julia Gillard has personally killed every drowned asylum seeker by shepherding them onto the fateful boat.

The first comment (italicised) is Gab’s. Steve then ‘rebuts’ the observation with further proof that Gab is right. To wit, by absolving Julia Gillard of responsibility for the deaths of 1000+ people. Foot, say hello to shotgun.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 8:26 pm
Do calm down Chunkwart. There’s a good, deluded, chap.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:27 pm
Gerard Baden-Clay denied bail.

Defence team to argue she committed suicide?

Wow.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 8:28 pm
Hey, and it wasn’t exactly ‘out of the blue’. SfB jumps onto any political comment with a vaguely sexy hint (e.g. in this case, my admiration for Tony Abbott’s photos in Afghanistan).

Pickles, of course, is deeply enmeshed too.

Da tomatoes are good this season, Pickles.

Now, I have fed and bathed and kissed the bumps on a very boisterous three year-old (not one of mine btw) during this fracas, so I am having a well-deserved glass of red and then will minister to the chief occupant of this zoo, who once more is rattling the hungry bars.

Blue-eyed cod tonight. Easy peasy.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm
You’ll have argue with someone else, SFB. I’m watching the NASA Apollo series on SBS now.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm
The stupidity: it hurts.

CL, you are all for people making their own decisions and living with the consequences when it comes to gambling, drinking, drugs, diet, playing dangerous sports, and having sex, to take a few examples.

Asylum seekers do ultimately make their own decision about making the trip.

To say that Gillard has “killed” 1000 of them, as you routinely do, is a farcical rebuttal of the rest of your moral philosophy.

You can’t hide that.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 8:36 pm
ShitFer, considering that people weren’t getting on boats to get here before KRudd, it’s pretty clear that something changed. Could it have possibly been the message given out by the government?

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 8:43 pm
Don’t tell me to calm down you creepy, lying depraved fuck.
Don’t you have a “wife & family” to attend to Steve? More lies.
Tell us mate, what is the sound of one hand typing?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

14 Dec 12 at 8:50 pm
~~Sfb,~~ nah, forget that loon.
If I invited you to a game of Russian roulette with a big prize, and you died. Who is to blame for the death?
I think it’s both you and I in equal measure.

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 8:55 pm
CL, you are all for people making their own decisions and living with the consequences …

Right. Gillard must live with the consequences of deliberately instigating a policy that was predicted to cost lives and did, indeed, cost 1000+ (and counting). She did this because she hates John Howard and couldn’t admit that he was right. She still refuses to apologise.

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 8:57 pm
Good grief! We’re right back to where we were before Sinc got temporarily even smarter than usual and banned SfB. Enjoy.

blogstrop

14 Dec 12 at 9:13 pm
Huckleberry – this guy’s been problematic from the start as the pattern is the same. Anything with the slightest sexual innuenado (even a perfectly harmless passing comment about the sort of mild flirting that goes on every day – switches sh*tfer into pervert mode.

It appears all the time.

it’s increasingly obvious that he’s a twisted little deve.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 9:25 pm
Hey blogstrop, how’s thing?
On the topic of young motorists I’ve held the view, for a long time, that at age 16 all youth should do 12 months on a motorbike to instil a sense of concentration and vulnerability.
Your thoughts ….

jumpnmcar

14 Dec 12 at 9:28 pm
Lets talk about share farming.

Pickles

14 Dec 12 at 9:28 pm
Well, that was enjoyable. Even though released in 2008, I’d never seen the documentary When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions. It a series, beginning with the Mercury missions and next week it’s Project Gemini and so on.

I’m such a nerd.

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 9:33 pm
Wacko imbecile Harry “Tally Me Banana” Belafonte has advice for Barack Soetoro:

Imprison Opposition “Like a Third World Dictator” (Video).

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 9:43 pm
Troubled drunk, Nancy Pelosi:

This Fiscal Cliff Stuff Is Getting Boring.

“Is there a dove going to fly in with a message tied to his wing?”

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 9:46 pm
What’s Joe Biden doing these days? Never hear about him anymore – have they locked him away in a cupboard somewhere?

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 9:50 pm
Nancy has had another bad batch of botox Lad,the last time she was seeing dead people

Tal

14 Dec 12 at 9:53 pm
What’s Joe Biden doing these days? Never hear about him anymore – have they locked him away in a cupboard somewhere

I suspect he’s walking around a Walmart somewhere in a moment of senility, babbling incoherently while his minders desperately look for him.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 9:57 pm
What’s Joe Biden doing these days?

