Open Forum: December 22, 2012

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  1. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Last I remembered, napalm was delivered by means of an air strike.
    I fail to see how the fuck up of a single pilot goes in any way to their gun culture or to the argument for disarming the populace.
    Fuck off, you are both a bore and a boor.

  2. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Actually, I can see where the fuck up may have happened.
    When the Aussie called in the co-ordinates for the strike, he was probably a soldier who had been educated by fuckwits just like you.
    That being the case, the poor guy probably couldn’t read, write or count very well and he fucked up the directions.

  3. m0nty

    It’s the duty of every citizen to be armed so they can protect the most vulnerable in our society.

    Vigilantism, great. That’s all we need, everyone thinking they’re a cop.

    If both are armed, the field is level.

    Rubbish. It just means that the field is more deadly. More experienced shooters still have way more of an advantage in a gun fight. As do those with better weapons.

  4. JC

    It’s the time of year when I always bring up that great health care system leftwingers often raise to support public health. Yep it’s the Cuban healthcare system.

    I love it.

    Here’s the x-ray room

    Here’s the door to the operating theatre

    Typical hallway you’d see at Cabrini in Melbourne.

    Here’s the cutting edge technology they use as ambulance transportation.

    It’s not too far from what I believe Kenyan Care will end up looking like. Not quite, but not too far away either.

  5. who had been educated by fuckwits just like you.

    You have obviously discovered the secret of time travel. In 1970 I was 23. Any kids I taught would have been ten years old. Even in 1970, ten year olds weren’t being called up.

  6. Eddystone

    That’s all we need, everyone thinking they’re a cop.

    We are all responsible for upholding the law.

    If both are armed, the field is level.

    Rubbish. It just means that the field is more deadly.

    Seriously, dude. Get a grip.

  7. JC

    You have obviously discovered the secret of time travel. In 1970 I was 23. Any kids I taught would have been ten years old. Even in 1970, ten year olds weren’t being called up.

    Vietnam again. Fuck!

  8. Tom

    My theory is that Monty doesn’t know anyone who could be trusted with owning a gun and he certainly wouldn’t allow a weapon to fall into the hands of someone as mentally unstable as him. He’d rather Big Government (with the right in Australia to remove personal freedoms on a legislative whim) had the monopoly.

  9. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    numbers, I didn’t say educated by you, I said educated by fuckwits LIKE you ie: far left idealogues more interested in pushing a political viewpoint than your proper job of educating the poor saps.
    You really aren’t that bright are you?

  10. Seriously, dude. Get a grip.

    You’re the one who needs to get a grip. A fully armed populace is a recipe for hell. It’s the well-known Somalian model. In any case, if you and your ilk are so terrified to be living in this country which has firearm laws on the sane side of rational, you could always emigrate stateside where it’s obviously so much safer.

  11. You really aren’t that bright are you?

    And you’re seriously blaming the education system in Australia for the abysmal performance of the American military in Vietnam?
    You’re about as thick as two short planks….

  12. DaveF

    Japan is a very gun shy country, so much so that when gangsters quit the industry they put their gun in a station locker and let the Police know where to pick it up. I know it sounds odd but they really do that.

    Anyhow in Nara (kinda like Kyoto it’s an old capital city) there is a huge park right next to the CBD. Most of the historical stuff is there amongst the trees.

    What’s jarring is the caretakers on motorbikes with rifles to shoot any of the abundant deer that act up or enter the city – traffic hazard I’d guess.

    Never heard of one of those guys going on a rampage.

  13. JC

    You’re the one who needs to get a grip. A fully armed populace is a recipe for hell. It’s the well-known Somalian model. In any case, if you and your ilk are so terrified to be living in this country which has firearm laws on the sane side of rational, you could always emigrate stateside

    Don’t tempt us spuds. There’s a half serious discussion going on in my household right now about that.

    And you know what, Mr Good Morning Vietnam, i wouldn’t buy a gun as I wouldn’t feel the need to. However I would have a choice unlike here, you repressive fuckwit.

  14. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Fuck me.
    numbers, Somalia and guns- the Holy Trinity of stupidity.
    It had to happen eventually didn’t it?

  15. JC

    And you’re seriously blaming the education system in Australia for the abysmal performance of the American military in Vietnam?
    You’re about as thick as two short planks…

    Vietnam again.

  16. Don’t tempt us spuds.

    I’ll send you the one-way fare….

  17. DaveF

    I wonder if segregation would have lasted so long if black people could buy guns in the 50s and 60s?

    “No I shall not give up my seat! This gun allows me to sit where I like.”

  18. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    And you’re seriously blaming the education system in Australia for the abysmal performance of the American military in Vietnam?
    You’re about as thick as two short planks….

    No imbecile, I was mocking you and your ideology.
    I need to spell everything out for you don’t I?

  19. the Holy Trinity of stupidity.

    The NRA, the expiration of the ban on semi-autos, and the 2nd amendment….

  20. No imbecile, I was mocking you and your ideology.

    You tried, failed, and made a complete ass of yourself in the process.
    :-)

  21. John Mc

    I’ll send you the one-way fare….

    Put it this way, spuds. Fortunately your Whitlam era culture is dying a slow death in this country, which is a good thing. But let’s say people like you did manage to shape some of the future for Australia; there’s two things we could conclude:

    1. Australia is fucked as we go into the asian century.

    2. The culture would be so ugly who would want to be here anyway. We should sell it to China while it’s still worth something.

    Fortunately, the ‘contribution’ of your generation is largely being relegated to its rightful place in an annex to an unproductive chapter of Australian history.

  22. Don’t be too hard on number fellers. He has some valid points.
    He is right about the lack of professionalism of some US forces in Vietnam.

    In a way he’s making your case. It is not gun availability that causes the rot in the USA, it is cultural. Canada is armed to the teeth, but doesn’t have, and never has had, the shootups that happen south of the border (even in the days of the wild west most of the rot happened south of the border. Why?)

  23. Abu Chowdah

    Civilised countries defend themselves against the evils of the world without themselves becoming debased.

    Liberty quote.

    For me, the response of the left is tiresome on the gun issue, but entirely predictable. But the stupidity of the left has been matched by the stupidity of the NRA in blaming video games. What a surprise.

    Mk50: Materiel?

