The war on Fat

The war on obesity is getting serious. There is talk of the need for rationing!

Is it conceivable that some form of food rationing and portion control may help address the dramatic rise in obesity and the sustainability of our foods supply? If we continue to over-consume foods in unsustainable ways for both our health and our planet, we may be left with no other choice.

That’s called “empower[ing] people to change their eating behaviour.” Not a bad idea – it’s worked before:

During the second world war (1939–1945), the British government introduced food rationing with a point system in every household. Everyone was allocated a number of points a month and certain food items, such as meat, fish, biscuits, sugar, fats, and tea, were rationed.

Every adult was given a total of 16 points a month and could choose how to spend these points. Special supplements were available for young children, pregnant women, and people with certain diseases. Wartime food shortages and government directives forced people to adopt different eating patterns. They ate considerably less meat, eggs, and sugar than they do today.

Rationing was enforced in Britain for 14 years, and continued after the war had ended. Meat was finally derationed in June 1954. Petrol was also rationed, so people stopped buying and using cars, and public transport was limited. There was no “obesity epidemic” as food supply and travel was limited, meaning people ate less and did more physical exercise (walking).

Interestingly, during the years when rationing was enforced, the prevalence of obesity was negligible in the United Kingdom.

Not to mention the nightly bombings, fear of invasion, etc.

Update: Fire and Ice in comments:

There will be no fat tax under the government that I will lead, but I am determined to put a price on obesity.

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184 Responses to The war on Fat

  1. .

    Anyone who supports this idea can go into a labour camp for five years first and report back on the data they have collected.

  2. RedneckRuss

    Hmmm,

    Another acadaemic telling me how to live. When you are paying my bills you can tell me how to live. What is it with acadaemics? Why do they all have this “who died and made you God” complex. I have relatives who did rationing, why do you think so many emigrated from poor old Labour Britian after the war? As a voluntary for the dangerously obese maybe but only just.

    Be careful, be very careful!

    RussR

  3. The Trade Union Party needs something to replace their Tree Food scam.

    What better than a black market in food.

  4. Sinclair Davidson

    . – I’m sure North Korea has rationing. Perhaps a fact-finding mission there?

  5. Johno

    The Fat Mafia was gearing up for a Great Big Obesity Scare campaign until the all conquering Great Big Global Warming scam overtook it.

    Now that people are seeing through the plant food scam, the Fat Mafia is gearing up again.

    Follow where the money goes to figure out who is behind it. A new UN body would be a dead give away.

  6. Oh good grief.

    Please tell me that’s Alene Composta’s long lost sister?

  7. tbh

    Good grief, there are no words. Hey Mr/Madam Academic, how about you get your nose out of my private affairs. I’ll eat what I want when I want thank you very much. Funnily enough I’m not obese either. Fancy the idea that most adults in Australia are capable of looking after themselves?

  8. Gab

    The war on fat will be as successful as the war on drugs.

  9. Johno

    . – I’m sure North Korea has rationing. Perhaps a fact-finding mission there?

    Since when have the Left’s scare campaigns been based on facts!

    Honestly Sinclair, what were you thinking with such a ludicrous suggestion. :-)

  10. Sinclair Davidson

    If we cut the dole all those poor people wouldn’t be able to afford to eat. They’d have to get exercise walking to work. Win, win, win.

  11. Fire and Ice

    There will be no fat tax under the government that I will lead, but I am determined to put a price on obesity.

  12. Hey, you know what else would work? Wiring the jaws of every single Australian man, woman and child, and then making everyone front to their local chemist once a day to collect and ingest (on site, like methadone, so nothing makes it to a black market) a liquid supplement which would provide 100% (and not a smidge more) of their daily allotted nutrients & calories.

    No more food allowed. Ever. No allowing citizens to make their own choices – leave it all to the State. No citizen would henceforth ever be overweight; everyone would get the precise levels of nutrients required for optimal health.

    YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!

  13. Des Deskperson

    The University of Canberra offers several degrees in health and health related courses, inclung B. Health and B. Human Nutrition. I assume that Dr Davey, as a Professor in the Faculty of Health, has at least some responsibility for the content and quality of therse courses.

    It would, of course, be unfair and offensive to compare the work of Prof Davey and her colleagues to that of zoo attendants, but it is interesting to note that the 2012 ATAR cut off for entry to most if not all of the Faculty’s courses was only 65!

  14. candy

    Called obesity a “disease” or “disorder” is disempowering.

  15. C.L.

    Too late for Chris Christie.

  16. H B Bear

    I think the North Koreans can thank the lo-cal grass and bark diet for the lack of of obesity under the Dear Leader. Senator Conroy can only dream of that level of State control.

  17. hammygar

    Please tell me that’s Alene Composta’s long lost sister?

    Who the hell is Alana Composta?

  18. Matt

    We have finally got government out of our bedrooms and now people want to let them in our kitchens!

  19. Jannie

    Some people will just eat themselves to death if not restrained. Their ability to put on weight was genetically favourable in pre capitalist scarcity, now its a handicap. Natural selection is neutral.

    But in the future, socialist induced scarcity may again make the ‘fat gene’ advantageous to survival.

  20. Too late for Chris Christie.

    Donut-scented manwhore.

  21. .

    Des

    When I finished school, a B Eng only needed a score on the UAI scale of 80.00, from UNSW.

  22. The lovely Cassandra Wilkinson had a good piece in the Oz today: Meddling to do a fat lot of good

    And on Twitter, Prick with a Fork too points out the incongruity of people demanding the government stay out of peoples’ bedrooms but take control of their fridges.

    #SMH

  23. brc

    As someone with several very obese relatives, I can tell you the problem is not the availability of high calories foods. While obviously scarfing a McDonalds meal on the way home from work isn’t going to help, closing down McDonalds won’t help either.

    The problems with obesity, in my opinion, are all mental. The fat person chooses to sit on the couch and stuff food into their mouth. That doesn’t happen unless the thing between the ears wants it to. Something is wrong with a big subset of people as a whole, and that’s what makes them overeat and do nothing to stop the trend once it starts.

    I have no idea of the solution. Putting a fitness fanatic in PM would do no harm, however.

    Things that would do further harm are: (1) allowing kids to escape PE and sports during school and (2) making it possible to sue someone for calling you a fattie.