Rehearsing for his next star turn on BLR…

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 10:01 pm
Steve’s right, the refos made a choice to attempt the crossing. The Government is in no way culpable for their actions.

sdfc

14 Dec 12 at 10:02 pm
Huckleberry – this guy’s been problematic from the start

Your status as a pompous, hypocritical asshat of the highest order who all sensible people would run away from if they heard you pontificating in a bar about your status as an imperialist has been rather problematic for me from the start.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 10:10 pm
Just like the the Labor thieves’ decision to borrow $250 billion had nothing to do with overvaluation of the AUD by 30% which is destroying Australian manufacturing. How long do you think the pillaging of the country by policy vandals can go on, sdfc, you adolescent clown?

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 10:11 pm
The Aussie is valued highly because the economy is doing better than those economies where the cash rate is near zero.

sdfc

14 Dec 12 at 10:14 pm
this guy’s been problematic from the start

You are a creep, Dogshit. You have no redeeming features. You are a waste of food. Fuck off and leave this blog alone.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 10:15 pm
That’s a pity Tom. I’ve got my high heels on for you. Does that make a difference?

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 10:20 pm
The AUD has been driven through the roof by foreign investors buying government debt.

Tom

14 Dec 12 at 10:20 pm
Central banks have been buying CGS because it is a high yielding AAA asset.

It’s high yielding because our economy is doing relatively better tban the near zero cash rate economies.

sdfc

14 Dec 12 at 10:26 pm
Wacko imbecile Harry “Tally Me Banana” Belafonte

Didn’t know he was a kooky far leftist, but there you go. How does he reconcile the leftist cultural relativism with singing about people of colour and bananas?

Or leaving a ‘little girl’ in Kingston Town? That’s either vastly condescending towards adult Jamaican women, or crypto-paedophilic…

papachango

14 Dec 12 at 10:30 pm
I’m such a nerd.

Just like da Hairy Ape, Gab. He was engrossed in that show all through dinner. My friend staying here this week with her little one was subjected to an across the room TV festival while she ate with us after returning home earlier than expected.

I wonder if she would like to watch a DVD of the Ballet Russe with me.

Ha ha. Only DVD that works is in this room where he is settled in now.

Tit for tat, I say.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 10:30 pm
I’m such a nerd.

Yes, it was great – re-living moments like Sputnik, the many failed US rockets, Gargarin, Shepherd, and then Grissom.

Gus seemed to wear the bad luck for all the crew, from the near disastrous landing – did he ‘screw the pooch’? – to his untimely death.

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
This’ll all end in tears one day, Lizzie.

All it would take is for one bloke to ask “so, you’re husband’s not home for a while” and you’d be regretting it. But no, you’ll probably tell me you can fend off any man with a ballet kick to the groin, so some such guff.

I do believe tonights effort has been a plan of steve’s. He’s trying to get himself banned. I don’t think that comment yesterday morning asking to be banned was a joke but was literally a cry for help.

Steve is ill and we’re all mean to him.

I feel bad for you now steve.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 10:33 pm
sdfc, you are right when you say CGS are a very attractive asset, which prompts so many of them to be bought from overseas.

Tom’s point is that there shouldn’t be so many of them available. This is because when those overseas purchasers buy them, it forces up the AUD.

2dogs

14 Dec 12 at 10:36 pm
That’s a pity Tom. I’ve got my high heels on for you. Does that make a difference?

Next he’s going to ask you to turn on your webcam and pee with the bathroom door open, Tom. While his purported wife and his purported children are… well where are they this or any other given evening, SfB, and what do they imagine you’re doing on your computer all day and all night? Seriously, what do you tell them about his pathological “hobby” of yours?

Skeevy. As. Hell.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
I feel bad for you now steve.

Good. Good. Now just send money for my therapy, will you?

(Works here for the IPA, apparently.)

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 10:38 pm
There isn’t much CGS available.

sdfc

14 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Mr Gai Brodtmann has just run the Slapper’s interview on 7.30 Report ….

Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott… Mr Abbott…

If you squinted you would have thought it was Andrew Bolt or something. The woman is passing through the final stages of madness. Even the ALPBC were struggling to put any gloss on it.

H B Bear

14 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
If he starts texting anyone, keep logs.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 10:44 pm
Well, that was enjoyable. Even though released in 2008, I’d never seen the documentary When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions. It a series, beginning with the Mercury missions and next week it’s Project Gemini and so on.

I’m such a nerd.

