Wednesday Forum: January 9, 2013

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  1. Helen Armstrong

    Sorry MHR not Senator

  2. Helen Armstrong

    Token, don’t you know that warmening causes coolening?

  3. Lazlo

    Caught out. The UK Met Office ‘adjusts’ not only its current predictions about the future, but also its past predictions.

    I’m sure David ’52C’ Jones of our own BoM would appreciate this ‘trick’.

  4. JC

    Australians now burn, on average, slightly more carbon per capita than the citizens of the United States,

    These people are truly pathetic.

    the amount of carbon emissions is dependent on the economic mix for one and of course the energy mix.

    The US uses nuclear whereas we don’t. The US has more hydro whereas we don’t.

    The US going forward will “burn” even less carbon because they now have loads and loads of gas which is for them at a more competitive price than coal.

    The simplicity of their observations is astounding.

  5. Helen Armstrong

    Melanie Phillips

    I think this is what is called a slam dunk. Barack Obama has now proposed filling the three positions in the US administration most concerned with the security of the nation and the defence of the free world, those at State, Defence and the CIA, by three men who have all taken up positions which can only strengthen those who threaten the security of America and the survival of the free world.

  6. C.L.

    Helen, Collins was leader of ALP in the NT in the 1980s.

  7. .

    A good review of Obama cheerleader, Lena Dunham’s TV show:

    Meanwhile, John Cook of Gawker described the show in a negative review as “a television program about the children of wealthy famous people and shitty music and Facebook and how hard it is to know who you are and Thought Catalog and sexually transmitted diseases and the exhaustion of ceaselessly dramatizing your own life while posing as someone who understands the fundamental emptiness and narcissism of that very self-dramatization.

    Ouch. Gawker is part of the same left leaning infotainment sites as jezebel.com.

  8. brc

    When are people in the UK going to stop thinking Australia is a big death bowl? I was on the phone last night with someone in the UK and they were concerned with my safety. About the only problem with fire I’m going to have is overcooking my steaks on the bbq. It’s a big country, and people from a little country can never absorb that completely.

    All that crap in those Guardian comments about ‘fires are the new normal’. Such emotive rubbish. Are these people just lefty warriors, or are they really that ignorant of well-documented history? I can understand English people swallowing the line that the country has burst into flames because of Global Warming, but apparently Australian readers tip in not to douse the speculation and brush the readers up on history, but to further whip up the frenzy.

    Bushfires happen regularly in Australia, always have, always will. The predominant native species is a fireball looking for a spark. The only defense is sensible planning policies and emergency services response.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    When are people in the UK going to stop thinking Australia is a big death bowl?

    I pray never. It’s the only thing keeping those filthy hunchbacked yobs from invading us en masse.

  10. Token

    Ouch. Gawker is part of the same left leaning infotainment sites as jezebel.com.

    Look upthread to my post 3:24pm 10/1. You’ll see this is what Gawker thinks is a responsible act:

    On Tuesday, the website Gawker sparked controversy when it published a 446-page list of all the licensed gun owners in New York City, initially labeling them “a**holes.” And on Wednesday, Fox News’ “The Five” turned the tables and aired the website founder’s phone number and email in retaliation.

    There is no way they could ensure that the names & addresses of law enforcement officials, stalking victims, etc were removed from that list…

  11. C.L.

    I was on the phone last night with someone in the UK and they were concerned with my safety.

    LOL.

    You’ve got more chance of being bombed by a ‘British’ Muslim than you have of being killed in an Australian bushfire.

  12. Sinclair Davidson

    My sister emailed to ask if we were okay given the fires and I had to explain how far they are away from me. Obviously the UK media has the entire continent on fire. The next time there is fire in France I’ll email her to find out if she’s okay :)

  13. C.L.

    Somebody asked me via telephone if I was OK during last year’s floods.

    I explained that we have hills in Australia.

  14. Tom

    Zombie commenter at The Drum:

    we have sooooo much to be proud of – thanks to Gillard and the Labour pary.

    Yes, yes we do. So proud.

  15. Helen Armstrong

    Ah Yes CL, Collins leader of ALP.

    I remember when Katherine River was a big flood back about 20 years ago and I had visitors coming from Oregon (I lived south of Alice then) and they asked was there any supplies they could bring, that we might be short of. They thought we were cut off by the Katherine Floods. Bless ‘em.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    More people died during the floods that ravaged Britain last year than died during our extreme catastrophic head to the beach week.

    I notice people were still playing cricket etc last week.

  17. .

    Noticed reading wiki how dishonest left wingers are (see the Reaganomics article).

    US payroll taxes are described as proportional whereas they are regressive.

    The increase in payroll tax paid is described as regressive (they assume it is proportional) as it shifted out of “progressive” taxation that had so many loopholes the top EMTR was basically non existent.

    Carter’s payroll tax hike raised the payroll tax liable by 45%. Of course, Reagan ought to have repealed this – look at when it starts collecting revenue – just before the 1982 recession.

    The left won’t admit this awful tax destroys jobs, or that in the US it is actually a regressive tax – all on its own.

  18. Tal

    I just double the margarita intake when it’s hot,very refreshing

  19. Gab

    This weather is great for drying the washing quickly.

  20. C.L.

    There is one Pom I’d like to invite to our Super Freaky Dooper Catastrophic summer to get all hot and bothered.

  21. Cold-Hands

    Strange- when I try to look at your Nigella link C.L., Chrome decides to download it for me.

  22. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t think so CL. Last Nigella was in Oz she wore an Islamic spacesuit to the beach.

    http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Picture-517-300×219.png

  23. dover_beach

    dot, that is a fair review of Dunham’s Girls. We tried watching the series over the last month but really couldn’t stomach it.

    Oh, BTW, thanks for the ‘Nigella talks dirty’ link, CL; I never tire of it.

  24. C.L.

    Last Nigella was in Oz she wore an Islamic spacesuit to the beach.

    No no. That’s good. I don’t want her to lose that beautiful pale skin.

  25. JC

    I just double the margarita intake when it’s hot,very refreshing

    with this song I hope tal…

  26. m0nty, if you’re out there somewhere looking for your pants, I think you left them upthread around about the 12:31am mark.

  27. JC

    Zombie commenter at The Drum:

    we have sooooo much to be proud of – thanks to Gillard and the Labour pary.

    I reckon it’s sarc.

  28. Tal

    Jesus Joe I haven’t heard that song in years :)

  29. Rudiau

    Sorry if this has been posted prior but i cannot find any reference to it in the MSM, wonder why that is?

    A real menace: Ohio gun owner shields son, shoots mugger

  30. .

    How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

  31. Sorry if this has been posted prior…

    Yes, but by the night-shift. It was probably past your bedtime ;)

  32. No actually, that was am and not pm. You have no excuse Rudi! lol

  33. Rudiau

    It was probably past your bedtime

    Yes. And believe me, I need all the beauty sleep I can get.

  34. Rudiau

    Doncha love technology.

    Iphone app emails any new photos back to the owner.

    Police are looking for the now photographed couple.

    Some people are really stupid, especially these two munters

  35. jumpnmcar

    Well NZ blogs are following the “Australian sexual abuse thing

    ( this bloke is no catholic )

  36. Dangph

    How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

    I can’t recall having seen it here for a long time. Do they still make it?

  37. .

    Did anyone watch that you tube thing?

    “Designed by athiests so you know it is safe with kids”

    Wow. The superiority complex and naivety of these people is mind blowing.

  38. John Mc

    How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

    I’ve never had it.

  39. Token

    Wow, was watching a vid about Milt and found this classic from the archive where he gets a question from a young Michael Moore.

    It proves how dopey Moore is and what the skinny kid looks like that that is trying to get out of that Michael Moore suit.

  40. jumpnmcar

    Dot, it’s satire, I had a giggle.

  41. Rudiau

    Military Drawing Up Plans for Nation-wide Gun Confiscations

    While there was initially some concern about the constitutionality of using the military on American soil, page 2131 of the ObamaCare Act actually amends the Posse Comitatus law to allow the military to disarm private citizens at the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security. Objections by then-CIA Director David Petraeus were quietly silenced in November

  42. Rabz

    the skinny kid looks like that that is trying to get out of that Michael Moore suit.

    Didn’t they have cheeseburgers back in the 1800s?

  43. Tom

    Gillard-McTernan lay another landmine for an Abbott Government:

    Julia Gillard today announced the terms of reference for the inquiry, to be led by senior NSW judge Peter McClellan, and which will be expected to provide an interim report by the end of June 2014. It is scheduled to wind up in December 2015.