    Ultimately though, if someone wants to eat themselves into an early grave, their choice has to be respected. Reinforcing a victim culture (it woz McDonalds that did it) with special help is definitely counterproductive. Any overweight person can solve the problem by walking to the shops every day for a basket full of vegetables to have for dinner. So we don’t need any more prescriptive cures. Just role models and making sure the right information is easily available.

  24. brc

    Called obesity a “disease” or “disorder” is disempowering.

    Candy, your short, succinct sentence says what I was trying to waffle towards. Much better. End the victim culture, it’s a choice that the fat people make.

  25. DaveF

    When I read the article I knew we were dealing with an extremist. And public health extremists have ALWAYS been part of the anti smoking lobbyist group.

    Always. It’s a golden rule that they cut their teeth there then move to other Badgering Movements.

    I checked her CV and it seemed fairly clean – a lot of papers on sports injury and bone problems. All good.

    Then BINGO it appeared:

    Smoking in 18-40 year old women: An Appearance-related Intervention

    The study will pilot the use of age-progression software in young women smokers to determine effectiveness in terms of effect on intention to smoke, smoking-related attitudes, and smoking behavior. Funded by the Department of Health, NHS Stoke.

    The golden rule stands.

  26. Borisgodunov

    Perhaps the diet in the Nazi cocentration camps would eliminate obesity?
    It would need an Extremist Fascist Government to implement this type of plan,perhaps there is a political party which is into Extremism? Maybe a Left Wing Dictatorial group led by a redheaded liar who sleeps with other womens husbands! Any suggestions Comrades?

  27. I got modestly internet-famous earlier in the year for this.

  28. papachango

    An effective approach may be for governments to implement radical policy change – regulate food consumption and control the food industry in a similar way to the tobacco industry.

    (my highlights)

    Fuck me dead. These are chilling words.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    We have finally got government out of our bedrooms and now people want to let them in our kitchens!

    Yep, we’ve won the right to put cocks in our mouths, but not deep fried chicken.

    The worst thing about the war on obesity is that the morons waging the war still believe that eating fat makes people fat.

  30. RedneckRuss

    Cassandra Wilkinson yuuummmmmm, grrrrrr,

    If I’m not mistaken she is the very sharp minded lady and ex union workforce representative Bolta often has as a panelist. To the point, answers questions and a bit left leaning but not ideologically braindead. Am I correct?

    If so one of the new hopes of the left maybe?

    RussR

  31. boy on a bike

    Smoking stops you feeling hungry.

    Solution – make all fatties take up smoking.

    You know it makes sense.

  32. candy

    “I got modestly internet-famous earlier in the year for this.”

    Net calorie balance like you say, is all it comes down to. Luckily most food articles have the calories detailed on the packets today, a big help to do the maths and keep to the recommended intake.

  33. .

    Russ

    If the ALP were like Cass Wilkinson, we wouldn’t have much of a problem.

    But of course, they’re not.

  34. Adam Diver

    Apparently obesity is more prevalent in lower-income households. The solution is obvious gie these people more money!!!

  35. Gibbo

    Well, I may be fat but I still put up a pretty good fight. Come and get my bacon… I dare’s ya!

  36. thefrollickingmole

    sdog

    You were going so well with your modest proposal… But its not “YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!” its “Think of the cheeeeeldren” which short circuits the rational part of the brain best.

    Again I dig out this quote…

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    C. S. Lewis

    These people are moral perverts, no better than snowdroppers of upskirters. That the circles they move in approve of their perversion doesnt make it right.

    I detest them, spurn and abjure them, they are deeply damaged people looking to save themselves by instructing others on whats proper.

  37. papachango

    From the links to other related pieces at The Conversation, I notice a couple of my other predictions coming true:

    - first use of the phrase ‘Big Food’; and
    - a reasonably serios suggestion of plain packaging for ‘unhealthy’ foods.

    How long before they attack Big Wine, or Big Alcohol, and the luvvies favourite tipple is in a drab olive bottle lablelled ‘margaret River Chardonnay’ (e.g. compulsory cleanskins for all)

  38. You’re quite right, TFM. I stand corrected :-/

  39. DaveF

    I think Cassandra Wilkinson is still a member of the ALP. She mentioned it on a debate on CounterPoint a while ago.

    It stuck in my mind because I thought it a bit odd for a journo to be a member of a party.

  40. DaveF

    papachango the war on Big Chateau Cardboard is well under way.

  41. DaveF

    From a scare article on Lead Beaters possum at the same site there was this gem:

    Mountain Ash forests are the most carbon-dense in the world. The carbon offset value is worth tens of billions of dollars to Victorians – if Mountain Ash and Alpine Ash forests remain unlogged.

    Sooooo….if the Vic government gazettes EVERY acre of forest in the state as loggable….the the next day remove 90% from the list those 90% of forests have been ‘saved’….sooooo they can sell carbon credits based on that.

    Soooo…you’re insane.

  42. Sooooo….if the Vic government gazettes EVERY acre of forest in the state as loggable….the the next day remove 90% from the list those 90% of forests have been ‘saved’….sooooo they can sell carbon credits based on that.

    What.

    I’m planning on funding my retirement with carbon credits earnt by not burning that pile of tires in my backyard I was thinking of burning, and several more to boot.

  43. Pickles

    There is also the link between obesity and
    gambling

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Help! I sometimes like to eat in bed. But not with an audience.

    And matters occasionally get a bit naughty in the kitchen, beyond things culinary.

    At Chez Ape et Lizzie it’s all a little too extempore and out of place for a neat set of bureaucratically supervised laws to operate against our non-obesity.

    So I’m telling you, this plan will all end in tears. Or at the least with some very startled Stazi on the check-up run.

    They’ll need to take extra care Chez Nous if they go down Tobacco Road on this. Da Hairy Age would not take kindly in our mutli-purpose multi-area domestic environment to health warnings and plain packaging of his conjugal pleasures all lumped together in a job lot with eating for ease of room checking.

  45. DaveF

    Oh Pickles *shakes fist*

    The wig did me in.

  46. C.L.

    Everything’s treated as a “disease” nowadays.

    Except AIDS, of course.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    ooops, Poor Ape. I’ve prematurely aged him.

    Hairy Ape, not Hairy Age.

    I will leave all to explore further the antics of the Kitchen Stazi.

    I am of to ….. another party!! High heels on. Wheeee.