It was good wasn’t it Gab?

I was flicking between it and “Carrier” which is about life on an aircraft carrier. Then on came some show about the logistics of war which was also interesting.

Then I flicked past ABC24 and copped the most embarrassing, childish “take” on the US fiscal cliff I’ve ever heard.

How bad was it? They ran some random democrat congressmans campaign ad as “support” for the narrative that it’s all the “childish”, evil republicans fault who are desperately trying to raise taxes on the middle class to cut taxes for the “top 2%”.

It was more partisan than anything I’ve seen even on nutty leftist sites on the internet.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 10:49 pm
I sympathise Tom. But we are dealing here with a weirdo who types with one hand while pleasuring himself about how many people here despise him. He has orgasms when he provokes reactions.

He also like to pompously reproduce tracts from greenslime web sites about CAGW, while not having any idea about science.

In the post Richmond Report world, he is ‘in the care of the community’. So treat him as you would the village idiot in olden days.

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 10:51 pm
Da Hairy One has trundled off to bed grunting, and we are left in peace to do some girl talk.

Somehow I missed that quote of Stevie’s giving me his good advice.

Glad I missed it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

14 Dec 12 at 10:51 pm
Now just send money for my therapy, will you?

The woman is passing through the final stages of madness.

FFS, now that they’re mad, please destroy them, God!

You know it makes sense…

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 10:52 pm
Great to see you back Steve from brisbane. Gab’s been a bit lost without you. She needs someone to ignore, like this:

I wouldn’t waste the saliva, SFB. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 6:41 pm

SFB, I hope you keep attempting to insult Lizzie. I quite enjoy her drubbing of you. It’s quite an art form really.Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:03 pm

SFB is just not into fun He tried it once Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:23 pm

This is fun, SFB. Keep yammering away. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:33 pm

I was thinking the same, Spot. What kind of mind goes from non-verbal flirtation to rape/murder in the same breath? Call the FBI, we need a profile on the unsub SFB. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:38 pm

SFB if a bloke wants to attack a female it really is not dependent upon whether she flirted with him or not. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:50 pm

You’re very strange, SFB. I said the Slutwalkers would be after you. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 7:58 pm

See, Lizzie? This is all your fault! You made SFB respond to your comment. You held a gun to his head and forced him to comment. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 8:14 pm

You’ll have argue with someone else, SFB. I’m watching the NASA Apollo series on SBS now. Gab 14 Dec 12 at 8:30 pm

SteveC

14 Dec 12 at 10:53 pm
Total Commonwealth Government Securities on Issue – $260,786m, consisting of:
Treasury Bonds – $223,148m
Treasury Indexed Bonds – $17,119m
Treasury Notes – $20,500m
Other Securities – $19m
As at 14 December 2012
Updated weekly
Face value amounts rounded to the nearest million.
Securities on issue subject to the limit under the Commonwealth Inscribed Stock Act 1911 total $256,199 million.
FMD.

Winston Smith

14 Dec 12 at 10:53 pm
This’ll all end in tears one day, Lizzie.

All it would take is for one bloke to ask “so, you’re husband’s not home for a while” and you’d be regretting it.

“AND YOU’D TOTES DESERVE IT, YOU YOU YOU FLIRTER YOU” he pants, while his wife and children look on in increasing concern.

sdog

14 Dec 12 at 10:54 pm
Are you in Australia at the moment sdawg? I sense an absence from the comforting presence of guns is unsettling your mind.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 10:57 pm
Good. Good. Now just send money for my therapy, will you?

I won’t enable you any longer Steve. I argued that you shouldn’t have been banned but now I see that for your own good it must be.

I’m actually serious, I notice that you often try and stay away but always come back on a binge after about two days. Perhaps because of your self loathing you then post nasty things towards lizzie and gab for a few hours after you cave in to your addiction.

You need some balance in your life and you need to purge this place from your mind. Only a good old fashioned two month banning will allow you to do that.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 11:00 pm
OK, things are quiet (except for gollum – ugh).

Elephant in the room – Christmas. Views?

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 11:02 pm
This blog was so much better when that oxygen stealing, bread thieving fuckwit SfB was banned. Now another contender emerges to challenge him

Tiny Dancer

14 Dec 12 at 11:04 pm
Over it on the secular front, Johanna.

On the religious side of things, it’s my second fave season after Easter.

nilk

14 Dec 12 at 11:04 pm
Isn’t it a little weird that all of a sudden SteveC who disappeared at exactly the same time that SfB did, has now returned…at the same time that SfB did?