  44. JC

    Tom

    The new government can screw around with the terms of reference anyway it pleases.

    If there’s a problem, then they can be sacked and a new inquiry started.

    In any event there’s going to be a lot of sackings in the first year, so I wouldn’t be too worried.

  45. johanna

    That’s right, Tom, and when asked how much it would cost (we’re talking six commissioners and hundreds of hangers-on, plus consultants, travel, etc etc) she just waved her hand and said effectively “whatever.”

    Oh, and in the Telegraph, Nicola Roxon has apologised for saying she could live on $35 a day, because some people might perceive it as insensitive.

    They truly live in fairyland.

  46. Rudiau

    How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

    I’ve never had it.

    Me neither.
    Been drinking Arvo 34 lately, prefer it over the 51.(scroll down)
    I get spoilt with one of these Darwin stubbies every now and then, excellent.

  47. jumpnmcar

    Tom, yes typical.
    I can’t remember any snakes that Howard placed in front of ALP.
    I can think of a few ladders.

  48. jumpnmcar

    Joanna, that’s Macklin.

  49. .

    What is the point of this royal commision?

    All of the recommendations have been done before.

    NOW THEREFORE We do, by these Our Letters Patent issued in Our name by Our Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia on the advice of the Federal Executive Council and under the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia, the Royal Commissions Act 1902 and every other enabling power, appoint you to be a Commission of inquiry, and require and authorise you, to inquire into institutional responses to allegations and incidents of child sexual abuse and related matters, and in particular, without limiting the scope of your inquiry, the following matters:
    what institutions and governments should do to better protect children against child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts in the future;
    what institutions and governments should do to achieve best practice in encouraging the reporting of, and responding to reports or information about, allegations, incidents or risks of child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts;
    what should be done to eliminate or reduce impediments that currently exist for responding appropriately to child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts, including addressing failures in, and impediments to, reporting, investigating and responding to allegations and incidents of abuse;
    what institutions and governments should do to address, or alleviate the impact of, past and future child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts, including, in particular, in ensuring justice for victims through the provision of redress by institutions, processes for referral for investigation and prosecution and support services.
    AND We direct you to make any recommendations arising out of your inquiry that you consider appropriate, including recommendations about any policy, legislative, administrative or structural reforms.
    AND, without limiting the scope of your inquiry or the scope of any recommendations arising out of your inquiry that you may consider appropriate, We direct you, for the purposes of your inquiry and recommendations, to have regard to the following matters:
    the experience of people directly or indirectly affected by child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts, and the provision of opportunities for them to share their experiences in appropriate ways while recognising that many of them will be severely traumatised or will have special support needs;
    the need to focus your inquiry and recommendations on systemic issues, recognising nevertheless that you will be informed by individual cases and may need to make referrals to appropriate authorities in individual cases;
    the adequacy and appropriateness of the responses by institutions, and their officials, to reports and information about allegations, incidents or risks of child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts;
    changes to laws, policies, practices and systems that have improved over time the ability of institutions and governments to better protect against and respond to child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts.
    AND We further declare that you are not required by these Our Letters Patent to inquire, or to continue to inquire, into a particular matter to the extent that you are satisfied that the matter has been, is being, or will be, sufficiently and appropriately dealt with by another inquiry or investigation or a criminal or civil proceeding.
    AND, without limiting the scope of your inquiry or the scope of any recommendations arising out of your inquiry that you may consider appropriate, We direct you, for the purposes of your inquiry and recommendations, to consider the following matters, and We authorise you to take (or refrain from taking) any action that you consider appropriate arising out of your consideration:
    the need to establish mechanisms to facilitate the timely communication of information, or the furnishing of evidence, documents or things, in accordance with section 6P of the Royal Commissions Act 1902 or any other relevant law, including, for example, for the purpose of enabling the timely investigation and prosecution of offences;
    the need to establish investigation units to support your inquiry;
    the need to ensure that evidence that may be received by you that identifies particular individuals as having been involved in child sexual abuse or related matters is dealt with in a way that does not prejudice current or future criminal or civil proceedings or other contemporaneous inquiries;
    the need to establish appropriate arrangements in relation to current and previous inquiries, in Australia and elsewhere, for evidence and information to be shared with you in ways consistent with relevant obligations so that the work of those inquiries, including, with any necessary consents, the testimony of witnesses, can be taken into account by you in a way that avoids unnecessary duplication, improves efficiency and avoids unnecessary trauma to witnesses;
    the need to ensure that institutions and other parties are given a sufficient opportunity to respond to requests and requirements for information, documents and things, including, for example, having regard to any need to obtain archived material.
    AND We appoint you, the Honourable Justice Peter David McClellan AM, to be the Chair of the Commission.
    AND We declare that you are a relevant Commission for the purposes of sections 4 and 5 of the Royal Commissions Act 1902.
    AND We declare that you are authorised to conduct your inquiry into any matter under these Our Letters Patent in combination with any inquiry into the same matter, or a matter related to that matter, that you are directed or authorised to conduct by any Commission, or under any order or appointment, made by any of Our Governors of the States or by the Government of any of Our Territories.
    AND We declare that in these Our Letters Patent:
    child means a child within the meaning of the Convention on the Rights of the Child of 20 November 1989.
    government means the Government of the Commonwealth or of a State or Territory, and includes any non-government institution that undertakes, or has undertaken, activities on behalf of a government.
    institution means any public or private body, agency, association, club, institution, organisation or other entity or group of entities of any kind (whether incorporated or unincorporated), and however described, and:
    includes, for example, an entity or group of entities (including an entity or group of entities that no longer exists) that provides, or has at any time provided, activities, facilities, programs or services of any kind that provide the means through which adults have contact with children, including through their families; and
    does not include the family.
    institutional context: child sexual abuse happens in an institutional context if, for example:
    it happens on premises of an institution, where activities of an institution take place, or in connection with the activities of an institution; or
    it is engaged in by an official of an institution in circumstances (including circumstances involving settings not directly controlled by the institution) where you consider that the institution has, or its activities have, created, facilitated, increased, or in any way contributed to, (whether by act or omission) the risk of child sexual abuse or the circumstances or conditions giving rise to that risk; or
    it happens in any other circumstances where you consider that an institution is, or should be treated as being, responsible for adults having contact with children.
    law means a law of the Commonwealth or of a State or Territory.
    official, of an institution, includes:
    any representative (however described) of the institution or a related entity; and
    any member, officer, employee, associate, contractor or volunteer (however described) of the institution or a related entity; and
    any person, or any member, officer, employee, associate, contractor or volunteer (however described) of a body or other entity, who provides services to, or for, the institution or a related entity; and
    any other person who you consider is, or should be treated as if the person were, an official of the institution.
    related matters means any unlawful or improper treatment of children that is, either generally or in any particular instance, connected or associated with child sexual abuse.
    AND We:
    require you to begin your inquiry as soon as practicable, and
    require you to make your inquiry as expeditiously as possible; and
    require you to submit to Our Governor-General:
    first and as soon as possible, and in any event not later than 30 June 2014 (or such later date as Our Prime Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, fix on your recommendation), an initial report of the results of your inquiry, the recommendations for early consideration you may consider appropriate to make in this initial report, and your recommendation for the date, not later than 31 December 2015, to be fixed for the submission of your final report; and
    then and as soon as possible, and in any event not later than the date Our Prime Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, fix on your recommendation, your final report of the results of your inquiry and your recommendations; and
    authorise you to submit to Our Governor-General any additional interim reports that you consider appropriate.
    IN WITNESS, We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent.

    Gillard couldn’t give a shit about kids.

    It’s a ruse bash Abbot, Catholics and shut down the idea of a Royal Commission into union corruption.

  50. .

    I see

    We direct you, for the purposes of your inquiry and recommendations, to consider the following matters, and We authorise you to take (or refrain from taking) any action that you consider appropriate arising out of your consideration:
    the need to establish mechanisms to facilitate the timely communication of information, or the furnishing of evidence, documents or things, in accordance with section 6P of the Royal Commissions Act 1902 or any other relevant law, including, for example, for the purpose of enabling the timely investigation and prosecution of offences;

    I still stand by what I said about Gillard. It’s about the last priority, the first terms of reference have been addressed by about 20 years of legislation and best practices.

