Open Forum: January 12, 2013 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: January 12, 2013

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January 12th, 2013 at 12:01 am

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jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 9:05 am
Be my enemy

Have I beaten Rabz to the first music clip?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:11 am
Am I fird?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 9:13 am
Don’t know, Mick. Do you have a hairy back?

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 9:15 am
Here’s one that Mk50 might like:
Guitars, cadillacs and hillbilly music from Dwight Yoakam, the man who took country music to a punk audience and re-made the genre.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:18 am
Lying in bed with a chest infection.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:18 am
At work 06:22

Woolfe

12 Jan 13 at 9:22 am
Cyclone Narelle gone, alert reduced from omg omg we’re all going to die, to run away run away.

Woolfe

12 Jan 13 at 9:27 am
Ars Technica demolishes Fox News hatchet job on NOAA, featuring Anthony Watts.

m0nty

12 Jan 13 at 9:27 am
Despite a “Clear Violation of the Law,” David Gregory Will Not Be Prosecuted.

It’s good to be a lefty in the media, above the law applies.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 9:28 am
Yep Gab, it’s one law for thee and another for me. Don’t tell me the USA doesn’t have a ruling class.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:29 am
Wishing you a speedy recovery, John C.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 9:30 am
Man’s best friend now has his own beer.

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Brewer_makes_a_hooch_for_pooches

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 9:32 am
Despite a “Clear Violation of the Law,” David Gregory Will Not Be Prosecuted.

It’s convenient when you get to arbitrarily decide when the law doesn’t apply.

Get better John C…

Fleeced

12 Jan 13 at 9:38 am
Thanks Gab, better than yesterday which I spent mostly in bed.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:42 am
Beer for dogs LOL

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:43 am
I’m guessing Puppy Boy will be excited.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 9:44 am
Hahahahahaha!!!

Ars Technica ~~demolishes~~ stuffs up an amateur hatchet job on Fox News ~~hatchet job on NOAA~~

Anyone can call themselves a journalist these days, even ruling party political arse-lickers like Monty, who swallow all the propaganda that’s fed to them.

Proper journalists hate being fed bullshit.

Tom

12 Jan 13 at 9:46 am
Oh yes, the Greens really care about the worlds poor and most vulnerable. Lets use food to run cars.

In a globalized world, the expansion of the biofuels industry has contributed to spikes in food prices and a shortage of land for food-based agriculture in poor corners of Asia, Africa and Latin America because the raw material is grown wherever it is cheapest.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 9:53 am
Jump,
Greens hate people, especially themselves.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:55 am
That makes no sense. They are growing suger cane because they can sell it and import more crop than they can grow.

There problem was that they banned food exports, which left most farm land to squatters who grew food. When then sugar cane subsidies came back the owners came back and grew sugar. The government created a situation where every poor person technically had no land, but still had use of land, then took all use of the land away.

It has nothing to do with sugar subsidies and is wholly a ownership problem of the land. After all if food is so highly priced why do they grow that instead of sugar farm? Because they get even more for the sugar. The country is net better off, it’s just most of the wealth is no going to a minority.

Mundi

12 Jan 13 at 10:05 am
Oh, the Greenfilth love starving children to death as long as they are black, brown or yellow untermenschen.

Oh, and poor. Let’s not forget poor.

After all, it’s more important to used biofuel derived from their food than it is, say, to let them eat it.

Who said Greenfilth are not racist scum well worth despising?

When a greenfilth says it’s “for the Children” let us realise exactly what they really mean.

It’s for the Greenfilth-desired purpose of killing them.

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 10:06 am
John
And our livestock, they wont let farmers protect them from fires.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 10:07 am
ABC News this morning have the doomsayers in the form of the Climate Commission’s David Karolly telling us that it is EXTREME….EXTREME I TELLS YA…now give us the dosh!

Sickening really.

Dianne

12 Jan 13 at 10:18 am
mundi
So you agree.
Governments legislation, based on green ideology, that distorts the market has a devastating affect on the poor.
Not so much the wealthy few.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 10:18 am
David Karolly telling us that it is EXTREME….EXTREME I TELLS YA

Yes, Dianne, “the point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.”

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 10:22 am
Looks like another climate related extreme event is going to hit Tasmania (from the SMH this morning):

As residents of fire-ravaged parts of the Tasman Peninsula finally get to return to inspect the damage to property and livestock, another quite different group is gathering in Hobart.

About 270 scientists, including 13 leading Australian experts, will start a week of meetings at the conference centre connected to the city’s Wrest Point Hotel Casino. The gathering marks the fourth meeting of lead authors for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s group examining the physical science of global warming.
The group is due to release its part of the fifth assessment report into climate change in September, with the other two groups – examining impacts of climate change and mitigation – scheduled to disclose their final reports in March and April next year.

The IPCC’s chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, will open the meeting’s plenary session on Tuesday.

Sisyphus

12 Jan 13 at 10:35 am
ABC News had the gall to drag Karoly out of his burrow this morning to receive more of his “claaarmate change” drivel.

It’s an opportunity for the ABC to shamelessly use the bushfires in an attempt to rehabilitate Karoly after his disastrous 2012 paper which required its withdrawal from the Journal of Climate. You know, the “unfortunate” data mistake..

Beyond disgrace.

James of the Glens

12 Jan 13 at 10:45 am
Listening to Powerline’s John Hinderaker’s podcast I picked an interesting saying:

Lefties see people as liabilities, the Right sees them as an asset.

He was referring to the attitude of the Green Left that every extra person other than the self on the planet is an extra mouth to feed and extra competition for scarce resources, so abortion & any means to reduce the competition is valid. Immigrants are extra moths to feed and reduce wages, but they are ok if they help you stack elections so you can redistribute wealth (I.e. ok in that case as low age gardeners, pool cleaners, etc)

So next time you hear a lefty whine about scarce resources, remember they are talking from a Moi, Moi, Moi perspective.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:00 am
Sisyphus
What a coincidence.Wow.
Wonder if the pyro arsonists that deliberately lit most of the fires wore WWF t-shirts.
If so I wouldn’t be shocked.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 11:01 am
“the point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.”

Brilliant, Gab!

There’s no way he’s going to live that down.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 11:01 am
Karolyn has made a lot of $$$$$ making crap up and scaring people. He is one of the great green hustlers and will fight dirty to keep the Green crony capitalism money train on the tracks.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
Bloody hell! Lardarse was just monodroning away on the radio – managed to get the remote before throwing something…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 11:03 am
Greens hate people, especially themselves.

John, they have good reasons to hate themselves, it’s just a bugger that they extrapolate their own desire to self harm on to others.

Rob

12 Jan 13 at 11:04 am
… another quite different group is gathering in Hobart.

At taxpayers’ expense, of course.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 11:06 am
Hey John C, here’s hoping you’re fully recovered by Monday, just in time to head back to the office.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 11:09 am
The ‘climate commission’ has already conducted a thorough, advanced scientific ‘report’ into last week’s weather.

A new report from the Federal Government’s Climate Commission says the heatwave and bushfires that have affected Australia this week have been exacerbated by global warming.

The report – Off the Charts: Extreme Australian Summer Heat – warns of more extreme bushfires and hotter, longer, bigger and more frequent heatwaves, due to climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-12/climate-commission-predicts-more-heatwaves-bushfires/4461960

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 11:10 am
Hotter, longer, bigger, worser worserous worserest…

Are there enough adverbs to support the scare-mongering? May have to invent more.

one old bruce

12 Jan 13 at 11:21 am
Give ‘em a break, Bruce. Last week all their ABC could manage was “CATASTROPHIC”.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 11:22 am
Bill sailed through Congress authorizing lifetime armed protection for anti-gun president.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/11/obama-gives-himself-armed-protection-for-life/

Guns for me, not for thee.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 11:24 am
Obama Signs Bill Giving Him Armed Protection For Life.

Despite launching a gun control agenda that threatens to disarm the American people, President Obama has signed a bill that would afford him armed Secret Service protection for life.

“The legislation, crafted by Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, rolls back a mid-1990s law that imposed a 10-year limit on Secret Service protection for former presidents. Bush would have been the first former commander in chief affected,” reports Yahoo News.

The new bill, which will cost American taxpayers millions of dollars, is a re-instatement of a 1965 law which will see presidents protected for life as well as their children up to age 16.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 11:24 am
Rabz,

I have already put in a week at the office. Now for another one. It sucks being sick on the weekend.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 11:24 am
Semi-snap!

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 11:25 am
Give us a song to lift my spirits Rabz

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 11:25 am
“Semi-”? Full on snap, slow poke.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 11:26 am
DRUDGE: Obama backed criminals’ right to kill and rape homeowners.

Obama Opposed Gun Ban Exception to Defend One’s Home.

As a state senator in Illinois, President Obama opposed legislation providing an exception to handgun restrictions if the weapon was used in the defense of one’s home…

The Illinois legislation was passed after a man who shot a burglar in his home was fined $750 by his town for disobeying its handgun ban. The absurdity and injustice of the situation doesn’t seem to have made much of an impression on Obama.

Just eight years earlier, in 1996, Obama answered “Yes” to a survey question asking whether he would support state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” The Obama 2008 presidential campaign claimed the form had been filled out by an aide who mischaracterized Obama’s position, even though Obama’s handwriting was found on survey.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 11:32 am
Along with 97% of Australia, Delingpole is on fire.

The New York Times – aka Pravda – has announced the closure of its Environment Desk. Rumours that the entire environment team, headed by Andy Revkin, have volunteered to be recycled into compost and spread on the lawn of the new billion dollar home Al Gore bought with the proceeds of his sale of Current TV to Middle Eastern oil interests are as yet unconfirmed.

It could well mean the end of headlines such as -

“Official: wind farms are brilliant for bats and rare birds, boosting their numbers by gazillions every year – says new research by RenewablesUK,” and “Global warming: why the latest evidence that it’s going down is sure-fire proof that it’s going up, says Met Office” and “How fracking poisons the water supply, steals food from the poor, encourages racism and causes baby kittens in wicker baskets to die in agony mewling for their mothers”.

GrantB

12 Jan 13 at 11:41 am
How fracking poisons the water supply, steals food from the poor, encourages racism and causes baby kittens in wicker baskets to die in agony mewling for their mothers”.

What? Fracking is responsible for all that? Can’t be. I’m told it’s all Abbott’s fault.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 11:45 am
Ars Technica should stick to electronics, which they’re pretty good at. When they start on climate they’re right up there with Cate Blanchett.

blogstrop

12 Jan 13 at 12:03 pm
Grant, “97%”, lol, I see what you did there.

In the Monbiot thread I recently posted some stuff about Karoly that might be of interest.

Oh, and here in the People’s Democratic Republic of the ACT, it’s currently almost 37C – although given that the BOM does the measuring, and the weather station is at the airport, we need to take it with a grain of salt.

Still, it’s damned hot, just like January usually is here. Thanks to aircon (the inventor deserves a posthumous Nobel Prize) my computer and I are quite comfortable, however.

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 12:11 pm
The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses, a leading Democratic senator said

The school safety initiative, one of several under consideration, would make federal dollars available to schools that want to hire police officers and install surveillance equipment

But wait… weren’t all those lefty pundits (including our very own Digital Dude) fully against such an idea? Indeed, did not many of them (not just in the US, but on this very blog) loudly procliam that any such idea could only come from the evil mind of an NRA shill?

Looking forward to the universal condemnation of Obama’s new plan from m0nty, SfB, Digital, et al in 3… 2… 1….

Brian of Moorabbin

12 Jan 13 at 12:22 pm
Good on you Johanna. As a member of a small oppressed minority of people in the ACT (ie people who can think for themselves and don’t automatically vote ALP or Green) you are more than welcome to join our occasional Canberra Catallaxy Collective drinks – usually at O’Malleys in town on Friday night after work. The usual suspects include Rabz, DD, Skuter and a few non Catallaxy commenters. We are a small but growing group. We range in numbers from 3 to 10 on a good night. Every now and then we go up market to the Realm.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 12:25 pm
Thanks, John. Let me know when the next one is – J

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 12:36 pm
Australia goes backwards on economic freedom, but still remains the third most economically free coutry in the world according to Heritage.

No wonder everyone in the West is going broke, the West is turning it’s back on the economic freedom necessary to create wealth.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 12:39 pm
Johanna,

Can do. Send me an email to [email protected] and I will get you connected so you get an invite to the next drinks.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 12:42 pm
The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses, a leading Democratic senator said

Huge win for the NRA.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 1:06 pm
Science: ‘global warming’ over, Andrew Bolt right.

AS Australians sweltered through a record-breaking summer heatwave this week, one of the world’s leading scientific bodies revised down its five-year projection for the world’s average temperature.

The revision, slipped quietly into the public domain on Christmas Eve by Britain’s Met Office, has fuelled a significant and growing debate about what exactly happened to global warming.

On one analysis, the forecast confirms what many people have been saying for some time. Global warming effectively stopped 17 years ago and, if the new forecast is accurate, that “pause” will be extended to 20 years.

Oxford University backs Abbott:

Professor Myles Allen, head of the Climate Dynamics Group at the University of Oxford, effectively said the revision provided a lesson in the dangers of spin.

“A lot of people… were claiming, in the run-up to the Copenhagen 2009 conference, that ‘warming was accelerating and it is all worse than we thought’. What has happened since then has demonstrated that it is foolish to extrapolate short-term climate trends.

Foolish meaning “crap.”

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 1:07 pm
Once again, I have to ask: are these real or fake? I honestly can’t tell.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 1:10 pm
Hey Jumpnmcar …..
I will see your bio-fuels and raise you carbon credit trees.

By the time we have finished planting out the third world’s arable lands with bio-fuel crops and Africans are trying to live off pinus-radiata bark it will be too late.
But, hey, our consciences will be pristine clean and clear.

Save the planet, but fuck the people on it.

Leigh Lowe

12 Jan 13 at 1:10 pm
If you haven’t seen it you really should not get too far into the new year without taking in Pat Condell’s take on the “Palestinians” and the racism of the West that nurtures them.

http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/stop-racism-before-it-is-too-late.html

Free international discussion on what is the nature of this global problem and threat thrown in.

Is it “Islam” or “Islamism”?

geoffff

12 Jan 13 at 1:12 pm
2012 Racist Liar of the Year

http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/racist-liar-award-for-2012.html

geoffff

12 Jan 13 at 1:13 pm
Right on schedule

Racists pretending to give a damn about the “Palestinians”. Welcome to the Australian Greens.

http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/racists-pretending-to-give-damn-about.html

geoffff

12 Jan 13 at 1:19 pm
How many arsonists come from public housing welfare villages? Most seem to be also on bail for previous offences.

stackja

12 Jan 13 at 1:20 pm
Washington Post admits that Ben Shapiro beat up Piers Morgan to within an inch of his life:

And Piers Morgan struggled to find the appropriate strategy for dismissing Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com and a foe of extraordinary polemical agility.

Shapiro should coach Tony “Um Ah Um” Abbott. That’s exactly what you do with lefty interviewers: beat them over the scone immediately, leave them stunned and reeling, accuse them (correctly) of bias and then sit back and watch them fulfil your accusation (which they inevitably will because they’ve scripted an entire interview for the express purpose of embarrassing you).

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 1:25 pm
‘..here in the People’s Democratic Republic of the ACT, it’s currently almost 37C’

Speaking of extreme weather events, ACT residents can expect a lot of backpatting in the coming week from authority and its supporters about how well the 2003 bushfires were handled. This will doubtless include gushing tributes to ABC radio 666 for how well it kept everyone alert and informed.

I was on the front line in 2003 – Rivett – and we neither saw nor heard any person in authority until three hours after the danger had passed. As for 666, on p.m. 18 January it was relaying some crap from Sydney – probably womens lacrosse – and the only useful information came from the much despised FM stations (where some of the presenters probably don’t even have degrees).

Like the other organs of authority, 666 was quite helpful on the day after the blaze’ in terms of advice about relief and support services, but even in this serious situation, its presenters still couldn’t rid themselves of the usual tee hee middlebrow whimsey that’s part, it seems, of 666′s standard operational culture.

Des Deskperson

12 Jan 13 at 1:27 pm
Once again, I have to ask: are these real or fake? I honestly can’t tell.

They’re fake [at least I think they are]; but I think the real question is as to why someone might wonder whether what appears to be an obvious parody might actually be real?

I think the answer might be that we are so used to seeing insanity from the Greens that it is hard to tell parody from insanity.

All I can think of is to say “Bring on the election”.

Greg James

12 Jan 13 at 1:30 pm
We must have missed this Christmas Message:

A radical sheik … has called for Australia to become an Islamic state ruled by sharia law …

Sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah, the Australian head of extremist Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, suggested during a Christmas Eve sermon that jihad should be used to implement hardline teachings …

The sheik told supporters it was their duty to “carry the light of Islam to the rest of the world … Not with flowers. It was the army of Muslims which started from Medina, and they went to China, India, and the Maghreb. “That is jihad.”

He said under an Islamic government, alcohol would be banned, a strict dress code enforced for all Australians and languages other than Arabic banned in schools.

Good luck with that…

Queensland Liberal MP Steve Ciobo said the sheik should adopt Australia’s values of tolerance and a fair go for all or “pack up and ship off”.
…Mr Ciobo said if Mr Al-Wahwah held dual citizenship the government should facilitate his move to another country more to his liking.
“If he’s going to preach a message that this country needs to be under sharia law then he should go to where he can live under sharia law – and that is not in Australia.”

H/T Tim Blair

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 1:45 pm
Lee Rhiannon has issued a statement on the Melbourne earthquake:

In the midst of the worst heat wave in history, today’s earthquake demonstrates the catastrophic damage caused by the combined effect of climate change and fracking. Unless we address our addiction to carbon and non-renewable energy sources within three years, Australia’s environment will come to resemble the prehistoric hothouse that reigned in the age of the dinosaurs. The Greens call upon the federal government to urgently suspend fracking nationwide and commit at least $100 billion to wind and solar energy production.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 2:12 pm
Is that real or fake, C.L.?
You’re right, it’s impossible to tell.

blogstrop

12 Jan 13 at 2:22 pm
It’s totally real.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 2:22 pm
Can we halt on the loopy Greens hoax stuff, please? Your link doesn’t work, CL so I googled the “statement”….and then it dawned on me.

Which just goes to show that yes, the loopy Greens are capable of, well, loopy ideas. But it’s like the boy who cried wolf becuase when the loopy Greens next issue a real statement, we’re all just gonna think it’s a Tim Blair hoax.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 2:22 pm
Sounds a bit calm and measured for Red Lee, C.L. But, certainly believable.

johanna

12 Jan 13 at 2:23 pm
The Illinois legislation was passed after a man who shot a burglar in his home was fined $750 by his town for disobeying its handgun ban.

I would have no issue with paying a $750 fine if I used a handgun to protect my home and loved ones, and as a result, the poor crim was harmed or killed.

Trouble is in Oz, I’d probably lose my home paying lawyers to defend me on a charge of GBH or manslaughter.

brennan

12 Jan 13 at 2:32 pm
Now that the Second Amendment has been incorporated against the states in 2010, if that was challenged and taken as high as necessary, it wouldn’t stand. That will happen sooner or later. Illinois has a long history of violating the Second Amendment, welfarism and dodgy politicians.

John Mc

12 Jan 13 at 2:44 pm
Good on you Johanna. As a member of a small oppressed minority of people in the ACT (ie people who can think for themselves and don’t automatically vote ALP or Green) you are more than welcome to join our occasional Canberra Catallaxy Collective drinks – usually at O’Malleys in town on Friday night after work. The usual suspects include Rabz, DD, Skuter and a few non Catallaxy commenters. We are a small but growing group. We range in numbers from 3 to 10 on a good night. Every now and then we go up market to the Realm.

Johanna, drop an email to John C, I am trying to plan a gathering this week. He should have the details…

Skuter

12 Jan 13 at 3:49 pm
I need a CCC drinks event. Count me in.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 3:51 pm
He said under an Islamic government, alcohol would be banned, a strict dress code enforced for all Australians and languages other than Arabic banned in schools.

How is this different from the Roxon Doctrine?

Infidel Tiger

12 Jan 13 at 4:15 pm
Blair has put up another “moderate muslim”, using a verbatim video, which means it has all the context you could want. But Talal pops up like the whacky mole he is and says the video must be unreliable if it’s by MEMRI, and what’s more he’s jus’ sayin stuff that others have said anyway so what’s the fuss you goyim jew loving headline chaser?

blogstrop

12 Jan 13 at 4:16 pm
How is this different from the Roxon Doctrine?

Er, under an Islamic regime you’d be allowed to wash your hair?

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 4:20 pm
According to Michael Smith, Julia Gillard is the third highest paid politician in the world. Does anybody think we’re getting our money’s worth?

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 4:47 pm
Blogstrop I just asked Talal if he speaks Lakambanese. I was going to quote the Reliance O9.0 which has this to say:

“To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.” from the hadith by Sahih Muslim.

nilk

12 Jan 13 at 4:51 pm
More from Michael Smith:
When I grow up, I want to be a crony.

H/T Take Note via Michael Smith

Cold-Hands

12 Jan 13 at 4:58 pm
I need a CCC drinks event. Count me in.

This Friday, people. Given I’m back at work on Monday following a four week “well earned break” the beers will be looming large in my consciousness for five days from Monday morn…

I’d suggest the Realm while we’re still experiencing all this totally abnormal, apocalyptic heat (and while all the young hotties are accordingly scantily clad)…

John C – a tune coming up soon.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 5:01 pm
But Talal pops up like the whacky mole he is and says the video must be unreliable …

Blogstrop I just asked Talal if he speaks Lakambanese…

Wonderful. Time for a full and frank exchange of views with that taqqiya spouting imbecile.

Joy.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 5:04 pm
The comments are always out of context whenever anyone says anything, ahem, inconvenient about religion or violence in the Arabic language.

No doubt Bob Carr will just say people are entitled to their view and allowed to have their say. How is this not seditious? He wants to force a change of constitution upon us.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 5:10 pm
John C – a tune coming up soon.

After a cooling swim – the point being all this abnormal apocalyptic, totally never experienced before hotness (AKA summer).

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 5:14 pm
Er, under an Islamic regime you’d be allowed to wash your hair?

…but you wouldn’t be allowed to show it to anyone

Fleeced

12 Jan 13 at 5:18 pm
A burqa would suit Nanny Roxon though.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 5:21 pm
Looks like the representational portrait of Duchess Kate has caused the contemporary ‘art’ establishment to wet its collective pants.

I think it’s fine.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 5:21 pm
That I want to be a crony vid is chillingly funny. Especially the last girl who says why be a tax payer when you can be a two spender?

How stuffed up is Obama’s America?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 5:23 pm
Granny get your gun.

Ernestine Aldana used a gun to protect herself from a robber in her own grocery store in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. A man pulled a knife on her and tried to grab the cash register, but when Ms. Aldana grabbed her gun, he quickly fled the scene.

“All I remember is being scared,” said Ms. Aldana. “I believe if I would have had my finger on the trigger I would have shot, thank god it actually didn’t come to that, everybody thinks it’s easy to pick up a gun and shoot someone, it’s really not.”

Her son bought his parents a gun for protection at the store and took Ms. Aldana to the range to train her how to shoot. Who knows what would have happened if she did not have the gun. Before it was out, the robber had complete control of the situation. When it was shown, Ms. Aldana took over. Now she is alive.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 5:30 pm
Washington Post admits that Ben Shapiro beat up Piers Morgan to within an inch of his life:

And Piers Morgan struggled to find the appropriate strategy for dismissing Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com and a foe of extraordinary polemical agility.

Shapiro should coach Tony “Um Ah Um” Abbott. That’s exactly what you do with lefty interviewers: beat them over the scone immediately, leave them stunned and reeling, accuse them (correctly) of bias and then sit back and watch them fulfil your accusation (which they inevitably will because they’ve scripted an entire interview for the express purpose of embarrassing you).

Not sure I got the whole interview (slow internet connection) but did Shapiro make the point that the Kenyan in the White House is protected by guns, and the Kenyans kids are protected by guns at school, so why shouldn’t ordinary americans also have the right to be protected by guns?

Will

12 Jan 13 at 5:35 pm
John,

Commiserations.
This is the only song for ‘Sick in Bed‘ I could find.
Hope you make it back to work Monday

Glad to see someone mention taqiyya.

Northern and Central Australia have an interest in alcohol. They have debated and tried to remove/regulate/legislate/control sales/advocate non-glass containers/keep black banned lists/mishmash separate [non-authorised] databases to prove a point about alcohol ad nauseum. Worse than the croc stories really. And the lack of proper schooling in English.

Jessie

12 Jan 13 at 5:49 pm
James, Token and Johanna,

You probably know of the Man in Melbourne re Karoly

Jessie

12 Jan 13 at 6:02 pm
The royal portrait of Kate, Duchess of cambridge:

http://www.dlisted.com/files/images/muchbetter!.jpg

.

12 Jan 13 at 6:02 pm
Ben Shapiro vs. Piers Morgan. Watch it all. Tis a thing of rare beauty.

nilk

12 Jan 13 at 6:12 pm
And sending well wishes to you, John C. Work is no fun when you’re feeling craptastic.

nilk

12 Jan 13 at 6:13 pm
Dot, love the portrait. Much better indeed.

nilk

12 Jan 13 at 6:14 pm
Jessie,

Thanks for the vid. What was with the girl doing sexual warm up exercises or yoga? How does that fit into the song?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 6:18 pm
Funny, I saw it more like Charles Johnson:

Witness the spectacle, if you will, of human-weasel hybrid Ben Shapiro vs. Piers Morgan…..

The entire right wing blogosphere is giving Shapiro virtual high fives for this belligerent performance; it was a “takedown,” Morgan was “schooled” and “crushed,” “cut down” and “owned” and “humiliated,” etc.

Shapiro’s trying to emulate Andrew Breitbart, obviously, and I must admit he has the smirking self-satisfied assholishness down, yet somehow manages to come off as even more unlikeable than his dead idol.

Putting aside Shapiro’s obnoxious personality, what’s interesting is that he makes it very clear once again that the ultimate right wing rationale behind stockpiling semi-automatic weapons is a loopy paranoid fear that they’re going to need them in an uprising against the US government. Yes, really.

Go on: boring chorus of “oh my God, you can’t mention Charles Johnson at this blog”.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 6:21 pm
LOL. Steve quotes the inspiration behind Anders Brievek – Charles Johnson.

Johnson was claiming a domestic war with Muslims was imminent just a few short years ago.

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 6:22 pm
As for “Washington Post admits”: a blog hosted at the Washington Post.

In the past I have sometimes referred to “Slate writes about X” and CL has rushed out and said “no, a commentator who blogs at Slate said that, not Slate itself” even though Slate is all opinion pieces.

But now, CL is happy to call a WAPO reporter’s blog sited at WAPO “the Washington Post”.

What a hypocrite.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 6:26 pm
SfB,
No Shapiro said that the reason for the second amendment coming into being was to ensure that the Government didn’t get out of hand. Piers asks Shapiro if he think s that is going to happen and he says no, but it is not unheard of for Governments to go dictatorial. Quite a different context to Charles Johnson’s spin on things.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 6:29 pm
SfB

An opinion writer is different to a reporter. Yes?

Steve of Ferny Hills

12 Jan 13 at 6:33 pm
And CL speculated regretfully some time in the not too distant past that a really ballsy Western culture would have nuked Mecca off the map in response to 9-11.

Again: hypocrite.

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 6:34 pm
You’re not happy about this CL fella, are ya SFB?
hope you haven’t been stewing all day about him. That’ll give you wrinkles.

Gab

12 Jan 13 at 6:37 pm
“Good on you Johanna. As a member of a small oppressed minority of people in the ACT … join our occasional Canberra Catallaxy Collective drinks … usual suspects include Rabz, DD, Skuter … Every now and then we go up market to the Realm.”

says John Comnenus.

Now that would be fun – I could give that fabulous goer Rabz a serve for his bloody swearing, DD some for his corner for doing the “but to be fair to her” line and pretty kittle johanna a caution for the excellent and interesting but dodgy company she’s keeping. Couldn’t a man enjoy some marvellously amusing conversations with you lot, eh?

I could also cop the odd “you’ve already told us that ya doddery old has been” for saying last time I had drinks in Canberra there was the Private Bin and nowhere else in Civic (with another big bloke, when a few younger blokes reckoned they could sort us out and I had to talk our way out of it while my mate wanted to go on with it!); or a late opener somewhere up near Belconnen Mall; or the Wellington across the other side of Canberra Harbour; or the Southern Cross Club down near the brutal Soviet architecture of Woden Plaza.

That was it.

The Wellington was a beauty for Friday beer o’clock when I lived and worked there in 1978. The boss preferred the bright young new bloke from Sydney to join him at the Canberra Club but I only endured that mob of pretenders the once and resumed with the fellas who worked for me. Someone here has already told me the dreadful news that Royals Rugby in Weston Creek is no more.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 6:40 pm
As for “Washington Post admits”: a blog hosted at the Washington Post.

In the past I have sometimes referred to “Slate writes about X” and CL has rushed out and said “no, a commentator who blogs at Slate said that, not Slate itself” even though Slate is all opinion pieces.

But now, CL is happy to call a WAPO reporter’s blog sited at WAPO “the Washington Post”.

What a hypocrite.

That’s not true. You’re lying.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 6:43 pm
Karoly on SBS TV news a moment ago saying Woe, Woe! Funny that he forgot to mention the record breaking cold and snow in the northern hemisphere.

Never let slightly warmer temperatures go to waste.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 6:44 pm
Not to seem like I’m pimping for traffic, but just posted at Quadrant is a piece explaining why greenies are every bushfire’s best friend

areff

12 Jan 13 at 6:48 pm
That’s not true. You’re lying.

Correct. He’s lying. When I check Steve’s Slate sources, I background-check the author and usually find he’s a notorious lefty wacko who Steve is fig-leafing as “Slate.”

C.L.

12 Jan 13 at 6:49 pm
What Morgan should have asked Shapiro, when he (Shapiro) said he supported universal background checks:

“Well, can you explain to me why the NRA and other pro gun groups have always resisted this?”

And

“Isn’t your paranoid explanation of the need for second amendment [to protect against future imagined government tyranny] going to support the paranoid view that universal background checks and better tracking of ownership would be about being able to track and disarm the population.?”

steve from brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 6:52 pm
…. better tracking of ownership would be about being able to track and disarm the population.?”

45% of US households own a firearm. How would you disarm the population is a short space of time, without word getting out?

You are such a fucking moron.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 6:57 pm
Isn’t your paranoid explanation of the need…

Unlike you SoB, Morgan was smart enough not to accuse the Jewish grandchild of victims of the Holocaust of being paranoid about a democracy turning into a totalitarian state and killing some of its citizens.

It takes a brain dead statist like you to be that stupid.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:00 pm
45% of US households own a firearm. How would you disarm the population is a short space of time, without word getting out?

This is a fight that does not have to be had as it does not address the mental health issues which are the cause of the mass shootings.

From the interview it is clear that Morgan at least gets that (when he acknowledged Shapiro’s point).

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:01 pm
Some important points to note about Gun Control in the UK. The stats on the rates of violent crime in the UK indicate there are severe problems in Morgan’s gun free “heaven”.

Local news journalist Ben Swann fact checks Piers Morgan arguments on Gun Control

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:04 pm
As I note above, the Obama admin is picking a fight it does not need over guns:

Wyoming lawmakers have proposed a new bill that, if passed, would nullify any federal restrictions on guns, threatening to jail federal agents attempting to confiscate guns, ammunition magazines or ammunition.

The bill – HB0104 – states that “any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming.”

The bill is sponsored by eight Wyoming state representatives ad two state senators. If passed, the bill would declare any federal gun regulation created on or after January 1, 2013 to be unenforceable within the state.

In addition, the bill states would charge federal officials attempting to enforce a federal gun law within the state with a felony – “subject to imprisonment for not more less than one (1) year and one (1) day or more than five (5) years, a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) five thousand dollars ($5,000.00), or both.”

…Citing the Tenth and the Second Amendments, Hicks asserted that the legislation was Constitutional, adding that he fully expected it to pass in the Wyoming state legislature.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:06 pm
Well, can you explain to me why the NRA and other pro gun groups have always resisted this?”

Good reason. Because they believe the 2nd amendment tells the government to fuck right off.

And it does seem to be telling the state to fuck right off.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

In layman’s terms this is telling the populace to be vigilant against tyranny and also be ready if it happens. Take immediate action if it does.

Look dickhead, if there’s a nutcase that wants to take out school kids there’s very little preventative stuff we can do.

If someone had their heart set of killing you, or me (heaven forbid) there’s really nothing one can do. You walk out of your home and the killer will open fire and kill you/me with an illegal gun.

Prohibition doesn’t work.

Perhaps what’s going on is, despite the overall homicide rate is going down but the composition for homicide is changing. That appears what we’re living through. Murder causing a big splash could be on the increase whereas murder with intention is broadly falling in the world.

It’s still not a perfect result but it isn’t broadly as bad as you think it is.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 7:09 pm
‘The Wellington was a beauty for Friday beer o’clock when I lived and worked there in 1978′

I had a branch head in DFAT – yes, equivalent these days to an SES Band 1 – who used to go to the Wello – walking or staggering distance from DFAT – at around 11.45 every day and almost never come back! He had a bottle of water on his desk that we later discovered was gin.

The Wellington is now the Pavilion, it had a certain vogue in the nineties for young APS high fliers but they moved on to the Kurrajong and now go to ‘Tongue in Groove’ (yes) in Civic. Royals is now the Raiders, I doubt there is much difference in terms of food, drink, entertainment and clientelle!

Des Deskperson

12 Jan 13 at 7:13 pm
Token

I’m thinking that what we’re beginning to see is a form of big splash type of killings where the lunatic wants to make a personal point… not killing for a cause like say the Islamists.

Thankfully though, as I mentioned to Stepford the househusband, other rates are falling.

It would be really interesting to see what criminologists without an ideological axe to grind would think of this.

It does appear to be that could be the broad trend, because there were less of these mass killings prior to 80′s gun control restrictions when there was the opportunity to purchase deadlier guns and ammo.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 7:16 pm
Seems this crusade for cheap political points over guns (which is specifically focused in a way that ignores the real issue) may result in hundreds of high paid jobs moving from the US:

In a 2009 report, the American Academy of Pediatrics declared, “The evidence is now clear and convincing: Media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression.”

The report focused on all types of media violence. But for video games in particular, the pediatricians cited studies that found high exposure to violent ones increased physical aggression at least in the short term, and warned that they allow people to rehearse violent acts. On the other hand, it said friendly video games could promote good behavior.

A wide spectrum of the video game industry was represented at the meeting with the vice president, including the makers of violent war video games like “Call of Duty” and “Medal of Honor” and a representative from the Entertainment Software Ratings Board, which sets age ratings that on every video game package released in the United States.

Considering the fact the vid game industry is now bigger than film, this seems like an amazingly stupid action…and about the normal level of stupidity we expect from the Obama admin.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:23 pm
Token

I’m thinking that what we’re beginning to see is a form of big splash type of killings where the lunatic wants to make a personal point… not killing for a cause like say the Islamists

Unfortunately.

Psychologists note these pathetic cowards thrive off the fame they get from the types who wish to score petty political points from these tragic deaths.

All the “gun free zones” are a magnet to these cowards who want soft targets.

As long as the media keeps naming the cowards and turns them into celebs the crimes will continue. Luckily private citizens are now ignoring the lefty insanity and carrying guns so they can shoot the crims.

Token

12 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
This is a fight that does not have to be had as it does not address the mental health issues which are the cause of the mass shootings.

So does anyone here support the government spending more money on mental health services to increase quality and access for those who currently can’t afford it?

Or shall we continue to wait for wealthy people to donate money for healthcare to the deserving poor (presumably the undeserving poor won’t go postal).

Chris

12 Jan 13 at 7:43 pm
Chris No.

It would be the same as saying we should stop driving because people get killed.

There’s risk and you can’t eliminate risk.

Also there is no predictive testing for lunatics of this type.

Stop trying to mooch more money.

JC

12 Jan 13 at 7:46 pm
So does anyone here support the government spending more money on mental health services …

No fucking way. What a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 7:49 pm
young APS high fliers but they moved on to the Kurrajong and now go to ‘Tongue in Groove’

Being young APS high fliers the Groove in question is likely the rear one.

Steve of Ferny Hills

12 Jan 13 at 7:51 pm
Anyone know how many of these ” mass shooters ” were unemployed in the 3-6 months leading up to committing their crimes?

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 7:53 pm
young APS high fliers but they moved on to the Kurrajong and now go to ‘Tongue in Groove’

Well, a good thing the CCC™ has never convened there, then – thanks for warning us, desky!

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 7:58 pm
John C, Enjoy!

Except that it has…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:01 pm
I’m thinking that what we’re beginning to see is a form of big splash type of killings where the lunatic wants to make a personal point… not killing for a cause like say the Islamists.

It’s ‘frustrated geeky loser with no girl and a dead-end career syndrome’. That seems to be the common thread.

They know that 1-5% of the female population are insane and have a thing for serial killers and mass murderers (like Phil the Greek, who had a thing for Bin Laden and Mao Tse-Tung). So they kill 20 people in a cinema and all of a sudden they’ve got a female fan club sending marriage proposals and wanting to have their children. And some prisons allow conjugal visits too.

The increasing feudalism and stratification in western societies, which the Greens are making worse by banning energy production and land development, are only going to make this trend worse.

As more geeks come to realise that killing lots of people is the only way they’ll get laid, we’ll be seeing a massacre like this every week.