  24. Cold-Hands

    Amanda Vanstone gives Miss O’Gyny both barrels:

    LAST week our national leader decided to sum up the year by announcing that, due to Tony Abbott’s efforts, we were blessed with a parliament of filth. Julia Gillard decided, it seems, that to use her position to make some positive and uplifting remarks was a little too passe.

    Daily the opposition must count its lucky stars for having a PM who steadfastly refuses to step into the shoes of gravitas that her office allows. The rest of us, I suggest, are bemused.

    After all, it was Gillard who helped set up a union slush fund without the knowledge of her legal firm partners. It was Gillard who was unable to categorically say whether all the work done on her house had been properly paid for and it was Gillard who had a relationship with one of the key players in the sorry saga.

    Oh, and it was Gillard who, in effect, confirmed there was a whole lot of sleaze going on when she told us that as soon as she became aware she had been deceived, she broke off the relationship. In other words, what she allegedly discovered was ugly enough for her to end a relationship.

    Accordingly, this file was not run of the mill, it was unusual.

    Anyway, she was the one in the relationship doing work on a fund about which the union movement was concerned – but apparently it is all Abbott’s fault everyone is talking about it. Apparently, he is the sleaze.

    h/t Michael Smith News

  25. Eddystone

    You’re the one who needs to get a grip. A fully armed populace is a recipe for hell. It’s the well-known Somalian model. In any case, if you and your ilk are so terrified to be living in this country which has firearm laws on the sane side of rational, you could always emigrate stateside where it’s obviously so much safer.

    Seriously? You don’t think a gun levels the odds between an 85 year old and say a deranged Vietnam veteran?

  26. John Mc

    He is right about the lack of professionalism of some US forces in Vietnam.

    It’s bullshit as well. We send a tiny well-prepared contingent and the yanks wear the brunt of the effort. It was the same in Vietnam as it is today.

    How many unauthorised discharges i.e. where your rifle is accidentally fired through carelessness do Australians have on operations? Let me tell you it’s fucking heaps.

  27. Gab

    Vietnam? Let me guess without scrolling up – numbers is back. Boring.

  28. Cold-Hands

    A speedy convalescence Fleeced, and a Happy and Holy Christmastide to all who read and post at the Cat.

  29. juanluissegundo

    The other relevant issue in relation to the Americans is their incapacity to see the world through any eyes except their often ignorant own.
    They don’t get South America and it doesn’t look like they ever will.
    Part of the problem in Vietnam was their incapacity to listen to anyone else (the Australians for example) who had a better understanding of counter insurgency warfare. They almost made the same mistake in Iraq.
    There is something about the American mindset that makes it very difficult to see the world from more than one isolationist and rigid standpoint.
    It’s very dangerous.

  30. Tom

    Don’t be too hard on number fellers. He has some valid points.
    He is right about the lack of professionalism of some US forces in Vietnam.

    Prejudice against the US military has existed like a dirty snicker in the Australian armed forces since World War II. Most of it comes from resentment about the Americans’ superior budget and firepower. Of course an old commo traitor like Numbers is going to fold that into his hatred of America.

    Don’t suppose we could interest you in a self-immolation with Kero Boy, Numbers? Before the Toowoomba locals take you out and shoot you.

  31. 1735099

    Let me tell you it’s fucking heaps.

    Really.
    My platoon had 2 in the tour. Given that rifles were carried 24/7, that’s not a bad record. What’s your source for that comment?

  32. Abu Chowdah

    Prejudice against the US military has existed like a dirty snicker in the Australian armed forces since World War II. Most of it comes from resentment about the Americans’ superior budget and firepower.

    True, and also from the secret denial of the fact that the Yanks are more aggressive than our own commanders/politicians. We are soft cocks by comparison, but fantasise that we get shit done better than the Yanks. Look at the entire effort around getting Bin Laden. Legendary stuff.

  33. DaveF

    This a school photo taken last year.

    In it are 2 teachers and 5 children who died.

    Brutal. Heart tearing content.

  34. DaveF

    Correction: from earlier this year.

  35. John Mc

    Part of the problem in Vietnam was their incapacity to listen to anyone else (the Australians for example) who had a better understanding of counter insurgency warfare.

    This is a valid criticism of the US in both Vietnam and Iraq, and something they consistently do badly and show little improvement.

    However, I can’t help but be sceptical that the criticism by other nations is always from a viewpoint of never having to do the heavy lifting themselves. If you threw them into the deep end, and they had to run the battle like the yanks do, I think it’s pretty safe to say they’d all sink. (Except maybe the Brits, but over time they’d look pretty much the same as the Yanks would anyway.)

  36. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    No imbecile, I was mocking you and your ideology.
    You tried, failed, and made a complete ass of yourself in the process.

    You are a complete and utter fuckwit. Your comprehension skills
    approach those of a 7 year old.
    I can guarantee you that if we conducted a quick poll, the result would go entirely my way with regards to you beclowning yourself again.

    Interesting that despite your pathological bigotry towards the US, its people and culture, you decide to spell arse in the American way.

  37. John Mc

    My platoon had 2 in the tour. Given that rifles were carried 24/7, that’s not a bad record. What’s your source for that comment?

    A couple of orders of magnitude longer in the Army than you were including operations with an infantry battalion.

  38. Abu Chowdah

    Interesting that despite your pathological bigotry towards the US, its people and culture, you decide to spell arse in the American way.

    Hypocritical, too, since the febrile old chalk molester tried to accuse me of being a Yank because I called him an ass hat.

  39. kae

    Fool of the year!

    Woman who was accidentally overpaid $2M (yes, two million dollars) by Centrelink and proceeded to spend it.

    Funnily enough, when Cenrrelink realised the mistake and came to get it she’d spent some of it.

    Now they’re selling her house to pay for the missing money.

    And she’s whinging about it. “Poor me. It was their mistake. I am a single parent with three kids…”

    Too bad, lady. The money wasn’t yours.

    The lawyer she’s engaged was bleating about it being their mistake and that because she hadn’t blatently ripped off the system by deception she should be shown some leniency.

    WTF?

  40. Rudiau

    Fleeced, All the best, speedy recovery.
    IT where do I send the dry cleaning bill.
    Huck @23 Dec 12 at 7:51 pm. Well said.
    Sinclair thanks for your time and patience.

    I have learnt a lot and am still learning, thanks to all
    of you guys and gals.

    Merry Christmas to all.

  41. 1735099

    “operations with an infantry batallion”
    Do tell – what unit – what theatre?

