Hansard is a record of what was said

The ALP are trying to make some political mischief over the RU486 debate from 2006.

Health Minister Tanya Plibersek on Tuesday night called on Mr Abbott to clarify his position on RU486 and abortion. She said as health minister he had voted in parliament to maintain his veto over the use of RU486, but he now said he didn’t oppose the drug.

Compare that sort of comment with what the then leader of the ALP Kim Beasley said during the Parliamentary debate (pg. 38-39):

I think the level of focus that has been on the minister’s moral convictions has been unfair. This minister temporarily holds the position of minister for health. I can think of ministers on both sides of the House who have a very different moral outlook from him, and I can think of ministers in the future on both sides of the House who will have a very different moral outlook from him. It really is not about Tony Abbott at all or Tony Abbott’s convictions. As I have already indicated, there is some level of moral sympathy on my behalf with his convictions in this area. And I understand his difficulty, having the moral convictions that he has, presiding in the portfolio that he does.

This is not an issue of confidence in Tony Abbott; this is an issue of sensible statement about where decision making ought to reside in relation to the approval of drugs, dangerous or otherwise.

We should leave this place without any bitterness in our hearts towards any person involved in this debate but with the very greatest pride that we are elected by the people to be here.

But Beasley is long gone from the Parliament. What of the current leader Julia Gillard? (pg. 58 emphasis added)

I am pro-choice—I strenuously object to the terminology ‘pro-abortion’; I have never met anybody who is pro-abortion and I am not. I understand that those who have a different view about abortion to mine—those who are not pro-choice—might be concerned if there was evidence that the availability of RU486 increased the abortion rate. There is no such evidence. If you look around the world, there is no such evidence that RU486 increases the abortion rate. Whilst I respect the moral compass of those who do not believe in choice, I do not understand a circumstance where people say ‘morality lies in the method’. That is what I think we are looking at today. I do not see why people should say there is a moral difference between surgical abortions or medical abortions. I do not see how that can be put.

If you read through all of the debate over those two days (February 15 and 16, 2006) you will see a lot of stated mutual respect for differing opinions. Most MPs were clear that the debate wasn’t about abortion per se but about process. So why now are the ALP claiming otherwise?

It is unfortunate that Plibersek seems to have had nothing to say to the Parliament over those two days the bill was debated.

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48 Responses to Hansard is a record of what was said

  1. V Smith

    I don’t understand why someone who is pro-choice would not be pro-abortion. What is so bad about abortion that would lead someone to say “I have never met anybody who is pro-abortion”?

  2. stackja

    ALP likes to rewrite history to help their cause.

  3. Luke

    “So why now are the ALP claiming otherwise?”

    Duh! Becasue the next election will be all about lady parts. If it worked for a black man of the left then it’s sure to work for a white woman of the left.

    Get set as female Labor politicians turn their campaigns into Think Pink campaigns. Missing Labor badging, pink signage and all the Emily’s listers there is to be found. I expect to see some ads with female celebrities talking about who they trust to protect women/who’ll set back women.

    The environment is a not a political winner anymore, so it’s time to double down on the message that this election is all about keeping out the misogynists before they ‘set back women’s rights half a centuary’… or ‘steal your lady parts’ if that’s more recognisable for ya.

    Has the added advantage of keeping Gillard in the leadership. Labor can hardly peg it’s colours to the good ship feminism and then roll it’s female leader.

  4. Gab

    Mr Jenkins:This debate is not about the approval of the drug; it is about the process that might be used for that approval to go forward. To discuss it in the context that we think there is finality decries the TGA’s opportunity to go about its business. Given that RU486 can be used not just as an abortifacient but for other purposes that I think people would not debate—for instance, as an anticancer drug—let us remember that what we are asking the TGA to consider is the safety and efficacy of this drug in a process that is legal, and that this piece of legislation does not in any way go to the legality of abortion or otherwise.

    ————–
    Luke, yes you are spot on. It’s a very transparent tactic that worked well for Obama and despite gillard decrying the use of American political tactics in Australia, that’s exactly what she is doing.

  5. Andrew

    Emily’s List is at work again, totally misleading the public so that it can progress it’s feminist cause. It also has to be noted that Abbott actually voted against the RU486 drug because the Health Department stated it was dangerous. People like Plibersek and Ellis like to mislead people on such issues.

  6. Tiny Dancer

    Get set as female Labor politicians turn their campaigns into Think Pink campaigns. Missing Labor badging, pink signage and all the Emily’s listers there is to be found.

    That is exactly what the ALP did in the Brisbane seat of Ashgrove earlier this year. They took every opportunity of playing the man and did little else. I hope they have the same success.

  7. Gab

    Gillard 2013: Vote with your lady parts.

  8. Lysander Spooner

    I’d abort this topic; deprive it of oxygen….it’s just not worth it.

  9. .

    I really don’t think Australians are doctrinaire about abortion.

    This matters to…the culture warriors.

    We have compulsory voting so the dynamics are not the same as in the US.

  10. C.L.

    Good old Kim Beazley.

