Utopia always ends up with mass murder

Richard Parncutt has some interesting views. Here is a screen shot from his home page.

Then there is this:

Global warming is really happening. It is due to human activities, largely irreversible, and a massive threat to future generations (more). It could be stopped by programs financed by new global taxes on wealth, environmental damage and financial transactions. But the rich are hiding US$ 30 trillion in tax havens, and global warming deniers and media are distorting the facts, which is risking the lives of hundreds of millions. Not only that – fossil fuels are still being subsidized! If you are concerned, please either sign my petition or send me a suggestion for improving it. And sign up to 350.org.

Okay – so he has an opinion. So what else does he think?

In this article I am going to suggest that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers. But before coming to this surprising conclusion, please allow me to explain where I am coming from.

I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases, and I have always supported the clear and consistent stand of Amnesty International on this issue. The death penalty is barbaric, racist, expensive, and is often applied by mistake. Apparently, it does not even act as a deterrent to would-be murderers. Hopefully, the USA and China will come to their senses soon.

I don’t think that mass murderers of the usual kind, such Breivik, should face the death penalty. Nor do I think tobacco denialists are guilty enough to warrant the death penalty, in spite of the enormous number of deaths that resulted more or less directly from tobacco denialism. GW is different. With high probability it will cause hundreds of millions of deaths. For this reason I propose that the death penalty is appropriate for influential GW deniers. More generally, I propose that we limit the death penalty to people whose actions will with a high probability cause millions of future deaths.

Looks like DeSmogBlog already has a list of prominent “deniers”.

Jo Nova has more here and Anthony Watts here.

Before we get any comments about “another Austrian with ideas to murder people he doesn’t like”, Parncutt is Australian born and educated.

HT: Andrew Bolt

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169 Responses to Utopia always ends up with mass murder

  1. duncanm

    Looks like he got his spark of insight from these wonderful people:
    World Future Council

  2. ar

    I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases

    Yeah sure. Leftists love summary execution…

  3. JC

    He’s most certainly not the only one that thinks like that. I’d bet the senior ranks of the Greens would believe that.

  4. Pickles

    Pretty dangerous shit he’s monkeying with.

  5. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Sauce for the goose….

  6. NoFixedAddress

    I am so glad that so many individual Americans, Israelis’, Australians, New Zealanders and hopefully British still have guns.

  7. Why do I have the feeling that the ranks of “influential GW deniers” will include anyone who has ever annoyed Richard Parncutt?

    I’ll betcha even the kid who bowled him out for a duck in u/7 cricket will be on the list.

  8. Cold-Hands

    Just keep him away from Clive “Suspend Democracy” Hamilton.

  9. Bronson

    He’s making a list and checking it twice! I hope the local police have him on their watch list for his neighbours sakes.

  10. Myrddin Seren

    What influence have the catastrophic-AGW sceptics delivered ?

    No UN body specifically tasked to advance the AGW proposition ?

    No CO2 taxes ?

    No huge taxpayer subsidies for all sorts of research ?

    No energy laws skewed to support decarbonisation ?

    In terms of influence, the sceptics have achieved just about zero. Other than doggedly persisting.

    What actions can possibly even qualify as

    will with a high probability cause millions of future deaths

    Monckton seizing an open mike at Doha ?!

    This guy is at the 350.org compass point where it is in effect a death cult – despite the protestations of ‘think of the children’.

    What he is protesting at is heresy, people who actively challenge his cult.

    And cultists can be dangerous – although this guy simply wants to co-opt the state do execute his murder-porn fantasy.

    The risk is that the rhetoric of the cultists escalates as they inspire impressionable minds to strike out.

  11. Scratch a Greenie – find the inner fascist.

  12. Harold

    They’ve got more than just lists, they’ve got a database that would make the KGB proud

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Sinclair_Davidson

  13. roger

    Global warming is really happening.

    I have to confess that until this professor of the psychology of music steped in, I did have my suspicions about the science behind Global Warming. Thanks for sorting this out for me, prof.

  14. Fisky

    Nearly every leader of the Greens thinks like this.

  15. roger

    Nearly every leader of the Greens thinks like this.

    …Except the part of Global Warming really happening.

  16. blogstrop

    Further confirmation that the Long March has been all too successful. This frootloop is a professor, FFS.

  17. Borisgodunov

    Withdraw ALL Funding from his uni .let the Bastard WORK for a living or Starve.he will be too busy to think up shit like this!

  18. Steve of Glasshouse

    Any chance we can get on his list? If we manage to crack the magic million on HIS death wish list, he will be hoist on his own petard.
    Kill one to save a million..tongue in cheek..

  19. “high probability it will cause hundreds of millions of deaths”

    Well, it’s lucky Rachel Carson is already dead otherwise she’d be on his kill list, too, surely?

  20. candy

    Perhaps it’s about money and he’s gathering donations to the cult by making outrageous statements.

  21. Bruce

    These people like making lists, and threats of violence.

    When you point this out to them they go wishywashy and deny they ever did. Its a trait of the species.

  22. cohenite

    This guy should be investigated for possible criminal charges.

  23. Gab

    Next up, the climate fundamentalists will round up the skeptics and put them into concentration camps.

    Says so very little about their “science” that they have to resort to threats.

  24. JC

    He’s obviously living in the right place. Saves money instead of traveling every year to visit the Fuehrer’s birthplace.

    What a disgusting piece of Australian shit.

  25. Dan

    This dude is absolutley unhinged. Can’t we lock up people who advocate the death of their fellow citizens?

  26. Dan

    Dunno about you lot, but i sent an email to the uni asking whether or not if they approve of someone using their university website to advocate the death of ordinary citizens for being sceptical of global warming.

    Give em shit

    E-Mail: info(at)uni-graz.at

  27. manalive

    This guy should be investigated for possible criminal charges …

    This idiot must be breaking the law — he’s 57 so youthful stupidity is no excuse.
    Given the derangement of many (most) CAGW fanatics, what he writes is incitement to violence or possibly murder.
    We’ve seen people assassinated in Netherlands for their opinions by fanatics.
    Sinclair Davidson has used the word ‘utopia’ ironically, the nearest thing to a Green ‘utopia’ in fiction I’ve read is Ayn Rand’s Anthem.

  28. Dan

    The Green utopia is a place like the false economy of Nimbim. Where everybody owes everybody else a hundred bucks. Even when the harvest comes in, the debt is never settled because they screw each other over no problem.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    I plan to kill Cunttrap in self defence.

  30. JC

    Great idea Dan

    I composed this email and sent it to the address.

    Hi:

    Just wanted to alert the university there seems to be a mentally disturbed individual on staff and therefore may be worth investigating those appalling opinions he posted on a university website.

    The thought occurred to me that the university ought to find it difficult associating with Parncutt in considering Austria’s 20th century history. Proposing the death sentence over questions of science belong to the Nazi era, not the modern democracy that Austria is now.