  48. BM

    Even if you agree with the War on Cigarettes*, you can’t use the same arguments in the War on Junk Food.

    Eating is a primary driver. If you don’t eat you die. If you don’t smoke, you don’t die.

    Regulating something completely unrequired by the body is one thing*, but regulating that which you need to live to make sure you do it right is entirely another.

    Equating food with cigarettes is, dare I say it, as utterly ridiculous as equating one of nature’s vital ingredients, carbon dioxide, with pollution!

    * I’m not arguing for or against the regulation of cigarettes. My point is tying obesity to smoking is a stupid argument regardless.

  49. Rousie

    A junk food trading scheme would be more efficient, with perhaps a floor price on a Big Mac

  50. Rousie

    Plus we can’t get left behind the rest of the world in the healthy food futcha…

  51. kae

    Points, you mean like weightwatchers?

  52. Bruce

    perhaps a floor price on a Big Mac

    Can’t do that, you’d disrupt international economics. How could we live without the Big Mac Index?

  53. Rousie

    The staff at Maccas could all get shiny new healthy food jobs in the new healthy food economy

  54. Tom

    The health Nazis are emboldened by the fact that Australia’s fascist cigarette packaging laws were actually enacted without mass public protest. They now dare to dream that Big Government will be allowed to assume control of citizens’ daily food intake. I pray that the WTO will stand up for citizens’ rights and illegalise Plibersek’s outrageous precedent. It makes me intensely angry that that the cigarette law was pushed through by a minority government without a clear mandate. I hasten to add that I am a non-smoker.

  55. Rousie

    Am looking forward to duckbum’s obesity speech.

  56. Gab

    If you don’t smoke, you don’t die.

    Really? You can guarantee this?

  57. DaveF

    The scandal of the plain packaging thing is that Nanny Roxon was willing to risk a $3 billion compo payments to the fag companies.

    That was a hell of a lot of money to stake on a court case.

    And also to risk trade sanctions as well.

    Pathological.

  58. Biota

    Another one for Nanny Roxon:

    All food to be sold in plain packaging.

  59. papachango

    papachango the war on Big Chateau Cardboard is well under way.

    yes but so far Luvvie Hill Late Harvested Pinot Grigio has escaped scrutiny. Whereas even Rey Del Mundo cigarsa re plain packaged. It’s just a matter of time… can’t make exceptions for the toffs after all, can we?

    Even if you agree with the War on Cigarettes*, you can’t use the same arguments in the War on Junk Food.

    Well that’s exactly what they’re doing.

  60. Tal

    The PM needs to start jogging around The Lodge every morning

  61. Cold-Hands

    The PM needs to start jogging around The Lodge every morning

    Well it worked for John Howard…

  62. BM

    Okay Gab, I see where you’re going with this.

    Perhaps I should have added “as a result”.

    I had hoped that part was implied.

  63. DaveF

    Luvvie Hill Late Harvested Pinot Grigio

    Had a fair bit of that at the next door neighbours get together for the street on Saturday. I’m in my forties and was probably the youngest one there.

    There is nothing worse than 60 year olds switching to the red and getting disgracefully drunk. Utter carnage.

    Lucky they didn’t have far to walk home.

  64. papachango

    Yep, we’ve won the right to put cocks in our mouths, but not deep fried chicken.

    Gold :D If this isn’t too rude, can it be a Liberty Quote?

  65. squawkbox

    The PM needs to start jogging around The Lodge every morning

    Thank you for that mental image, Tal. And I had hoped to stay sober for a few days.

  66. As the Chief Prick also points out, University of Canberra’s Doctor Professor Rachel Davey’s unit is called the Centre for Research & Action in Public Health.

    Or C.R.A.P. Health for short.

    Which is pretty awesome.

  67. So… are we sure she’s not Alene Composta’s long-lost sister?

  68. papachango

    erm DaveF, Pinot Grigio is a white wine grape ;-)

    Anyway donesn’t matter – they’ll probably make it illegal to name the grape variety. It will just be an olive green bottle with the words ‘red wine’ or ‘white wine’ on it, unless you can get your hands on an exported one.

    Already they’re seriously considering forcing winemakers to lower the alcohol content.

  69. BM

    papachango, my point was that it’s a fallacious argument to equate the two.

    Maybe I should go back to lurking :)

  70. Fisky

    Notice how the Left’s solutions to both the phony carbon scare and the phony obesity scare are the same – bring back rationing. They never seriously renounced Communism at all, just fishing around for a new rationale after the setback of ’89.

  71. Samuel J

    There is a statistically significant decline in life expectancy for those who spent their formative years under the rationing scheme Sinclair mentioned compared with those who came before.

  72. Philippa Martyr

    Soylent Green is people!

  73. Anne

    We’ll have to start shooting Mallard to supplement!

  74. Will

    papachango, my point was that it’s a fallacious argument to equate the two.

    Maybe I should go back to lurking

    I understood what you meant.

    But to these people adverse health outcomes are a result of smoking and obesity, despite that fact that there is very little evidence to support the suggestion that obesity result in lower life expectancy, in fact it has no impact at all.

    As to the idea that obesity causes other diseases like diabetes, heart disease and/or cancer I am agnostic. I have not seen any evidence one way or the other.

  75. NoFixedAddress

    Sinclair,

    Being tied to a post and whipped should strip the fat off people.

    After all, isn’t that what misogyny means, or do I have the wrong dictionary.

    Ahhh…sorry. I’m in the wrong country!

  76. Dan

    The acronym is CRAP Health.. sure they are not having a lend??

  77. Derp

    Oh spare me.

    Scratch a busybody and so often you will find the same need for State compulsion in bans and restrictions to infantilise and change the behaviour of the mindless proles.

  78. Samuel J

    Interesting that the country which has the most obesity – Australia – is also the one which has the strictest regulations on smoking and drinking. Perhaps the take away is that excessive regulation encourages obesity?

  79. kae

    brc

    It’s not necessarily overeating that makes one obese. It’s eating the wrong things, too many carbs for starters when you lead a couch potato life.

  80. Derp

    It’s the thin edge of the pizza I tells ya.

  81. sdfc

    Not eating carbs is a pretty efficient way of losing weight.

  82. Dr Faustus

    Abuser pays. Anyone with a BMI >30 goes to the back of the public health queue for coronary surgery, obesity related cancers, treatment for type-2 diabetes, hip/knee reconstructions.