  42. DaveF

    I’m currently reading a book by Colonel Tim Collins an ex battalion commander in the British Army (in fact his lot were all Irish).

    He gripes several times how good and abundant the US equipment is. In fact they wore hand me down desert fatigues in Iraq II.

    He is somewhat critical of the US troops behaviour as well.

  43. Megan

    It’s the well-known Somalian model.

    Brings Somalia into the argument because it suits him today but discounts Honduras the other day, despite it having the highest number of gun killings per head of population with only 500,000 firearms spread amongst the population. Compared to 280,000,000 firearms in the US which sits in 28th spot for gun deaths per head. Because he plain and simply could not, or most likely did not have the mental firepower, to explain the difference

    His total stupidity is only exceeded by his compulsion for attention at a site where he is beaten comprehensively in every single thread he contaminates.

  44. Megan

    And I’ll take this chance to wish everyone the love, joy and peace of Christmas, wherever you might happen to be.

  45. Abu Chowdah

    However, I can’t help but be sceptical that the criticism by other nations is always from a viewpoint of never having to do the heavy lifting themselves. If you threw them into the deep end, and they had to run the battle like the yanks do, I think it’s pretty safe to say they’d all sink. (Except maybe the Brits, but over time they’d look pretty much the same as the Yanks would anyway.)

    This is exactly right. Economies of scale.

    It’s a lot easier to manage a boutique involvement.

  46. John Mc

    Do tell – what unit – what theatre?

    Fuck off dipshit. If I share personal information with friends, it’s because they’re friends. That’s not you and you don’t need to know my history and I’m fucking sick to death of yours. Facts speak for themselves, if you’re trying to gain leverage by adding your service number to your tag you’ve already lost.

  47. Abu Chowdah

    Merry Christmas, Megan, and to all Cats.

    Not much festive spirit where I am but we have scored a large turkey and have lotsa booze, so it should be a good one.

  48. Alice

    Tom says

    “Don’t suppose we could interest you in a self-immolation with Kero Boy, Numbers? Before the Toowoomba locals take you out and shoot you.”

    Get off the booze Tom. Its making you aggro. Xmas hasnt started yet.

  49. 1735099

    @megan
    Better link to the source for your ranking of the US as 28th, otherwise readers might be tempted to think you made it up, given that the most common ranking is 10th or 11th.
    And of course, the US and Honduras are remarkably similar /sarc.
    Try a comparison with like societies, say Canada, the UK, or Australia if you want to seem even a little bit credible.

  50. John Mc

    It’s a lot easier to manage a boutique involvement.

    I love that expression, ’boutique involvement’! I’m going to use it. I’ll credit you: ‘Abu Chowdah of Catallaxy’!

  51. 1735099

    “fuck off – dipshit”
    Translation – I can’t share it because I made it up……

  52. John Mc

    Try a comparison with like societies, say Canada, the UK, or Australia if you want to seem even a little bit credible.

    That’s not fair either. The US isn’t the anglosphere and fought a revolution to make sure there was a difference.

  53. Abu Chowdah

    Ahlan wa sahlan, John! Welcome!

  54. John Mc

    Translation – I can’t share it because I made it up……

    Whatever, mate. I wonder the same thing about you: plenty of exaggeration to say the least, eh.

  55. Alice

    Tom

    Ill give you this.

    At least numbers contributes to the conversation which is more than you do bozo brain.

    I copped one of your sub contributions yesterday.

  56. Gab

    heheh “exaggeration” that’s putting it euphemistically.

  57. 1735099

    “there was a difference”
    Of course – the myth of American exceptionalism. It’s more accurately American ignorance. Refer their rate of firearm fatalities per head of population, something they seem to be quite comfortable with.

  58. m0nty

    I have blogged again about the future of online journalism in Australia, answering Andrew Elder’s comments on my last post.

  59. John Mc

    So you think the list of American achievements doesn’t constitute exceptionalism? How do you think they managed what they’ve done?

  60. DaveF

    Well, well, well you can’t kill bureaucracy.

    The UN Trsusteeship Council shut up shop in 1994. Oh wait. It’s charter was fulfilled in 1994 but its still with us with both a President and Vice president.

    Since 1994 new roles for the council have been proposed, including administering the global commons (e.g., the seabed and outer space) and serving as a forum for minority and indigenous peoples.

    I couldn’t find a budget but I’ll bet it’s at least $5m.

    (it was set up to help colonies to independence after WW2, the last one was Palau)

  61. 1735099

    “how do you think they managed…”
    They have many great achievements, balanced by the great harm they’ve done. Australia and Antartica are the only continents on earth that haven’t experienced US military intervention.

  62. C.L.

    Just swishin’ through…

    Tim Blair reports: Wayne Swan endorses gun ownership.

  63. Gab

    Very stodgy piece of drivel monty. Didn’t you say you went to J school? Did you graduate?

  64. m0nty

    Yes Gab, you don’t need to tell us it went over your head.

  65. John Mc

    Australia and Antartica are the only continents on earth that haven’t experienced US military intervention.

    Considering that for most of the other continents we’ve stood with the yanks, if not having our asses saved by them, it raises the question about what aspects of military intervention you oppose.

  66. 1735099

    Suggest you read Cole Blasier – “The Hovering Giant” for a treatment of US intervention in the Americas.

  67. Megan

    @megan
    Better link to the source for your ranking of the US as 28th, otherwise readers might be tempted to think you made it up, given that the most common ranking is 10th or 11th.
    And of course, the US and Honduras are remarkably similar /sarc.
    Try a comparison with like societies, say Canada, the UK, or Australia if you want to seem even a little bit credible.

    The link was with the original post moron. Go back and look it up. And if Honduras and the US are comparing apples and oranges, how the hell does your Somalian comment have any relevance?

  68. DaveF

    Just read your piece m0nty.

    The way to make money with a blog is to do solid book reviews with Amazon links. Or product reviews with Amazon links. Or fashion reviews with Amazon links.

    Ideally you blog about a niche hobby like model trains or wooden boating otherwise it’s pretty crowded.

    I’m sure you see the pattern. Google ads are hopeless they never get clicked as they are usually irrelevant anyway.

    Banner ads are a possibility for political blogs but Oz would need a critical mass of blogs out there to justify political parties to make the effort to create them. So that’s off the table at the moment.

