Slip Sliding Away

Media Statement: Mr Peter Slipper MP summonsed in relation to AFP investigation

Release Date: Monday, January 07 2013, 03:21 PM

The AFP has today (7 January 2013) served the legal representative of Mr Peter Slipper MP with a summons in relation to three offences of Dishonestly Causing a Risk of a Loss to the Commonwealth pursuant to section 135.1(5) Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth).

Mr Slipper MP has been summonsed to appear in the Canberra Magistrates Court on 15 February 2013.

Could throw a cat among the pigeons.  If Slippery Pete is found guilty of criminal offences, he will have to resign from Parliament.

But I guess this sort of thing can be strung out by magistrates.

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126 Responses to Slip Sliding Away

  1. kae

    Woohoo.

    Just waiting for more announcements regarding charges…

  2. Gab

    This can’t be so! Monty, the Delphi Oracle, tells us Mr Slipper will return to the Speaker’s chair anon.

  3. Mark

    /popcorn

    Simply boooootiful

  4. kae

    … against other familiar parliamentary faces.

  5. Grey

    I don’t think a by-election will result (although the maximum penalty is five years prison, so on conviction he would have to resign even though I doubt very much a prison sentence would be imposed if there is no evidence of personal gain), but it would be very much in the interest of the ALP if there was a by-election.
    1. The numbers don’t matter now – none of the independents are going to jump so close to an election. Unless the Coalition swallows its pride and makes Oakeshott an offer.
    2. The ALP don’t expect to win Fischer anyway.
    3. A stand alone byelection would expose Mal Brough perfectly, giving him the sort of scrutiny he could avoid in a general election. The best opportunity for a dark horse independent to come through.

  6. Brett

    A Magistrate who owes their appointment to the People’s Democratic Republic of the ACT and its ALP ruling clique will surely find a way to ensure that this doesn’t inconvenience Gillard and the Federal ALP shysters. This is why they stack the judiciary; insurance.

  7. Borisgodunov

    ProbablyWinston,the “good old boys and capable wimmin” of the Liars Pardee must chooseone of their crooked apointees to cover this up , they have not yet finished Looting Australia!

  8. Cato the Elder

    (5) A person is guilty of an offence if:

    (a) the person dishonestly causes a loss, or dishonestly causes a risk of loss, to another person; and

    (b) the first-mentioned person knows or believes that the loss will occur or that there is a substantial risk of the loss occurring; and

    (c ) the other person is a Commonwealth entity.

    Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years.

    Hmm.

    The “knows or believes” requirement doesn’t open the door to a defence along the lines of “I’m really stoopid”, as it would be sufficient to show that a reasonable person in his position would have known or believed that there was a substantial risk of loss.

    However, even with that leg-up, these kinds of offences can be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So this could be quite easy for the DPP to lose; or quite hard for the DPP to win.

    On top of that, the Commonwealth DPP is, frankly, quite political; and not staffed by the best advocates in Australia. Someone could quite innocently (I am sure) appoint a complete loser to run this – none of the “good” ones will want to touch it for fear of tarnishing their reputation one way or the other.

    Still, I guess Slippery Pete is likely to lose both sleep and some money over it, so it’s not going to be a total loss.

    Too early to crow, let’s avoid a “Godwin Gresch” moment.

    Still popcorn time. :-)

  9. Keith

    But I guess this sort of thing can be strung out by magistrates.

    Especially ACT magistrates, who regularly lecture police prosecutors on the human rights of the perp in the dock.

  10. Andrew

    Surely something like this wouldn’t take so long in court?

  11. Sinclair Davidson

    The Australian and the Fairfax media are reporting this – but not the ABC (well, not yet).

  12. Cato the Elder

    Andrew

    Depends on the evidence.

    If this is about the cab-charges, then there will be heaps of paperwork, with each one to be proved by expert evidence. The hearing could go for weeks. Or at least the defence could say that it will go for weeks, as they don’t admit anything and want to put in their own experts (who will need months to consider the evidence and write their reports and so on).

    “Oh, you need four weeks for trial? So sorry, we don’t have a slot that big till August 2014″

  13. Grey

    Surely something like this wouldn’t take so long in court?

    The hearing, no, I guess it will depends when the substantive hearing is held – as I assume that is not the 15th Feb.

    BTW, if you are looking for skulduggery why not lay off the ACT magistrates and ask why it took so long for the charges to be formally laid.