Fisky

12 Jan 13 at 8:17 pm
So does anyone here support the government spending more money on mental health services to increase quality and access for those who currently can’t afford it?

I advocate locking up mentally ill people and keeping thugs off the streets. It works.

Fisky

12 Jan 13 at 8:19 pm
“Well, a good thing the CCC™ has never convened there … thanks for warning us, desky!”

Now THAT would funny to watch you blokes carefully, watchfully retreating!

It can happen – one of the blokes said “Let’s have a beer here and work out where we’re going next” so we walked into the Burdekin at the city end of Oxford Street. I remember one of ‘em, a former bouncer turned confident and suave CEO, looked at me, ashen white, and stuttered “Mick, they’re all wearing Chesty Bonds” – as if we’d stumbled into Chalmun’s Cantina from Star Wars. One schooner and outta there!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 8:25 pm
Aaaaagh the Wello. When I was a cadet at Duntroon, the Wello was strictly for 2nd class. It was a real pub a bit like the Kingo.

But the CCC has gone upmarket DES and Mick.

I remember many drunken nights after losing to Royals at the Royals Rugby Club. The Bin was a staple weekend joint. Good times.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:26 pm
Mick,

You and I must have met. The Burdekin was also a bit of a freak show haunt when I worked in Paddington.

When i lived in Newtown the Imperial in Erskinville was a late night favorite. Famous for being the Priscilla Queen of the Desert pub, I almost got my head caved in by rabid lesbians with pool cues over a dispute about pool. The place was open til 6 AM, when everything else was shut you went from the Carlisle Castle (midnight closing) to the bank (3AM) closing to the Imperial. Good times.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:31 pm
I met a nice lady last year on the train from Morisset to the airport. She was going to join a tour ship in Miami, and a few months before had toured Turkey. She was a medical scientist(?) at Morisset mental hospital.

I am not surprised that someone who works with those poor people would want to have holidays far far away as often as possible.

So yes, especially with the rise in ice, cannabis and bath salts, I’d support more government spending on mental health services. Just don’t ask me for an answer to the problem though.

Bruce

12 Jan 13 at 8:35 pm
Thanks Rabz. I am a big Ed Keupper fan. Ed is now a Bad Seed. It is a good Album – I think it was the first CD I ever brought. Good choice. Did you catch the house and land package for $60,000 in the clip?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:38 pm
The tongue and groove is OK. Maybe the CCC should convene there just to annoy APS up and comers.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:40 pm
Rabz

Gonna be back in Canberra last week in February. Might be another oppo for a quiet ale.

Speaking of quiet ales…

PICKLES - you in town soon or what?

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 8:40 pm
The Imperial (AKA the Gimperial) was open til 6 AM, when everything else was shut you went from the Carlisle Castle (midnight closing) to the Bank (3AM) closing to the Imperial. Good times.

Yes indeedy – a familiar pilgrimage.

I used to love playing pool at Imperial. Having hot lezzo companions always helped…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:40 pm
Mk50, I think we’d be happy to join you for a quiet ale or 7.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:41 pm
Mk50, I think we’d be happy to join you for a quiet ale or 7.

Mick, apologies, you know he’s unwell…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:43 pm
Depended on the night at the Imperial. But there were a good coterie of lipstick lesbians although they were always surrounded by the more industrial, boot wearing types. Due to my upbringing I would never strike a woman under any circumstance, so I was often back pedalling with the fat end of the cue in my face.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:43 pm
Oh bleep!

Apologies MK and John C…

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:44 pm
Ed is now a Bad Seed.

WTF?

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:45 pm
I remember being insulted by the sisters in the Imperial who called me and my mate ‘a breeder’. LOL how funny were those days at 5 AM?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:46 pm
Ed is with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. Saw Ed a few years back at Cockatoo Island individually and with Chris Bailey and the original Saints. Top day and night. Finished off with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. Great day.

I think I am getting better.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:48 pm
pretty kittle johanna

Mick, you’ve got the terminology all wrong. As Nilk told us at New Year, female Catpeople are “Kittehs”.

I’m paid to know this stuff. You’re welcome.

Tom

12 Jan 13 at 8:48 pm
Sounds like an idea. Not sure which date, prob a wed or thu nite

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 8:49 pm
I’m good for wed or thurs. What part of town do you need to visit Mk50?

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 8:52 pm
Saw Ed a few years back at Cockatoo Island individually and with Chris Bailey and the original Saints.

The cranky ol’ kraut’s an effin’ legend.

Honey Steel’s Gold would be close to my favourite Ozzie album of all time.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 8:56 pm
heh. A good reply to that ‘breeder’ insult is ‘bleacher’. You tell the bulldykes that it’s becuase they are bleaching their genes from the gene pool.

In reality, it’s got more to do with what you have to do to your eyes after seeing them!

Oil paintings they ain’t.

Told that to my gay (female) cousin and her other half a family reunion or two ago and they fell about laughing. Both are stunners and they hate the bulls as they keep putting the hard word on them in the worst way, ‘how about a f*ck then’ is highly sophisticated and nuanced for a bull in rut, apparently. It’s why they are almost totally out of the scene these days and living in a new city. Outside the family, almost no-one now knows they are together.

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 8:57 pm
I’ll be in the middle of town, somewhere within cooee of Civic.

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 8:58 pm
Honey Steel’s Gold is a classic and one of my all time favorites. Got it around the time I met the Missus to be. Good memories.

Within cooee of civic sounds good Mk50. let us know which day and the CCC will treat you to some traditional Canberra hospitality…. Just joking, you won’t have to fill out any forms.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 9:04 pm
Your li’l feet, working the machine

Will it spin, will it soar?

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 9:15 pm
Septimus. One of the progeny recommended Fireflight. Listening to ‘For Those Who Wait’.

Good. This band is good.

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 9:19 pm
Fisky

“I advocate locking up mentally ill people and keeping thugs off the streets. It works.”

Funny about that. We used to do just that…until someone decided their rights mntter more than the rest of us living in peace. So they threw the mentally ill out on the streets where a lot really arent doing very well…and then it got so much harder to lock up the thugs.

Now we have both on the streets.

Alice

12 Jan 13 at 9:21 pm
So they threw the mentally ill out on the streets where a lot really aren’t doing very well …

Except the ones who became greenfilth politicians – they’re doing very well, at the expense of greater society, as usual.

Rabz

12 Jan 13 at 9:31 pm
John,
Only those two in the vid would know the answer to that question. Even then the response would be contorted.

I was hoping to find a 50s croon/JW hot toddy scene but seems that was too much to wish for.. and ‘get well soon’. Regards to Fleeced and Winston who I remember reading were/have been recuperating.

Jessie

12 Jan 13 at 9:42 pm
Jessie, Thanks for the thought. Been sleeping off and on most of the day. I have decided to mix medication, cough mixture, and a good Tassie Pinot Noir whilst listening to Dwight Yoakam. I’m feeling better already. Maybe I should eat something.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 10:06 pm
I advocate locking up mentally ill people and keeping thugs off the streets. It works.

Yes because threatening people with imprisonment is really going to encourage those who need mental health treatment to seek help isn’t it? Meanwhile we’ll let them own whatever guns they want.

While we’re at it why don’t we save money by cancelling vaccination programs and just imprison (and not treat) those who contract communicable diseases?

Chris

12 Jan 13 at 10:14 pm
Fireflight. Listening to ‘For Those Who Wait’.

Good. This band is good.

I think so too. Thanks Mk50. The younger of our two daughters is probably a fan.

Septimus

12 Jan 13 at 10:14 pm
‘Being young APS high fliers the Groove in question is likely the rear one.’

Not if it’s the Department of Health and Aging!!

Des Deskperson

12 Jan 13 at 10:15 pm
“When i lived in Newtown the Imperial in Erskinville was a late night favorite. Famous for being the Priscilla Queen of the Desert pub, I almost got my head caved in by rabid lesbians with pool cues …”

John Comnenus – when I was growing up in Erskineville the Imperial was just up Union Street from the crumbling old terrace. I’ve mentioned here before a mate running the SP at 15-ish – and flogging hot levis and transistor radios, stumbling old alcoholics, strong young Newtown lower graders, a pool table, tiles and simple local order and peacefulness.

I used wonder how the ghost customers of times past coped with their successors.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 10:35 pm
‘Being young APS high fliers the Groove in question is likely the rear one.’

Not if it’s the Department of Health and Aging!!

Oo-er. Imagine the squealing and the slapfights!

Mk50 of Brisbane

12 Jan 13 at 10:45 pm
Mick,
I was on the other side of King St, in Lennox St, Denison St and Probert St. As a kid we used to walk up to King St from Marrickville. Watched the old Newtown Jets playing at Henson Park. All gone now.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 10:45 pm
You could always go to the Sando on King St to recover your stolen goods. The Sando Sunday sessions were great with Canberra greats the Gadflys, the Shout Brothers and Bernie – what’s his name who was in the Secret Seven. Newtown was seriously cool in a downmarket kind of way until it got all gentrified.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 10:49 pm
Mick the Rose of Australia was a good pub too in Erko.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 10:50 pm
“So they threw the mentally ill out on the streets where a lot really arent doing very well”

Comrade Lefty Frank Walker as State Attorney in Nifty’s term repealed (about 1982 or 1983) the Summary Offences Act to nobble his hated enemy, the Police Force, and implemented parts of public servant David Richmond’s recommendations to close the loony bins (which happened to be on valuable real estate).

That’s when well established practices that worked on the street became alphabet soup, in the name of enlightenment and compassion.

The Richmond Report was prepared a couple of hundred feet up, in Castlereagh Street air conditioning, not from the admissions desk at Callan Park or in the grime of Darlinghurst police station, where the author might have gained some idea of the subject.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 10:53 pm
Mk50

Good. This band is good

Thanks for that fantastic song ! Reminiscent of evanescence

Daisy

12 Jan 13 at 11:00 pm
LOL, Looks like the Libs are hedging their bet on a Lab leadership tussle.
Very informative too.

jumpnmcar

12 Jan 13 at 11:07 pm
“Rose of Australia was a good pub too in Erko.”

A mate’s older brothers (Newtown players) kept him and me out of the Rose, where one could buy anything for money – from contraband Beach Boys LPs to missing Council machines and utes – because they’d decided he and I were likely to go to higher studies, succeed and climb up a notch. We were allowed to use the Imperial and did what we were told.

I well recall the trek up to Henson Park in the ’60s-’70s to watch Bruce Olive, John Oakley, Graham Wilson, Chicka Moore – later Doug Kemister and Paul Hayward, who did not appreciate the benefit of club secretary Frank Farrington’s strict control of what players did for a quid in their day jobs.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 11:21 pm
Old Paul Hayward went awry. Tommy Raudonikus and Wilson and Ziggy Zigsworth in the final year were great. Every year that team meets at the Carlisle Castle and goes for a nude run around the block at midnight.

John Comnenus

12 Jan 13 at 11:24 pm
That info graphic almost makes one yearn for the Rudd days. From 6,500 illegals to 25,000. That is quite a jump. Remember the old statements how it would take 25 years to fill the mcg? I’d say at the current growth rate one more labor term would fill it.

The irony is that Gillard campaigned on stopping the boats.

I think people forget about this as an issue, but I’m sue is going to bite come election time.

brc

12 Jan 13 at 11:28 pm
“Every year that team meets at the Carlisle Castle and goes for a nude run around the block at midnight.”

That’d be a nude slow amble – Tommy’s almost exactly my age!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

12 Jan 13 at 11:28 pm
There were supposed to be two parts of the de-institutionalisation of the inpatients in NSW – out of the institutions and support in the community.

The community support part was never implemented by Shifty Nifty.

Myrddin Seren

12 Jan 13 at 11:35 pm
Mick, you’re a bunnies supporter? Well done son.

nic

12 Jan 13 at 11:56 pm
“Mick, you’re a bunnies supporter?”

It’ll ever be a mystery how you deduced that from all the reminiscing about Newtown, but I am and still have a scrapbook crafted in 1963 as a 13 year old on the Mighty Rabbitohs. I’ve had the great good fortune to have since met many of my former heroes from the great John Sattler sides.

I turned my back on the League though in the mid ’90s when they kicked Souths out, went back to Union and stayed there.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 12:17 am
My God.

A TEENAGE boy is fighting for his life after being struck in the head with an iron bar after a group tried to gatecrash his mate’s 18th birthday party in Sydney’s north.

Liam Knight was struck so hard the bar became embedded in his skull during the fight at a home at Forestville just before midnight on Friday.

The 17-year-old, who is about to start year 12 at St Pius X College at Chatswood, was taken to Royal North Shore Hospital and underwent surgery for five hours to have the bar removed…

Police said the trouble started when a group tried to enter a birthday party of one of Liam’s friends, Harry Staples. When they were denied entry, the group jumped over the back fence into the Staples’ backyard.

A fight then broke out and Liam was struck in scenes neighbours described as being like a ‘‘war zone’’. The offenders fled before police arrived.

Fire crews had to be called to the home to cut the 2.3-metre-long bar so Liam could be taken to hospital.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 12:40 am
LOL.

University ‘study’ says Australians are now warmenists to their bootstraps.

But wait… the ‘study’ shows that warmening beliefs are especially religiously strong amongst Labor/Greens voters.

Perceived climate-change experiences varied according to voting intentions. Some 75.7 per cent of Green voters and 60.3 per cent of Labor selected the ”We are already feeling the effects” option. Among National Party supporters, 40.5 per cent picked the option but just 32.7 per cent of Liberal voters did.

Wow. Why?

”Those who voted Green or Labor were simply more objectively knowledgeable about the phenomenon and the issue,” [Professor Reser] said. ”Our female respondents were generally more knowledgeable, more concerned.”

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 12:47 am
Chris, nothing in my comment suggested locking up mentally ill people in prison, so you should address your comment to someone else. Clearly, I am talking about putting them in mental hospitals for as long as is needed. I am not interested in pursuing this discussion with Leftists because nothing they say can be trusted and in fact they too should be hospitalised for a considerable period of time.

Fisky

13 Jan 13 at 1:11 am
Thank God for the Libs.

Fat useless Cnut in charge of NSW moves to retract freedom of speech:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ofarrell-moves-to-strengthen-hate-laws-20130112-2cmh5.html

Infidel tiger

13 Jan 13 at 1:27 am
Mick, a woid guess mate. I’m a 4th generation supporter and bleed red and green.

nic

13 Jan 13 at 1:34 am
Bunnings.

Checkout.

A melting 40C day outside, not much better inside.

Man, with door, in queue standing behind me.

“Oh. I see you have a door. A man with a door.”

He, “Yes, good price, too.”

Me, “Does that make you adorable?”

He, “I only wish it was that easy.”

****

Me too.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 1:37 am
The Libs are hopeless, truly, what dull reading that was Nic. And you can bet that Federally nothing will be done if the Libs win re so called hate speech laws. We have just had stories about Islamic clerics seriously deriding the rest of us, yet are they ever prosecuted under these laws? That’s right – never – and ironically I agree with not prosecuting. These laws are merely enacted to oppress the majority who are it’s targets.

The LNP are only marginally better than the ALP because they never repeal the ALPs most odious laws, nor seriously reduce the size of Government. Disgusting.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 1:47 am
The controversial commentators Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are due to be called before an inquiry that will consider strengthening anti-discrimination laws to make it easier to convict people for serious racial vilification.

The inquiry was ordered by the Premier, Barry O’Farrell, who is concerned there have been no successful criminal prosecutions in the history of the NSW laws and that they have fallen out of step with community expectations.

Despicable fascist douchebag.

What have I been saying about the Liberal Party lately?

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 2:12 am
Chris, nothing in my comment suggested locking up mentally ill people in prison, so you should address your comment to someone else. Clearly, I am talking about putting them in mental hospitals for as long as is needed.

So you don’t want the government to fund mental health programs or treatment for people who have mental illnesses but instead wait for them to deterioate to the point that they are a risk to themselves and other people and then lock the up in mental hospitals which you probably want the government to minimally fund? And what about when they finally get out – any funding for health support so they don’t relapse or just wait until they are sufficiently sick to lock up in a mental hospital again?

Chris

13 Jan 13 at 2:29 am
James Ashby and also his solicitor have both sought leave to appeal Justice Rares’ decision re. Ashby v Slipper

in the application lodged with the court today (Friday), Mr Ashby states that the primary judge was wrong to find Mr Harmer intended to cause harm to Mr Slipper by including “irrelevant allegations”.

In a statement issued on behalf of Mr Ashby, his spokesman said that Mr Harmer of Harmers Workplace Lawyers would also be seeking leave to appeal on Monday.

“Justice Rares made separate and distinct findings regarding Mr Ashby and Mr Harmer, so each presently is being separately legally represented in this Application,” the spokesman said.

The hearing for Mr Ashby’s application is set down for February 6.

Pass the popcorn… Round Two is ready to start.

Cold-Hands

13 Jan 13 at 2:33 am
A TEENAGE boy is fighting for his life after being struck in the head with an iron bar after a group tried to gatecrash his mate’s 18th birthday party in Sydney’s north.

The disregard for human life is frightening.

dover_beach

13 Jan 13 at 2:37 am
Meanwhile we’ll let them own whatever guns they want.

You have no dignity in saying that. You’re a berk.

Since when were the acutely mentally disturbed EVER allowed to own a firearm?

.

13 Jan 13 at 6:52 am
The controversial commentators Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are due to be called before an inquiry that will consider strengthening anti-discrimination laws to make it easier to convict people for serious racial vilification.

The inquiry was ordered by the Premier, Barry O’Farrell, who is concerned there have been no successful criminal prosecutions in the history of the NSW laws and that they have fallen out of step with community expectations.

Fatty must be run out of town with some pitchforks and a Ford F250.

.

13 Jan 13 at 6:54 am
Dot, Chris is trolling. His statements were the type of emotive distortion of the original talking point one comes to expect from a lefty.

This is the guy who is in favour of the trade the government set up with illegal people smugglers that has killed over 1,000 people. He is a moral vacuum who needs Strawmen to cover his lack knowledge and objectionable politicized stands on issues.

Token

13 Jan 13 at 7:19 am
What ever became of The Gadflys? I loved them, still play them now and again.

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 7:26 am
Piers Ackermann delivers a harsh but fair report card on the Gillard frankengovernment as it reaches the “dismal” point of equalling the span of the Rudd government.
Link.

I guess we’re all hoping that despite the tilted playing field, the voters will do what they did in 1996 and clean out a failed regime, ignoring the best efforts of the majority of the media to prop it up ad infinitum.

Blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 7:35 am
I would dearly love to see TLS dragged out of Parliament in handcuffs, but I don’t expect things to improve much under LNP.

Here’s an extract from the Coalitions 2010 policy statements, this is from their “Fight Crime” policy.

a lack of police power to search and prosecute carriers of weapons has lead to the knife culture in our cities getting out of control.
…

carrying a knife will lead to serious punishment.

…

Mobile metal detectors, similar to those used in our airports, need to be rolled out across all jurisdictions to aid police in the search for concealed weapons.

…

Currently, only Victoria (under the Control of Weapons Act 1990) and South Australia (under the Summary Offences (Dangerous Articles and Prohibited Weapons) Regulations 2000) require a permit to purchase dangerous knives online. …ensure all states and territories require permits and those carrying knives have a lawful excuse to do so. Those purchasing online would need to produce proof of their permit before purchasing.

…

Harsher sentences for carrying a knife must also be put in place.

What a fascist mob!

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 8:11 am
Obama refuses to build Death Star (?!!)
Only in America.
Can we start right there with the 30,000 who signed the petition, no gun licence for them.

Keith

13 Jan 13 at 8:21 am
Baltimore vs Denver. Go Ravens!

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 8:32 am
I hadn’t realised the governing rabble was so criminally delinquent when it comes to money:

Five years ago, the Rudd government lifted the nation’s credit card limit to $75 billion, increasing it again the following year to $200 billion. The Gillard government increased the country’s credit limit to $250 billion in 2011 and again to $300 billion in 2012.

Presumably when the Libs left office, the limit was around $50 billion, which was unneeded. With the pre-election vote-buying exercise now underway, the only question is the 2013 date on which Gillard-Swan will bust the $300 billion limit. Mid-year looks optimistic. The annual interest bill is now around $1500 per household. FMD.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 8:48 am
I’m hoping (possibly beyond reasonable measure) that the NSW Gov’t pulling AB and AJ into an inquiry to find out ‘why there have been no successful prosecutions under the racial vilification laws’ is a sly move to show that they are a crock.

If nothing else, at least it’ll give AB and AJ a stage to state their views on the catastrophic(*) effects on free speech these laws bring. That’s gotta be good.

I’m in a glass-half-full mood this morning.

(*) – copyright gerbil warning

duncanm

13 Jan 13 at 9:05 am
I’m not sure if this has been noted yet, but I read that nature has gifted Germany with a new island.

So much for the climate change scare of rising sea levels, this land is actually coming out of the ocean!

Be interesting to see how Al Gore and the other professional climate alarmists would explain this.

A Lurker

13 Jan 13 at 9:19 am
Harsher sentences for carrying a knife must also be put in place.

Even sillier is how martial arts weapons are effectively banned or you must pay exorbitant fees (like guns) and have them stored like guns in NSW.

To get a licence, you need to be a martial arts instructor (fair enough, but what about the schmoes learning how to use them) but you need to do a specific training course to be recognised…and the industry body doesn’t recognise nationally recognised training it is not taking kickbacks from.

This just stinks of NSW Labor party to the core!

The NSW prohibited weapons law was legislated in 1998.

Other than being difficult to use, I don’t remember a spate of nunchuku and sai related homicides or beatings in 1997 or early 1998…

What is more of a joke is that a “bo”…think big stick (i.e, a quarterstaff) is treated like a category A firearm.

I am fairly sure I could do more damage with a pitchfork I own, nevertheless…

LEOs, MDs and allied health probably know the damage a simple table fork can do. Nasty, nasty shit.

Harsher sentences for carrying a knife must also be put in place.

Again – we have castle doctrine in NSW, but no right to own a firearm.

So I’m meant to stab, lacerate or bludgeon robbers to death? Wow, isn’t that civilised?

Only cops are smart enough to use and carry less than lethal tools such as extendable batons, CS spray and tasers…

I can’t however confront them on the footpath past my property boundary with a knife.

I guess I’ll leave a pitchfork near my door.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:28 am
I’m not sure if this has been noted yet, but I read that nature has gifted Germany with a new island.

I’ve got dibs on the Kerguelen plataeu.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:30 am
Been running a little ‘tolerance of dissent’ AKA ‘speaking truth to power’ experiment over at the Guardian to see if I could find out how they maintain the echo chamber.

First time I have ever bothered with such a low-quality commercial outfit – give me the Journal of Coastal Research any day.

Oh, I knew they would not like it, dissent is not tolerated at such low-information dinosaur media sites, that’s a given.

It has been a bit interesting, they do echo chamber maintenance rather differently to Australian left-wing sites. They ‘layer’ their approach.

After carefully reading their ‘community guidelines’ to make sure I stayed well within them, it only took two days of politely demolishing shibboleths before moderation. So they are pretty quick to spot the dissident to the Party Line. This implies the usual use of chekist stoolies in their commenter ally cloud. That’s normal for a left wing site, no surprises.

However, they also play their own and deeply amusing trick. Sure, they go thru an leave post shells, ‘This post has been removed’ yadda yadda. All fair and above board, yes?

Not quite – these are left wingers here. Without leaving any trace on the comments at all, they also excise entire strings of posts where the AGW true-believer has been given a thorough, polite and civil fact-based cluebatting all done entirely within their community guidelines. The entire chain is deleted without leaving any trace.

The Gruniard are memory-holers. That’s very funny.

And so is the echo-chamber preserved by use of the famed left-wing memory hole.

Their site, their property, they can do what they like. It was interesting to play with them and work out their tactics, though. They are as thoroughly dishonest as the left always is, of course. No change there from any other low-brow left wing site. At all costs, the circle has to be preserved.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 9:39 am
Dot:

I’ve got dibs on the Kerguelen plataeu.

Curses!

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 9:41 am
Wow, they are out of their fucking minds:

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@ Sevenpin – the other factor you talk about – for Australia – is the strangle-hold over public discussion here, that a certain PR angle has achieved.
In part lack of diversity of major newspapers (ten different media organisations, all pro-mining, does not diversity make).
Also, as Guy Pearse documented in “High and Dry” – the propagandists infiltrated many all areas of public life, from political committees, down to schools. Creates an ‘echo chamber’ for their views, a false appearance of unity
It is not easy to find any other society, where propaganda has been deployed in this overwhelming way.
Of course, the propagandists are careful not to stifle discussion completely. Which is why folk like Flannery can still be heard.
When for others, a certain national newspaper deploys editorials and week long “special investigations” with the aim of to destroying reputations.
Is a very, very nasty game being played out here.

Funny how most Australians are “pro mining”…as they are “anti poverty”.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:44 am
Their site, their property, they can do what they like. It was interesting to play with them and work out their tactics, though. They are as thoroughly dishonest as the left always is, of course. No change there from any other low-brow left wing site. At all costs, the circle has to be preserved.

You should have done a Graeme Bird cut and paste of what actually was written. For posterity.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:50 am
As far as I know, Fairfax hasn’t so much as published a “clarification”, let alone an apology, for one of its most vicious pro-government propaganda tirades in the name of the SMH economics editor on Friday:

The article published by Peter Martin in Fairfax newspapers this morning under the headline ‘Australia’s most wasteful spending came in Howard era, finds IMF’ is a gross misrepresentation of the view of the IMF and their perspective on the economic management of the Howard/Costello Government.

The so-called IMF ‘study’ referred to by Mr Martin is, in fact, a Working Paper prepared by four researchers of the IMF and does not represent the views of the IMF. Page 2 of the Working Paper unequivocally states:

“This Working Paper should not be reported as representing the views of the IMF. The views expressed in this Working Paper are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily represent those of the IMF or IMF policy. Working Papers describe research in progress by the author(s) and are published to elicit comments and to further debate.”[1]

A newspaper that cannot be relied on by its readers to strive to publish the truth has no future.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 9:53 am
Heh. That’s something I pointed out at the time, Tom.

I’m a legend.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 9:56 am
The Gadflies are retired. I bumped into the clarinet playing Moriarty brother in Lyneham, Canberra a couple of years ago, he is now a librarian in Canberra. He was trying to talk his guitar playing brother into a reunion tour. Looks like he couldn’t persuade him.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 9:59 am
Farmers and professional shooters need rifles and shotguns, but anyone else who wants to use deadly weapons like these should seek psychiatric treatment. Anyone outside these categories found with a weapon designed to kill people should be assumed to have that end in mind and locked away from the rest of us until they can show that it is safe to let them out.

From He Who Can Not Be Named.

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 10:01 am
Dot, I would love to have something in the house to use for self defence if an intruder ever entered, but it is illegal to do so, so naturally I comply with the law.

I do store a pick handle under my bed, along with a machete, as storage room in the shed is at a premium.

I also have a very large hunting knife secured in a drawer, so my grand daughter can’t get hold of it.

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 10:05 am
Sometimes common sense over rides spin as with the Howard as profligate study. Howard borrowed nothing and spent within his means. Yes he spent a lot, but not more than he had. Hence it is difficult to make the case for profligacy. It’s a big like saying John Singleton is profligate just because he spends a lot more than me. He also earns and has a lot more than me.

The challenge for the Coalition, and no doubt what Fairfax and the ABC are hoping people forget how much better Howard and Costello did in managing the nation’s finances. Time and fading memories are on the ABC’s side.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 10:08 am
The Distinguished Fellow has also been monkeying with the wikipedia Gun Politics in Aust page.

You’d think the facts should be allowed to stand for themselves.

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 10:12 am
Time and fading memories?
It’s not that long ago, so the memory function would have to be completely razzed.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 10:27 am
Dot, perhaps I should have done a cut-and-paste…

But, well, it’s the Gruniard. I wanted to see what their tactics were, but beyond that, I could not really be botehred with such a rag.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:33 am
Wretchard just nails it:

…North Africa and the Sahel have been destabilized across the whole width of the continent. Egypt is in Muslim Brotherhood hands. Syria is blowing up good, with its chemical weapons possibly up for grabs. Turkey is now a front-line state. The Hezbollah are still in Lebanon. American forces are trapped in Afghanistan. The US military has been cut to the bone. And John Kerry, Chuck Hagel and John Brennan head the American security team.

Thank God they know what they’re doing. Brennan recently spoke about the Big Picture.

….

That’s telling them: what we really have to worry about are neo-Nazis. Let’s not forget the threat posed by Global Warming and trans-fat foods either. Ironically Brennan may be right. Europe is facing a year of crisis. Greece, Spain and the rest of the continent remain mired in the economic doldrums.

Robert Haddick writing late in 2012 in Foreign Policy notes that policymakers always seem to be surprised by the retrospectively obvious.

…

Administrations which suppress internal debate; which conceal the facts about events — like Benghazi — from any but a tight circle eventually shackle themselves into a tiny intellectual room where little, if any sunshine leaks in. The biggest price the Obama administration will pay for its top heavy leadership style centered around the One is that it has opened itself to the dangers of strategic surprise in an extraordinary degree. An Emperor surrounded by second raters, does not as some might think, equal decisive leadership. It equals myopia.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:36 am
A White House petition has been started to take the “compelling arguments” about the benefits of gun free zones to its logical conclusion:

Gun Free Zones are supposed to protect our children, and some politicians wish to strip us of our right to keep and bear arms. Those same politicians and their families are currently under the protection of armed Secret Service agents. If Gun Free Zones are sufficient protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough for politicians.

Guns for Me, but not for Thee.

Token

13 Jan 13 at 11:07 am
Presumably when the Libs left office, the limit was around $50 billion, which was unneeded. With the pre-election vote-buying exercise now underway, the only question is the 2013 date on which Gillard-Swan will bust the $300 billion limit. Mid-year looks optimistic. The annual interest bill is now around $1500 per household. FMD.

These figures need to be used in a massive advertising campaign by the Libs to fully inform the gullible about what is coming if they persist in voting for more of the same.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

13 Jan 13 at 11:12 am
Julia Gillard finally admits her carbon dioxide tax is a waste of time:

We’ll never again see a world without global warming.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 11:37 am
If Gun Free Zones are sufficient protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough for politicians.

Quite so. Guns MUST be removed from the entourage of Barack Obama. This will ensure his safety and the safety of his family.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 11:40 am
A “letter” to Austrayans complete with dragging in her dead father. What’s that about? A sympathy vote? Shame, gillard, shame.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 11:40 am
Anyone outside these categories found with a weapon designed to kill people should be assumed to have that end in mind and locked away from the rest of us until they can show that it is safe to let them out.

- John Quiggin

Big news from today’s karate training session! Having had the stuffing kicked out of me during the grading session at our annual training camp a couple of weeks ago, I wasn’t too sure that I’d get my upgrade to 9th kyu, which would have entitled me to a black tip on my orange belt. But, in a continuation of my recent run of luck, when our Kancho (founder) announced the results, I got a jump to 8th kyu, entitling me to a stylish blue belt (I’ll try and post a new photo soon). Perhaps this will discourage my opponents more effectively than the Fed Fellowship has done!

For those readers who live in Brisbane or the Gold Coast and are interested in learning karate, I strongly recommend Seiyushin for a traditional and rigorous style of karate training.

- John Quiggin

——————————————————

Macho men obessed with ‘self-defence’ who learn karate kill and injure more people in Australia in any given year than registered guns.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 11:46 am
The Center for American Progress – think tank of infamous Nazi collaborater George Soros – has published its wish list for ‘gun control.’

The plan calls for a Hitler-like suspension of democracy:

The Center for American Progress is recommending 13 new gun policies to the White House — some of them executive actions that would not require the approval of Congress…

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 11:58 am
Holy Shit!

Anyone just see that Hail Mary for the Ravens!!

Infidel Tiger

13 Jan 13 at 12:00 pm
Just reading the reminiscenses of the inner Sydney people.

My bestie in 1972 lived in Petersham, Douglas Street. She had a horse out at Narellan and then out near Camden. To pay for the agistment of the horse she had a paper run around Stanmore and Newtown.

We did the run together one day and, determined to sell all our papers, we walked up and down the streets at the crack of dawn blowing the whistle trying to sell the last Tele (I think it was).

Thosse were the days!

kae

13 Jan 13 at 12:01 pm
Oh, and she was in the Newtown Jets cheer squad, too.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 12:02 pm
Fuck yea IT. Great game so far.

Go ravens!

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 12:06 pm
Go the Jets (or blue bags if you are older).

I still can’t believe they kicked them out of the comp the year they made the Grand Final. The last time Newtown ever played a game in first grade was in a grand final. Mind you the recruiting area for the team was only about 10sq Km so it wasn’t sustainable with Souths at Erskinville, Balmain at Glebe, Wests from Petersham and Canterbury from Dulwich Hill. Newtown could draw on Newtown, Camperdown, Enmore, Stanmore and Marrickville. Definitely not sustainable, although once West’s moved to Lidcombe the Jets could have been given All the way to Burwood as a local area.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 12:40 pm
Fuck yea!!!!!

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 12:48 pm
Total Commonwealth Government Securities
on Issue – $262,286m consisting of:
Treasury Bonds – $223,148m
Treasury Indexed Bonds – $17,119m
Treasury Notes – $22,000m
Other Securities – $19m
As at 11 January 2013, Updated weekly
Face value amounts rounded to the nearest million.

For those of us who give a shit – count me out. This situation is unrecoverable unless we get inflation along the lines of the Weimar Republic.

Winston Smith

13 Jan 13 at 1:05 pm
Since when were the acutely mentally disturbed EVER allowed to own a firearm?

Do you support the closing of the gun show background check loophole in the US which allows people to buy guns without a background check?

And just how do you intend to determine who is acutely mentally disturbed (before they go postal) if people can’t afford to get access to mental health services and treatment in the first place?

Chris

13 Jan 13 at 1:28 pm
And just how do you intend to determine who is acutely mentally disturbed

See who they vote for. We know that at least 10% of Australians vote Green and should be incarcerated.

Infidel Tiger

13 Jan 13 at 1:30 pm
Do you support the closing of the gun show background check loophole in the US which allows people to buy guns without a background check?

You are misrepresenting the facts.

And just how do you intend to determine who is acutely mentally disturbed (before they go postal) if people can’t afford to get access to mental health services and treatment in the first place?

Most people can’t afford to go to prison, but somehow, they get locked up.

People go postal because they can’t afford to see a psych in the horrible US health system?

Fuck off.

.

13 Jan 13 at 1:33 pm
IT: We know that at least 10% of Australians vote Green and should be ~~incarcerated~~ sold into slavery to work the copper mines with hand tools, under the lash cruel overseers.

FTFY, IT!

WHy copper mines? The ore’s green!

Why ‘under the lash cruel overseers’?

Well, it’s one way to earn the $$ to pay off the vast debts these drooling cretins have amassed while in power. We just sell overseer slot rental on a per day basis. How much could we charge for the overseer position on Tubbsy Milne’s chain-gang, at competitive auction?

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 1:49 pm
Christ I hate David Akers right now.

.

13 Jan 13 at 2:03 pm
Pizza Hut now make a pizza with the crust stuffed with hot dog.

I think this may be the end of civilization.

Infidel Tiger

13 Jan 13 at 2:24 pm
IT,

Don’t buy it, problem solved.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 2:40 pm
While the Tele trots out a photo of that thing sitting on her flabby great clacker grinning stupidly out at the fools who put her there, Winston Smith reminds us:

“Total Commonwealth Government Securities
on Issue – $262,286m …

For those of us who give a shit – count me out. This situation is unrecoverable unless we get inflation along the lines of the Weimar Republic.”

She borrowed a further $219,355,000 per day in December – per day that is – and $45,475,000 for each day of January so far.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 3:15 pm
What’s with Gillard’s letter to the nation?

Hamish McSporran must be trying Real Julia Mk III. I expect she’ll be dragging her dead Dad around like Weekend at Bernies if McSporran thinks there a few votes in it.

H B Bear

13 Jan 13 at 3:17 pm
We’ll never again see a world without global warming.

So in the next billion years it will never cool?

What a fucking moron.

jupes

13 Jan 13 at 3:33 pm
You are misrepresenting the facts.

Nope. Background checks are not required for private gun sales in many states. So if you want a gun but would otherwise be denied it due to a background check then you can get it that way.

People go postal because they can’t afford to see a psych in the horrible US health system?

You don’t think that people with psychological problems may get worse if they can’t afford medical help? And if they don’t have contact with the medical system (for other problems they may have) because they can’t afford to then the chance of them being picked up by the medical system and at least put on the list of people to be denied access to guns is much lower.

Expecting people with serious psychological problems to “heal themselves” is akin to expecting a cancer patient to be strong enough to beat cancer without medical treatment.

Chris

13 Jan 13 at 3:41 pm
“What’s with Gillard’s letter to the nation?”

She is told by her soothsayer bloke that what she says and thinks is important. Letter to the nation phoooey! – cut it in half and hang it on the nail behind the outside dunny door.

“I expect she’ll be dragging her dead Dad around like Weekend at Bernies …”

Too right she will, with a few strategically faked sobs for a bloke who notched up a supersized “fail” with her.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 3:41 pm
37C inside and 39C outside, it’s supposed to get up to 40, but I don’t think it will make it now.

Over. Summer. Now.

There was a heatwave when we (the ex and I) moved into this house in December 1993. It was awful, and it was the same as the one we’re having now. Christmas wasn’t too bad that year, but January was very hot and humid.