    The link below shows what he wrote.

    Link

    I read the professor is Australian, which got me thinking. Perhaps he moved to Austria in order to save the cost of traveling annually visiting his Fuehrer’s birthplace and celebrate the birthday?

    Yours

    JC

    (I find needling organizations like these always gets good results. They hate sarc)

  31. JC

    oops corrected

    with Parncutt considering Austria’s 20th century history

  32. Dear moonbat,

    [A tad OTT. Sinc]

    Yours in animosity,
    Humanity

  33. Chris M

    This dude is absolutley unhinged.

    Well, duh – he’s a professor at some university. ;)

  34. Toiling Mass

    If he wants to talk about the non-conception of people in the future being murder, what about the solutions AGW prophets espouse, which would have a handful of people living in caves and dying of starvation and lack of modern medicine?

  35. Luke

    That’s hilarious!

    “I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases… The death penalty is barbaric, racist, expensive, and is often applied by mistake.”

    So he’s okay with not putting to death child rapists, serial murders or torturers but people who disagree with him oh we should definately kill those ****s!’.

  36. tbh

    I can’t help but laugh at sheer bare faced lunacy like that. He’s probably serious but at the same time an utter self-parody. Like our mate Hammy here, but with tenure and a soap box on which to spout his hilarious opinions.

    Please Prof., tell us more about your interesting ideas!

  37. NoFixedAddress

    Seriously, I am absolutely terrified of this person.

    How do I go about, whom do I talk to and make application to ensure he never ever comes near Australia ever again.

  38. NoFixedAddress

    If useless people from the ANU were scared of death threats

  39. DaveF

    Why the outrage?

    Surely if the problem is so severe the only resolution is to Final Solution the doubters.

  40. sdfc

    Global warming has hit Perth in a big way this week.

  41. DaveF

    Earlier there was a link for Sinclair Davidson at Sourcewatch.com.

    A badge of honour that one.

  42. Gerry

    Well this guy is right up there with Peter Singer in the excremental wasteland of Oz …something about killing people off seems to come naturally along with a totalitarian streak …..but then our Prime Minister is a piece in her own right ……what’s happening down here ?…

  43. tbh

    Dunno sdfc, we’ve had plenty of hot Chrissies before! There’s actually something a bit wrong feeling about a summer Christmas, especially when you’ve done in the northern hemisphere.

    When that sea breeze rolled in this afternoon it was bloody marvellous though.

  44. Fisky

    The entire Left agree with this man. They will scoff at any mention of him and call his views ‘too extreme’ but in fact they are only irritated that he has expressed their real position 20 years too early. I bet Prof Kwiggin will never be able to issue a straight condemnation of these opinions except as a throat clearer. Nor will Fran B. She is usually quite excitable when the topic of executing people comes up.

  45. The Old and Unimproved Dave

    Richard Parncutt’s ideal world…..’Euth-opia’

  46. Jazza

    I think it is law in this country that you have to prove someone guilty to punish them and the death sentence is not an Australian law.
    Mind you changing laws to suit is not beyond the awful government we have to endure for at least half of the New Year, supported by a strong left leaning MSM contingent and finding suitable politicised leftist bums sitting on our law benches is no rarity!

  47. Tom

    “Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz” says more about the irrelevance of this fruitcake than I ever could. Except that 97% of academics globally wish they’d said it, even if they’d had to do so anonymously.

  48. Jazza

    Hmmm, second thought: how can anyone of sane mind be a little bit in favour of the death penalty for only one
    “crime” but condemn it for all other crimes–especially since he won’t be around to “prove”his forward mass killing theory and it is the basis of his “guilty” charge???
    But maybe this chappie believes a woman can be a little bit pregnant too?

  49. Zatara

    Two thoughts a bit darker than I care to have on Christmas:

    - At what point does taking preventative action against someone who has made a specific threat to your life become self defense? (And in specific proportion to what you were threatened with of course).

    - What if an even more socially maladjusted individual than Parncutt kills someone on that list, and admits that’s where he got the inspiration?

  50. Tom

    Turns out the professor doesn’t get on with his work colleagues because of his “cultural and disciplinary Otherness”. Tim Blair’s zinger exposes him as a professional victim.

  51. Sinclair Davidson

    Had me worried there – but my SourceWatch page is still up.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Sinclair_Davidson

    I wish they’d keep it up to date – I haven’t been Dean R&I for about six years.

  52. Tom

    Fairfax’s inner fascist lets it all hang out:

    Smirking Liberal‏@SirLiberal
    @bencubby do you condemn the calls by warmists for the state sponsored murder of #climate skeptics? #auspol http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ

    Ben Cubby‏@bencubby
    @SirLiberal no they should definitely be wiped out

  53. Tapdog

    If you are not concerned, please consider this: You may be enjoying what concerned people achieved in the past.

    Today I may will definitely be enjoying a couple of long necks of VB and The Boxing Day Test.

    Thankful but not concerned.

  54. candy

    Prats are always males tho, not sure if there’s a female equivalent.

  55. Chris M

    Gillard, Wong, Milne etc….

  56. one old bruce

    Tom, after reading the bits Blair quotes I’m thinking this guy’s issues go beyond normal politics or professional victimhood.

    Nerds, geeks, the internet as it has developed over the past decade, sociopathy and the emerging autism-spectrum understanding (is ‘prat’ sufficient?)…

    Sociopathy and high IQ go together.

  57. one old bruce

    Candy, Prats aren’t always males, as pointman describes them (Sociopaths often are). But guys may not object to being backed into a corner at a party by an attractive female Greeny or other totalitarian. Appearing open to ‘conversion’ is a great pickup! Some of us find excited younger fanatical women attractive, even if we disagree with everything they say – They’ve always been my weakness!

    Woody Allen once said something about being unable to resist ‘Kamikaze women’.

  58. candy

    “Woody Allen once said something about being unable to resist ‘Kamikaze women’.”

    for sure, I’ve always thought Sarah HY would garner more male votes for their party if she were leader …

  59. cohenite

    So, Cubby agrees sceptics should be “wiped out”.

    Bastard; seriously, this getting beyond a joke.

  60. DaveF

    Grantham is also known for his real talk on climate change. The Nature piece I quoted focuses on that topic, and advises scientists to “be arrested (if necessary),” in order to inspire policy action on the climate crisis.

    They’re everywhere.

  61. sdfc

    Yeah I know tbh. I was only joking about the global warming.

    I’m not looking forward to a string of 39-40 days though. I’m on skeleton staff duties tomorrow and Friday so I hope building management has the air- con cranked up.

  62. JC

    There’s nothing new in what they are saying. The left has always talked about arresting an killing their opposition.

    Nearly all of them are basically full beta males though and wouldn’t have the guts to do it all by themselves.

    They are pretty good at putting policies in place to have this sort of dirty work done for them. The Australian free speech laws come to mind.