  14. ar

    Beware the Ides of… February…

  15. ar

    Beware the Ides of… February…

  16. Cato the Elder

    Probably waiting for Sussex Street to give them the approved spin – keep up the defence, or throw him under the bus? I can imagine a cool Louis Renault impersonation:

    “I am shocked, shocked to think that Mr Slipper could have done such a thing!

  17. Mike of Marion

    Hearing will be set down for 13 January 2014!!!!

  18. Token

    I don’t think a by-election will result…

    No, Mr Mussell is going no-where.

    This will stretch out and link this fetid government with sleaze for the length of 2013.

    I trust Gillard will have to deliver another speech to attack a married man who has raised 3 successful and independent daughters in defense of the mysogynist.

  19. Cato the Elder

    ask why it took so long for the charges to be formally laid

    No skulduggery required; just an aversion to touching a matter with so many political overtones. This is a poisoned chalice for whoever runs it for the prosecution, win lose or draw.

  20. Sinclair Davidson

    ABC now reporting – a mere 20 minutes after everyone else and over 40 minutes after the Cat.

  21. candy

    I wonder if Slippy will still have his new overseas job Ms Gillard gave him late last year.

  22. Dishonestly Causing a Risk of a Loss to the Commonwealth

    Sounds like some authoritarian law to me. So should we set up re-education camps to go with it in the “Classical Liberal” sense?

  23. Keith

    I trust Gillard will have to deliver another speech to attack a married man who has raised 3 successful and independent daughters in defense of the mysogynist.

    That the matter is now sub judice won’t bother Gillard one bit. Roxon already has form with previous civil case where Slipper is concerned. Let Gillard defend someone who rips off the taxpayer. The script for the liberals election strategy is almost writing itself.

  24. Grey

    Are there any guidelines about when it gets so close to an election you don’t bother holding a by-election?

    It appears the Speaker issues the writs – although if I was the ALP if there was any chance of having a by-election, I would seize it

  25. Dan

    Sounds like some authoritarian law to me. So should we set up re-education camps to go with it in the “Classical Liberal” sense?

    What are you talking about? It is a charge used to cover situations, for example, where someone is alleged to have engaged in episodes of dishonest conduct where each event on its own would not be likely to result in a conviction. Everyone else is subject to equivalent laws.

  26. stackja

    Slipper will use his mussels.

  27. Grey

    What are you talking about? It is a charge used to cover situations, for example, where someone is alleged to have engaged in episodes of dishonest conduct where each event on its own would not be likely to result in a conviction. Everyone else is subject to equivalent laws.

    So if you worked for the Commonwealth Bank and you flashed around a few blank cab charges, what law do you get charged under?
    And why not charge Peter Slipper under that?

  28. .

    Grey

    Explain how Ashby will be charged for depriving Slipper of his liberty.

  29. Chistery

    I’m guessing his cabcharge expense to the court house will be much less than $900.

  30. Econocrat

    Quick, stack the ACT Magistrates Court…

  31. C.L.

    April 2012, ABC PM:

    ANTHONY ALBANESE: The charge isn’t whether Peter Slipper or any other Member of Parliament is unusual. The charge here is that Peter Slipper engaged in fraudulent conduct and handed over blank cab charges.

    What has shown by this documentation provided by the Department of Finance is that that allegation is not correct.

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3490689.htm

  32. .

    Maybe they can charge Tony Windsor for making false complaints against John Anderson and Sandy Mc Donald.

  33. C.L.

    No, they can’t, Dot – because dog Windsor has never repeated the Anderson allegation (which the AFP dismissed as a lie) outside of Parliament.

  34. Louis Hissink

    ABC now reporting – a mere 20 minutes after everyone else and over 40 minutes after the Cat.

    The Cat can’t be accused of cat-napping, that’s for sure…….

  35. Gab

    Quick, stack the ACT Magistrates Court…

    Too late.

  36. jupes

    Surely something like this wouldn’t take so long in court?

    Lol.

    Andrew, this is the 21st century, the age of computers and instant communication.

    Everything takes longer now.

  37. Grey

    Explain how Ashby will be charged for depriving Slipper of his liberty.

    Ehh?
    Slipper won’t go to jail over this.

  38. It is a charge used to cover situations, for example, where someone is alleged to have engaged in episodes of dishonest conduct where each event on its own would not be likely to result in a conviction.

    The favourite of the Authoritarian regime “to cover situations (anything)” like dissent. Not saying this applies to Slipper but he should be afforded a reasonable legal system.

  39. .

    That is what you claimed earlier. Defend your nonsense.