  51. Myrrdin Seren

    As a kid who was ‘different’ and bullied in school himself, an interesting post from E.M. Smith

  52. jumpnmcar

    Heard Rudd on radio saying (my translation ) ” Well, there’s no surplus promise {Swan ya loser} now so how bout a pay rise for the dole bludgers {gillard ya cow}”

  53. Rabz

    Heard Rudd on radio saying (my translation ) ” Well, there’s no surplus promise {Swan ya loser} now so how bout a pay rise for the dole bludgers {gillard ya cow}”

    And on someone else’s money, ya suckers!

  54. Abu Chowdah

    It’s not Michael Moore…

    Holy cow! I never thought this video would get so many views. I uploaded it as a joke – this is not the real Michael Moore (although if you add some neckfat it would be hard to tell the difference). I meant “A Young Michael Moore” in the sense that a child who is great at basketball is a “Young Michael Jordan”. Nevertheless, I’m glad it stirred some debate in the comment section, it’s a great back and forth between Friedman and the kid, IMO. I thought the metaphor would be obvious, seeing as how the kid is a skinny redhead, while Michael Moore… well, isn’t a skinny redhead. I apologize for the confusion.

  55. JC

    This is just great. Piers Morgan the smug limey CNN anchor telling Americans what they should with their guns and bullying anyone who doesn’t agree with him gets destroyed by this kid, Ben Shapiro from Breitbart.

    The smugness begins to fade through the interview.

    http://www.therightscoop.com/masterful-breitbarts-ben-shapiro-torches-piers-morgan-and-his-straw-men/

  56. harrys on the boat

    being a “limey” I remember when Morgan was in charge at the Mirror when he published the fake british soldier pictures of Iraqi torture. The prick was out the door, and for some reason the yanks took him on?

    It wouldn’t be difficult to give Piers an intellectual hiding.

  57. johanna

    jump, thanks – Roxon, Macklin – it’s easy to mix them up.

    Reading the RC’s ToRs, what strikes me is that not only have they lumbered an incming government with tens of millions of dollars worth of costs for the Commission itself – they have explicitly asked for recommendations on compensation. It’s a poison pill for many Budgets to come.

    I wouldn’t want to be an Aboriginal kid in a remote community hoping for anything to change as a result of this loathsome grandstanding, though. Zero result there.

  58. dd

    from Myrdin’s link… right at the end.

    In short, the way to fix this is just to stop letting kids run the social order and stop running the schools the same way prisons are run. Make them a fun safe place to go explore the world and “people like me” will spend our time exploring the world (not figuring out how to ‘take out’ their abusers and not needing to be ‘drugged up’). IMHO vouchers and school choice would go a very long way along this path

    That’s the way to end school bullying, all right. Bring back some sense of discipline into schools. Don’t let the students run the place.

  59. John Mc

    JC, a good debate. It’s good to see someone defending the Second Amendment as intended by the Founders.

    He should have just finished by saying “You’re right! You don’t a Second Amendment in the UK because the place is fucked, a backwater that’s becoming more and more so by the day. You don’t have any rights worth defending anymore!”

  60. John H.

    In short, the way to fix this is just to stop letting kids run the social order and stop running the schools the same way prisons are run.

    Do prisoners run prisons? Discipline is not going to stop bullying because bullies are smart enough to know when to bully. Is there any data to indicate that bullying has increased in recent years or is this just more media manufactured?

    Bullying is not just about schools. We live in a verbally aggressive culture where denigrating people is acceptable behavior in some circles. Monkey see, monkey do. You wanna do something about bullying, set an example.

  61. JC

    John H

    I think there’s a good point there. American schools more so than our public schools are huge monstrosities which are run like prisons and feel like prisons.
    Choice would mean decentralization and obviously smaller schools.

  62. Gab

    These days, not including a kid in a game at play lunch is referred to as bullying.

  63. Rabz

    You wanna do something about bullying, set an example.

    Make your kiddies do a self defense course.

    Problem solved.

  64. Abu Chowdah

    Oh man, Piers got bitch slapped by Shapiro’s pimp hand!

  65. squawkbox

    Just when you thought Australia’s nanny-staters couldn’t get any more ridiculous…

    Lethal Russian lollies!

  66. John H.

    I think there’s a good point there. American schools more so than our public schools are huge monstrosities which are run like prisons and feel like prisons.
    Choice would mean decentralization and obviously smaller schools.

    JC,

    Zimbardo. If you make the place like a prison how do you think the inmates will act? If the USA has driven itself into a situation where the schools are like prisons then let it be on their own heads the idiots. Fme, there is even an argument that such an environment will detrimental to learning.

    This comes back to a point I was making on another forum about this issue. If you have to keep “reinforcing schools” against attacks you are creating an environment that is not conducive in bringing out the best in people.

    Make your kiddies do a self defense course.

    Nearly all bullying is verbal. If you strike a person for verbal insults it is “inappropriate” under the law. Fuck the law. But we can’t do that …. .

  67. kae

    About the 1 metre fire thing.

    I live in a rural residential area on 1.5 acres.

    If I wish to burn off and the “bonfire” is larger than 1m diameter or 1m height I must notify the local Bushfire Brigade and get permission and tell them when I’ll be burning off.

    If I don’t I can be fined thousands of dollars.

    Problem is where I live there are too many people who are clueless about rural living, about farm animal requirements (and regulations for the health and welfare of farm animals*), and fire.

    One idiot decided to burn off his 1.5 acre block years ago and we nearly lost a few houses, and my neighbours lost all their plants. Their grass wasn’t long as they mowed regularly but the ground fire was enough to set fire to their mulch and kill their trees.

    *1.5 acres is NOT enough for a couple of horses, a few head of cattle, cats and five dogs!

    (Why are Indians calling me about the federal solar rebate? I keep hanging up but they keep ringing. Interesting how they have names of famous Aussie cricketers!)

  68. Will

    It’s not Michael Moore…

    Holy cow! I never thought this video would get so many views. I uploaded it as a joke – this is not the real Michael Moore (although if you add some neckfat it would be hard to tell the difference). I meant “A Young Michael Moore” in the sense that a child who is great at basketball is a “Young Michael Jordan”. Nevertheless, I’m glad it stirred some debate in the comment section, it’s a great back and forth between Friedman and the kid, IMO. I thought the metaphor would be obvious, seeing as how the kid is a skinny redhead, while Michael Moore… well, isn’t a skinny redhead. I apologize for the confusion.

    Thanks for that Abu. Interesting discussion. The leftards appear to target Ford for releasing onto the market a cheap car, a car that didn’t have the safety level of more expensive vehicles. It is assumed by the leftard that, as Ford is a multinational corporation, it is evil and did this for the purpose of killing people. This was from ‘Mother Jones”, that as evidence of evil cited the expectation from Ford that it would incur $x millions in liability suits. This forgets that, in the insane US Tort system, all new products (and old products too) are subject to litigation for any perceived injury.

    The Ford model was cheap (was it the Pinto?) and sold cheaply. It was meeting a market need for cheap cars. The design and or fuel tank components were not of a high standard, and they tended to burst into flames on impact in an accident. Ford was held liable for substantial damages for bothering to meet a market need for cheap small cars.

    Now they import them, I believe.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Just when you thought Australia’s nanny-staters couldn’t get any more ridiculous…

    God I hate this country.

    Notice how the complainants are always anonymous lobby groups?

  70. kae

    Getting an error when I try to post a comment. Grr.

    A matter of concern is that the regular burn offs which occur in winter on the range below Toowoomba have not happened for the past two years.

    With all the rain before and after the floods of 10-12 January 2011 the fuel load is huge and the threat is there.

    I haven’t noticed the annoying smoke for the past two years. I have seen fires up on the range in December and there’s been a bit of smoke around.

    There have been electrical storms here at night for the past two days, no rain to speak of, but spectacular displays.

  71. nic

    I can’t speak for Steve of course,

    Just fart, same thing.

  72. Helen Armstrong

    Stay safe Kae.

  73. steve from brisbane

    JC and Abu convinced that a smirking, libertarian kid talking up the old paranoia defence of the second amendment, but who didn’t know Ronald Reagan supported getting assault rifles, “destroyed” Morgan? What a joke. Put down your ideology goggles and watch it again.

    Ironically, for a kid crapping on about possible future tyrannical government, his youthful serious earnestness sure made him look like the one susceptible to being convinced by a leader to do something stupid in defence of ideology.

  74. squawkbox

    Notice how the complainants are always anonymous lobby groups?