    The libs have to find ways of emptying out academia, the ABC and the various arms of the state through employment terminations on a big scale. If they have to eat grass, then let them.

  63. JC

    DaveF

    I’ve followed Grantham for a long time. We did business with his firm. He’s like Uncle George Soros- a very good stock picker and great macro picture guy. However that’s where it ends. He’s a rotten economist and predictor of other stuff.

    The fucker was a peak oil buff before fracking became known. It’s best to ignore the dick unless he’s picking stocks or indices.

    Fuck him.

    Good commish payer though, or at least he was.

  64. true lilly

    (Past) time to read and/or re-read this 105 year old book:

    The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare
    by Gilbert. K. Chesterton

    Keeping in mind that Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman
    dedicated “Good Omens” to him
    , with the words:
    “A man who knew what was going on.”…oh, and that,
    all of Pratchett’s books feature topics that make the world news,
    AFTER he writes them…

  65. RedneckRuss

    Look forward to watching the Prof as he approaches my front gate. I’ll be ready, willing & able to deal with his kind.

    RussR

  66. Pickles

    Most of these people exist on government grants of some sort. Defunding them is much simpler and cheaper than sacking public servants. Newman carved a heap in the fist few months. Defund your enemies first. Gather the low hanging fruit.

  67. Alice

    JC

    “The libs have to find ways of emptying out academia, the ABC and the various arms of the state through employment terminations on a big scale. If they have to eat grass, then let them.”

    The libs (or some of you) Have gone nutty.You want to empty out government, academia, and you propose letting half of society eat grass?

    You know what? Its your grass they will eat. I watched a show on US prisons and they are full of people who spoecialise in home invasions. Thats what happens when you propose people eat grass.

    The world isnt your libertarian paradise and society needs some order. If you cant provide that then piss off with the extremeist views and bring fucking conservative moderate liberals back to run a government under conservative policies (not the policies of greed for the wealthy who dont want to pay their taxes). You mock Katter and the nats, you dont listen to compromise, you have a take no prisoners attitide and your type are just plain dangerous.

    I support rule by conservative fiscally responsible governments. I dont support rule by libertarians who dont like any government or any public sector and I am not alone out here.

    Its time to end the BS. Its not a society only for the wealthy to dictate terms. Its a society for the middle and upper middle to live in peace, work hard, contribute etc without carrying the load of keeping the very wealthy happy.

    Get with the real picture JC. Conservatism, not bullshit.

  68. JC

    I watched a show on US prisons and they are full of people who spoecialise in home invasions. Thats what happens when you propose people eat grass.

    Interesting, so you think all moochers are potential criminals and that the only way to stop them is by buying the off.

    You think the Steves or Fat Boy ought to be feared, alice?

  69. Alice

    JC

    I dont think all moochers are criminals. But the more society makes moochers of people the worse it gets for other hard working people.
    I certainly think there are a lot of very wealthy moochers out there who dont think they should pay any taxes at all and want the middle and upper middle to pick up their share.

    We have gone way to far with this “support the entrepreneurs” Bullshit.
    They have to carry part of the can too and frankly I am sick to death of libertarians thinking the problem is all government when the whole electoral system is riven by bribes to even get these fuckwits into power.

    Thats the real problem. Do we want a decent government or do we want a “for sale to the highest bidder bunch of shitheads”
    (because thats what we have – democrat / repub/ lib/ labor??

    Who is going to grow the balls to sort the mess out? This isnt any left right problem. Its shittier and dirtier and deeper than that. You know it and I know it and most people know it.

  70. candy

    “Newman carved a heap in the first few months.”

    He certainly did in Health and is closing down some nursing homes.
    He’s not Mr Popularity up here right now.

  71. Alice

    Candy

    I agree.

    Is this what people deserve? And no – Bligh wasnt popular for selling of state assets to the highest bidder at some pretty low bids and got voted out for that – but Newman hasnt solved the problem either (problem being – they are all for sale apparently).

  72. Ellen of Tasmania

    Thats the real problem. Do we want a decent government or do we want a “for sale to the highest bidder bunch of shitheads”

    I think some of us would like to have a government that is so small, no one (rich or poor) can vote (or bribe) themselves largesse. The government can’t give what it has no power to give.

  73. candy

    You’re right Alice.

    He said he would not take jobs from Health and never mentioned closing down the nursing homes before the election.

    The state LNP is looking a little hard hearted at the moment, and perhaps it’s rubbing off onto Mr Abbott unfortunately.

  74. Pickles

    The next one he needs to cull is that gobby cow Hetty Johnson. She was a real warrior for justice until Bligh gave her a dozen staff and $200k a year.

  75. cohenite

    I dont think all moochers are criminals. But the more society makes moochers of people the worse it gets for other hard working people.

    The terminology is distracting; the issue is rights and responsibilities; the current affliction in the West is a chronic designation of victimhood and the allocation of rights to that designated class of victims or cause célèbre.

    This process has abrogated not only merit but more basic standards of fairness. The process has been nourished by political correctness and increasingly censorship and faux beligerence as exhibited by this serious fuckwit, Parncunt.

    The dominant manifestation of this process is AGW where the Earth itself has been designated the victim and a self-appointed cadre of ‘protectors’ actively seeking power and status with no correlation to merit or fairness.

    As a result we see continual usurptation of the democratic, legal and educational structure of the West by this cadre without any responsibility or consequence to their actions.

    The system is becoming tainted and the worry is the longer the taint the more extreme the ‘correction’ will be.

  76. Rabz

    … no they should definitely be wiped out

    Careful what you wish for, you fascist moron…

  77. cohenite

    Oh, I see, A Fruedian slip. Is this better:

    I dont think all moochers are criminals. But the more society makes moochers of people the worse it gets for other hard working people.

    The terminology is distracting; the issue is rights and responsibilities; the current affliction in the West is a chronic designation of victimhood and the allocation of rights to that designated class of victims or cause célèbre.

    This process has abrogated not only merit but more basic standards of fairness. The process has been nourished by political correctness and increasingly censorship and faux beligerence as exhibited by this serious fuckwit, Parncutt.

    The dominant manifestation of this process is AGW where the Earth itself has been designated the victim and a self-appointed cadre of ‘protectors’ actively seeking power and status with no correlation to merit or fairness.

    As a result we see continual usurptation of the democratic, legal and educational structure of the West by this cadre without any responsibility or consequence to their actions.

    The system is becoming tainted and the worry is the longer the taint the more extreme the ‘correction’ will be.

  78. Alice

    cohenite

    BS the issue is AGW. You quote my quote and then turn it into an AGW discusion?

    Nothing to do with AGW, was I talking about. My terminology had nothing to do with how you responded (which was freaking weird).

    You go down your fruit loop pathwas=y to say my argument had something to do with AGW (BS it did) but dont damn well quote me.

  79. Alice

    Dominant illness is AGW???

    What a crock of crap cohenite.