  40. Gab

    he should be afforded a reasonable legal system.

    yes, the best money can buy.

  41. Grey

    That is what you claimed earlier. Defend your nonsense.

    What nonsense?

  42. Toiling Mass

    It is also the age of the paperless office, so there will be boxes of documents aplenty.

  43. brc

    A stand alone byelection would expose Mal Brough perfectly, giving him the sort of scrutiny he could avoid in a general election. The best opportunity for a dark horse independent to come through.

    Clearly the author of this nonsense has not visited Fisher lately. Mal Brough will smash it in at least 5 points higher than Slipper did in 2010. He’s a popular local guy and his brother reads the local news on Ch 7. If he had a hand in despatching Slipper, his vote is likely to go up as a result.

  44. MDMConnell

    Poor old Malcolm Farr and Michelle Grattan will be working overtime tonight trying to think of how to spin it as disastrous news for Tony Abbott.

  45. Warwick Hughes

    Just wondering if anybody knows how the various possible scenarios could affect Mr Slippers super ?

  46. Skuter

    Slipper will use his mussels.

    Love it stackja.

    No doubt Albanese and Emerson will be out shortly to accuse the AFP and the Department of Finance and *cough* Deregulation of engaging in a conspiracy to bring down an elected government…bigger than watergate

  47. yes, the best money can buy.

    Gab you know that is definately not my thinking.

  48. Grey

    Clearly the author of this nonsense has not visited Fisher lately. Mal Brough will smash it in at least 5 points higher than Slipper did in 2010. He’s a popular local guy and his brother reads the local news on Ch 7. If he had a hand in despatching Slipper, his vote is likely to go up as a result.

    If you say so. Although I expect the people of Fisher have better taste than you give them credit for.

    But it won’t really worry the ALP, its a no risk play for them. By-elections are generally good for electing independents – especially when the party holding the seat is parachuting a candidate in covered with sleaze. Probably Brough would win, but a good independent might take him down.

  49. Gab

    Why not, Kelly? have you forgotten the $750,000 of taxpayers’ money spent on 16 lawyers and barristers defending Slipper?

  50. JC

    By-elections are generally good for electing independents

    Yep Greys… you’re a political genius. Indeps are particularly popular at the moment with Exhibit A&B being Oakeshsitt and the old lezzo, Tony Windosr. Those two are going to be reelected with overwhelming majorities for sure. Lol.

    Greys, stick to JFK conspiracy theories, as you;’re better at it.

  51. Grey

    JC – perhaps – although Andrew Wilkie and Tony Crook should be OK. But the ALP would be able to run a message under the radar: “Elect the independent and get rid of Brough and then get a decent LNP candidate at the General Election in a few months.” And remember, win or lose, the ALP get to rake over the whole Brough-Ashby story under full media spotlight again.

    All hypothetical, as I don’t think we will see a by-election.

  52. Why not, Kelly? have you forgotten the $750,000 of taxpayers’ money spent on 16 lawyers and barristers defending Slipper?

    Gab yep that is wrong too i am an eternal whinger who may never be happy.

  53. thefrollickingmole

    Ok Im a little confused about how the Slipper cab charge case, intersects with the unfair/dismissal/sexual harassment one just dismissed.

    Wast one of the grounds for dismissing Ashbys case the fact he brought up the cab charges to further harm Slippers reputation?

    If the Cab charge case gets up would that have any effect on the Ashby case?

    It all seems a little nest of worms as far as I can see.

  54. C.L.

    April 2012:

    Dr Emerson said today the allegations of criminality against Mr Slipper for misusing taxpayer funded dockets had become “absurd”.

    Mr Slipper, who is alleged to have signed several Cabcharge vouchers that were later filled out by a limousine driver, attempted to clear his name this week by releasing copies of 13 Cabcharge vouchers he said were signed and completed in his handwriting.

    Dr Emerson believes the dockets are authentic.

    “On the face of it, given that the allegation is that they were blank but signed, these are not blank, they are signed and they call into serious question the allegation of criminality against Mr Slipper,” he told ABC Radio.

  55. H B Bear

    The Legover Man will stand out in front of Parliament and say whatever Hamish McSporran tells him. He is shameless – as in unable to die of shame.

  56. H B Bear

    Gillard isn’t even back from holidays and has run out of clean air.

    Poor old John Faulkner and others trying to work out when to take this cluster-fuck of a government to an election.