    I strongly suspect that the Parents Jury of Australia, the Cancer Council Australia, Diabetes Australia and The Australian and NZ Obesity Society, are all the same organisation with the same membership – one man, a fax machine and several different letterheads.

  75. steve from brisbane

    Sorry: “Reagan supported getting assault rifles out of public hands…”

  76. .

    JC and Abu convinced that a smirking, libertarian kid talking up the old paranoia defence of the second amendment, but who didn’t know Ronald Reagan supported getting assault rifles, “destroyed” Morgan? What a joke. Put down your ideology goggles and watch it again.

    I have and you are wrong.

    You’ve admitted as much previously that there is no proof that gun regulation works, it just makes you feel good.

    On the same basis, I could demand legislation that Joanna Krupa must be my mistress, but it would be just as banal and asinine.

  77. Rabz

    The Ford model was cheap (was it the Pinto?)

    t’was indeed the pinto.

    ford also sold another legendary car, the edsel, which had a grille that resembled a bleep.

  78. jumpnmcar

    I hope 4 corners does a show with footage of Australian livestock ( tens of thousands of em ) being burnt to death due to the greens anti-burn off laws.
    Meanwhile farmers are doing what they always do, help thy neighbour and his animals.
    Greens help? = zero.

  79. .

    Zimbardo. If you make the place like a prison how do you think the inmates will act? If the USA has driven itself into a situation where the schools are like prisons then let it be on their own heads the idiots. Fme, there is even an argument that such an environment will detrimental to learning.

    Correct. US schooling is stuck in the 1950s. Reform from an economists point of view will only go so far.

    Nearly all bullying is verbal. If you strike a person for verbal insults it is “inappropriate” under the law. Fuck the law. But we can’t do that ….

    That’s why it is good kids play sport. You’re all equal wielding a hockey stick.

  80. steve from brisbane

    You’ve admitted as much previously that there is no proof that gun regulation works, it just makes you feel good.

    Well, nothing other than how many years without a mass shooting in Australia since 1996.

    The libertarian Right, truly, has no common sense at the moment.

  81. Rabz

    I strongly suspect that the Parents Jury of Australia, the Cancer Council Australia, Diabetes Australia and The Australian and NZ Obesity Society, are all the same organisation with the same membership – one man, a fax machine and several different letterheads.

    You forgot the “Australian Pedestrian Council“, the original ‘one man and a fax machine’ outfit.

  82. Louis Hissink

    Kae

    I was told that the ground combustibles in SE NSW was up to 8 tonnes per hectare and considered waay too dangerous. This was a couple of years ago so the lack of hazard management is seeing the fire-chookies coming home to roost.

    A class action against the greens and their fellow travellers would be nice if it could be arranged – a certain firm of ambulance chasers springs to mind.

  83. jumpnmcar

    And there is the proof that Shapiro smashed Piers right there at 8;05pm.

    I watched it and now I realise I want need a gun.

  84. Louis Hissink

    The libertarian Right, truly, has no common sense at the moment

    Apart from an oxymoron, we have no common sense, because we are quite uncommon.

    It isn’t the guns that are the problem SOB, it’s the rejection of individual rights that is. The support of human rights is an outright rejection of individual rights, and only brain dead lefties could come up with such a stupid concept.

    The US public education system generates people who believe in human rights, not individual rights.

  85. .

    Well, nothing other than how many years without a mass shooting in Australia since 1996.

    The clayton campus shooting was foiled by an economics lecturer.

    Do we need more economics grads?

    There has been other mass murders, like Childers. The method simply changes. Mc Veigh wouldn’t have cared if he couldn’t have accessed firearms for example (Robert Long certainly didn’t at Childers), neither did the underworld murderers in Melbourne – and most of them were ineligible for a gun licence.

    Why din’t gun laws stop them?

    Gun laws are simply part of an overall package to dominate and humiliate the political opponents of urbanised US liberals.

    That is it. No more, no less.

    US Senators Boxer, Feinstein and Kennedy however were/are massive flapping hypocrites on the issue of gun control.

  86. Lazlo

    Threads are getting knotted, so am repeating it here, because it is important…

    David O’Byrne, Tasmanian Government minister just on Their ABC News saying that 80% of the land affected is privately owned. So hazard reduction was their responsibility, nothing to do with the government.

    Meanwhile, from a Dunalley farmer: “But what’s the point of that now when the hills and trees they told me I couldn’t burn off, because there were protected eagles and swift parrots there, are now all burned and the fire it created was so hot we had dead swans dropping out of the sky?”

    Blame the victim. Greenfilth scum, just scum…

  87. Louis Hissink

    For those with minds that are still open to evidence, Beckie notes that the media have been ignoring other school massacres by guns in the world.

    Earlier this month, Islamist terrorists in Syria killed 28 students and their teacher at school.
    Did anybody notice? Of course not. If it happened in the Middle East but Israel isn’t involved, it’s not news. If it involved an attack on a school but American culture can’t be blamed, it’s not news.
    >Don’t even get me started on school attacks in China.

    Since the recent spate of attacks, many parents are now worried about their children’s safety in schools and have since asked local officials and school governors to step up security at the schools. The education ministry has formed an emergency panel to tackle the violence and some local police authorities have distributed such instruments as steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools.

    Only if its a right-winger or the US does it get media coverage; otherwise zip, nada.

  88. Louis Hissink

    Lazlo, got a link to that quote ? I have a Henry article looming and it’s on topic.

    Thanks – LH

  89. jumpnmcar

    Wasn’t there a bloke that did clear his land around his house and it was one of the only ones left unburnt, couple years back, only to be fined thousands of dollars for breaking tree clearing laws?

  90. Skuter

    Lazlo, these pricks are evil, plain and simple.

  91. .

    Here, jump

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_did_green_faith_turn_a_fire_into_an_inferno/

    But it also includes the new green movement, which before Black Saturday had grown so strong in the politics of the councils in our most fire-prone areas that Nillumbik Shire even fined people for clearing trees from their homes or for removing dead wood.

    Indeed, counsel assisting the royal commission, Jack Rush, QC, this week suggested that since 1981 no fuel reduction burns had been done within 3km to 5km of Kinglake, where 42 people died last year.

    Or consider Mitchell Shire Council, which before Black Saturday forced one ratepayer to pay $100,000 in fines and costs for clearing his own fire break.

    Or the Shire of Yarra Ranges, which back then openly said it had “not undertaken prescribed burning on public land under its control for a number of years” because of “liability issues” and a lack of staff, but then tut-tutted that these burns were no magic bullet, anyway, and we should worry about “interfering with this natural regime”.

  92. Lazlo

    You mean the O’Byrne quote LH? Will search for it. But it should appear on an ABC 7pm News transcript some time soon (maybe)..

  93. .

    More here

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_those_warning_we_failed_to_heed/

    How many times have Victorian governments ignored such warnings, letting the fuel in our forests mount to these lethal levels?

    Well, ask the federal Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, which in 2007 wrote to yet another inquiry into bushfires to suggest that rather than ask for more advice, Victoria should just act on the advice it had been given already.

    “DAFF would also like to draw the attention of the Inquiry to the outcomes of the national inquiries held after the 2003 fires . . .

    “There is concern that some of the recommendations from the national inquiries have not been implemented by land management agencies.”

    In particular, “prescribed burning (in Victoria) has been reducing in recent years”.

    But by then we were already so mad with tree worship that one of the shires worst hit by the fires this past week boasted that “the Shire of Yarra Ranges has not undertaken prescribed burning on public land under its control for a number of years”.

    Bizarrely, Mitchell Shire Council even made a ratepayer, Liam Sheahan, pay $100,000 in fines and costs for clearing his own fire break, which last weekend saved his Reedy Creek home from the fire storm which destroyed many houses around it.

    And Nillumbik Shire, which contains Kinglake, last year warned ratepayers it had just fined two people for clearing trees from around their own homes, and another for simply picking up dead wood from the roadside.

    “Nillumbik values its large tree canopies, they are major contributors to the landscape and character of our shire, and provide a familiar habitat for our precious wildlife,” the mayor wrote.

  94. Eddystone

    JC, Ben Shapiro made Piers Morgan look second rate, and Piers didn’t like it at all.

    I liked the faked indignation about standing on the graves of the children of Sandy Hook.That’s exactly what Piers Morgan has been doing, and for the purpose of increasing ratings, IMO.

  95. Louis Hissink

    Lazlo,

    Oh, OK – just that since you “quoted” it I assumed you had a link or similar.’

