In answer to Monbiot at Catallaxy Files

In answer to Monbiot

George Monbiot asks:

I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country.

Tony Abbott:

I’m now on my way to Sydney to be on standby with my local fire brigade. Important to follow fire warnings and advice today

Written by Sinclair Davidson

January 11th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

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I wonder what George Monbiot will say about the record stupidity and deceit now ravaging his apocalyptic catastrophist crank religion?

Up The Workers!

11 Jan 13 at 12:57 pm
I used to have some little repect for Monbiot… no longer.
George, it’s called The Weather.
In 2000, Greece experienced 50deg c + , since when they have not. It’s called The Weather, George,
Stop trying to sensationalise our Weather.

Dexter Rous

11 Jan 13 at 1:03 pm
Has Monbiot given Lord McAlpine all his worldly possessions yet?

Infidel Tiger

11 Jan 13 at 1:07 pm
As James Hansen and colleagues showed in a paper published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the occurrence of extremely hot events has risen by a factor of around 50 by comparison to the decades before 1980. Extreme summer heat, which afflicted between 0.1% and 0.2% of the world 40 years ago, now affects 10%. They warned that “an important change is the emergence of a category of summertime extremely hot outliers, more than three standard deviations (3σ) warmer than the climatology of the 1951–1980 base period”. An extremely hot outlier is a good description of what is roasting Australia at the moment.

Seems like a sound backing up of Monbiot’s argument. Science, it works!

m0nty

11 Jan 13 at 1:17 pm
I’m wondering what George Moonbat says about the record low temps on the Asian landmass?

JC

11 Jan 13 at 1:21 pm
m0nty – science has what to do with the Abbott slur?

Sinclair Davidson

11 Jan 13 at 1:23 pm
I’m wondering what George Moonbat says about the record low temps on the Asian landmass?

Oh they’ve got that covered JC – any extreme weather is attributed to dangerous climate change. It’s a case of heads I win, tails you lose.

viva

11 Jan 13 at 1:26 pm
Eggactly Viva.

If it’s hot it’s global warming. If it’s too cold, it’s glimate change.

See, you’ve got it. Anyone can be a climate scientist and earn the big bucks.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 1:28 pm
Exactly JC – the Asian cold areas are larger than Australia too.
But I doubt the latest BoM claim of the record “All time Australian Hot Day” from 1972 being broken would stand up to statistical scrutiny.
To make a valid claim you would have to have a set of weather stations in 1972 – still in existence today, with unchanged environments around the instrument sites. Not in the real world I am aware of.

Warwick Hughes

11 Jan 13 at 1:30 pm
m0nty – science has what to do with the Abbott slur?

Abbott says the science of climate change is “crap”.

m0nty

11 Jan 13 at 1:31 pm
… and the relationship to that and bush fires and being a fire fighter is? What exactly?

Sinclair Davidson

11 Jan 13 at 1:35 pm
And bushfires that were deliberately lit and fuelled by green policies of stopping back burning.

Yep, Abbotts fault.

harrys on the boat

11 Jan 13 at 1:36 pm
I hope Tony Abbott’s volunteer firefighting work helps Australians see him in the proper light now, rather than through the nasty slurs of gillard/mcternan.

candy

11 Jan 13 at 1:37 pm
You linked to the Monbiot piece in the OP, Sinc, and I commented on it. Monbiot’s question was in relation to Abbott’s previous utterances on AGW. My comment was on topic.

m0nty

11 Jan 13 at 1:39 pm
Monopod also has a screed on lead fuel being the cause of violence through the 60′s-70′s before it was phased out…

His grasp of science is only matched by his resourcefulness in finding obscure studies to attack businesses and, by default capitalism.

thefrollickingmole

11 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country.

He should say that any particular weather event is impossible to ascribe to climate change, but that the predictions of more extreme weather do seem to be coming true, and that there are about twice as many record highs as record lows over the last decade, in line with the fact that it’s been 27 years since the world had a cooler-than-20thC-average month.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
As James Hansen and colleagues showed in a paper published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the occurrence of extremely hot events has risen by a factor of around 50 by comparison to the decades before 1980.

I bet they’ve also got more monitoring stations, and changed some definitions. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Hansen is a known fraud. He is in the same league as Phil Jones.

.

11 Jan 13 at 1:42 pm
Abbott on bush fires.

gillard on bush fires.

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 1:43 pm
So Monty is saying that science has concluded that Tony Abbott is responsible for this ~~Super Extreme Freak Catastrophic Weather Event~~ summer.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 1:49 pm
And the global temperature records are in the hands of Hansen and Jones. No conflicts there. Its why all this talk of “higher than average temps” is bollocks.

Sell this bullshit to Siberia.

harrys on the boat

11 Jan 13 at 1:49 pm
Seems like a sound backing up of Monbiot’s argument.

Hahahahaha!!! Wait ’til it’s fact-checked. There are constant problems with the the climate zombies using their billion-dollar budgets to fudge and distort data. Sceptics don’t have those resources and these activists know it. So the zombie strategy is to create headlines that can’t be disavowed for days or weeks.

Thus we have new weather “record” metrics lobbed on the media for the first time this past week by BoM. Nothing to do with science. It’s politics designed to scare children. Abbott needs to tear apart these government-funded activist bureaucracies at the first opportunity.

As for supercilious activists like Monbiot, he won’t stop his communist crusade until he succeeds in bankrupting his little sheltered workshop, which is close to the brink already; at the current rate, this may well be in the same year as Fairfax’s insolvency.

Tom

11 Jan 13 at 1:51 pm
Hey, I’m puzzled.

Monbiot and Gillard believed the carbon dioxide tax would end extreme weather and hotness.

Now they’re saying it hasn’t.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 1:53 pm
From my own observation the ‘extreme weather event’ called summer still only comes once a year and the last few have been cool IMHO.

Sinclair Davidson

11 Jan 13 at 1:56 pm
Look, I could be wrong, but I haven’t heard about any specific heat records being broken this summer. The words “record-breaking” have been used without any specific temperature or day being mentioned.

The weather bureau is including a new statistic concerning the temperature of air mass over Australia that’s not easy to understand.

I suppose this will do for a few records and trying to sell the carbon tax. Shows the government is really worried about the level of acceptance.

And Another Thing

11 Jan 13 at 1:59 pm
As Lazlo tells us on the other fred, exposures of the climate establishment’s data-fiddling are coming thick and fast.

Tom

11 Jan 13 at 2:00 pm
Abbott says the science of climate change is “crap”.

Which nearly delivered him the 2010 election.

The only thing Gillard could do to make up the ground was disavow carbon taxes, which brought it back to a draw.

Politics is now conducted as to who can run from catastrophic global warmening policies the fastest. And Abbot is a mile in front, and likely to win on that basis alone.

Campbell Newman romped it in, including promises to dismantle the climate apparatus as soon as he got into power.

Rejecting alarmism and the insane policies created in its name : a surefire vote winner.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 2:02 pm
I expect the set of “Tony Abbott: Action Man” action figures and outfits I have in development to be hot sellers at Catallaxy. (Comes complete with Monk outfit for when he is alone in the Tonecave, and glow in the dark safety vest for when he is out to impress.)

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 2:03 pm
mOnty: You mean the descredited ‘hockey stick’ James Hansen.
By the way that report was pulled apart because as usual Hansen and his rent seeking colleques did a bit of data manipulation which is his ‘scientific’ forte.

Tropical

11 Jan 13 at 2:05 pm
Imagine a week of hot weather in Australia in summer time. Who would have thought!

kingsley

11 Jan 13 at 2:05 pm
That’s nice, Steve. I guess it’s as good a hobby as any other. Should keep you occupied for a bit.

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 2:06 pm
“”I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country.”"
It wouldn’t matter what he says, he can’t communicate through a camera lens and the lab/greens take full dishonest advantage of that.
He needs his gun shy team members to step up.
Where are they?

jumpnmcar

11 Jan 13 at 2:07 pm
That’s really funny Steve, good one. You’re very cute when you want to be.

candy

11 Jan 13 at 2:07 pm
Imagine a week of hot weather in Australia in summer time. Who would have thought!

Personally I’m loving it. It’s about time we had a proper hot sunny summer. Sucks to be in Victoria copping the hot dry heat and bushfires, but then that’s the price you pay for living in a state full of commies!

brc

11 Jan 13 at 2:07 pm
I expect the set of “Tony Abbott: Action Man” action figures and outfits I have in development to be hot sellers at Catallaxy. (Comes complete with Monk outfit for when he is alone in the Tonecave, and glow in the dark safety vest for when he is out to impress.)

Well, the Lefties might use them as voodoo dolls and stick needles on them

David

11 Jan 13 at 2:08 pm
Tony Abbott will say that the Carbin Tax clearly isn’t working as advertised, and he will scrap it as soon as he takes office.

boy on a bike

11 Jan 13 at 2:08 pm
Right, BOAB.

Gillard promised an end to Extreme Freak Catastrophic Super-Dooper summers.

She said the carbon dioxide tax would encoolen the globe.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 2:10 pm
Hansen’s PNAS study compares the temperature anomalies of two dissimilar time series and reaches the astonishing conclusion that in a warmer regime, outlier temperatures are more often hotter than those experienced in a cooler regime.
A Nobel Prize is in order at this point.

While attempting to generalize on this astounding discovery, Hansen et al realise they may be accused of cherry picking their data strips to achieve an outcome. In the fine tradition of climate science, the authors briskly cover this off with an impressive ‘pulled from my arse’:

“The temperature in 1951–1980 was also more representative of the Holocene (24) than any later period would be, which is important because it is desirable to have a base period with climate zones that plant and animal life on the planet are adapted.”

Wow, Jim, buddy, there’s a lot going on with that statement. Not referenced? Oh, pity, good enough for peer review, but the Nobel Prize is looking a bit wobbly.

So in the end, Monbiot (and M0nty) are happy to reference crap climate science to argue that Abbot is a dangerous lunatic for describing climate science as “crap”.

An elegant closure.

Dr Faustus

11 Jan 13 at 2:10 pm
(Comes complete with Monk outfit for when he is alone in the Tonecave, and glow in the dark safety vest for when he is out to impress.)

Monk outfit, yea? And you’ve been complaining about referring the the lying slapper as.. the lying slapper.

What outfit would you suggest for her? This one?

JC

11 Jan 13 at 2:12 pm
One doesn’t care to know how one found that picture, JC.

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 2:14 pm
(Comes complete with Monk outfit for when he is alone in the Tonecave, and glow in the dark safety vest for when he is out to impress.)

You really do like tropes which allows you to bash catholics with some sectarian bile, don’t you Steve?

Token

11 Jan 13 at 2:16 pm
“the ‘extreme weather event’ called summer”

That’s a strawman argument, Sinclair. It isn’t the summer that is the event, it’s the heatwave that according to the BoM:

if you look at its extent, its duration, its intensity, it is arguably the most significant in Australia’s history

Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013. Since we’re 11 days in, that’s an extreme weather event.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 2:16 pm
Gab

I stuck it on ebay to sell and I’ve received two bids so far. On from the slapper and the other from Stepford.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 2:17 pm
Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013. Since we’re 11 days in, that’s an extreme weather event.

It would be great to get some evidence to back that up.

Token

11 Jan 13 at 2:20 pm
Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013. Since we’re 11 days in, that’s an extreme weather event.

Have any records been broken? I haven’t heard the record for the hottest temp in Australia or any of the states being broken.

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 2:21 pm
I expect the brisk sales of the Tony Abbot action man to lefties to be mainly about having a physically manifest representation of the man that spends so much time, rent-free in their heads. They will kid themselves that buying an action figure will free them from having to obsess about him, morning, noon and night.

It’s like when John Howard used to do his morning walks. The lefties were so obsessed with him that they used to follow him around. He really owned their heads, and still does.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 2:22 pm
I expect the set of “Tony Abbott: Action Man” action figures and outfits I have in development to be hot sellers at Catallaxy.