And coincidentally his first post “helps” SfB attack Gab?

I’d say something about SteveC being a sock puppet but I’m afraid SfB would make a sexual “joke” about puppets.

twostix

14 Dec 12 at 11:06 pm
Hey shitfer! I assume you are quite OK with ABC News lying about warming in Casey, Antarctica this evening?

Temperature records (data, that is) show no such warming.

But all OK for ‘the cause’ eh?

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:08 pm
You’re late to the party, twostix. I had the same theory about Gab and CL about 3 or 4 years ago. Now I just settle for the lost twin theory; CL’s parents sold her for a sack of potatoes in Ireland after their house was razed to the ground by Winston Churchill. It would explain a lot…

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:10 pm
Awww, SteveC’s jealous I don’t pay him any attention. And look, he went to all that trouble to gather my gems twinkling throughout the thread. Ain’t that sweet? That’s just dedication for you and deserves a nod in acknowledgment. There ya go SteveC, feeling better now?

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 11:15 pm
I can’t be bothered reading the whole of this thread. Shall I just assume that Steve has disgraced himself more than a Amish boy on Rumspringa and been beaten harder than a Persian Rug on dusting day?

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 11:17 pm
Being what the current social constructs call an ‘introvert’, I have never enjoyed those ghastly family get-togethers, where people who sensibly avoid each other for the rest of the year are forced together.

The work ones were more fun, because you could just stand back and watch all kinds of weird and revealing behaviour. I recall an incident between a couple of intoxicated people on the front steps of our building, afterwards known as the ‘Stairway to Heaven”.

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 11:19 pm
No, not exactly, IT. I’ve been deemed a pervert for noting that a Woman Who Understands Women Who Want to Be Women who says she told her husband that she flirted with the tradesman while in her high heals the other day might not be taking the most sensible approach towards ass crack exposing strangers of the male persuasion under her roof.

But it turned out to all be a misunderstanding – she meant that she said “ta Luv” and smiled sweetly, and that was it. Or something.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:23 pm
C’mon shitfer! You know the whole CAGW scam is falling apart. I know it still appeals to rent seekers and those who cannot think for themselves, but sensible people have seen through it.

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:24 pm
and been beaten harder than a Persian Rug on dusting day?

……like being beaten harder than a ginger-haired stepchild?!

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 11:24 pm
Steve’s right, the refos made a choice to attempt the crossing. The Government is in no way culpable for their actions.

And those pink batts reduced house fires and cut the industry death rate.

Thanks, Labor!

C.L.

14 Dec 12 at 11:26 pm
Shitfer is ignoring me. Step 1..

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:26 pm
Do you often try and rape tradespeople or the Avon Lady, Steve? I’m not sure of your point. Flirting is a natural part of normal peoples day to day life.

I’m flirting with you right now.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 11:27 pm
Just as well you don’t know what he looks like; that could spoil the mood.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 11:28 pm
Outrage in Pakistan over the deployment of Hilary Clinton.

Poor Old Rafe

14 Dec 12 at 11:29 pm
Lazlo, I have not read the news and I’m sure it can wait.

Seems an intense cyclone has devastated Samoa, I heard on the radio. Seems a bit early in the season, no?

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:29 pm
Seems an intense cyclone has devastated Samoa

You must be tumescent with joy.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Found the temperature data from Casey to disprove that ABC News lied this evening about CAGW shitfer?

Didn’t think so…

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Don’t know, do have some data that suggests it is?

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Fail to understand why people here keep feeding the troll. Perhaps they have a symbiotic relationship with it that they should examine.

johanna

14 Dec 12 at 11:31 pm
Seems an intense cyclone has devastated Samoa, I heard on the radio. Seems a bit early in the season, no?

Oh dear, let’s burn a witch. What an idiot.

You have no scientific training at all do you shitfer?

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:33 pm
In the meantime, here’s a hot bit’o'that!

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 11:35 pm
Fail to understand why people here keep feeding the troll

I do it for very selfish reasons. I’m hoping he’ll once again have a nervous breakdown and shit himself. The last time this happened to Steve was hilarious and I’m looking to get high again.

Infidel Tiger

14 Dec 12 at 11:35 pm
Seems a bit early in the season, no?

Don’t know, SFB. Why don’t you go over the 85 recorded cyclones that have hit Samoa since 1831 and get back to us?

Gab

14 Dec 12 at 11:37 pm
Oh look, first world problems being used to guilt first worlders into donating money to third worlders.