Tomorrow’s temp max and min have risen by one degree, however, the next day the low will be 17. Yippee, that will cool the house down.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 3:52 pm
We’ll never again see a world without global warming.

There’s been no fucking warming for the last 16 years, FFS.

What’s the bet this trend continues?

Utterly shameless, staggeringly stupid, lying criminal scum.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 3:57 pm
“Pizza Hut now make a pizza with the crust stuffed with hot dog.

I think this may be the end of civilization.”

It is the end of civilisation. Gross. Who could possibly like this? Maybe unciviliseds like SATP? Then he can wash it all down with his very own patented beer spider!!!

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 4:00 pm
Over. Summer. Now.

A temperate 27 degrees here with a cooling breeze.

Remember kae, courtesy of this site’s very own staggeringly stupid, anti-scientific, fact and evidence free eunuch (if it makes you feel any better, which it probably won’t):

“The point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot”

A real Australian Summer, you can’t beat it.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 4:01 pm
Alice is SATP the same Steve as SFB?

.

13 Jan 13 at 4:02 pm
Pizza Hut now make a pizza with the crust stuffed with hot dog.

That’s the handiwork of some totally coked out marketing imbeciles right there for you.

No doubt it will become the Hut‘s biggest seller…

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 4:03 pm
Rabz is still hurting. Bless.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 4:05 pm
You don’t think that people with psychological problems may get worse if they can’t afford medical help? And if they don’t have contact with the medical system (for other problems they may have) because they can’t afford to then the chance of them being picked up by the medical system and at least put on the list of people to be denied access to guns is much lower.

Given that an inordinate number of the recent mass shooters in the US have been on prescribed psychotropic drugs, one assumes they were indeed able to access medical treatment, and in fact were under treatment at the time of their crimes.

Most of them would have had insurance as well, either through their parents (high-school aged), their schools (college aged) or if they were poor enough they would have been on Medicaid.

BTW, the Sandy Hook shooter’s mom was scoring $289,800 a year in alimony alone. I don’t think lack of money was their problem, either.

And the whole point is moot in the many cases where the shooters obtained their guns illegally — no background checks are done on thieves acquiring weapons unlawfully.

So.

sdog

13 Jan 13 at 4:06 pm
Rabz is still hurting. Bless.

No, still laughing, you fucking moron.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 4:07 pm
ABC Online:

Scorching heat stops outback trains.

!!!

The Canberra Times, 22 December 1953:

Shoppers Collapse, Train Tracks Buckle In Sydney’s Heat.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 4:15 pm
Yes but that was a different type of hot, the type of hot we are all used to CL, not like now, the point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 4:24 pm
Yes but that was a different type of hot, the type of hot we are all used to CL, not like now, the point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot.

The only thing hurting is my sides!

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 4:28 pm
Bless Gab, CL and Trove.

So many articles on heatwaves are there in The National Library.

When I first saw the hot dog stuffed crust I complained to my friends that just the thought of it it would make me vomit.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 4:30 pm
If there isn’t a bird called the Bitch-Faced Spackle, there should be.

sdog

13 Jan 13 at 4:30 pm
Oh, it’s 40 here now. Just came in from filling up Floyd’s little pool. Again.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 4:31 pm
Hope you have a fence around that portable pool, Kae. Nanny would be most upset and probably slap a fine on you otherwise.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 4:33 pm
Oh, it’s 40 here now

Hooray for not normal kinds of hotness!

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 4:34 pm
If anyone’s interested on what business thinks about Chinese growth at the coalface, I’m linking the alcoa investor comference call for a good read of what they think.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1101621-alcoa-s-ceo-discusses-q4-2012-results-earnings-call-transcript

These dudes think china will rebound with 11% growth!

JC

13 Jan 13 at 4:35 pm
Gab:

Yes but that was a different type of hot, the type of hot we are all used to CL, not like now, the point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Gab is correct. Why, its 32.6 here at the moment with a nice sea breeze BUT in that 32.6 is 0.0016 degress of not normal kind of hot super hot hottiness that makes it seem like its 55 with NO sea breeze.

And you know why?

THAT IS AGW CAUSED SUPER HOT HOTTINESS!!! it’s a crime against gaia and that’s why it’s not a normal kind of hot.

It’s just not the normal kind of hot. It’s extra super-duper hot sort of hot.

And you know why?

Because SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP. That’s why. Ask any AGW scammer, he’ll tell you.

Now send Tim Flannery your life’s savings and he will kiss it all betta!

[exit stage left, amid muffled chortles]

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 4:36 pm
Shocking summary of freak super heat wave:

TWO YEARS-WITHOUT RAIN – THE PARCHED INTERIOR.
NATIVE BIRDS KILLED BY THE HEAT.

- Adelaide advertisier, Wednesday 24 January 1906.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 4:38 pm
Rabz, et all.

Not normal hot.

Yeah, I heard that idiot Flannery on TV last night in a sound bite thing saying how this hot weather is unprecedented.

Utter tripe and bollocks. It’s been this hot before, we’ve had summer heatwaves (we’ve had winter heatwaves up here, too), so why is he getting away with spruiking this rubbish?

kae

13 Jan 13 at 4:42 pm
It’s all okay, folks as China is doing its utmost to stop the CO2 from invading the planet.

Beijing residents have been told to stay indoors as pollution described as the “worst on record” – 30 to 45 times above recommended safety levels – left the city shrouded in dense smog.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-13/beijing-pollution-hits-hazardous-levels/4462786

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 4:43 pm
Shocking summary of freak super heat wave:

Yes, CL.

It’s never, ever happened before! Ever.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 4:44 pm
Mmm.

The timing is slightly different but, really, there’s nothing historical to see here.

ABC Online:

Yesterday Thargomindah and Birdsville in the state’s south-west reached 49 degrees – their hottest January day since records began.

South Australian Register, 11 January 1899:

BIRDSVILLE, December 31. The weather during the past four or five weeks has been terribly hot, the glass having risen as high as 122. deg in the shade.

122 F = 50 C.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 4:47 pm
I blame the records. There were no temperature extremes before they started recording the temperatures 150 years ago.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 4:50 pm
“It’s been this hot before”

No, that’s the point. The recent heatwave broke records. If imbeciles want to argue that breaking records is ‘normal’, they should try. Instead, they have mouth-foaming tantrums and stew in their own bitterness. Doesn’t bother me either way.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 4:55 pm
“South Australian Register, 11 January 1899:”

If you have to go back over 100 years to find a hotter temperature, then you’ve proved my point – such heat isn’t normal!

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 4:59 pm
If you have to go back over 100 years to find a hotter temperature, then you’ve proved my point – such heat isn’t normal!

Bwahahahahahahahaha….

That’s because it’s a different type of hot, the type of hot we are all used to Jarrah, not like now, the point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Why, 49 degrees now is vastly hotter than 50 degrees in 1899.

Because shutup.

Look, I blame glowball warmenating.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 5:07 pm
Doesn’t bother me either way.

Seems it does, you fucking moron.

Can’t handle your indescribable idiocy being pointed out, eh?

BTW, NO records have been broken, you lying, panty pissing eunuch.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 5:07 pm
The new normal for an Australian Summer is two blokes getting married in a park.

Infidel Tiger

13 Jan 13 at 5:08 pm
That something isn’t normal does not imply that it is unprecedented. Yet all the blather about broken records is all about precedent.

Toxic

13 Jan 13 at 5:08 pm
Have any of these indescribable intellectual dog turds mentioned Asia is going or went through a serious cold spell which also broke records?

I notice that since I discussed this with stevesC the sex doll owner, he hasn’t shown up here.

Pansy bed wetting lunatics.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:15 pm
And if you die from a gunshot wound your not the normal kind of dead.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 5:17 pm
It is in the western burbs of sydney, jump.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:18 pm
JC
Sorry mate, not the normal kind of freezing.
Human induced freezing it is.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 5:19 pm
Anyways you know it’s a pack of lies because da glimate commission came out with a press statement…. That’s Tim flannery of course.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:20 pm
Jump

Thousands of people have died from the Asian cold snap and these pieces of shit are focusing on a hot Australian summer as a propaganda angle.

Fisk doctrine

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:23 pm
BoM has such a mendacious history of data-fiddling that every one of its utterances on climate needs to be fact-checked — unless, of course, you belong to the same political faction using the climate war as a trojan horse to attack capitalism. The Australian left are currently so power-drunk they believe they’re within sight of the remaking of our economic system in their image. There is a civil war going on. Bring on the election.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 5:25 pm
Because shutup.

Yep.

Record breaking, totally not normal, apocalyptic, unprecedented hotness that, did I mention, isn’t normal, I tells ya!

So, you evil bourgeois carbon criminals, stop using electrickery, stop driving a motor vehicle and hand over all your assets to the state.

Then front up to the nearest tractor factory at 5:30am and after a hard day’s toil before the plenipotentiaries, at 7:30pm you’ll be allocated your space in one of these.

This is about the future of teh Planet™ and for teh Kiddies™, I tells ya!

Oh and did I remind you to Shut Up!, because you know it makes sense.

Or Else.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 5:27 pm
JC
They lie, that’s all they’ve got left.
The truth will out.
I hope.
The alternative is we lie too, fuck that I say.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 5:28 pm
Tom

Don’t get your hopes up. After seeing what bailleu and that far idiot in NSW operate they’re just Labor lite without a set of balls.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:28 pm
Rabz

Like your attitude more and more each day. Please keep it up.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 5:30 pm
Thanks JC.

These obnoxious idiots need to be subjected to unrelenting, ever escalating ridicule.

We know it makes sense.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 5:33 pm
If you have to go back over 100 years to find a hotter temperature, then you’ve proved my point – such heat isn’t normal!

LOL.

C.L.

13 Jan 13 at 5:33 pm
I sometimes visit my local newspaper website and refute with fact the rubbish they spruik.
It’s the grassroots local that needs to be told the truth.
I hope people here do the same, I believe that makes more of a difference than repeating over and over to trolls here.
( I mean no offence to the genuine Cats )

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 5:40 pm
40 degrees here too Kae (SE Qld). Makes me pine for the year we almost froze on Christmas night. My brother and I sat around putting shit on each other for being stylishly dressed in cardigans belonging to our 79 year old father. But, sigh, that was a different kind of cold.

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 5:41 pm
Snap, Tracey. That’s where I am. SEQ.

But it’s now dropped under 40.

LOL. Still feels too feckin’ hot.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 5:55 pm
At least the beer is cold…
My poor old cat is suffering though. Damn that climate change!

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 6:00 pm
20 deg and pouring with rain in this part of Sydney.

Looks like we didn’t get the memo about thermaggeddon ?

Myrddin Seren

13 Jan 13 at 6:15 pm
Don’t get your hopes up.

One thing at a time. First we get rid of the communist kleptocracy. Then we go to war with the Brand B socialists.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 6:19 pm
Tracey
If my dogs didn’t hate the hose they’d be fine.
Floyd likes to splash in his kiddie pool.

(It’s not fenced, either. But neither are the dams on adjoining properties, nor the big reclaimed dam which has been built on swampland and people water ski on it….)

Myrddin, send it up here, please!

We’re supposed to have rain tomorrow, but still hot. 34C.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 6:20 pm
kae

Insider secret.

I put the clothes on the line – the clouds appear and voila – it rains.

My powers are awesome.

Myrddin Seren

13 Jan 13 at 6:22 pm
The wonder of modern vehicles is that you no longer have to travel home from the summer holidays slowy baking away with all the windows down, perhaps trying wet towels jammed in the door to drop the temperature in the car. I don’t believe I have seen a new car sold recently without air conditioning. My kids will never know a car without a/c.

Must increase the milage a bit, don’t tell the ~~stasi~~ greens.

entropy

13 Jan 13 at 6:22 pm
“the point being that it’s not the normal kind of hot.”

It’s finally getting through to you, is it? Good.

“BTW, NO records have been broken”

Prove it.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 6:23 pm
kae.

Cat get together this week?

Invite Tracey and the rest of the rabble. CBD?

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 6:24 pm
“These obnoxious idiots need to be subjected to unrelenting, ever escalating ridicule.”

What else are you going to do, when you don’t have an argument? Chuck a tanty and call it ridicule.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 6:24 pm
Myreddin:

20 deg and pouring with rain in this part of Sydney.

I bet that’s not a normal kind of rain y’got there.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 6:25 pm
Cars are wondrous now Entropy. Both yesterday and today I have gotten into my air conditioned car and just driven aimlessly around for about 1.5 hours. Please don’t tell Christine or Sarah anyone.

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 6:26 pm
Jarrah, I think CL has been demonstrating the lack of records being broken.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 6:30 pm
Mk50, thanks for including me (new as I am). I would very much love to attend a Cat drinkfest some time. Unfortunately though I’m 3hrs from Bris (in, dare I say it, Joh country).

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 6:31 pm
all the news seems to be about the PM’s commission of inquiry into child abuse

Commissioners are being appointed – gillard is getting all earnest and passionate (my god that word is overused!)

But has anybody seen the terms of reference?

I think the way the Rudd/Gillard Govt operate is that you don’t really need to govern or anything hard like that or have any sort of procedure – all you need is media releases and if those don’t work then have an inquiry or commission a report

Or is it just me

val majkus

13 Jan 13 at 6:31 pm
“Jarrah, I think CL has been demonstrating the lack of records being broken.”

He cites a media report to refute a media report. Forgive me if I don’t take it seriously.

Come to think of it, where’s the ‘scepticism’ now?

BoM? No they’re lying. A 120-year-old unverifiable report using information from god-knows-who using god-knows-what equipment? Gospel.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 6:40 pm
when you don’t have an argument

You’ve never had one, so why should I bother?

Anyway, as pointed out (not just by me), no records have been broken.

You talk hysterical, fact free crap, as always.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 6:40 pm
Dot

”

Alice is SATP the same Steve as SFB?

I dont know. I was referring to Steve at the pub (SATP). If his other name is Steve from Brisbane

to tell the truth I dont know if its the same guy. Sounds like him. If it is he runs a pub and experiments with beer and icecream mixtures.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 6:41 pm
If imbeciles want to argue that breaking records is ‘normal’, they should try.

Can non-imbeciles have a go Jarrah?

Breaking records is indeed normal. Every single year weather records are broken all over the globe. Some are hot, some are cold, some are dry and some are rain. But it has been happening every year since records have been recorded.

The point is; if hot records are evidence for global warming, what are cold records?

jupes

13 Jan 13 at 6:42 pm
I missed this excellent piece earlier on the fightback against the Green pyromaniacs:

WHENEVER a major bushfire catastrophe occurs in Australia, the victims are essentially told to shut up.

It happened after Victoria’s Black Saturday fires in 2009. It happened after the Canberra bushfires, 10 years ago on Friday. And it’s happening now in Tasmania.

“Now is not the time for that conversation,” says the Tasmanian Minister for Emergency Management, David O’Byrne, avoiding questions about why adequate hazard reduction burns were not done in cooler months to remove fuel from the path of inevitable summer fires.

It’s just too early, claims Premier Lara Giddings, presiding over Tasmania’s ALP-Greens coalition.

But the residents of Dunalley, whose town was overrun, and the farmers whose properties and livestock have been wiped out, want that conversation right now.

Now is the time for farmers to complain that they could never get a permit to burn off excessive ground fuel on their properties.

Now, while public attention is focused, and before the truth can be buried for years.

RTWT.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 6:43 pm
Chuck a tanty and call it ridicule.

Pathetic – pointing out your indescribable idiocy is hardly ‘chucking a tanty’.

You are a laughing stock, you fucking moronic eunuch.

Lap it up.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 6:47 pm
if hot records are evidence for global warming, what are cold records?

Evidence of “Catastrophic Human Induced Climate Change” and don’t anyone dare mention shifting goal posts.

Imbeciles.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 6:50 pm
NASA released reports on the 8th that the sun sorta kinda affects earths temperature, shit ay, well there ya go.

Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed.

The last graph looks interesting.
(disclaimer- I am NOT a Climate Economy Editor )

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 6:52 pm
“Breaking records is indeed normal.”

In the globalised abstract, in a period of accelerated climate change, maybe. But a specific record being broken isn’t normal – a record is, by definition, the extreme end of a distribution. Extremes aren’t normal. Imbeciles like Rabz thought that axiomatic truth was maddeningly stupid. I think claiming extremes are normal is a level of stupid that is, well, extreme.

“Every single year weather records are broken all over the globe.”

Since that was the prediction of climate scientists quite some time ago, I’m not surprised. But see above.

“Some are hot, some are cold”

The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade. I wonder why?

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 6:54 pm
“pointing out your indescribable idiocy is hardly ‘chucking a tanty’.”

Going ridiculously overboard with the abuse, complete with Caps Lock and bold type, certainly is chucking a tanty.

I briefly worried you were going to burst a blood vessel.

Don’t worry, I don’t take the vitriol personally. I assume it comes from the self-loathing from working in the public service and being unable to find a woman who can stomach your presence.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 6:57 pm
jarrah

The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade. I wonder why?

Evidence please.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 6:58 pm
complete with Caps Lock

Wrong.

the self-loathing from working in the public service

Wrong.

being unable to find a woman who can stomach your presence.

Wrong.

A trifecta. Well done, you fucking moron.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 7:00 pm
SatP runs a pub.

SfB makes beer floaters.

Two entirely different people.

kae

13 Jan 13 at 7:00 pm
“Wrong.”

You fucking moron, what part of: “we are experiencing a normal Australian SUMMER” are you too fucking stupid to understand, FFS?

Look at that – I was right. What a surprise. And, coincidentally, this shows why my old skool practice of using quote marks has utility. I bet that makes you even more mad.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 7:05 pm
In the globalised abstract, in a period of accelerated climate change, maybe.

No. Since records have been recorded they have been broken, Every. Single. Year.

Since that was the prediction of climate scientists quite some time ago, I’m not surprised.

Wow, don’t tell me they have actually got something right. But see above.

The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade.

Links please.

jupes

13 Jan 13 at 7:05 pm
The ABC has just given the best lead yet regarding an early election, saying on the 7.00 News that they will be featuring a special and heightened level of coverage of climate change all this week.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 7:10 pm
Extremes aren’t normal.

And yet it happened, just like it did before.

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 7:10 pm
Jarrah:

Since that was the prediction of climate scientists quite some time ago,…

Weeeeelllll…. as they predicted everything from glowball warmenating killing all the coral to glowball warmenating making all the coral grow faster, and their computer models put the ‘epic’ in fail, forgive me for smirking at the sentence above.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 7:14 pm
I bet that makes you even more mad.

Err, no.

You’re the one repeatedly claiming my pointing out that you’re are an indescribable imbecile has no effect on you and yet you keep on snapping back like a six inch high rat dog.

I used caps once for one word. Big bloody deal.

You’re still a pathetic, emasculated, gullible, bed wetting wrongologist – nothing alters that immutable fact.

Now fuck off, you boring, sanctimonious, self important deadshit.

Oh, speaking of “not the normal kind hot” it’s 19 degrees here with a cool breeze and raining.

I love summer.

Rabz

13 Jan 13 at 7:14 pm
Jarrah, the slow-moving, three-toed sloth (but always dangling from a branch near you) of the troll species.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 7:20 pm
I love summer.

Me too. We’ve had nothing over 30 in Mackay.
The average Max is 30, yet somehow it doesn’t feel like the “normal kind of hot.”

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 7:21 pm
Nope. Blogstrop, I have to disagree.

Jarrah’s not a troll.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 7:22 pm
Sorry, but he’s worn out his welcome with me, being a determined antibody on every subject.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 7:25 pm
jupes

“”The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade.”"

Links please.

If he comes back with a Lemondrops Milne quote I may piddle a little from laughing.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
South Australian Register, 11 January 1899:

BIRDSVILLE, December 31. The weather during the past four or five weeks has been terribly hot, the glass having risen as high as 122. deg in the shade.

122 F = 50 C.

Yep. I agree. For five weeks, ‘terribly hot’.

It wasn’t catastrophic, it was quite normal for the area, and it didn’t fry up the world fifteen years later in 1914.

That was something else ‘anthropogenic’. Equally stupid as Glowball Warming.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

13 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
I could inject a contrary argument on any debating topic too. It’s pretty easy.

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 7:28 pm
To lighten the mood somewhat.

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 7:28 pm
“”The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade.

Actually ,considering the global temp has been flat, if you remove those, say, 3% of places that have had extremes, the rest of us have had cooling.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 7:32 pm
Hey Rabz good last quarter of a game for Sydney FC pulling off an unlikely win.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 7:35 pm
The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade.

Anyone else remember when the climate fraudsters told us that ten years was not climate, just weather?

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 7:37 pm
Potemkin’s Village

This cartoon of the PM’s sexual activity is… here

Grigory Potemkin

13 Jan 13 at 7:46 pm
But a specific record being broken isn’t normal – a record is, by definition, the extreme end of a distribution.

Well this old skeptic disagrees a bit.

Why do records always increase? There is one obvious reason. By definition they cannot go down, so if they change it must be in an upward direction. One further possible reason for records to increase is that the quantity being observed is not stationary (e.g. the average value is actually increasing with time), but even if the process is stationary there is still a reason for records to increase. As we keep adding data, the size of the statistical sample is increasing.

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 7:47 pm
Sinc, Dans link at 7;35pm is a whole thread in itself.
Good grief Wayno is a lying idiot.

jumpnmcar

13 Jan 13 at 7:47 pm
hey yeah, gab!

I remember the ‘ten years is just weather’ bollocks.

Now they scream that a week of hot weather in the middle of summer is proof of anthropogenic climate change.

Remember ‘you must believe in glowball warming due to the precautionary principle’?

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 7:48 pm
Nice one, Grigory.

But thank God you did not illustrate the actual act. be like a bucket of smashed crabs mating with a puddle of vulture vomit.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 7:51 pm
A ripper by Miranda Devine: Stop telling bushfire victims to shut up
The green psychopathy fully revealed.

Keith

13 Jan 13 at 7:56 pm
Swan has really lost his mind. He appears more amped up about a trip overseas than anything else. I give him absolute shit on twitter and I get nothing in return.

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 8:02 pm
Kae

”

SatP runs a pub.

SfB makes beer floaters.

Two entirely different people.”

Are you sure Kae?

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 8:17 pm
Well I have to say folks – although I have been ebduring the heatwaves on the sand on the Northern beaches in Sydney.

I cant work out why the sea is still so cold at 22!
Are the ice caps melting as they say?

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 8:19 pm
The water is cold!

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 8:20 pm
I am sick of the greens and the “dont burn this and dont burn that”.
This country needs regular burn offs and I dont give a fig what they say.
They used to do regular burn offs till the greens atarted harping on.
They are nothing but a bloody nuisance sometimes.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 8:22 pm
get with it, Alice FFS…

I cant work out why the sea is still so cold at 22!

Jarrah noted that hot is not what it used to be. So obviously, cold isn’t, either.

“The point being that it’s not the normal kind of cold.”

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 8:30 pm
You really are a thicko Alice

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 8:50 pm
Anyone else in Sydney having Chrome continually saying problems with sites?

blogstrop

13 Jan 13 at 8:52 pm
The water is cold!

Then stick it in the kettle and boil the fuckng stuff, you idiot Alice.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 8:56 pm
JC,

I think Alice’s argument is that we have figuratively boiled the water to 22 degrees. LOL. I thought the water was pretty cool on Sydney’s beaches this year. It wasn’t QLD temperature as far a s I could tell.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 8:59 pm
John C, I sent you an email yesterday – let me know if you didn’t get it.

Friday night at Realm is good for me.

Since I also lived in Newtown, am a fan of Chris Bailey and Nick Cave, plus a few other clues, sounds like we may have a bit to chat about.

Oh, and to the kind person who suggested that I am ‘cute’, well, I was, but a bit long in the tooth for that word now. Thanks, though.

johanna

13 Jan 13 at 9:00 pm
Yea I know John

JC

13 Jan 13 at 9:10 pm
Johanna, I will get back to you tomorrow on the email. As a good Cat you will be welcomed into the CCC. Sounds like the Realm it is, then.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 9:18 pm
That pipe and beer after a hard day’s labour was glorious.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:19 pm
JCs
The water was cold at 22. Really.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:23 pm
Listen you idots. I know when the water is colder than usual. I have been living here 30 years. I dont know where you dumbos lik MK or the bogan Dan who called me a thicko live – it could be Hobart for all I know. Its all relative.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:26 pm
“Every. Single. Year.”

Links please.

“Anyone else remember when the climate ~~fraudsters~~ realists told us that ten years was not climate, just weather?”

It is just weather. We are talking about weather extremes, Gab. Like I said on the original thread, any extreme weather event can’t be attributed with certainty to climate change.

“Jarrah, the slow-moving, three-toed sloth (but always dangling from a branch near you) of the troll species.”

Sigh. Some people just struggle with basic English comprehension. There’s probably no hope for them at this late stage.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 9:28 pm
Anyway John Comenus

Who are you but the chief organiser of every cat pub crawl between Brisbane and Canberra?.

Thats quite a bit of travelling you do.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:29 pm
“Jarrah noted that hot is not what it used to be.”

Please don’t verbal me, Mk50. Unless you want me to make up stuff about you too?

“being a determined antibody on every subject.”

Utterly false. There are many subjects where I’m in agreement with the overall theme of the blog. It’s just that, unfortunately, you don’t compensate for confirmation bias.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 9:31 pm
I know I can be an angry bastard but I recommend the death bowl and some strong malty lager to calm the nerves.

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:33 pm
“I used caps once for one word.”

Rabz admits he’s a shameless liar. Or getting senile and forgetting what he did one day ago.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 9:35 pm
Comments on what the law or public policy should have been, please:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reelfoot_Lake#Nightriders

.

13 Jan 13 at 9:37 pm
Death bowl Dot?
Give it up now. Immediately.
You are better off fiery. Not all of us have or should have blancmange persnalities.
If its the death bowl I think you mean you will end up with a face like a person who has had botox. No expression at all.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:38 pm
Jarrah

You have to watch MK50. He is a dodgy bugger.
One minute he agrees with you and the next he turns like rabid dog.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:40 pm
Time for bed…too late for me now.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:41 pm
Alice, I’m a Bevan, not a bogan.

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 9:45 pm
“Potemkin’s Village

This cartoon of the PM’s sexual activity is… here”

Have a giggle at this excellent piece (up a bit, at 7:46pm).

I’ve watched a half dozen or so Prime Ministers, since Billy McMahon, and not one of them was offered, or deserved, this manner of open public ridicule.

This one most certainly does and I delight in seeing it occur.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 9:46 pm
Dan you are both Bevan, Bogan and thicko until you apologise!
Bevan? Bloody scot.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:48 pm
Duck don’t care. Duck don’t give a shit. The Duck is badass.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 9:50 pm
hehehe.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 9:52 pm
“… such heat isn’t normal!”

Jarrah – I’ve just had a look at what you’ve been on about.

You’re a bloody idiot.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 9:52 pm
“hehehe”

Well done Gabrielle – the shop owner oughta be knighted!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

13 Jan 13 at 9:55 pm
badass duck LOl. I really have to go to bed now. That was funny Gab.

Alice

13 Jan 13 at 9:55 pm
Thanks for your reply to my Gaddies question John Commenus. If you happen to hear of an unsavoury incident involving the stalking of Phil Moriarty I’m afraid the culprit will be me.

Tracey

13 Jan 13 at 9:56 pm
“Jarrah noted that hot is not what it used to be.”

Please don’t verbal me, Mk50. Unless you want me to make up stuff about you too?

You did not make that comment? I thought you did. Apols if not.

I don’t use left-wing tactics on you in any case, you are neither a troll nor a totalitarian and it’s not ethically or morally correct to do so.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:03 pm
Dickhead, the Pacific Ocean stays at a constant temperature year round. The Indian is about a degree cooler. Year round.

It’s common knowledge. Or should be. If you don’t understand evaporation and how the ocean can feel cooler on a hot day, then I’ll call you a thicko with impunity.

Now off to bed with you.

Dan

13 Jan 13 at 10:03 pm
Fatherly advice.

A 5mb hard drive of yore loaded on a flight.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 10:05 pm
OK. Gab & rabz. I am confused.

Who made the ‘normal kind of hot’ comment, and where?

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:05 pm
The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

is what the J Boy actually said, Mk50.

lol

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 10:08 pm
Hammy in top form on Troppo

We do need massive changes to our ways of living to combat the disaster of climate change. The overthrow of capitalism is just the start. Mankind has to be stopped from reproducing itself so much. The Chinese have made a start but even their one-baby law is nowhere near enough. The cessation of medical treatment to people once they turn 50 may have to be considered, so as to limit ever-expanding life-spans. Incentives for sterilisation at puberty should also be considered.

Poor Old Rafe

13 Jan 13 at 10:09 pm
Got it! Ta.

“Imagine. In a country where the new year starts 9 days after the summer solstice, that the first part of the year is hot.”

The point being it’s not the normal kind of hot.

Jarrah
11 Jan 13 at 2:37 pm

And appropriate fun-poking has ensued.

Jarrah at 2131:

“Jarrah noted that hot is not what it used to be.”

Please don’t verbal me, Mk50. Unless you want me to make up stuff about you too?

So I did NOT verbal you!

Consider yourself flogged with a lawyer vine.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:12 pm
Damn, why can’t he find form here?

.

13 Jan 13 at 10:13 pm
Damn straight it’s not the normal hot. I had to wear a big woolly jumper to church this afternoon, and my girl is in her long flannel pyjamas.

Yeah, I love this heat wave. Climate change my arse – this is Melbourne in January. Same as every year, all over the place.

nilk

13 Jan 13 at 10:14 pm
Holy crap. Hammy-on-crystal-meth.

I know people think he’s Composta reborn, but I can’t see it. No matter where the racist little bugger is, he trolls furiously. Pure troll, nothing more.

Mk50 of Brisbane

13 Jan 13 at 10:16 pm
Was just going to say that Badass Duck was the best thing that has happened to me laughwise today (HIA and I had a spat but we are touchy-feely friends again now).

However, Rafe’s piece from Hammy just takes the cake. I think the puberty piece even beats his own flammable self meme.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

13 Jan 13 at 10:17 pm
Hammy’s flammable self, that is (grammatical oops). Don’t think Rafe has ever threatened to light himself up in order to save the planet as happened when Hammy first came to our attention.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

13 Jan 13 at 10:20 pm
Goodfeathers restaurant scene.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 10:23 pm
It remains not only a viable probability, but a virtal certainty that the Hamster is an inmate in a maximum security psychiatric care facility, who has been assigned a laptop and encouraged to express himself on blogs as a therapeutic substitute for violent threats to family, friends, acquaintances and former work colleagues.

Tom

13 Jan 13 at 10:35 pm
Just in case you’re not one of the 56,311,315 people who have seen this…The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger (original narration by Randall).

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 10:37 pm
Hammy’s on acid, crack, meth, E, pot, weed, uppers, downers, inners and outers. He’s shootin up, jacking up, lighting up, droppin pills, snorting, smokin, eatin and otherwise ingestin mind altering substances. No one can be that much of a fascist.

John Comnenus

13 Jan 13 at 10:53 pm
Shelving.

.

13 Jan 13 at 10:59 pm
According to Matt Ridley, peak farmland may have arrived, with the amount of land needed for farming likely to decrease over the next 50 years.

Indeed, the authors find that this retreat from the land would have already begun but for one factor so lunatic that they cannot imagine it will not be reversed soon: biofuels. If the world had not decided to subsidize the growing of energy crops on 3.4% of arable land, then absolute declines in the acreage of arable land “would have begun during the last decade.”

Eddystone

13 Jan 13 at 11:29 pm
Sick in the head watch

Harry on Molyan

I can understand the moral tension Jonathan must have experienced.

Harry thinks this little prick was acting morally so it’s ok. Okay.

JC

13 Jan 13 at 11:39 pm
“So I did NOT verbal you!”

You said I said something I didn’t say. That’s verballing me. Gab already corrected you.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 11:43 pm
“Jarrah – I’ve just had a look at what you’ve been on about. You’re a bloody idiot.”

Swell. Yet another insulter-without-argument.

Jarrah

13 Jan 13 at 11:45 pm
Watched one minute of the SBS series on mining. No doubt they will find the industry has contributed to Australia’s historical wealth and current good fortune.

Similarly we can expect Their ALPBC’s series on “climate change” over the next week to highlight the lack of temperature change over the past 15 years, IPCC backtracking on its claims and failure of its modelling.

It will be great to see this balance from our publicly funded broadcasters.

H B Bear

13 Jan 13 at 11:54 pm
In the Tele I see:

“Compensation costs for stressed and injured federal public servants have doubled in a year to nearly $1 billion.

Comcare … has recorded its first loss, a $564 million for 2011-12.

It blames the blow-out on a surge in claims and public servants “not recovering as quickly as they should”.

… dealing with a rash of controversial compo claims, many for bullying and “adjustment disorder”

… government departments … will have to … pay higher premiums for … coverage, which has jumped to 1.77 per cent of payroll costs this financial year

… Comcare had dealt with a “moderate increase” in mental health claims during 2012.

“People are much more aware of bullying now and the fact they don’t have to put up with it,” …

Mental health claims made up 8 per cent of Comcare claims during 2011-12, with bullying accounting for nearly half the mental stress cases.

Three in every four claims related to “body stressing” “

The bone idle, useless slobs wonder why people consider them to be otherwise unemployable! They enjoy the most cosseted work conditions, the best ever begging off work excuses – résumé writing leave, preparing for job interview leave – and each day they shuffle in to bludge their way through to pay day, on which they get their loot whether they’ve done a good job or nothing at all.

The mental health charade is a giggle. They don’t have to make a profit or increase sales or do anything productive. It’s either chronic embarassment at being a public servant or anguish that the party may be over soon if and when the evil Liberals take charge.

As for bullying – I saw a Brisbane hospital clerks’ encampment recently and the walls were plastered with posters saying “No, no, no – it’s not on”. Everyone was watching everyone else, to make sure they weren’t adding an extra spoon of sugar at coffee time it seemed. The joint would be full of dobbers and the entitled and I doubt the boss is empowered to say anything even mildly directive to the precious little petals, let alone bully them.

“body stressing”? That’d be because too many of them are fat, fat, fat, from my observations. I don’t know how that becomes a workers comp matter.

I wonder who picks up the tab for the Comcare loss and for the increased premiums each department now has to pay for the bludgers???

Mick Gold Coast QLD

14 Jan 13 at 1:12 am
$1 billion for these slobs per year. Fme.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 1:19 am
As I keep saying, the APS is the biggest, most powerful and most destructive vested interest in the country. The liberals need to immediately take them off their 15% super rort and tie their pay and conditions to the private sector average. Then the Liberals need to outsource as much public administration as is possible, starting with the forecasting department in Treasury. Parkinson should be told his forecasts have been so woeful he will not only get no bonus but he will be sacked for incompetence for the rotten estimates the department has provided and for bringing in the World’s first tax that raises no money.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 2:45 am
Henry Ergas in the Oz puts Peter Martin’s recent article through the shredder, and makes some good comments about the lack of propriety of the ABC, which comes as no surprise to us.
It is a measure of the distorted lens being used in current affairs that the often referred to need for some form of media overlordship never seems to reference this sort of travesty, but is instead aiming at News Ltd and conservative blogs.
Tim Blair has just highlighted some appalling statements by islamic opinion leaders, but we never hear of them being called to account for hate speech.
There is something rotting in our democracy.

Blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 6:43 am
Blog strop
Our Islamic friends are never subject to any hate speech laws because those laws were designed to shut us up, not them. Oh and because the cops are too scared to apply the law equally to them as well.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 7:09 am
As Green-Gilllard Labor (Communist wing) staggers to its doom, voters with experience of hung parliaments are telling pollsters what they think of the concept:

THE Barnett government is untouchable at the start of the West Australian election campaign, with an extended 58-42 two-party-preferred lead over Labor, the Coalition’s most commanding position in a year.
A Newspoll taken exclusively for The Australian between October and last month shows Labor’s primary support unchanged since the July-September polling period at 30 per cent, despite a concerted effort by senior members of the opposition to capitalise on a heightened level of voter dissatisfaction with Premier Colin Barnett.
There was no shift in primary support for the Coalition either. Newspoll, taken over six weekends in October, November and last month, shows it remains comfortably ahead on 49 per cent, almost the same result recorded during the polling period from July to September last year.
On a two-party-preferred basis, the Liberal-Nationals government recorded a very strong 58 per cent, one percentage point higher than the previous polling period and five percentage points higher than during the January-March Newspoll. Labor, however, is trailing on a two-party-preferred basis with its lowest result in a year.
Mr Barnett yesterday told reporters he believed the election on March 9 was “going to be close”. But successive Newspolls indicate that, since the hung parliament that followed the September 2008 election, the Liberals and Nationals have opened and retained a big lead on Labor.

The WA state election will be an excellent prelude to next kleptocratic federal budget in May. Spin that, McSporran.

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 7:29 am
The need for unemployment ALP-Green voters to have their lifestyle further subsidised is now urgent:

SOCIAL welfare groups and Labor backbenchers have warned the Gillard government that a proposed $50-a-week boost to the Newstart allowance is “non-negotiable” and must not be ducked by adopting other measures to assist the unemployed.

Amid growing pressure to increase the payments to the jobless, currently just $35 a day, the federal government has begun modelling a number of welfare changes, as revealed in The Weekend Australian. But advocates yesterday said a substantial rise in the Newstart allowance was needed as the foundation for any other relief proposals.