    Check Instapundit for his mix of politics and Amazon promotions, he’s one of the few to do that, also the Other McCain does it a fair bit as well as panhandling.

    I looked into it a year or 2 ago so my info on banner ads might be a bit outdated but the Amazon/Google Ads should still be correct.

    PS the only way to make any money with Google Ads is to keep repeating the same word in your posts (they jump you if you try sly coding or write it in the background colour) to get the ad you want served up. You can’t request which ones you want, only forbid the ones you don’t.

  69. nilk

    Well, I go off to have a nap and I see numbers is in da house.

    Oh well.

    Fleeced, God willing you get better and have a happy healthy christmas, and to the rest of the Cats here, make sure you do too.

    I am childfree tonight, so will be putting my feet up and thinking about Doing Stuff. The presents are wrapped and there is the never-ending laundry to be folded, so I might do that also.

    God bless you all, a Child is born*!

    *okay, tomorrow morning He will be, but you know what I mean. :D

  70. 1735099

    It’s the well-known Somalian model.

    Brings Somalia into the argument because it suits him today but discounts Honduras the other day, despite it having the highest number of gun killings per head of population with only 500,000 firearms spread amongst the population. Compared to 280,000,000 firearms in the US which sits in 28th spot for gun deaths per head. Because he plain and simply could not, or most likely did not have the mental firepower, to explain the difference

    His total stupidity is only exceeded by his compulsion for attention at a site where he is beaten comprehensively in every single thread he contaminates.

    This is the entire “original post”. It contains no link. Who’s the moron?
    This is the correct data.

  71. DaveF

    And don’t dismiss The Drum so quickly, I understand they pay $500.

  72. Tom

    Alice, you and the old commo traitor are made for each other. Just don’t breed.

  73. Tom

    And don’t dismiss The Drum so quickly, I understand they pay $500.

    They pay $200 for junk their zombie authors couldn’t give away to commercial media.

  74. DaveF

    Actually m0nty I’d suggest you could get banner ads from the well funded proto-commie lobby groups like GetUp and The Greens flogging their latest agitation.

    There are plenty of those busybodies and they always have a new outrageous outrage to be outraged about.

    If you had any readers you’d coin it.

    On this side of the aisle there is basically jack.

  75. DaveF

    Ok $200 then. Its still something and they’ll print any statist pap you want to churn out.

  76. jumpnmcar

    Safe merry Xmas ALL.
    The Cat is a place of learning for me and rarely am I disappointed.
    And remember

    “Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves – regret for the past and fear of the future.”
    –Fulton Oursler

    Off for a bit of “extended family” adventure.

  77. m0nty

    The way to make money with a blog is to do solid book reviews with Amazon links. Or product reviews with Amazon links. Or fashion reviews with Amazon links.

    Don’t worry, I’ve looked into it.

    Essentially the poliblog itself won’t make money. You have to subsidise it as part of a larger entity to add gravitas, or find a sugar daddy. Which is what journalism has always been about, to be truthful.

    I have some ideas about how to make it work online in Australia. Dunno if I’ll ever get the chance to test my theories out. It would be difficult, no doubt. If it wasn’t, someone would have done it already.

  78. DaveF

    In fact you guys could all link together to increase hits.

    m0nty can hand wring about the state of the media and last years AFL season.

    SfB can mummyblog about the challenges of watching Kerry Anne while folding the clothes.

    Numbers could share interesting anecdotes about Vietnam.

    Hammy I’m not sure of…perhaps take a Catherine Deveny role with meandering, pointless, meaningless rants? There seems to be a market for that and he certainly has the skills.

  79. Gab

    And don’t dismiss The Drum

    Please. Even the Drum has standards, such as they are.

  80. DaveF

    In spite of being snarky my points about statist lobby groups stands. I’m sure there is an ‘Ethical’ advertising agency out there that has their account.

    Good money in it as long as you leave your conscience at the door We Are The World style.

  81. m0nty

    In fact you guys could all link together to increase hits.

    I am a big fan of Voltronisation. It can’t happen democratically, though. Herding these cats would be impossible. Someone has to rule with an iron fist, albeit resting on the pursestrings.

  82. DaveF

    find a sugar daddy

    .

    Even Graham Wood is getting cold feet with the Global Mail.

    Government banner ads might be worth a look it’s unlikely you’d say anything bad about the current government. Though you only have a 12 month window for that revenue.

  83. m0nty

    In spite of being snarky my points about statist lobby groups stands. I’m sure there is an ‘Ethical’ advertising agency out there that has their account.

    Yeah, like that American mob that advertises T-shirts to wingnuts using pictures of cute girls with large chests. Don’t think there’s enough coin there though.

  84. Tel

    The way to make money with a blog…

    Exxon and the Koch Brothers pay very generously as I think we all know. Or should know, at any rate if they ever got around to sending the cheque. Which they will very soon!

  85. DaveF

    Someone has to rule with an iron fist, albeit resting on the pursestrings.

    Indeed.

  86. DaveF

    There is a group in the UK – FORREST – I forget what it stands for but its a smokers rights mob.

    Fully funded by Big Tobacco.

    Their spokesman travels around the country doing radio and attending rallies with angry publicans.

    That would be my dream job. The pockets of those firms would be deep as the Mariana Trench. Probably illegal here, though.

  87. DaveF

    Don’t think there’s enough coin there though.

    Pretty sure they pay for page views not click throughs so if you have the eyeballs you might do ok.

    American Apparel pay by the eyeball.

  88. Eddystone

    “A FREE PEOPLE OUGHT NOT ONLY BE ARMED AND DISCIPLINED, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT ARMS AND AMMUNITION TO MAINTAIN A STATUS OF INDEPENDENCE FROM ANY WHO MIGHT ATTEMPT TO ABUSE THEM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.” – George Washington

    AKA the “Somalian Model”. LOL

    And there’s this.

    16-year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

    Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.

    Assistant Principal Myrick then forced Woodham to the ground and placed his foot on the student shooters neck.

    Did the Gun Free Zone stop this nut? Nope.

    Did an armed citizen with a .45 pistol? Yep.

    Will you ever hear this in the mainstream media? Nope.

  89. Tel

    Brings Somalia into the argument because it suits him today but discounts Honduras the other day, despite it having the highest number of gun killings per head of population with only 500,000 firearms spread amongst the population.