    A decent fellow whose decency, alas, only undergirded a systemic weakness.

  11. Paul

    Gillard and her sisterhood are sowing disunity at the most basic level i.e between the sexes for political gain. This is lower than dividing along ideological, religious, or other lines. This cuts to the very nature of what binds us, our shared humanity and they are reaching into that to promote division. She must have incredible contempt for all Australians. No wonder she loves cavorting with her fellow globalist traitors so much.

  12. Bruce

    Tanya is probably happy that RU486 wasn’t available for her mum to use.

  13. Token

    Gillard 2013: Vote with your lady parts.

    Which party is trying to court the group who believe it is their “cultural right” to remove the lady parts of infant girls?

  14. Gab

    30 August 2012

    The drugs for medical termination of pregnancy, Mifepristone Linepharma (RU 486) and GyMiso® (misoprostol) have been registered today by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) for wider use in Australia following an application for registration of the medicines by Marie Stopes International Australia.

    Mifepristone has been available in Australia since 2006 through the TGA Authorised Prescriber Scheme. With the medicine now included on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG), medical termination will now be available to a wider group of Australian women.

    Under the provisions of the registration, Marie Stopes International Australia is introducing the medicines in a controlled way for the safe use of the medicines, including a tailored educational package which they have developed and will be made available for medical practitioners who wish to prescribe mifepristone.

    This will mean that only medical practitioners recognised by Marie Stopes International Australia as having completed appropriate training will be able to prescribe the medicines.

  15. Des Deskperson

    Token is right. The whole ‘progressive’ social agenda of the ALP has to be looking shakey now that a whole bunch of influential Labor MPs have shown they are s**t scared of losing the Moslem vote.

  16. Gab

    “Losing the Moslem vote” or afraid of a beheading.

  17. .

    Under the provisions of the registration, Marie Stopes International Australia is introducing the medicines in a controlled way for the safe use of the medicines, including a tailored educational package which they have developed and will be made available for medical practitioners who wish to prescribe mifepristone.

    This will mean that only medical practitioners recognised by Marie Stopes International Australia as having completed appropriate training will be able to prescribe the medicines.

    WTF?

  18. C.L.

    …Marie Stopes International Australia is introducing the medicines in a controlled way…

    August 1939:

    Dear Herr Hitler,

    Love is the greatest thing in the world: so will you accept from me these (poems) that you may allow the young people of your nation to have them?

    - Marie Stopes

  19. Under the provisions of the registration, Marie Stopes International Australia is introducing the medicines in a controlled way for the safe use of the medicines, including a tailored educational package which they have developed and will be made available for medical practitioners who wish to prescribe mifepristone.

    This will mean that only medical practitioners recognised by Marie Stopes International Australia as having completed appropriate training will be able to prescribe the medicines.

    The abortion-industrial complex clipping the ticket?

  20. This Marie Stopes?

    In 1919 she urged the National Birth Rate Commission to support mandatory sterilisation of parents who were diseased, prone to drunkenness or of bad character.

    In 1920, in her book Radiant Motherhood, she demanded “the sterilisation of those totally unfit for parenthood be made an immediate possibility, indeed made compulsory“.

    Her 1921 slogan was: “Joyful and Deliberate Motherhood, A Safe Light in our Racial Darkness.”

    As a letter writer to yesterday’s paper pointed out, her organisation was called the Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress and her clinics were situated in poor areas, to reduce the birth rate of the local residents.

    And it’s her fan club gonna be in charge of this stuff?

  21. dover_beach

    Nothing has changed, sdog.

  22. Luke

    Deskperson – the left and Islamists both have the common goal of undermining the West. So you can see why leftists support the Islamics, even though they would be the first to face the ‘literal’ chop if Islam won over the West.

    “I really don’t think Australians are doctrinaire about abortion.” It’s not really about abortion is it. And precisly becasue Australians are not doctrinaire about abortion is why it works better as a proxy in the war between the sexes in Australia than it does in the US.

  23. Chistery

    Plibersek and Emerson are my two least favourite politicians. Neither can open their mouth without mentioning Tony Abbott. If the media did not occasionally remind us what they are the minister for, you’d never remember. Pollies that just stick to their portfolio, explain what they are doing and why, even if I disagree, get far greater respect from me than those loathsome clowns.

  24. dover_beach

    I really don’t think Australians are doctrinaire about abortion.

    This matters to…the culture warriors.

    I’m out and proud, dot.

  25. .

    I have nothing against you for holding your views DB.

    It’s just that a lot less people care either way. There is also a lot of ignorance too.

  26. Token

    “I really don’t think Australians are doctrinaire about abortion.” It’s not really about abortion is it.

    There is a strange and ghastly correlation between the people who endorse unrestricted abortions and those who get agressive & campaign to stop cattle being exported to be killed in foreign abortiors.

  27. John Mc

    There is a strange and ghastly correlation between the people who endorse unrestricted abortions and those who get agressive & campaign to stop cattle being exported to be killed in foreign abortiors.