National Welfare Rights Network president Maree O’Halloran said the increase should be introduced with bipartisan support, along with other steps such as increasing the amount of paid work that can be done without threatening Newstart payments.

“The $50 per week (increase) is non-negotiable in that it was put forward by the Ken Henry review,” she said. “It’s a well-based policy position that’s been thoroughly investigated and endorsed by community groups.

“To do anything other than the substantial increase . . . would just not be acceptable.”

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 7:39 am
jarrah

The hot ones outnumber the cold ones 2:1 in the past decade. I wonder why?

Evidence please.

Interesting to note that Jarrah is in a post evidence world.

All hat, not cattle.

Guys I think we are looking at a wannabe Public Service head.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 7:59 am
Why would the Coalition brains trust play into McTernan’s hands by making the next election all about AbbottAbbottAbbott?:

THEY could hold three of the key portfolios and be in charge of multi-billion-dollar budgets if the Coalition wins government this year – but most of the electorate has no idea who they are.

A group of near-invisible Opposition frontbenchers could prove a thorn in the side of Tony Abbott by failing to make themselves known.

Opposition spokesman for defence David Johnston, who could be in charge of the nation’s armed forces by the end of the year, is the ultimate faceless man, with not one person in a survey of 100 able to identify him.

But the West Australian Liberal senator plans to keep it that way. “I don’t do Facebook and I don’t do Twitter,” he said.

Just five of 100 nationally could identify former Howard government minister Kevin Andrews, a 21-year political veteran responsible for holding Labor to account in the key family and housing portfolios.

Peter Dutton, the Queensland MP in line to take responsibility for the $60 billion a year health budget if the Coalition wins, fared marginally better, with six people identifying him around the country.

The survey – conducted in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane – will reinforce concerns of Liberal strategists that many of Mr Abbott’s frontbench have next to no profile and are struggling to hold Labor to account.

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 7:59 am
Our Islamic friends are never subject to any hate speech laws because those laws were designed to shut us up, not them. Oh and because the cops are too scared to apply the law equally to them as well.

The new Brahma class of Australia.

* Trade Union thugs and bullies.
* The koories from humpy town.
* The islamist hate-mongers
* Feral lefties in a street protest / squatting in a city square / forest camp
* People who pay organised criminals to get them into Australia illegally

The police and especially magistrates have taught them they can commit any degree of violence and property damage they like and they will not suffer the punishment the people who pay taxes face.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 8:06 am
Beaut Blair read on the new Green hypocrisy: it’s different when they do fraud.

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 8:23 am
That sums it up Token. Shall we call them Gillard’s Tattlers?

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 8:23 am
Obama really doesn’t like having women around much.

Remember how the lefties made weirdo jokes of Romney noting he asked staff to get him binders of talented women to appoint to key positions in his cabinet in Massachussets?

2 months after left women of the US “voted like their vaginas depended upon it” the Sun King has rewarded them by creating the first all male cabinet in over 20 years. If Eric Holder goes it may be the first all white male (except the Sun King himself).

We have to hand it to the “diversity” crowd, for at least they’re consistent. The temptation must have been to look the other way as President Obama assembled his second-term cabinet. They have done no such thing. “This term,” Elspeth Reeve grumbled in The Atlantic, the president is “picking a lot of white males.” The “White House’s top ranks” are redolent of a “boys club,” an article by CNN’s Halimah Abdullah complained.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 8:27 am
The police and especially magistrates….

It’s the magistrates completely. Police prosecutors are treated like stage props for magistrates to rage at while they deliver their fine speeches about human rights. The police are mired in process and regs in an attempt to respond to the bench’s ‘concerns’. When the police actually achieve the impossible of satisfying every judicial whim, they are then accused of pursuing a vendetta against the poor crim.
The ACT has had just one successful murder prosecution in about ten years. (there have been plenty of murders in that time)
If there is a Brahmin class in Oz, it’s magistrates. So, disconnected from the community, they pretty much despise the society they nominally serve.

Keith

14 Jan 13 at 8:28 am
Henry Ergas’ articles in the Oz usually get their own Cat post. Looks like this one hasn’t so far, but it deserves to as it underlines the abject stupidity of FauxFacts & their ABC:

YOU don’t need to be a professor of economics to know John Howard was more fiscally prudent than Silvio Berlusconi. And if an econometric study suggested the opposite, you would look very carefully at its data and methods before placing much weight on its results. Unless, that is, you were the Fairfax press and the ABC.

That the ABC wouldn’t bother to do so may come as no surprise. But one expects better of The Age’s Peter Martin, who is a decent person and a respected professional. However, that didn’t stop Martin beating up the claim that an International Monetary Fund staff working paper found Howard to be fiscally imprudent while exonerating the Whitlam government of any such charge.

Bad enough that Martin described the paper as representing the views of the IMF, which a disclaimer on its front page prominently warns against doing. Even worse, he cannot have read the paper carefully. For had he done so, he would have spotted obvious problems with the conclusions he imputes to it.

[H/t Gab who was onto this as soon Martin published the article last week]

Token

14 Jan 13 at 8:39 am
Keith,

A great many magistrates wear their contempt for the community on their sleeves as a badge of honor. Can’t be letting the Bogans, or their representatives, think they have any say in the law. No – parliament simply creates opportunities for the magistracy to find new ways to enforce their ideals on the rest of the community.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 8:52 am
Says it all Piers, don’t it!

No one is coming to save you. You are on your own.

Next time you see Piers Morgan on TV, remember the LA SWAT team waited FOUR HOURS in front of an -empty- store with wounded kids trapped in it.

Newstimes.

SWAT members surrounded the store. They later rushed in.

lol. 4 hrs later.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 8:55 am
Beaut Blair read on the new Green hypocrisy: it’s different when they do fraud.

Fri 11 Jan 13 (03:31pm)

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 8:55 am
A Fairfax journalist proves how the lefty magistrates are rewarded for their slavish loyalty to the hate mongers

Another telling moment came in the aftermath of the demonstration when supporters of a Muslim man charged with assaulting police refused to stand when the magistrate entered the court. It was a calculated act of disrespect for Australian law.

One hopes the parliamentary inquiry ordered by the Premier, which will consider diluting the section of the Anti-Discrimination Act that requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt of serious racial vilification, will be alert to the way in which anti-discrimination and anti-vilification laws are abused.

The article has important context on why Alan Jones was reading out angry messages about muslims in the days before the “Cronulla Incident”*

* This description is in line with official descriptions as the Muslim Incident in the Sydney CBD and the Humpy/Feral Incident on Australia Day last year.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 8:59 am
Just a heads-up, JournoList has apparently issued a new decree that demands for gun control will now be couched as pleas for more “gun safety“.

Via Ace:

Put this one on your radar screens. Since “gun control” polls right up there with asking your mother-in-law to move in with you, the left needs a new term. This one must’ve focus-grouped well.

About to go on @cnnsitroom with @wolfblitzer & @ewerickson to talk gun safety. Is NRA unreasonable to oppose ALL gun safety proposals?
— Paul Begala (@PaulBegala) January 11, 2013

Now that’s just asinine. The NRA literally wrote the rules for gun safety, and their Eddie Eagle program has taught gun safety to millions of kids.

They don’t oppose gun safety at all. Gun control, OTOH …

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 9:00 am
[H/t Gab who was onto this as soon Martin published the article last week]

This is why we read the Cat Hear everything here first!

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 9:03 am
Next time you see Piers Morgan on TV, remember the LA SWAT team waited FOUR HOURS in front of an -empty- store with wounded kids trapped in it.

At least one if not more of the Columbine victims would have lived had the police gone in sooner. Instead they just surrounded the school and let the two pyschos take all the time they wanted, and then even AFTER they had had enough and killed themselves, and so obviously there were no more shots heard, it was over three hours before they found & evacuated the wounded… many of whom had bled to death in the interim.

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 9:21 am
Heh. That’s something I pointed out at the time, Tom.

I’m a legend.

Gab

13 Jan 13 at 9:56 am

[H/t Gab who was onto this as soon Martin published the article last week]
This is why we read the Cat Hear everything here first!

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 9:03 am

The Cat is the Australian lefty head explosion capital. Morning, Jarrah.

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 9:52 am
They later rushed in.

A properly conducted risk assessment takes time.

lotocoti

14 Jan 13 at 9:57 am
Some constructive criticism about the Obama admin response to the petition to create a Death Star:

I certainly want to give props to Paul Shawcross for the informative, humorous and fun-loving way in which he wrote his response — but from a Keynesian standpoint, the arguments he makes are surely inadequate. Shawcross cites the massive price tag associated with building a Death Star, but according to Keynesian principles, we ought to worry much less about the deficit these days, and more about throwing piles of money into job-creating enterprises. Building a Death Star, as I explained in my post discussing the petition, should build oodles of jobs according to Keynesian theory, and Keynesians ought to be outraged that this administration is failing to take the principles spelled out in the General Theory of Employment to the next level. Indeed, I daresay that Keynesians ought to find the administration’s lack of faith in their principles disturbing.

Shawcross appears to be repelled by the idea of building a massive space station that is capable of blowing up planets, but of course, there is no reason why the Death Star should be tasked to blow up planets. Recall Paul Krugman’s comment that we ought to organize our public works plans as though we are supposed to respond to a fake alien invasion. Emphasis on the word “fake.” There can be no bigger, better or more comprehensive response to a fake alien invasion than to build a Death Star and since (one hopes) there are no actual aliens on their way to attack us, there is no need whatsoever to equip the Death Star with the ability to destroy planets.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 10:01 am
No wonder Steve from Brisbane likes Piers Morgan, as Morgan is as dishonest and regularly wrong as SoB it is clear he is a kindred spirit.

Piers Morgan exposes Dana Loesch’s lack of gun knowledge by making up models, calibers, deleting tweets

Token

14 Jan 13 at 10:08 am
2013 election theme song (No Gangam), thanks to Tarantino’s recent film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnPtf8WO73g

.

14 Jan 13 at 10:26 am
A properly conducted risk assessment takes time.

It was more than six hours later that armed police decided it was safe to enter the house.

Fme.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 10:31 am
Gab,
He knows guns make them less safe.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 10:57 am
Tony Abbott quote?

We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the ~~American~~ Australian precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

Guns didn’t do that, somebody else did that.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 11:05 am
Just a heads-up, JournoList has apparently issued a new decree that demands for gun control will now be couched as pleas for more “gun safety“.

Also making news:

Planned Parenthood quietly abandons term ‘pro-choice’.

Now, apparently even “pro-choice” has become radioactive.

Rather than selecting a new term to replace “pro-choice,” Planned Parenthood hopes to move beyond such terms entirely and present abortion as something too complicated to be divided into two sides. A soon-to-be-released Planned Parenthood video takes this new approach, casting labels like pro-life and pro-choice as limiting and abortion as a complex and personal decision. “We just don’t know a woman’s specific situation,” says the ad (not yet online). “We’re not in her shoes.”

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 11:22 am
Confirmed: fewer guns nothing to do with fewer deaths, Howard beclowned:

ABC Online: Australians own as many guns as in 1996.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 11:24 am
Now, apparently even “pro-choice” has become radioactive.

Since the media has no trouble calling pro-lifers “anti-abortion”, I tend to take a leaf out of their book and call those on the other side “pro-abortion”.

Planned Parenthood hopes to move beyond such terms entirely and present abortion as something too complicated to be divided into two sides.

If you want Person X to have the “right” to legally kill Person Y at the behest of Person Z, there’s not actually a lot of nuance there. You’re either for it or against it. See also capital punishment.

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 11:41 am
Baby killer is more catchy.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 11:45 am
The Cat is the Australian lefty head explosion capital.

Quite so.

sdog

14 Jan 13 at 11:50 am
Just reading Marr’s piece in Fairfax. He argues that it is unfair to discriminate against gays and lesbians in church run aged care and the gay and lesbian staff needed to look after them. Whoa, if gays amd lesbians are ‘equal’ why do they need other gays and lesbians to look after them? Surely that would be discriminatory on a whole host of levels?

nic

14 Jan 13 at 12:16 pm
More on Holders Shamed and Cowering.
I have kiboshed … and I will kibosh again.

You see what that says right there? “Proudly Gun Free” + “Against Senseless Violence”

The sense of it is that if you are *not* Gun Free, you are not against “Senseless Violence” nor ought you be “Proud”.
You should be ashamed of having guns as you are, therefore, assumed not to be Against Senseless Violence.

Silly? Yes. It starts with the Kool-Aide drinkers and hipster doosh-tools – but the pressure on the “low-information voter” neighbor becomes more and more intense. And a kind of cascade of PC happens. Used to work in favor of Civilization when neighbors shamed those who stole or adulterered or otherwise behaved in ways that tore at the Social Contract of Civilization. It is thus that the Alinskyites are using our own methodologies against us.

As we must use them in return. How about a sign that says, “Proud Gun Owner Prepared to Defend My Family Against Senseless Gun Violence”? [when seconds count, police are half an hour away]

I’m sure you can do better than that….

Aside: Interesting qualifier they have there; “Senseless” Violence. Somehow means that they are in favor of “Sensible” or “Reasoned” Violence. I wonder what shape that could take….

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 1:03 pm
A little music for Jarrah

Just Another Bloody Lawyer

14 Jan 13 at 2:53 pm
Public hospitals:

In Great Britain – 57,000 Patients a Year Die Without Being Told Life-Saving Treatments Have Been Stopped.

Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 3:06 pm
Nic,

That is the sort of logic that lead to this petition.

Seriously, WTF. Single gender wards logically would have to be staffed by the specific gender being catered for. Imagine the absolute shitfuck if a person didn’t turn up to work and no other nurse/orderly/doctor specific gender ward employee could be found on short notice. What then?

How on Earth did our forbears ever survive these types of injustices?

Dan

14 Jan 13 at 3:07 pm
First Essential poll of the year shows netsat for Gillard up eight points and ALP 2PP up one point. Abbott is mostly unchanged in netsat, down one point.

m0nty

14 Jan 13 at 3:08 pm
Left-wing wacko Chuck Schumer (D):

‘Hey, gun retailers, hows about you voluntarily stop selling guns?’

Gun retailers: ‘Yeah, no.’

Gun Sales Hit Record High in December… Following Record High November.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 3:09 pm
First Essential poll of the year shows…

… Abbott monstering Gillard 54 to 46.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 3:12 pm
Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

You can bet their families were jumping on beds to celebrate the NHS during the Olympics…

Token

14 Jan 13 at 3:14 pm
Wow, what a compelling message…

At a speech before the Conusmer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on January 9, Bill Clinton stated: “Half of all mass killings in the United States have occurred since the assault weapon ban expired in 2005, half in the history of the country.” But that statement is untrue, as Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post demonstrates.

Asked by Kessler about his statement, Clinton’s spokesman declined to comment or to say where Clinton got his numbers. As Kessler, a professional fact-checker, says, “this always makes us suspicous.”

Well, that and the fact that Bill’s lips were moving. They can’t sell their gun policies without lying. So they lie.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 3:17 pm
By the way, the funniest thing I’ve read this past fortnight or so was Julia Gillard’s Letter To The Nation in which she speaks of Australians’ tendency to be dismissive towards pomposity.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 3:17 pm
Abbott monstering Gillard 54 to 46.

Same as it was this time last year.

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 3:20 pm
The Cat is the Australian lefty head explosion capital.

Isn’t it just. They hate us with all their being.

Our mission if we choose to accept it is to make it more so.

And no more mr nice guys either.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 3:21 pm
From the Gillard/Rudd thread:

The Pope and Gillard are on the same stage in a Sydney Stadium in front of a huge crowd.
The Pope leans towards Gillard and says, “Do you know that with one little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, but will go deep into their hearts and they’ll forever speak of this day and rejoice!”
Gillard replied, “I seriously doubt that! With one little wave of your hand? Show me!” So the Pope backhanded her and knocked her off the stage!
AND THE CROWD ROARED & CHEERED WILDLY and there was happiness throughout the land!
Kind of brings a tear to your eye, doesn’t it?

Septimus

14 Jan 13 at 3:21 pm
Dan,
I was also thinking, the Catholic church built schools, hospitals etc from the donations of its flock. Gays are hardly a poor demographic in that i’d bet home ownership and decent income earning potential figure prominantly. Just a question, if Marr is so caught up in the ‘rights’ of elderly gay people, what’s to stop the gay comunity from using its own cash to set up ‘gay friendly’ care. After all, its what the Catholics did.

nic

14 Jan 13 at 3:21 pm
First Essential poll of the year shows…

54/46

But, but the punters love the carbon tax.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 3:27 pm
There is nothing stopping them, but from observing such things, it becomes apparent that groups of people would rather just whinge that they have ‘no rights’ and expect other people to change or get our stupid legislators to make up laws.

God helps Gays who help themselves. After all, He wants nothing to do with them.

Dan

14 Jan 13 at 3:29 pm
54/46

in Jan 2013. Same for Jan 2012, but for Jan 2011 it was 52/48. Jan 2010 ALP 56/44 LNP.

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 3:33 pm
There is nothing stopping them, but from observing such things, it becomes apparent that groups of people would rather just whinge that they have ‘no rights’ and expect other people to change or get our stupid legislators to make up laws.

Its not as if most have to divert their income across their lifetime on children. Salesmen love the Paddington community as they have higher disposable income.

How hard would be to create annuities to that community to fund such housing…

…oh David Marr expects the rest of us to pay…

Token

14 Jan 13 at 3:48 pm
Like this place Token?

It is not hard to get capital for these types of projects, just have to have the will to get off your arse and make it happen.

Dan

14 Jan 13 at 3:53 pm
Essential actually shows primary votes are unchanged.

So 55/45 to 54/56 is just rounding error.

MDMConnell

14 Jan 13 at 3:54 pm
Dan:

…just have to have the will to get off your arse and make it happen.

I think Marr’s arse is being used by other men for … a different purpose right now, Dan.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 4:06 pm
A penetrating review of the facts perhaps?

Dan

14 Jan 13 at 4:15 pm
Let me get this straight, Monty. 49% of the population think that the Lying Slapper is making a crap sandwich of her job as PM, just 36% would vote for the Lying Slapper, the greenfilth vote has collapsed to 8%, the L/NP has an 8% 2PP lead.

And you are having embarrassing trouser accidents, so pleased are you, becuase in the one measurement that does not matter, you think Juliar’s ahead.

What a sad, sorry, softcock you are, mont.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 4:16 pm
I think he’s buggered if he knows, Dan.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 4:16 pm
“Net satisfaction rating” – Leftists are now inventing irrelevant terms to keep themselves from the poisons cupboard.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 4:33 pm
Blood’n'Guts Rudd

KEVIN Rudd wants the world to consider arming Syria’s rebels as the country’s civil war grinds on.

Ruddie would make a lot more entertaining UN Secretary General than the current incumbent.

Myrrdin Seren

14 Jan 13 at 4:43 pm
Hey, remember when lefties told us that Rudd’s sacking had nothing to do with the ALP becuase people didn’t vote for a leader they voted for a party?
*smirk*

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 4:50 pm
Well, at least the rebels would become more efficient killing machines, Myrrdin.

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 4:52 pm
OMG

This one on the failed French operation in Somalia is definitely a keeper.

“Four civilians, including three from one family, are among the dead,” resident …. said by telephone on Sunday. “They were all killed outside Bulomarer, where the French commandos landed before entering the city.”

Great – so the French laid waste to some civilians who happened to be on the landing zone inbound to the target. Hearts and minds – zero.

Senior Shebab commander Sheikh Mohamed Ibrahim confirmed their fighters had been alerted, but did not say how.

Probably because they had been tipped by someone in the notional Somali government before hand. Or at least everyone is now going to be suspected of leaking anyway.

But local Somalis expressed anger over the assault.

“We were told there were about 40 of them against more than 100 heavily armed Shebab fighters,” said another Somali, who wished to remain anonymous. “Their mission was impossible and not very professional.”

The locals seem to have a better tactical appreciation of the situation than the French ?

Pourquoi ?

France has a recent history of botched operations, including a failed joint raid with Niger forces in 2011 that left both hostages dead and another in Mali that led to the hostage’s execution.

In 2009, French commandos launched a raid to free a French family whose yacht had been hijacked by Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean. They retook the boat but accidentally shot the father dead.

Not re-assuring and virtually a roadmap for tragedy, as seen again over the weekend.

Myrrdin Seren

14 Jan 13 at 4:56 pm
At least the French are prepared to have a go. That poor sod in Mindanao should be so lucky.

Steve of Ferny Hills

14 Jan 13 at 5:00 pm
In the Frenchies defence, at least they are kicking some Islamist butt in Mali.

That poor sod in Mindanao should be so lucky.

Pay the bribe or he’s dead.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 5:03 pm
Abbott monstering Gillard 54 to 46.

This is worse news for Gillard.
The ALP vote usually goes up when she is on holidays or out of the country.

No amount of pork barreling, spending annoucements, or tax cuts will save her now.

Splatacrobat

14 Jan 13 at 5:05 pm
In 2009, French commandos launched a raid to free a French family whose yacht had been hijacked by Somali pirates in the Indian Ocean. They retook the boat but accidentally shot the father dead.

Actually made my wooden heart bleed. That’s awful.

.

14 Jan 13 at 5:07 pm
KEVIN Rudd wants the world to consider arming Syria’s rebels as the country’s civil war grinds on.

Well, the last Rudd war in Libya turned out well.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 5:14 pm
Wayne Swan breaks all known dumbness records in the history of world politics…

His tax hasn’t raised a single cent for a second quarter.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 5:18 pm
Newman: ‘climate change’ link to bushfires total bullshit.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 5:20 pm
Well, the last Rudd war in Libya turned out well.

This is true – piles of weapons are flowing from Libya into Syria…and Mali…and Sinai….and I am sure we will see where others turn up in due course.

What more does Ruddie want – his picture stamped on them ?

Myrrdin Seren

14 Jan 13 at 5:22 pm
KEVIN Rudd wants the world to consider arming Syria’s rebels as the country’s civil war grinds on.

Sigh, the arrogance of that man is beyond belief.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it“

So once again he is playing Dr Death’s quick, hurry hurry hurry game demanding we indulge the whims of Rudd. What could go wrong?

David Ignatius in the WaPo explains…

This stark analysis is contained in an intelligence report provided to the State Department last week by Syrian sources working with the Free Syrian Army (FSA). Describing the situation in the area from Aleppo to the Turkish border, where Assad’s army has largely disappeared, the report draws a picture of disorganized fighters, greedy arms peddlers and profiteering warlords.

This security vacuum in the Aleppo region appears to have helped Jabhat al-Nusra, which is allied with al-Qaeda. The group is benefiting not just from its prowess on the battlefield but from its refusal to engage in looting and other predatory behavior. In its emphasis on crude but egalitarian justice and social services, Jabhat al-Nusra emulates other successful Muslim extremist organizations, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

…The disorder in Syria illustrates a too-little discussed problem that has emerged in the past decade of war and revolution in the Arab world: When repressive police states are toppled through foreign invasion or civil war, the basic framework of law and order can disappear, too. This has been the case in Iraq, Libya and now Syria.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 5:24 pm
“It’s very convenient to blame things that have happened in this country for millennia on climate change,” he replied.

He quoted poet Dorothea Mackellar’s poem My Country.

“Remember ‘I love a sunburnt country’ … it talks about ‘flooding rains, fires’ and all those sorts of things. Nothing new.

Gees, the green statists in the Liberal Party must be getting their panties all knotted up seeing a real leader at work. What if he wants to come to Canberra…

Token

14 Jan 13 at 5:27 pm
Simply by looking at, quelle horror, wikipedia, you see that the Syrian civil war is not something to be entered into lightly.

I hope the free syrian army does ultimately win.

Belligerents

Syrian government

Syrian Armed Forces
Syrian Army
Syrian Navy
Syrian Air Force
Republican Guard
General Security Directorate
Political Security Directorate
Shabiha
Jaysh al-Sha’bi

Iran[1][2]
Revolutionary Guards
Basij[3]

Foreign groups:
Hezbollah[4]
PFLP–GC[5]
Iraqi Shi’ite militias[6]
(For other forms of foreign support, see here)

Syrian National Coalition[7]

Free Syrian Army
Supported by:
Turkey[8]
(including border clashes)
Qatar[8]
Saudi Arabia[8]
(For other forms of foreign support, see here)
Mujahideen[9]
al-Nusra Front
Ahrar al-Sham[10]
Ghuraba al-Sham[11]
Supported by:
Qatar[12]
Saudi Arabia[12]
Al-Qaeda in Iraq[13]
Kurdish Democratic Union Party
Popular Protection Units[14]

What a fucking mess. If nation building in Iraq was costly and fragile, this is doomed to fail.

.

14 Jan 13 at 5:29 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments, saying the judgments should be “left to the experts”.

Yes, experts like Dim “it’s nevah gunnah rain again” Flummery.

Rabz

14 Jan 13 at 5:34 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments, saying the judgments should be “left to the experts”.

Unless climate Chang caused a father and son to torch a meth lab and a bloke in Tassie to leave a tree stump a flame, I think Herr Newman might be on safe ground.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 5:46 pm
This euthanasia sounds like fantastic stuff:

Belgium’s ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment that will allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer’s sufferers.

No slipper slopes at all.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/they-were-very-happy-belgian-twin-brothers-choose-euthanasia-rather-than-blindness-20130114-2conp.html#ixzz2HvianRLr

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 5:47 pm
This euthanasia sounds like fantastic stuff:

Belgium’s ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment that will allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer’s sufferers.

No slipper slopes at all.

On the other hand it would be a good idea to get Fisk’s input in terms of how to incorporate that working model into the Fisk Doctrine.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 5:54 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments …

It’s way past time when someone should “hit out at” all these lobbyists and their organisation that are cruelling the pitch for every Australian: ACF, WWF, Greenpeace, and all the other wackos. Recent news from Donna Laframboise was that they are having undue influence not just on our government, but the IPCC.
They and the unions, now assisted by the Greens and “Independants”, all have some big stuff to answer for.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 5:56 pm
Hey JC, how’s your kid in NY? Recovering well from the ‘flu I hope?

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 5:56 pm
Yea, she is Gab. We went to our friends place and she is being taken care of there. Seems like she’s getting over it.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 5:58 pm
Real Heil Hitler moment for the Belgies….

Wonder if they have purchased Hadamar yet?

After all, the gas chambers are in perfect nick. They could save a quid on building costs with this ‘son of T4′ program.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 6:01 pm
Unless climate Chang caused a father and son to torch a meth lab and a bloke in Tassie to leave a tree stump a flame, I think Herr Newman might be on safe ground.

bullshit. Of course the meth lab blowing up and the tree stump getting out of control form part and parcel of glimate change.

See warm list…I’m sure it there.

I love this one… women cheat on vacation,
as being caused by climate change. Don’t believe? Check the Warm list.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 6:03 pm
oops she went… it We…

JC

14 Jan 13 at 6:03 pm
Prediction for run-up to Fed Election 2013.

The MSM will not under any circumstances portray any Abbott-sourced policy in a positive light.

The MSM will, at every opportunity, denigrate Abbott-sourced policies and minimise visually any door-stops, etc conducted by Abbott and the Liberal-National Party.

Mike

Mike of Marion

14 Jan 13 at 6:04 pm
We Australians should campaign hard for this here too.

From this September, schools in England and Wales will rip up the existing staff salary structures so that there are no longer automatic pay rises for all teachers each year.
Instead, individual heads will have almost total freedom to decide pay levels, giving them the power to reward the best performers and prevent the weakest teachers from receiving annual increases.
The National Association of Head Teachers has backed the introduction of more flexibility in setting salary rises, but classroom unions are bitterly opposed to the move and have warned it will lead to “unfairness and discrimination” in staffrooms

Michael Gove, the Education Secretary of Pommyland.
Good on that man.

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 6:07 pm
Michael Gove is the only decent man in that wretched government.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 6:11 pm
Mike from M

That’s a redundant statement. Tell us something we don’t know.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 6:11 pm
I’m shocked. Jodie Foster is a lesbian.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 6:18 pm
Tell us something we don’t know.

OK, you lot don’t know how much I loath Ross Guano.
If I could nominate anyone to be the last one in the human centipede , it would be him.

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 6:24 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments …

Ahhh yes, tony mohr. A man who works for a ‘charitable’ organisation that pays no income tax and spends more on staff and marketing than it receives in donations and therefore requires taxpayers money to top it up to remain solvent. Just so it can get in your face and lecture you about how evil mankind is.

Fuck I hate hippies.

Dan

14 Jan 13 at 6:35 pm
JC, the expansion of euthanasia may be a promising development but it is still unclear how it might be incorporated into the Doctrine. It does sound like a way to save on public servant super liabilities though.

Fisky

14 Jan 13 at 6:41 pm
Newman needs to call out the Greens as the massive money grubbing vested interest that they are. Let them live off donations like the church.

Remember when everyone was upset because poor old Cate Blanchett copped some flak for spruiking climate change drivel? Seems like the Greens don’t like it when our elected politicians speak out.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 6:51 pm
The Coonabaraban Fire is the star of the news, but interestingly, the fire service talking head on 7 couldn’t name another fire that he was concerned about.
But the ABC regularly shows graphics of the state virtually covered in fires. They’re the equivalent of the Iraq body count estimators.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 7:02 pm
ABC TV News said “somehow” the observatory escaped damage. Wasn’t it tactical burn-offs, as even SfB had to admit?

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 7:04 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments, saying the judgments should be “left to the experts”.

i.e. the plebs should do what they’re told. How often do you hear statements like this from organisations that are all about representing the interests of the ‘people’.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 7:05 pm
Strop the State is covered in flames, absolutely covered in flames. I think a lot of those flames are wood fired pizza ovens and BBQ used for outdoor dining in the evening with a cold beer after a hot day. But they are still flames, and NSW is obviously ablaze everywhere. Thank god I live in the ACT, otherwise I might panic.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 7:06 pm
The Australian Conservation Foundation hit out at Mr Newman’s comments, saying the judgments should be “left to the experts”.

Steven Lewdanowsky was not available for comment?

Token

14 Jan 13 at 7:13 pm
JC, the expansion of euthanasia may be a promising development but it is still unclear how it might be incorporated into the Doctrine. It does sound like a way to save on public servant super liabilities though.

Fisk I was thinking along the lines that if we consider leftism a serious mental illness and if say the affliction can’t be cured in a mental facility then perhaps the kindest thing to do is what Belgium is planning.

What do you think?

JC

14 Jan 13 at 7:18 pm
The massive turnout in Paris protesting against gay marriage was covered, but was said by the ABC to be supported by the “Catholic Church Hierarchy”.
That would make it as bad and nasty as something supported by the NRA or News Ltd.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 7:20 pm
Sarah Clarke’s piece on coastal apocalypse got a run in the ABC TV news too. I can see why Judith Sloan had a rise in blood pressure. It was propaganda of an disgusting and inexscusable degree for a so-called national broadcaster. Nothing new there, except that they become more brazen every week.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 7:23 pm
That was a big protest in Paris.

The signs are pretty cool.

I guess Bobby Brown/David Marr/any of the ABC’s stable of tame homosexuals was unavailable for comment?

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
Ooga-Booga, Australian gun ownership has risen!
They forgot to mention that certain types of guns were outlawed and remain so.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 7:30 pm
It’s Apocalyptic Climate Change Week on Their ALPBC. I suspect they have had it in the can for a while and were waiting for the weather to warm up to give it a run.

H B Bear

14 Jan 13 at 7:48 pm
I’ve got a long sleeve thick wool shirt on in SE QLD to keep out the cold. The forecast tomorrow is for mid 20s as well.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 7:52 pm
Oh I see. Yes good point JC, and if they start talking about killing off schizos and psychotics then they really will be digging their own graves.

Fisky

14 Jan 13 at 7:53 pm
I think so Fisk. I mean if it’s humane to kill a schizo etc. then why wouldn’t it be humane to put down a recalcitrant leftwinger whose mental impairment is far worse and likely to cause more damage to the nation?

JC

14 Jan 13 at 7:58 pm
Let’s not use leftists mealy mouth descriptions of what we plan for the left. We are not going to euthanase them, we are going to slaughter them in town square while drinking firkins of ale and legs of roasted mutton.

Leftists are always banging on about promoting inner city living and reviving the dramatic arts – this accomplishes both those goals.

Infidel Tiger

14 Jan 13 at 8:08 pm
When the revolution comes, I nominate IT for Minister of the Arts, in addition to his Immigration portfolios.

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 8:11 pm
IT

reducing it to a left right argument is hopelessly naive.
Leftists dont exist. Nor do rightists. Try relaigning yourself out of the freaking 1970s mindset.

ie move fucking on

Jesus I get sick of this partisan shit. Play the argument not the ra ra ra (my colour their colour) teams crap.

It is crap. Totally. This line of crap. Just get the real opinions out without a hate / enemy skew.

Alice

14 Jan 13 at 8:15 pm
every comment JC posts he does the same
its prefaced with a “lefties think” BS comment

All I ask is how the fuck does JC know what “lefties think”.
He isnt one and wouldnt have a clue. Its all in hus mindset of still living in the past.

Alice

14 Jan 13 at 8:18 pm
IMHO the lefty righty argument is a total waste of space

Alice

14 Jan 13 at 8:19 pm
Alice

The gin bottle beckons. Go.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 8:24 pm
Thanks Alice for your input. We’re going to apply the ABC customer support technique while handling your request.

We’ll get back to you 6-12 weeks.

Token

14 Jan 13 at 8:26 pm
we are going to slaughter them in town square while drinking firkins of ale and legs of roasted mutton.

I’m ok with drinking firkin’ ale, but firked if I’ll be drinking roast mutton, not while I’ve still got me teef.

Eddystone

14 Jan 13 at 8:31 pm
Go tell the left they don’t exist, Alice. We know better. Book time! Over and out.

blogstrop

14 Jan 13 at 8:45 pm
Alice

All I ask is how the fuck does JC know what “lefties think”.

I think JC categorises people on what they say and do, this would be the best guide as to how they think.
A certain group of like minded individuals want to tell you and I what to say and do.
What would you call that group?
Honest question as always.

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 8:51 pm
The massive turnout in Paris protesting against gay marriage was covered, but was said by the ABC to be supported by the “Catholic Church Hierarchy”.
That would make it as bad and nasty as something supported by the NRA or News Ltd.

Hey, look at Mark’s photos. How come the ABC didn’t spruik the multicultural angle – the coming together of Catholics and Muslims in peaceful accord to fight the power?

It’s difficult calibrating the old grievance abacus. But it seems poofters now beat blacks, birds, gooks, spics, wogs and midgets. They’re the kingpins of victim city.

C.L.

14 Jan 13 at 8:51 pm
We are not going to euthanase them, we are going to slaughter them in town square while drinking firkins of ale and legs of roasted mutton.

Harsh but fair. An ideal mission statement for the Fisk Doctrine.

Tom

14 Jan 13 at 9:27 pm
Harsh but fair.

Not really. Just fair.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 9:30 pm
CL:

It’s difficult calibrating the old grievance abacus. But it seems poofters now beat blacks, birds, gooks, spics, wogs and midgets. They’re the kingpins of victim city.

Well, if windjammers have replaced splodeys, that’s a step forward.

I guess…

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 9:37 pm
legs of roasted mutton.

Lambnesia ?

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 9:40 pm
Just searched ” SkepticalScience ” for rebuttal of a certain books claims. All I got was this.

There are no skeptic arguments matching the search ‘donna laframboise’.

No wonder SfB, Jarrah and m0nty avoid discussing it.

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 9:53 pm
Life can be sooo unfair …

We don’t all get the same opportunities in life.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 9:58 pm
Rudi, that link is so rude…LOL.

John Comnenus

14 Jan 13 at 10:09 pm
Has this been aired at the Cat yet? If not, why not?

On Sunday, Julie Burchill – the Bernard Manning of feminism – wrote in the Observer that the Left was being undone by a vast conspiracy of transsexuals. Or, to be precise, by “dicks in chicks’ clothing”. And so began a day of civil war on Twitter as the Left tore itself up over her right to be so offensive. It raises the question: “Are the Observer’s subeditors still on Christmas leave?” If so, I’d encourage them to stay that way. The paper is a lot more entertaining when no one’s bothering to edit it.

Hilarious.

Gab

14 Jan 13 at 10:19 pm
I just took this test to find out how sexist I am.
Apparently I’m an asshole of the highest order and Mrs Jump made a huge mistake.
Oh well, she probably deserves it.

jumpnmcar

14 Jan 13 at 10:23 pm
Rudi, that link is so rude…LOL.

hehehe … I do my best to offend.

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 10:24 pm
Finally, an anti-pirating campaign that I can appreciate!!

http://www.thelulz.info/arrr/

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 10:25 pm
First Newspoll of 2013 has Coalition losing three points to just lead 51-49. Primaries are now 38 Labor, 44 Coalition, 9 Greens. Game on.

m0nty

14 Jan 13 at 10:25 pm
You wish. There’s no game on, dickhead. They have not won one single poll for as long as I recall. But keep on trucking.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 10:28 pm
They won the last Morgan poll before Christmas, JC. Your memory is fading, old man.

m0nty

14 Jan 13 at 10:29 pm
Fat boy

The only poll that counts is the betting markets.

until that changes go eat 100 donuts and keep hoping, you spiteful, venom filled fat idiot.

If you’re that confident then go bet on this, otherwise, you’re just hot air and in your case lots of it.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 10:34 pm
Centrebet have stretched the ALP out to 4.05. Coalition virtually hasn’t moved in ages from around 1.23.

http://centrebet.com/#Sports/2062830

You make sure you’re back here on election night Monty so we can rub your face in it. After all your crap we’ve handled with relative respect for your crap opinions, we deserve to destroy you.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 10:35 pm
The only poll that counts is the betting markets.