    Get on track.

  80. cohenite

    AGW was an example of what I thought was the issue you were describing; but since you obviously don’t know what you are describing, get stuffed. And you can quote me on that.

  81. Alice

    Candy has it right.

    Do you want votes or the votes of the currently disentchanted?

    Then deliver what the majority of people vote for.
    Dont say “oh great – we won – now we can implement what the maminority of power hungry fritbats in out party want…

    Or you will end up like party run by the Obeid family.
    A corrupt minority that reaches into the pockets of all in a political party.

    Tell me? Does Barry run nsw or does Nick Greiner or the other guy Max Moore Wilon run NSW because I sure as hell know the people voted for Barry, not these other power hungry fuckwits.

  82. Alice

    Cohenite

    Fuck off. You are an idiot who cant even follow the dscussion without bringing up your obviously favourite subject AGW.

    Moron.

    Tell me – if I see my hairdresser this week and get some foils done – will that have something to do with AGW?

  83. Alice

    JC says (about me)

    “Interesting, so you think all moochers are potential criminals and that the only way to stop them is by buying them off.

    No I dont think the only way is by buying them off JC. I didnt say that. You did.

    The only way is by providing sufficient jobs that these moochers earn a decent living!!!!!

    Your fucking rich mates are sequestering their profits to the Cayman islands, are investing jack shit into new jobs, are whinging about moochers, are evading their fuckling tax responsibilities and to be leaders of our societies, are sipping champagne and whbinging abou income taxes and give me the shits.

    This current lot of elites in the US and elsehwere, pardon me, are bludging lazy scum (and you want to talk to me about moochers?).

  84. jumpnmcar

    Newman doesn’t want Utopia or have people killed, he just wants to stem the flow of waste and lay responsibility where it belongs.
    He’s removed more regulations than he has introduced.

    That’s not hard hearted or nasty.

    Popularity problem ? If an election were held tomorrow CanDo would shit it in.

    To many people believe THIS CRAP propaganda .

  85. cohenite

    The subject, you hideous bint, is some fuckwit wanting sceptics of AGW killed; ie the subject is AGW and the wankers, wackos and assorted bits of vomit who support AGW.

    If you are going to insult me at least get your basic position right, you emasculating bitch.

  86. Alice

    cohenite

    I dont know WTF you are on about so how can I argue with you?

  87. Mk50 of Brisbane

    MAlice, here is the subject:

    “I am going to suggest that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers.”

    So, to make it so simple a five year old can understand it:

    1. AGW cultist Parncutt is convinced he has the one Great Truth.
    2. Rational scientifically literate people point at him and laugh.
    3. Parncutt sez this is blasphemy against Gaia.
    4. Parncutt wants them all executed for mocking his religion.

    Got it now?

    Education – you really should try some.

  88. jumpnmcar

    Alice, scroll to top, the very top.

  89. Tom

    Alice you’re regarded as a thread-wrecker and a troll by most at this site. You think you can tell long-term commenters like cohensite to fuck off when most here skip everything you say as spam? Cohenite’s good value for many. Go away.

  90. ella

    Cohenite,

    Love your work.

  91. Tintarella di Luna

    The next one he needs to cull is that gobby cow Hetty Johnson. She was a real warrior for justice until Bligh gave her a dozen staff and $200k a year.

    Mmmmmh yeesss I wondered about Hetty Johnston, did she support the need to re-open Heiner?

    I haven’t heard her ever speak about Heiner, I wonder?

  92. Lloyd

    Do we want a decent government

    I will settle for a middlingly competent government which thinks through issues carefully before acting. At a Federal level such a Government does not exist at the moment.

  93. Tintarella di Luna

    bint,

    Now there’s a most useful word which I’ve been using quite a bit lately, it’ contains the first two letters and last two letters of two words I try to avoid though I realise I needn’t be coy on the Cat.

    Bint very accurately describes the current occupant of the Office of Prime Minister and her fanfare of strumpets.

  94. Steve of Glasshouse

    Alice partial quote..
    “Tell me – if I see my hairdresser this week and get some foils done – will that have something to do with AGW?”

    No, that’s more about the protective capabilities of aluminium foil against the predations of alien space bats

  95. Dangph

    As a practical matter of law, how do you decide whether a particular denier should be executed or not? Here’s Parncutt’s prescription:

    If a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death. The sentence would then be commuted to life imprisonment if the accused admitted their mistake, demonstrated genuine regret, AND participated significantly and positively over a long period in programs to reduce the effects of GW (from jail) – using much the same means that were previously used to spread the message of denial.

    What could possibly go wrong!

  96. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Yeah, this is the standard formula for a National Socialist or International Socialist show trial, complete with public recantation and sentence to a slave labour camp.

    Our Perfesser of Systematic Mental Toxicity is a totalitarian wannabe mass-murderer.

    No wonder the little bastard is in Austria. It’s an easy annual drive to Branau and Leonding.

    Pickles was right – the first person up against the wall would be the kid who caught him out at under ten’s cricket.

    Perhaps we should all club together and put a price on his head?

  97. I think the inference in relation to the death penalty is a very dangerous. It is also undemocratic. Since disagreement is inherent, and necessary, in the democratic search for truth and what is best.

    Let’s assume good faith, attempt to understand the opposing points of view, even their psychological orientation, and resolve the matter by a majority votes.

    Democratic process may also be seen as Utopian, but with the application of personal standards and civic discipline, it can proves to be equally pragmatic.

    As in the climate denial case, as I have seen it, the fallacy is the same. The proposed solution to the problem fails to acknowledge “complexity” of systems.

  98. Bruce of Newcastle

    As in the climate denial case, as I have seen it, the fallacy is the same.

    Wmmbb – But in this case ‘climate scepticism’ is not a fallacy. Climate sceptics, who actually are the realists in this debate, only want truth and to be left to live their lives without totalitarians making them suffer for a lie. Mr Parncutt is an example of what we fear. Also Pentti Linkola, Paul Ehrlich, our own Will Steffen and many others.

    When an ideology fails it can go toxic and end with gulags, dissidents committed to mental asylums, mass starvation and horror. We don’t want the CAGW believers to go this way, especially when they don’t have evidence on their side.

  99. cohenite

    We don’t want the CAGW believers to go this way, especially when they don’t have evidence on their side.

    That’s exactly right; from the start the evidence for this scam was scant, increasingly a product of modelling with incorrect and failed assumptions and parameters.

    AGW is an ideology front and centre, and like all ideologies its inherents have a total ego investment in it.

    For people like Parncutt, Steffan, Flannery etc to let go now involves insuperable public humiliation; for others the power, money and prestige will not be given up without a bitter fight.

    For others, who genuinely believe, this battle will continue for decades; and I fear it will degenerate because the underlying psychology of the adherents to the AGW faith is a misanthropic one where humanity is seen as a blight upon the planet.