It’s time for your lot to admit you are intimidated by masculinity based on your personal inadequacies.

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 2:23 pm
Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013. Since we’re 11 days in, that’s an extreme weather event.

Wow. This is breaking new levels of stupid. It’s as stupid as ‘the last ten years are the hottest on record, so global warmening and stuff’.

Imagine. In a country where the new year starts 9 days after the summer solstice, that the first part of the year is hot.

I reckon I could program a leftie-talking bot. All you would have to do is insert random statistics, and it would start shooting them out like those tennis ball cannons. Hot day! Cold Day! Wet Day! Windy Day! [in robot voice] all my data prove global warmening. repent and turn off your lights! Hot day! Wet Day!

and so on, ad infinitum.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 2:26 pm
if you look at its extent, its duration, its intensity, it is arguably the most significant in Australia’s history

More like the one hundred or so years of recorded temperatures. But what’s a billion years here and there.

Harold

11 Jan 13 at 2:30 pm
Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013.

really? what about in 1702? What about in 1697?

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 2:32 pm
I’ve just always found the fawning on this site over the Abbott “action man” image very silly, John Mc. (To be honest, I can never quite work out how much self mockery there might be in candy’s oft repeated admiration for him.)

He hasn’t quite reached the Putin levels of image spin, but sometimes in the last 12 months he’s come pretty close.

A politician who takes a morning walk for exercise is about as active a politician as I ever want to see.

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 2:32 pm
We’re suffering from global warming. Meanwhile Jerusalem is experiencing “fierce climate change” with the coldest temp in 20 years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57563258/rare-snow-shuts-down-jerusalem/

It’s actually amusing that there are morons taking this stuff seriously.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 2:33 pm
Well, this may come as a shock to you all, but the last eleven days can be proven to be the hottest days since 2013.

And global warming doesn’t exit?!! Ignorant luddites!

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 2:33 pm
Manhood has always adversely impacted on you Step.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 2:35 pm
Funny how days of the weather has now become “climate”. Weren’t the climate alarmists admonishing this practice a few years ago? “It’s not about the weather, stupid, it’s about the climate!!”

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 2:35 pm
A politician who takes a morning walk for exercise is about as active a politician as I ever want to see.

No wonder there is a certain level of admiration for a certain politician with a very comfortable seating arrangement.

People who are unhealthy and overweight love to hate on those who keep themselves in shape. It’s a particular sad mix of hate, envy and self-loathing. Unusual to see an outbreak this close to the start of the new year, when the perpetually lazy are usually kidding themselves that they have the willpower to get back into shape.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 2:35 pm
“Have any records been broken?”

From the BoM latest media release:

Assistant Director of Climate Information Services, Neil Plummer, said the heatwave had broken national records. This is consistent with the trend of an increase in extreme heat events associated with climate change.

“On Monday the average maximum daily temperature record for Australia was broken at 40.33°C. The previous record, 40.17°C on 21 December 1972, was held for 40 years. The daily average maximum temperature yesterday (8 January 2013) is a close third at 40.11°C.

“The number of consecutive days where the national average maximum daily temperature exceeded 39°C has also been broken this week—seven (7) days (between 2–8 January 2013), almost doubling the previous record of four (4) consecutive days in 1973,” said Mr Plummer.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 2:36 pm
The way the media change the meaning of words really shits me,it use to be hot ,then it was heat wave now it’s super bloody hyper heat wave. It’s like fat then obese now morbidly obese

Tal

11 Jan 13 at 2:36 pm
“Imagine. In a country where the new year starts 9 days after the summer solstice, that the first part of the year is hot.”

The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 2:37 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Yes it is. 1988 and 1998 were also scorchers with a lot of fires in 1988.

“Have any records been broken?”

From the BoM latest media release:

They recently threw out a heap of data when third parties called for an audit.

.

11 Jan 13 at 2:44 pm
Yes it is. 1988 and 1998 were also scorchers with a lot of fires in 1988.

I think that like you Dot, I lived in country NSW during those years where it is not unusual to be above 38 degrees for 2 weeks straight during a heat wave.

The fires were fierce those years.

Token

11 Jan 13 at 2:46 pm
The bush fires are being reported with more than a trace of relish by the usual suspects in the spirit of never allowing a serious crisis go to waste.
While the IPCC claim that over 50% of the GT rise since 1950 is most probably due to human caused CO2, there is no evidence that CO2, human or otherwise, can cause bush fires for as we all know CO2 is used as a fire suppressant.
The majority of bush fires in settled areas are caused by human activity and about 50% are started deliberately or in suspicious circumstances.

manalive

11 Jan 13 at 2:49 pm
Does CO2 cause arson? Discuss.

.

11 Jan 13 at 2:53 pm
I should add that human inactivity like not clearing scrub and not judiciously burning off is also a cause.

manalive

11 Jan 13 at 2:55 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Ahhh! Not the normal kind of hot! The end of the world is nigh!

I guess we will all have to move to the Northern Hemisphere where the last few years they have experienced “not the normal kind of cold”.

MattR

11 Jan 13 at 2:56 pm
OIC. It’s 38 degrees this afternoon in Melbourne.

Probably explains a certain crankiness here today.

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 2:56 pm
Being in Melbourne? Yeah, that would give you the shits with all those speed cameras and a socialist government!

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 2:57 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but no states have broken their temperature records, have they? It’s just the ‘National Average Record’?

Does anyone have information about the methodology of how that’s calculated? Same sites, no statistical manipulation?

I’m not doubting it’s been hot, but it’s Summer. Last Summer in Adelaide the MSM claimed “it’s the hottest start to the year EVAH!!!” on 4/1/12 when we had 3x 40C days in a row.

I also heard that we broke record for National Average Phone Number. Just about as useful.

MattyB

11 Jan 13 at 2:59 pm
Cool change starting to hit Melbourne. It’s already dropped down to 29deg where I am.

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 2:59 pm
Meant to be 31c in Perth today but currently hovering around 26. People are sporting overcoats and scarfs.

Infidel Tiger

11 Jan 13 at 2:59 pm
if you look at its extent, its duration, its intensity, it is arguably the most significant in Australia’s history

Since modern shore-to-shore records were kept!

Like, back in 1979 or something.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 3:00 pm
I’m still surprised that SE QLD tends to be cooler than many of the southern cities.

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 3:01 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

I bet that’s what they’re saying in Bangladesh.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-10/80-dead-as-temperature-hits-record-low-in-bangladesh/4460004

A cold snap which saw temperatures drop to 40-year lows in Bangladesh has killed around 80 people, officials said.

I guess we’re adapting better. Maybe we need an equitable, redistributive tax to eliminate the externality of cold weather in Bangladesh and impose a a Pigouvian, user pays fee on solar and wind power?

.

11 Jan 13 at 3:01 pm
Super heat wave, broken all records, worst evah!

Sure.

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 3:01 pm
On Monday the average maximum daily temperature record for Australia was broken at 40.33°C. The previous record, 40.17°C on 21 December 1972, was held for 40 years.

This is a bullshit metric that has never been pushed into prominence before. How relevant is it given that there are more new weather stations in the hottest parts of the country? Given the BoM’s form on manipulating data and records, their latest pronouncements need be taken with a proverbial truckload of salt.

The outback Queensland town of Cloncurry originally held the record for the highest known temperature in the shade in Australia, at 53.1 °C (127.5 °F) on 16 January 1889. Cloncurry is a small town in northwest Queensland, Australia, about 770km west of Townsville.

The Cloncurry record was later removed from Australian records because it was measured using unsuitable equipment (that is, not in a Stevenson screen, which only became widespread in Australian usage after about 1910). According to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, the current heat record is held by Oodnadatta, South Australia, 50.7 degrees Celsius, occurring on 2 January 1960.

Inconvenient facts get dumped in the memory hole. With this sort of logic, all sorts of inconvenient facts such as Sturt’s exploding thermometers can be ignored.

Cold-Hands

11 Jan 13 at 3:03 pm
If the BOM contends that the national average maximum daily temperature is on the rise they should be happy to show us a plot over time of that particular statistic.

They could show us the maximum achieved in each given year or the average for all days in the year.

This is much more credible than blowing a horn because the record was exceeded. Plot over time.

Unfortunately for me I can only plot individual stations…

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/

BTW, Greenhouse theory tells that cold temperatures are impacted more than warm temperatures. The nights and winters are where the fingerprints of enhanced Greenhouse are to be found (Skeptical Science agrees with this). But of course no one is going to panic about cold winter nights being warmer.

Harold

11 Jan 13 at 3:07 pm
I’m still surprised that SE QLD tends to be cooler than many of the southern cities.

SE QLD is superior to the rest of the country in every way, now including the State Government, as well as the weather, willingness of attractive young women to wear bikinis to shopping centres and the distinct lack of communists.

Except for Pinkenba. That place is a sewage pit.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 3:11 pm
I know someone will have said it – but Steve from Brisbane & your comments regarding the action figures – your a fucking moron! Really, is that the best that you can come up with? No, please don’t answer the question – I’ll just settle with you being a brain dead dick that continues with the normal lefty spin!

Excuses to everyone else for my bad language…

Dianne

11 Jan 13 at 3:15 pm
SE QLD is superior to the rest of the country in every way,

It’s full of Victorians and slapheads.

Real Queenslanders wouldn’t go near it in a Hazmat suit.

Infidel Tiger

11 Jan 13 at 3:17 pm
Guess I’ll put you down for a set of three, and throw in the “Boy Poodle” sidekick figure for free, then, Dianne.

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 3:18 pm
Real Queenslanders live in towns where the currency is rum and you impress your neighbours by hanging a barra frame of the street sign to boast of your latest haul. Everyone is called Shirley or Bruce. They are unisex names.

Infidel Tiger

11 Jan 13 at 3:19 pm
How much has the atmosphere been carbonised thanks to these fire? My guess is a China day’s worth, or maybe two. Tony Abbot’s fault for not putting out the fires already, of course.

Supplice

11 Jan 13 at 3:23 pm
Real Queenslanders wouldn’t go near it in a Hazmat suit.

Them’s fightin’ words lad. A 10 minute walk and I have access to some of the best surfing beaches in the world, a small lake where people are fly fishing, a river of crystal clean water replete with fish, a teeming nightlife a short drive away, the place is replete with gorgeous women from many countries, a number of educational institutions(many of which are crap but anyway), and the people are even friendly. So bugger off all you southerners. It is mine, all mine!

John H.

11 Jan 13 at 3:25 pm
Excuses to everyone else for my bad language…

D, be out guest. He has that affect of people.

Absolutely no need to apologize when letting off steam at a leftwing bed wetting turd.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 3:26 pm
So bugger off all you southerners.

I’m a Sandgroper. There are only two places on this godforsaken sandtrap worth a pinch of shit: WA and Qld. The rest is a sewer of unimaginable stench.

Infidel Tiger

11 Jan 13 at 3:28 pm
A cold snap which saw temperatures drop to 40-year lows in Bangladesh has killed around 80 people, officials said.

I guess we’re adapting better. Maybe we need an equitable, redistributive tax to eliminate the externality of cold weather in Bangladesh and impose a a Pigouvian, user pays fee on solar and wind power?

But, but dot, i thought the bang was underwater because of the massive sea rises? Are those fuckers under a sheet of ice now?

This, Australia is hot in summer proves the global is proof to me that every single left wing idiot posting such comments on this thread ought to receive a life time ban from here.

Comments and intelligence funny discourse occurs here until these morons show up and low the IQ by half.

Get rid of the entire lot of them. Fucking useless dickwads.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 3:35 pm
oops….the global warming…

JC

11 Jan 13 at 3:36 pm
BOM’s

average maximum daily temperature record for Australia

is a bullshit concept. However one could compare the averages of an identical set of stations. Is that what BOM has done? They don’t say. And even this exercise would be compromised over time by the urban heat island effect and development in the proximity of of weather stations.