Spoken like an inveterate speculator, albeit you’re normally gambling other people’s money. Actually, the only poll that counts is on election day.

m0nty

14 Jan 13 at 10:38 pm
At least the French are prepared to have a go. That poor sod in Mindanao should be so lucky.

I agree. The French may have elected Hollande but they have bigger balls, militarily, than most.

So some locals who may have ratted them got topped. SOP for ROE on a job like this. The fact that the hostage might die is ALWAYS factored into planning when the military storms a stronghold. I recall that in the 90s a friend told me the fact the SAS calculated a percentage loss of friendlies was why the gov preferred to use state police TAG units, who have a far lower skill set but are happy to BS that it will all go swimmingly.

Go the Frogs.

Abu Chowdah

14 Jan 13 at 10:40 pm
Spoken like an inveterate speculator, albeit you’re normally gambling other people’s money

Nope, my own fat boy. So we’re back to that again are we?

Go make up the investor money you lost in the biggest boom in tech history, you freaking loser. As the CEO (cough) of Ausboned you managed other peoples money and lost it all.

So yes the only poll that one should look at is the betting market, so fuck right off.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 10:41 pm
Newspoll’s strange volatility continues!

Labor up 6 on the primary vote is impossible to credit….although the Silly Season sometimes sees incumbents get unexpected boosts. I would expect a correction the other way next time all things being equal.

It kind of sums up where Labor’s at that their supporters are dancing for joy at still being behind….

MDMConnell

14 Jan 13 at 10:43 pm
“Actually, the only poll that counts is on election day”

Wasn’t that the line Monty quoted from the US election as being overwhelming proof that you are losing big time???

MDMConnell

14 Jan 13 at 10:45 pm
MDMConnell

There’s no point at looking at polls. The only decent polling is looking at the betting. That’s all that works particularly after the fiasco with the polls in the US while the betting markets were consistently for the Kenyan.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 10:46 pm
Wasn’t that the line Monty quoted from the US election as being overwhelming proof that you are losing big time???

who cares what he thinks. He’s just a fat idiot with a serious issue about this site.

We own him.

JC

14 Jan 13 at 10:47 pm
JC,

I tend to go with Essential as it is less volatile and more consistent. Not as ridiculously strong for the Coalition mid last year and not as tight as some polls recently.

The rolling average smooths out the bumps and presents a picture of Abbott being 6-10pts ahead for about 18 months.

If Essential closes in to 50-50 or so, then I might worry. But not now.

MDMConnell

14 Jan 13 at 10:49 pm
The French may have elected Hollande but they have bigger balls, militarily, than most.

The French ain’t got shit, but for all that “liberté, egalité, fraternité” they seem surprisingly willing to disperse a crowd of excited Africans by putting a few rounds into it. Perhaps warranted at times but I can’t help but feel it’s a little hypocritical.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 10:50 pm
Newspoll now has consistent form (statistically significant) in building up Lardarse when she is on the brink of being turfed. Only to rebound towards reality in order to maintain their credibility. They are an outlier.

Lazlo

14 Jan 13 at 10:54 pm
Rudiau, you bastard, I just spent an hour on that damned site and my ribs are aching.

Mk50 of Brisbane

14 Jan 13 at 10:59 pm
John, have you read George Macdonald Frasers military memoirs? Great bit of crowd control advice in there from an Australian officer.

Abu Chowdah

14 Jan 13 at 11:02 pm
I’m not aware of it. To be fair, I do know from personal experience that levelling a rifle at a rioting crowd does get their attention, and they’re suddenly much more interested in your ideas that it would be a good idea to stop and go home than immediately prior to that point. But unlike the French, that was done to stop a guy being ripped apart, and it wasn’t indiscriminate.

The French guy was over masturbating in a burnt out building not aware he was visible through thermal imagery. Probably because the long legged, long red haired French journalist accompanying him was absolutely hot. True story!

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 11:10 pm
Got one in moderation for some reason.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 11:11 pm
I think I know the reason.

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 11:11 pm
Rudiau, you bastard,

You’re welcome. Payback for:

Marines Charged With DUI, Sexual Battery On ‘Price Is Right’ Gameshow

Rudiau

14 Jan 13 at 11:11 pm
I’m not aware of it. To be fair, I do know from personal experience that levelling a rifle at a rioting crowd does get their attention, and they’re suddenly much more interested in your ideas that it would be a good idea to stop and go home than immediately prior to that point. But unlike the French, that was done to stop a guy being ripped apart, and it wasn’t indiscriminate.

The French guy was pleasuring himself in a burnt out building not aware he was visible through thermal imagery. Probably because the long legged, long red haired French journalist accompanying him was absolutely gorgeous. True story!

John Mc

14 Jan 13 at 11:12 pm
Intriguing!

Abu Chowdah

14 Jan 13 at 11:21 pm
Strike a light. Why isn’t this guys life a movie?:

Rather than wield a sub-machine gun in battle, the commando leader inspired his comrades by storming beaches armed with a bow and arrow and two-handed sword, dressed in a kilt and playing a set of bagpipes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255533/The-amazing-story-Mad-Jack-hero-took-Nazis-bow-arrow-later-professional-bagpipe-player

Infidel tiger

15 Jan 13 at 12:34 am
Abu, quartered straight out of here? A great read.

nic

15 Jan 13 at 12:46 am
Loopy greenfilth polices and bush fires:

Tasmanian Greens press release issued by Greens Treasury “spokesperson” Tim Morris, June 15, 2012:

THE Tasmanian Greens today said that residents in and around Maydena deserved better than the intense smoke pollution from commercial forestry burn-offs that they were subjected to this week. “This practice has simply got to stop. It puts people’s health at risk and every time the state is swathed in commercial forestry smoke, our valuable ‘clean, green,’ brand is diluted just a little bit more.” Greens strongly believe Tasmania must free itself from this smoke taint and end commercial forestry burn-offs . . . attempting to burn forest waste at this time of year is highly likely to have this unacceptable result. We’re all better off when this Neanderthal practice stops and disposing of forest by-products is done far more responsibly. The future’s bright without forestry’s smoke pollution,” said Mr Morris.

Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie, The Age, February 12, 2009:

THEY were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained. But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break — an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised — they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek still standing.

Inferno: The Day Victoria Burned, Roger Franklin, 2009:

IN August 2008, Nillumbik’s Mayor Warwick Leeson boasted of his council’s determination to prosecute tree tamperers. A developer who felled two red gums on a Diamond Creek lot had been ordered to pay $10,500 in fines and costs, Leeson warned in a press release, and a home owner was out of pocket $4000 for taking down a single tree.

Sophie Love, ABC online’s The Drum, January 11:

A COOL or controlled burn is manageable and the wildlife can escape. I’ve seen singed possums scamper ahead and find a fresh tree to climb . . . But burning off has become such a contentious subject. I know farmers in places like Kangaroo Valley, who burned off for generations but for 10 years or more have been too scared to burn, fearing legal repercussions from neighbouring newbie landholders in case a fire “gets away”.

Cut&Paste

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 12:56 am
Abu, never read Fraser. What is the title of the book?

John Comnenus

15 Jan 13 at 1:25 am
As warmies meet in Tasmania to discuss an imminent deluge…

Sea rise ‘not linked to warming’, says report.

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

A paper published last month in Journal of Climate highlights one of the great uncertainties in climate change research – will ocean levels rise by more than the current 3mm a year?

The peer-reviewed article, “20th-century global-mean sea-level rise: is the whole greater than the sum of the parts?” by JM Gregory, sought to explain the factors involved in sea-level rises during the last century. It found that sea-level rises had not accelerated “despite the increasing anthropogenic forcing” or human influence.

Australia’s pre-eminent sea-level scientist, John Church, contributed to the paper, which said it could not link climate change and the rate of sea-level rises in the 20th century.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 1:32 am
A government that should be fearful of the citizenry – as the founders intended…
Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 1:43 am
A government that should be fearful of the citizenry – as the founders intended…
Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies.

The US trading blog I hang around at night, the commenters there have been outdoing each other in buying up big. All because they fear the Kenyan will try to ban guns.

The citizenry is now armed to the teeth thanks the this administration. Good work fellas. Keep talking.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 1:46 am
Great site here…

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=750001&catalogId=750051&content=11001#

huh! You can buy a 6 round smith and wessie handgun for under 500 bucks.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 1:54 am
After the politicized attack on gun ownership in the US the busiest part of the US government by far must be the FBI section that does background checks. Those fuckers must be earning squillions in overtime.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 2:00 am
US military drawing up plans for nation wide gun confiscation.

The plan, known in the military as Operation PREAKNESS, combines a series of tactics developed for house sweeps and room clearing in Iraq and Afghanistan, which General Scott admitted had been used as test-runs for the U.S.

“If we can confiscate millions of firearms in a country where we don’t speak the language or understand the culture, the U.S. should be easy,” General Scott told The Duffel Blog. “I just feel sorry for that poor Osama fellow we had to kill to justify the whole thing.”

Eddystone

15 Jan 13 at 2:11 am
Looks like the Taliban have caught the western OHS disease.

TREKH NAWA, AFGHANISTAN – The planned emplacement of an improvised explosive device (IED) on Main Service Road Tulley was delayed again, according to local Taliban leader Mullah Ahmidullah, because all the emplacers had to attend “another goddamned safety brief.”

Eddystone

15 Jan 13 at 2:15 am
This wonderful article explores a rather strange phenomenon that has developed in France over the proposal of recognizing gay marriage. You cannot use left or right, gay or straight, and liberal or conservative, as proxies for determining who is for or against the proposal since prominent spokesperson against recognition include leftists, atheists, and liberals. But the most surprising news here were the testimonials of gay individuals in France:

Hervé Jordain, a Marseille homosexual, says on Homovox, “It is utterly abnormal to uphold one’s ‘right’ to have a child … A child is not a cute little doll you go out and buy on December 15.”

Echoing this growing sense among France’s gay men that the metropolitan movement for gay parenting has fostered a selfishness and destructive disregard for others among LGBT leaders, “Benoît,” a 43-year-old gay business owner, says, “this bill is a dupe … it is a lie, an error, a farce. It is like looking for a magic spell to say gay and straight people are the same.”

Emmanuel, a gay art historian, says bluntly, “Why must we say gay and straight couples are the same? They are not equal.” Even more eloquently, gay blogger Philippe Ariño cautions, “equality is not a good thing by itself. There are bad forms of equality. We call that conformism, uniformity, banality.”

France defies the strategy of the LGBT communities in most Anglophone countries that debate this issue simply by crying ‘bigot’ because they have decided to frame opposition to gay ‘marriage’ as simply and only involving homophobia. And they’re doing their level best to hound opponents from their positions. Take note, the author of this article was under investigation soon after supporting the Regnerus study (of course, Regnerus was also investigated by his university too).

dover_beach

15 Jan 13 at 6:43 am
Delingpole has a bit of a chuckle over the NYT closing it’s climate section while remaining “committed”. But, more importantly, he also links to a NASA paper admitting that small solar variations play a much larger part in climate variations than has hitherto been accepted.
Gosh, who’d a thunk it?
Link

Blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 6:55 am
The poll of polls would still be showing around 52:48 for the Coalition, with a slight tick towards Labor given the first two polls of 2013 have both swung Labor’s way. Maybe 51:49.

Imagine if the polls all started to show the ALP taking the lead. The press gallery wouldn’t know what to think, they have been boosting Abbott and/or Rudd for so long.

m0nty

15 Jan 13 at 6:55 am
Kevin Donnelly’s piece “We can learn from Sweden and Finalnd” in the Oz will no doubt attract foam flecked criticism from the left. My favourite bit:
Yet Finnish academic Hannu Simola says a key reason Finnish schools

do so well is that “radical labour-union politics, and the extreme Left, have been virtually non-existent in the Finnish teaching profession”.

(sorry, the cut and paste in ipadese gets a bit much!)

Blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:02 am
Oh, hi monty. Please explain to us how come you’re still a fan of this government. I would think congenital stupidity explains it, but you might have a list of all the good things they’ve done, as opposed to those awful libs who wrecked the country’s finances during the period 1996-2007.

Blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:04 am
Here is a challenge to Labor (and all their promoters like m0nty).

If you really believe the accuracy of Newspoll, and believe that your fortunes have revived – then call a snap election whilst ‘the ball is in your court’.

Failure to do so means that you know that Newspoll is just playing silly buggers protecting Gillard, and Australians’ real attitude to Labor is so bad, that Labor will delay calling an election until the last possible moment, hoping to remain at the trough for as long as politically possible.

A Lurker

15 Jan 13 at 7:07 am
The press gallery wouldn’t know what to think, they have been boosting Abbott and/or Rudd for so long.

m0nty, fuck off outta here. That is simply trolling of the highest (or should that be lowest?) order.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

15 Jan 13 at 7:11 am
If you really believe the accuracy of Newspoll, and believe that your fortunes have revived – then call a snap election whilst ‘the ball is in your court’.

Ah no. We wanna do you slowly (holy moly).

Seriously though, it would be silly to call an early election while you’re still behind. Maybe if you’re five points in front. This year is about maximising the time for Labor’s long term projects – which the punters all like, if you look at those polls – to deliver benefits for voters. The NBN will become most prominent among those. Also, if this year is going to be so good for the Australian economy as is predicted, it would be prudent to call the election at the top of the cycle, not before the run starts.

m0nty

15 Jan 13 at 7:16 am
JC, speaking of guns. I saw this ad for a Beretta shotgun in the WSJ a few months ago. It’s a bit expensive for my tastes though.

Dan

15 Jan 13 at 7:24 am
Christopher Monckton on the warpath.

If the Met Office’s new prediction is right, by 2017 the global warming rate will have been statistically indistinguishable from zero for two full decades.

So, did the bureaucrats call a giant press conference to announce the good news? Er, no. They put up their new prediction on an obscure corner of their website, on Christmas Day, and hoped that everyone would be too full of Christmas cheer to notice.

That raises – again – a question that Britain can no longer afford to ignore. Has the Wet Office committed serious fraud against taxpayers?

Poor Old Rafe

15 Jan 13 at 7:39 am
Hotter in Sydney in 1790.

I wonder if any of these people actually knew that Sydney’s so-called ‘record hot day’ on Tuesday 8th Jan this year, that had them screaming “Global Warming”, was actually COOLER than the weather experienced by the convicts of the First Fleet in Sydney way back in the summer of 1790/91 ?

For while the mercury peaked at 42.3 C last Tuesday at Observatory Hill in Sydney – more than 222 years ago at 1.00pm on the 27th Dec 1790 (measured at a location just stones-throw from Observatory Hill) the mercury hit 108.5 F (42.5 C) before peaking at 109 F (42.8 C) at 2.20pm.

The extreme heat of Sydney’s summer of 1790/91 is detailed by Watkins Tench (1758 –1833) in his book ‘A Complete Account of the Settlement at Port Jackson’ published in 1793. (Available to download from the internet for free, here).

Poor Old Rafe

15 Jan 13 at 8:13 am
I wonder if any of these people actually knew that Sydney’s so-called ‘record hot day’ on Tuesday 8th Jan this year, that had them screaming “Global Warming”, was actually COOLER than the weather experienced by the convicts of the First Fleet in Sydney way back in the summer of 1790/91 ?

Rafe you know the answer, as the premise of your story makes the cultists look like morons, you are talking about weather.

Now if the ABC was to run a story about sea levels rising above IPCC predictions, as it is a cultist making the statement, that is about climate.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 8:18 am
If you really believe the accuracy of Newspoll, and believe that your fortunes have revived – then call a snap election whilst ‘the ball is in your court’.

Ah no. We wanna do you slowly (holy moly).

Great strategy M0nty.

Don’t have an election now, wait until the full scale of the fiscal disaster is known and allow middle Australia get their summer power bills where they will see how they are being punished for the carbon crime of trying to offset the heat of summer.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 8:20 am
Oh no, just as the polls give M0nty hope he can let his inner 3 year old out so he can be a royal douche, this happens:

As warmies meet in Tasmania to discuss an imminent deluge…

Sea rise ‘not linked to warming’, says report.

THE latest science on sea level rises has found no link to global warming and no increase in the rate of glacier melt over the past 100 years.

A paper published last month in Journal of Climate highlights one of the great uncertainties in climate change research – will ocean levels rise by more than the current 3mm a year?

Looks like the duplicitious tax on heating, and cooling, and preserving food, and getting to work, and having lights on at night is a bad thing to have legislated when the science is clear there is no warming occuring.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 8:26 am
P.O. Rafe: It is much the same story regarding the oft-repeated claim that Black Saturday was the hottest day Melbourne has seen, at 46.4C (115.5F). True, it was a whisker hotter than Black Friday in 1939 (114.1), but the recorded temperature in 1851, when the first big fires erupted post-white settlement, was reported at 117F.

Records weren’t official then (how did they survive without the BoM’s guidance?) but that was the reading on at least two thermometers, one of which was cited the next day by The Argus

areff

15 Jan 13 at 8:27 am
For exactly how much longer can this country afford to have these corrupt, incompetent, destructive imbeciles on the treasury benches?

Unfriggingbelievable.

Rabz

15 Jan 13 at 8:29 am
For exactly how much longer can this country afford to have these corrupt, incompetent, destructive imbeciles on the treasury benches?

Our own Wayne Swanstanza knows this to be true:

Australia, just remember. It’s not a lie… if you believe it…

Token

15 Jan 13 at 8:33 am
Oh, the irony.

Greenfilth v greenslim, which one is which?, don’t care, annihilate each other.

Prairie chickens come home to roost for greenies

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 8:36 am
It’s all good. Swanning is only planning to find budget savings.
In much the same way I plan to be twenty years old (again).

Keith

15 Jan 13 at 8:39 am
Goose Swansteen – World’s greatest moments in fiscal policy:

Duuuuhhhh, what if we introduced a tax on mining and no one bothered to pay it?

Sheer genius.

Rabz

15 Jan 13 at 8:53 am
JC, speaking of guns. I saw this ad for a Beretta shotgun in the WSJ a few months ago. It’s a bit expensive for my tastes though.

If I had that sort of coin to spend on a rifle/shotgun this is my weapon of choice!

Great site here…

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=750001&catalogId=750051&content=11001#

huh! You can buy a 6 round smith and wessie handgun for under 500 bucks.

You would however be much better off spending a little more on a Model 686 L frame in .357 magnum, it is a wonderful hand gun and pretty popular with those that prefer wheel guns. My dear old Dad loves to shoot Action Match – Practical with his…

Practical Event – Competitors must fire the 10 yard line segment in the standing position. Competitors may fire the 15, 25, and 50 yard segments in the prone position at their option. This course is divided into four stages. Each stage has three strings and 12 shots per stage. 48 shots:

(a) 10 yards – one shot each target within three seconds, two shots each target within four seconds, and three shots each target eight seconds.

(b) 15 yards – one shot each target within four seconds, two shots each within 5 seconds, and three shots each target within six seconds.

(c) 25yards-one shot each target five seconds, two shots each target six seconds, and three shots each target seven seconds.
Action Shooting Sec. 7 – Page 1 of 4

(d) 50 yards – one shot each target seven seconds, two shots each target ten seconds, and three shots each target fifteen seconds.

They also have rapid fire matches, falling plate, moving target, barricades and speed events.

Action matches are great fun, however the dedication required to keep ownership of pistols is not something I had the time for.

Old Fridgie

15 Jan 13 at 8:55 am
For while the mercury peaked at 42.3 C last Tuesday at Observatory Hill in Sydney – more than 222 years ago at 1.00pm on the 27th Dec 1790 (measured at a location just stones-throw from Observatory Hill) the mercury hit 108.5 F (42.5 C) before peaking at 109 F (42.8 C) at 2.20pm.

Nah, these measurements (like Australia’s (former) hottest temperature at Cloncurry (53.1 °C) 16th January 1889), weren’t measured by approved instruments in a Stevenson Screen, so they don’t count. ‘Cos we didn’t get screens before ~1910, none of the earlier measurements matter. Anyway, it’s a different sort of heat now, hotter, more burn-y, because Gaia is ANGRY.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 8:59 am
Here is one job creatation policy a shadow minister has layed out:

Let me be clear from the start: there is no doubt that, contrary to David Forman’s claims on The Drum yesterday, a Coalition Government will abolish the carbon tax.

We will scrap the tax because it is both an economic and an environmental failure. Removing this tax is the only responsible course of action for an incoming government.

The carbon tax is enormously expensive and fails to clean up our emissions. At its heart is an inefficient and ineffective electricity tax.

It is worth for a moment taking a closer look at the actual cost of the carbon tax.

First, there is $105 billion of taxes out to 2020/21 largely paid for in electricity, gas and diesel price rises.

Second, there is a further $15 billion in direct government expenditure. This includes $10 billion of unfunded expenditure to buy shares in speculative energy companies that the private sector will not support.

Third, there is a further $4 billion budget deficit in the tax and transfer payments associated with the package in just its first three years.

And fourth, there is the purchase of at least $8 billion in foreign carbon credits to 2020.

All up that makes at least $132 billion in expenditure out to 2020.

And the results of this mammoth expenditure? Incredibly, instead of reducing Australia’s carbon emissions, under the tax our annual domestic emissions will actually grow from 560 million tonnes to 637 million tonnes between now and 2020.

The carbon tax simply doesn’t do the job it’s supposed to do.

Here is a quote from that article (with a link) that is a keeper:

An example of this was the massive 50 per cent price rise for NSW’s seven million residents over a recent five year period. This produced a bare 6 per cent decrease in per capita consumption over that period.

Rather than radically re-crafting society, small businesses and families simply end up paying higher and higher electricity prices.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 9:00 am
Won’t someone just push this prick off The Cliff?:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama demanded Monday that lawmakers raise the nation’s $16.4 trillion federal debt limit quickly, warning that “Social Security benefits and veterans’ checks will be delayed” if they don’t and cautioning Republicans not to insist on cuts to government spending in exchange.

“They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the economy,” he said at the 21st and final news conference of his first term. “The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip. And they better decide quickly because time is running short.”

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 9:13 am
Rather than radically re-crafting society, small businesses and families simply end up paying higher and higher electricity prices.

Something to be very happy about, especially as residents of a country that is “awash with energy”.

Rabz

15 Jan 13 at 9:15 am
Of concern.

Advice given during the heat wave by a news reader (I think), that people should be drinking at least a litre of water per hour on these really hot days.

Surely this advice is not correct, look at hyponatremia. One litre of water per hour seems like a lot, and if you are not doing anything terribly strenuous surely it’s too much?

kae

15 Jan 13 at 9:23 am
One litre of water per hour seems like a lot, and if you are not doing anything terribly strenuous surely it’s too much?

Well, you’d certainly be going to the toilet quite frequently…

Rabz

15 Jan 13 at 9:26 am
Oh mOron. You have got to stop snorting doughnuts. Do them slowly.

By the way fathead, it won’t stop snowing in Niseko. Not much warming here. Must only be happening around you and that clown SfB.

Tiny Dancer

15 Jan 13 at 9:52 am
ABC Online:

UN scientist links heatwave to climate change.

The United Nations’ chief climate scientist says there is no doubt last week’s extreme heat in Australia is part of a global warming trend…

Speaking to AM, IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri …

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 9:56 am
Intersting. From Blogstrop’s link above:

It’s what newspapers always do when they’re committed to a particular field: close down the entire department responsible for covering it.

But it’s still not going to stop some mean-minded cynics sniping and casting aspersions, I’ll bet. Why, some of them will be pointing out the eerie coincidence with the Met Office recent tacit admission that “global warming” isn’t anywhere near what that their dodgy models predicted it would be. And also with NASA’s recent admission that solar variation has a much more significant on terrestrial climate than it has hitherto been prepared to acknowledge. If you didn’t know better, you’d almost get the impression that AGW theory has been so crushingly falsified that hard-headed newspaper executives, even ones at papers as painfully right-on as the New York Times, just aren’t prepared to fund its promulgation any more.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 9:59 am
Where’s that Lefty BoaB?

This Pearls Before Swine cartoon Ann Althouse posted describes very well how most liberals think of conservatives …

… and a very hungry fish underneath.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 10:03 am
Man ‘spits in the face of Secret Service agent guarding Obama’s Chicago home’

Wait, hang on.

Why is there an armed guard at Obama’s home?

Guns are no good for home defence.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 10:06 am
Abbotts dilema.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 10:09 am
The United Nations’ chief climate scientist says there is no doubt last week’s extreme heat in Australia is part of a global warming trend

That’s right. Anyone can go to TAFE nowadays, get a railway engineer’s certificate and call himself a FUCKING CLIMATE SCIENTIST.

The ABC’s misreporting has become wilful. Like Fairfax’s. Because they are both primarily political organisations.

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 10:20 am
Kae, at the minesites where I worked one litre per hour of water was advised for those working in the open air on hot days, but that was a maximum. People indoors and/or inactive wouldn’t need anything like as much.

squawkbox

15 Jan 13 at 10:25 am
From Rudiau’s link:

This little bird below, a grouse known as the prairie chicken, may stand in the way of Obama’s wind power dreams, thanks to pending environmental rulings. It thrives on the Texas flatlands and is absolutely terrified of tall things (where hawks might be lurking). That rules out both oil rigs and wind power facilities.

Oil men are used to this sort of thing — but it’s going to drive the wind power crowd nuts and, well, how ironic that environmentalists are at each other’s’ throats over this.

What’s the bet the greenfilth get around this somehow? A case of Rules are for thee, not for me.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:25 am
A humorous take on the actions of one would be/should be labor leader.
Which coat Malcolm Turncoat, or wastecoat?

Turnbull, the nice boy who stabbed his boss Kerry Packer in the back in an act of eternal gratitude and loyalty rushes to the dunny with a gut ache, squats and sobs uncontrollably wondering what to do. There is no toilet paper, one problem solved, “bugger! Lucy!”

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 10:27 am
Hehehe, that’s a most satisfying read, Rudiau.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:35 am
That’s right. Anyone can go to TAFE nowadays, get a railway engineer’s certificate and call himself a FUCKING CLIMATE SCIENTIST.

… with the IPCC no less. lol. Nail on head.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 10:35 am
JoNova looks at Australia’s ‘record’ heatwave and finds it wanting…

Three reasons the temperature records are officially meaningless

1. the BOM ignores countless historical records of extreme heat,
2. older record temperatures are ‘adjusted’ lower making the modern temperatures appear to be new “records”, and
3. the BOM don’t tell the truth about the net overall effect the adjustments make to the temperature trends.

Who knows what the real records are any more?

There’s a nice map showing historic extreme temperatures that the BoM is now ignoring.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 10:39 am
From Poor Old Rafes link @ 7.39 am

That raises – again – a question that Britain can no longer afford to ignore. Has the Wet Office committed serious fraud against taxpayers?

Indeed. Also raises the question of fraud with our very own BOM.

Three reasons the temperature records are officially meaningless
1.the BOM ignores countless historical records of extreme heat,
2.older record temperatures are ‘adjusted’ lower making the modern temperatures appear to be new “records”, and
3.the BOM don’t tell the truth about the net overall effect the adjustments make to the temperature trends.

Interesting discussion on the “Stevenson Screen” and the new metric invented by the BOM,

“the Australian daily average temperature” to make up a record that never was!

The Independent BOM Audit team are currently working to reconstruct the BOM record daily avergage right now — expect an update in the next day or two. So watch this space!

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 11:03 am
C-H snap,apols.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 11:05 am
The United Nations’ chief climate scientist says there is no doubt last week’s extreme heat in Australia is part of a global warming trend

Pity they never asked Doc Pach for his latest porn novel.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 11:12 am
Hypocracy at it’s utmost.

Think of the children.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 11:15 am
A fawning ABC “reporter” just called Dr Pachauri a “climate scientist”.

I nearly vomited.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 11:26 am
JC, what’s your opinion of this site?

About 18 months ago they were spruiking silver would double in price by the end of 2012.
It is about $3 lower than the then price of $32.
Now they are saying it could go up by 58% in 2013

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 11:29 am
The silver bugs have been around for nearly as long as the gold bugs.

John Mc

15 Jan 13 at 11:37 am
Palladium is the go for 2013

Dan

15 Jan 13 at 11:44 am
The silver bugs have been around for nearly as long as the gold bugs.

Yea. I get that not all predictions come off as predicted, stock market wise, but I think this site is a tad sensationalist.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 11:45 am
I’m actually shocked silver hasn’t boomed.

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

.

15 Jan 13 at 11:59 am
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

or

There is nothing so disastrous as a rational investment policy in an irrational world.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 12:17 pm
Chicken Shit Assad Hides Behind Russia While He Kills His People

Embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad has moved with his family and a select cadre of associates to a warship off Syria’s coast, where he is being guarded by Russian naval forces, a Saudi daily reported on Monday

Pity he’s hiding behind his mates outside the fence and still throwing stones into the sandpit, there’s plenty of ways to knock on the door of a warship.

Lol.

Rudiau

15 Jan 13 at 12:25 pm
there’s plenty of ways to knock on the door of a warship.

It’s just that the Syrian rebels will think twice before declaring war on Russia…

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 12:46 pm
A fawning ABC “reporter” just called Dr Pachauri a “climate scientist”.

I nearly vomited.

Gab you’re a brave girl Gab – the only way I can watch or listen to anything ALPBC is with Zophrin wafers at the ready ran out about 5 years ago so it’s a no go area for me and I feel so much better.

Tintarella di Luna

15 Jan 13 at 1:05 pm
In one day…

First the porn novelist, now the dildo expert’s boyfriend:

Tim Blair has the latest scientific brilliance from Tim Flannery.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 1:13 pm
Also at Blair’s, simply the greatest newspaper advert EVEH.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 1:18 pm
Worst fiscal bum in world history proclaims…

US is not a deadbeat nation: Obama.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 1:29 pm
Embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad has moved with his family and a select cadre of associates to a warship off Syria’s coast, where he is being guarded by Russian naval forces…

Sounds like Putin has more leverage to negotiate with, when his bi-atch shows up to deliver on that pathetic promise he made in South Korea.

Tsar Vladimir is playing chess why the lefties in the West are playing chequers.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 1:30 pm
In one day…

First the porn novelist, now the dildo expert’s boyfriend:

Tim Blair has the latest scientific brilliance from Tim Flannery.

That’s right, he’s seeing a former hooker and now dildolgist.

I wonder what it’s like to think you’re a 5,965th dude there.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
Honestly, you couldn’t make this shit up if you tried.

I think Doc Pach is a breast man from what I can tell because he kept referring to firm, young ripe breasts in his porn novel, according to Blair.

I’m wondering if Doc Pach and Flannery will meet up. Love to be a fly on the wall if they start talking about breasts and dildos.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 1:45 pm
Tim Blair has the latest scientific brilliance from Tim Flannery.

We really have no need for anti-discrimination laws in this country.

The sheer volume of money that Flim-Flam has made proves how high the mediocre and dangerously clueless useful idiots can fly in our society.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 1:53 pm
Token

That idiot Braggs keeps referring to market failure. This is about the only example I can think of.

The sheer volume of money that Flim-Flam has made proves how high the mediocre and dangerously clueless useful idiots can fly in our society.

A very serious problem when affluence abounds.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 1:57 pm
The Austrians get a mention on The Simpsons.

Poor Old Rafe

15 Jan 13 at 1:59 pm
Think of Clean Tech stocks as a long-term investment!

The market capitalisation of the 69 stocks in the index is now at $6.5 billion. In July 2007 it hit a record high of $16.3 billion.

For all this pain, the top 20 stocks within the index have hardly changed since 2009, which shows that few new companies are making a significant impact even though many of the biggest players have weaker valuations than a few years ago.

Looking at the figures on a sector-by-sector basis and it’s clear geothermal has run into the biggest roadblocks since the middle of 2007. In the five financial years since, the best return from the geothermal component of the index has been -18.6 per cent in FY2011, and FY2013 is looking no better, with the index already off 17.1 per cent in the first half.

Poor Old Rafe

15 Jan 13 at 2:05 pm
Oh God… I mean, no… surely… aha… ahaha…

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The Federal Government says privacy considerations prevent it from disclosing how much mining tax has been paid, if any.

It is unclear whether the tax has raised any money in the first six months of its operation…

Finance Minister Penny Wong says the Australian Tax Office has advised the Government not to reveal its mining tax earnings if it might breach Commonwealth privacy provisions relating to the release of information about individual taxpayers.

Govt cannot reveal mining tax take: Wong.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 2:31 pm
Rafe, we really do need a Mr Burns to release the hounds in the Canberra public service.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 2:32 pm
That horrible event in Conneticut and the predicable crazy boiling down of the issue to the latest agenda item the left wants to push is having un-intended consequences.

Here is some context on the 500+ deaths a year in Chicago which is primarily caused by gangs with handguns:

The primary business that the gangs engage in is illegal drug trafficking. Most illegal drugs are shipped into the U.S. from outside the country, with numerous paths crossing the border from Mexico. Mexico has seen far more than its share of gang-related violence over the past few years, with an estimated 60,000 killed in the drug cartel wars there in the past few years. That number is almost surely too low, because it does not take into account many killings that have taken place on the north side of the U.S.-Mexico border. There is strong evidence that at least some law enforcement on the U.S. side downplay cartel violence in their jurisdictions in order to make their crime statistics look better, so they can get re-elected, and keep federal crime grant money flowing their way.

The United States Department of Justice began designating U.S. cities that followed certain immigration-related policies “sanctuary cities” back in the 1980s. Chicago has been a “sanctuary city” since that designation was created. “Sanctuary cities” allow law enforcement to look the other way when immigration status might come up in the course of an investigation. To put things maybe a little too simply, illegal aliens know that once they reach a sanctuary city like Chicago they are for all intents and purposes home free from questions about their immigration status. The Latin Kings, MS-13 and other gangsters can recruit and import foot soldiers south of the border and rest assured that once in Rahm Emanuel’s Chicago, the police will not query whether they are in the country legally or not. They are free to kill.

I’m not suggesting that all of Chicago’s current wave of violence is related to its sanctuary city policies. I am suggesting that some of it is, because that’s obvious. I am also suggesting that before the likes of Jesse Jackson demand “compromise” from law-abiding Americans who own guns, they should take a hard, honest look at the long-term effects of policies that they support.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 2:41 pm
Logan seems like a fun filled place. Plenty of street parades.

Infidel Tiger

15 Jan 13 at 2:43 pm
The Austrians get a mention on The Simpsons.

Ha! Only monkeys believe in Keynesian economics and the fever swampers put their fingers in their ears.

Too true.

“Hmm, fascinating”…

If the Simpsons is making swipes at the Mises Institute and Lew Rockwell, perhaps they should change.

Their unwillingness to improve has become mainstream.

.

15 Jan 13 at 2:46 pm
This is really funny. This is what it would really be like in the Hipster non-capitalist world that voters support when they vote for the greenslime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxDE1QCHA4&feature=player_embedded

JC

15 Jan 13 at 2:50 pm
“Sanjay saw a shapely dark-skinned girl lying on Vinay’s bed. He was overcome by a lust that he had never known before … He removed his clothes and began to feel Sajni’s body, caressing her voluptuous breasts.”

“He enjoyed the sensation of gently pushing Susan’s shoulders back a few inches, an action that served to lift her breasts even higher,” writes Dr Pachauri. “He was excited by the sight of her heaving breasts, as she breathed in and out deeply.”

A friend of Susan is taken to a motel by Sanjay but only after he has fondled her breasts – “which he just could not let go of” –

#SMH

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 2:51 pm
Re the Logan riots, Fairfax erases somewhat controversial Aboriginal phraseoloy.

See it, click it – voila, it’s gone.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 2:53 pm
Thanks Dog

Excuse me I got the quote wrong… it’s wasn’t the young, ripe full breasts schtick… it was voluptuous breasts, heaving breasts, fondling her breasts..

I got the shit all wrong as a result of bad memory.

However I seem to be right on one thing… Doc Pach appears to be a serious breast man. I’m not holding that against though.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 3:00 pm
I got the shit all wrong as a result of bad ~~memory~~ mammary.

FTFY.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 3:04 pm
Stop the bus and throw him out Pachauri is a fucking loon. From Dog’s link.

In breathless prose that risks making Dr Pachauri, who will be 70 this year, a laughing stock among the serious, high-minded scientists and world leaders with whom he mixes, he details sexual encounter after sexual encounter.

The book, which makes reference to the Kama Sutra, starts promisingly enough as it tells the story of a climate expert with a lament for the denuded mountain slopes of Nainital, in northern India, where deforestation by the timber mafia and politicians has “endangered the fragile ecosystem”.

But talk of “denuding” is a clue of what is to come.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 3:05 pm
Lucky that my breasts are small and humble
So you don’t confuse them with mountains
–Shakira

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 3:08 pm
…it tells the story of a climate expert with a lament for the denuded mountain slopes of Nainital…

Paging Dr Freud…

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:09 pm
The Federal Government says privacy considerations prevent it from disclosing how much mining tax has been paid, if any.

Oh, really? There was no mention of this before when Wayne Swanstanza thought he’s be racking in the taxes.

My God, but this mob is a laughing stock. Duplicitous imbeciles.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 3:11 pm
…it tells the story of a climate expert with a lament for the denuded mountain slopes of Nainital…

I haven’t scrolled up as yet….was the above something SFB wrote on his blog?

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 3:13 pm
Wayne Swan, world’s greatest Treasurer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLttYdJB2FQ

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:14 pm
Better than crying hippies…these guys are fucking crazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VThQr8fDiLA

.