    People with hugely fat arses are disqualified from any public office.

  83. JC

    Or avoiding copious quantities of beer, like you don’t SDFC.

  84. stackja

    The Government and the People, 1942–1945 – Paul Hasluck Chapter 4

    The coupon system imposed a cut of about 40 per cent on normal clothing purchases for men, about 33 per cent for women and 20 per cent for boys and girls in the 5-15 years age group. Tea was brought under the coupon system on 6th July 1942, and the individual ration for most of the currency of rationing was two ounces a week. Sugar was rationed at the rate of one pound a head a week on 31st August 1942 . Butter was not rationed until 7th June 1943 and the amount was half a pound a week. Tobacco had been rationed by limiting the output of manufacturers, and the Tobacco Manufacturers Advisory Committee was given legal status in February 1942. Besides rationing, some goods disappeared altogether from the shops.

  85. sdfc

    I lost over 10kg in about a month JC and maintained my beer consumption. It’s a miracle.

  86. brc

    @kae – Jacques and candy made my points better.

    Obesity is a choice people are making, except in the rarest of rare cases. For every person with a real medical condition, there a probably 10,000 lazy people who are crap at willpower and ace at excuses.

    I don’t make a distinction betwen overeating and eating the wrong thing. If you find your pants getting tighter, start eating less stuff and getting more exercise until they don’t. This is my method, been the same weight for 15 years. This is the essence of Jacques post. People choose to be overweight by ignoring the obvious and rationalising endlessly.

  87. Gab

    It’s interesting how fit Abbott is and how unfit the Labor nannies. I think it would be a courageous step for Plebeserk to follow through on CRAP Health’s recommendations. Especially in an election year.

  88. brc

    >I lost over 10kg in about a month JC and maintained my beer consumption. It’s a miracle.

    I’ve never found beer to be a problem in itself. It’s beer + overeating + no sleep+no exercise that is a problem. A person in control of themself is also in control of their alcohol consumption, and will make the right choices with that, in the same way they make the right choices with cheeseburger consumption. I’ve seen dieticians espousing a ‘no beer or wine, ever’ diet. And I can tell you that most people will fail at that, which makes it a pointless diet.

  89. DaveF

    erm DaveF, Pinot Grigio is a white wine grape

    Yeah I know. I polished off about 2 bottles of it lol

    The old blokes were on the red and it all went downhill from there.

  90. JC

    BRC

    I was reading that the desire to eat in fat people is as strong as the desire like if a person hasn’t eaten for 2 days.

    That’s why it would be next to impossible for a fat person like, oh Monster, to rid himself of the excess lard.

  91. sdfc

    I’m not a big drinker brc so beer consumption has never been a problem in terms of weight. My point was that limiting carbs for a while a very efficient means of losing weight.

    I was skeptical before I did it to support my wife when she thought she needed to lose a few pounds ahead of a family wedding.

  92. .

    Now is not the time of year for penance.

    Sin, sin, sin.

    JC sfdc is correct.

    Claoric restriction and carb restriction are linked.

    Most people can’t each much more after a 1/4 chicken.

    You can eat buckets of rice or confecionery, etc.

    Think of the sugar content of krispy kremes.

  93. mct

    Anyway donesn’t matter – they’ll probably make it illegal to name the grape variety. It will just be an olive green bottle with the words ‘red wine’ or ‘white wine’ on it, unless you can get your hands on an exported one.

    That is the way things actually are (well, were, I am talking 20 years ago… but it would appear there’s been little change) in Norway. All grog is sold only by government stores (“Vinmonopolet”), is super-expensive and selling hours are heavily restricted.

    Wine comes basically in two types – “White Wine” and “Red Wine”. The government buyers buy whole vineyards at a time, so sometimes your bottle of “Red Wine” can be outstahnding, other times not so much.

    The nett result of all this nanny-ing? One of the worst rates of alchoholism in Europe. Oh, and huge queues at the duty free shop before any flight to Norway.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    From the website ……..
    DISCLOSURE STATEMENT:
    Rachel Davey does not work for, consult to, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has no relevant affiliations.

    Soooo ….. If Rachel gets a nice fat Gubbiment Grant to further her work in hectoring her fellow citizens she will be bound to knock it back.
    Although, I think this statement can be paraphrased as “I don’t flip burgers ….. they kept missing the grill and hitting the floor so I got fired”

  95. papachango

    papachango, my point was that it’s a fallacious argument to equate the two.

    Of course it is, but it doesn’t stop these fuckers doing it. next I want to see them equate it to, say, BASE jumping, rock climbing or SCUBA diving, because statistically that’s bad for your health too.

    Not wanting to defend these health fascists, but Will’s argument is untrue:

    there is very little evidence to support the suggestion that obesity result in lower life expectancy, in fact it has no impact at all.

    As to the idea that obesity causes other diseases like diabetes, heart disease and/or cancer I am agnostic. I have not seen any evidence one way or the other.

    I think there’s a fairly clear link between obesity and these things – definitly diabetes and heart disease, and lower life expectancy – home many obese 90 years olds have you ever seen? But people should be able to make their own choices, including whether to get fat or not. Who knows maybe they’ll even want to trade off dying a few years earlier and not being a miserable git.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    Yes Gab ….. What does Tanya Flabersek have to say on the matter?

  97. DaveF

    I worked with a girl who was heavy set and was dieting like mad for her wedding.

    I know for certain what she had for breakfast because she ate it at her desk.

    Snacks ditto.

    I know for certain what she had for lunch because we usually had lunch together.

    I don’t know about dinner but I chatted with her fiance enough – he worked nearby and we’d often go the pub together – and he was always mentioning what they had for dinner and it sounded dietish to me.

    She lost possibly a kilo over several months. I couldn’t believe she lost so little.

  98. Jim Rose

    Dad’s Army buffs will remember its obsession with rationing and blackmarkets

    Rationing was severe in the UK from early 1940, got worse in 1944 and 1945, and did not end until the early 1950s!

    • Clothes were de-rationed in March 1949;
    • bread in July 1948 (this was only rationed on the 21 July 1946);
    • potato rationing began in 1947
    • jam in December 1948;
    • petrol in May 1950; tea in October 1952!
    • sweets in February 1953; eggs in March 1953;
    • cream in April 1953;
    • sugar in September 1953;
    • butter, cheese, margarine and cooking fats in May 1954; and
    • meat in June 1954

    Restrictions affected almost every consumer product.