    In fact, as with Parncutt, this is how AGW now has to be resisted; as an economic waste-land, as a corruption of the democratic freedoms and a psychological pathology.

  100. 1735099

    We have our own version of utopia in Queensland.

    Newman hasnt solved the problem either (problem being – they are all for sale apparently).

    Newman (Napoleon to his friends) is the original Whiteshoe – a throwback to the days of Bjelke-Petersen. He has transformed the lie into a potent political weapon.
    The people of Queensland have already seen through the PR, although enormous damage has been done, especially to the most vulnerable in the community.

  101. cohenite

    That’s funny, I can’t link to the No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics Party [NCTCS] site.

  102. Alice

    Jumpncar
    Hello on the 27th. I do listen to jumpncar and I scrolled up!!.

    Ok I admit the topic is AGW and Cohenite was on track…..but JC wasnt and he pre-emptively sidetracked me.

  103. cohenite

    You know what numbers, I’m beginning to think you’re a fucking leftie.

  104. candy

    That Parncutt person is either desperate for donations or a sandwich short. No-one could possibly take him seriously?

    What if his mum or dad were so-called “deniers” – would he have them terminated? what a dumbo he is!

  105. Tom

    Campbell Newman, ex-army engineer, is ten times the man you’ll ever be, you old commie traitor. But then he was a proper soldier, not a shitkicker blow-in who didn’t want to be there.

  106. Dangph

    What if his mum or dad were so-called “deniers” – would he have them terminated?

    No. He would only have his mum or his dad terminated if a jury of warmist scientists decided with a 95% certainty that they had committed the precrime of killing one million people in the future.

    (“Precrime”, or committing a crime in the future, is a science fiction word from Minority Report, a short story by Philip K Dick.)

  107. Dangph

    I guess the jury of warmist scientists would make computer models to predict how many future people you will kill.

  108. Newman done damage? Time to change hands numbers.

    Campbell Newman is the best thing to happen to Qld in decades.

    He hasn’t yet put a foot wrong.

    Not only have we got rid of one of the most incompetent governments in history, one that almost destroyed this great state, we have replaced those fools with a pro-active and positive government.

    Campbell Newman: Keep on firing public servants. Keep on cutting funding to creampuffs. Keep on rescinding thousands of pages of legislation.
    Queensland needs you to continue.

  109. 1735099

    @Steve
    So it was OK for him to make a series of promises before the election, and promptly abandon them?
    There are too many to count, but

    Public servants have nothing to fear from an LNP government

    and

    we have no intention to lift the ban on uranium mining

    will do for starters.
    Another leader has been excoriated on this site for exactly the same behaviour.
    Apparently lying is OK so long as it’s done from the right.
    Hilarious.

  110. Leigh Lowe

    Welcome back Numbers.
    Where have been?
    Laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Potato Peeler perhaps?

  111. 1735099

    then he was a proper soldier

    The only memorable part of his otherwise unspectacular army career was his nickname

    noddy

  112. Leigh Lowe

    OK, so Newman wasn’t part of the crack 22nd Airborne Potato Peelers after serving in the Ipswich High School cadets, but there is no need to bag his military service.

  113. Campbell Newman was called “Noddy” at Duntroon for his resemblance to the Enid Blyton character as well as his misadventures, such as his expedition in the Tanami Desert NT, in northern Australia, in which his party had no fewer than 199 flat tyres. This is an area where other people travel without support or problems.

    Noddy Newman is an out of control clumsy social engineer who draws lines on a map straight through peoples lives. He squandered the ratepayers money in Brisbane on a series of failed projects.
    He calls this collateral damage but he has never experienced a shot in anger.

    This boy has some serious baggage which the LNP is yet to discover.
    The people of Queensland have woken up more quickly.

  114. C.L.

    On the upside, he hasn’t been jailed for raping children – like former Queensland Labor leader Keith Wright and Deputy Leader Bill D’Arcy.

  115. William Bragg

    Utopia always ends up with mass murder

    Even if that were true, since modern western capitalism itself is fueled by mass murder – drone strikes, anyone? – that’s hardly a basis for not preferring utopianism.

  116. On the upside.

    No and he doesn’t preside over a cabinet, three of whom were convicted criminals, and a fourth who died before he could be taken to court.
    Give it time….

  117. C.L.

    Yeah. Because drone strikes have killed 100,000,000 – just like communism.

  118. C.L.

    No…

    Thanks for conceding Campbell Newman isn’t a child rapist – like revered Queensland Labor icons Keith Wright and Bill D’Arcy.

  119. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Cohenite:

    We don’t want the CAGW believers to go this way, especially when they don’t have evidence on their side.

    Exactly. To the scientifically literate, the AGW conmen, spivs and charlatans (Flannery, Gore, Mann, the staff at CRU etc etc) are neo-criminals, hucksters on the make. But one can partially respect a good conman even while despising them for the damage they have done and the public money they have stolen and caused to be squandered. Sure it’s a con, but she’s a spectacular con.

    The true jokes are the gullible true believers who not only swallowed it hook line and sinker but are happy-clapping, speaking in tongues, rolling their eyes back in religious ecstasy in the aisles of the cult of Gaia and the AGW-Holy-Rollers.

    Theya re so stupid, so emotionally invested, that the truly believe all the cheap tinsel is gold, and never feel the conman’s fingers as he picks their pocket and robs them blind.

    They never, ever allow themselves to see the utter contempt their ‘high priests’ have for them.

    They are marks, pure and simple.

    And that’s why they will go violent, it has started two years ago with calls for National Socialist/Stalinist show trials, executions and slave labour camps. Some few are already preparing for violence – ‘Deep Green Resistance’ is experiencing a surge in membership and they have no compunction about killing people: for the ‘Higher Good of Gaia’, of course.

    This is why it’s wise to challenge them and present them with serious problems.

    I have written and posted a very polite and very carefully worded, hand-written letter to the Rector of the University of Graz (Rector of the University of Graz, University Professor Doctor Christa Neuper) pointing out the totalitarian and extremist views of Parncutt, his use of the University’s good name to promote these views (and damaged its reputation in Australia in consequence), the disdain most Australians feel for such totalitarian views etc. I have requested that she deal as she sees fit with the matter in accordance with the values, ethical and moral policies of the University.

    I included a link to a copy of his stalinist paper, as well as a printout of it.

    While it would be nice if Mr Parncutt was asked to drop by the rector’s office and explain himself, all such action (if any) is entirely up to the Rector. It’s her uni.

  120. C.L.

    And that’s why they will go violent…

    A good example is the Democrat-endorsed Occupy rape movement.

  121. William Bragg

    Was 911 mass murder? To many American it was. Yet drone stikes and US other military ops have killed far more innocents. Oh, but wait, they’re not our tribe so its okay.

  122. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Dick Bagg:

    …since modern western capitalism itself is fueled by mass murder – drone strikes, anyone…

    Actually, modern western capitalisn is fuelled by coal, oil distillates, gas and nuclear power generation systems.