15 Jan 13 at 3:15 pm
….was the above something SFB wrote on his blog?

Not far off. His hero, the UN IPCC chairman.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 3:19 pm
I love crying hippies. Just wait till the Fisk Doctrine kicks in, we’ll be swimming in hippie tears.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 3:22 pm
Speaking of crying, this brilliant (viral) promotional clip for the March For Life features Barack Obama pretending to tear up over Sandy Hook.

One of Blair’s commenters reminds us of the greatest phony tear-up of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr8Y9qguTgc

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:22 pm
The latest tales about Slippery Pete from Fauxfacts new star “Investigative Reporter”
Can you imagine the stink if any of Murdoch’s stable used Larry Pickering’s website as a source and labelled him as an “Investigative Reporter?”
Maybe the AFP should hold a presser denouncing internet nutjobs.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

15 Jan 13 at 3:23 pm
I’ve got to say while quickly scrolling through this thread, this thread is awesome in its hilarity.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 3:26 pm
DRUDGE header pic says it all:

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/drudge-guns-e1357759483610.jpg

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:32 pm
Do cheats ever prosper?

Have a look-see at Lance Armstrong’s home and judge for yourself.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:35 pm
New York mayor backs Democrat abolition of democracy:

Bloomberg urges Obama to defy Congress, implement gun control by executive action.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 3:38 pm
I love crying hippies.

I laughed so much I nearly fell off my chair.

Token

15 Jan 13 at 3:42 pm
Daryl Slusher, an assistant director of the Austin City Water Authority in charge of conservation, said the city had ruled out a leak.

Cardinal Sin ? Judge Hanger ? Dr Frankenputz ?

Pickles

15 Jan 13 at 3:42 pm
Armstrong only cheated as much as every other guy in the Peleton. Still amazing in my book.

Infidel Tiger

15 Jan 13 at 3:49 pm
In breathless prose that risks making Dr Pachauri, who will be 70 this year, a laughing stock among the serious, high-minded scientists and world leaders with whom he mixes, he details sexual encounter after sexual encounter.

A laughing stock among the Mills & Boon crowd too, I’d expect. I wonder how much of it Doc Patch plagiarized? Imagine the IPPC’s top “climate scientist” [ABC™] being caught out plagiarizing a Mills & Boon novel? Karma.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 3:51 pm
Alarmist are now grading bushfires:

Extreme bushfires to hit more often

Token

15 Jan 13 at 4:00 pm
Dr. Pachuri should stick to writing bodice-rippers, for which he shows an aptitude hindered only by his rather lurid talent, whereas he’s no good at all at climate science. The tale of Sanjay, Sajni and the lust Sanjay had never known before left me enthralled at the start, but sadly let down then by the simple ‘removal’ of Sanjay’s clothes. With that extent of passion, Doc, surely he should have ‘flung’ them off? But don’t be put off by me, you’re off to a good start, I’d say, and for a bodice-ripper a breast fetish that you ‘can’t let go of’ is pretty de rigeur, so you do carry through on your theme. But you have a way to go yet to rival Fifty Shades and really reach those explosive heights.

To rival that, Doc, take my hint. Somewhere, somehow, a lingam must rise as her yoni yearns – as is culturally appropriate for your pulsating hero and his reclining muse. I am sure you are there already actually. You just have to find the words.

Elizaabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 4:23 pm
Armstrong only cheated as much as every other guy in the Peleton.

Surely people are starting to acknowledge this now. It’s like weightlifting; no one in the elite levels of the sport is not on drugs! Fucking smell the coffee people!

John Mc

15 Jan 13 at 4:25 pm
LOL, Theodore Dalrymple brings us the crazy lefty mind in action:

An interesting article in the left-wing newspaper, Libération, by Marcela Iacub, took another line: Depardieu is not so much to be hated, excoriated or despised, as pitied.

The argument in the article is as follows. Money is a means to an end, not an end in itself; beyond a certain level, long ago reached by Depardieu, more brings no greater happiness. He would not, after all, be twice as happy in a Parisian house worth $132 million as in one worth only $66 million.

…By removing himself to a different tax jurisdiction Depardieu, it is true, might continue to enjoy a few extra millions for the rest of his life; but, asks the author, ‘when one considers that he is 64 years old, his physical condition [he is monstrously fat], and the scant care he takes of his health, will there be enough time be left to him to enjoy his few millions saved?’

In short, by refusing to pay his taxes, Depardieu shows that he is running after false gods and does not know or understand his own best interests. He is therefore a man to be pitied, as are all those who waste their lives chasing false gods; he is the victim of his own folly. The author says that the French Prime Minister, M. Ayrault, was mistaken when he publicly contrasted Depardieu’s egoism with what he called ‘fiscal patriotism.’ He should instead have said to Depardieu, ‘Your are stupid, you are mad, you are suicidal.’ This is because, by refusing to accept redistributive taxation at a very high level, Depardieu ‘risks losing things that are above price, such as the love, esteem and admiration of his fellow-countrymen.’

Token

15 Jan 13 at 4:27 pm
Dr. Pachuri should stick to writing bodice-rippers, for which he shows an aptitude hindered only by his rather lurid talent, whereas he’s no good at all at climate science. The tale of Sanjay, Sajni and the lust Sanjay had never known before left me enthralled at the start, but sadly let down then by the simple ‘removal’ of Sanjay’s clothes. With that extent of passion, Doc, surely he should have ‘flung’ them off? But don’t be put off by me, you’re off to a good start, I’d say, and for a bodice-ripper a feeling for a bosom that you ‘can’t let go of’ is pretty de rigeur, so you do carry through on your theme. But you have a way to go yet to rival Fifty Shades and really reach those exalted heights. I am sure you are there already actually. You just have to find the words.

(my last piece got put into moderation, so this one is self-moderated, hope it survives).

Elizaabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 4:30 pm
I’d move from France just to get away from my fellow countryman even if it meant paying more tax.

John Mc

15 Jan 13 at 4:31 pm
Dr. Pachuri should stick to writing bodice-rippers, for which he shows an aptitude hindered only by his rather lurid talent, whereas he’s no good at all at climate science. The tale of Sanjay, Sajni and the lust Sanjay had never known before left me enthralled at the start, but sadly let down then by the simple ‘removal’ of Sanjay’s clothes. With that extent of passion, Doc, surely he should have ‘flung’ them off? But don’t be put off by me, you’re off to a good start, I’d say, and for a bodice-ripper a breast fetish that you ‘can’t let go of’ is pretty de rigeur, so you do carry through on your theme. But you have a way to go yet to rival Fifty Shades and really reach those explosive heights.

To rival that, Doc, take my hint. Somewhere, somehow, a lingam must rise as her yoni yearns – as is culturally appropriate for your pulsating hero and his reclining muse. I am sure you are there already actually. You just have to find the words.

(was in moderation I think due to mispelling my name)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 4:36 pm
Hey Stepford…. we all know you’re reading this, so stop pretending..

.was the above something SFB wrote on his blog?

Not far off. His hero, the UN IPCC chairman.

Did you read Pach’s sex novel?

Do a review please. Be fucking useful for once in your miserable life.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 4:39 pm
The tale of Sanjay, Sajni and the lust Sanjay had never known before left me enthralled at the start,

Enthralled or excited Lizzie?

JC

15 Jan 13 at 4:41 pm
I’d move from France just to get away from my fellow countryman even if it meant paying more tax.

Actually as a non-citizen I don’t think you really have to pay much tax.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 4:42 pm
Gab:

Japanese Stocks Trading Below Fair Value, Smithers Says
Bloomberg – 1 hour ago
Japanese stocks are a better value than U.S. equities and will extend gains even without further weakness in the yen, according to advisory firm Smithers & Co.

Jap stocks are going to the moon in Yen terms this year. Don’t convert to Yen though.

I think there’s a 20% depreciation potential in the Yen for the next 12 months as the BOJ, with the government gun pointed at their stupid head continues to print record amounts of Yen.

I think stocks there could go up 20 to 30% which is why I suggest buying with borrowed Yen, not converted aussie into yen.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 4:45 pm
I’d move from France just to get away from my fellow countryman even if it meant paying more tax.

I’m confident Gerard will be able to afford a lovely dacha and will have a bevvy of young things who will help him over come his sadness over the lost of “the love, esteem and admiration of his fellow-countrymen.”

Token

15 Jan 13 at 4:46 pm
Rajendra “big heaving boozies” Pachauri’s obituary:

“As a climate scientist he made an excellent writer of bodice rippers”

Rabz

15 Jan 13 at 4:51 pm
Enthralled or excited Lizzie?

Still trying to decide, JC. In the meantime, I’m impelled to go shopping. Must be excitement, I guess. I will purchase us something nice for dinner tonight.

Oysters to start, perhaps.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 4:56 pm
JC,
How do you do that?

Woolfe

15 Jan 13 at 4:58 pm
Michael Smith follows the news at Ninemsn

The Fair Work Commission has issued a further 17 subpoenas seeking evidence from brothels and hotels against federal independent MP Craig Thomson.

The action came after a dozen subpoenas were issued in early December.

Thommo was doing field research for Pachauri’s next book? I do think that they should have put Independent in inverted commas though. And why now? Surely they had enough information to seek this evidence twelve months ago!

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 5:02 pm
Man, JC, and here I was turning my nose up at your ‘borrow Yen, buy Honda’. Well good for you, hope you keep making the dosh.

Jap stocks are going to the moon in Yen terms this year

And that, folks, is why he makes the big bucks.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 5:03 pm
Before the act of congress, the lingham must be annointed with a tin of Ghee and a dozen Brohonta leaves. And no wonder they’re starving if that’s what they do with their tucker. H/T Bazza.

Pickles

15 Jan 13 at 5:03 pm
Woplfe

Ask the broker to fund the purchase in yen terms. Keep an aussie dollar equivalent deopsit with them

That’s really important because yen looks like dog turd and the government is doing its best to make it so.

Im really long of honda motor and the 3 times eft on the NYSE. The last one is scary though but its a good ride.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 5:04 pm
Is shagger in a position like slippery, in that it could be in his best interest to resign and get the maximum pension? Or hasn’t he been in long enough – parliament, not the brothel – for that to be a factor?

harrys on the boat

15 Jan 13 at 5:06 pm
ABC reports that the IPCC has recognised their errors in the Himalayan meltdown story, but that they have learned from it. They go on to say that the next report will have a section on rising sea levels.
Not much learning evident there, from any of them.

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 5:07 pm
And that, folks, is why he makes the big bucks.

Always at the beginning of the year and then piss it off to mid year and make some of it back in the last few months.

You dunno how true that is.

I hope fat boy doesn’t read this. Making money off stocks and currencies seems to get the moron upset

Hey monster, what about bonds? You’ve never mentioned bonds getting you angry.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 5:09 pm
Making money off stocks and currencies seems to get the moron upset

Yeah, I’ve noticed he gets quite vicious on that score. Makes me laugh though as he is quite clearly jealous.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 5:11 pm
Hey Woolfe

If the broker will only buy in yen terms, then do this…go do a futures contract selling yen against Aussie. That will cover the stock exposure and reverse on exit.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 5:12 pm
Is shagger in a position like slippery, in that it could be in his best interest to resign and get the maximum pension?

Because the Shagger entered Parliament in 2007 (that is, after the Mark Latham inspired changes to Parliamentary Super), he is not a beneficiary of the Defined Benefits scheme that the Musselman enjoys. If he is convicted in office sufficient to vacate his seat, he would only be entitled only to the refund of his contributions; if he is not forced out due to section 44 then he would be entitled to his contributions plus the earnings on his contributions. It’s very small beer compared to Slipper’s circumstances.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 5:31 pm
Cheers JC!

Woolfe

15 Jan 13 at 6:11 pm
Gerard Depardieu and Slippery Pete both have a lot of dosh to lose if they don’t cut and run. Money tends to sort them all out in the wash.

It’s great stuff. JC knows that in his trades.

No oysters to be had at the local shops, JC. We are having vacuum-packed ready-cooked Peking Duck and a little side-dish of leftover pork roast. With frozen broad beans and maybe some sort of noodles. Da Hairy Ape was once made an honorary member of the Peking Duck Appreciation Society (a genuine group) by some guy in Beijing, but surely he won’t recall the difference? (Ummm to self – he does go to China a lot though). Also picked up some Halva, and whatever the Greeks call Turkish Delight (he’s keen the Greek islands). We’ll be sweet.

Probably.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 6:19 pm
First Newspoll of 2013 has Coalition losing three points to just lead 51-49. Primaries are now 38 Labor, 44 Coalition, 9 Greens. Game on.

And no significant movement in Essential polls, I tell you the ALP has Murdoch in the tank this election and despite all the baying of the Australian opinion and editorial page (anyway who reads the Australian).

Bring on 2016.

Grey

15 Jan 13 at 6:23 pm
One for CL to mull over.

Yobbo

15 Jan 13 at 6:37 pm
Kiss and make up over Peking Duck – ya, das ist gut! (Oops, different country).

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 6:38 pm
The net is closing on a leading climate fraud.

Climatologist James Hansen is under sustained attack accused of global warming fraud at a time when the powerful science journal, Nature admits “research is riddled with systematic errors.”

Poor Old Rafe

15 Jan 13 at 6:56 pm
No, I have not Pachauri’s novel; and yes, it would be good if prominent people involved in climate change advocacy did not have peculiar hobbies with which to be ridiculed.

Peking duck is just about the most over-rated dish in the world, I think. The sauce is usually overpowering; the pancake part is nothing special, and I just don’t get its appeal.

I do like duck by itself, however, and the Luv-a-Duck range of precooked duck legs or breasts is very good. Just not the Peking duck version.

My wife has also taken to roasting ducks at home in the last year. I used to think they were a bit tricky to cook at home, based on my one attempt decades ago with a frozen duck. But no, they come out very well.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 7:00 pm
He is already a self confessed climate fraud….

What some have to be concerned about, a bit like here in Australia, is why did no one pick him up and just say you have no job any more.

NoFixedAddress

15 Jan 13 at 7:02 pm
Rafe is quoting a 8 month old post by a anti AGW advocate who is co-author of a book which features (if I recall correctly from Judith Curry’s blog – where I think it got discussed) completely wrong arguments about how CO2 can’t increase temperature at all.

You’re getting sillier by the day, Rafe.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 7:11 pm
Kiss and make up over Peking Duck

Hey Gab, HIA and I haven’t even had a tiff – I was just thinking of pretending I hadn’t wasted a lot of the day away doing nothing much, not even cooking, and was just planning on being generally nice to him via dins.

That tiff we had was on Sunday and we made up on that over the Sunday pork roast, the dregs of which he gets tonight as well, cunningly disguised as Asian.

Now SfB can once more tell me ‘too much information’ as he has on another thread.

You are as bad as Da Hairy Ape when we are at US Customs, Stevie. Just be quiet Lizzie, he says. Dey don’t need to know what dey don’t ask.

I’ve got nothing to hide and nor as he, so why not have a chat, I think. They must have boring lives and would enjoy a chat. One look from Da Ape though and I shut up.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 7:13 pm
The Coonabaraban fires were again top of the list on ABC TV News. Once again it’s a National Park that’s the real villain, and I blame all those who lobbied for them and those pollies who bent over to create them.

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:15 pm
Fme.

SBS news just now reported that Obummer “gave in” to Republican pressure 2 years ago to cut spending in order to raise the debt ceiling but that he won’t “cave in” now.

I shit u not.

We fund insane leftist bias but not just at their ABC.

JamesK

15 Jan 13 at 7:16 pm
Vodka shots up the nose saved her life!

kae

15 Jan 13 at 7:17 pm
The blog post Rafe links to has this

As Nature states, “Alarming cracks are starting to penetrate deep into the scientific edifice.” Although the article baulked at naming and shaming Hansen, the beleaguered spokesman of climate alarmism nonetheless immediately rushed to defend himself in an OpEd in The New York Times (May 10).

Baulked at naming and shaming? It didn’t have a sodding single mention of climate science. It was medical science in focus (good article though).
http://www.nature.com/news/beware-the-creeping-cracks-of-bias-1.10600

Grey

15 Jan 13 at 7:17 pm
Another propaganda blast from the ABC on the IPCC meeting and climate change. So reassuring to see Paucheri used as an authority.
More maps of Australia being “coloured in” to show where disaster will strike!

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:17 pm
Awww. ABC News shows little adolescent elephant had a massive ‘spike in testosterone’ which made him attack his keeper.

They permit gender differences in elephants apparently.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 7:17 pm
Glad you cleared that up, Lizzie. Thanks. I sensed a bit of disquiet in your previous comment, which you have now identified as guilt! LOL Don’t worry, I won’t tell your HIA you’ve been doing a Tim Mathieson today.

Have you drawn him a bath at least?

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 7:19 pm
Another creeping crack alert from Grey. Thanks, Sinc.

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:19 pm
but in its absence vets used vodka from a nurse’s car to treat Cleo.

Hmmm, keeps vodka in the car, as you do.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 7:22 pm
The Coonabaraban fires were again top of the list on ABC TV News

Yes Blogstrop. And weren’t they disappointed (a dying fall in the voice) that ‘fortunately’ so few houses were affected?

HIA just got in and notes – just like when dey were trying to find an oil-affected duck in the Gulf – and couldn’t.

Obama just on; dat’s alright den, says Da Ape, with a shake of his head, as Obama opts to max out the credit card as a measure of fiscal rectitude.

He’s worse than you, Lizzie, he says with his wicked grin as I throw a cushion at him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 7:25 pm
Heh. Also at your link, Rafe:

Latest research shows that news coverage of the global warming scare fell again in 2012. Despite all the hype over ‘Superstorm Sandy’ the year 2012 continued the trend of falling mainstream news and public interest about climate. But while most news outlets cut back on global warming stories the core promoters of the man-made warming cult are unmoved in their coverage.

Ppeople are just sick and tired of the alarmism BS “predictions”. Hey, when you don’t have a job, the climate religion is the last thing to concern over.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 7:26 pm
From Yobbo’s link:

“Just days after the twins were killed Belgium’s ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment which would allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer’s sufferers.”

That’s very interesting but no surprise.

nilk

15 Jan 13 at 7:31 pm
They didn’t dwell too long on the 13 degree C temperature we had this morning in the west of Sydney, some 6 below normal; too busy saying that there’s another hotter spell coming – hallelujah!

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:31 pm
Uh-oh! Leigh Sales is back. About as welcome as a King Brown in the veggie patch.

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:32 pm
Hey, when you don’t have a job, the climate religion is the last thing to concern over.

I am very sorry to hear that, Gab. I hear you can get some good work picking fruit in the summer months.

Grey

15 Jan 13 at 7:33 pm
“Re the Logan riots, Fairfax erases somewhat controversial Aboriginal phraseoloy”

Take it easy on Desley Scott, CL, she has far too many shadow portfolios to look after. All six of them do. So, she is a bit “swamped” herself.

2dogs

15 Jan 13 at 7:40 pm
Or as welcome as any opf the Catallaxy troll brigade.

blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 7:40 pm
Bolta checks in from LA

The US-based Daily Kos gloats over some hot weather over in Australia – and suggests an embarrassed silence:

Australia is currently “sweltering” through a heatwave that has been ongoing since the beginning of the year. It’s been the longest run of above 39 degree Celsius days since 1973. Monday was the hottest average national temperature across the country since records began 100 years ago. Hundreds of fires are burning throughout Australia right now…

Andrew Bolt, one of the more prolific and vicious Australian denialists, hasn’t posted on his blog since 3 January…for some reason.

Well, the reason I haven’t blogged is, as a quick check of the blog would suggest, I am on holidays – and my children yell at me if I sneak away to blog.

As expected, he’s not impressed with the Greens or media coverage of the weather.

as the Greens made clear last week with their defence of climate activist Jonathan Moylan, who hoaxed Whitehaven shareholders, even lying brazenly to advance the warming cause is not just permissible but admirable. Makes me wonder what other lies have been excused as being for our own good.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 7:42 pm
blogstrop, I have been to the Warrumbungle National Park, and I remember it vividly because it was the first time I ever saw koalas in the wild. Cute. Unfortunately, the fires would have barbecued those in their path, whereas a few cool burns to reduce fuel loads could have spared most of them (cool burns don’t get into the treetops).

In the ‘Reap What You Sow’ thread someone pointed out that the trees went right up to the edge of the $100m telescope. Another triumph for the green-infested NSW parks service. There should have been a substantial firebreak all around it, but that would be anathema to the ‘every tree is sacred’ crowd.

johanna

15 Jan 13 at 7:54 pm
@ DOT – I do believe that you have yet to deliver a copy of The Questionnaire to our new Leftist trolls (such as Grey), meaning their presence here is actually illegal. We simply cannot have a repeat of this procedural oversight, dot.

Fisky

15 Jan 13 at 7:55 pm
Ah. Balmy 26ºC, sitting at the computer at my dining room table, looking across the lounge rooom through the shaded verandah at a nice mid-summer sunset. Had a bottle of Stella before dinner of tender bbq’d fillet steak with brown rice and veggies accompanied by a couple of glasses of a delicious Coonawarra Cabernet Sauvignon. About to pour a third glass to savour while continuing into the night on a financial audit. Ellie Goulding’s album ‘Halcyon’ now playing in the earphones. What more could one want?

Septimus

15 Jan 13 at 7:57 pm
Apropos of today’s ABC lead in the news, guys, here’s a lady I always like to hear from – on the Oz comments section:

Annie of Hunter Valley NSW Posted at 1:12 PM Today

Bovine Manure. That is all I have to say, other than we rural firies MUST be allowed to cool burn from now on. We have had enough of interference from Greens and so called Environmental Dept’s to last us for a long time. This country needs to burn, and it needs to burn with supervision. Greens and environmentalists never turn up to help us destroy the badly burnt wildlife, or the cattle and sheep, they just sit in their air conditioned offices pontificating. After what I have just been thru at Coonabarabran so help me, no Greenie should stand in front of me.

Comment 23 of 44

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 7:58 pm
I love the way everyone at this blog is a bushfire prevention expert.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 7:58 pm
Rafe, even though, as the resident Nazi amoeba points out, that John O’Sullivan link is eight months old, it’s an excellent background reference on how Hansen almost single-handedly created the climate scam when he and other activists were in the process of setting up the IPCC in the 1980s. Green politics and the subversion of the education system were doubtless essential in signing up the juvenile zombie hordes, but ultimately the driver was money, IMO. The fall of the CAGW empire may still be 10 years away, but the process will accelerate if corrupt arseholes like Hansen are taken down in court. This prick’s ruthless pursuit of his anti-civilisationist political objectives has done more harm to science than any other event in history.

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 8:00 pm
After what I have just been thru at Coonabarabran so help me, no Greenie should stand in front of me

I’m all for sending her up to SFB to “take care” of him.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 8:01 pm
Yep, the light starting to fade here too, ocean breeze and BBQ heating up.
At 7pm, just as nature intended up here in the real Australia.

jumpnmcar

15 Jan 13 at 8:02 pm
I love the way everyone at this blog is a bushfire prevention expert.

Get rid of the bush. Problem solved.

You never hear of fires rampaging cross golf courses, race tracks or housing developments.

Australia is like a 1970′s porno – far too much bush.

Infidel Tiger

15 Jan 13 at 8:03 pm
John, as Nic said, it’s the memoir, Quartered Safe Out Here, which I believe recounts the Aussie’s advice on crowd control: “Always shoot the wog with the red turban.”

Abu Chowdah

15 Jan 13 at 8:04 pm
Wish I was there Jumpncar

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 8:09 pm
just as nature intended up here in the real Australia

Beautiful one day, perfect the next

Septimus

15 Jan 13 at 8:10 pm
Gab, you were stupid enough to leap in and say the ANU had learnt nothing from the Mt Stromlo experience. In fact, in interviews they made it clear it was the opposite: they had done fuel reduction burns near Siding Spring, and (I heard on 7.30) hardened the buildings against fire by measuers such as fire proof glass in windows.

Result – no major facility lost, and the buildings that did burn appear quite minor ones.

But go ahead, be a “know it all” based on what any farmer or bush fire fighter says.

Here’s a hint Gab – not everyone is an expert; and even experts can have agendas which colour their opinion; not everyone’s opinion is based on fact at all – like yours, for example.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 8:11 pm
sdog:

I love crying hippies. Just wait till the Fisk Doctrine kicks in, we’ll be swimming in hippie tears.

Oh…

I thought it was going to be blood?

Mk50 of Brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 8:14 pm
Australia is like a 1970′s porno – far too much bush.

Sinc, I know we’re up to our armpits in liberty quotes, but what about creating a space between liberty quotes and recent comments for Cat philosophy? There are dozens of zingers a week. In particular, IT needs to be recognised for his role as a Philosophical Consultant to the Fisk Doctrine.

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 8:14 pm
sfb, since the ANU, which runs the Siding Spring observatory, has no jurisdiction over the surrounding park, I am mystified as to how they could have done fuel reduction burns. And it doesn’t answer the question – why was there not a large firebeak around this expensive and scientifically important facility. That was in the purview of the NSW parks authority.

The fact that they took mitigation measures on the structure suggests to me that they could see that a potential disaster was only a matter of time.

johanna

15 Jan 13 at 8:20 pm
not everyone’s opinion is based on fact at all

But, of course your opinion is always based fact, right Stevo?
Fuckwit…

Skuter

15 Jan 13 at 8:29 pm
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S WAR ON WOMEN:

Leon Panetta—a man—is going to leave his position as secretary of defense. Barack Obama wants him to be replaced by Chuck Hagel—a man.

Michael Morell—a man—is going to leave his position as acting director of central intelligence. Barack Obama wants him to be replaced by John Brennan—a man.

Hillary Clinton—a woman—is going to leave her position as secretary of state. Barack Obama wants her to be replaced by John Kerry—a man.

Timothy Geithner—a man—is going to leave his position as secretary of the treasury. Barack Obama wants him to be replaced by Jack Lew—a man.

Since making Jack Lew—a man—the secretary of the treasury would require him to leave his current position as chief of staff, Barack Obama will have to nominate someone else for that position. According to the New York Times, the choice is down to Ronald Klain and Denis McDonough—both men.

Hey, he gave you chicks free birth control. That’s what you wanted, right? Stuff for your vaginas.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 8:30 pm
SfB. Fuck you talk tough to women. Why don’t you stick to butt plugs and Tony’s cock and stealing bread and scaring children. Wash up retard and then go away again.

Tiny Dancer

15 Jan 13 at 8:36 pm
“not everyone is an expert; and even experts can have agendas which colour their opinion; not everyone’s opinion is based on fact at all “

Like the IPCC ?
What did you think the Donna Lamframboise book SfB ?

jumpnmcar

15 Jan 13 at 8:38 pm
JoNova salutes a true conscientious objector, Maxwell Szulc, currently serving 15 months in gaol for clearing a firebreak on his property in 2011.

Szulc is a conscientious objector, and cleared the land as a protest against laws he sees as completely unjust.

Szulc believes that his land is his land, and that he should be able to manage it without asking permission from anyone.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 8:39 pm
So is everyone aware of this:

Oracle releases emergency Java patch; experts warn flaws may take 2 years to fix
Oracle released an emergency patch for Java, but security experts warn the patch doesn’t fix all critical vulnerabilities. Not counting future Java exploits, the current Java bugs may take ’2 years’ to fully fix. In fact, US-CERT advises, “Unless it is absolutely necessary to run Java in web browsers, disable it, even after updating to 7u11.”

After the Department of Homeland Security’s US-CERT warned users to disable Java to stop hackers from taking control of users’ machines, Oracle issued an emergency patch on Sunday.

Last week, US-CERT warned that the newest Java “vulnerability is being attacked in the wild, and is reported to be incorporated into exploit kits. Exploit code for this vulnerability is also publicly available. We have confirmed that Windows, OS X, and Linux platforms are affected.”

By convincing a user to visit a specially crafted HTML document, a remote attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. Note that applications that use the Internet Explorer web content rendering components, such as Microsoft Office or Windows Desktop Search, may also be used as an attack vector for this vulnerability.

Oracle said to update immediately since the vulnerabilities were being exploited in the wild.

have people disabled Java then?

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 8:39 pm
More from the above link

note the difference between Szulc and Moylan — the Green who fraudulently issued a press release and trashed the share price of a coal miner. Szulc hurt no one, he was protesting with his own property. That is civil disobedience. Moylan did not profit, but he caused economic damage to some innocent and law abiding citizens — they paid the price for his protest. The coal industry will also now find it just a little bit harder to raise capital. That’s not civil disobedience, that’s sabotage.

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 8:46 pm
The vodka in the car was a Christmas gift, probably not retrieved from the car since being received.

kae

15 Jan 13 at 8:56 pm
A bona fide bushfire expert (Phil Cheney) recommended to the victorian commission after their disaster that they should burn off ten percent annually – the commission reduced that to five perent, and so far they haven’t even done that in Vic.
As usual SfB tries to cast doubt on everyone’s opinion while himself being an expert in nothing, merely a recurring pollutant here.

Blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 8:59 pm
National Parks are a monument to PC delusion and are a danger to society.

Blogstrop

15 Jan 13 at 9:00 pm
Honest question

why is it that over the past 3 days all I hear, when I get in the car and listen to the radio, about is that Victorian fire fighter who died of natural causes while in Tassie.

I mean okay.. he was a good bloke and all but why 3 days worth of being on almost every news bulletin?

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:04 pm
National Parks are a monument to PC delusion and are a danger to society.

The only “natural parks” we have worth a dine are the botanical gardens which have variety and beautiful tress and plants from all over the world. The Melbourne one is great and we take the dog for a walk through it quite often. It’s a really feel good place with man made lakes, nice lawn and terrific vistas of the cityscape.

I’d bet such a thing couldn’t get done now because the foreign trees and plants might clash with the original owner fauna.

All the other stuff… Australian fauna is shit awful and boring except for the stuff near beaches.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:09 pm
I think you mean Flora. Stupid ipad.

Yobbo

15 Jan 13 at 9:14 pm
…doing a Tim Mathieson today.

Watch Woman’s Day in the year after the Red Yabbi leaves office. That man will be coming out…

Token

15 Jan 13 at 9:15 pm
Oh shit… flora…lol.. of course… anyways the fauna is pretty stupid too.

I went out and kinda got a little under the weather this evening, Yobs. Even forgot where the car was parked for minute. Nice drop.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:16 pm
Token

There were some rumors about a year ago that Steddman was acting very indiscreet living in the Lodge, but I never got to the bottom of it. You know the story? anyone?

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:18 pm
Ellie Goulding is good listening but something else is now required to accompany tonight’s number crunching. Something quieter … Ennio Morricone’s soundtrack to ‘Lolita’ … to be followed by James Horner’s soundtrack to ‘House of Sand and Fog’.

One last glass has been wrung from the bottle of Coonawarra Cab Sav and hopefully the Trial Balance will soon be reconciled with what is, or ought to be, in the Financial Statements.

Fun.

Septimus

15 Jan 13 at 9:23 pm
…Maxwell Szulc, currently serving 15 months in gaol for clearing a firebreak on his property in 2011.

What state?

If it’s a Liberal Party state, I am officially abandoning that party permanently.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 9:31 pm
sounds like WA

http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/maxwell-szulc-criminal-or

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:34 pm
Yeah, Yobbo – re the Belgian thing: words fail.

Pure Nazism. That’s the end-zone for all moral subjectivism.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 9:37 pm
I agree with Rush. He’s pinned this well.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/14/obama_and_moderate_republicans_see_conservatives_as_common_enemy

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:38 pm
Re-posted: here’s a baby elephant practising for a future charging career.

Mum still has his back, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOXiqK8Vryo

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 9:38 pm
The points that Rush was making about the establishment Republicans basically throwing in the towel in some applies here with the Libs.

How on earth could the WA liberal party allow that dude to remain in jail for 18 months as a result of clearing his own land is beyond me.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 9:43 pm
Oh good grief!! I just stupidly looked up SfBs blog ( only because it ignores my question it does).
The creepy loon should be on a register and wear an ankle monitor.
Three below the belt.
WARNING ! pathetic deviant content.

jumpnmcar

15 Jan 13 at 9:47 pm
Pure Nazism.

I didn’t think the Jews, gays or disabled killer under that regime were actually requesting it like this couple were. But you’re the historian. Apparently.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 9:50 pm
Steve the ‘Catholic’ historian now approves of killing deaf people. The point is that ‘doctors’ are now murdering people pursuant to Belgian law, Steve, you imbecile.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 9:53 pm
No, CL. I think it is terrible that the law there allows that. You still made a stupid comparison.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 9:55 pm
jump – you’re being a drama queen.

steve from brisbane

15 Jan 13 at 9:57 pm
Cold-hands, just read that link to Jo Nova’s site on the farmers in WA being hamstrung in clearing their land, and the brave soul who went to jail for fifteen months for his civil disobedience on that (a disobedience that unlike the coal greenie’s did not cause hardship to anyone but himself). Agree with CL. This is a Liberal Party state. What is going on?

It is an astounding piece and shows just how far a creeping bureaucratic fascism has developed in this country.

Too much effing information, Stevie? I’ll give you too much information, you slimy little green tree frog. Gab is right. We should send Annie of the Hunter Valley up to frighten you with her fire hose.

Gab – great news. The meal was a huge success. My rice vermicelli noodles with shallots and broad beans smoothed by a dash of sesame oil were a perfect adjunct to the Asian Hoisin and Honey Pork and the Peking Duck in sauce, all nicely served surrounded by green leaves (eat those Greens).

I do like dose broad beans, said the Appreciative Ape. You done good, Lizzie.

He gets my superior smile back, because I know he can speak very properly when he needs to.

‘Tank yew for munchin’ it, I reply nicely.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 9:58 pm
Any other Justified fans here? I was late to the party, so I’m still catching up on Season 2 via DVD. Great series. As my music contribution tonight, here’s the equally awesome intro theme.

Bluegrass meets rap. It works. JUSTIFIED – ¨LONG HARD TIMES TO COME¨ by GANGSTAGRASS & T.O.N.E.Z.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:00 pm
No, Steve – the comparison is precise and telling.

Nazism was a statist ideology that sanctioned immorality, including murder.

Exactly as the Belgians are doing.

As always, your CL obsession has led you into Self-Beclowningville.

C.L.

15 Jan 13 at 10:03 pm
…doing a Tim Mathieson today.

Watch Woman’s Day in the year after the Red Yabbi leaves office. That man will be coming out…

I can see it now.
The photo spread with Tim and Slippery Pete in matching white dressing gowns.
Now where have I seen that before?

Leigh Lowe

15 Jan 13 at 10:06 pm
From JC’s link, Limbaugh is spot-on:

What did Lincoln do, as far as these people are concerned? He wiped out the South. But he didn’t finish. According to Salon, he did not finish. “Lincoln’s Unfinished War Rages On…” So what the left is admitting that they are doing today is, once again, trying just finish it off. Lincoln did not fully finish. The South is trying to go back to the old America, which doesn’t exist anymore. They’re turning back the clock on women.

They’re turning back the clock on gays and gay marriage. They’re all focused on God and guns in the South. They love both of them! So the South has to be wiped out again. I’m telling you: Essentially, there is an all-out effort being made to marginalize conservatism, because it’s the last remaining shred of opposition to what most who live in Washington want, both Republicans and Democrats.

There is no effort to solve a problem. There’s no effort to get the deficit under control. There’s no real effort to control spending. We’re going to grant amnesty. We’re going to open the border. We’re going to do all these things the left and Big Government types have wanted to do for the longest time. We’re gonna make moves on guns. They finally got health care done, and now we’re on the march. So wherever there’s opposition to it, we’re gonna take it out.

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 10:06 pm
OMFG. Thanks for that, Jump. *shudder*

http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/three-below-belt.html

So besides obsessively trolling this blog, this is what SfB does as soon as his “wife” and “kiddies” are out of the house for the day?

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:06 pm
Murdering a scientific paper on sea-level rise – the Graham Lloyd way

m0nty

15 Jan 13 at 10:06 pm
I don’t think I’d like to see SfB’s internet search history.

I do hope he wipes it daily, before his kiddies come home. They don’t really need to know what their Stedman of a Daddy does all day.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:09 pm
Any other Justified fans here?

Oh hell yeah! Raylan is sooooo dreamy and that southern drawl…mmm..mmm..mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:10 pm
How do you explain to your missus why you have Google Alerts set up for “dildos”, “butt plugs” and “vaginal secretions”, SfB?

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:11 pm
Nick Searcy is a fellow Tarheel… and a Libertarian.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:12 pm
My rice vermicelli noodles with shallots and broad beans smoothed by a dash of sesame oil were a perfect adjunct to the Asian Hoisin and Honey Pork and the Peking Duck in sauce, all nicely served surrounded by green leaves

Ya dun good, Lizzie. Very good.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:13 pm
You are right, Jump: he should be wearing a Queensland Department of Corrections ankle bracelet. I don’t even want to think about what goes on in that house.

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 10:14 pm
have people disabled Java then?

Dear Gab,

Ever since Java came on the scene in the 90′s, and was exploited by the nascent web industry at the time, it was apparent that it was a potentially huge security vulnerability. You downloaded someone else’s code to run on your computer. The Java approach to security has been to ‘sandbox’ the code, so it cannot access things like devices and files on your computer. However this limits its ability to do useful things, that you might like, say on your screen – Java essentially distributes computation so that fun things can run on your computer rather than on the web site you are connected to, which would otherwise be incapable of supporting so many concurrent users. So the original security model has come under pressure to relent.