Steve of Ferny Hills

11 Jan 13 at 3:37 pm
Cold weather watch…

18 dead so far in US flu outbreak.

Death toll from Australian Super Hyper Freak Sooper-Dooper Catastrophic Extreme Impolite summer: 0.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 3:40 pm
2012 was a scorcher, but was it the warmest year ever?
A report released this week by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA) called it “the warmest year ever for the nation.” Experts agree that 2012 was a hot year for the planet. But it’s that report — and the agency itself — that’s drawing the most heat today.

“2012 [wasn't] necessarily warmer than it was back in the 1930s … NOAA has made so many adjustments to the data it’s ridiculous,” Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, told FoxNews.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/10/hottest-year-ever-skeptics-question-revisions-to-climate-data/#ixzz2HdfpI9rD

It’s a reasonable bet the BOM is up to the same shenanigans.

Walter Plinge

11 Jan 13 at 3:44 pm
It’s full of Victorians and slapheads.

Real Queenslanders wouldn’t go near it in a Hazmat suit.

Look, I’ll grant you that SEQ has had it’s problems in the last decade or so. It’s also had a big influx of southerners. But I repeat myself.

Once the union loving commies can be sent back down south and take their bedwetting green fetishes with them, things should improve, including the ability to fish the open water, fell a tree and have an open fire, and drink in the bars properly. You never know, with enough white-faced sandal wearing Victorians sent back home, maybe you’ll even be allowed to harass the odd dead whale without fear of provoking Gaia into sending fires to Bribie Island.

Things are definitely on the improve though – 2013 brings about the very real prospect of ridding the state of the few remaining federal ALP politicians. I’ll raise a XXXX to that!

brc

11 Jan 13 at 3:45 pm
BRC, I’m with you brother but… no to raising a XXXX. I haven’t drunk that wild camel’s urine for years.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 3:48 pm
I think we need progressive tax changes to minimise the effects of warm weather.

Reduce the GST on ice cream and ice lollies.

Rum and ~~reason~~ sorry raisin will do for me.

Folks, I think we could be on a winner but only if we have more than one flavour.

Rum and Reason

11 Jan 13 at 3:48 pm
I think we need progressive tax changes to minimise the effects of warm weather.

Reduce the GST on ice cream and ice lollies.

Rum and reason sorry raisin will do for me.

Folks, I think we could be on a winner but only if we have more than one flavour.

Rum and Reason

11 Jan 13 at 3:51 pm
Cold weather watch…

18 dead so far in US flu outbreak.

My kid has it right now.

FLU ‘EPIDEMIC’ DECLARED IN NYC

If she’s worse tomorrow, wifey is going to see her ASAP.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 3:52 pm
Good, good…..the large cohort of self employed tradies of my daily acquaintance, whose Liberal voting waxes and wanes with the handouts, are impressed. Much banter re the Labor beta male front bench more at home at a day off Union picnic than actually doing something around fires.

Augers well, but the tradies are easily bought.
$5000 for ‘having a nose payment’ and Julia has them.
Thank god we can’t afford it.

Alfonso

11 Jan 13 at 3:54 pm
Hey Steve

Will there be a Barbie Doll figure of Ms Gillard – any plans in the pipeline? need some feminine assistance with the clothes and shoes and handbag design?

candy

11 Jan 13 at 3:55 pm
I haven’t drunk that wild camel’s urine for years.

There was once an even worse beer than XXXX – Brisbane Bitter. For some strange reason Carlton & United have brought out a limited edition of the stuff.

Dr Faustus

11 Jan 13 at 3:59 pm
Will there be a Barbie Doll figure of Ms Gillard

Yes, but it keeps falling over onto its back and the legs just wont stay together.
Mine has the speech function removed.

jumpnmcar

11 Jan 13 at 4:07 pm
BOM’s

average maximum daily temperature record for Australia
is a bullshit concept. However one could compare the averages of an identical set of stations. Is that what BOM has done? They don’t say

Indeed, until they publish the algorithm and its data inputs, along with results of the same technique applied to previous heatwave years in the 1930s and 1890s, then this is to be taken with boulders of salt.

Previous shenanigans by BoM and their UK and US counterparts are leading to an erosion of faith, but their response is denial, cover-up or manipulation.

David ’52C’ Jones from BoM, with his purple patch this week, is our latest bit of sneaky deceit. Some ‘quality journalists’ were sure taken in by it though:

The 50 to 52 degrees air mass over Australia is the hottest on record

There was no such air mass recorded..

Lazlo

11 Jan 13 at 4:08 pm
How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

.

11 Jan 13 at 4:08 pm
Even by the BOM’s own press release, averaged for each state, none of the days in this 2012/13 armageddon heatwave have exceeded the maximum daily average previously seen in each state (Table 3).

So really, what we’re seeing is a wider geographic spread of heat than normal.. but nothing particularly excessive.

duncanm

11 Jan 13 at 4:14 pm
Sorry wrong thread

.

11 Jan 13 at 4:15 pm
candy, I do find the sewing of the tiny red speedos required for the “Triathlon Tony” outfit very tricky.

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 4:15 pm
I expect the set of “Tony Abbott: Action Man” action figures and outfits I have in development to be hot sellers at Catallaxy.

If it comes complete with a semi automatic rifle or a machine gun, I’d buy a few for the kids.

boy on a bike

11 Jan 13 at 4:16 pm
jumpnmcar wrote Will there be a Barbie Doll figure of Ms Gillard

Yes, but it keeps falling over onto its back and the legs just wont stay together.
Mine has the speech function removed.”

How can it fall over with such a low centre of gravity?

Steve of Glasshouse

11 Jan 13 at 4:17 pm
When I was a teenager Boxing day was the time of the North Narrabeen SLSC carnival and it was always hot. These times Boxing day is cold and miserable in that part of Sydney. Confirms Sinc’s note that present summers are coolish.

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 4:18 pm
“candy, I do find the sewing of the tiny red speedos required for the “Triathlon Tony” outfit very tricky.”

Gab and I are here to help, Steve, don’t fret.

I’ve got a really neat idea for an outfit for the “Real Julia” model, if you’re interested …

candy

11 Jan 13 at 4:19 pm
Gawd, there does indeed exist a Julia Gillard doll
http://www.smh.com.au/national/seoul-honours-fraulein-gillard-20101110-17nra.html
That’ll get Monty excited, but I don’t think it comes in an inflatable version..

Steve of Glasshouse

11 Jan 13 at 4:20 pm
Will there be a Barbie Doll figure of Ms Gillard

How can it fall over with such a low centre of gravity?

Perhaps this would be more accurate figure?

Gab

11 Jan 13 at 4:20 pm
I’m sure if BOM include temp reading of 500-700 deg of recorders that are on fire due to arson, then yes, the average would be a record.

jumpnmcar

11 Jan 13 at 4:20 pm
I always thought XXXX bitter was cat’s piss as well. But a while back I went out with a corn fed country bred young ~~honey~~ lady whose family had a working property out near Inglewood. After a trip out there to meet the fam I was working with her father doing fencing and it was bloody hot. He was an enormous bloke and clearly decided he was going to put me through the ringer as I suppose any protective father might do to his daughter’s suitors.

We came back in the late afternoon and they had a big Queenslander but everything was hot. The ground was hot, the walls were hot, there was no way to escape radiated heat even as the sun set. It was dusty. They decided to throw some steaks on the barbecue.

Then the father (Dave) gave me a XXXX bitter. Not being sure if anything else was on offer I just decided to drink it. And then I understood. The tangyness is perfect in hot weather. It quenches your thirst. It means if the beer gets a little warm (I guess in the old days when there was less refrigeration) it still refreshes. It makes you feel better quickly.

From then on I realised it had its place, specifically when working in QLD or the outback, but I guess people have slowly moved away from living and working in those environments as much, and everything has air conditioning so people aren’t not in the condition where they’d think it tasted good.

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 4:25 pm
So really, what we’re seeing is a wider geographic spread of heat than normal.. but nothing particularly excessive.

In other words less cloud across the continent, little or northerly winds, in the middle of summer.

This is what is being trumped up. Fme dead.

Meanwhile the Asian landmass is freezing to death.

candy, stop sewing speedos.. we have an order for 1000′s of clown suits and red noses.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 4:29 pm
candy, I do find the sewing of the tiny red speedos required for the “Triathlon Tony” outfit very tricky.

God, you’re a mincer.

Abu Chowdah

11 Jan 13 at 4:34 pm
I once worked with a man who smoked Camel and drank Brisbane Bitter. We all thought that made him a legend of some kind, we just weren’t sure what kind

Tracey

11 Jan 13 at 4:39 pm
I once worked with a man who smoked Camel and drank Brisbane Bitter.

That’s a man’s man.

C.L.

11 Jan 13 at 4:42 pm
He was German and rarely spoke to anybody C.L. The man was a complete enigma.

Tracey

11 Jan 13 at 4:46 pm
Will there be a Roxon doll with unwashable hair and a handbag? Or a Swan doll with fake hair and keeps knocking his head forward as he speaks?

David

11 Jan 13 at 4:47 pm
He was German and rarely spoke to anybody C.L. The man was a complete enigma.

Tracey, he didn’t look like this by chance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJ8_3oumBI

John Mc

11 Jan 13 at 4:49 pm
Tracey
He was possibly lying low as a result of an international warrant for WW2 war crimes.

JC

11 Jan 13 at 4:50 pm
Yep, the BOM’s brand new metric of national average temperature is a crock of shit, along with the new colour on the weather maps, clearly designed to prop up its failing “we’re all going to fry” mantra.

The BOM’s temperature records are a disgrace, but just to make sure, they keep adjusting them to support the CAGW narrative. Lots of stuff at Jo Nova’s and various other sites (see her links) about that.

National average temperature is meaningless anyway. It is calculated according to when and where they have weather stations, adjusted if they don’t like the numbers, and put through a mysterious “algorithm” which they have not shared. This is apparently ‘state of the art’ science.

In between cleaning out the Augean Stables of the ABC, SBS and CSIRO, an incoming Coalition government needs to wipe all the ‘climate change’ parasites out of the BOM and let them get back to their real job – short-term forecasting, and accurately measuring and recording what actually happens.

johanna

11 Jan 13 at 5:01 pm
Catastrophic.
The buzz word of the moment.
Settle down George. Its called weather, sometimes hotter than usual, sometimes cooler, sometimes dryer, sometimes wetter.
But only fools think they can control it.
Wrong.

Rob theredneck

11 Jan 13 at 5:03 pm
Put a broad base on a Gillard doll and it can appeal to (certain) adults too.

Harold

11 Jan 13 at 5:15 pm
candy, I do find the sewing of the tiny red speedos required for the “Triathlon Tony” outfit very tricky.

It is impossible to sew neatly when you are very, very excited, Stevie.

Gab and Candy are being far too kind. Go and take a cold shower and lower your expectations.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

11 Jan 13 at 5:21 pm
Ok here we go. A couple of interesting charts here.

Recall what I said before about colder temperatures being impacted more by Greenhouse warming than warmer temperatures (of course you do).

Summer maximum temperature anomaly – Australia (1910-2011)

Winter maximum temperature anomaly – Australia (1910-2012)

[not sure why endpoints are diff]

Very clear upward trend in the latter. Next to no observable trend in the former.

Why don’t they tell us winters are getting warmer? All the focus is on Summer.

Harold

11 Jan 13 at 5:28 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

FFS – that is quite possibly the most singularly, staggeringly stupid comment evah posted on this blog.