    Ignoring the Islaimist nature of Somalia, anyone bringing Somalia into the argument, should also bring Nigeria into the argument:

    * Strong central government.

    * Plenty of mineral taxation.

    * Plenty of government projects to improve welfare.

    Of course it is totally corrupt, but that should not bother the typical socialist thinker. Should be the happiest country on Earth. The people are so happy they have nothing to do but send scam emails.

  90. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Been thinking about a few things in the USA, mostly about the nature of modern evil, the left’s smooth philosophy of evil, and the protection of innocent life.

    Since they passed the legalisation of mass murder in the USA (the bill of Roe vs Wade) over 54,000,000 babies have been murdered in the USA.

    On a small number of occasions, anti-baby-murder activists have blown up the death factories, attacked and even killed some of the murderers – the Mengeles – running them.

    The US left has been vehemently in favour of the murder factories being protected by armed personnel legally permitted to use deadly force against anyone trying via direct action to stop the butchery of babies. Anything goes, according to the left, so they can keep murdering babies in these death factories.

    Enter the school murders. The sensible thing to do is to ensure that the same armed response the school called for is present at the start.

    yet, the US left is vehemently opposed to the use of lethal force to stop anyone from murdering children in school.

    But they insist on protecting their own murder factories.

    What this reveals is the philosophical depth of just how fundamentally evil the US left is (a characteristic our own left shareas, of course), their deep misanthropy, and their insatiable lust for industrialised mass murder in a scale that would both make Stalin, Mao and Hitler give a standing ovation and dwarf their own blood-soaked achievements.

    It has not been a comfortable Christmas Eve.

    But perhaps it has been a necessary one.

  91. Sinclair Davidson

    Gentlepeople – I’m off soon to Christmas dinner. So have a good one. Enjoy.

  92. Tel

    Which is what journalism has always been about, to be truthful.

    You spelled “faithful” wrong.

  93. Gab

    Enter the school murders. The sensible thing to do is to ensure that the same armed response the school called for is present at the start.

    yet, the US left is vehemently opposed to the use of lethal force to stop anyone from murdering children in school.

    But they insist on protecting their own murder factories.

    One and the same; the left ensuring the continued slaughter of innocents.

  94. DaveF

    I’ll add my Christmas wishes as well. Have a good one guys and good frigging luck to any Cats in Perth – 40 degrees tomorrow.

    Now these presents aren’t going to wrap themselves…

  95. Infidel Tiger

    Merry Christmas one and all.

    My wife is glazing a ham and I am off to the pub. Just as nature intended.

  96. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Me too. Have a Holy, safe and family Christmas

  97. Jarrah

    Merry Christmas, everyone. Or whatever you celebrate.

  98. JamesK

    Janet Daley, The Telegraph: The truth is that politicians are telling lies
    Government is simply unaffordable

    Was 2012 the year when the democratic world lost its grip on reality? Must we assume now that no party that speaks the truth about the economic future has a chance of winning power in a national election? With the results of presidential contests in the United States and France as evidence, this would seem to be the only possible conclusion. Any political leader prepared to deceive the electorate into believing that government spending, and the vast system of services that it provides, can go on as before – or that they will be able to resume as soon as this momentary emergency is over – was propelled into office virtually by acclamation.

    So universal has this rule turned out to be that parties and leaders who know better – whose economic literacy is beyond question – are now afraid even to hint at the fact which must eventually be faced. The promises that governments are making to their electorates are not just misleading: they are unforgivably dishonest.

  99. Megan

    This is the entire “original post”. It contains no link. Who’s the moron?
    This is the correct data.

    Not my original post at all. Nor is Wikipedia’s 12 year old data the link I put on my original challenge to you EARLIER THIS WEEK.

    That’s here. Thanks for proving so quickly and delightfully easily what a completely asinine, beef-witted clod you are. Not that the rest of us hadn’t worked that out.

  100. JC

    Great Xmas all and see you all on the other side.

  101. Jarrah

    “Since they passed the legalisation of mass murder in the USA (the bill of Roe vs Wade) over 54,000,000 babies have been murdered in the USA.”

    Do you really want to restart this argument? Let’s leave it until the new year at least.

  102. Myrddin Seren

    A big highlight for us was seeing The Church, Devo and, at long last, Simple Minds in Sydney.

    Here are Simple Minds live in 1984

    and here they are nearly thirty years later, still holding a crowd in the palms of their hands.

    Brilliant.

  103. Tom

    Thanks to all the Cats* for making this place a vital oasis for dissidents in the era of vicious leftist state power. This time next year I trust we will have been delivered from this nation-wrecking perversion. And thanks to the Doomlord and Jacques for making it all possible.

    *except the trolls.

  104. blogstrop

    Monty said:

    Essentially the poliblog itself won’t make money. You have to subsidise it as part of a larger entity …

    Paging JC!

  105. nilk

    Gotta love lefty atheists:

    A religious song, but it’s in German so unless you speak the language we atheists can simply enjoy a great piece of music and the sight of people spontaneously coming together in peace.
    G’nite all…happy holidays!
    Warning! This will get stuck in your head for days. And I certainly hope that it does. :D

    It’s only one of the most beautiful pieces ever written, and I’m a sucker for flashmobs.

    Enjoy and God bless.

  106. Tom

    We thrill to the inspired ascension of Australia’s first female prime minister, one of the most unpopular political leaders in Australian history, in Tim Blair’s Quotes of the Year:

    “I’m good mates with Barack Obama. I tell him, ‘you think it’s tough being African-American? Try being me. Try being an atheist, childless, single woman as prime minister’.” Julia Gillard.

  107. blogstrop

    Thanks nilk; pretty “flash” bit of production there. Nicely filmed and edited.

  108. Gab

    It’s only one of the most beautiful pieces ever written,

    Agreed! Always gives me goosebumps and I’m always in tears by the finale.

  109. nilk

    You’re welcome, Blog. That one looks like it was put together by a bank, as I noticed the bank building in the background, and the name was also shown at the end.

    I don’t mind, though – a lot of these flashmobs are nowhere near as spontaneous as they used to be, but they’re still fun.

    And Gab, I had the hanky out, too. Seriously, who could watch the way it played out, with the music, and not be moved?

  110. nilk

    This one is cute because of the fellow that just joins in and gets right into it.

  111. JamesK

    “Since they passed the legalisation of mass murder in the USA (the bill of Roe vs Wade) over 54,000,000 babies have been murdered in the USA.”