    Many products ceased to be available at all as the war went on.

    Vegetables were not rationed although popular types were sometimes hard to find, especially onions. Fruit was in very short supply, but was not rationed. Was that why captain mannering’s nemesis was a green-grocer?

    At the 1950 General Election, the Conservative Party campaigned on a manifesto of ending rationing as quickly as possible

    Rationing was less severe in the USA (1942 to 1946) and in Australia, commencing in June 1942 – the last item to be rationed was meat on January 17th, 1944!

  99. nic

    “Yep, we’ve won the right to put cocks in our mouths, but not deep fried chicken.”

    Should be a bumper sticker for RWDBs

  100. DaveF

    Walid Ali on Radio National has a gun hater on. 5 minutes in and he’s mentioned tobacco.

    Pathological.

  101. papachango

    The nett result of all this nanny-ing? One of the worst rates of alchoholism in Europe. Oh, and huge queues at the duty free shop before any flight to Norway.

    Apparently the ferry trip from Sweden to Finland/Estonia is very popular, as all the grog on board is duty free. Many Swedes & Norwegians just get completely rat-arsed, and don’t bother to disembark, effectively treating it as a 2-day booze cruise.

  102. DaveF

    I think the alcoholism is baked in the cake. The Scandi’s nudge the turps big time. Like the Russians.

  103. John Mc

    The nett result of all this nanny-ing? One of the worst rates of alchoholism in Europe. Oh, and huge queues at the duty free shop before any flight to Norway.

    Also, they’re pretty hand will the stills, those Norwegians. I do believe that’s legal, which considering the pragmatic versatility of those Nørsks* would seem like quite a loophole!

    —————————
    * I know this term is wrong, I just like those o’s with a line through them.

  104. John Mc

    Also, I’ve heard it said that the celebrated French approach to sophisticated alcohol consumption has led them to one of the highest rates of liver disease in Europe.

  105. sdfc

    Actually Dot, plenty of meat was the way to go.

    Who’d have thought bacon and eggs is a weight loss food.

  106. candy

    If you eat 5000 cals of bacon and eggs per day you’ll end up fat as,

    if you eat 1000 cals of bacon and egg per day – and nothing else – you’ll be thin.

    It’s not the bacon and eggs, it’s the cals involved.

  107. DaveF

    I’ve noticed over the last few years my tastes have changed towards fresher and simpler foods.

    I never made an active decision about it, it just happened.

  108. .

    I also eat butter.

    Margarine, in actual fact, is filth.

  109. JC

    sdfc

    If you lost 10 kilos in a month how freaking fat were you to begin with?

    If most of us normal people lost that kinda of weight we’d be losing a big chunk of our bodies.

    Dude!

    No wonder you always sound protective towards Fat Boy.

    You identify with the rotund leftwing idiot.

  110. JC

    Margarine is disgusting, dot. That stuff is a killer.

  111. sdfc

    I was around 102kg. But before you get excited I’m
    6 2.

    Candy

    I misread your comment. It’s the carbs not the calories.

  112. JC

    So what SDFC.

    I’m around just under 6 feet and weigh around 80, which is even too high on BMI.

  113. .

    Let’s say sfdc was 87 kg.

    He’d still be “overweight” according to the BMI.

    This is why I find all of this research for public taxation bogus.

    The US Government changed BMI in the mid 1990s. It was flawed but sensible until then, but now it is a joke for any taller or well built man.

    Look at MMA fighter Mirko Cro Cop. He’s over 100 kg and is fairly lean for a big guy (over 6 foot). Overweight! Jack up taxes! Start rationing food!

  114. sdfc

    You must be a skinny bastard then JC, because I’m 88 now and certainly don’t want to lose much if any more weight.

  115. .

    It’s the cigs.

    JC has traded colon cancer for lung cancer.

  116. JC

    Jack up taxes! Start rationing food!

    This scum shouldn’t be ignored. They went after da carbon, cigs and all other sorts of shit.

    The Libs need to cull academia in the worst possible way. Whoever wrote that needs to be fired and the publication no longer funded publicly.

    Just go after them and don’t stop.

  117. Chris M

    Who’d have thought bacon and eggs is a weight loss food.

    Very true!

    And recent medical research has found artery unclogging elements in….. yes, saturated fat. I wish they would ban this canola oil cooked food, can’t stand it.

  118. sdfc

    I just tried the this BMI calculator and came in at the upper end of the healthy weight range. I agree the measure is largley one size fits all bullshit.

    http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcsite.nsf/pages/bmi

  119. DaveF

    If I was receiving the big bucks from the Big Food cartel I’d simply roll out ads with cricketers, AFL footballers, tennis players etc with the tag line:

    Do not be like these people. Their BMI shows them to be OVERWEIGHT.

    And roll on the floor laughing at the squeals of outrage.

    Every boy has a dream….

    btw I struggle to even achieve the normal band. I think it’s too much fruit and veges – they’re all water.

  120. tbh

    Dot, the BMI is indeed a joke. I’m 194cm and 100kgs and at a recent visit to the doctor for a check-up, she said I was absolutely fine weight and shape-wise. A mate of mine is the same height and about 110kgs of pure muscle. He lifts weights and has a fantastic physique. The BMI says he’s obese.

  121. .

    Hmm, controversial and relevant.

    Jacques may have an issue with this.

    I have a mate by swears by it and another who reckons Peksin doesn’t understand cell gradients.

    http://www.brianpeskin.com/

  122. DaveF

    Yes, I should have made that clear in the above. Muscle is heavier than fat so even Glen McGrath (nick name ‘Pidgeon’ for his physique) would likely be overweight.

    Its a terrible measure. But that’s Public Health science for you.

  123. Le Chiffre

    The lefty nanny state tax looters need to be reminded that we already have a fat tax.
    It is called the GST. They may have heard of it.

    Processed food is taxed at 10%. Such as fatty takeaway food.
    Raw foods are exempt. Such as healthy fruit and veg.

    So tell them to bugger off.

  124. Dangph

    Interesting that the country which has the most obesity – Australia – is also the one which has the strictest regulations on smoking and drinking.