    ABC 7PM news you say? I’ll wait for it to appear then.

    Thanks

  96. .

    Just to be fair and balanced, here is the story from the Silly Moaning Hilmer

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html

    They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained.
    But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break — an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised — they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing.
    The Sheahans’ 2004 court battle with the Mitchell Shire Council for illegally clearing trees to guard against fire, as well as their decision to stay at home and battle the weekend blaze, encapsulate two of the biggest issues arising from the bushfire tragedy.

    SNIP

    The family of four had discussed evacuation but decided their property was defensible, due largely to their decision to clear a fire break. It also helped that Mr Sheahan, his son Rowan and daughter Kirsten were all experienced members of the local CFA.
    “We prayed and we worked bloody hard. Our house was lit up eight times by the fire as the front passed,” Mr Sheahan said. “The elements off our TV antenna melted. We lost a Land Rover, two Subarus, a truck and trailer and two sheds.”
    Mr Sheahan is still angry about his prosecution, which cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees. The council’s planning laws allow trees to be cleared only when they are within six metres of a house. Mr Sheahan cleared trees up to 100 metres away from his house.
    “The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We’ve got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247,” he said.

  97. Louis Hissink

    I watched the Piers Morgan/Alex Jones interview yesterday – magnificent! Jonesy took no prisoners.

  98. jumpnmcar

    That’s im, thanks dot.
    My loathing for the greens grows by the day.

  99. JC

    Stepford.

    You seem to be obsessed with banning semi automatics. You do realize that hand guns are semis too, right?

  100. .

    Question for brigade firefighters and rural firefighters:

    Let’s say I own a 4 bdr tin roof home on a few acres. Or a few hundred.

    How far would you recommend a firebreak for?

    50 metres? 100 metres?

    How would you built a windbreak? Would you recommend the 100 m to be of lush, mowed lawns and other non woody type greenery?

    This says as big as possible, but at least 20 metres.

    http://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/safetyinformation/fire/bushfire/BushfireManualsandGuides/FESA_Bushfire-Homeowners_Survival_Manual.pdf

  101. blogstrop

    Pay no attention to SfB; he is of diminished responsibility.

  102. JC

    Louis

    Are you feeling okay? Alex Jones is a fucking lunatic.
    He thinks the US government did 911.

  103. .

    I see they recommend you build a brick, masonry or earthen wall as a heat shield.

    The WA Fire Service document is the best that civilians can access. Well worth a read, I reckon.

  104. blogstrop

    Dot, I would say ember attack depends on wind conditions and the fuel involved, but could be a lot more than 100m. Having cleared paddocks (with some shade trees) for at least 200m would be my idea, but the more the better.
    Radiant heat attack (like setting your curtains on fire from a distance) I can’t really comment on, but again expect it would have to be within 200m and a pretty fierce blaze.

  105. Lazlo

    Louis: here

    Chief fire officer Mike Brown says now is not the time to discuss fuel-reduction, but he stressed individual property owners also have a responsibility.

    “I would think that there’s less fuel-reduction done now that there would have been 20 or 30 years ago,” he said.

    “But I think we’ve got to understand that large areas of these fires were on private property and if you own the land, you own the fuel and you own the risk.”

    He says Tasmania will still be in a critical fire danger period for the next eight to 12 weeks.

    “We can not afford to relax, in fact we need to increase out vigilance and step up our preparations.”

    Tasmania’s Emergency Management Minister says strategic fuel reduction is done in collaboration with the fire service.

    David O’Byrne says most of the area burnt by the two most destructive fires was private property.

    “Fuel-reduction is a shared responsibility,” he said.

    “What we saw in the two major incidents at Dunalley and the Forcett fire and also at Lake Repulse, 80 per cent of that land was privately-owned.

    “So it is a shared responsibility between the tiers of Government and also private land-owners as well.”

    About 170 properties more than 100,000 hectares have been destroyed in the past week.

    Residents of Dunalley which was the hardest hit town raised the issue earlier this week.

    Nothing about what the government has/has not done. Clearly aimed at blaming the victims and absolving the greenslime. Your ABC at work… scum.

  106. Louis Hissink

    Lazlo, thanks :-) LH

  107. blogstrop

    Private property ownership doesn’t any longer mean you can do what’s sensible!

  108. Lazlo

    My pleasure. Let it be recorded in stone:

    ..if you own the land, you own the fuel and you own the risk.

    Nothing to do with greenslime guvmint totalitarianism

  109. .

    Dot, I would say ember attack depends on wind conditions and the fuel involved, but could be a lot more than 100m. Having cleared paddocks (with some shade trees) for at least 200m would be my idea, but the more the better.
    Radiant heat attack (like setting your curtains on fire from a distance) I can’t really comment on, but again expect it would have to be within 200m and a pretty fierce blaze.

    The advice on growing green crops around any dwellings such as potato, tomato or lucerne would seem to be fairly practical.

    You could even use a series of pivot irrigators as some sort of ack ack system with the firefront hits.

    That plus a masonry or earthen wall as a shield should see a dwelling remain safe if it was fireproofed.

    More or less, the point is made: Victorian and Tasmanian environmental regulations make it illegal to adequately fireproof your property.

    Damn the Australian Greens, it would be wholly moral to (legally) conspire against them so they lose all their seats in any Parliament or local council.

    Any prudent property owner would act clandestinely, or operate a mineral exploration licence…

    ————————————————-

    However, this implies radiant heat can kill or endanger people, property or livestock from 10-30 metres away, and it says that embers can travel up to a MILE from the firefront.

    http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-30301_30505_30816-24040–,00.html

  110. Louis Hissink

    ABC News is becoming bloody irritating – they are ramping up the fire catastrophe warnings every news announcement. I have the vaguest of impressions that this is a bit of directed propaganda to put us into a frame of mind that might choose to re-elect the doctrinaire socialist Ms J. Gillard soon.

    In other words, a March election methinks.

  111. .

    ABC News is becoming bloody irritating – they are ramping up the fire catastrophe warnings every news announcement. I have the vaguest of impressions that this is a bit of directed propaganda to put us into a frame of mind that might choose to re-elect the doctrinaire socialist Ms J. Gillard soon.

    The conditions are actually getting better, in NSW at least.

    In other words, a March election methinks

    .

    But monty said the NBN was an “ace in the hole”.

  112. kae

    Did I miss some comments?
    Did Numbers get banned?

  113. Louis Hissink

    Dot, embers travel a bit more further than a mile – and I have had the weirdest experiences with bushfire smoke in the Kimberleys as well – one time we smelled smoke, abandoned the drilling for the day and went back to camp. Odd thing was that the smoked had travelled as a coherent cloud from a far distant place, but nearby there were no fires.

    So smoke from fires does travel a lot further than most understand, especially laterally. Usually one assumes hot fires rise vertically but once your mind has been introduced to plasma physics, and burning vegetation is plasma, the electrical forces have to be included in any scientific analysis.

  114. Louis Hissink

    NBN is an ace in the hole? Much like bankrupting me, building a NBN, and then expecting me to then, as an undischarged bankrupt, to fund the connection of the NBN to my dwelling and thereafter pay to use it.

    Mind you the NBN is a guvmint operation, so the cheapest quote is accepted, which means the NBN cables are above ground – which suggests that lack of fire hazard reduction will tend to cause frequent and costly destructions of the cable network from fire. And as it is made of optical fibre, it will burn magnificently (I guess).

    Idiots.

  115. Tim

    Question for brigade firefighters and rural firefighters:
    Let’s say I own a 4 bdr tin roof home on a few acres. Or a few hundred.
    How far would you recommend a firebreak for?
    50 metres? 100 metres?
    How would you built a windbreak? Would you recommend the 100 m to be of lush, mowed lawns and other non woody type greenery?

    Mark – it depends on the fuel – grass or timber – the slope of the hill, the temperature and the wind-speed on the day.

    And also your house – if the gutters are clear (and full of water) and there is no fuel lying around your garden (grass clippings, bark) that is half the battle. In any ordinary fire, 20 metres clear around your house is going to be fine – if there is no fuel to burn, embers won’t strike.

    But on a 45 degree day with strong winds and a hot fire with a big timber fuel load roaring up the hill toward your house, nothing is going to stop it. In this case what matters more is reducing fuel 100′s of meters from the house. No trees. Or a better designed house that won’t burn no matter what.

  116. John H.

    Classic:

    A glance at any human being should be enough to dispel the notion it is the work of an intelligent being.