Well done that eunuch.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 5:38 pm
Harold,

five bucks to a dime that reflects the urban heat island effect.

duncanm

11 Jan 13 at 5:44 pm
was it JC who kept saying that university has ruined Jarrah? he’s gone down hill rapidly. his discussions with dot and mk were interesting once, but now his comments border on ridiculous.

he’s at m0nty level for bullshit.

harrys on the boat

11 Jan 13 at 5:50 pm
“I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country.”

It’s funny how if you point out to warmists that the planet stopped warming years ago, they break out in chorus ‘not stat-ist-ically sig-nif-i-cant, not stat-ist-ically sig-nif-i-gant’.

Yet a few days of warm weather is apparently not just significant but irrefutable evidence of dangerous human-induced global warming. The degree of cherry-picking, confirmation bias and just plain straw -clutching of the alarmists is truly hilarious to behold. Do any of these people even realise what fuckwits they seem to those of us who are more sensible? Or do they just enjoy annoying people.

Monkey's Uncle

11 Jan 13 at 5:53 pm
I remember back in 2004 Monbiot and Christopher Hitchens were on Lateline discussing Michael Moore’s film ‘Fahrenheit 911′. During the discussion Monbiot mentioned that in Moore’s film there is footage of George W Bush addressing an audience and saying something along the lines of “the people here are among the wealthiest and most powerful Americans, or what I like to call ‘my base’”. Monbiot cited this as some kind of damning admission from Bush.

Of course the quote was taken out of context. Hitchens had to explain to Monbiot that in America they have a tradition where presidential candidates appear at a particular venue and make jokes about themselves. In the same forum Al Gore said “I invented the internet”.

Typical obtuse lefty, with no sense of humour, and assuming Michael Moore is a reliable and honest source on anything.

Monkey's Uncle

11 Jan 13 at 6:04 pm
Hmm yes, all of those Nascar fans at the $20 000 a plate dinner..

.

11 Jan 13 at 6:07 pm
I hope Tony Abbott’s volunteer firefighting work helps Australians see him in the proper light now, rather than through the nasty slurs of gillard/mcternan.

I would’ve hoped so too, Candy, but here in SA, our local rag, The Advertiser, buried Mr Abbott’s (very short) story and (very small) photo in his fire fighting gear on the bottom of page 11.
So much they hate him.

If Tim M had suited up, or if the PM herself had whipped up a batch of scones, it would’ve been front page news. (Oops, am I now a misognyist for wondering whether Julia would make scones? Frude cake maybe?)

Robbo

11 Jan 13 at 6:21 pm
From then on I realised it had its place, specifically when working in QLD or the outback, but I guess people have slowly moved away from living and working in those environments as much, and everything has air conditioning so people aren’t not in the condition where they’d think it tasted good.

This man gets it.

XXXX Gold these days is good if you want to put in a serious day of drinking but don’t actually want to get drunk.

Besides, a good friend of mine used to work at the Castlemaine brewery in Milton. We had to drink it out of solidarity. A good cold XXXX smashes hot days like today over the boundary.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 6:26 pm
FFS, headlines on Channel 9 tonight is about the heatwave. Slow news day i guess. Should i be cynical now that cityfolk give a shit about some tinpot redneck outpost of civilisation getting hot in summer? Oh, i forgot, they get to imply global yawning. For a nanosecond i thought they gave a shit about actual people who suffered from extreme heat every summer or so. I didn’t think old people dying from the heat mattered, considering they dare to listen to Alan Jones and co.

The Beer Whisperer

11 Jan 13 at 6:26 pm
ITT – people calling me stupid, but not having a single argument. Feels good, man.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 6:36 pm
A rundown of heatwave deaths in Australia: January 1896 – 437 people died; January 1908 – 246 people died; February 1921 – 147 people died; January 1927 – 130 people died; January 1939 – 438 people died; February 1959 – 105 people died; January 1973 – 26 people died; February 1981 – 15 people died; February 1993 – 17 people died; February 2004 – 12 people died.
Whether any of the pre-war heat waves were hotter, longer or broader, no one will know for sure until and unless a future coalition government orders a full independent audit of BOM raw data and ‘adjustments’.
What is undeniable is that the death tolls are declining because of our fossil fuel based prosperity.

manalive

11 Jan 13 at 6:38 pm
” Gillard promised an end to Extreme Freak Catastrophic Super-Dooper summers.

She said the carbon dioxide tax would encoolen the globe. ”

Well, she’s right, it has encoolened Russia quite a lot, her heartfelt home.

hzhousewife

11 Jan 13 at 6:39 pm
How do the QLDers rate Powers Bitter?

Bernie Powers is mine host at Weipa’s Albatross Hotel.

The deck overlooking the Gulf is a great place for a sundowner or seven.

Steve of Ferny Hills

11 Jan 13 at 6:40 pm
Best beer made in Queensland is Bundabergs Ginger Beer, made alcoholic by mixing with Bundy Rum, called Dark and Stormy,

Tator

11 Jan 13 at 6:44 pm
http://danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_907216/bundaberg-dark-stormy-345ml

Tator

11 Jan 13 at 6:45 pm
Nah JC, he wasn’t old enough to be a war criminal. I hadn’t thought of him in years until I saw the reference here to Brisbane Bitter. Gave me a good laugh. Beer o’clock here now. Not BB though I can assure you!

Tracey

11 Jan 13 at 6:46 pm
The link above doesn’t include the Black Saturday fires when 173 people died.

manalive

11 Jan 13 at 6:53 pm
XXXX Gold these days is good if you want to put in a serious day of drinking but don’t actually want to get drunk.

I vehemently disagree. XXXX Gold is swill. Spent a coupla hours yesterday arv with some ex workmates. Two and half hours, three schooners and three pints of Gold later I felt simply bloated.

I would have much preferred better quality and less bulk. Maybe Budvar Czech Lager?

Steve of Ferny Hills

11 Jan 13 at 6:53 pm
people calling me stupid, but not having a single argument.

You weren’t just (correctly) referred to as stupid, you gonadless shitsack.

Duuuhhhh, a normal Australian summer isn’t normal, duuuuuhhhh, because me, me, me and other ignorant lying halfwits bleat that it’s not, duuuhhhhhh…

Go and get some neuticles, you pathetic piece of excrement. They might give you some reason to feel good about yourself (though I doubt it).

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 6:54 pm
Moonbat the Groveller:

I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country.

Sigh. pommies are so stupid.

And here’s Abbott’s response.

Mk50 of Brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 6:56 pm
I haven’t had a nip of Stones Green Ginger in beer for a long time. I used to like that. Probably makes even XXXX drinkable.

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 7:00 pm
Any response to Moinbot is a waste of resources. Just let him bathe in his own reflected stupidity.

Pickles

11 Jan 13 at 7:02 pm
A year or so ago, I had a spoonful of ice cream, then took a sip of beer, and thought the taste in my mouth was not bad.

I later secretly tried making a beer spider in the kitchen. It wasn’t too bad, but not good enough to try again.

I can’t remember now whether my wife saw me doing this or not….

steve from brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 7:05 pm
Actually, Monty, Tony Abbott did not say the “science of climate change is “crap””, but don’t let facts get in the way.

Speaking in July 2009, Abbott told the ABC’s 7:30 Report that though he thought the science of climate change was “highly contentious” and that he thought that the economics of an ETS was “a bit dodgy”, He later said in Beaufort, according to local paper, that “The argument is absolute crap… However, the politics of this are tough for us….” (referenced entry in Wikipedia here).

That the science is contentious is unchallengeable with many hundreds of respected scientists disagreeing with the catastrophic and anthropogenic characterisation of Climate Change (see open letter from 125 scientists to UN – for the latest evidence). Whether you believe they are right or wrong, it is contentious.

That the ‘argument’ is absolute crap – is not necessarily attacking the science, the ‘argument’ to a politician is the whole chain of science, the suggested mitigations and the political methods of achieving them – almost all of which are absolute crap, whether the science is correct or not. IPCC committee is crap, it hasn’t practiced science for decades, argument for taxing carbon is crap, because it wont work, especially if only Australia and EU do it, arguments for renewable energy subsidies are crap, because they are just rent-seeking and lying about their efficiency and viability. I could go on, but you get my drift.

MichaelC58

11 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
Probably makes even XXXX drinkable.

Its all relative. Here in the land of Tooheys the cognoscenti used to drink VB. When I moved to Qld XXXX was heaven by comparison.

Fortunately we now have Bluetongue to expunge the taste of Tooheys Draught from my brain.

Bruce of Newcastle

11 Jan 13 at 7:43 pm
Wyndham WA. 1947. 342 consecutive days minimum temperature of 94″far. Guinness book.

IanB

11 Jan 13 at 7:53 pm
I would have much preferred better quality and less bulk. Maybe Budvar Czech Lager?

Now, I’ve posted before about the absolute superior quality of the original Czech pilseners.

But it’s horses for courses. XXXX on a hot day next to the bbq works well.

brc

11 Jan 13 at 7:54 pm
David O’Byrne, Tasmanina Government minister just on Their ABC News saying that 80% of the land affected is privately owned. So hazard reduction was their responsibility, nothing to do with the government.

Meanwhile, from a Dunalley farmer: “But what’s the point of that now when the hills and trees they told me I couldn’t burn off, because there were protected eagles and swift parrots there, are now all burned and the fire it created was so hot we had dead swans dropping out of the sky?”

Blame the victim. Greenfilth scum, just scum…

Lazlo

11 Jan 13 at 7:55 pm
Fortunately we now have Bluetongue…

Bruce, I can purchase a slab of Bluetongues from Zombie Parrotville Cellars for $38.

That’s what I call value.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 7:59 pm
Steve

comments on him making a beer spider with beer and icecream???? (cracked)

“I can’t remember now whether my wife saw me doing this or not….”

If she had seen you she would no doubt have thought nothing more than you were totally pissed and had lost your marbles

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:00 pm
even a cab sav spider would be better than a beer spider and still it sounds pretty disgusting.

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:01 pm
VB is the preferred tipple by the people here before the English invaded this place.

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 8:06 pm
Candy says

Will there be a Barbie Doll figure of Ms Gillard – any plans in the pipeline? need some feminine assistance with the clothes and shoes and handbag design?

Well Candy you have to make a skirt that is pencil line and the bottom of the doll has to be about twice the width of th bust of the doll, and the doll has to tilt forward from the waist when it is in walking position and one shoe should be on and the other off…
The shirt which is worn with the pencil skirt must have some flaps up around the neckline somehere (skirt must come unflatteringly to just below the knee and be conservative with no style, so she looks like any woman who just stepped off a train at Wynyard etc)

The ankles must be on the fat side I think.

Handbag should definitely be whatsisname the hairdresser? Or maybe Slipper or perhaps Uncle Eddie?

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:09 pm
How cool is the shape of that 1958 Edsel??

My god – all cars these days have had the imaginative visual design ripped out of them by the wind tunnel.
They all look the damn same.

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:14 pm
I think Im in the wrong thread.
Anyway here it is – the 1958 Edsel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3WkKAbt9F8

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:18 pm
“Well Candy you have to make a skirt that is pencil line and the bottom of the doll has to be about twice the width of th bust of the doll, and the doll has to tilt forward from the waist when it is in walking position and one shoe should be on and the other off.”

Gee Alice, you might get me into trouble with Steve from Brisbane now and it’s so lovely to see him back!

candy

11 Jan 13 at 8:23 pm
Until the smothering embrace of OH&S stopped it, Castlemaine used to hold a media yaksmas party at their Milton facility.
The word epic doesn’t properly convey the level of awesomeness appropriate to a well run piss up in a brewery.

lotocoti

11 Jan 13 at 8:24 pm
“They all look the damn same.”

They do indeed. There’s not much style or glamour in cars, just a sleek boringness, no matter how upmarket they are.

candy

11 Jan 13 at 8:27 pm
I can purchase a slab of Bluetongues … for $38

Local guys made good (and Singo – but he has the midas touch) sold out to CUB and CCA for a motza.