    Your dream of a socialist society fuelled by murder has been tried and it has failed every time.

    And as it’s a socialist Preshizzle (Paco™)ordering the drone strikes, you should be rejoicing. Especially as he’s schwacking ‘little brown people’, who racist socialists (it’s not a bug it’s a feature) regard as untermensch anyway.

  123. Open

    letter

    to Campbell Newman. Lies should always be called. Not much chance of that on this site if the liar is on the Right.

  124. Gab

    Was 911 mass murder

    LOL the Old bait and switch. Pathetic.

  125. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Dick Bagg:

    …killed far more…but wait, they’re not our tribe so its okay.

    Thanks for the confirmation, racist!

  126. C.L.

    WHO ARE SOLIDARITY?
    Solidarity is a socialist group with branches across Australia.

    LOL.

  127. Mk50 of Brisbane

    I see that Numbers the Racist has appropriated hammyracist the anti-semite’s modus operandi:

    Wah! Wah! I want my mummy!

  128. C.L.

    …and a fourth who died before he could be taken to court

    Is that a reference to Northern Territory Labor leader – and child rapist – Bob Collins?

  129. Mk50 of Brisbane

    But Numbers the racist, uranium mining = less coal burned = lenn eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil CO2 emiotted.

    How can your knob-gobbling greenfilth mate possibly object?

  130. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hmm. Test. ‘less’ in the window comes out as ‘lenn’ in preview??

    less

    lenn

    Weird

  131. Gliberatrians love to toss numbers around. On the whole they prove nothing one way or another, except the paucity of ideas couched in the tossing. (I could use another word, but it seems to offend the delicate sensibilities of some here).
    This is worth consideration –

    Discussion of numbers can blunt our sense of the horrific personal character of each killing and the irreducible tragedy of each death. As anyone who has lost a loved one knows, the difference between zero and one is an infinity. Though we have a harder time grasping this, the same is true for the difference between, say, 780,862 and 780,863—which happens to be the best estimate of the number of people murdered at Treblinka. Large numbers matter because they are an accumulation of small numbers: that is, precious individual lives. Today, after two decades of access to Eastern European archives, and thanks to the work of German, Russian, Israeli, and other scholars, we can resolve the question of numbers. The total number of noncombatants killed by the Germans—about 11 million—is roughly what we had thought. The total number of civilians killed by the Soviets, however, is considerably less than we had believed. We know now that the Germans killed more people than the Soviets did. That said, the issue of quality is more complex than was once thought. Mass murder in the Soviet Union sometimes involved motivations, especially national and ethnic ones, that can be disconcertingly close to Nazi motivations.

    From – Hitler vs. Stalin: Who Was Worse?
    Timothy Snyder

    Perhaps the major difference between the mass murders carried out by the Americans and the European totalitarians is the the former killed foreigners on an industrial scale, wheras the latter did so generally to their own people.
    This is the major qualitative difference (from Hiroshima to My Lai – from Perm-36 to Auschwitz).
    It has nothing to do with Left or Right, and everything to do with totalatarian power.

  132. What’s your point numbers?

    Campbell Newman is 2000% better than the incompetent buffoons he replaced.

    I’m certain I’ve got better goods on him than you have. Mine are real, not mere sour grapes from useless socialists.

    Campbell Newman is not elected to be my best friend, benevolent uncle, or favourite Teddy Bear.
    He’s elected to fix the mess left by a bunch of downright stupid, vapid fools.

    This is what he is doing, and to date doing very well. Perhaps Qld can one day again be a great state!

  133. “Mass Murder carried out by the Americans? Get a grip.

  134. roger

    Exactly. To the scientifically literate, the AGW conmen, spivs and charlatans (Flannery, Gore, Mann, the staff at CRU etc etc) are neo-criminals, hucksters on the make.

    Is Flannery a “criminal”? Did he break any law?
    If no – don’t call him a criminal. Otherwise, you are (a bit) similar to that professor who calls for the execution of anyone disagreeing with him.

  135. Mk50 of Brisbane

    “It has nothing to do with Left or Right, and everything to do with totalatarian power.”

    Horsesh*t, you lying racist swine. All the mass-murdering regimes are socialist, rooted in socialism, or extensions of socialism. The big three were the International Socialists (USSR + satellites, every one of which ran death camps), Maoists (still running massive slave labour camps), and National Socialists (whose murder factories were taken over by Stalin’s international socialists, filled with ‘enemies of the people’ and ran on into the 50s).

    I could go on with the second and third tier slaughtocracies but again, every single one is socialist.

    Show me ‘right wing’ regime that runs or ran slave labour camps, death camps or gulag archipelago’s in the long term. The only example you will find is Francoist Spain and various South American states, and in each the toll was vastly smaller (none make the socialist third tier in terms of numbers murdered – North Korea is in the third tier) and each of those examples wound up a democracy.

    Socialism = totalitarianism.

    Nothing else even comes close except islamic theocracy.

  136. Gab

    Get a grip.

    Yes, well, clearly he already has.

  137. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Wodja:

    Is Flannery a “criminal”? Did he break any law?

    Aah, the Juliar defence!

    Read what I said, idiot: neo-criminals, hucksters on the make.

    Basic comprehension of English is not your strong suite, is it?

  138. roger

    Huh? Did you or did you not call Flannery a criminal?

  139. DaveF

    I dunno if Solidarity’s opinions will carry much weight on this blog Numbers.

    One of their articles scolds the Greens for moving rightwards. lol

    There IS a book review of a Noam Chomsky book on the Occupy movement. Probably a few Cats might enjoy reading that.

    Then Fisk the pants off it later.

  140. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Read what I said, idiot: neo-criminals, hucksters on the make.

    Basic comprehension of English is not your strong suite, is it?

  141. roger

    It reads to me like you called Flannery a criminal.

  142. “[A tad OTT. Sinc]”

    Okay, fair enough. I take it my later post fell into the “waaaay OTT” category, Sinc?

  143. JC

    Found In I-banks macro research predictions for 2013.

    It’s head turning.

    Our commodity team expects US oil production to rise to c10mbd by 2020, up from 6.1mbd today……… The indirect benefits could potentially even be larger. Gas prices are nearly a quarter of European levels – and the German industry federation BDI estimates that by 2020 electricity prices in the US could be nearly half those in Europe, something which could clearly benefit the competitiveness of the US. According to press reports (FT, 28 November), Brussels-based trade associations, Orgalime and Ceemet, fear that European manufacturers are paying
    nearly twice as much for electricity and nearly three times as much for gas as their US
    competitors.