Since then the problem is not just Java. You are downloading executable code all the time, via Javascript, Activex, and it provides you with a lot of functions that you would complain about if they were not there.

This is the inherent cybersecurity problem. It is not confined to Java. The only safe solution is to not connect to the Internet, or else assume that everything on your computer is accessible to the bad guys and act accordingly. Keeping your computer up to date with security patches is otherwise the only safe behaviour.

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 10:16 pm
Monty wanker: please review Axel Morner’s 350+ peer reviewed papers on sea level rise (makes Church and Rahmstorf look like village idots) and let us know the counter arguments you intend to submit to a peer reviewed journal.

Otherwise fuck off and stop commenting on things you know nothing about..

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 10:20 pm
Their ALPBC reporting that Julia Gillard has no plans to visit WA during the election period. Will they shoot her like those pesky starlings if she tries to cross the Nullabour?

One half of The Glimmer Twins (who might hold his Federal seat if he is lucky) already out running the Party line – the election will be decided on State issues, thus joining NSW, Queensland and the NT wiping Labor off the map. Yep keep repeating it and someone might just believe it.

Media speculation around whether the Libs can form government in their own right – which might slow the outrageous flow of pork under the Nationals Royalties for Regions bribes.

H B Bear

15 Jan 13 at 10:21 pm
Ah, that explains it then, Spot. Y’all such handsome specimens of the South, must visit states below the Mason-Dixon Line one day.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:22 pm
My god, Monty, you actually think a piece of journalistic garbage like Graham Readfearn is a credible source of anything?

Tom

15 Jan 13 at 10:22 pm
Murdering a scientific paper on sea-level rise – the Graham Lloyd way

Have you absolutely no self esteem left, Monster? You’re sending us to Graham Readfearn’s blog now? Lol.

Do you know his bio? The moron is a raving alarmist lunatic and ought to be deported back to limey land.

You’re disgrace to the species.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 10:22 pm
Thank you, sweet Lazlo, for all that information. I feel assured now.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:24 pm
Nazism was a statist ideology that sanctioned immorality, including murder.

They were also extreme ‘environmentalists’. The SS were all vegetarians and were on mission to protect Gaia.

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 10:25 pm
Gab

You know damn well thats how the duchess of York got her man to abdicate the throne? By saying to him that no-one had crossed the mason dixon line?

Hmmmmm

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:29 pm
Their ALPBC reporting that Julia Gillard has no plans to visit WA during the election period. Will they shoot her like those pesky starlings if she tries to cross the Nullabour?

At least she’s smart enough to identify a waste of time when she sees one.

Media speculation around whether the Libs can form government in their own right – which might slow the outrageous flow of pork under the Nationals Royalties for Regions bribes.

The “regions” generate 95% of all economic activity in Western Australia. There aren’t many Iron Ore mines or Wheat farms in City Beach. Yet, before Brendan Grylls, the regional areas of WA had their arse hanging out to even get roads sealed.

Yobbo

15 Jan 13 at 10:31 pm
WOW impressed with Lizzie’s cooking. I just had a few dates left over from Xmas so baked up a date and apricot loaf just then (apricots only to fill the date shortfall).

Not bad, but I shouldnt be eating it!

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:32 pm
Shucks.

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 10:33 pm
My god, Monty, you actually think a piece of journalistic garbage like Graham Readfearn is a credible source of anything?

He does. You can see the emtional trail he left beyond for us to see.

In between 3 cartons of Dunkins monster thinks to himself… what’s Graham Readfearn talking about on his blog, as I haven’t been there for the last few days.

So he reads the detestable moron’s thread attacking the Australian’s piece.

Right, he says to himself. I’m going to go over to the Cat and post the link. This will hit them really hard. I have to get back at them for all the grief they’ve caused me

As I said… no self esteem. None.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 10:34 pm
Palin reads JC at the Cat.

Palin wrote: “Please read Ben’s book and consider his advice about how we must stand up and push back twice as hard against this bullying.”

She also wrote:

“Obviously I’ve witnessed the left’s bullying behavior up close and personal when it’s been directed at those so close to me,” Palin said, noting “there’s something especially ugly about the way the left goes after children of conservatives.”

She wrote she found it “highly ironic” that the “supposedly ‘tolerant’ left has done nothing but bully, demonize, and judge my daughter Bristol for making the right decision to keep her baby and work so very hard as a single mom to care and provide for him.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Palin-Read-Ben-Shapiro-s-Book-Bullies-to-Learn-How-to-Fight-Back-Against-Liberal-Bullying

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:34 pm
No, I didn’t know that, Alice.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:36 pm
Serious Gab – that Duchess claimed she was married (well thats what caused the scandal) but her husband had apparently never crossed
the mason dixon line”.

Really.
Really???? (Ive never forgotten that mason dixon line ever since!)

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:39 pm
Is it just me, but doesn’t the alleged “head in a bag” victim look like Peter Fitzsimons sans bandanna? (Pic at bottom of story).

Cold-Hands

15 Jan 13 at 10:40 pm
Alice? Is there an Alice here? I hadn’t noticed. Never will.

johanna

15 Jan 13 at 10:41 pm
Gab

the link is here

http://www.vogue.com/culture/article/the-duchess-wallis-simpson-is-immortalized-once-again-in-anne-sebbas-new-biography/#1

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:42 pm
Palin reads JC at the Cat.

Of course she does.

She obviously gets my point about pushing back twice as hard and don’t stop kicking because they wouldn’t.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 10:42 pm
Johanna – I will reurn your compliment. Sorry I didnt notice you (before or now – are you a timid little mouse or a wallflower who prefers the shadows?)

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:44 pm
Gab

The despicable way the left went after Palin’s daughter was simply beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed. It was so appalling it was jaw dropping.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 10:45 pm
Dream on JC

“Palin reads JC at the Cat”

You are lucky she can read at all.

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:46 pm
JC for gods sake – of all republican candidates Palin took the cake as the dumbest.

Alice

15 Jan 13 at 10:47 pm
the Mason-Dixon Line

Mark Knopfler and James Taylor

Septimus

15 Jan 13 at 10:49 pm
JC for gods sake – of all republican candidates Palin took the cake as the dumbest.

And if anyone knows “dumb”, it’s Our Alice.

The only pediatric oncology specialist in God’s creation who doesn’t “believe in” the blood-brain barrier.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:50 pm
Thanks for the link, Alice. I see what you mean about her Mason-Dixon remark.
————————————

The despicable way the left went after Palin’s daughter was simply beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed. It was so appalling it was jaw dropping.

I’ve not seen anything like it, JC. Death threats, rape threats and more – the left’s new “civility” on display. Palin certainly riled them up for someone who is supposedly “dumb” and inconsequential.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:50 pm
WOW impressed with Lizzie’s cooking.

Whoooooooooohoooooooooooo. A sentence not often heard. Dances around.

Correction though Alice. Mostly, with Lizzie’s purchasing: frozen broad beans (boiled), rice vermicelli (boiled), vacuum pack cooked Peking Duck, hoisin sauce. Add leftover roast pork, microwave the meat, and sprinkle with only-just-in-date salad leaves and shallots. Voila! Bon appetit.

Thanks anyway, and enjoy that date and apricot loaf. I am hitting the Turkish Delight – label says Greek Delight ‘cos it was a Greek shop, but that sounds a bit johnny-come-lately to the aficionado ear, doncha think?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Jan 13 at 10:51 pm
Alice

Lets say she was the dumbest. Lets take that hypothetical point you make and not dispute it.

Why did The Left go after her kid though? Why the poison directed toward her?

We had twice turncoat, Andrew Sullivan, accuse Palin of faking her pregnancy by wearing a stomach bubble to make it appear it was her kid rather than her daughter’s.

This is how far they went.

JC

15 Jan 13 at 10:53 pm
Bon appetit.

Just like Julia Childs…

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 10:54 pm
I used to have a rescue dog named Mason.

Ill-bred hound with no manners, just like a Yankee. But endearing in his own way.

sdog

15 Jan 13 at 10:55 pm
This is how far they went.

Because they are complete scum. Makes McTernan look like a church going bastard.

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 10:59 pm
I am hitting the Turkish Delight

Gosh Lizzie, next you’ll be drinking apple tea and telling us how many knots to the inch there are in the carpet.

Septimus

15 Jan 13 at 11:07 pm
The “regions” generate 95% of all economic activity in Western Australia. There aren’t many Iron Ore mines or Wheat farms in City Beach. Yet, before Brendan Grylls, the regional areas of WA had their arse hanging out to even get roads sealed.

Yobbo, everyone knows that doesn’t count.

wreckage

15 Jan 13 at 11:09 pm
I just had a few dates left over from Xmas

Now that’s going back a long way, to the mysteries of Araby, and the 60s..

Did you have a little balsa wood, two-pronged fork with that?

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 11:18 pm
Dear Sir:

I like words. I like fat buttery words, such as ooze, turpitude, glutinous, toady. I like solemn, angular, creaky words, such as straitlaced, cantankerous, pecunious, valedictory. I like spurious, black-is-white words, such as mortician, liquidate, tonsorial, demi-monde. I like suave “V” words, such as Svengali, svelte, bravura, verve. I like crunchy, brittle, crackly words, such as splinter, grapple, jostle, crusty. I like sullen, crabbed, scowling words, such as skulk, glower, scabby, churl. I like Oh-Heavens, my-gracious, land’s-sake words, such as tricksy, tucker, genteel, horrid. I like elegant, flowery words, such as estivate, peregrinate, elysium, halcyon. I like wormy, squirmy, mealy words, such as crawl, blubber, squeal, drip. I like sniggly, chuckling words, such as cowlick, gurgle, bubble and burp.

I like the word screenwriter better than copywriter, so I decided to quit my job in a New York advertising agency and try my luck in Hollywood, but before taking the plunge I went to Europe for a year of study, contemplation and horsing around.

I have just returned and I still like words.

May I have a few with you?

Robert Pirosh
385 Madison Avenue
Room 610
New York
Eldorado 5-6024
—————————

That was a job application letter written by Pirosh in 1934, sent to “all the directors, producers and studio executives he could think of”. Offered three jobs, he went on to write for the Marx Brothers.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 11:20 pm
The “regions” generate 95% of all economic activity in Western Australia

Using the capital from people who don’t live there.

Infidel Tiger

15 Jan 13 at 11:20 pm
Because the State owns the minerals, Tiger. Not the landowner. If the landowners owned the minerals the situation would be reversed.

wreckage

15 Jan 13 at 11:27 pm
Wonderful Gab. He wrote Day at the Races and A Night at the Opera – notable for the orchestra floating off into the Venice lagoon.

S J Perelman was also a wonderful creator of earlier movies like Monkey Business and Horse Feathers.

Trivia.

What movie was Churchill watching when Hess arrived by aircraft in Scotland?

What was Zeppo Marx’s greatest contribution to civilisation?

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 11:32 pm
The Marx Brothers Go West? (googled it)

Don’t know the answer to the second question, Laz. Do tell.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 11:34 pm
Lizzie I had five liters of ColonLightly.
As preparation for an Alien Anal Probing.
Don’t you ever tell me how hard done by, you are again.

Winston Smith

15 Jan 13 at 11:45 pm
This was on QI recently (the ABC has improved during the well-earned-break period).

I think you are wrong about Go West. Think it was Monkey Business (or Animal Crackers).

Zeppo was an engineer. Inter alia he designed the clamp that released Fat Boy – the atomic bomb that hit Nagasaki.

Anyway, here is Captain Spaulding

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 11:45 pm
Captain Spaulding

Lazlo

15 Jan 13 at 11:46 pm
One thing’s for certain, it wasn’t
A Night in Casablanca.

Gab

15 Jan 13 at 11:53 pm
Hess arrived in Scotland by parachute. He bailed out of the Me110 he’d stolen when it ran out of fuel.

Winston Smith

15 Jan 13 at 11:59 pm
Sure, but Churchill was watching which Marx Brothers movie at the same time? This is the important question.

Lazlo

16 Jan 13 at 12:04 am
Harpo

Lazlo

16 Jan 13 at 12:05 am
“I’ve not seen anything like it, JC. Death threats, rape threats and more – the left’s new “civility” on display. Palin certainly riled them up for someone who is supposedly “dumb” and inconsequential.”

Quite apart from her naturally confident and open demeanour Sarah Palin was a State Governor. The boofhead the USA voted for, twice, had no credentials by comparison – he hadn’t done any work of note either outside or inside politics. On that alone she was clearly of superior capability, by a country mile.

The MSM avidly uncovered every tiny detail about her life. The degenerate in office is so dodgy that a shadowy “they” had to conceal his birth details (certainly not American and father probably unknown), his academic details (likely failed university but given a pass ‘cos of his colour) and his feeble work history as a university payrollee for no work done.

The same US media that pursues the Catholic Church with a bloodlust ignored leads to his Mans Country life on the down low (an American aboriginal, or whatever they’re now known as, who bats for both sides).

I will be long gone when the embargo on that charlatan’s record is lifted. That will reveal the appalling lie perpetrated on their electorate, with the enthusiastic endorsement of a profoundly corrupt Supreme Court judge.

When a couple of retired armed services mates started repeating the “Palin! Oh no, they couldn’t – not her!” mantra they’d seen on the TV news, I shortened them up with the fact that in Australia pedigree prequisites for politicians had slumped to a point where their former employer now reported to an ALP Minister whose previous job was a used car salesman from Newcastle. They had no idea, and later hung their heads in shame when the Chinese CIA’s honey trap became known.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

16 Jan 13 at 12:12 am
More on leftwingers are hypocritical swine

Mark Levin releases a tape of Demorat Diane Fienstein talking about having carried a concealed weapon to protect herself against a threat.

“if he or she takes me out, I’m going to take him/her out”

This Demorat is leading the charge against gun control in the US senate.

Fme.. these people are disgusting. Just disgusting hypocritical swine. They keep forgetting there’s an internet and most of what the have said in the past is potentially available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBbLeqZbPA

Fisk Doctrine.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:12 am
Gosh Lizzie, next you’ll be drinking apple tea and telling us how many knots to the inch there are in the carpet.

Don’t push me, Septimus, or I’ll really show you my wild, wild ways. I’ll move on to cider and there will be no stopping me.

Winston, you poor lamb.

Anyway, I am off to bed like a good girl. Just when the Cat always gets interesting, around midnight. Perhaps I will do a thread-count on the sheets, Septimus, that sounds lively enough for me to bore myself to sleep.

Da Hairy Ape already slumbers apace. Snores falleth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the sheet beneath.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

16 Jan 13 at 12:19 am
If you are talking about Wallis Simpson, she was the Duchess of Windsor.

Duchess of York is Sarah Ferguson.

kae

16 Jan 13 at 12:40 am
Erk.
Winston’s been made to drink drano.

I only have to drink three. Glycoprep (I preferred picoprep, but I’m too old to have that now!)

Yuk.

kae

16 Jan 13 at 12:44 am
Lazlo – Perelman! Now we are mit gas cookink!

I have a few (not enough) bits of Perelman in my collection. His ‘The Flowery Kingdom’, about a boat voyage around China in 1949, never fails to bring a smile to my dial. Plus, Hunter S. Thompson owes him big time. Hirschfeld is clearly the model for HST’s Samoan attorney.

What a contrast to the humourless recipients of literary prizes that we have to suffer today.

johanna

16 Jan 13 at 1:10 am
Seriously, I dunno the time or date, but it’s not going to end well in the US.

This deplorable obese land blubber, the president of the Chicago teachers union no less, talks about killing thems rich people.

When Lewis appeared at the Illinois Labor History Society’s “Salute to Labor’s Historic Heroes from the History Makers of Today,” she didn’t disappoint the crowd. She threw gasoline onto the fire of class warfare, and even mentioned mob killings of wealthy Americans.

“… Do not think for a minute that the wealthy are ever going to allow you to legislate their riches away from them. Please understand that. However, we are in a moment where the wealth disparity in this country is very reminiscent of the robber baron ages. The labor leaders of that time, though, were ready to kill. They were. They were just – off with their heads. They were seriously talking about that.”

Some in the audience laughed and clapped at her remark.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 1:53 am
the president of the Chicago teachers union no less, talks about killing thems rich people.

This is why all of my nephews and nieces in the States are home-schooled.

Not the only reason, but one of them.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 2:06 am
Dog

We’ve in another universe when the head of the teachers union in a major US city openly talks about killing people of a different class to her own and she’s clapped for saying so.

And fair dinkum, has anyone ever told this gross out to go on a fucking diet and not look so appalling?

Spare no mockery nor abuse towards them. Any leftist who says they don’t support this stuff is lying.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 2:11 am
There were also some appalling incidents right in NC which re-affirmed my sisters’ choice to avoid government schools, JC.

http://tizona.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/classroom-bullying-in-north-carolina/

http://tizona.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/classroom-bullying-in-north-carolina-ii-the-superintendent-speaks/

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 2:30 am
We didn’t need your permission, you fascist cow. The freedom comes from God:

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ”freedom” under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.

Under current law, faith-based organisations, including schools and hospitals, can refuse to hire those they view as sinners if they consider it ”is necessary to avoid injury to the religious sensitivities of adherents of that religion”.

The Age reporter is as impartial as you’d expect:

Labor often claims to represent progressive values and is led by an atheist, but the government has gone out of its way to placate religious organisations on this issue.

Anti-gay rights to stay.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:33 am
Obama administration meddles in Britain’s EU membership debate…

Via Instapundit, an open letter of British response.

It really does highlight one of the most tragic and disgusting ironies of the EU: the organisation whose entire raison d’etre and actuating quasi-religious mission is to avoid a fourth Reich has itself long since become a fascist entity.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:52 am
We really are in a different paradigm when there are open calls for murder by the Left and they are increasing by the day. In their heart of beating hearts you just know they are all on board with it, particularly as not one is prepared to condemn it. Something has snapped in the last year and they do seem to think they are within striking distance of permanent totalitarian power. This is another reason why banning Leftism is not just a matter of good policy, but of personal survival.

Fisky

16 Jan 13 at 2:55 am
Detroit motor show…

Consumer to Green cars fuck off.

The Detroit Auto Show reveals Consumer are All About Luxury and Power….Poo Poo on Green

“(Reuters) – The message from automotive CEOs at the opening of this year’s Detroit auto show is deceptively simple: Sportscars are hot, electrics are not.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/15/us-autoshow-wrap-idUSBRE90E03L20130115

JC

16 Jan 13 at 2:58 am
LOl

As General Motors Corp CEO Dan Akerson unveiled a new 450-horsepower Chevrolet Corvette and Fiat SpA CEO Sergio Marchionne extolled the Italian automaker’s $130,000 Maserati Quattroporte luxury sedan, their counterpart, Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Japan’s Nissan Motor Co, announced a stunning $6,000-plus price cut on the slow-selling Nissan Leaf electric vehicle.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 2:59 am
Increasing talk of Obama being impeached for planned “executive” gun bans.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 3:00 am
God Reuters a such pansies.

Fiat-Chrysler CEO says Alfa Romeo needs a “wop engine”

Fiat-Chrysler chief executive Sergio Marchionne makes his speech during the visit of Italy’s Prime Minister Mario Monti at the Fiat car factory in the southern city of Melfi December 20, 2012.REUTERS/Ciro De Luca

(Advisory: The story contains language in the headline and paragraphs one and five that may be offensive to some readers)

(Reuters) – Fiat’s new generation of Alfa Romeo high-performance sedans will have a feature that is uniquely described by its CEO – a “wop engine.”

That is the characterization of the upcoming cars by the outspoken Sergio Marchionne, the Fiat-Chrysler boss who has dual Italian-Canadian citizenship. Marchionne spoke at the Detroit auto show on Monday.

The perennially delayed U.S. relaunch of the hotly awaited iconic racing brand has raised eyebrows and put Marchionne’s credibility on the line to execute it perfectly.

He will not start selling Alfas in the United States until the car is perfect, he said on Monday. Fiat has said some of the car’s parts will be made in United States and other parts in Italy but has not specified what will be made where.

“I cannot come up with a schlock product, I just won’t,” Marchionne told a room of journalists at the car show. “I won’t put an American engine into that car. With all due respect to my American friends, it needs to be a wop engine.”

“There are some things that are well-done in Italy.”

After reporters registered evident surprise at his use of an ethnic slur, Marchionne turned to one of them and asked, “Why are you surprised?”

JC

16 Jan 13 at 3:04 am
Increasing talk of Obama being impeached for planned “executive” gun bans.

I can only fucking hope so. That narcissistic twit needs to be forced to understand that he CANNOT govern a constitutional parliamentary* democracy by executive fiat. The fact that neither he nor his supporters seem or want to understand why he both cannot and should not do this is one of the things that scares me so much about him (and the supporters – especially the supporters).

* = I know, it’s not strictly Parliament as Westminster understands the term, but they have two houses of government for a reason.

perturbed

16 Jan 13 at 3:25 am
sfb, CL is right. The logical terminus of moral subjectivism is Nazism or its analogues. From Yobbo’s link, euthanasia began as an means of alleviating the suffering of extreme physical pain and/ or pain associated with terminal illness, and has now been extended to those neither suffering extreme physical pain nor a terminal illness. And as soon as this occurs Socialists propose to introduce an amendment that would extend euthanasia to children and Alzheimer’s sufferers. What a disgrace.

dover_beach

16 Jan 13 at 3:27 am
“The logical terminus of moral subjectivism is Nazism or its analogues.”

To the contrary, I would have thought (imagined) moral universalism leads to totalitarianism and recognition of moral subjectivity leads to humility, tolerance, and liberty.

How does one arrive at subjectivism = Nazism? Or is this just a throw away line intended to stir up SFB?

(Seriously, not trying to antagonise.)

Trent

16 Jan 13 at 4:14 am
The logical terminus of moral subjectivism

Who does embrace moral objectivism? Is that even possible? Christians have varying positions on all sorts of moral issues and argue endlessly about it, as do other religious groups. They make claim to some objective frame of reference but can’t agree on what that frame demands. So then they start attacking one another as not being true to the faith. That’s subjective. The Holy Spirit clearly has a very incoherent small quiet voice.

If want to save a literal fortune in health care costs then allow euthanasia for terminal cases. End of life medical costs can easily outweigh a lifetime of medical costs. This will keep increasing because as a recent study claimed we are living longer and with that longevity comes more medical costs, if only because it is modern medicine keeping us alive so long. But end of life care is incredibly expensive. We spend a fortune to squeeze a few more weeks or months of life out of a broken body and mind. If those people want out then let them out. Why are people denied the right to determine how they die, in agony or in peace, the choice is theirs.

John H.

16 Jan 13 at 4:23 am
If you want to shoot yourself in the head, go for it. Seriously – shoot yourself, starve yourself, put your head in an oven, refuse medical treatment, have a legal advanced directive specifying no heroics, sign a DNR… whatever. All those options are open to you today. They’re open to just about anyone who fears becoming “a drain on society” in the future.

But whenever the elites start toying with the idea of murdering people to save the health care budget, it’s usually other people they plan on seeing murdered “for the good of society”, not themselves.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 4:56 am
Gallup: Gun control way down the list of concerns for Americans

They are the 4%.

Obama to Announce Executive-Order Gun Control Measures Tomorrow

But still no budget.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 6:02 am
Newt Gingrich asks the question that the media should have asked all along. If gun control is the path to public safety, then Chicago should be the safest city in the nation … right?

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 6:09 am
THE NBN Co has been accused of focusing on short-term political goals after one of its most experienced and highly regarded executives was made redundant in a business restructure late last week.

The NBN mob, apart from using dodgy, mostly meaningless terminology like “commenced or completed”, seem to have difficulty retaining coonstruction chiefs. You know, the sort of guy who likes to get stuff done rather than play politics.
Could have something to do with their latest statement on exceeding their goals.
Once again, the media allow all of the bs associated with this giant turkey to go through without question, and are happy to list it as an achievement along with saving us from the GFC and bringing the budget to surplus … oh, wait …

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 6:44 am
Janet A gives the Greens a serve, but is a bit generous to Brown:

Brown was a consummate politician. Love him or loathe him, the former Greens leader, a master at hiding the Greens’ more radical agenda, took his fringe party to new electoral heights.

Brown would have been exposed and discomforted a lot more often if it had not been for the “on their knees” treatment given to him by so many complicit media.
There can be no properly functioning democracy while we have media shills running so much of the agendum, giving so many free passes to the left/greens, and attacking the conservatives at every turn.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 6:54 am
Danby in the Oz waffles on about Iran’s nuclear program, but still doesn’t know if the international sanctions are working, or if not, what to do next.
Thanks for that.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 6:58 am
Peter Martin, whose efforts on that “IMF Report” gained some notoriety recently, spends most of a rambling article on a deep conspiracy theory abut da nasty retailers. Gittins is away, so he was deemed a worthy fill-in.
Only at the very end do we see what the hell he’s driving at. He’s worried, not that the NBN is an overpriced turkey that’s struggling to be born at all, but that there might be tiered pricing.
Now I know that here are folks right here who share this disdain for retailers. In some cases it might be justified, but I might as well say to them show me any wealthy person and I’ll show you someone who has overcharged for something. Obviously they could have charged or sold for less.
But to spend a whole article banging on about this sort of rubbish:

At home, there’s always the risk we’ll see through the ruse of someone selling the same product for two prices. So retailers will often roughen the product up, perhaps punching and bruising half the lettuces so they are genuinely worse than the other half. In the US white goods retailers are said to take hammers to some of their fridges so they can sell them as ”shop soiled”.

When he really should be getting stuck into the missing cost/benefit analysis side, is just typical of where quality journalism is at.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 7:14 am
Link

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 7:15 am
Strop, he’s just a typical product of the Green media-political complex: Never had a real job outside of the sheltered workshop that currently employs him, a mirror image of the government that ShakeMyHead.com devotes its existence to boosting, excusing, protecting, grovelling to and, soon, begging to for a bailout. The only hope for the company is if new owners cut out the political activist cancer by sacking the entire editorial staff.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 7:35 am
One of our biggest environmental problems is overpopulation. Perhaps one way to reduce our carbon footprint as a community would be to encourage post-partition abortions for women with too many children.

There would need to be a panel of medical and environment experts to oversee this, as women don’t necessarily like being told to abort their children. They can be consumed with feelings of motherhood, and while it’s good they love their children, if we don’t have an environment then they won’t survive anyway.

Regarding when a child could be aborted, I suggest in line with Dr. Singer’s rationale that up to two or three years after birth would be acceptable. That way, you could ensure that those surviving children would be those best able to withstand the rigours of our ever-extreme climate changes.

Post-partition children could also be one response to the ever-growing demand for organ transplants, so this proposal has many positive aspects.

Thank you for letting me add my ideas.

My submission to the Greens fishing for policies.

nilk

16 Jan 13 at 7:42 am
Brilliant nilk.

They’ll be scratching their heads as to whether it is a genuine submission, because it is ‘so logical’, or not !

Myrddin Seren

16 Jan 13 at 7:56 am
The child abuse royal commission is a time-bomb that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars — billions if Labor is re-elected:

JULIA Gillard’s royal commission into child sex abuse is bracing for an avalanche of claims from tens of thousands of victims and a potential compensation bill that could exceed hundreds of millions of dollars.

Three much narrower inquiries into child abuse at state institutions in Queensland, Western Australia and Tasmania have provided for payouts of $269 million to about 14,000 claimants over the past decade, an average of just over $19,000 each.

Lawyers and victims groups say the national inquiry is much broader in scope as it covers churches and other organisations. They say any compensation scheme recommended by the commission could be swamped with claims.

The six commissioners, who will meet today in Sydney for the first time, are guided by the terms of reference, which state the inquiry “has to ensure justice for victims through the provision of redress by institutions”.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 8:06 am
Wow. Did you really do that, Nilk? Inspirational.

You completely capture their earnest lunatic tone.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

16 Jan 13 at 8:07 am
Oh, Nilk! You evil genius, you!

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 8:11 am
The Canberra rabble will have to try harder to stop the public finding out what their communist wing is up to, in spite of the single-minded protection of the Greens by the highly professional and apolitical staff at Treasury:

TREASURY could be forced to reveal its secret cost estimates for Greens proposals as the Freedom of Information Commissioner counters the department’s claim that the documents are subject to cabinet confidentiality.

The commissioner, James Popple, has questioned claims that the documents should be withheld from the public, telling the department he wants to see the costings so he can test its assurances.

The decision is a win for Liberal MP Jamie Briggs in his attempt to uncover the cost estimates after 10 months of wrangling with Treasury over Freedom of Information laws.

While Treasury claimed the documents were exempt from release because they involved cabinet deliberations, the commissioner was not satisfied the law had been correctly applied with some of the documents. “As a result, we have asked Treasury to provide copies of these exempt documents and the FOI Commissioner will consider them for himself,” Mr Briggs was told by the commissioner’s staff on Monday.

In a key test for the disclosure of future Treasury analysis, Mr Briggs has asked for copies of the cost estimates the Greens have sought from the department since the last election.

Greens leader Christine Milne insisted yesterday the party was releasing its policy costings and she challenged the Coalition to do the same, while the government said it was up to the department — not ministers — to interpret the FOI law.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 8:24 am
if we don’t have an environment then they won’t survive anyway.

As Puppy Boy says, evil genius, Nilk. And, if they don’t listen, there’s a job for you as a comedy writer.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 8:28 am
If want to save a literal fortune in health care costs then allow euthanasia for terminal cases. End of life medical costs can easily outweigh a lifetime of medical costs. This will keep increasing because as a recent study claimed we are living longer and with that longevity comes more medical costs, if only because it is modern medicine keeping us alive so long.

The logic of your argument is strong in a number of ways. Unfortunately once to door is open the premise for euthanasia expands to areas most reasonable people would not expect, as DB notes:

From Yobbo’s link, euthanasia began as an means of alleviating the suffering of extreme physical pain and/ or pain associated with terminal illness, and has now been extended to those neither suffering extreme physical pain nor a terminal illness.

This is the mother of all slippery slopes. Once something is a statute, criminal minds go to work to use it.

How long before we get people who have their consent form forged, etc?

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:29 am
Consumer to Green cars fuck off.

By numbers, the consumers have already clearly explained the car they want — a Toyota Corolla.

It’s a small car with a small engine so it is “green” enough but most importantly, it is good value, still reliable after 10 years of everyday use (if you service it), gets you there and back.

If you look down the list of best selling cars, they are mostly small cars, largely indistinguishable from the Corolla except for details. The only exceptions would be the Ford F-Series Utility (because its a workhorse) and the Chevrolet Impala (because they managed to capture that “sports coupe” market years ago and have hung in there until they became an established icon).

Tel

16 Jan 13 at 8:32 am
My submission to the Greens fishing for policies.

That is so reflective of Greens values that if Tim Blair posted it as a faux press release most people would think it is the real deal.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:32 am
The Age reports that ~~Jesus Mandela~~Johnathan Moylan only caused actual losses of around $450k. No wonder Fairfax is dying in the arse…

Skuter

16 Jan 13 at 8:37 am
The child abuse royal commission is a time-bomb that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars — billions if Labor is re-elected

Really Tom? Think back to Vic in the early 90′s when Gillard’s mentor Kirner & the ALP stole a similar election by lying their arses off.

From that experience it is clear Labor will set a narrow terms of reference to screw over the victims (the Heiner Affair is a good example)

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:39 am
Jonathan Swift beat everyone to it, I believe, with his (darkly satirical) Modest Proposal (1729): which reads in part:

… many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supply’d by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age, nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service: And these to be disposed of by their parents if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend, and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our school-boys, by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable, and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission, be a loss to the publick, because they soon would become breeders themselves: And besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice, (although indeed very unjustly) as a little bordering upon cruelty, which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, how well soever intended.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 8:39 am
Where’s Bunyip? He needs to be writing some submissions for the Greens’ suggestion box as well!

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 8:44 am
As Blogstrop mentioned earlier, Janet Albrechtson is brilliant today on “it’s different when they do it”:

Just imagine the reaction had a neatly dressed white-collar stockbroker who showers daily and works from his swish CBD office committed a similar scam. The Greens would demand the stockbroker’s neatly combed head. But when a scruffy, long-haired eco-warrior carries out the same fraud, it’s cute idealism at work.

Alas, it makes sense that the Greens leader would condone Moylan’s actions. He is the epitome of fraudulent Green politics where so-called idealists use feel-good platitudes about ecological sustainability to disguise a deep loathing of modernity, capitalism and the free markets.

These people are not harmless idealists. They are not even genuine environmentalists. They are dangerous ideologues driven not by reason or intellectual debate, but by zealotry.

If your moral code is askew, it must be fun being Green. It means never having to say you’re sorry no matter how destructive the outcome of your actions. Moylan’s view of capitalism – “my main concern is not for the people who won’t be able to buy their next Rolls Royce” – reflects the Greens’ warped view. Quite apart from being a snub to those Green-voting doctors’ wives who travel in these Rolls Royces, it is an insult to the mum and dad investors who lost money thanks to Moylan. Most importantly, it ignores the fact that free markets, not Green policies, have lifted billions of people out of poverty. Being Green means never having to think rationally about such issues.

In short, being Green means decoupling responsibility from power. This is what happens when better dressed, but equally reckless adult versions of Moylan reach Canberra.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 8:46 am
It’s a small car with a small engine so it is “green” enough but most importantly, it is good value, still reliable after 10 years of everyday use (if you service it), gets you there and back.

Tel, that analysis is made without the required hatred of the market. Stop with all the logic and common sense stuff.

As if consumers would actually know what they are talking about.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:47 am
That riot in Qld yesterday is interesting as we are seeing one of the ALP’s client ethnic groups warring with another over the spoils of givernment.

They really should’ve claimed to be bullied as that seems to be the buzz word of all victims at the moment…

THE warring Aboriginal and Pacific Islander families of Douglas Street, Woodridge, have again demonstrated the failure of the nation’s insane multicultural policy.

Instead of identifying as Australian, the combatants are resorting to the symbols of their race.

In the case of the Aboriginals, the flag Cathy Freeman made momentarily famous, is being given a thorough workout.

The Islanders say they are being discriminated against as foreigners in the education system, among other gripes.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:49 am
Piers & Cut and Paste were not slow in recognising this seems to be happening almost a year after one of the saddest events in Aus history:

As Australia Day approaches, with its reminder of the racial disharmony promoted from within the Prime Minister’s office last year, the ugly reality of this failed policy is yet again on display.

Cut & Paste catches out the hypocricy of that man Wong and the dancing spaz.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 8:51 am
Record-breaking heat is, by definition, weather not experienced for as long as records have been kept.

See? Even Flanners agrees. CO2-induced record-breaking heat is a different type of hot, not the type of natural hot we are all used to, the point being that it’s man-made and new and unprecedented and so it’s not the normal kind of hot.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 8:52 am
Hi [nilk],

Thankyou for sending a submission to the Extreme Weather Inquiry.

Having seen more examples this summer of the kind of threats to our lives, homes and livelihoods that climate change will bring, Australia needs to be prepared for what’s coming, as well as pull out all stops to cut the pollution that is driving global warming.

If you have time to do more, please consider writing a letter to the editor of your newspaper of choice about your concerns. You can do so from our website at http://greensmps.org.au/content/write-letter-editor

Thanks for all you’ve done,

Christine

I posted it under my real name with my real contact number.

Even got a reply from Christine Milne lol.

nilk

16 Jan 13 at 8:52 am
Having seen more examples this summer of the kind of threats to our lives, homes and livelihoods that ~~climate change~~ marxist greenfilth will bring…

FFS, they are an absolute disgrace.

Rabz

16 Jan 13 at 8:58 am
Even got a reply from Christine Milne lol.

Bless your little ~~white~~ green cotton socks, Nilk. Hahaha.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 9:00 am
Question posedL Wouldn’t you like to show your support for lefty causes by proudly displaying a Gun Free Zone sign on your front lawn?

Seems that people who are anti-guns are not so keen on advertising the fact.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 9:00 am
Get rid of the bush. Problem solved.

You never hear of fires rampaging cross golf courses, race tracks or housing developments.

Australia is like a 1970′s porno – far too much bush.

Infidel Tiger

15 Jan 13 at 8:03 pm

Yep. This ebay fail solved the bush problem.

IT responsible for yet more spilt coffee and sore ribs.

Rudiau

16 Jan 13 at 9:03 am
Keynesian economics

IF LOVE AMERICA, YOU THROW MONEY IN IT’S HOLE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnX-D4kkPOQ

.

16 Jan 13 at 9:06 am
How dare anybody think that the ABC is a denizen of left wing idealogues.
Obviously not left wing enough for outgoing Director of Editorial Policies Paul Chadwick who is heading off to be the non executive director of The Guardians new Australian digital start up.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

16 Jan 13 at 9:17 am
My submission to the Greens fishing for policies.

You know, nilk, I read that, and it was so bloody believable that it was only at the end that I realised it was a piss-take.

Well done!

Greg James

16 Jan 13 at 9:17 am
But whenever the elites start toying with the idea of murdering people to save the health care budget, it’s usually other people they plan on seeing murdered “for the good of society”, not themselves.

Too late….

Almost half of dying patients placed on the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway are never told that life-saving treatment has been withdrawn, a national audit has found.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 9:22 am
Man bites dog. meh.
Dog bites man. WTF.

This is not Berlin circa 1936. It is Jerusalem only a few days ago.

Not a mention of it of course in any media. Instead the papers are full of smug self satisfied and offensively dishonest accounts of a pack of “Palestinian” squatters, backed up by foreign antizionist activists, who have staged a stunt with tents in E1. One of the worst, and certainly the most dishonest, is John Lyons’ report in this morning’s Australian.