    The Immortalisation Commission.

  117. Tel

    Louis Hissink, Nitrogen plasma in a bushfire? Based on colour temperature, I’d say a bushfire wouldn’t get past 3000K at the very most — not hot enough to ionize.

    I was told that the ground combustibles in SE NSW was up to 8 tonnes per hectare and considered waay too dangerous.

    At Kilmore East on the 7 Feb 2009 Victorian fires, fuel loads were 40 to 50 tonnes per hectare or 5 to 6 times higher than what you are calling dangerous (as reported in the Royal Commission report, with senior CFA officers inspecting the area 4 weeks before the fire).

    I might go on to say there were 119 fatalities at Kilmore East and 1242 homes destroyed.

    The nature of the fuel the fire was consuming and the extreme weather conditions meant that spotting was occurring 20 and 40 kilometres ahead of the main fire front. In some cases these spot fires developed into major fires in their own right.

  118. H B Bear

    “But I think we’ve got to understand that large areas of these fires were on private property and if you own the land, you own the fuel and you own the risk.”

    Not if some bureaucrat is telling you you can’t do something on your own property you don’t. That’s the whole point dickhead.

  119. Usually one assumes hot fires rise vertically but once your mind has been introduced to plasma physics, and burning vegetation is plasma, the electrical forces have to be included in any scientific analysis.

    It’s very hot and lonely, the life of a geologist, and a man’s mind gets to wandering…

  120. hzhousewife

    On Black Friday, Jan 1939, my Dad was covered in ash from the fires in the Dandenngs when walking a pony home from a cattle sale in Korumburra South Gippsland. He said the smell of fire and smoke was so fresh that he was fearful for the farmhouse even though the fires were over 50 miles away. It was dark at 3pm in the afternoon.

  121. Rabz

    A glance at any human being should be enough to dispel the notion it is the work of an intelligent being.

    Oh really?

  122. Potemkin’s Village

    Dante Alighieri’s third ring of hell is… here

  123. H B Bear

    Gillard all over the news announcing the Royal Commission. Six commissioners and two years (before the inevitable extensions). Anyone want to hazard a guess at what this will cost?

    Net result will be right up there with KRudd saying sorry to the black fellas.

  124. .

    Note the reported Melbourne temperature

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_(1851)

    The year preceding the fires was exceptionally hot and dry and this trend continued into the summer of 1851. On Black Thursday, a northerly wind set in early and the temperature in Melbourne was reported to have peaked at 47.2 degrees C (117 degrees F) at 11:00am.

    Yes the article goes on to dispute the temp…but five million hectares burnt out is five million hectares burnt out.

    Not as impressive as Sturt’s exploding thermometers and 53.9 degrees…but it raises questions about alarmism…about the same alarmists who refuse to engage in fuel reduction.

  125. Rabz

    Six commissioners and two years (before the inevitable extensions). Anyone want to hazard a guess at what this will cost?

    Can’t Yabbott simply abolish the fucking ridiculous circus after the next feral election?

    FFS.

  126. JC

    He should, but he won’t though as I think he’s becoming a little bit of a soft cock since the attacks.

  127. Jon Stewart summarizes gun lobby paranoia:

    “Now I get it, now I see what’s happening,” he said. “Their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.” We can’t do anything, he added, because the right is too worried about the rise of “imaginary Hitler.”

    Meanwhile, gun nut puts up Youtube threatening to “start killing people” if gun laws go “one inch further” and invites all “patriots” to load up.

    Paranoia runs deep in an unusually high proportion of the US population. Sorry, it just does.

    And, by the way, it’s reported that the shotgun shooting by a 16 yr old at a Californian school was at a school that has a deputy on site routinely.

  128. JC

    So steps,

    You get your US news from Jon Stewart… a comedian?

    Heavy duty stuff you watch, steps.

  129. Gab

    In the land of Howardian gun laws:

    The man was last night undergoing surgery in Coffs Harbour Hospital after surviving being shot in the head at close range by an alleged former love rival.

    The victim, his partner and their three children had returned to their home town of Mullaway, on the state’s north coast this week after the partner’s father went missing.

    On Wednesday afternoon the family were at Woolgoolga headland as a police rescue team dragged a body from the water.

    The victim, fearing it was his missing father-in-law, decided to drive to his home – in the hope he was there and the body wasn’t his, or to shield the children if it was.

    Police allege that, as the family drove off, former love rival Daniel Baird spotted the victim and followed the car.

    It is alleged that the pair had previously fought over a woman they had both been involved with years ago. When they reached the home about 5.30pm, Baird allegedly confronted the victim while both men were sitting in their cars.

    It is alleged the victim wound down his car window to ask Baird what he wanted, when Baird allegedly shot him. “The three kids were showered in their father’s blood,” the victim’s father said last night.

    The alleged gunman is reportedly the son of a local Finks bikie leader.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/man-shot-in-the-head-after-running-into-old-rival/story-e6frf7jo-1226551468038

    You can ban all guns and yet the criminal element, the rapists, the home invaders will not stop using guns.

  130. Infidel tiger

    Paranoia runs deep in an unusually high proportion of the US population. Sorry, it just does.

    How would you know? Unless the disability pension has had a dramatic increase you’ll never be able to get there.

  131. H B Bear

    Abbott can’t shut down the Royal Commission – the bleating would be deafening. David Marr would pop his butt plug. Just another Flaming Edgar left by Gillard for after the election.

  132. Pedro the Ignorant

    Colbert is paid to be a TV comedian isn’t he?

    Why would anyone take a paid clown/jester seriously?

    Cackle away, clown boy, earn your money.

  133. Those who get all of their “news” from The Comedy Channel are what are known in the States as “Low Information Voters” (LIVs).

  134. Rabz

    You can ban all guns and yet the criminal element, the rapists, the home invaders will not stop using guns.

    Gab, this sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to the utterly loathsome, lobotomised semenblogger shitferbrains, who’s back, Baby, BACK!

    The dick head.

  135. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Jon Stewart summarizes gun lobby paranoia:”

    Jon Stewart is a supercilious entertainer, only occasionally amusing.

    Try Thomas Sowell for his considered view on the subject, a view not trotted out for closely tracked applause meter readings and advertising placement.

    For an objective, substantiated analysis on local defence expenditure or primary industry marketing policy do you prefer Vacuous Mellie on 7 or MsszzzMrs Peter Fitzsimons on 9?

  136. The people who get all their ‘news’ from The Comedy Channel, and whose opinions are all borrowed from cable-TV comedians, are fond of self-identifying as “the reality-based community”.

    Amazingly, they are also among the most humorless people on the planet.

  137. Gab

    Rabz, he’s nuttier than a squirrel poop.

  138. Louis Hissink

    Tel, who mentioned Nitrogen plasma?

    Steve from Brisbane, astute observations from your cage in urbanland; computerised or from brekkie cereal boxes.

  139. Tom

    Paranoia runs deep in an unusually high proportion of the US population. Sorry, it just does.

    Dogshit, you have no idea what is going on in America. And being an ignorant peasant prone to fascist fantasies, you think you know more about democracy than the people who wrote the US Constitution.

    You keep hanging around here trying to manufacture approval. Let me tell you: you are a piece of human garbage. And you are incapable of learning. You are a troll. Fuck off.

  140. Louis Hissink

    It’s very hot and lonely, the life of a geologist, and a man’s mind gets to wandering…

    from the intellectual shackles of dogma that limit the behaviour of those content with the minima of life, to wax lyrically of things unknown, but to confuse such mortalities with existence.

  141. JC

    Man, this week has been a really bad week for lefties at the cat. There’s feathers flying everywhere.

  142. kae

    Thanks, Helen. I should be OK, I’m miles from the range, but I have friends who are close to the range.

    Louis
    My father, brother and mother helped a National Sparks and Wildfire mate fight a fire in late 70s or early 80s at Glenbrook. His house was in the park so couldn’t get insurance (it was provided by his employer). The house at the end of the street, next door, burnt down and they lost pets ahd horses. His house was saved.

    My father said it was terrifying. The fire through the crowns of the trees was like a train, burning embers blowing everywhere and falling from the treetops. He had one go down under the brim of his hat and onto his neck and it burnt him. Dad said he’d never been so frightened! He also said that the crown fire sucked the air away for a few seconds and that was frightening.

    After the fire passed over, through the crowns of the trees, with trees exploding from the eucalyptus oil brought to combustion temperature, the ground fuel began to burn.