VB is the preferred tipple by the people here before the English invaded this place

But they found kangaroo urine was better. Still is.

Bruce

11 Jan 13 at 8:33 pm
Back in the 1980s compamy parties used to be a lot more fun tham mow…

since then the noise police, the anti smoking priests, the do gooders, the booze bus, fewer fringe benefits amd the dull economy has just ruined it all!!

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:36 pm
Candy

” just a sleek boringness, no matter how upmarket they are.”

so true!

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:39 pm
Candy
we will never see a car like this again!

http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/401004,16976/1959-Lincoln-Continental-Mark-IV_photo.aspx#photo

Alice

11 Jan 13 at 8:52 pm
we will never see a car like this again!

In a word – Magnificent.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 9:00 pm
I think I’ve gotten under your skin, Rabz. Feels good, man.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 9:13 pm
Having grown up in a far-west arid environment, I can recall that the aircon, such as it was, didn’t get turned on until the temp (in those days) was over 80F (about 28C), it was merely hot at 100F/39C, and I distinctly recall sitting on the pavement outside the pub in the main street as a kid where they had a thermometer up on the wall, and saying to my friend it was pretty damn hot that day at 115F/46C. But it was no big deal. There was a swimming pool in the town.
Our Sydney aircon hasn’t really worked well for most of the past twelve years, and last january we got a quote but passed on it, and this year we’re still going ok by closing up the house during the day. Fans are good, and use less electricity. We get a 9-10C degree difference inside by passive means.
All this heat crap is just more alarmism. I recall sitting in a school room in February (decades ago) with sweat dripping onto the desk for no other reason than it was bloody hot, even indoors.
As for the fires, I blame the non-interventionalist, green loopiness associated with everything forest, vegetation, and especially National Parks – the new danger.
What’s changed? Attitudes._

blogstrop

11 Jan 13 at 9:30 pm
Local guys made good (and Singo – but he has the midas touch) sold out to CUB and CCA for a motza.

Actually no. They sold it to Fosters for a continued share of the royalties thinking their distribution network would be rivers of gold. Since then Fosters has buried the brand and made it worthless. Its market share is a quarter of what it was a few years back. They got played.

Infidel tiger

11 Jan 13 at 9:30 pm
They do indeed. There’s not much style or glamour in cars, just a sleek boringness, no matter how upmarket they are.

Happens when you model their shapes in a wind tunnel.

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 9:30 pm
Jarrah, I’ve always thought you were only here to be annoying, while trying to look a bit camouflaged.

blogstrop

11 Jan 13 at 9:30 pm
Wyndham WA. 1947. 342 consecutive days minimum temperature of 94″far. Guinness book.

Did it cross a year?

If you look at the way the BOM phrased that record it assumes summer in Australia does not cross the end of a financial year and would count that as 2 separate events.

Token

11 Jan 13 at 9:33 pm
…the end of a calendar year…

Token

11 Jan 13 at 9:34 pm
Just thinking but Monbiot’s snide remark is really more of the same – lefties always attack the messenger and never the message.

Since this has been recognised for quite a long time, I wonder if accusing one’s opponents of genocide, if one is a lefty, could be ever considered factually correct?

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 9:46 pm
I think I’ve gotten under your skin

No, dick head – but you have provided us all with a priceless quote that will be hauled out whenever you spew your pretentious bollocks on this site:

The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

That quote being the most singularly, staggeringly stupid comment evah posted on this blog*.

An emasculated, narcissistic eunuch attempts to describe a typical Australian Summer and fails, spectacularly.

You will not be allowed to forget this, you insufferable, pompous prat.

*Befuddled fish seekers notwithstanding…

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 9:47 pm
Your bile is a balm, Rabz. Keep it coming, please.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 10:13 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of balm, dick head.

As you will see.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 10:30 pm
That quote being the most singularly, staggeringly stupid comment evah posted on this blog

What about that thing I said the other day that Adrian said was the stupidest? Am I not number one anymore?
It is a competition right?

Ooh Honey Honey

11 Jan 13 at 10:30 pm
It is a competition right?

What was the comment to which you refer?

And the commenter – not my ol’ sparring mate from about 18 months back?

Could it be any more ridiculous than claiming a normal Australian summer is anything other than normal?

It’s hardly as it people are freezing to death, FFS.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 10:34 pm
Well it probably won’t stay hot for much longer. La Nina forming again, looks like. More & stronger La Ninas occur during the cold phase of the PDO, which we’re in. Although NOAA’s models don’t think so. Yet. Do I believe their models or do I believe my lying eyes?

Bruce

11 Jan 13 at 10:36 pm
Bruce,

The point being it’s not the normal kind of La Nina.

These are La Ninas where everyone freezes to death, in high summer.

Any other eventuality wouldn’t be ‘normal’.

Rabz

11 Jan 13 at 10:40 pm
Bruce:

La Nina forming? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

El Nino forming? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Gets hot in an Australian summer? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Gets cold in a northern winter? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

There’s been a storm? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

There’s been no storm? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Glowball is warming? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Glowball is cooling? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Bobby Brown’s got an aching freckle from a night of buggery? Obvious AGW, and the solution is close all industry and hand all money and power to the greenfilth.

Mk50 of Brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 10:59 pm
“Seems like a sound backing up of Monbiot’s argument. Science, it works!”

No, it’s historical revisionism of the temperature record. Countless examples abound.

The Beer Whisperer

11 Jan 13 at 11:18 pm
“claiming a normal Australian summer is anything other than normal?”

What’s funny about this exchange is that quite early on I pointed out that it isn’t normal. Apparently you think a record-breaking heatwave is normal, and that calling a record-breaking heatwave abnormal is:

quite possibly the most singularly, staggeringly stupid comment evah posted on this blog.

The irony, I assure you, burns like the sun.

Jarrah

11 Jan 13 at 11:33 pm
What record breaking heatwave, Jarrah?

This is a perfectly normal event.

Oh, you mean the new BOM descriptor. It’s bollocks, based on computer models and a raft of assumoptions, not on empirical data. And most of the measurement data they do have has been corrupted by warmies inflating the temperature by specious adjustments.

Youa re not normally this gullible. Sh*tFerBrains I expect gap-toothed window-licking credulous gullibility from. You, not so much.

Mk50 of Brisbane

11 Jan 13 at 11:44 pm
Jarrah

Otherwise known as short term memory.

Not encountered this in your uni studies?

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 11:46 pm
“Eight of Australia’s 20 hottest days have been in 2013. Since we’re 11 days in, that’s an extreme weather event.”

Bullshit.

Prove it.

The Beer Whisperer

11 Jan 13 at 11:51 pm
Jarrah,

given that the recent temperatures might be unprecedented, so what?

The poor old Greenlanders still can’t grow their sustainable crops where they used to during the MWP.

Do you think that maybe we should wait until they can grow their crops, or does this fact assume an inconvenience for your dogma?

Louis Hissink

11 Jan 13 at 11:52 pm
“Oh, you mean the new BOM descriptor. It’s bollocks, based on computer models and a raft of assumoptions, not on empirical data. ”

I’m reasonably certain it’s based on thermometers, Mk50 of Brisbane. Maybe you have access to information we don’t, and want to enlighten us?

“Otherwise known as short term memory.”

Louis Hissink, that’s a heck of a non sequitur.

“Bullshit. Prove it.”

The Beer Whisperer, any figures I post you will dispute, as fraudulent or erroneous, regardless of source. There’s really no point.

“given that the recent temperatures might be unprecedented, so what?”

Nothing much, Louis. See my very first comment.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 12:08 am
What’s funny about this exchange is that quite early on I pointed out that it isn’t normal. Apparently you think a record-breaking heatwave is normal …

You fucking moron, what part of: “we are experiencing a normal Australian SUMMER” are you too fucking stupid to understand, FFS?

My god, you are an extraordinarily dimwitted, psuedo intellectual pillock.

Back to your doctored ‘records’, you gullible imbecile.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 12:15 am
Oh and BTW, you insufferably smug sanctimonious deadshit, how on earth are humans able to alter the climate of the planet again?

Especially in the short term.

Do tell, we’re all hanging on your regurgitation of the latest (and not so latest) psuedo scientistic bullshit.

E.G.:

“We can only be saved by taxing air”

“You give all your assets and anything else you own to the greenfilth (or else)”

“You toil all day in a labore camp”

Etc, etc, etc.

You. Fucking. Moron.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 12:28 am
Tone’s a CAGWarming believer, otherwise he wouldn’t be proposing to waste money to encourage/force commerce to abate CO2 emissions.
Tone can fish and call the concept crap or he can cut bait, was there ever a pollie more terrified of the MSM than our Tone?

Alfonso

12 Jan 13 at 12:30 am
Oh and BTW, you insufferably smug sanctimonious deadshit, how on earth are humans able to alter the climate of the planet again?

Especially in the short term.

Dancing.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 12:41 am
Thanks for the new Open Thread, Squire!

Oh, wait…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 12:41 am
Rabz

Settle down. You’ll get your open fred when the owner decides.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 12:46 am
Dancing.

Oh, mee loinses!

~~Surpluseses~~ Deficitses for evah!

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 12:46 am
Australia has never had a hotter summer than the one it’s having this year.
[n.b. - debatable]

Australia has never had more taxpayer-funded renew balls than they have this year.

Renew balls cause catastrophic man made global warming.

Discuss.

sdog

12 Jan 13 at 12:48 am
Oh, my argument is a non sequitur.

OK Jarrah, put it.

Louis Hissink

12 Jan 13 at 12:49 am
I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about …

sdog

12 Jan 13 at 12:52 am
Some perspective for George:

Australia’s most lethal natural disaster, the Victorian heatwave of 1938-1939, killed 438 people. On top of that, there were the Black Friday bushfires of January 13, 1939, which destroyed nearly 5 million acres, and affected three quarters of the state. Almost as lethal was the Big Heat of 1895-1896. which killed 437, and 47 in Bourke alone. Cyclone Mahina in 1899 is estimated to have killed 401 people. Our next most lethal natural disaster was another heatwave – 246 perished in 1906-1907. After that comes a list of cyclones and heatwaves, all occurring long ago, with the exception of the Black Saturday fires of 2009, which killed 173 people. We live in a dangerous place called Australia. Black Thursday, Victoria, 1851, possibly the world’s worst known inferno, and the horror El Nino of the early 1790s should have convinced us all of that. By George.

Robert

12 Jan 13 at 12:54 am
Discuss.

Renew balls obviously aggravate the positive feed back loop which in turn causes a sudden warming of the lower troposphere thereby increasing the amplification by a factor of 3.1468 * 3,67902098 (decimalize to make it appear sciency and in fact the more decimal points the better it looks).

With the temp increase in the lower troposphere there is also a knock on effect with more visible hotspots so we see record weather in Asia and much warmer temps across Australia.

Dog, you ought to know this shit man. Everyone does.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 12:56 am
And are we all feeling charitable after getting ” flood taxed” last time round. Personally, any charity fund with the word premier in it is now toxic to me. Thank you ALP

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Jan 13 at 12:58 am
Strange – the usual suspects here bow down to St Dawkins, meaning that humans are the natural apogee of undriven purposefuelness, and yet, in breathless contradiction, propose we are alien and responsible for the immolation of Gaia.

Oh woe!

Louis Hissink

12 Jan 13 at 12:58 am
Seriously, a PhD in climate science has to be shit easy.

just make all the shit up and put it in science lingo. You could lift something about liver transplants, add in a couple of sentences mentioning amplification, hotspots, positive feed back loops, evidence of polar melt in the winter and you have a PhD.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 1:00 am
Dog, you ought to know this shit man. Everyone does.

d’oh … sorry dude

sdog

12 Jan 13 at 1:08 am
As previously mention last week, but now being picked up by the MSM ($):

AS Australians sweltered through a record-breaking summer heatwave this week, one of the world’s leading scientific bodies revised down its five-year projection for the world’s average temperature. The revision, slipped quietly into the public domain on Christmas Eve by Britain’s Met Office, has fuelled a significant and growing debate about what exactly happened to global warming.