    (f) Manufacturing activity could return to the US
    Between 1998 and 2010, the US lost 6m manufacturing jobs, or a third of overall
    manufacturing employment. Yet, with emerging market wage growth averaging 14% over
    the past decade, the cost advantage of shifting manufacturing jobs to Asia has now been
    diminished. Indeed, BCG highlight that by 2015, Chinese wages in high cost areas (such
    as Tianjin and Shanghai) will only be c30% lower than some of the low-cost US states
    and, with 20% to 30% of costs being labour related, total manufacturing costs will be 10%
    to 15% cheaper. This increases the incentive for companies to return production capacity
    to the US.

    Our power prices could even be cheaper than that of the US, however we carbonic taxed ourselves to death.

    Next time some moron suggests Australia doesn’t make anything remind them why.

  144. Alice

    MK50

    Like no right wing zombies ever abuse human rights do they? They are such wonderful people – you had better read this.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/

    It happened on US soils and not only that they forced abortions on womwn who became pregnant. And who fought to stop it – it was so disgraceful – a cabal of corporations did this -

    another nutcase conservative then fought against the conservative who tried to shut it down.
    A bribed and corrupted Tom Delay (corrupted by Jack Abramoff).

    And you think your conservative party is so perfect and works for you or even the middle classes or the upper middle classes and everyone else should just listen to you???

    Take your rose coloured glasses off. Its also populated by less than savoury people who work against whats best for most.

  145. true-lilly

    they will go violent, it has started…

    Thursday, 1 November 2007
    Elderly man killed for watering his lawn

    But I still can’t find the name of the 36 year old ‘man’ who
    beat and kicked 66 year old Ken Proctor to death,
    so it would be reasonable should one expect…

    Now, if you had to have a bet, which of the following would you put your money on?

    The 36-year old votes for:

    A) Greens
    B) Labor
    C) Coalition
    D) Other

    He is:

    A) University educated
    B) Trades educated
    C) High school educated
    D) Left school before the end of high school

    He works as:

    A) A public servant (including in education)
    B) The private sector
    C) An environmental organisation
    D) Is unemployed

    If you selected A, A & A then I reckon you’re on the money.

  146. Myrddin Seren

    they will go violent, it has started…

    Eco-terror threat sparks law review

    That headline is from the Fairfax love media BTW.

  147. Mk50 of Brisbane

    MAlice, I shall treat your post with teh respect its inchoate banality deserves.

    Like no right wing zombies ever abuse human rights do they?

    As both inhuman, undead and mythical, why do zombies have to accord to human rights? [Erm, you DO realise that zombies are not real, MAlice?]

    They are such wonderful people – you had better read this.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/

    The Communist News Network has a zombie report? Who knew, Comrade MAlice?

    It happened on US soils and not only that they forced abortions on womwn who became pregnant. And who fought to stop it – it was so disgraceful – a cabal of corporations did this -

    I do agree that corporate zombies might be a bad thing, I guess.

    another nutcase conservative then fought against the conservative who tried to shut it down.
    A bribed and corrupted Tom Delay (corrupted by Jack Abramoff).

    They are undead too?

    And you think your conservative party is so perfect and works for you or even the middle classes or the upper middle classes and everyone else should just listen to you???

    Dunno, why are you claiming this (I am not), and what does it has to do with your belief in the undead?

    [Oh, BTW, I am not a conservative, MAlice. I am an Imperialist.]

    Take your rose coloured glasses off.

    Naah, plain lenses only, dear.

    Its also populated by less than savoury people who work against whats best for most

    What, MAlice, you saying that you are a cannibal who prefers their manflesh savoury??

  148. Tintarella di Luna

    No true-lilly the man who killed Kevin Proctor was psychotic

  149. Mk50 of Brisbane

    MAlice announcing dinner

  150. The only example you will find is Francoist Spain and various South American states
    And the rest….

  151. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Then be my b*tch and list ‘em, then total up the dead they caused, race-baiter.

    It won’t come within a bull’s roar of just Maoism by itself.

  152. The main thing is to keep on talking in the hope we all arrive at an adequate understanding of climate science and its implications for public policy. We all have to make decisions on these questions.

    Some, and most here, are saying there is no problem, so it follows there is no need for risk management. The problem with that is that if nothing is done, then the consequences could be far worse than otherwise.

    Therefore, the standard of proof should be higher for the Contrarians than their opponents in debate. The process should at least be equal to that undergone by the IPCC. (And, of course, that is not going to happen.)

    I was pleased to see that overt violence was rejected, although I appreciate that is not the same as accepting nonviolence, which can be a very demanding practice.

    I suppose it just has to be accepted that people are going to be emotional from time to time. Of course, if the debate, was framed with reference to specific evidence, rather than emotional touchstones that would help. And that will not happen either, will it?

  153. Cold-Hands

    The killer of Ken Proctor, Todd Munter, pled guilty to manslaughter so was not psychotic, although he claimed to be heavily medicated for a work-related back injury. A very sad story with what seems an inadequate punishment.

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  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    “The problem with that is that if nothing is done, then the consequences could be far worse than otherwise.”

    Wmmbb – You realise the consequences of anti-CAGW policies are even worse, don’t you? We are already seeing deaths due to lack of heating and lack of airconditioning because poor people can’t afford electricity.

    We are seeing deaths, many many deaths, due to high food prices in Africa and Asia caused by malnutrition related disease. Because the biofuels policies take arable farmland away from food production, and directly by corn being burnt in American petrol tanks in form of ethanol.

    We are seeing literally millions upon millions of birds massacred by wind farms which save no CO2 because they have no energy storage and which cause backup power stations to run inefficiently.

    And this is not including all the jobs lost due to these policies, all the taxes not paid, all the health funding which cannot be supported. It goes on and on.

    If you take a equitable view of the relative costs you would be on Lomborg’s side, if you were a CAGW person. But no, the hypocrites prefer people to die rather than to admit they are misanthropic maniacs.

    And to boot its not happening anyway.

  156. Myrddin Seren

    The latest newsletter from the environmentalist group Earth First! Journal contains a curious topic — assassinations.

    Of course it’s neither legal nor moral, so the intellectually and morally superior wouldn’t contemplate murder, would they ?

    We are not calling for the assassinations of CEOs and lobbyists primarily because those assholes are disposable and replaced with relative ease. Whereas eco-revolutionaries like us are still far and few between, and someone getting popped on that sort of charge it could pull them out of the game for a long time. So instead, until the police state and prison industrial complex is weakened, thus leveling the battlefield a bit more, we propose a campaign of “prank assassinations.”

    Oh – unlike Al Qaeda, they don’t have a recruitment-and-training programme to keep the ranks filled. So their concern is merely logistical.

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  159. Dan

    Got a whole bunch of replies from the uni;

    Die Karl-Franzens-Universit�t Graz ist best�rzt und entsetzt �ber die Ansicht und distanziert sich davon klar und deutlich. Die Universit�t legt gr��ten Wert, dass die Wahrung aller Menschenrechte zu den obersten Prinzipien der Universit�t Graz geh�rt und menschenverachtende Aussagen mit aller Entschiedenheit zur�ckgewiesen werden. Die Universit�t weist zus�tzlich mit Nachdruck darauf hin, dass eine rein pers�nliche Ansicht, die nicht im Zusammenhang mit der wissenschaftlichen Arbeit steht, auf universit�ren Webseiten nicht toleriert wird.