  57. Borisgodunov

    The whole cotrived bougoise progressivist self serving aparat is beginning to unravel,after years of protection by All politicians of All parties ,cracks are appearing ,The People are Awayking from the Years Of Tugid Lies and BS ,the giLIARd mob have Ruined years of Work by the Bludging Class!! They should bevShot or Jaied or Summink!

  58. Leigh Lowe

    I feel a relapse of misogyny coming on ……

  59. Grey

    Wast one of the grounds for dismissing Ashbys case the fact he brought up the cab charges to further harm Slippers reputation?

    No, it was because he included the cab charges in his harassment case on the grounds they made he feel violated, this was seen as an abuse of process.

    However, if the DPP needs the testimony of James Ashby, being the person that saw the hand over of the blank cab charges, to make its case, that might open an interesting avenue for Slipper. He could argue that James Ashby’s testimony was suspect as he had entered into a conspiracy to damage him and then ask to subpoena a number of LNP worthies to the stand to explore this.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Um …. Grey.
    Please try to keep up.
    Politically, he doesn’t have to be given a jail term.
    If he is convicted of an offence WHICH CARRIES A MAXIMUM TERM GREATER THAN 12 MONTHS (which this does) he is ineligible to sit in Parliament.
    He doesn’t have to actually do time.
    Although that would be nice for me …. and possibly Slippery as well ( I understand there are no doors on the showers at Goulburn, which Slippery prefers)

  61. candy

    It’s the cab charges he used around Kings Cross etc around midnight and early the next morning that are troublesome. They may be legally signed but it appears dubious they were for political meetings.

  62. thefrollickingmole

    Grey

    Im unfamiliar with how the Ashby case included the cabcharge allegations.
    But if they are proven as true in court (still to be determined) wouldnt that make Ashby more a whistleblower than “process abuser”?

  63. Grey

    Politically, he doesn’t have to be given a jail term.

    Can I refer you to my first comment:
    “although the maximum penalty is five years prison, so on conviction he would have to resign; even though I doubt very much a prison sentence would be imposed if there is no evidence of personal gain” [semi colon added to break up the text]
    Do try to keep up.

    Candy, isn’t investigating the working conditions of late night King’s Cross the sort of work we expect our politicians to be doing? Seeking out the marginalised and the exploited and providing them succor?

  64. Myrrdin Seren

    It’s the cab charges he used around Kings Cross etc around midnight and early the next morning that are troublesome. They may be legally signed but it appears dubious they were for political meetings.

    candy

    Slippery was probably doing some private polling

    ( boom tish )

  65. Grey

    Im unfamiliar with how the Ashby case included the cabcharge allegations.
    But if they are proven as true in court (still to be determined) wouldnt that make Ashby more a whistleblower than “process abuser”?

    No, because the harassment proceedings was not the right forum to introduce it.
    If he wanted to whistle-blow he could go to the AFP (which he did) or the relevant Commonwealth department that overseas such matters or some kind of Commissioner or Ombudsman that provides a watch-dog service in Government, or even the newspapers.

    Justice Rares made no ruling on the cab charges or on the sexual harassment, he said the 2nd might be true, although he saw no evidence of suffering on the part of Ashby. He just said that way they had been raised was an abuse of process.

    The Rares decision won’t be over-turned on appeal and the cab charges won’t matter unless an appeal court finds good grounds to find that this matter caused Ashby deep pain and suffering.

  66. Pedro the Ignorant

    I will bet good money that this will be adjourned for months and months, will cost Slipper (or his backers) a gazillion dollars in lawyers fees, and will end up going nowhere.

    “Animal Farm” anyone?

  67. Doubting Thomas

    And where better to find a politically sympathetic magistrate than Canberra.

  68. Borisgodunov

    Every bastard in “politics ” in Australia is in someway ,complicit in deceit and corruptionin some way,”a la guillotine Citoyens! Mort aux les exploituers”

  69. I will bet good money that this will be adjourned for months and months, will cost Slipper (or his backers) a gazillion dollars in lawyers fees, and will end up going nowhere.

    Pedro
    You fill me with excitement about where my tax dollars go in the near future.

  70. Farmer Gez

    Lovely stuff folks. We must always remember, Gillard and Albo made this guy Speaker.
    Whatever his failings, the biggest crime against democracy was the craven political scheme hatched by those two to shore up pokie votes in the Western suburbs.
    Nothing Slipper may have done is quite as low as that act.

  71. Steve of Glasshouse

    Oi Grey..I reside in the seat of Fisher. The mood on the streets here is white hot anger against the Federal ALP. Mal Brough will win the seat. As for independents..good luck with that

  72. Judith Sloan

    Here is a thought: would Slipper have encountered all these legal problems had he not stupidly accepted the position of Speaker?