On one analysis, the forecast confirms what many people have been saying for some time. Global warming effectively stopped 17 years ago and, if the new forecast is accurate, that “pause” will be extended to 20 years.

…But the release of the data – and the way in which it was released – has fuelled a strong reaction. David Whitehouse, of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the new prediction challenged the assertion that the underlying rate of change of global warming was unchanged.
…
“It will show that the previous predictions that were given so confidently as advice to the UK government and so unquestioningly accepted by the media, were wrong, and that the so-called sceptics who were derided for questioning them were actually on the right track.”

…For the sceptical, the Met Office’s near-term predictions are coming home to roost. In 2007, it predicted that by 2014 the global average temperature was expected to have risen by 0.3C compared with 2004, and that half of the years after 2009 were predicted to be hotter than the current record hot year in 1998.

“Given that we have data for three of the five years of that period, and all show no departure from a constant temperature when analysed statistically, this is a prediction that will probably be totally wrong,” Whitehouse said.

We can look forward to our “Climate Commission” releasing another report today. We can confidently expect more hyping of our alleged “record breaking heat wave” and its causation by the dreaded Glowball Worming. Even when faced with the reality of their latest data and forecasts, the Met Office claims that Global warming is still happening, with heat being “trapped in the world’s oceans”. This despite ARGO shows no such thing. Clearly the Lysenkoist perversion of “Climate Science” will not be expunged without a root-and-branch pruning of all these bastions of the warmening religion.

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 1:08 am
JC, I suspect the climate union will be calling you.

Louis Hissink

12 Jan 13 at 1:11 am
When was the last time a temp record was broken during summer?

dover_beach

12 Jan 13 at 1:13 am
But I worked that out during the 1970′s during undergrad study –

Louis Hissink

12 Jan 13 at 1:14 am
Most of the arty farty useless degrees are obtained by analysing the bias of the lecturers.

Steve of Glasshouse

12 Jan 13 at 1:30 am
Thank you MichaelC58 for clearing up about Abbot being misquoted by intellectually dishonest and disingenuous arseholes.

face ache

12 Jan 13 at 3:42 am
And a morning laugh brought to you by the Climate Commission.

Australia getting hotter with greater risk of heatwaves: Climate Commission

Hot weather in Oz in summer is climate change, unmentioned record snowfall in the Northern Hemisphere is only a puzzling anomaly and if you don’t agree we’ll make you watch Inconvenient Truth again.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 7:08 am
Hot enough for ya?

Pickles

12 Jan 13 at 7:08 am
“AS Australians sweltered through a record-breaking summer heatwave this week”

Sorry, EPIC FAIL!

A heat wave by definition is an extended, continuous period of hot days. It can’t fit into a week! And when else is it going to occur than in the summer?

John A

12 Jan 13 at 8:23 am
The “national average” concept was used back in 2005, that’s the earliest reference I can find.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/archive/temperature/20051018T.shtml

The guy who usually speaks to the press is Blair Trewin but back in 2005 he was only a “climate meteorologist” but since 2005 he has been promoted to “senior climatologist” which is how he should be addressed if you have questions.

The “national average” comes from the ACORN-SAT dataset which is a homogenized dataset having been put through a process very similar to what your milk goes through. In the case of milk, you have to wonder how much permeate you are buying, but with homogenized climate data you have to worry about the adjustments you are buying. If you search around on “ACORN-SAT” you can find various opinions about the quality of their data (such as people reporting minimum temps high than maximum temps). I personally don’t have the time to go through that with a fine tooth comb, but I did read about the BOM adjustments in Darwin and I have never been able to find an explanation of why those adjustments were inserted.

Most of the auditing is being done by volunteers by the way, so anyone interested in working hard for no money should get involved.

Tel

12 Jan 13 at 8:35 am
A long and involved read on ACORN-SAT data, including typo tracking and evaluation of the claims that BOM make about the quality of the data.

http://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/acorn-sat-a-preliminary-assessment/

You can post comments, ask questions, etc.

Tel

12 Jan 13 at 8:52 am
Has the Climate Commission got hold of a copy of the operations manual of the ‘Ministry of Truth’?

dianeh

12 Jan 13 at 9:28 am
Tel: thanks for putting up Ken’s link.

Ken and the boys are into this latest bit of fabrication by the BOM; as well as being a completely new indice the national average [sic] computed by the BOM DOES NOT MATCH the mean of all their official ACORN temperature stations which when averaged gives a figures several degrees lower than the 40.33C touted by the BOM.

That’s several degrees lower.

This is the fucking pits; those grand institutions, the BOM and the CSIRO, now appear to be green activist fronts.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 9:42 am
Tel: take a step back for a minute.

If the conspiracy theories about the fiddling of the historical temperature record in a deliberately biased way to support AGW is true, where is any “whistleblower” who has worked for the Bureau who has come out and said “Sure, we all knew that we had to adjust the records in one way only. I objected to this, but then I got the cold shoulder and I had to resign.”

How friggin likely do you think that a deliberate policy of only compiling temperatures in one direction is going to stay hidden, not just in this country, but in New Zealand (where skeptics lost a court case on the issue) the US, Britain, and God knows how many other countries’ weather bureaus which have been involved in such local or global efforts?

I haven’t even mentioned Muller and BEST reanalysis, which concluded that yes, the researchers had done a pretty good job with their adjustments. Watts supported that effort, remember, until he got the wrong answer.

The continual insistence that there is an unreliable temperature record that is being manipulated despite independent efforts of the likes of Muller confirming otherwise just shows that denialists love conspiracy theories more than they do common sense, not to mention science.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 9:50 am
I haven’t even mentioned Muller and BEST reanalysis, which concluded that yes, the researchers had done a pretty good job with their adjustments. Watts supported that effort, remember, until he got the wrong answer.

You’re a lying little turd; you have been told about Muller and his hijinks here.

And there are whistleblowers but after Spash, Watson and Doug Lord all the good little indians are keeping a low profile.

The BOM is cooking the books; fullstop.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 9:56 am
The BOM is cooking the books; fullstop.

And cohenite, who demonstrated in a thread earlier this week that he has no proper understanding of the carbon cycle, will go to his grave believing this conspiracy theory.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 9:59 am
“A heat wave by definition is an extended, continuous period of hot days. It can’t fit into a week!”

From Wikipedia:

A formal, peer-reviewed definition from the Glossary of Meteorology is:[4]

A period of abnormally and uncomfortably hot and usually humid weather.

To be a heat wave such a period should last at least one day, but conventionally it lasts from several days to several weeks. In 1900, A. T. Burrows more rigidly defined a “hot wave” as a spell of three or more days on each of which the maximum shade temperature reaches or exceeds 90 °F (32.2 °C). More realistically, the comfort criteria for any one region are dependent upon the normal conditions of that region.

How did you put it, John A? That’s right – EPIC FAIL.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 9:59 am
“The “national average” concept was used back in 2005, that’s the earliest reference I can find.”

In the media release I referred to above, mention is made of the previous record national average maximum temperature – 1972.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 10:01 am
cohenite: Spash criticised carbon trading schemes; Watson works on sea level rise.

Where’s a whistleblower on the Australian temperature record? Go on, you deluded wannabe scientist who has fooled yourself into thinking you even understand Knorr properly.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 10:04 am
After living in all the states of Australia, except for Tasmania, my advice is to drink what the locals drink. There’s a reason they drink XXXX Bitter in Qld, Emu Bitter in WA, ManLady in Boat in the NT, etc. It matches the climate. (So far no has been able to describe the NT climate, so they get Chateau Cardboard.)
This is also the best reason I’ve ever heard of having about 25 states based on geographical/climate lines.

Winston Smith

12 Jan 13 at 10:06 am
“The BOM is cooking the books; fullstop.”

Correct Cohenite. The Libs need to get together little teams of about five researchers who go through the published CSIRO and BoM papers so that D+1 of an AbbottAbbottAbbott government can clear these nests of opportunists and liars from the body politic.

Winston Smith

12 Jan 13 at 10:13 am
In the media release I referred to above, mention is made of the previous record national average maximum temperature – 1972.

Find it.

I repeat, when you average the ACORN sites, which is the official BOM nation temperature network you get an average several degrees cooler than the figure the BOM announced.

Jarrah and the rest of the fuckwits should go off and do their own sums; I’m sure one of them can count.

And cohenite, who demonstrated in a thread earlier this week that he has no proper understanding of the carbon cycle, will go to his grave believing this conspiracy theory.

I was pretty sure I hadn’t misunderstood Knorr steve but since you were quoting from such impeccable sources as Cook’s site I went to the horse’s mouth, Dr Knorr himself and asked the questions. It turns out I was right and I will have an article about which source, humans or nature is likely causing the increase in atmospheric CO2 up soon.

In the meantime NCTCS website has a post up on Knorr and the issue of atmospheric CO2 sources [for some reason I can't link to NCTCS.]

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 10:14 am
So, cohenite, when you write your “article” are you going to run it past Knorr so that you are sure he will be happy you have got it right?

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 10:20 am
So, cohenite, when you write your “article” are you going to run it past Knorr so that you are sure he will be happy you have got it right?

That’s an idea steve. You see, when you want to be constructive you can be; it’s just when you’re a dickhead that you say stupid things;unfortunately, you are a dickhead most of the time.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 10:26 am
Jarrah said:

“A heat wave by definition is an extended, continuous period of hot days. It can’t fit into a week!”

From Wikipedia:

A formal, peer-reviewed definition from the Glossary of Meteorology is:[4]

A period of abnormally and uncomfortably hot and usually humid weather.

To be a heat wave such a period should last at least one day, but conventionally it lasts from several days to several weeks. In 1900, A. T. Burrows more rigidly defined a “hot wave” as a spell of three or more days on each of which the maximum shade temperature reaches or exceeds 90 °F (32.2 °C). More realistically, the comfort criteria for any one region are dependent upon the normal conditions of that region.
——————–
Did you read that Wikislop before you posted? Anything from Wiki on climate is tainted by Connolley and his pals anyway, but for goodness sake – “to be a heat wave, it should last at least one day” – hahahahaha – (wipes tears from eyes) – and the crap that comes after it is nonsense as well.

As the great philosopher Effie said: “How embarrasment.”

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 10:26 am
Having a peer review your work = good.
Having sfb repudiate your work=good.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 10:28 am
Heat waves depend on wind direction.
Can’t see how co2 effects wind direction.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 10:32 am
So, cohenite, when you write your “article” are you going to run it past Knorr so that you are sure he will be happy you have got it right?

Stepford, you still linking to realbeta.org?

JC

12 Jan 13 at 10:32 am
To be a heat wave such a period should last at least one day

We almost had a “heat wave” yesterday with temps reaching 30deg but a cool change kicked in around 3pm. We did have a real “heat wave” last week when the temperature reached 40 deg for one day.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 10:34 am
39 deg, not 30 deg.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 10:35 am
“”To be a heat wave such a period should last at least one day”"

It’s like when colliwobbles win one game and the faithful say ” they’re on a streak!!!”

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 10:41 am
That’s just mean.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 10:43 am
cohenite – even when your “CO2 increase is from nature” argument has been run at WUWT, there are heaps of people in comments who respond “So what happens to the Gt of CO2 humans put in the air each year?”

What is your answer??

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 10:56 am
“We did have a real “heat wave” last week when the temperature reached 40 deg for one day.”