    The University of Graz is shocked and appalled by the article und rejects its arguments entirely. The University places considerable importance on respecting all human rights and does not accept inhuman statements. Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.

    Helmut Konrad
    Dean, Faculty of Humanities and the Arts 

    Konrad, I would like to thank you for your clear and firm response on the matter. However, I note that while the ugly remarks originally made by Parncutt have since been removed, they have been replaced. The current commentary, while more subtle, nonetheless proposes that punishment be meted out to those who have a specific opinion on the science, and that the death penalty should at least be considered as part of the range of options.
    Parncutt’s statement in his preamble that he is against the death penalty hardly rings true in that context. Further, your policy, as articulated in your reply to me, reads:
    “Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.”
    Parncutt’s statement as it currently stands on your web site hardly meets that standard.
    As a consequence, I regard your reply and the steps you have publicly taken in dealing with this matter to be inadequate.
    Regards,
    David M. Hoffer

    In his latest statement, Parncutt distances himself from his earlier calls for the death penalty. He does not distance himself from his call to criminalize dissent.

    Dr Richard S.J. Tol MEA

  160. Dan

    Dr Konrad

    Thank you for the courtesy of the reply below. If I may be so bold as to quote him, I note that David M. Hoffer�s response covers many of the matters I found so disturbing:

    However, I note that while the ugly remarks originally made by Parncutt have since been removed, they have been replaced. The current commentary, while more subtle, nonetheless proposes that punishment be meted out to those who
    have a specific opinion on the science, and that the death penalty should at least be considered as part of the range of options. Parncutt’s statement in his preamble that he is against the death penalty hardly rings true in that context. Further, your policy, as articulated in your reply to me, reads:

    “Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.”

    Parncutt’s statement as it currently stands on your web site hardly meets that standard. As a consequence, I regard your reply and the steps you have publicly taken in dealing with this matter to be inadequate.

    My own major concern to the Rector was expressed as follows:

    Madame Rector, what disturbs and alarms me is the near-pure distillation of totalitarian ideology the Professor expresses in an article he has authored and publicised: Death Penalty for Global Warming Deniers? � described as:
    An objective argument�a conservative conclusion. Richard Parncutt : last updated 25 October 2012. The article is hardly objective, although it might have been considered as such by the editor of Pravda in a previous historical period. Professor Parncutt has since removed this expression of totalitarianism from his page, however, it is still available here:
    http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/prof-richard-parncutt-death-penalt
    y-for-global-warming-deniers/.

    The article is in public internet domain and now cannot be made to �go away�. Therefore it is now permanently associated with the University of Graz. I find this most unfortunate. While I concur with your expressions below relating to Professor Parncutt, I also must agree with Professor Tol. Professor Parncutt has withdrawn somewhat from his call for the execution of �anthropogenic global warming unbelievers� if I may compress his views in that manner, yet he has apparently not resiled from his belief in Soviet-style show trials for �anthropogenic global warming unbelievers�, their imprisonment, their exploitation as �forced labour� in his cause and in Professor Tol�s words the criminalization of dissenters to his own views.

    I believe that my original observation to the Rector stands, Professor Parncutt has exposed his personal belief in a totalitarian ideology and as I noted in my email to the Rector; �I suspect that the extreme and totalitarian views expressed by Professor Parncutt are seriously at odds with the ethos, morality and ethics of the University of Graz. By publishing these views under the name of your University, he has used the reputation of the University of Graz in a way which I cannot believe reflects your institutional values. Suffice to say that your University�s good name has
    most certainly not been aided by his extraordinary call for those who question anthropogenic global warming to be subject to Soviet and National Socialist era show-trials and then to be executed for their assessments and understanding of the phenomena.�

    At this stage I have to assess that Professor Parncutt is attempting to lay something of a smoke-screen. I have observed nothing to contradict my assessment that his personal beliefs are indeed totalitarian in nature. His
    claimed membership of Amnesty International is redolent of such a tactic and to be frank his call for show trials and executions hardly accords with their values. Amnesty tends to oppose such things.

    On a personal note, we Australians are not at all like Professor Parncutt and his article has caused revulsion here among those who are aware of it.

    However, I trust that the University of Graz will examine this matter fully and take such action as is appropriate.

    _____

    Die Karl-Franzens-Universit�t Graz ist best�rzt und entsetzt �ber die Ansicht und distanziert sich davon klar und deutlich. Die Universit�t legt gr��ten Wert, dass die Wahrung aller Menschenrechte zu den obersten Prinzipien der Universit�t Graz geh�rt und menschenverachtende Aussagen mit aller Entschiedenheit zur�ckgewiesen werden. Die Universit�t weist zus�tzlich mit Nachdruck darauf hin, dass eine rein pers�nliche Ansicht, die nicht im Zusammenhang mit der wissenschaftlichen Arbeit steht, auf universit�ren Webseiten nicht toleriert wird.

    The University of Graz is shocked and appalled by the article und rejects its arguments entirely. The University places considerable importance on respecting all human rights and does not accept inhuman statements. Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.

    Helmut Konrad

    Dean, Faculty of Humanities and the Arts 

  161. Dan

    Sorry for the big cut and paste Sinclair, the iPad is a bit tricky when it comes to editing.

  162. Dan

    One more to round it all up;

    Konrad, Since sending my email below it has been brought to my attention that the watered down version of Parncutt’s have also been replaced, now with a statement that he apologizes, rejects the death penalty, and is a member of Amnesty International. I fail to see what his membership in Amnesty International has to do with the matter. That he belongs to an organization that stands diametrically opposed to the very measures he advocated not once, but twice, on your web site hardly excuses him. I believe the expression “wolf in sheep’s clothing” may well be an apt descriptor, and Amnesty International ought to be embarrassed that they count among their membership one who abuses their cause by using them as a cloak to hide the sheep.
    I do thank both you and the University however for the steps you have taken in response to his egregious remarks.

  163. Dan

    Should I bother re-posting the other replies, edited this time?

  164. Dan

    Another present in my mailbox. However, the sarcasm makes me wonder if anybody here is responsible

    Dear Mr. Konrad,

    Despite Mr Parnhams apology , do you not think it is in order to allow the police to intervene and investigate this mans background at least? His comments were not only inciting people it could very well be criminal intent. I dont think I would want a man such as this in my employ , however, much of what he stated was borderline criminal at least.

    Repudiating his words is not enough at all, we must find out not only more about his background but find out who he associates with. Austria already has the distinction of being the birthplace of Adolph Hitler. I dont think you want to risk continued employment of the potentially criminally insane!

    Thomas (Omitted surname to protect the guilty)

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