    And, Grey, the Rares striking out of the Ashby matter in relation to alleged sexual harrasment has nothing to do with the AFP laying these charges.

  73. Grey

    And, Grey, the Rares striking out of the Ashby matter in relation to alleged sexual harrasment has nothing to do with the AFP laying these charges.

    No of course, someone was just asking if it would make a difference to Ashby’s appeal.

  74. Mother G

    As the claims are to be heard in the ACT I would not expect any conviction. Here you can get off anything if your mother did not understand you. This Labor government appointed a Magistrate to head the bushfire inquiry then tried to sack her and appealed against her rulings. Slipper will be out before breakfast.

  75. Tiny Dancer

    I doubt that the prosecution would need Ashby to run a case. As they have the cabcharge documents I wonder if Slipper gave the police any explanation?

    I doubt that Slipper would have done an interview with police and without explanation I reckon it comes down to whether on the facts they can establish a case of fraud.

    If they can, Slipper will be piss funny trying to explain his adventures without the protection of parliament.

  76. .

    I know that you’re a slimy, dishonest turd Grey but you really are taking the piss now, when you first rolled up here with your “soporific charm” (you fucking wanker), you made out that you were legally trained and competent.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

    COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT – SECT 44

    Disqualification
    Any person who:

    (ii) is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer….shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

    He only needs to be found guilty of the offence to be turfed from Parliament you stupid twat.

    DO PLEASE TRY TO KEEP UP, YOU SOPORIFIC WANKER…

  77. Leigh Lowe

    I doubt very much a prison sentence would be imposed if there is no evidence of personal gain

    Grey, you buffoon.
    Personal gain has got nothing to do with fraud. If the defrauded party has suffered loss, then that is sufficient. By your logic (if we can call it that) if I defraud my employer of $100k and lose the lot on the first at Flemington, then there is no crime because I have not generated a gain.
    Now, let’s get down to tin-tacks here. It may be alleged that something like this happened …..
    Mr X takes a $50 cab ride.
    Mr X then fills out a voucher for a much higher amount, say $300, or leaves it blank.
    The cab driver gives Mr X a free ride and, say, $150 back in cash.
    Every one is a winner, except of course, the provider of the voucher.
    This scam was reported by the NSW Auditor General some years ago in making the case for electronic taxi billing.
    One of the last Federal MPs to keep using paper dockets long after electronic billing was introduced was the Member for Fisher.
    I believe he had dastardly bad luck with malfunctioning cards, card readers and PoS billing machines.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    The Rares decision won’t be over-turned on appeal and the cab charges won’t matter unless an appeal court finds good grounds to find that this matter caused Ashby deep pain and suffering.

    Just wondering Grey.
    Is your obtuseness genuine or feigned?
    If the former, then deepest sympathies, because you are a moron.
    If the latter, then deepest sympathies, because you are a trolling moron.
    The question of Cabcharge vouchers can be ruled as in admissible or even an abuse of process in the sexual harassment case AND still be a matter which Slippery could go down for in a separate fraud case.
    The Rares decision has zero to do with the Cabcharge fraud matter. Rares simply said it was irrelevant to the harassment matter.

    Are you capable of harbouring two thoughts simultaneously?

  79. Leigh Lowe

    That “masterstroke” to affirm your leadership by appointing Slippery to he chair.
    How is that working out for you lardarse?

  80. .

    The Rares decision has zero to do with the Cabcharge fraud matter. Rares simply said it was irrelevant to the harassment matter.

    No, Rares can mandate certain evidence is inadmissable in all future judicial proceedings.

    He is that great a jurist, the full bench of the Federal Court clearly and often agrees to his analytical mind, powers of deduction and deterministic prowess.

  81. Honesty

    This is not the cab charges. It the use of a comcar outside boundaries the ACT I think, and the $900 trip. He will plead it was not a well known rule and a reasonable person would not know. And thus with a ALP friendly bumbling prosecutor will get off. But hay being charged is still a win for the decent folk and dirtys Gillard.

  82. jumpnmcar

    It’s days like these that I wish LP was still going.

  83. Tiny Dancer

    Rares can’t rule on the admisibility of the cab charge evidence in any fraud trial. That’s up to the magistrate or judge hearing the cab fraud charges.

  84. Dr Faustus

    Dishonestly Causing a Risk of a Loss to the Commonwealth

    Sounds like a charge that has an exceptionally wide application in this parliament.