    Do you really want to restart this argument? Let’s leave it until the new year at least.

    What argument?

    It’s a statement of fact.

    No opinion was expressed.

    Unless you argue that an prenatal ‘baby’ who like a postnatal baby is vulnerable isn’t really a human life worth defending

  112. Tom

    Thanks for the clip, Nilk. Brilliant!

  113. Pickles

    Ah lovely Noosa. Flew up today. Wore shorts. Out of spite. Staying at a place that has no barby. No barby! Even the backpackers has a barby. Hire one they said. Chops sizzling in commanderred shopping trolley. Fuelled by their poxy fence palings. Send in the drones.

  114. Biota

    Thanks for the link Nilk, wonderful. I have sung that many times in a large choir. Always moving.

  115. Septimus

    Because our youngest daughter has to work Xmas Day, Santa visited the Septimus residence this morning and was very generous. Early Xmas Dinner was delicious roast leg of lamb & roast veggies, followed by Belgian chocolate pudding & custard/ice cream.

    We wish all Catallaxy folk a wonderful Xmas.

  116. Pedro the Ignorant

    And Gab, I had the hanky out, too. Seriously, who could watch the way it played out, with the music, and not be moved?

    from Nilk.

    Me too. I only discovered classical music late in life, and I am forever grateful that I did. Absolutely beautiful piece.

    Thank you for posting.

  117. Jarrah

    Sorry, JamesK, I’m not feeding the trolls tonight. Have a nice Christmas. May your feasts be plentiful, your drinks plentiful, and your company enjoyable.

  118. DaveF

    A new report for policy makers launched by the World Future Council and the Heinrich Böll Foundation at the UN climate summit COP 18 in Doha shows that Renewable Energy Feed-in Tariff policies (REFiT) are a promising mechanism to unlock the renewable energy development in Africa. The report provides an in-depth analysis of existing policies in 13 African countries: Algeria, Botswana, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Mauritius, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, South Africa, Tanzania and Uganda. The study doubles as a comprehensive guide for African decision and policy makers.

    TL;DR these guys reckon overpriced energy is the economic saviour of Africa.

    Murderers.

    FMD

  119. Cold-Hands

    We thrill to the inspired ascension of Australia’s first female prime minister, one of the most unpopular political leaders in Australian history, in Tim Blair’s Quotes of the Year:

    “I’m good mates with Barack Obama. I tell him, ‘you think it’s tough being African-American? Try being me. Try being an atheist, childless, single woman as prime minister’.” Julia Gillard.

    And people wonder why Tim Mathieson, the supposed First Bloke is viewed as a handbag or accessory.

  120. kae

    Try being me….

    I have the smallest violin in the world and it’s playing “My heart bleeds for you”.

  121. johanna

    Anyone who advocates energy ‘solutions’ that they are not willing to live under themselves – and that would be all ‘renewable’ advocates – deserves harsh condemnation. I am feeling charitable just now.

    Merry Kristmas to all Kool Kats and Klassy Kittens, as James Ellroy would say.

  122. DaveF

    Bambi and Saint Gillard are handmaidens. It’s all about them.

    He spent the eulogy of Daniel Inoue speaking about himself.

    It was noticed.

    President Barack Obama used the funeral for Hawaii senator Daniel Inouye to talk about himself. In the short 1,600 word speech, Obama used the word “my” 21 times, “me” 12 times, and “I” 30 times.

  123. DaveF

    We welcome partnerships with all of you, in governments, intergovernmental organisations, civil society, academia, media, and youth groups, to work jointly with 6
    us to secure the implementation of the Global Policy Action Plan to save our shared future and
    regenerate our world.

    Well I’m not included. And basically 99% of the world isn’t either.

    I’m with you johanna I read their communist manifesto and sighed.

  124. DaveF

    The Directors of the group have a *cough* varied *cough* pedigree. Darryl Hannah for example..

    Prof. Dr. Tewolde Berhan Egziabhe, Director General, Environmental Protection Authority, Ethiopia

    He actually includes his CV. Bravo on the chutzpah mate, bravo.

  125. JC

    Interesting editorial in the NY Times supporting the then state law referred to the Sullivan Act in 1911 restricting and permitting concealed carry.

    The motivation for passing the law was no secret. During debates leading to the ultimate passage of the gun control law, The New York Times editorialized:

    Such a measure would prove corrective and salutary in a city filled with immigrants and evil communications, floating from the shores of Italy and Austria-Hungary. New York police reports frequently testify to the fact that the Italian and other south Continental gentry here are acquainted with the pocket pistol, and while drunk or merrymaking will use it quite as handily as the stiletto, and with more deadly effect. It is hoped that this treacherous and distinctly outlandish mode of settling disputes may not spread to corrupt the native good manners of the community.

    More at Reason.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian

    But plenty of New Yorkers have chosen to own guns outside the official system. In a city that, as I write, has roughly 37,000 licensed handgun owners and about 21,000 rifle and shotgun licenses, the running guesstimate of illegal firearms stands at two million, give or take a bit. That’s the number the U.S. Department of Justice has used in its official publications in recent years.

    The article says that the compliance rate with Howard’s laws is estimated at around 19%.

    That’s really successful. Lol

  126. JC

    It’s interesting how no one at this stage has equated the banning of guns to Prohibition and that was really successful. Lol.

    I’ve never wanted a handgun. However I know a Greek hardware store owner who does a brisk business in handguns and would be able to buy one the same day during trading hours.

    Leftwingers are truly fucking thick. They actually think that if you pass a law banning guns people who want a gun will immediately comply with the law.

    What fucking imbeciles.

  127. DaveF

    I despise racists, I despise anti-semites, and I despise vapid poseurs who support terrorist barbarians against the civilised, yet who themselves enjoy the benefits of civilisation.
    — Mk50 of Brisbane
    Next quote »

    We can become a Liberty Quote?

  128. DaveF

    Ban guns.

    It’ll be successful. We’ll ban heroin and dope next.

  129. JC

    I despise racists, I despise anti-semites, and I despise vapid poseurs who support terrorist barbarians against the civilised, yet who themselves enjoy the benefits of civilisation.

    That’s a really really good quote.

  130. Ban guns.

    It’ll be successful. We’ll ban heroin and dope next.

    By crikey Dave F, why muck around?

    Just make murder illegal. End-of-mass-shooting-problems!