While I have no objections to donating to worthy causes, rather than celebrating that our lives are so secure and we have so many awesome innovations, we are expected to feel bad and hand over the moola.

nilk

14 Dec 12 at 11:37 pm
Fail to understand why people here keep feeding the troll. Perhaps they have a symbiotic relationship with it that they should examine.

Have advocated precisely this before. It’s a tragedy of the commons.

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:39 pm
johanna, I think ‘symbiotic’ is a little too sophisticated for this relationship. It’s more of a one-sided, completely destructive relationship where the superior actors degrade the weaker one simply for their own gratification, and due to his inadequacies the weaker one refuses to leave.

The difference about this situation is that not even the most solicitous observer you could find would feel any sympathy.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 11:41 pm
Sh*tfer:

You … (lots of hysterical tripe excised) [have] been rather problematic for me from the start.

Thank God. (phew. wipes brow)

Imagine how hideous it would be for me if a loathesome twisted perverted thing like that liked me.

I dodged an bucket of filth there!

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:44 pm
In fact, I suspect Mother Theresa would join in.

John Mc

14 Dec 12 at 11:45 pm
There’s a PhD for the asking John Mc

Lazlo

14 Dec 12 at 11:46 pm
johanna, remember the bear hunter joke?

SfB doesn’t come here for the hunting. He comes here to be humiliated. He likes that a lot.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:50 pm
Close your eyes and look at me

I can’t believe what I cannot see…

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 11:54 pm
That’s interesting. IT used “tumescent”, which doesn’t get much of a run outside of novels these days, but I see that dictionary.com gives it 3 definitions:

1.swelling; slightly tumid.
2.exhibiting or affected with many ideas or emotions; teeming.
3.pompous and pretentious, especially in the use of language; bombastic.

Using number 3, I can safely say that Mk50 is the most tumescent participant on this blog.

steve from brisbane

14 Dec 12 at 11:55 pm
Lazlo, I have not read the news and I’m sure it can wait.

Seems an intense cyclone has devastated Samoa, I heard on the radio. Seems a bit early in the season, no?

What, like Tracy in 1974 which hit in December?

You’ve got major problems. You enjoy being hated and enjoy people suffering for your stupid religion. And you have a very unhealthy attitude towards women.

brc

14 Dec 12 at 11:57 pm
I can safely say that Mk50 is the most tumescent participant on this blog.

Having excused your not so good self, of course…

Rabz

14 Dec 12 at 11:57 pm
I’m not entirely sure if No 2 can be used in a complimentary way, but if so, I will say that there is a certain tumescence always evident at my eclectic blog, I think….

steve from brisbane

15 Dec 12 at 12:00 am
This multiple meaning would have been handy for Peter Slipper to know. “James, I’m feeling a certain unwanted tumescence tonight. Will you have a drink with me and help me deal with it?”

steve from brisbane

15 Dec 12 at 12:04 am
I can safely say that Mk50 is the most tumescent participant on this blog.

Awesome. So now you’re gonna demand that Mk50 leave the toilet door open for you as well?

Geez mate, you give homos a bad name. They’re not all sluts you know.

sdog

15 Dec 12 at 12:08 am
Well that’s it from me tonight. Thank you. Thank you. You’ve been a great crowd.

steve from brisbane

15 Dec 12 at 12:11 am
Saw a story today about a guy and his wife being seriously injured while changing a tyre in the pull-over zone on the freeway. Another story not long ago about someone being killed in similar circumstances. How does this happen? Are people driving on a freeway blind?

johanna

15 Dec 12 at 12:17 am
Gab
2:36 pm

They missed the one of her falling flat on her face.

Or should that be ones?

kae

15 Dec 12 at 12:23 am
Kae, you mean gillard fell over when visiting the troops?

Gab

15 Dec 12 at 12:25 am
Rabz

The deceased deserves a Darwin Award.

Nope, he was a father of three. He’s not eligible for a Darwin.

kae

15 Dec 12 at 12:32 am
I promised I’d be back after dinner SfB

DaveF

15 Dec 12 at 2:00 am
Sorry SfB I’d love to co0ntinue discussing this with you but I have to duck out for dinner.

I’ll be back later if you want to be a nightowl.

DaveF
14 Dec 12 at 5:46 pm

I’m afraid it was a bit later than expected.

DaveF

15 Dec 12 at 2:05 am
Hi Gab
The only photo missing is the obligatory “Gillard throws a shoe and falls flat on her face” one.

kae

16 Dec 12 at 9:50 am

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