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		<title>By: Maws</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/10/democracy-in-deficit-2/comment-page-1/#comment-696599</link>
		<dc:creator>Maws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[probably off topic, but OMFG where do these idiots come from

&quot;AUSTRALIA&#039;S most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;International Monetary Fund&lt;/a&gt; examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably off topic, but OMFG where do these idiots come from</p>
<p>&#8220;AUSTRALIA&#8217;S most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html" rel="nofollow">International Monetary Fund</a> examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JAG</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/10/democracy-in-deficit-2/comment-page-1/#comment-696119</link>
		<dc:creator>JAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears that previous debt spikes have ended Hitler, slavery and the first world war.

The current debt spike eventually ended the life of a reclusive elderly adult film enthusiast and... well... umm... shit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that previous debt spikes have ended Hitler, slavery and the first world war.</p>
<p>The current debt spike eventually ended the life of a reclusive elderly adult film enthusiast and&#8230; well&#8230; umm&#8230; shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Token</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/10/democracy-in-deficit-2/comment-page-1/#comment-696007</link>
		<dc:creator>Token</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I was being a bit flippant, there will be a down side when the Bondholders work out they have been stiffed. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s cool. You gave me a lead in.

The squandering of the resources of those countries by autocrats, by purchasing the debt which will never be paid, is just another way the statists/autocrats rob their people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was being a bit flippant, there will be a down side when the Bondholders work out they have been stiffed. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s cool. You gave me a lead in.</p>
<p>The squandering of the resources of those countries by autocrats, by purchasing the debt which will never be paid, is just another way the statists/autocrats rob their people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jannie</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/10/democracy-in-deficit-2/comment-page-1/#comment-695969</link>
		<dc:creator>Jannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t you mean the average person in those countries who have the excess wealth drawn from their labour / mineral wealth squandered buying debt instead of allowing the people to invest in projects with real ROI?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um Token, I guess I might do, and it does seem a bit unwise for those &#039;people&#039; to buy US bonds instead of investing in something real.  Its not clear to me why anybody would invest in Government Bonds, US or Euro, when they clearly have no intention of repaying you with units of equal value.

I was being a bit flippant, there will be a down side when the Bondholders work out they have been stiffed.  

But borrowers could just say &#039;caveat emptor&#039;?

(Clearly, I am no economics expert, but I have read a lot of history, and investors have lost their shirts investing in govt bonds, many times before.  But not English speaking countries, as far as I am aware).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t you mean the average person in those countries who have the excess wealth drawn from their labour / mineral wealth squandered buying debt instead of allowing the people to invest in projects with real ROI?</p></blockquote>
<p>Um Token, I guess I might do, and it does seem a bit unwise for those &#8216;people&#8217; to buy US bonds instead of investing in something real.  Its not clear to me why anybody would invest in Government Bonds, US or Euro, when they clearly have no intention of repaying you with units of equal value.</p>
<p>I was being a bit flippant, there will be a down side when the Bondholders work out they have been stiffed.  </p>
<p>But borrowers could just say &#8216;caveat emptor&#8217;?</p>
<p>(Clearly, I am no economics expert, but I have read a lot of history, and investors have lost their shirts investing in govt bonds, many times before.  But not English speaking countries, as far as I am aware).</p>
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		<title>By: Derp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fail in wrong thread]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fail in wrong thread</p>
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		<title>By: Derp</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/10/democracy-in-deficit-2/comment-page-1/#comment-695945</link>
		<dc:creator>Derp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no so such thing as compulsory voting. Only compulsory attendance at the polling station to have your name ticked off on a list. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s not quite correct. IIRC the law states you must also obtain a ballot, fill it in and place ballot in the booth. But it&#039;s not really enforcable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is no so such thing as compulsory voting. Only compulsory attendance at the polling station to have your name ticked off on a list. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite correct. IIRC the law states you must also obtain a ballot, fill it in and place ballot in the booth. But it&#8217;s not really enforcable.</p>
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		<title>By: Token</title>
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		<dc:creator>Token</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The losers are the bondholders, Rich Arabs and Poor Chinese – a few westerners with savings, they mostly dont vote in US elections, and never vote Democrat anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t you mean the average person in those countries who have the excess wealth drawn from their labour / mineral wealth squandered buying debt instead of allowing the people to invest in projects with real ROI?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The losers are the bondholders, Rich Arabs and Poor Chinese – a few westerners with savings, they mostly dont vote in US elections, and never vote Democrat anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean the average person in those countries who have the excess wealth drawn from their labour / mineral wealth squandered buying debt instead of allowing the people to invest in projects with real ROI?</p>
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		<title>By: Jannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, so what do they do?

They print dollars and pay their debts with inflationary money.

The losers are the bondholders, Rich Arabs and Poor Chinese - a few westerners with savings, they mostly dont vote in US elections, and never vote Democrat anyway. 

The evil capitalist system sows the seeds of its own destruction, and socialist superman will have to bail them out, again.  You can tell why it does not bother Obama at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so what do they do?</p>
<p>They print dollars and pay their debts with inflationary money.</p>
<p>The losers are the bondholders, Rich Arabs and Poor Chinese &#8211; a few westerners with savings, they mostly dont vote in US elections, and never vote Democrat anyway. </p>
<p>The evil capitalist system sows the seeds of its own destruction, and socialist superman will have to bail them out, again.  You can tell why it does not bother Obama at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should we be agitating for a &quot;debt brake&quot; referendum like the Germans did a few years ago AND got it passed?
Basically I&#039;d be after something like can&#039;t run a deficit except for a National Security emergency. Go into deficit and a general election called in 90 days. That would in fact mean fairly good surpluses are run to avoid going anywhere near the trigger point of a deficit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we be agitating for a &#8220;debt brake&#8221; referendum like the Germans did a few years ago AND got it passed?<br />
Basically I&#8217;d be after something like can&#8217;t run a deficit except for a National Security emergency. Go into deficit and a general election called in 90 days. That would in fact mean fairly good surpluses are run to avoid going anywhere near the trigger point of a deficit</p>
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		<title>By: johno</title>
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		<dc:creator>johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So that would mean Bush snr and Clinton ran some surplusses, while Reagan and GWB were running mild deficits at 4-6% of GDP. Seems surprising, particularly in Reagan’s case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There was much to like about Reagan (and Thatcher), but reducing government expenditure is not one of them.

Clinton&#039;s fiscal management needs to be more widely acknowledged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So that would mean Bush snr and Clinton ran some surplusses, while Reagan and GWB were running mild deficits at 4-6% of GDP. Seems surprising, particularly in Reagan’s case.</p></blockquote>
<p>There was much to like about Reagan (and Thatcher), but reducing government expenditure is not one of them.</p>
<p>Clinton&#8217;s fiscal management needs to be more widely acknowledged.</p>
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