  131. JC

    Fat boy scoffed when i made a similar comment about the need to protect oneself from a tyrannical government. And by the way I do consider the current Australian Labor Government having all the traits of being potentially tyrannical…. Note Finkelstein as a baby step. Creating race riots is another.

    Well, the hundreds of millions of people happily rendering gun controls unenforceable around the world probably have a variety of reasons for doing so. But the near-universal resistance to such laws suggests some commonalities.

    As mentioned earlier, even much of modern, democratic Europe was under dictatorial control relatively recently. A hypothetical 80-year-old retiree shuffling today around the house in which he was born in Potsdam would have lived under four governments without ever having called a moving van or packed a box. Two of those regimes (Hitler’s Nazi state and the East German Communist government) would have been among the more evil governments to ever give a secret policeman a leather trench coat, and one (the Weimar republic) was chaotic and inept.

    That retiree’s contemporary in his family home in Marseille would have lived under the tottering Third Republic, the collaborationist Vichy regime, the Provisional Government, the unstable Fourth Republic, and the Fifth Republic.

    And both of them would, today, be eyeing the rise of the yet-unproven European Union.

    The past century has seen the emergence of the bloodiest regimes ever to exist on the planet. During the 20th Century, the People’s Republic of China slaughtered over 76 million people, the Soviet Union murdered roughly 62 million, and Nazi Germany put another 21 million in the ground.

    The Nazi regime rose out of a functioning—though deeply flawed—democracy, so even regular elections are an uncertain barrier to tyrannical rulers.

    But even a perfectly stable democracy is no guarantee against the future. Not content to engage in mass murder within their own borders, totalitarian armies have exported mayhem to neighboring countries.

    Those are only the headliners. According to R.J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii and author of Death by Government, autocratic regimes with a variety of ideologies, or no ideologies at all, shed blood around the world, raising the overall death toll inflicted by governments to 262 million over the course of the 20th Century.

    Democratic regimes weren’t nearly as bloodthirsty as their authoritarian counterparts, though they did commit atrocities—especially in their colonial holdings. They also had a nasty habit of being invaded and occupied by their jackbooted neighbors.

    Given that track record, why would even the inhabitant of a stable democracy, who is perfectly happy with the current political set-up, have any confidence that the government perusing firearms registration records ten years down the road will bear any resemblance to the government gathering those records now?

    Keeping a few unregistered guns may well look like an insurance policy against a future that could all too easily resemble the past.

    The United States has been happily free of dictators, purges, and occupation, but it doesn’t take a large dose of paranoia to look back over history and wonder if this one country is necessarily a permanent exception to the troubles that have engulfed the rest of the planet.

    And even if America never proves to be Weimar Germany with weaker beer, or to have the border integrity of France’s Third Republic, elected officials, like those in New York and California, do their reputations no favor when they violate promises that registration records will never be used to ease confiscation schemes.

  132. Yobbo

    We also used to have armed guards patrolling our farms on horseback, protecting us and our livestock from barbarians and wild animals.

    News flash Monty, most farmers are still armed. They just keep their gun in their Ute rather than on their horse now.

  133. JC

    Really interesting piece about the future of American conservatism. It looks bleak and seems to be based mainly on future racial composition.

    So what to do? Target more Hispanic voters? There are big doubts. The GOP would be killing itself if it favored the immigration policies of the demorats.

    Or take a serious turn and become white party and make elections based on racial differentiation? One problem is how to attract more white women.

    I’ve often said that the GOP needs to be as cynical and power hungry as the American left. So go white. Become the white people’s party and let the cards fall they may.

    http://www.fpri.org/articles/2012/12/crisis-american-conservatism-inherent-contradictions-and-end-road

  134. dover_beach

    JC, I’ve been dipping into the NYT this morning; I usually avoid it completely and after today’s perusal I can see why. Reading the comments section of Ross Douthat’s blog it is incredible how many nincompoops can be filled into such a small space. The comments are generally so idiotic it is frightening. One comment was so stupid it stopped me in my tracks and I had to say: enough, anymore might be fatal. Almost everyone of the them was complaining because Douthat had compared attempts to regulate alcohol with gun, with many saying that analogy was ridiculous because they are not identical (without knowing that analogy depends on any two items not being identical but rather similar). But then some bright spark entered the conversation and took the stupid to eleventy by saying:

    Isn’t drunk driving illegal Ross? So how is this comparison even remotely appropriate?

    Apparently he failed to realize that murdering 26 souls is also “illegal”. I have to say, it is hard to find a generally intelligent reader at the NYT if their comments sections are anything to go by.

  135. Blogstrop

    Christmas Greetings to everyone.
    While we contemplate and celebrate Christ’s birth today, we cannot escape the pincer movement that has already begun. Our useful leftists in the media denigrate christianity at every opportunity, while on the other “pince” the islamics want to claim Jesus as an islamic prophet who was done away with by the jews, adding that to their infamy.
    Having plenty of observant christians among my relations and friends, and appreciating those in this company, I am heartened. But for too many in the broad swathe of Australian voterland, this day has become pretty secular. The impression given by the media of the established churches is badly discoloured by the campaigns being waged. One is the rainbow mob who want gays to be accepted despite the biblical teachings ( that it is sinful and to continue in that practise is not acceptable, certainly not in an ordained person), while the other is the determined attack on the catholics, who will continue to be painted with the one brush as child molesters. It’s not so heartening to see the Uniting Church deteriorate into a happy clapping leftist lot, entertaining any cause that Labor/Greens would approve of.
    The focus on those outfits that provide christmas lunch to an ever increasing lot of homeless people seems to be the number one priority of the media. The number of homeless will continue to increase while that same media fails to support a society with values, a society based on intact families, a society where being an aimless and possibly mentally unfit (albeit temporarily) person is represented as the outcome of an uncaring capitalist system rather than as yet another symptom of moral failure. The media love the welfare message, but not the hard love required to get people back on the rails.
    I’m sure we all look forward to the new year and the sea change it will bring politically.

  136. Tom

    My Christmas contemplation: I wonder how many of the pseudonyms at the Cat I know in the real world by their real identities? Because credibility is the cornerstone of my professional career, I prefer not to express personal opinions about politics and other matters under my own name. But I still have them. So to find an online community where the honesty and the language are cutting and direct is a liberator. To be free of the fashionable juvenile herd of the left is essential if one is to make sense of the world.