  85. Up The Workers!

    If Ricola Noxious tries really hard, I bet she can make all the incriminating documentation magically “disappear” once again, just like she helped all the other documents relating to the Gillard/Wilson Gang “disappear”.

    Just as well the A.L.P. are in control, or otherwise people might get the impression that the joint is being run by liars, crooks and criminals.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    Correct Tiny.
    All Rares has said is that the Cabcharge matter was irrelevant to the sexual harassment matter, even going so far as to say it was an abuse to raise it.
    However, of itself, the fraud matter can be heard separately on its merits.

    Ruling irrelevancies in one case as “never to be heard again” could present a nice little legal tactic.
    Imagine person A is a prime suspect in a rape and conspires with person B to bring a minor civil case against person A involving say, negligence, or wrongful dismissal.
    On cue, Person B raises the rape accusation during the civil matter and manages to have it struck out for ever.
    I don’t think so.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    Here is a thought: would Slipper have encountered all these legal problems had he not stupidly accepted the position of Speaker?

    What are you doing Judith, applying logic to Slippery’s actions?
    He was always going to take the chair, for four reasons:-
    (1) Ego;
    (2) A sense of entitlement, having been passed over for so long in favour of people who were …. well ….. capable and diligent;
    (3) the status and pomp which were trappings of the Speaker’s office, along with the travel;
    (4) the costumes

  88. Grey

    you made out that you were legally trained and competent.

    Mentally competent but not legally trained. I said I was a janitor, iirc.

    Why do so many people here try and put words in my mouth?

  89. Grey

    Putting on my Coalition strategist hat, this is how this could play out for the benefit of the Coalition.

    ALP tries the push their candidate or an independent as per expected in the by-election. The Queensland LNP hangs Brough out to dry – perhaps through Mark McArdle saying he wants the public record clarified or something – knowing they can win the seat back at the General.

    The ALP predictably crow about Tony Abbott’s judgement, the Liberal party use it as excuse for a leadership coup and reinstate Malcolm Turnball. With Malcolm Turnball back at the helm, signalling he will only moderate but not abolish carbon pricing, business is happy, Fairfax and the ABC are delirious and he goes on to sweep the inner city electorates winning seats never before held by the Coalition. He holds office for 4 terms before resigning to Wyatt Roy who is promptly defeated by a new Green Social Democrat party lead by Sarah Hanson-Young and her deputy Graham Perrett.

    In recognition of the useful but self-damaging work Tony Abbott had done in his relentless opposition, Malcolm Turnball offers him a plum post as the newly created ambassadorship to Kazakhstan. There is lots of oil and gas development going on there, so we need an ambassador and Abbott will love it – it is very flat so he can work on his cycling. Someone should just tell him that if a policeman asks to see his passport he probably won’t hand it back unless you give a hundred dollars.

  90. brc

    The Queensland LNP hangs Brough out to dry

    Idiotic. Brough will win the seat with a record margin, no matter when the election is held.

    signalling he will only moderate but not abolish carbon pricing,

    Any coalition leader proposing hanging onto carbon tax is dead in the water.

    Back to your coven, witch-boy, nobody wants to read this leftist fantasy crap.

    Why do so many people here try and put words in my mouth?

    Because any words inserted by commenters here would be infinitely higher quality than the ones you come up with yourself.

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Why do so many people here try and put words in my mouth?

    That would seem to be impossible as it would appear from your ramblings that your mouth is fully occupied with a family size hydroponic joint.
    I am guessing it is your fifth for the day and, judging by the delusional tone of your diatribes, you have been at it since at least 1995 on a daily basis.

  92. Leigh Lowe

    So, you were a janitor, Grey?
    Did you need intensive mop re-training every day after smoko by any chance?

  93. Grey

    So, you were a janitor, Grey?

    So I learned here.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    From the Daily Telegraph report of the court document lodged in the matter of the Journeys of The Member for Fisher

    The document alleges that Mr Slipper had been told in writing on at least three occasions that Cabcharge voucher books were being withdrawn, as they posed “accountability and administrative problems”, and that he was to use the electronic system.

    This supports what I was postulating yesterday that this is no mere sloppy accounting or failure to keep proper records.
    It is alleged that Slippery deliberately kept using paper vouchers long after the introduction of the electronic system to avoid the level of scrutiny afforded by the electronic system.
    What is instructive about these documents lodged to today is that the case does not revolve around what is recorded on the vouchers.
    This implies to me that the AFP have at least one witness, probably a driver.