    I wasn’t there. I was in my 20s. I’m also not that brave.

  143. kae

    There was a grassfire up the hill from me several years ago. I drove up to see if I could help, but I was useless as the smoke from the grassfire burned my eyes and throat and I couldn’t do anything. I went home and left the men with garden hoses to save my friend’s home. (They put the fire out in the grass and it didn’t reach the house and garden.)

  144. Amazingly, they are also among the most humorless people on the planet.

    Yes. They sit in reverent silence while watching Stewart and Colbert.

    Who, incidentally, provide commentary, not “news”.

  145. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Gillard all over the news announcing the Royal Commission. Six commissioners and two years (before the inevitable extensions). Anyone want to hazard a guess at what this will cost?

    Net result will be right up there with KRudd saying sorry to the black fellas.”

    That degenerate heading up her half hour publicity service tonight at 7pm with an attack on an institution which is important to me was sickening. How dare that lying scum preach with such contrived sincerity about morality.

    I saw Bob Collins’ name further up the page here, beloved of the Comrades and feared for good reason by children. All the others came to mind – Wright, Orkopoulos, D’Arcy – and I wondered why she doesn’t put that splendid ALP central-to-party-platform policy up for public examination too.

    For the next year or two this will be a festival for the “journalists”, another dissolute cadre which ever so successfully protects its own filthy brothers from scrutiny.

    What a rotten, festering disease these parasites bring to daily life in Australia.

  146. Infidel tiger

    Shitfer learnt everything he knows about France from ‘Allo ‘Allo.

  147. JC

    Right stepford, those two comedians don’t talk about anything that’s topical at that time.

  148. John H.

    Amazingly, they are also among the most humorless people on the planet.

    By whose bloody standard? They make a fortune being comedians. They must be funny to millions of people ipso facto they are funny. Fine, you don’t think they are funny but who made you Lord and Chief of Comedy?

  149. By whose bloody standard? They make a fortune being comedians. They must be funny to millions of people ipso facto they are funny. Fine, you don’t think they are funny but who made you Lord and Chief of Comedy?

    Good God. You may be a “genius” but your comprehension is borderline retarded.

    Read my comment again – slowly this time – and find out to whom I was referring — who was the subject of my sentence?

    By the way, speaking of “borderline retarded”, any plans to retract your claim above, that “most people” want to see guns banned, which I handily debunked?

  150. Cold-Hands

    If you look at the original comment, it’s the audience of po-faced progressives who are humourless, not the artistes…

  151. Abu Chowdah

    Jon Stewart’s comedy is an echo chamber for lefties. It’s smug central and a complete circle jerk.

    No wonder the north Brisbane nob gobbler loves it.

  152. Louis Hissink

    More prosaically I’m listening to Glenn Miller on the Hi Fi, supping water contaminated by Irish Whisky, and reading the comments on the CAT.

    So what force drives Steve from Brisbayne?

  153. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “By whose bloody standard? They make a fortune being comedians.”

    Oh, you treat money as applause?

    Mike Tyson was paid more than any other boxer during the period that he damaged the sport more than any other before or after.

    Your prime minister earns – oops – is paid more money than the US president’s job pays. She made it possible for one of her ex boyfriends to make a lot of dough too. It belonged to other people but “make a fortune” he did.

    What’s to not like about that? Or about her man Comrade Craig Pantsdown pulling a fortune owned by other people, for whom he served. Comrade Slippery Pete has his hand deep in your pocket too, enhancing his fortune still – good on him I say.

    Fat Al has jagged millions in income peddling a lie to the feeble minded and impressionable young.

    Yeah, making good coin is the measure alright.

  154. Hey, I hear that the antioxidants we were last year ordered to take in order to prevent cancer, now make cancer worse.

    But aspirin and vitamin C. W00T. They’re the ticket this year. Oh yes they are.

    Yay pop-sci.

  155. Cold-Hands

    Bob Brown pontificates on the Whitehaven Fraud.

    “CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.’’

    That was not me nor Christine Milne speaking in the Senate. It is a quote from the testimony of James Hansen, head of NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies in New York …

    It is in Hansen’s context that I see the former National Party leader Mark Vaile’s bellowing about the sharemarket upset resulting from Jonathan Moylan’s false news release last week. But it is Moylan, not Vaile, who faces public ostracism and legal action and, speculation has it, may end up in jail.

    History is full of this. Gandhi and Mandela went to jail. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Jesus Christ turned up at the businessmen’s tables and look what happened to him. Anti-slavery campaigner John Brown’s ‘’body lies mouldering in the grave’’ and suffragette Emily Davidson was killed when she ran in front of the horses at the 1913 Epsom Derby.

    Well clearly we’ve got a living prophet in our midst, ready to be martyred by the forces of Big Coal. Obviously Bob’s ocean voyage hasn’t affected his sense of proportion.

    H/T Tim Blair

  156. C.L.

    …Emily Davidson was killed when she ran in front of the horses at the 1913 Epsom Derby…

    Any chance of Nicola Roxon taking a careless stroll during the Caulfield Cup?

  157. Infidel tiger

    Roxon would be more likely to get a run in the Epsom.

    Or at least get a gig pulling a cart of beer kegs.

  158. m0nty has been running around out there pantsless for nigh on 24 hours now.

    I’m starting to get a little concerned.

  159. Tiny Dancer

    north Brisbane nob gobbler

    FFS he’s a nob gobbler, bread thief, child scarer and QC. get it right.

  160. dover_beach

    Jon Stewart summarizes gun lobby paranoia:

    “Now I get it, now I see what’s happening,” he said. “Their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.” We can’t do anything, he added, because the right is too worried about the rise of “imaginary Hitler.”

    This is an amazingly stupid comment even setting aside his claim that we live in an “actual dystopic present”. Stewart is essentially saying that the First Congress of the US were collectively paranoid since each of the first 10 amendments to the US constitution evinces a fear of the possible engagements of future Federal governments.

    BTW, why was this argument never raised by Leftists like Stewart, etc. during the Bush presidency in relation to rendition, etc. where they feared of the possible consequences of denying alleged terrorist suspects their fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth amendment rights?

    We’re they also “too worried[/paranoid] about the rise of “imaginary Hitler”?

  161. dover_beach

    Correction: Were they also…

  162. John H.

    By the way, speaking of “borderline retarded”, any plans to retract your claim above, that “most people” want to see guns banned, which I handily debunked?

    No you didn’t. That people support the NRA does not mean they wish to live in a societies with guns all over the place. The USA might love to have guns awash all over the place but many others don’t. The question should be: which is preferable: a society with lots of guns or a society with few guns. The NRA popularity is a hopeless proxy and a poll released just today found 54% wanted something done about semi-automatic weapons.

    As for the aspirin vitamin C j ibe. Tell me, how many studies have you read on this? And explain why Ross Walker, an Ausralian cardiologist, only this week, recommended that for 80% the popn over 50 100mg of aspirin a day is recommended. So you know better than the cardiologists now? So you reject all the peer reviewed literature on this do you? Then avoid modern medicine.

  163. dover_beach

    a poll released just today found 54% wanted something done about semi-automatic weapons.

    I would take these polls more seriously if respondents:(i)actually knew what the current arrangements were; (ii) actually specified what they wanted to be done; and (iii) actually new what semi-automatic weapons were.

  164. Pedro the Ignorant

    Nobody (except lefty wankers like the Pinkenba Sewer Rat) gives a fat rat’s arse what those US TV alleged “comedians” Colbert, Letterman, Stewart et al have to contribute to any serious debate except for a cheap giggle.

    Sideshow Bob and Krusty the Clown are usually more topical, funnier, and have the very great advantage of not emitting copious clouds of smug.

  165. C.L.

    The question should be: which is preferable: a society with lots of guns or a society with few guns?

    A society with lots of guns, mostly in the hands of citizens. Next question.

    …a poll released just today found 54% wanted something done about semi-automatic weapons.

    Recent polls have also established that abortion on demand is now opposed by most Americans.

    When will it be banned?

    Late-term abortion facility opens in Dallas.

    Fairmount abortion center relocates to new facility with new name and new mission: To perform as many as 2,000 late-term abortions in Dallas every year.

    That alone makes Sandy Hook look like amateur hour.

    According to the CDC [PDF], 31264 late term abortions a year are conducted in the United States. Leftists are completely comfortable – indeed proud – of this Hitlerian massacre.

  166. John H.

    A society with lots of guns, mostly in the hands of citizens. Next question.