    Yeah, that’s weird shit. It’s based heavily in a hatred of humanity.

  28. candy

    Perhaps Australians see abortion as a private matter and don’t tend to force their views on others,
    but the Labor Party is set to try and whip something up to try and damage Tony Abbott.

  29. dover_beach

    Perhaps Australians see abortion as a private matter

    Perhaps, but the idea that abortion is a private matter is ridiculous. As absurd as a slave-owner observing in 1820 that slavery is a ‘private’ matter to be left to the conscience of each individual slave-owner.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    What is interesting is that the interview with the lemon-sucking Plibersek was on the subject of “Female Genital Mutilation in the Muslim Community”
    She was dragged kicking and screaming to this issue only because the NSW Lib Government and NSW Plod had taken action.
    Her responses on that were piss-weak …. heavy on “education” and “cultural change programs” and “community consultation” and light on “barbaric” and “enforce the law“. No mention of rolling it into the child abuse Royal Commission, for example.
    All aimed at sounding concerned but not frightening the horses among the (alleged) terrorists in Western Sydney.
    Next thing, aided and abetted by Uhlmann, she launches into Abbott, misrepresenting his position on RU486.
    At the commencement of this ‘mutilation interview’ I laughingly said to Mrs Lowe “I wonder how she will work Abbott into this one?”
    Fuck me ….. 5 minutes in and the contortionist has managed it (helped by the ABC luvvies of course).

  31. blind freddy

    Straight from the Obama playbook

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Which party is trying to court the group who believe it is their “cultural right” to remove the lady parts of infant girls?

    Token and Des … yep … missed your comments on the way through.
    See my post above about how Plibersek managed to divert an awkward moment about FGM (as we like to call Female Genital Mutilation to sanitise it) into an Abbott-Abbott-Abbott moment

  33. Leigh Lowe

    Perhaps Australians see abortion as a private matter

    OK.
    Fund it with private money then.

  34. Token

    Perhaps Australians see abortion as a private matter and don’t tend to force their views on others,

    By contrast to their views and actions about killing cattle and whales…

  35. Token

    See my post above about how Plibersek managed to divert an awkward moment about FGM

    You expanded well on what is a critical matter which should not be hidden by spin from Plibersek and the userful idiots in the Stenographers Guild who are willing to look the other way when infants are barbarically maimed.

  36. old bloke

    OK.
    Fund it with private money then.

    Absolutely, I disagree with child slaughter and resent having to pay for it through my Medicare levy. Let those who want it pay for it themselves.

  37. Pedro

    “Gillard 2013: Vote with your lady parts.”

    That’d be pretty amazing pelvic floor control. And perhaps a little smeary on the voting paper.

  38. candy

    “OK.
    Fund it with private money then.”

    Yes, I’d agree with that, for sure.

  39. Pedro

    ‘Perhaps Australians see abortion as a private matter”

    I’d guess that Australians see pretty much all medical issues as private. That’s why we have rules about it, so I don’t think there is any privacy basis for a principled objection to public funding of abortions. If there is an objection it is that abortion is elective in the vast majority of cases.

  40. Pedro

    I’d be surprised if the abbott is anti tactic will shift significant votes. We don’t have the religious nuts controlling a big chunk of the coalition and so people who are pro-abortion have nothing to worry about.

    The seed for the fear campaign is just not there. The only people who are desperatey afraid about this already vote labor or greens.

  41. .

    That’s why we have rules about it, so I don’t think there is any privacy basis for a principled objection to public funding of abortions.

    Um, it’s public money?

    I agree. This does not get people fired up, generally.

  42. Pedro

    “Um, it’s public money?”

    Yes, but bowel disease is pretty private too! The correct objection is that abortion is elective so public funding of abortion is us paying to have less of us in the future.

  43. .

    So what, you can’t conscientiously obeject?

  44. brc

    If abortion does pop up as a serious debating matter in the federal election we truly have entered the twilight zone. It just isn’t a big issue here.

    Where are they going to attack anyway? Woildn’t abbots response be ‘we have no plans to change any law relating to abortions’

    As a vote-changer, I think it is even more useless than same sex marriage.

  45. Gab

    If abortion does pop up as a serious debating matter in the federal election we truly have entered the twilight zone.

    Abortion law is the jurisdiction of individual states not Federal government.

  46. Pedro

    Gab, you failed to notice the new improved constitution approved by the High Ct in the dams case.

  47. old bloke

    If abortion does pop up as a serious debating matter in the federal election we truly have entered the twilight zone.

    I am not advocating that abortion should emerge as an election issue, my point is I find the practice reprehensible and I don’t want to contribute towards it through my Medicare levy. Provision should be made in our annual tax returns which would allow us to decide where ~10% of the levy is distributed. Those who want to contribute to the killing machine can do so, I would rather direct my funds to extra dental care for pensioners, or extra funds to households with a disabled child, or such like.

    Give me the right to choose, I am after all “pro-choice”.

  48. Pedro

    LOL, “I’ll pay my tax, just make sure none of my dollars find their way to the abortion clinic!”

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