    The most prescient statement of this term of parliament was from Tony Abbott on the night Slippery turncoated on his electorate …. “He (Slipper) is her (Gillard’s) man now. She must answer for him”

  95. Alfonso

    Settle down, the Slip is not a factor, the right Magistrate making deliberate mistakes or an appeal will time line him past due date for election….what is it, Nov?

  96. Grey

    Yes, it appears he was visiting wineries – and doesn’t involve Ashby either.
    It was behavior before Tony Abbott was acting as best man at his wedding.

  97. Grey

    Actually it was behavior before the Coalition pre-selected him (again) for Fisher – early 2010.

    Settle down, the Slip is not a factor, the right Magistrate making deliberate mistakes or an appeal will time line him past due date for election….what is it, Nov?

    I don’t think an appeal will matter for the constitutional aspects. The timing of calling a by-election is at the discretion of the Speaker. I don’t know if there are laws or precedents of what happens in an election year.

  98. .

    Gillard has full faith in him too. Never forget.

  99. Tiny Dancer

    Slipper doesn’t matter. grey and his bong doesn’t matter.

    Gillard is a thing who will go down in history as having displayed poorer judgement than warney and FMD that’s saying something. And I apologise to warney for having used him to demonstrate what a truly disgraceful leader she is.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    Settle down, the Slip is not a factor, the right Magistrate making deliberate mistakes or an appeal will time line him past due date for election….what is it, Nov?

    Just to expand Alfonso, I don’t think it will change the Parliamentary balance whatever happens to Slippery.
    However, he will be an albatross around Gillard’s neck for the duration. In fact, it is better tactically for the Coalition if he hangs around. What I can’t figure out is why Albo, Emmo and co insist on clutching this albatross closer to their chest.
    Oh, and the desperate attempts to now paint him as Abbott’s problem will fail. In the eyes of the general public, Slippery is Gillard’s creature, as evidenced by her spirited rant in defence of him the day mussel-man was forced to resign.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t think an appeal will matter for the constitutional aspects. The timing of calling a by-election is at the discretion of the Speaker. I don’t know if there are laws or precedents of what happens in an election year.

    Understanding of the rules …. 10/10.
    Understanding of politics …. 2/10
    If Anna Berk held off on calling a by-election (or would it be a bi-election in deference to Slippery), the opposition would have an absolute field day, accusing the Altona Droner of hiding from the electorate.
    The Droner, of course, would defend the decision on grounds of saving money, which would be the invitation for Pyne and Hockey to list the litany of lard-arse’s profligacy

  102. Grey

    If Anna Berk held off on calling a by-election (or would it be a bi-election in deference to Slippery), the opposition would have an absolute field day, accusing the Altona Droner of hiding from the electorate.

    Well as I said, I personally think it is in the ALP’s best interests to have a by-election in Fisher. So they can rake over the whole Brough/Ashby connection.

    Do you really think Mal Brough will want to fight one election in May and then another in October?

  103. candy

    Hey Grey
    What’s this thing about Mal Brough – it does seeem like he has had communications with j. Ashby but it’s in a private capacity. Sounds like you know something particular but … spill the beans.

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Do you really think Mal Brough will want to fight one election in May and then another in October?

    Yep …. Because he will romp it in on both occasions.
    Ask your mates in the PMO about the seat-by-seat polling in SEQ.
    It is diabolical for the ALP.
    The only ALP member not shitting through the eye of a needle is Kevin07, and I include Swan.
    Go ahead, ask Brough about Ashby ….. All the public will hear is “harassment ……. closet gay ………Gillard’s speaker”

    Fisher would be to Gillard what Little Big Horn was to Custer.

  105. wreckage

    Clearly the AFP is just trying to destabilise the government.

  106. Grey

    Sounds like you know something particular but … spill the beans.

    No, just that the account he and Ashby gave doesn’t have the ring of truth. A purely subjective feeling.

    He can’t really be the best person the LNP could put forward for Fisher. Character counts – on both sides of politics.

  107. JC

    No, just that the account he and Ashby gave doesn’t have the ring of truth. A purely subjective feeling.

    Of course you have. However what eggsactly is the crime here, Greys?

    I thought finkelstien is attempt to stifle free speech. I didn’t think leftwhiners fuckers also wanted to prevent freedom to associate too.

  108. Grey

    I didn’t think leftwhiners fuckers also wanted to prevent freedom to associate too.