    A poll of one.

  167. a poll released just today found 54% wanted something done about semi-automatic weapons

    Any chance of you linking to that poll?

    The last one I saw phrased it as “Should the government do something about semi-automatic assault weapons” …

    Given that “assault weapon” is a made-up political term, and the vast bulk of semi-automatic weapons would not fit the made-up political definition of “assault weapon” that we used last time around, I have trouble taking any of that crap seriously.

    Another recent poll showed that many people favor strong restrictions on the purchase of automatic rifles and machine guns. Which is easily accomplished, since such restrictions have been in place since the late 1920s…

    Anyway what is this “something” that “they” want “done” about “semi-automatic weapons”? Ban them, like in Chicago? Yeah, how’s that working out then?

  168. Barky’s Chicago: a gun-control model in action. 14 homicides so far this year.

    Jan. 9
    – Johnny Taylor, a 23 year old unknown male, caused by a gunshot in West Garfield Park.

    Jan. 8
    – Darvelle Brown, a 24 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in West Garfield Park.

    >
    Jan. 8
    – Tyshawn Blanton, a 31 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Near North Side.

    >
    Jan. 6
    – Lavonshay Cooper, a 22 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Lower West Side.

    >
    Jan. 6
    – Marcus Turner, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

    >
    Jan. 5
    – Taison Moore, a 33 year old black male, caused by a stabbing in West Garfield Park.

    >
    Jan. 5
    – Name Unknown, a black male, caused by a gunshot in West Englewood.

    >
    Jan. 5
    – Angela Welch, a 55 year old black female, caused by a stabbing in South Chicago.

    >
    Jan. 5
    – David Kartzmark, a 25 year old white male, caused by a gunshot in West Town.

    >
    Jan. 3
    – Michael Kozel, a 57 year old white male, caused by a gunshot in Gage Park.

    >
    Jan. 2
    – Ulysses Gissendanner, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in West Pullman.

    >
    Oh, wait. Two of those were stabbings. Best we ban knives as well.

  169. C.L.

    John, should police carry guns?

    Apparently the talking point du jour is that they’re useless for self-defence.

    So tell me: why should a policeman (or a member of the Obama Department of Education’s SWAT teams) carry guns?

  170. link: http://tinyurl.com/yzgc62c
    for some reason this blog won’t allow the full url.

  171. John H.

    John, should police carry guns?

    CL, I stated here earlier today that I don’t think gun control is the solution. I provided links yesterday showing how when recent attempts at shootings were made and stopped by armed individuals this was not widely reported. DD provided another link pointing to that. My point was to illustrate that the MSM is playing games with us on this issue. So I don’t give a shit about the MSM reporting let alone what comedians may say about the issue.

    Yes, I want the police to carry weapons. I have no sympathy for a burglar who got shot in the attempt. I told you that story sometime earlier about when I was a teenager and heard someone in the house so I picked up the largest knife I could find and went ahunting. I scared the shit out of that person and fortunately that prevented the theft of my mother’s jewellery. My father was away at work at the time and to this day I can remember turning on the light in my mother’s room holding this bloody big knife and looking. I was terrified, at 15 you tend to be terrified when you know someone has burgled your house and you suspect they are in your mother’s room. After I returned from squash practice the next morning my mother said someone had opened the drawer containing her jewellery. I would do that again. I have no problem with violence to stop criminals. I think the “proportional force” legal argument is bloody stupid. When your life is threatened you don’t have time to work proportional force.

    The problem with the self-defense argument is the requirement to lock up the weapons. In my situation above, there were rifles in the house but hey in the middle of night you don’t have that much time to get the weapon, load it, and shoot in the dark. The solution is easy though: yes lock up the guns but allow individuals to have at least one weapon near at hand. End of self-defense problem. Is there anything wrong with that idea?

    But don’t keep the weapon near the phone at the bedside. There was a Darwin Award for a chap who woke up one night because the phone was ringing. Dreary, he picked up the pistol instead and shot himself. :D

    CL, I have no clear idea what the USA needs to do here. I’m not particularly interested in that question, I’m more interested in why so many are going postal of late. Has the spike in mental illness accounted for this? To some extent perhaps but I want to understand that spike.

  172. Potemkin’s Village

    Suppose you worked at Waigani… here

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Abbott can’t shut down the Royal Commission – the bleating would be deafening.

    But he can tweak it? – downgrade some aspects and include others of far more current significance (such as child sexual abuse in remote aboriginal communities).

  174. johanna

    Lizzie, a RC is just the consequence of an Act of Parliament, so in theory an incoming government could do anything it liked. But, what with the Senate and the wailing of vested interests if it was tried, don’t hold your breath.

    I am particularly concerned about the promise of compensation, which is the standard response of the Feds these days – buy people off with taxpayers’ money, after a long and expensive process. Don’t actually fix anything, or punish wrongdoers – just hurl money around like confetti and feel like Gandhi or MLK – oh wait, Jonathan Moylan already has dibs on that.

    Gah!

  175. Tom

    Budget austerity? Yeah, right. The socialists want to throw around even more of other people’s money fixing the lifestyle problems of unemployed Greens-ALP voters:

    THE Gillard government has begun modelling a suite of measures to assist those on unemployment benefits, amid a growing cabinet push to deliver an increase to the Newstart Allowance payment in this year’s budget.

    The move is designed to help the most vulnerable people on Newstart, including single mothers who were forced on to the payment after Labor tightened eligibility for the single-parent payment.

    The Weekend Australian can reveal that one option being modelled is to allow Newstart recipients to keep more of their payments if their number of hours of paid work increases. This option is gaining strong support inside the government because it maintains the “work first” policy while giving unemployed people incentives to look for work.

    A second option is for a more “moderate” increase in the dole; not the full $50 a week being pushed by welfare advocates and the Greens. This would cost the budget less, but still offer some relief to those on the low payment.

    The last option is a suite of options to help single mothers who will be forced on to Newstart when their youngest child turns eight. A senior source said this option could involve more education and childcare options for those mothers.

  176. steve from brisbane

    I trust you are suitably outraged by comments such as this, Tom?:

    If we are to expect the unemployed to search for employment with confidence, there is no point pushing them into grinding poverty.

  177. Dan

    A major flaw with Newstart, (from what I remember, things could have changed) is that to ‘access’ specific help through job agencies and what have you is the requirement that you have to have been receiving benefit payments for 6 months. You are actually encouraged to sit on your arse. You also can’t access help for retraining or specific certification courses for 6 months. Bit of a joke really.

    Of course, these agencies don’t really do anything that you can’t do yourself, they exist only to ascertain your integrity. For which they require, depending on how far you have to travel, upto 2 hours out of your life, adding to the compliance cost. Swannie changed it so you can claim travel related expenses to find a job…

    The whole system is a big bloody joke.

  178. Tracey

    It seems the idiot Milne is now calling for minute’s silence in Parliament to mark the tragic passing of Dennis Ferguson, a harmless victim hounded to his death…
    Christ, someone deliver us from this nightmare.

  179. Tom

    Dan, it’s a down-market, low-rent, shitkicker colonial version of the Obama campaign: having finally, officially disavowed fisal responsibility as an objective, they will spend however much of our money they reckon it will take to buy enough votes of minorities and women to get them over the line in an election. McTernan’s 2013 election slogan will be: “Who’s Your Daddy?” It’s a cynical, blatant vote-buying exercise.

  180. Gab

    The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses …

    Via Instapundit, who notes: “Wait, weren’t the lefty pundits telling us that only an idiot NRA shill would endorse this idea?

    It’s always different when they suggest it.

  181. Tom

    Milne is now calling for minute’s silence in Parliament to mark the tragic passing of Dennis Ferguson

    Tracey, that’s a Tim Blair prank.

  182. Gab

    After noticing the prohibitionist tendencies of this government, seeing them as a natural ally, he felt the next step was obvious:

    A radical sheik … has called for Australia to become an Islamic state ruled by sharia law …

    Sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah, the Australian head of extremist Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, suggested during a Christmas Eve sermon that jihad should be used to implement hardline teachings …

    He said under an Islamic government, alcohol would be banned, a strict dress code enforced for all Australians and languages other than Arabic banned in schools.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/sheik_wahwah/

  183. Tracey

    Oh, thank God. Stupid me. Sorry all.

  184. johanna

    Tracey, don’t feel bad. As many on Tim’s site have commented, the problem with his strategy is – how can you tell which ones are fake?

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