    It’s not true that we are the fattest. The “fact” that we are the fattest was made up out of whole cloth by some dodgy journalist, and it has been repeated by dodgy journalists ever since. I investigated this once. The journalist was talking about some report (sorry, I didn’t keep notes on this), but the report simply didn’t say we were the fattest.

    There are plenty of countries that are fatter than us. Check out the statistics from the WHO here: https://apps.who.int/infobase/?id=1

  125. sdfc

    Shit tbh you are a big bastard.

  126. jupes

    Am looking forward to duckbum’s obesity speech.

    Love your work Rousie

  127. tbh

    Shit tbh you are a big bastard.

    Ex-back row forward mate :-) Playing rugby union tends to force you into getting a bit bigger. I’ve trimmed down from about 111kgs though by getting my lazy arse onto a bike and cycling 150km’s per week.

  128. Tel

    Humans who eat less food also breathe out less Carbon Dioxide. After all: Carbon in, Carbon out.

  129. Harold

    Hey this BMI crap doesn’t even ask for your gender!

    http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcsite.nsf/pages/bmi

    Brendan Fevola and a cat walk model his height are expected to weigh the same.

  130. Gab

    There has been a proposal from David Penington that children’s weight should be recorded and then feature on school report cards. Perhaps nanny Pleberserk will extend this to include weight of public servants to be recorded on their quarterly performance reviews.

  131. sdfc

    I don’t understand how people with overweight kids continue to feed them shit. I was standing in line behind a father and his overweight daughter at a kiosk at the netball one morning this year and he was buying her a bag of chips, some coke and a bag of lollies at around 9:00 in the morning. Bizarre.

  132. Dangph

    And recent medical research has found artery unclogging elements in….. yes, saturated fat. I wish they would ban this canola oil cooked food, can’t stand it

    I’ve been cooking exclusively with organic grass-fed beef tallow for about five months now, which I rendered myself, and using quality Australian olive oil as a dressing. I just had a blood test and everything is good. Cholesterol is good. Triglycerides are good. I’m in perfect health, and I’m about 13% body fat and have a decent amount of muscle, which is pretty good for a 41 year old who was getting pretty chubby a few years ago.

    Saturated fat is good for you. Industrial polyunsaturated seed oils are what will kill you. They are evolutionarily novel to us.

  133. Infidel Tiger

    Why the fuck would anyone want to live longer with leftist filth ruining all the fun in life and running the medical system that will be looking after you in your final days.

    These people could suck the joy out of a kindergarten full of puppies.

  134. Pickles

    It’s been all downhill since they banned taking own piss onto The Hill at the SCG.

  135. DaveF

    Hey this BMI crap doesn’t even ask for your gender!

    Mate they stripped gender out of healthy drinking levels. Same for both since this year.

    Pathological.

    kiosk at the netball one morning this year and he was buying her a bag of chips, some coke and a bag of lollies at around 9:00 in the morning. Bizarre.

    You are kidding me. Did he have Winnie Blues in his front pocket?

    Does your daughter play in the Collingwood Netball League?

  136. DaveF

    I’ve been cooking exclusively with organic grass-fed beef tallow for about five months now, which I rendered myself,

    At first I thought this was a piss take.

    On second reading now I’m slowly stepping away…

  137. Infidel Tiger

    At first I thought this was a piss take.

    On second reading now I’m slowly stepping away…

    What do you find funny about this? This is without doubt the most healthy fat he could be eating.

    Grass fed beef has enough testosterone kick to give a 3 week dead elephant a mongrel too.

  138. Pickles

    Frying home killed fat barren heifer with an inch of fat on it, then cooking the eggs in the dripping? Nothing to fear there.

  139. Tom

    These people could suck the joy out of a kindergarten full of puppies.

    Are you available for a ministry in the Abbott government, IT? It would be a novelty to have someone who understands the real world. Abbott’s crowd looks oxygen-deprived and only marginally less loathsome than the filth current ranksacking the national treasury.

  140. C.L.

    There has been a proposal from David Penington that children’s weight should be recorded and then feature on school report cards.

    LOL. Brings a whole new meaning to the dreaded ‘F.’

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Frying home killed fat barren heifer with an inch of fat on it

    That’s no way to talk about our Prime Minister!

  142. Infidel Tiger

    Are you available for a ministry in the Abbott government, IT?

    Cultural attaché to the Australian Cheeseboard.

  143. nilk

    Do not touch my white wine. Today I received a bottle for christmas, and my only concern is do I share or drink it alone?

    The food fascists can fark off.

    I had a conversation with a teacher this evening and we both agreed that too many kids didn’t have any boundaries, and we hate speed bumps in suburban streets. Then we got onto alcohol, and she suggested just making the BAC 0% across the board.

    I pointed out that she would then be punishing me because I like a glass of wine occasionally. It’s been years since I drank to excess, and why should I be treated like some alcoholic or some kid who can’t handle their grog?

    She hadn’t thought of it that way, needless to say. Funny how most people don’t.

  144. Entropy

    None of you lot have twigged to the tax revenue opportunities of an extra tax on bacon, KFC and donuts. Mmmm. Donuts.

    No agenda at all. None.

  145. Entropy

    The extra revenue could be used to fund a tofu subsidy. Or go into a slush fund for lesbian bloggers. Whatever it could be used for, it will be something relevant to the re-election of our glorious Toulouse Goose, which would be ironic.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    No agenda at all. None.

    Ahh … There is no problem so great that a tax won’t fix it.
    And who is the target?
    I heard one of these nanny-state dickheads being interviewed a while ago on this subject.
    The rant was about massive labelling requirements and huge taxes based on fat, sugar and salt content.
    It was put to said dickhead that this impost would destroy small takeaway businesses.
    Long pause, followed by some mumbling about concessions for small business.
    Then the dickhead was asked “if fat, salt and sugar are bad for our kids, why should one source be exempted and another attacked”
    No answer.

    The real agenda is ….. outlaw Maccas.

  147. Dangph

    Mitchell Grass Meats
    That’s where I get my meat from. I recommend them if you live in SE Qld and want healthy and humanely-raised beef and lamb. (I don’t have any connection with them apart from being a happy customer.)

  148. Leigh Lowe

    The extra revenue could be used to fund a tofu subsidy. Or go into a slush fund for lesbian bloggers.

    …… or, I don’t know, maybe tax me for eating a (legal) hamburger and out the money towards an injecting room so indolent junkies can convert i-pads into illegal substances and firing them into their veins.