    He can associate with whoever he wants. I just don’t think a person who twice has thought using political patronage to induce staffers to make lurid sexual accusations for his own political advantage is an acceptable politician.

    I have nothing against the guy who ran the Queensland LNP state campaign who also put his hand up for pre-selection. Why not choose the clean candidate?

  109. candy

    “A purely subjective feeling. ”

    Ok, I’m good with that, I’m always relying on subjective feelings but it’s handy to have some objectivity to back it up!

  110. Grey

    Ok, I’m good with that, I’m always relying on subjective feelings but it’s handy to have some objectivity to back it up!

    Of course just because I only have subjective feelings, it doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t have objective ones.

  111. JC

    Greys

    You’re losing the thread. Ashbey and Brough are supposed to have done something really bad together because they met or spoke over the phone. What did Brough do that is illegal or even outlandish? Where’s the powder here?

    Brough will win whatever day the election is held.

  112. Tiny Dancer

    Brough was an excellent minister. Thankfully he doesn’t listen to fuckwits (leftards).

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Why not choose the clean candidate?

    They have.
    Brough.
    Who is going to replace that lecherous serial taxi passenger, Slippery Pete.
    You see, Coalition pre-selections are based on logic, not the “subjective feelings” of ALP flunkies, or a Twitter campaign run by anaemic vegans, or the outmoded views of soon-to-be redundant Fewfacts journalists.

  114. Quentin George

    I just don’t think a person who twice has thought using political patronage to induce staffers to make lurid sexual accusations for his own political advantage is an acceptable politician.

    So you are claiming Slipper’s text messages were fabricated. o_0.

  115. Grey

    So you are claiming Slipper’s text messages were fabricated

    Quentin, we have been through this before.

    The moment Ashby got a slightly off-color message he ran straight to Mark McArdle – who by his own account gave him the brush off. Later “someone in the LNP” suggested he contact Julie Bishop – who by her own account gave him the brush off.

    Brough was nakedly shopping around the Coalition trying to find someone stupid enough or shameless enough to try and push this matter forward. No-one would touch it with a 10 foot pole so he was forced to do his own dirty work with Steve Lewis himself.

  116. Grey

    I am just waiting to see how he launches his leadership bid!

  117. Leigh Lowe

    Compare and contrast ….

    I just don’t think a person who twice has thought using political patronage to induce staffers to make lurid sexual accusations for his own political advantage is an acceptable politician.

    Or ……

    A young woman was troubled by unwanted sexual advances from her married boss and sought counsel from a mentor in her network. The mentor confirmed that she had every right to be upset, and encouraged her to seek legal advice. It later transpired that the alleged perpetrator had been sending her and others lurid text messages and making sexually suggestive remarks in the office setting

    Kind of depends how you spin it to suit doesn’t it?
    David Jones and it’s former CEO coughed up a shitload of cash for stuff which breached the law but paled in comparison to Slippery’s antics.

  118. Gab

    Yes but the sexually harassed in that case was a female.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    Yep Grey.
    It’s Tony.
    If he is not stealing Craig’s phone to order hookers, he is getting a hold of Slippery’s phone to send a grubby text to a staffer, or maybe order a large Aussie pizza with double egg to be sent by taxi from Albury to Canberra just for a lark.

    Fuckwit.

  120. Grey

    Hey, if you guys want someone like Brough on your team, in your caucus room and around the cabinet table, be my guest.
    I just would have thought LNP could find someone better, but maybe they can’t

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Ah Gab.
    Well spotted.
    The gender switch illustrates the point.
    There was a lot of talk that Ashby is old enough to stand up for himself.
    Imagine if the complainant had been a woman and the (alleged) perpetrator had been one of the Coalition front bench.

    Well, no difference really.
    We would have got McTurdman’s re-heated misogyny speech anyway, but it might just have been relevant in those revised circumstances.

  122. Gab

    Imagine if Ashby had been a young female Labor staffer, Leigh! Woohoo! Gillard would, of course, still blame Abbott in that scenario.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    The moment Ashby got a slightly off-color message …..

    The moment David Jones PR employee, Kristy Fraser-Kirk got a gentle brush of his hand against her forearm and a playful tweak of her bra-strap she was off to the lawyers with a $38 meg claim ready to go ……

    Hmmm … doesn’t scan so well particularly when you are beating the misogyny drum at every step.

  124. Leigh Lowe

    Imagine if Ashby had been a young female Labor staffer …….

    Give it ten years Gab.
    It could still happen.

  125. Tiny Dancer

    Stick to the bongs grey. In your case it makes you smarter.

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