That would be a period of abnormally and uncomfortably hot and usually humid weather (the GoM definition) in some places, but not in Melbourne during summer.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 10:59 am
Just to clarify; Dr Knorr was asked whether the notation on Figure 1

Figure 1. Observed atmospheric CO2 increase derived from direct measurements, taking the average of Mauna Loa (Hawaii) and the South Pole (thin solid line), and two ice cores: Law Dome (dashed thin line) and Siple (dotted thin line). This is compared to total anthropogenic emissions (thick solid line) and 46% of total emissions (thick dashed line).

referred to the AF in respect of the amount of 46%; it did; and whether the amount of 40% derived from Dr Knorr’s methodology could be substituted for the 46% which was a preliminary estimate; it could.

40% would mean the thick dashed line would be slightly lower. The importance of this is this; 60% of the ACO2 is being absorbed by the expanding sinks leaving ~40% of ACO2 available to add to the increase in atmospheric CO2. As can be seen the increase in atmospheric CO2, as shown by the thin dashed lines and the thin solid lines is often well above the 40% of ACO2 which is the constant AF. Those times when the atmospheric increase in CO2 is ABOVE the AF line must mean the addition is being supplied by natural CO2.

That conclusion is mine not Dr Knorr’s.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
Three hot days in summer not hitting records, save for bogus forecasts, is a heatwave?

It’s hyperbowl.

.

12 Jan 13 at 11:06 am
Canada is about to get a Global Warming Induced Heatwave™.

Forecast temperature next week is so cold Dr Maue has run out of colours for it at -52 F below the winter average.

Meanwhile here Fairfax says:

SCORCHING temperatures that seared the Hunter on Tuesday are expected to pale in comparison with the heat of Saturday

This massive heat wave lasted, on my count, 3 hours. Cloud has just come over from the SW and temperatures are dropping.

No wonder Al Gore sold out to Big Arabian Oil, all good snake oil salesmen are born with antenna which tells them when to get out of town quick.

Bruce of Newcastle

12 Jan 13 at 11:08 am
It was interesting to note that Jarrah admitted last night at 12:08am he has no facts to back up his statements.

He stated he is afraid someone might contest his links as fraudulent & erroneous, so he “chooses” not to substantiate his statements (I.e. he knows he has no facts and his views are based on his built in prejudices)

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:16 am
David Karoly has no shame (nor does Their ABC):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-12/climate-commission-predicts-more-heatwaves-bushfires/4461960

“Professor Karoly says climate change has worsened this heatwave by extending it and increasing its intensity.

“What climate change is doing is worsening the conditions associated with heat waves so it makes them longer, it makes the intensity of the heat wave worse and together they lead to more frequent extreme fire danger days,” he said.

Australia’s average temperature has increased by 0.9 of a degree since 1910, and the report says small changes in average temperature can have a significant impact on the frequency and nature of extreme weather events.

Professor Karoly says, based on current projections of greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, the long-term outlook is even more dire.

“We are expecting in the next 50 years for two to three degrees more warming,” he said.”

—————————————-

Karoly’s quotes are interspersed with ABC text which accepts unquestioningly everything he says.

Hey Dave, how’s the retracted Gergis paper going, btw – the one that you co-authored and said would be resubmitted months ago, but which has apparently sunk without a trace?

And, in further Karoly news, I found out that he is on the board of a wholly subsidised Melbourne arts organisation called TippingPoint, who are using this years’s CO2 quota to fly to New York and participate in a lovefest:

http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2013/01/performing-arts-conference-in-new-york-to-address-climate-change/

“A Sunday, January 13, session, “Presenting a Climate for Change” in the Hilton’s Trianon Ballroom from 9 to 11 a.m., is to address how “the struggle continues to educate and assist communities to plan and take action” on climate change in the face of widespread impacts. Presenters at that session will demonstrate climate change arts-based initiatives in Brussels, London, and Melbourne. Planners say the session will “explore strategies that include creating new artist/science gatherings, funding streams, touring networks, commissioning, presenting, and touring new works” involving climate change.

Scheduled speakers for that session are Peter Gingold, Founder/Director, TippingPoint, London; Guy Gypens, Artistic Director, Kaaitheater, Brussels; program organizer Marda Kirn, Director, EcoArts Connections, Boulder, Co.; Theresa von Wuthenau, Coordinator, Imagine2020, Brussels; and Angharad Wynne-Jones, Director, TippingPoint Australia, Melbourne.

(h/t John Shade at Bishop Hill)

Ah, Melbourne, where the definition of an “artist” is po-faced social activism at public expense.

And Karoly is still a senior adviser from Australia to the IPCC’s AR5 report, currently being written.

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 11:17 am
“He stated he is afraid someone might contest his links as fraudulent & erroneous”

No fewer than four people have claimed that BoM’s figures are made up. So there really is no point in taking the time to build a case that refers people to the BoM, if they’re just going to repeat their paranoid conspiracy theories or arguments from personal incredulity.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 11:20 am
if they’re just going to repeat their paranoid conspiracy theories or arguments from personal incredulity.

Fuck off jarrah; you really are a sack of shit. I told you the BOM national average was higher than the average based on all their ACORN temperature sites; how is that conspiratorial.

Go and check it yourself and then come back with your tales of incredulity.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 11:30 am
Jarrah – In June NOAA got caught cooling the past by over 2 C. They forgot that stuff printed and archived is not so easily altered.

BoM does similar stuff.

BoM should be renamed to MoT.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 11:35 am
Right, so the BOM never ever get their “predictions” wrong, don’t over cook there statements and don’t try to sneak out corrections using slimy tricks to hide corrections.

We seen the ethics and track record do the mob you demand we all blindly follow over the past 10 years.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:36 am
Correction sorry, 3.1 F is nearly 2 C not over. I live in hope the US will go metric some day.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 11:38 am
Seems like you are struggling to deal with a crisis of faith with your Green religion Jarrah. We understand, It must be tough when your gravel idols are proven to be based upon a string of lies.

Why don’t you ask CL for some readings from people like St Augustine of Hippo on what to do in such dark days.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:39 am
James Dellingpole on how the Met took his well founded criticism seriously and adjusted their processes for the better with his feedback.

;sarc off; LOL, they got very defensive in the face of skepticism and had a childish sook about paranoid conspiracy theories.

Sound like a unrepentant dishonest person around here?

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:52 am
Bruce, of course, who has disproved AGW from his laptop in his spare time, obviously did not bother reading the NOAA explanation for the changes to the Arizona records, which were set out in length at Jeff Master’s original post.

Of course, being a dishonest polemicist who isn’t interested in promoting genuine understanding, Watts’ just cut and paste the parts of Masters’ post dealing with the temperature adjustment, and then spends no more than one sentence on saying “well they say the explanation is X”.

The explanation given by NOAA at length at Masters’ post is readily comprehensible, and makes clear that it is done in the interest of improving the accuracy of long term records.

But no, instead it’s supposed to be a conspiracy.

A sensible person might think to themselves “Gee – why don’t they make a better effort to hide their manipulation?” and conclude that the far more likely explanation is – they haven’t tried to hide anything; it’s simply your own leaping to conspiracy that is the mistake here.

And what’s the bet that there will be a similar answer to cohenite’s “Australian Average temperature” claim?

Go on cohenite – have you asked them politely to explain how its worked out? Or would you rather sit on your arse and accuse them of error or fraud from a position of ignorance?

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 12:09 pm
Bruce, of course, who has disproved AGW from his laptop in his spare time

You’ve rebutted those arguments in your innumerate, uneducated, tiny little mind.

Tallest dwarf wins.

.

12 Jan 13 at 12:19 pm
sfb, Bruce is a scientist, has been for over 30 years. He did not claim to ‘disprove global warming’, and the comments he makes are based on a tad more than noodling on his laptop. He has forgotten more about science (the real kind, not dodgy models and eco-lunacy) than you will ever know. I know who he is, and you are not fit to dust his computer, you fool.

Sorry, Bruce, if I speak for you here, but had to say this in case you were not around to refute this crap.

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 12:23 pm
Go on cohenite – have you asked them politely to explain how its worked out? Or would you rather sit on your arse and accuse them of error or fraud from a position of ignorance?

I like sitting on my arse; someone who should know once said it was pretty; that and dealing with trolls will keep me warm when warmth’s last gasp pales.

Seriously steve, you are a pain in the arse. BOM introduced the ACORN temperature network as the best and brightest. Yet it wheels out its latest metric which contradicts its best and brightest. How does that make sense.

And yes the additions have been done. The average of ACORN was several degrees less tha BOM’s national average.

Go and make your enquiries and report back.

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 12:27 pm
Rationalisation Steve is a problem for scientists. I know it well after 30 yrs in the science business. We were always at war with East Asia.

They know what side of the bread has butter on it.

I am amused that you admire my $600 laptop so much (which I can use to model quite large industrial plants on, but apparently in spite of evidence to the contrary, not Official Climate™). Especially when the UK Met Office’s supercomputer has just found exactly what my own model predicts. And that NASA has too. But you don’t read Dellers do you? Or what I say since I pointed out these findings to you on Thursday.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 12:41 pm
I’ll debate global yawning when alarmists can show some honesty with regards to the truth. when they stop adjusting temperature records and using such records to indicate greater warming than there really is, i’ll debate the science. It’s like organising a truce with terrorists who have no sincerity, who just want time to regroup for their next attack.

Climategate showed their dishonesty for all to see. Liars can’t be trusted. The power should simply be taken away from them.

The Beer Whisperer

12 Jan 13 at 12:43 pm
“I told you the BOM national average was higher than the average based on all their ACORN temperature sites; how is that conspiratorial.”

By suggesting that the reason they do so is conspiratorial:

The BOM is cooking the books; fullstop.

Jarrah

12 Jan 13 at 12:43 pm
So the science is settled and the stats prove it, then when does the carbon tax kick in to reduce the warming in Australia, as Labor introduced it specifically for that reason, it’s what they said on TV.
What year and what month does it begin to reduce temperatures in Australia and extreme events are curtailed.

candy

12 Jan 13 at 12:49 pm
Hey Stepford?

Dellingpole is saying that the BOM did a Xmas eve dump of predictions that countered their earlier alarmist tripe.

You know why they would do that on a day people aren’t around and don’t care about news?

Step?

JC

12 Jan 13 at 12:49 pm
You have to do better than to smear someone with “conspiracy” Jarrah, the BOM was to be audited and they threw the data out.

This is common knowledge.

.

12 Jan 13 at 12:50 pm
Steve from Brisbane
You mock Tony Abbott, well let me tell you everyone I know.even those of fleeting acquaintance down the street etc, would rather be in the trenches with an iron man used to volunteering and saving lives and showing loyalty and faithfulness to family friends and colleagues, than a soft bodied amoral self centred husband snatcher
The next election will confirm how widespread this opinion really is!

Jazza

12 Jan 13 at 12:50 pm
Candy

The CSIRO is predicting it will happen at 3.47 PM July 27 2023.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 12:51 pm
I was off reading the Wunderground post and finding some links.

I am intrigued that Mr Burt (not Mr Masters if you read the post Steve), who it seems rather likes extreme weather even if temperatures are not actually rising, apparently considers his now dead and incomprehensibly silent colleagues of the past to be incompetent. The dead are silent witnesses, as totalitarians have worked out many times in history.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 12:52 pm
How smart you are JC, thanks!

candy

12 Jan 13 at 12:57 pm
This isn’t fucking science. It’s outright fucking fraud

Let’s just remind ourselves of the key charges against the Met Office:

1. Since 1990, when it was taken over by the arch-warmist Sir John Houghton (founder of the IPCC), it has become so wedded to the cause of promoting the AGW “consensus” with the help of its dodgy computer models that it has grown increasingly out of touch with climate reality.

2. The dramatic warming it has been so assiduously been predicting these last few year simply hasn’t materialised. This suggests there is a major flaw with the AGW theory on which the Met Office has rather foolishly decided to stake its credibility.

3.

Rather than admit its failure publicly, the Met Office tried to adjust its forecasts by stealth – on Christmas Eve: a good time to bury bad news – and got found out, embarrassed and humiliated.