  149. Alfonso

    I see it now.
    The turbo diesel 1000hp cigarette boats…..running the govt Fat Blockade into Cape York.
    Blocks of pure rendered pig fat from PNG, worth more than cocaine, the staggering amounts of money involved will corrupt politics while it’s clogging arteries.
    Best to legalise it, treat it as as addiction ….. legal hamburger ingesting rooms is an idea whose time will come.

  150. kae

    brc
    yes, lack of will power (or won’t power)

    However, I need to qualify that. There are some people who don’t know what to eat to be healthy, an I’d imagine that a lot of them would be in a lower socio-economic group.

    I knew a family who had a treat every Friday night of X dollars worth of chips with extra salt. They fed this to themselves and their two children (5yo and 9yo, both had asperger/autism spectrum disorders, the elder was quite scary as he professed a desire to kill someone to see what happened and see what it felt like). But I suppose in this welfare gobbling family which made much of the children’s asthma and other conditions, with no mention of the autism spectrum disorders and learning and socialisation problems, what food was eaten was the least of the concerns.

  151. brc

    Apparently the ferry trip from Sweden to Finland/Estonia is very popular, as all the grog on board is duty free.

    The road on the way down to the ferry in Tallin (Estonia) is just one big long duty-free grog and tobacco market. You have to see it to believe it. And it’s full of smashed Finns loading up their bags with huge cartons of cigs and bottles of grog.

    The Estonians appear not to like it very much but are happy to take their money.

    I’ve seen Swedish grog shops – they are run by the government and look like a cross between a pharmacy (minus the advertising) and those customs benches at the airport. They’re a grim looking joint. No doubt every purchase is logged against your ID or something.

    I don’t understand how people with overweight kids continue to feed them shit.

    I don’t either. And I have to see it happen first hand, and it depresses me to see it happening. 3 hot dogs for lunch honey? Why not – you can leave the chocolate bar until afternoon tea. Giving your kid bad dieting habits is a shocking failure of parenting.

  152. .

    I knew a family who had a treat every Friday night of X dollars worth of chips with extra salt. They fed this to themselves and their two children (5yo and 9yo, both had asperger/autism spectrum disorders, the elder was quite scary as he professed a desire to kill someone to see what happened and see what it felt like). But I suppose in this welfare gobbling family which made much of the children’s asthma and other conditions, with no mention of the autism spectrum disorders and learning and socialisation problems, what food was eaten was the least of the concerns.

    FFS. Once a week. Give em a break. They’ve certainly got bigger fish to fry…

  153. brc

    @kae you’re probably right, which is why I mentioned earlier that having the information available is key.

    I’ve read some interesting stuff on willpower. Some think it’s like a muscle – and you’ve got to exercise it to keep it strong. But, like a muscle, there’s only so much you can do before it starts to get tired.

    Some people think that the optimum time to go for an important decision is mid-afternoon, because the person making the decision will have been using their will power all morning and they will be decision fatigued by the afternoon, and more likely to agree.

    The takeaway is to use your willpower on several important points but don’t wear it out. By thisI mean don’t keep a big bottle of chocolate milk in the fridge, and an open packet of chips in the pantry. Don’t bring the crap into the house, and it won’t get eaten. Saves having to use your willpower on the small decisions.

  154. Helen Armstrong

    Ever heard of Gary Taubes? ‘Good Calories, Bad Calories‘ – (very long squillions of references and) ‘What makes us fat?“? (Shorter and less references)

    Well he did a 10 year study (he is a science journalist) (no preconceptions, just wanted to see where it led) on all the research that has ever been done and he found that carbs make us insulin dependent and insulin dependent people hoard fat.

    Their insulin dependency literally starves them as they consume more carbs they are carted straight off to the fat cells rather than maintenance and repair.

    sadly for many people it is beyond the point of return so the Government’s rationing proposal will do nothing in fact, may even make it worse, as people systems will starve themselves to hoard fat.

    The low fat/ low calories, /calories in calories out theories are all discredited, but the world goes on believing them, terribly like Catastrophic Global Warmening.

    And then I hear at my daughters place the other day that the Mothercare nurse recommended placing on a diet an entirely breast fed 12 month old baby. Crazy irresponsible Madness setting these kids up for dietary failure throughout their lives.

    Now I’m going to roast some pumpkin to go with the leg of lamb.

  155. cohenite

    Muscle is heavier than fat

    More useful too, apart from 1 or 2 exceptions, but even then there’s a fine line between fat and lard; the real killer is fat between the ears and this government, academia, especially the climate ‘sciences’ and the bureacracy are rippling in that sort of fat.

  156. Rococo Liberal

    It’s all macro disease! Let these sillly lefties care aboout something and it has to be across the whole of society. Maybe they should help those around them ans stop being Mrs Jellybys. The more they interfere the worse the ‘problem’ becomes.

    WHo gives a rats if everyone is fat?

    The fact is that we are all fatter and healthier than humans have ever been. That’s why our life expectancy has increased so much. Can’t these lefty scum be happy with that?

  157. blind freddy

    Sdog
    “Wiring the jaws”-in obese subjects
    Tried in the 70,s=== failed
    Why you ask
    1 required medical supervision–hospitalization
    2 you would be surprised what food can be pushed through the wires
    3 a pair of plies placed by the bedside , in case of vomiting
    My unit then progressed to gastric bypass — but that is another story

  158. Splatacrobat

    Sugar intake is a bigger problem than fat.

  159. tbh

    RL, that’s because some people just aren’t happy unless their are either projecting their neuroses on the rest of us or plain ordering other people about. I prefer to treat people like adults and trust that they alone know how best to look after themselves (with obvious exceptions with the clearly mentally infirm).

  160. James Bauer

    These so-called ‘public health advocates’ need to be completely defunded and possibly banned.

  161. candy

    ” I prefer to treat people like adults and trust that they alone know how best to look after themselves”

    I go along with that. If a person wants to lose the weight it’s a decision they come to, like a “sea change”, but no amount of taxing the food or other things can make that happen, it comes from the individual who desires change.

  162. tbh

    Yep, it’s a lifestyle choice. It’s pretty rare, I would imagine, that someone is fat because of some hormonal or physiological disorder. Poor diet and lack of exercise would sum it up for most people. Just like taxing booze and gambling doesn’t stop people getting drunk or having a punt, taxing the “wrong” sorts of food won’t stop people from eating it.