    The left constantly has our civilisation under attack, but, until now, we have been used to an ordered political-economic system without the need to spell out why it works. Those who believe in the system are only just waking up to the fact that it’s time to begin to articulate the philosophical and intellectual foundation and strength of capitalist democracy.

    In Australia, the Gillard Government is a perversion of the democratic system that is the result of voter indecision. Without wanting it, we have finished up with a Green Left government — led by a clumsy, incompetent extremist — that is a wrecker of the system and the civilisation.

    My Christmas wish is that the electorate will be given an early opportunity to vote. The result is far from a foregone conclusion. It may be that enough people believe we are rich enough to extend this destructive experiment to the point where the wealth that supports it collapses in misery and hardship. The election, when it happens, may well be a cliff-hanger.

  137. Pickles

    Yea to all of that Tom.

  138. papachango

    Because credibility is the cornerstone of my professional career, I prefer not to express personal opinions about politics and other matters under my own name

    Tom I’m in the same boat. Though sometimes I think that, if it’s socially and professionally acceptable to express a leftwing political opinion, why should I hide my views? It’s not like I support the KKK or anything.

    I’ve decided on a (slightly wussy) compromise – I won’t trumpet my opinions out there like many leftists, but if asked, or if the conversation turns to such topics, I won’t hide my views.

    By staying in the closet we’re just helping the leftists to accelerate the destruction of western civilisation.

  139. hammygar

    That appalling effort by Bragstrip is so homophobic and Islamaphobic that he should be prosecuted for hate speech. The sooner the Finkelstein reforms can be legislated to include blogs the better.

  140. JC

    Dover

    Stop reading it unless it’s for amusement. Be heartened by the fact that like Fuckedfax they are going bankrupt and having to sell the furniture in order to shore up short term finances. :-)

    Let me say this, if the left try to ban guns with some maneuver through the Supreme Court by attempting to ignore the Constitution (if the Kenyan manages to stack the court), it will be on for young an old. There could be a revolution and a lot of dead people.

  141. papachango

    Become the white people’s party and let the cards fall they may.

    yeah that’ll work. become like the KKK /sarc

  142. DaveF

    Qover if comments at the NYT get on your goat try the Guardian lol

  143. nilk

    Hammy you have no idea of what you’re talking about. I guess this was put up in the interests of initiating dialogue, because those afternoon teas with the nice interfaith sessions doesn’t appear to be working.

    The christmas fatwa that was all over the news (and all over the world in 48 seconds flat, it seems) was also rather rapidly abrogated. Oops, I guess the Lakemba mob should have shut up. No matter, Sheikh Yahya will no doubt be told to stop talking where infidels can hear just like Catmeat Was.

    Maybe we can call this fellow Sheikh Grinch?

    As for the gay lobby, I guess they’ve never expressed any idea to drag down the church? I’m not talking of individual gays, I’m talking of those radical activists also known as the gaystapo, the rainbow sashers who like to invade catholic churches and demand the Eucharist.

    Yeah, I can see plenty of goodwill there.

  144. papachango

    Sorry I can’t find an English translation, but if you can read French, this is probably the best open letter I’ve ever read.

    From an actor, no less, in fierce defence of individual liberty, and against effectively paying 85% of his income int ax for France’s socialist government.

    When French PM Jean-Marc Ayrault called Gérard Depardieu ‘shabby’ he took exception and wrote back to him as to exactly why he’s going to live in Belgium and renouncing his French citizenship. (The French make fun of the Belgians as hicks, so this is rather deliciously ironic)

    A couple of snippets:

    I’m giving up my passport and social security, which I’ve never used….

    I’m leaving because you consider that success, talent, creativity, in fact any difference [between people] needs to be punished..

    Bravo Gérard!

    There’s a steady stream of successful French people doing the same, meaning the socialist welfare state will probably collape under its own weight.

  145. dover_beach

    JC: Become the white people’s party and let the cards fall they may.

    papa: yeah that’ll work. become like the KKK /sarc

    No, the idea is that you simply state your principles consistently and fearlessly without prejudice or pandering to this or that social group and let the cards fall where they may.

    But let’s be honest, the demographic profile of Republican voters is pretty much like that of most Ivy League colleges; you know, those colleges that a great many Democratic supporter in the academy and the media either attend, attended, teach in, or wanted to.

  146. papachango

    No, the idea is that you simply state your principles consistently and fearlessly without prejudice or pandering to this or that social group and let the cards fall where they may.

    Fair enough – I can agree with that. But to be a ‘white people’s party’ is just indulging in the same collectivism and identity politics as Emily’s List, the Aboriginal Industry, Viva Palestina and whatnot. Plus most white poeple would run a mile at something that remotely resembles the BNP or the KKK. Very Bad Idea.

  147. johanna

    Gerard Depardieu is a remarkable chap. Ugly, huge and ungainly, he is nevertheless capable of being anything on screen – lover, villain, hero, fool. His Asterix movies are magnificent – but so are others where he has played hard-bitten cops and lovestruck idiots.

    A while back, he was accused of behaving badly on a plane, and it went all over the world. They wouldn’t let him go to the toilet, so he allegedly peed in the aisle. Here was his response:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIMvCA2mSag

    It’s only a couple of minutes long, and well worth a look.

    Losing Gerard should be a serious warning to the French government that they are on the path to self-destruction.

  148. JamesK

    But let’s be honest, the demographic profile of Republican voters is pretty much like that of most Ivy League colleges; you know, those colleges that a great many Democratic supporter in the academy and the media either attend, attended, teach in, or wanted to.

    That’s not true.

    The left have taken over all the institutions including the universities and inculcate leftism.

    All the ivy league universities are liberal.

    Conservatives who come out of said universities entered as conservatives and kept quiet to graduate.

  149. JamesK

    A happy and holy Christmas to all Catallaxans.

    Even the leftys

  150. blogstrop

    There was no need for the “link” Hammasguy, it was only three comments above your dummy spit.

  151. blogstrop

    Sorry, it is Hammasgay?

  152. johanna

    Tim Blair could have a bit of fun with this:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-25/anti-logging-activist-spends-second-christmas-up-tree/4443256

    “She has been campaigning to protect high conservation-value forests from logging, and says she hopes it will be her last Christmas in the tree.

    “I would really like to be coming down in 2013,” she said.”

    :)

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