4. Its desperation to “prove” the existence of man-made global warming has had an unfortunate knock-on effect on its weather forecasting, which in recent years has grown unreliable – especially in the medium and long term forecasting range – because it uses the same computer models which predict CO2 induced global warming.

5. We pay £200 million a year for this useless quango. We deserve far better for our money.

6. The Met Office has not managed to defend itself against a single one of these key charges, preferring instead to do what it always does when criticised: deny, distract, obfuscate. The blog it has written justifying itself is no better than an arsonist standing up in court and saying: “Well I’m not saying whether or not I burned down all those buildings your honour, but it’s bleeding outrageous of Mr Delingpole to say I didn’t wipe my shoes on the doormats before I visited those premises: and I demand he retracts that outrageous allegation immediately.”

Amazinb… intrepid British scientists hanging around their offices on Xmas eve to do a press dump.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 1:01 pm
Steve, when NOAA climate scientists adjust for UHI why do they cool rural stations in the past not urban stations in the present?

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 1:04 pm
Where’s my heatwave?Ain’t in West Vic by the sea!
I live where we got a stinker last Friday week,temp was over 40 and the fan was in use ditto cool drinks all day and a warm night followed
it lasted all of 24 hours with bushfire danger accompanying the heat but— since then we have had mild days in the 20′s,with yesterday getting to about 28 degrees, the highest Today is overcast and coolish with a slight breeze.I reckon it wouldn’t be more than 22and I’m wearing a cardie

I almost want o beleive in the glowbell wormening fantasy for the sake of the c schoolchildren on their long holidays!
So far we have had two hot days this summer

Jazza

12 Jan 13 at 1:34 pm
Where’s my heatwave?

last Friday week,temp was over 40

There. You’ve had your heat wave now quit complaining.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 1:39 pm
Ooh no – they’ll be no mocking of Tony Abbott around this blog, hey Jazza. Might upset the natives or something.

candy – do you have to praise and compliment absolutely everyone on this blog? JC is a blowhard on climate change, as he is on most topics, but climate change in particular. He doesn’t really follow or care about arguments in detail – he’ll just listen to whatever “it’s no big deal” dude takes his fancy on the day, talk about scientists being beta males, and burble out some crap depending on how much shit on the liver he is feeling from moment to moment.

I therefore just ignore him on the topic for the most part. You would be wise to as well.

PS: notice how cohenite hasn’t answered the question – we know humans have been annually putting up Gt of CO2 annually for a 100 years or so. We know there has been a steady-ish increase in CO2 in the atmosphere over that time.

But cohenite thinks we can blame nature for the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere (maybe he believes in Plimers underwater volcanoes as the source – who knows?) But the thing is – what happens to the human emitted CO2 if it’s nature that supplying the additional CO2?

If we don’t assume that our CO2 is disappearing – the maths for the quantities going up and staying there work out pretty right (although exact carbon budgetting still has its uncertainties).

If you want to blame nature for the CO2 you have a much bigger problem. In fact, an insurmountable one, according even to a substantial body of people who comment at skeptic blogs.

But ideologically motivated skeptics are like that – they never concede a thing, and are prepared to repeat arguments again and again (and then when it suits them, deny that they aren’t unreasonable about the whole matter.)

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
Cool story, bro.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 1:41 pm
Gee, someone’s cranky today.

candy

12 Jan 13 at 1:44 pm
But ideologically motivated ~~skeptics~~ warmenistas are like that – they never concede a thing, and are prepared to repeat arguments again and again (and then when it suits them, deny that they aren’t unreasonable about the whole matter.)

There, FTFY.

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 1:49 pm
SfB QC. Stolen any bread today? Done the washing? Feeling a little let down now that your cult is falling apart?

Good call Candy.

Tiny Dancer

12 Jan 13 at 1:49 pm
Heh, heh, candy. Maybe he needs an iceblock and an afternoon nap.

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 1:51 pm
steve; look at Figure 1 from Knorr

What confuses you, apart from inate stupidity, is the top line which are ACO2 emissions; people like you look at them and say, “whoa bro, lookee that, we CO2 belchers are farting out much more than what is increasing in the air above, eh?!”

As I said the real relevant line is the lower thick dashed one which is the AF or the ACO2 left in the atmosphere; that is all that is available to cause increase; and it is contributing a bit.

But look at the atmospheric increase which is the thin line; it’s way above the AF line, isn’t it.

So, what the fuck is causing the amount of increase which is above the amount of the AF line, you complete idiot?

cohenite

12 Jan 13 at 1:52 pm
Sure Jazza……Tony’s a good man at home, no doubt.

Pity he’s also a CAGWarming believing, big govt, welfare Statist who refuses to promise unambiguously repeal of S18C.

Getting the problem yet, are you?

Alfonso

12 Jan 13 at 2:17 pm
Cany
SATP mught have been getting into the beer spiders again !!

Alice

12 Jan 13 at 2:59 pm
You slanderous douchebag, stepford.

I stay away from discussing the science, unlike you, because I don’t have a background in it.

I do however discuss the economics of glimate science and essentially adopt the style Lomborg of thinking about it.

You are unable to do either. You don’t understand the science as you have no background and you don’t understand the economics and such basic principles like trade offs.

moron.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 5:05 pm
My son came out of the public pool this afternoon and complained about the cold.

And this on the hottest day of the hottest heatwave in the hottest summer EVER. Idiots.

The Beer Whisperer

12 Jan 13 at 5:10 pm
“PS: notice how cohenite hasn’t answered the question – we know humans have been annually putting up Gt of CO2 annually for a 100 years or so. We know there has been a steady-ish increase in CO2 in the atmosphere over that time.”

The correlation is very strong, but the correlation that matters is CO2 versus temperature. According to the empirical evidence to date, the correlation is weak, yet the models include positive feedbacks. This is nothing more than an extension of the original scare of runaway global warming, turning earth into another Venus. But for that to happen, we must have unprecedented warming, otherwise it would already have occurred.

Steve, you could prove that humans have increased the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere, and it would still not prove catastrophic global warming.

The Beer Whisperer

12 Jan 13 at 6:39 pm
“No wonder Al Gore sold out to Big Arabian Oil, all good snake oil salesmen are born with antenna which tells them when to get out of town quick.”

Just take the big horse.

The Beer Whisperer

12 Jan 13 at 6:46 pm
Endorse nukes and hydro or GTFO…

wreckage

12 Jan 13 at 7:03 pm
Bunnings.

Checkout.

A melting 40C day outside, not much better inside.

Man, with door, in queue standing behind me.

“Oh. I see you have a door. A man with a door.”

He, “Yes, good price, too.”

Me, “Does that make you adorable?”

He, “I only wish it was that easy.”

****

Me too.

kae

12 Jan 13 at 10:40 pm
For cohenite (and his gullible followers), who for years has been thinking Knorr’s paper means there must be big and unaccounted for natural CO2 emissions. (The reason this suits his political arguments – well that would mean that human’s aren’t even responsible for the bulk of increased CO2…)

First argument: on another recent thread here, you put the argument that Knorr’s finding that the percent of human emitted CO2 which stays in the atmosphere has stayed pretty constant over the long term means that nature must be emitting more. Why? Because of an argument about “constants”: doubling CO2 in the atmosphere and maintaining the same proportion of it is from humans, the natural portion must have doubled too. Brilliant!

I pointed out that this argument only “worked” because you were getting muddled about what AF means – it does not refer to the atmosphere overall and is only relevant to the matter of how much human CO2 emitted each year will not be absorbed in a natural sink.

You denied this is what you were thinking, but it is absolutely clear from this explanation you gave of this “constants” argument in the Drum in 2011 that it is the mistake you were making:

You also need to do some homework John and read the Knorr paper. This paper shows that the % of ACO2 in the atmosphere has stayed the same or constant despite increases in ACO2 and CO2 so ACO2 cannot be responsible for the entire increase in CO2 levels.

This can be demonstrated quite easily, the principle is a constant in an increasing total: say ACO2 is 20% of CO2 which is 100, so ACO2 is 20; when CO2 is 200 ACO2′s 20% will be 40 so other or natural CO2 has contributed 60; at 300, ACO2 is 60, other or natural CO2 is 140 and so on; natural CO2 must be contributing to the increase in total CO2 and sinks must be expanding more than the increase in ACO2.

I have highlighted the error. Knorr is not talking about proportions of CO2 in the total atmosphere.

You’ve tried to bullshit your way out of acknowledging this error in the “constants’ argument, and in fact have tried to come up with a way to save face, which you’ve put forward in this thread.

Second argument: Knorr’s fig 1 shows measured CO2 increases which go up and down around the dotted line of 46% of ACO2, which is roughly the long term airborne fraction of how much ACO2 stays in the atmosphere. So when it’s above the line, you claim that must be naturally emitted CO2. It’s obvious!

No, it isn’t.

If you had bothered properly understanding the carbon cycle, instead of coming up with your own half arsed interpretations that suit you politically, you might have noticed passages like these in other papers on AF. First:

AF is a function of the biological and physical processes governing land–atmosphere and ocean–atmosphere CO2 exchanges, as well as the trajectory of anthropogenic CO2 emissions. The AF has a large interannual variability and has ranged from 0.0 to 0.8 since 1959 (Fig. 2A). This variability is mainly due to the responses of natural sinks, particularly land sinks (Fig. 1B), to interannual climate variability (e.g., from El Nin˜o/Southern Oscillation) and volcanic eruptions (10). Of the average 9.1 PgC y1 of total anthropogenic emissions (FFoss FLUC) from 2000 to 2006, the AF was 0.45; almost half of the anthropogenic emissions remained in the atmosphere, and the rest were absorbed by land and ocean sinks.

The IPCC has shown the same.

The explanation is that AF is averaged over time – it goes up and down from year to year, sometimes by large amounts.

Knorr’s figure 1 in the dashed thick line is not showing a measured AF for year to year – it is showing a constant 46% of total ACO2 to show how closely that matches the long term average of annual increase in CO2.

The measured CO2 in years where it is above the 46% line can therefore just be showing years where the AF was high – it can still comprise (mostly) ACO2.

Go on – email Knorr again and double check if I am right.

Then come back and admit your mistakes and apologise for calling people idiots for not following your crap arguments.

steve from brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:47 am
Yawn

JC

13 Jan 13 at 10:51 am
SoB, if I was you I’d be feeling like someone who has invested in a scheme watching it look more and more like a Ponzi ripoff as you see the big dogs cash out.

Your High Priest has sold out the faith for $100 million petro-dollars.

Now comes the latest news that Al has sold Current, for the magnificent sum of $500-million, $100-million of which is his alone. Not bad for a TV station with less reach and inferior programming to most billboards.

To whom did the Lord of the Upper Atmosphere sell? Why to al Jazeera — which is to say, effectively to the ruler of Qatar, a wealthy country that has nothing else to sustain it but the sale of its huge petroleum resources.

Qatar is about oil, oil and more oil. It is a global warmer’s hell.

…One other, not-to-be-missed note: Mr. Gore was very quick to make sure the sale took place before the New Year — the better to spare him, who is now one of the world’s superrich, his friend Barack Obama’s tax hike on those dreadful one-percenters.

…and the old Grey Bag Lady has closed its desk dedicated to the cult.

Inside Climate News – The New York Times will close its environment desk in the next few weeks and assign its seven reporters and two editors to other departments. The positions of environment editor and deputy environment editor are being eliminated. No decision has been made about the fate of the Green Blog, which is edited from the environment desk.

The Party is over.

Good to see you are still believing. Keep the faith dude.

Token

13 Jan 13 at 10:57 am
Stupid people like you, Token, think that what Gore gets up to is relevant to the big picture. It isn’t.

Next.

steve from brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 11:16 am
Not only did Gore used to be the next president, people like SfB would once have said he was highly relevant.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 12:19 pm

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