    I think it’s time that the average punter out there told our self-appointed social “betters” where to shove it. I’m absolutely sick of being lectured by these turkeys.

  163. nic

    My posts arent showing for some reason.

    Just one question. What if obesity was a disease or condition affecting not ugly bogans, but inner city types? Ill bet there would be Government education programmes and anyone shunning the obese would be in trouble for ‘hate crimes’.

    Dont believe me? Ask yourself this question, what if HIV was predominantly a bogan disease. Do you think the same level of fund raising or awareness as exists now would be going on? I bet not

  164. Dangph

    Ever heard of Gary Taubes? ‘Good Calories, Bad Calories‘ – (very long squillions of references and) ‘What makes us fat?“? (Shorter and less references)

    I wouldn’t take Taubes too seriously. Low carb is good, but very low carb and ketogenic diets are a fad. They try to reduce everything to a simple “carbs are bad” mantra, but that’s way too simple minded. It’s just as bad as the “fats are bad” mantra.

    We evolved to eat carbs in the form of tubers (and fruit to some extent). Very low carb can be damaging, especially for women, who are hormonally more complex than men.

    If you want to lose weight, then eat a nutrient dense diet. Your body will crave less food, and you will lose weight. Basically just eat food from the outside part of the supermarket. Avoid the shelves in the middle.

    I like this guy’s thinking: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

  165. Dangph

    I prefer to treat people like adults and trust that they alone know how best to look after themselves (with obvious exceptions with the clearly mentally infirm).

    Yes. There is no reason to believe that a bunch of dimwit government officials know what is best for us.

  166. kae

    But dot, you don’t know what crap they fed them during the week.

    And they weren’t doing anything about the illnesses of the kids they claimed extra dollars from the government for… and did nothing about the other problems the kids had.

    Those kids are adult and near-adult now.

  167. Paul

    “Yep, we’ve won the right to put cocks in our mouths, but not deep fried chicken.”

    Comment of the year. Even manged to fit two cocks into it.

  168. kae

    Now I’m going to roast some pumpkin to go with the leg of lamb

    I’ll be right there.

    Oh, wait. That was hours ago. *sigh*

  169. face ache

    Eat a lot of food and a lot of shit happens.

  170. Jeremiah

    Just one question. What if obesity was a disease or condition affecting not ugly bogans, but inner city types? Ill bet there would be Government education programmes and anyone shunning the obese would be in trouble for ‘hate crimes’.

    Often wondered about that myself Nic, I’d say you’re on the money. Can’t even remember the last time anyone made a big deal about mocking fat people. Definitely a double standard there!

    I reckon just let people do what they want, and let the public judge them according to social norms. If you’re fat you’ll be destined to shag ugly people for eternity (if you’re lucky enough to shag anything at all). That alone should be punishment enough.

    Seems ridiculous that people are so willing to spend enormous amounts of money on clothes and plastic surgery to look good and yet the easiest way to look good just involves eating modestly and exercising regularly.

  171. papachango

    But dot, you don’t know what crap they fed them during the week.

    And they weren’t doing anything about the illnesses of the kids they claimed extra dollars from the government for… and did nothing about the other problems the kids had.

    You just try getting ASD kids to eat normal foods, then report back, kae. On this one I’m with Dot – their diet is the least of the parents’ worry.

  172. kae

    Papachango

    They did nothing about their children’s ASD.

    Nothing.

    No doctors, no nothing, but claimed money for other things which swelled their coffers. They didn’t do anything about the kids’ asthma or anything, either, but they got that extra money.

    ANd I said that the food was the least of their worries. Well, the parents didn’t seem to be too worried about anything to do with the kids. The father was a drug-fucked pot head and the mother wasn’t much better living with another pot head.

  173. papachango

    kae – when did they get the diagnosis?

    If it was before they turned five and still they did nothing that’s fuckin’ criminal. Even after, I agree it’s bad parenting.

    ASD kids with loser parents don’t have a hope – it’s tragic. But that’s a separate issue from them only eating a ridiculously narrow range of foods…

  174. kae

    papa
    I don’t know, was friend’s b/f ex and his kids.
    He displayed many signs of high functioning autism, his younger son was like him. The elder son had a fixation with killing people.
    I reckon my friend was lucky to get out of that relationship and that’s one of the reasons.
    The friend with the stepgrandaughter who we think had issues with some disability now no longer has the child as a stepchild. Her 2 year old grandson is developing in leaps and bounds without the influence of the child with the disability, which has never been diagnosed and probably never will be. Long story there. Her Aunt is about six months older than her and has downs and the grandmother says “Oh, nothing wrong with that granddaughter!”, but she’s comparing the downs child with the other one.
    The child with the disability will have developmental problems and when she goes to school next year she will probably be diagnosed and it will be too late for her to get the best treatment.

  175. Helen Armstrong

    wouldn’t take Taubes too seriously.

    I don’t. And he doesn’t. All he does is present the research. Research is facts, observed and measured, with the ability to be replicated.

    I don’t know how much more evidence you need? Or why you would choose to disregard it as fad!

  176. Helen Armstrong

    kae, you are welcome for dinner anytime!

    Have you read Natasha Campbell McBride, Doctor in UK re Autism and associated conditions in children?

    Gut and Psychology

  177. Jim Rose

    I blame it al on the free market providing too much cheap food.

  178. Jo-Ann Markowski

    If they want the population to be healthy and not fat why aren’t they targeting the food manufacturers. There is sugar and unhealthy soy put into nearly every processed food etc that you buy whether you want it or not. Now instead of sugar they are using grain sugars that are metabolised by the liver and your body can’t deal with them & they are making people insulin resistant & more fat. Artificial sweeteners on the market today have been proven to increase appetite and make people fatter, not to mention they have been proven to cause brain damage. The reason they don’t want to take this approach is because they don’t want to upset their mates at Coca Cola, Nestle etc – the multinationals. We should all take a stance and make these companies go broke by not buying their products. Just buy natural ingredients and go back to simple food and making your own stuff. That way we would all be healthy & we would put these a…holes that are poisoning us out of business! Remember what these fabians like to say “create a problem” then provide a solution. They are creating the problems with the food that’s on the market today and then using the result as a reason to take our freedoms away & tell us what to do!

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