Rudiau

16 Jan 13 at 9:34 am
Almost half of dying patients placed on the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway are never told that life-saving treatment has been withdrawn, a national audit has found.

What civilised society would force the bureaucrats that decide which people live & which will die would force such “progressive professionals” to see the faces of the people they have condemned?

Token

16 Jan 13 at 9:35 am
Token, they sound like Palin’s much ridiculed death panels run the show in Liverpool according to the bottom line – or budgetary concerns. It is interesting that most public health advocates tell us this is why we need to avoid private health care.

John Comnenus

16 Jan 13 at 9:39 am
The “regions” generate 95% of all economic activity in Western Australia. There aren’t many Iron Ore mines or Wheat farms in City Beach. Yet, before Brendan Grylls, the regional areas of WA had their arse hanging out to even get roads sealed.

More states. Or more power to local Government (subsidarity) would end that.

John H: Objectivists would argue they have an objective morality.

JC: Did Mazda make the Mazda 6 in the hatchback after all?

.

16 Jan 13 at 9:42 am
It is interesting that most public health advocates tell us this is why we need to avoid private health care.

Isn’t this the logical conclusion that such “advocates” state that comes for heartless corporations?

In my free time I’m watching Milton Friedman’s Free to Choose TV series made around 1980 on Youtube, and so many of the stories we discuss today are discussed by Milt in the series.

I thought the From Cradle to Grave episode sadly aligns with so many of the discussions we are having (plus you get to see a younger Thomas Sowell in full flight).

Token

16 Jan 13 at 9:44 am
From elsewhere via JC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBbLeqZbPA

Mark Levin has audio of US Senator for California, Dianne Feinstein “guns for me, none for thee”.

Gun control is bullshit, it is an agenda to humiliate the conservative, non urban elements of politics.

Feinstein is the poster girl for gun control…and she also concedes to being trained in firearms use and having a concealed weapon. She believes in self defence – if she is attacked.

.

16 Jan 13 at 9:52 am
Gun control is bullshit, it is an agenda to humiliate the conservative, non urban elements of politics.

Depends what you mean by “gun control”.
The proposals mooted in the USA (registration of all gun sales, effective ID checks, efforts to keep high powered weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, and the banning of assault weapons and high capacity magazines) would humiliate nobody.
In fact, if this is “humiliation”, most western countries (including Australia) are humiliating their citizens.
You really need to think about how loopy your statement is.

juanluissegundo

16 Jan 13 at 10:02 am
Welfare is the economic underpinning of the regular abuse of children.

Read it in The Age – believe it or not.

Sleetmute

16 Jan 13 at 10:03 am
Gun control certainly has helped keep the death toll down from use of guns in homicides in Mexico …. Only 37,000 killed, right Juanita.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:07 am
The proposals mooted in the USA (registration of all gun sales, effective ID checks, efforts to keep high powered weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, and the banning of assault weapons and high capacity magazines)

Most of these already exist.

Stop lying.

You really need to think about how loopy your statement is.

No cock, go fuck yourself.

Cadets rode the train to school in the 1950s. A cadet rifle had no safety. The 1950s in Australia were peaceful, low crime and had no mass killings.

Feinstein thinks SHE ought to have an “assault rifle” or concealed firearms or high capacity magazines.

High capacity magazines are a red herring as an issue.

The reason why the left dislike guns is because they are emasculated inner city clueless fops who’ve never had a real job. They are not interested in protecting their family (ala Bob Carr, what family) or like Feinstein they simply are hypocrites or rely on their own security detail goons.

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16 Jan 13 at 10:12 am
@JaCinta
Some relevant statistics –

In 2003, there were 30,136 firearm-related deaths in the United States; 16,907 (56%) suicides, 11,920 (40%) homicides (including 347 deaths due to legal intervention/war), and 962 (3%) undetermined/unintentional firearm deaths.

CDC/National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports 1999-2003 http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars

The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the world.

Kellermann AL and Waeckerle JF. Preventing Firearm Injuries. Ann Emerg Med July 1998; 32:77-79.

The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 1997;46:101-105.

The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Rates of homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among children: 26 industrialized countries.
MMWR. 1997;46:101-105.

Krug EG, Dahlberg LL, Powell KE. Childhood homicide, suicide, and firearm deaths: an international comparison. World Health Stat Q. 1996;49:230-235.

juanluissegundo

16 Jan 13 at 10:14 am
Gun control is bullshit, it is an agenda to humiliate the conservative, non urban elements of politics.

It is all about the process of exploiting the deaths of children so the left can position their political opponents as “extreme” and out of touch.

People saying the will defend their guns to the end are falling for that trick as the polls indicate most Americans do not see tighter gun laws as important.

Gallup: Gun control way down the list of concerns for Americans

They are the 4%.

The real purpose of this game is to crowd out any details about how the Obama admin & DNC run Senate has not passed a budget for 3 years or proposed cuts to spending.

It was guns, guns, guns during the Fiscal Cliff talks, and it will be similar distractions during the 3 coming confrontations about the fiscal problems in the US due in Feb & Mar.

Its all crass exploitation of the deaths of children.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 10:16 am
Gallup: Gun control way down the list of concerns for Americans

They are the 4%.

Well, no –

More than half of Americans — 52 percent in the poll — say the shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has made them more supportive of gun control; just 5 percent say they are now less apt to back tighter restrictions. Most also are at least somewhat worried about a mass shooting in their own community, with concern jumping to 65 percent among those with school-age children at home.

juanluissegundo

16 Jan 13 at 10:19 am
Pickering visualises 2013 Election outcome!!!!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=449478981772932&set=a.237011506353015.72838.236991276355038&type=1&theater

If people aren’t careful with their voter, it may well be true

Mike of Marion

16 Jan 13 at 10:20 am
Gun control just changes the method of suicide. It is basically an irrelevant statistic.

The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.

11,920 (40%) homicide

Most of this is due to the insane war on drugs.

The amount of homicides, second degree and first degree (for various reasons), serial killers and mass shootings due to the actions of an otherwise law abiding gun owner, and that would be prevented by more gun control, are negligible, less likely than a random individual being struck by lightning and hit by a car, and are effectively zero.

Gun ownership is good. A feel good story to finish off the discussion:

http://www.concealedcarrysaveslives.com/2011/05/woman-shoots-kills-would-be-rapist-with-22/

Woman shoots & kills would-be rapist with .22

Even a .22 can do the job. This 53 year old school counselor would have been at the mercy of a man that wanted to rape – and possibly kill – her, had she not been armed and prepared to protect herself.

The woman was getting out of the shower when she was met by a strange man with a kitchen knife, police said. They said there was a struggle in the bathroom, and she fell in the tub. Police later identified the man as Israel Perez Puentes, a Cuban national who lived in Alpharetta.
…
The woman tried to fight the man off with a shower a rod, and he forced her into her bedroom, police said. They said she told her attacker she had money in the room. But she grabbed a .22-caliber handgun and shot the man nine times, police said.
Police said the man ran out of a back door and collapsed in the yard. He later died at the Gwinnett Medical Center.

Juan would have preferred if she got raped, phoned the police and waited for assistance.

.

16 Jan 13 at 10:20 am
The real purpose of this game is to crowd out any details about how the Obama admin & DNC run Senate has not passed a budget for 3 years or proposed cuts to spending.

It was guns, guns, guns during the Fiscal Cliff talks, and it will be similar distractions during the 3 coming confrontations about the fiscal problems in the US due in Feb & Mar.

Probably true. Like in Australia, “misogyny” is an issue the head of the Federal Government has little control over. It is not brought up in Parliament often enough how poorly Gillard has managed the Government or its finances.

.

16 Jan 13 at 10:22 am
In 2003, there were…

Why are you using figures from a decade ago, you paste-eating chucklehead?

According to the FBI, in 2011, there were a total of 8,583 firearm homicides in the U.S. That may well be 8,583 gun murders too many, but it’s also 3,337 fewer than the 2003 figure of 11,920 you decided to cut & paste.

By the way, that horrible year with the 3,337 more gun deaths that you prefer to use over more current figures?

Yeah, that was when the “assault weapon” ban was still in effect. Go figure, hey?

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 10:25 am
Well, no –

There’s also a majority that support capital punishment for heinous crimes. Should we push for hanging the worst offenders? I says follow the majority’s opinion, Juanita. How about you.

52% is basically 50/50. No surprise there.

Junaita, you un-analyitical tool. 52% in a poll of this nature doesn’t show any great move towards more gun control. In fact it’s a warning to those lawmakers who peddle this swill that even at heightened awareness and concern they can barely eek out 50%.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:27 am
I see there is a substantial (well, more substantial given that one might expect that it couldn’t possibly exist) “Sandy Hook Truther” movement in the US. The Aurora cinema shoot up involved government agents too, apparently.

Wasn’t I saying something about the level of paranoia in the US last week?

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 10:28 am
Why are you using figures from a decade ago, you paste-eating chucklehead?

Is he?

Juanita, you lying douchebag. Get outta here.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:28 am
Another feel good story and why gun control is oppressive and lawless:

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/tulsa-woman-shoots-two-would-be-rapists-in-their-heads/

Tulsa Woman Shoots Two Would-Be Rapists—in their Heads!
Wow! Nice shootin’:

TULSA, Okla. (UPI) — A woman shot two intruders breaking into her Tulsa, Okla., home killing one and critically wounding another, police officials say.

Thursday’s alleged home invasion — in which the woman shot Darreon Carter, 18, and Daniel Holman, 23 — was Tulsa’s second such incident in as many days, the Tulsa World reported Friday.

Police Capt. Travis Yates said the woman — whose name was not reported — was walking back to her Brighton Park apartment about 3:50 a.m. after going to a fast-food restaurant when Carter and Holman allegedly forced their way inside, demanding money.

The woman cooperated until one alleged intruder told her to undress, when she pulled a revolver from her purse and shot him, the newspaper said.

“We believe that this was totally an opportunity crime,” Yates said. “Somebody saw a woman walking up to an apartment, and they decided to commit a crime, and here we are.”

Carter and Holman — who were both shot in the head — were found by police in the apartment’s entryway and taken to St. Francis Hospital, where Carter died. Holman was in critical condition with bullet wounds to his head and stomach, the World reported.

In NSW, she would have had to unlocked her ammunition, unlocked her gun safe, in two separate rooms and then loaded her revolver.

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16 Jan 13 at 10:29 am
Stepping off the guns debate for a minute if I may….

David Goldman at PJ Media made the following assertion in a bigger piece:

The grandfather of supply-side economics, Nobel laureate Robert Mundell, first explained that demographics caused all the great current account imbalances in history, in an 1989 journal article. No-one else seems to have read Mundell’s work, let alone absorbed its implications — surely not the Weekly Standard. We Republicans don’t like to think that a great deal of what we mistook for American economic dynamism since the mid-1990s was in fact a bubble fueled by $6 trillion in foreign capital inflows between 1998 and 2007.

Simply because I lean towards ‘demographics is destiny’, I was intrigued by the comment.

I wonder if any of The Cat economics cognoscenti have a view on Prof Mundell’s view ?

Myrrdin Seren

16 Jan 13 at 10:29 am
Gals – get a nice gun, not a shitty old revolver. You’re not going to hit people with it.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g29sf

http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/10mm-Auto-135gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD10135-20/100/Product

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16 Jan 13 at 10:30 am
Wasn’t I saying something about the level of paranoia in the US last week?

You oughta look closer to home, for paranoria fuckhead. We have the government programer, the soon to be broke leftwing media arm of the Greenslime and the slime themselves suggesting that the Australian summer is evidence global warming. Who knew the earth revolves around the sun.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:31 am
My comment:

Gallup: Gun control way down the list of concerns for Americans

They are the 4%

Generic left says no and then addresses a completely different topic:

Well, no

…say the shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has made them more supportive of gun control…

You can bet they are also supportive of world peace, though their president has just authorised the French to bomb people in Somalia and killed people via drone strikes.

Important part of the link that addresses the premise of my post…

While the poll showed cross-party support for some potential policies, there was a sharp divide on others, and particularly over how much emphasis the administration and Congress should place on addressing gun issues.

Democrats and Republicans both see the economy as the clear top priority for federal action, but while most Democrats also rank gun control as a high priority, few Republicans or independents agree. Most Republicans say stricter gun laws should be lower on the list or not a priority at all.

68% of repondents to that survey said addressing the economy is #1 priority for Obama & Congress.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 10:32 am
Wasn’t I saying something about the level of paranoia in the US last week?

You oughta look closer to home, for paranoia fuckhead. We have the government programer, the soon to be broke leftwing media arm of the Greenslime and the slime themselves suggesting that the Australian summer is evidence global warming. Who knew the earth revolves around the sun.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:32 am
The grandfather of supply-side economics, Nobel laureate Robert Mundell, first explained that demographics caused all the great current account imbalances in history, in an 1989 journal article. No-one else seems to have read Mundell’s work, let alone absorbed its implications — surely not the Weekly Standard. We Republicans don’t like to think that a great deal of what we mistook for American economic dynamism since the mid-1990s was in fact a bubble fueled by $6 trillion in foreign capital inflows between 1998 and 2007.

Simply because I lean towards ‘demographics is destiny’, I was intrigued by the comment.

I wonder if any of The Cat economics cognoscenti have a view on Prof Mundell’s view ?

Backed up by the Daily Reckoning aligned authors, Bonner and Wiggin.

http://www.amazon.com/Financial-Reckoning-Day-Surviving-Depression/dp/0471449733

I think it is a valid argument and it gets a lot of the causation, and although is robust, isn’t complete.

It also hints that a recession now when Australia and America are really starting to feel the changes from an ageing population is a really bad idea.

We should do what we can to avoid Government debt and make workers productive. The left just don’t get the demographics and seriously think it can be countered with pump priming. Japan shows that is is wrong.

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16 Jan 13 at 10:34 am
Actually I’m not buying the demographics argument at all really for the simple reason that most people, though I appreciate not all, are able to work to the age of 70 without much problem.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:38 am
The woman cooperated until one alleged intruder told her to undress, when she pulled a revolver from her purse and shot him

The stupid Left morons would much prefer that she got raped rather than legally own a gun to defend herself.

How dare she own a gun! they bleat. Yes, 100% of rapists would agree.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 10:39 am
Err, JC, what you are trying to say is that you think some Greenies just don’t know how to weigh evidence.

For paranoia: that belongs to the conspiracy theory proudly flagged at this blog nearly every day that Bureaus of Meteorology around the world are involved in deliberately manipulating historical temperature records so to show global warming. (And no insider who has been involved in this enterprise has ever come out and blown the lid on the whole underhand scheme because they are too scared to do so/would lose their job/ make too much money, etc.)

Now that’s paranoia.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 10:39 am
JC

They’re not going to though. As long as they can draw down a sufficient income, people retire when as soon as their paternalistic, parasitical Government grubs allow them to.

All we know so far is that savings increase and they buy higher quality consumer items.

These are saving graces.

.

16 Jan 13 at 10:40 am
I do however recognize that demographics is problematic in a socialist sewer like Europe where the serious economic slowdown has created up to 40% youth unemployment in some regions. How the hell you anchor a generous welfare state with those sorts of stats has me beat.

But of course the leftwing have that one covered

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:41 am
For paranoia: that belongs to the conspiracy theory proudly flagged at this blog nearly every day that Bureaus of Meteorology around the world are involved in deliberately manipulating historical temperature records so to show global warming.

They are.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/threat-of-anao-audit-means-australias-bom-throws-out-temperature-set-starts-again-gets-same-results/

A team of independent auditors, bloggers and scientists went through the the BOM “High Quality” (HQ) dataset and found significant errors, omissions and inexplicable adjustments. The team and Senator Cory Bernardi put in a Parliamentary request to get our Australian National Audit Office to reassess the BOM records. In response, the BOM, clearly afraid of getting audited, and still not providing all the data, code and explanations that were needed, decided to toss out the old so called High Quality (HQ) record, and start again. The old HQ increased the trends by 40% nationally, and 70% in the cities.

So goodbye “HQ”, hello “ACORN”. End result? Much the same.

You small minded, pettifogging idiot, Steve.

.

16 Jan 13 at 10:42 am
Err, JC, what you are trying to say is that you think some Greenies just don’t know how to weigh evidence.

Dickhead.

I’m saying that in most cases the Greenleft will not understand evidence and if it’s contrary to their disgusting ideology will simply lie and make up bullshit propaganda.

But on the whole, yes. I would not expect say Tubbsie Milne, the titular head of the Slime to even primary school science as she strikes me as not being very bright.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:48 am
understand…

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:49 am
…For paranoia: that belongs to the conspiracy theory proudly flagged at this blog nearly every day that Bureaus of Meteorology around the world are involved in deliberately manipulating historical temperature…

What hyperbowl.

No one is suggesting the automated weather stations that record the data are manipulating data. That is your paranoid fantasy SoB.

It is the people who interpreting the data in a selective way that we challenge.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 10:50 am
Why are you using figures from a decade ago, you paste-eating chucklehead?

I don’t engage with individuals who abuse – best ignored.
If you want me to respond, apologise, and then I’ll introduce a set of stats which definitively link rates of gun ownership with gun homicides.
Having said that, the stats are hardly necessary – common sense would suffice.
The gun nuts respond in the usual manner, with abuse, threats and anecdotes.
It’s elegantly revealing of the mindset of those who worship killing machines.

juanluissegundo

16 Jan 13 at 10:53 am
For paranoia: that belongs to the conspiracy theory proudly flagged at this blog nearly every day that Bureaus of Meteorology around the world are involved in deliberately manipulating historical temperature records so to show global warming.

Douchebag

That toilet, The UK BOM, did a press dump late on Xmas eve so as to play down the fact they don’t expect any warming for 20 years.

We have more than enough evidence that Phil Jones and his crew of pirates deserve to be behind bars for what he/they did.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 10:53 am
This blog is excruciatingly childish in casting the debate as “if you are for gun control, you want defenceless people to be raped.”

In the US context in particular, there has (as far as I know) been no suggestion at all from any politician to prohibit ownership of self defence handguns (provided they do not come with large capacity magazines). They know the Second Amendment prevents that. Yet case after case* of a person defending themselves with a handgun is being cited as being relevant. The generic right to own a handgun in the US is not under threat and never has been since Sandy Hook, so you can stop talking about them.

* which is not to infer that I think that societies are better off with large numbers of handguns in circulation. For obvious reasons, gun lovers do not care to talk about the number of accidental shootings, suicides and deliberate shootings which legally owned handguns are involved in as a counterweight to the cases of successful defence.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 10:55 am
Machine Programmes Human

A BELGIAN woman drove for nearly 1500 kilometres through six countries before realising her car navigation system had “gone wrong”

Okay, okay – she’s probably just going dotty, this time.

But I keep telling you, this was only going to end up one way, once they started teaching computers to play Civilization !!

Myrrdin Seren

16 Jan 13 at 10:57 am
dot, you believe JoNova is some kind of objective player in the matter.

She isn’t.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 10:59 am
The gun nuts respond in the usual manner, with abuse, threats and anecdotes.

What threats? What abuse? Anecdotes? – oh you me3an real events reported? You too would agree with 100% of rapists who would not want women to be able to defend themselves. Typical of the Left.

<blockquote
It’s elegantly revealing of the mindset of those who worship killing machines.

It’s revealing how the loopy greens use emotive language to argue a point. Reason and logic being beyond their ken.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 10:59 am
I don’t engage with individuals who abuse – best ignored.

You just did, you idiot. Anyways, if you choose not to respond, no problem. We’re not looking for any debate here. We will respond to lies and stupidity though.

If you want me to respond, apologise, and then I’ll introduce a set of stats which definitively link rates of gun ownership with gun homicides.

Fuck off. You were accused by Dog of using 2003 stats and you need to apologize to the readership for your dishonesty or face the consequences, you lying oaf.

Having said that, the stats are hardly necessary – common sense would suffice.

Common sense? You don’t exhibit any. And since when has common sense acted as a substitute for good analysis, you inkblot.

The gun nuts respond in the usual manner, with abuse, threats and anecdotes.

Dickhead, are you even self aware, or does someone have to slap you in the face every 5 minutes. In the same sentence you’re calling out abuse etc, you refer to people as gun nuts.

It’s elegantly revealing of the mindset of those who worship killing machines.

Dude, you come from a place that for 400 years kept it’s people under lock and key and fucked them over. Don’t preach to us about human value you douchebag.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
This blog is excruciatingly childish in casting the debate as “if you are for gun control, you want defenceless people to be raped.”

It’s called projection, Steve.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
This blog is excruciatingly childish

Then why don’t you do us all a big favour and fuck off.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
If you want me to respond, apologise, and then I’ll introduce a set of stats which definitively link rates of gun ownership with gun homicides.

No you won’t, because such data doesn’t exist.

It’s elegantly revealing of the mindset of those who worship killing machines.

I’m glad you admit you’re pro rape.

.

16 Jan 13 at 11:02 am
dot, you believe JoNova is some kind of objective player in the matter.

She isn’t.

HINT

Nor are you, champ.

.

16 Jan 13 at 11:03 am
This blog is excruciatingly childish in casting the debate as “if you are for gun control, you want defenceless people to be raped.”

It’s called projection, Steve.

So I want to rape people because I think women should have a right to self defence against rapists?

This is dishonest, spuriously pseudo-scientific, libellous crap.

.

16 Jan 13 at 11:05 am
dot, you believe JoNova is some kind of objective player in the matter.

She isn’t.

Right. We believe, Doc Pach, railway engineer, soft porn author and voluptuous breasts aficionado “is an objective player in the matter”.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:05 am
We’re not looking for any debate here

The truth revealed.

Dude, you come from a place that for 400 years kept it’s people under lock and key and fucked them over

And you come from a place which wiped out a whole race of people. That was about 200 years ago.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:06 am
Spuds

You and other like you have absolutely nothing to offer in our discussions. You simply are seen and treated as a troll.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:07 am
Dude, you come from a place

I am not, and never have been a “dude”.
Too many Ninja Turtles replays….

juanluissegundo

16 Jan 13 at 11:08 am
And you come from a place which wiped out a whole race of people. That was about 200 years ago.

Nope. Not true.

In any event, you ought to talk to Junaita about killing off the indig. Ask him about what happened in Sth America.

Spuds, don’t bring up Vietnam today please.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:09 am
I am not, and never have been a “dude”.

I agree. You’re an asshat and not a dude.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:10 am
So I want to rape people because I think women should have a right to self defence against rapists?

That’s exactly what you’ve accussed gun control advocates of – you can’t have it both ways.
Anything’s possible of course – this is Catallaxy…

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:10 am
Numbers

You ascribed a town 100 km out of a major QLD city and basically on the beach only a few years ago as “the deep bush”.

This is like a NSWelshman calling Bega “the deep outback”.

You are seriously full of shit.

But’s that’s where you come from.

JC’s ancestors didn’t do that, the (colonial) Government did. His ancestors crucified Jesus of Nazareth and conquered the known world save for Parthia.

.

16 Jan 13 at 11:11 am
Spuds, don’t bring up Vietnam today please.

As usual, it’s brought up by one of the usual suspects.
Hilarious and predictable…

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:11 am
That’s exactly what you’ve accussed gun control advocates of – you can’t have it both ways.

I’m not, you want women to be defenceless, your rejoinder to this is that I am “projecting” by cheering when they shoot the slimeballs.

You want women to be defenceless. This is the bottom line.

You are the only person who wants it both ways – leave women defenceless but somehow spin this as a matter of making women safer, because of an insult you levy from a psychological concept you don’t even understand.

Idiot.

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16 Jan 13 at 11:14 am
Dogshit, you so are excuciatingly stupid you make Stephan Lewandowsky look intelligent. Why do you keep coming back to a place where you’re despised? Have you told your family what you’re doing? Have you deleted those creepy sexual fantasies from your blog yet?

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 11:15 am
You ascribed a town 100 km out of a major QLD city and basically on the beach only a few years ago as “the deep bush”.

Bullshit.
If I did this, you’d have no problem linking to it.
Put up or shut up.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:17 am
Matt Ridley goes another round with out Tim Dunlop.

Since it has been mostly silent in the last few months, I didn’t even know Deltoid blog was still up and running, but I’m happy to publish this rebuttal for Matt Ridley against Tim Lambert’s claim that Ridley was wrong 20 years ago in a piece Mr. Lambert has focused on. Mr. Lambert can hopefully learn a few things by reading this, mostly, that he’s out of his league when arguing with Matt Ridley, who’s far more versed in the subject than Lambert. I suppose the word “pwned” might apply here.

Rafe

16 Jan 13 at 11:18 am
Bullshit.
If I did this, you’d have no problem linking to it.
Put up or shut up.

You did. Maybe you want to link your squishy, made up non linear history of gun violence at your school as well

Didn’t think so.

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16 Jan 13 at 11:23 am
From the top line of the terms and conditions of a removalist

“Herein, unless repugnant to the context –”

Has any body seen this use of the word repugnant before? Shouldn’t it be Redundant?

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 11:24 am
@Noname
Put up or shut up.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 11:26 am
Excellent article by Roger Franklin.

Snippet:

It requires little thought to grasp that more fuel means a bigger flame, and that removing fallen branches, bark and incendiary shrubs means a smaller one. Instead, time and again, we get case studies in what happens when a cultish green ignorance works its will on the land and public policy.

Excessive fuel loads feed massive fires? Don’t be silly, say those who count themselves in nature’s corner. The past week’s bushfires are symptoms of global warming, according to the Climate Commission, and the only cure is taxes, inflated electricity bills, expensive air travel and an international trade in certificates signifying ownership of nothing more tangible than tranches of thin air. In distant Britain, The Guardian’s reliably bizarre George Monbiot declared volunteer fireman Tony Abbott an eco-arsonist for opposing carbon taxes.

As for reducing fuel levels with controlled, “cool” burns, the cultists will fight that tooth and nail. In 2003, after much of the High Country was incinerated and parts of Canberra razed, a Victorian government inquiry heavy with academic theorists concluded that burning off was possible for only 10 days in a typical year. That was rubbish, as the stepped-up regime in force since Black Saturday has demonstrated.

In Nillumbik, fire experts surveyed the district and foresaw nothing but disaster, but their calls for fuel reduction were rejected by a council busily ticketing green blasphemers for collecting fallen wood. Cut down a tree, even on your own land, and the fines and legal costs could top six figures.

Such stern measures were needed because an overgrown Nillumbik was – that word again – “natural”. Except, as those incidental scenes in Stork attest, the Nillumbik that burned four years ago was pristine only if the Macquarie Dictionary has rewritten the definition to mean “neglect driven by a delusional green romanticism”. In the decades since the movie’s crew departed, and even as the district’s population boomed, the landscape was encouraged to become a tangled, sprawling firetrap.

That transition is best illustrated in advice to homeowners, who were urged in a shire-sponsored pamphlet to plant a variety of ti-tree said to be favoured by butterflies. Its natural habitat was never beneath the eaves of homes, but that was ignored, as was Country Fire Authority volunteers’ nickname for it: petrol bush.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 11:27 am
The researchers said it was possible Indian ancestry came to Australia indirectly, through south-east Asian populations who had trade links

stackja

16 Jan 13 at 11:33 am
As I know and has been said through out various blogs, once upon a time it was illegal to not have a fire break around your property.

The law was changed such that property and life has been threatened and indeed lost because of this. Where are the class action lawsuits?

A law that creates more harm than good must be tested in our courts.

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 11:39 am
So, stackja, I’d say the indians bumped off the original pygmy inhabitants – and the megafauna!
Bastards.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 11:42 am
Dan, you seem to have a problem with the idea of democracy.

You elect Councils and they make laws. Provided the law is constitutional and within their power to make, there is no challenging that via the courts.

You instead elect different people to Council to change the laws.

Got it? Quite simple, really.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 11:43 am
I wish newcomers to The Cat would read The Fisk Doctrine before commenting.

Tal

16 Jan 13 at 11:44 am
Our professional, world’s best practice, apolitical public service leads the way with Emily’s List:

PROMINENT economist Helen Hughes has decried a Reserve Bank of Australia proposal to set quotas to boost its number of female executives as an insult to capable women.

An internal Reserve Bank memo from December, released yesterday, revealed that the central bank had canvassed the possibility of “setting an aspirational target of 40 per cent of women in senior positions”, which the memo said would send “a strong signal of its gender equality commitment”.

“The target would be consistent with the government’s objective and private sector organisations” it added.

Women make up around 45 per cent of the RBA’s workforce but held 30 per cent of its managerial positions in June 2012, and the number of female applications for graduate positions has been falling.

Despite this, Professor Hughes, the first female deputy director of the World Bank and one of Australia’s first female economics professors, told The Australian that the introduction of quotas would be an “insult” to capable women.

“This sort of affirmative action ultimately hurts the intended beneficiaries, undermining their credibility in the work place” she said. “It also undermines workplace effectiveness and productivity because competence becomes a less important criterion”.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 11:48 am
Great. Affirmative action has given us a prime minister, Attorney-General, health minister, finance minister and Governor-General. And it works so well for the country that they now want to stack the Reserve Bank with leftist broads.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 11:50 am
So your saying that people who have had their property destroyed or relatives burnt to death should just suck it up?

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 11:55 am
target of 40 per cent of women in senior positions

Why 40 per cent? Why not 50 per cent, that gender equality, not 40 per cent? Do these people understand math at all? I’m outraged, I tells ya!

the number of female applications for graduate positions has been falling.

Well the government should do something about this! Herd the women up and force them to apply, ffs! It’s not rocket science.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 11:55 am
I see there is a substantial (well, more substantial given that one might expect that it couldn’t possibly exist) “Sandy Hook Truther” movement in the US.

We have warmenists in Australia who believe Gaia is set to return to reign over the globe. One of them. Tim Flannery, receives a Gillard government salary.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 11:56 am
Good to hear that SfB approves of jailing people who mislead the market.

blogstrop

16 Jan 13 at 11:57 am
Have you deleted those creepy sexual fantasies from your blog yet?

Link please

JC

16 Jan 13 at 11:57 am
From the woman who orchestrated a race riot:

Gillard flags suburban violence plan.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 11:58 am
Rafe

Matt Ridley goes another round with out Tim Dunlop.

Since it has been mostly silent in the last few months, I didn’t even know Deltoid blog was still up and running, but I’m happy to publish this rebuttal for Matt Ridley against Tim Lambert’s claim that Ridley was wrong 20 years ago in a piece Mr. Lambert has focused on. Mr. Lambert can hopefully learn a few things by reading this, mostly, that he’s out of his league when arguing with Matt Ridley, who’s far more versed in the subject than Lambert. I suppose the word “pwned” might apply here.

I think you mean Tim Lambert instead of Tim Dunlop although it would be hard to tell the difference with those two nutballs.

I think, Tim lambert has errrr been busy of late…

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:04 pm
Having said that, the stats are hardly necessary – common sense would suffice.

You used decade-old stats to “prove” your “point”. That should have been embarrassing enough on its own, but then…

Your stats prove this:

That in 2003, with the “Assault Weapon” ban fully in place, far fewer “Stand Your Ground”/”Castle Doctrine” states, and well before the massive gun-buying spree of the late 2000′s, there were 11,920 firearm homicides … 3,337 more than there were in 2011, with more guns in circulation, no “Assault Weapon” ban, and much more liberal gun laws throughout most of the country courtesy of the Supreme Court’s Heller ruling in 2008 and their 2010 McDonald ruling.

Little baby cheeses, what an own goal. Got any more stats you’d like to share with us?

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:04 pm
Its all crass exploitation of the deaths of children.

Of course it is. Obama passionately believes in murdering children. He voted to allow unwanted children to be thrown in garbage bins. The man is an amoral turd.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 12:06 pm
JC, very reluctant to link to junk sites, but creepville is here.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 12:08 pm
Excellent!

TEXAS THREATENS TO ARREST ANY FEDS WHO TRY ENFORCING NEW GUN REGS…

Also at DRUDGE:

Obama to surround himself with children to announce new controls…

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 12:09 pm
I am not, and never have been a “dude”.

Too right.

You are a paste-eating chucklehead. I got it right; JC got it wrong. JC needs to apologize here.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:10 pm
“PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ”freedom” under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.”

Well that seems extremely backward of the Aust Christian Lobby and the Labor Party.

Employers judging potential employees based on being “sinners” is not really an appropriate way to go about things, my view. Doesn’t encourage respectfulness and understanding. Sometimes I think Jim Wallace thinks he’s God.

candy

16 Jan 13 at 12:10 pm
So your saying that people who have had their property destroyed or relatives burnt to death should just suck it up?

Um, there is not a legal answer to situations like this.

Many of them who moved into the area (the population has “boomed”, remember) presumably did so because they liked the natural look of the place and were voting for Councillors who agreed with them. They are not interested in suing anyone.

And those who didn’t agree with Council can’t sue them for talking a decision they disagreed with.

In the wildly contested scientific and policy field of best bush management for fire control, you are also going to be hard pressed to say conclusively that anyone is negligent for the advice they have given governments. Joe Pubic would not have standing to sue them anyway.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 12:11 pm
Gillard flags suburban violence plan.

Bloody hell, it is about time the State premiers showed some nuts and took back their income tax powers, industrial relations powers and whatever else they can think of to teach these bastards a lesson in federalism. I am getting increasingly pissed off at an incompetent commonwealth trampling over States’ rights…

Skuter

16 Jan 13 at 12:12 pm
LOL.

Freezing weather greets warmening protest.

Cold weather not the point, environmentalist says

Freezing weather with light snow flurries greeted about 200 climate activists gathered on the steps of the state Capitol noon Monday to demand the state Legislature get serious about climate change…

The irony of Monday’s cold weather compared to a global climate that is heating due to a carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere was not lost on the crowd, or some of the speakers.

“Climate and weather are two different things,” Olympia-area environmentalist Paul Pickett was quick to remind the bundled-up crowd. Climate is long term and weather is what happens daily, he said.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 12:14 pm
In the wildly contested scientific and policy field of best bush management for fire control, you are also going to be hard pressed to say conclusively that anyone is negligent for the advice they have given governments

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 12:14 pm
From Rafe’s blog.

Lambert is up to his old tricks again.

Anyway, what’s the point of all this? Well, this sentence, taken out of context, was reprinted last week by a website called Deltoid in a blog post entitled rather strangely “The Australian’s War on Science 81: Matt Ridley’s 20 year old wrong prediction” (I am not an Australian, and I have as far as I recall only once written an article for the newspaper called the Australian; I have enlisted in no war on science – indeed if there is such a war, I’ll join the infantry on science’s side). The sentence was said to have come from the Globe and Mail, a Toronto newspaper that again I have hardly ever written for, in 1993.

Alerted by a tweet from Andrew Revkin, I replied in three tweets a few seconds apart: “I did not write for the Globe and Mail in 1993, let alone about climate…maybe the GandM quoted something else I wrote and anyway…not yet wrong”. This led to a torrent of tweets from some activist claiming I had denied the article, I was an idiot, etc. Good luck to him. Anyway somebody –- actually Gavin Schmidt – then kindly posted the article on the Deltoid website (the “owner” of which, Tim Lambert, had failed to do me the courtesy of letting me know he was posting this strange attack) so I could check that yes, I did write it and that yes unbeknownst to me the Globe and Mail did reprint it, presumably with the permission of the Economist, on the last day of 1993.

Now for all I know Tim Lambert may be very good at his day job, which is lecturing in computer graphics at the University of New South Wales. He may also be charming company. But let’s just parse his headline. “Matt Ridley’s 20-year-old wrong prediction”. In what way was it wrong? One fifth of a century has passed since I wrote that sentence – I’d hardly call it a prediction, more an assessment – so how can it be wrong yet to say that there will be a degree of warming in a century? And since the fullest data set over the longest period shows that we are on track for 1.08 degrees of warming in a century, “about a degree” is looking pretty good so far, though of course it is far too early to tell. I’m not claiming it was right, just that it’s 80 years premature to call it wrong.

But Lambert seemed to be under the impression that it was obvious that I was already wrong. In a series of tweets and in a very odd, cherry-picked graph with no data source cited, he kept insisting that there’s been 0.4 degrees of warming between 1993 and 2013. I showed him the above graph. Since 1993 was the low point of the post-Pinatubo cooling (conveniently) and by ignoring the black average line in the above graph but taking the one data point that is November 2012, he claimed justification. “UAH 0.42 warming over baseline. 1993 temp on baseline,” he tweeted. At this I have to admit, I burst out laughing so loudly my dog woke up. Truly the mind boggleth.

There ensued a silly little twitter war of words in which Lambert refused me room to reply in a blog post with diagrams – the comments space of his website does not fit diagrams — while a chorus of tweeters heaped abuse on my head. This is what passes for debate in climate science, or computer graphics departments, these days.

I think the only part Matt Ridley may have got wrong was that Lambert and his day job.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:15 pm
The only stat that matters is this one -
Average fiream ownership per 100 people (USA) – 88.8
Average firearm ownership per 100 people (Australia) – 15
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (USA) – 2.97
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (Australia) – .14
From Datablog - Facts are Sacred
Ever considered the possibility of a correlation?

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 12:17 pm
Candy, the extremist Age reporter used the word “sinners.”

He has now been called out for lying.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 12:17 pm
Obama to surround himself with children to announce new controls…

Stranger danger alert.

Infidel Tiger

16 Jan 13 at 12:18 pm
“PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ”freedom” under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.”

In reality..

The Australian Christian Lobby has dismissed as “a complete beat-up” suggestions that proposed new laws will allow religious organisations to discriminate against sinners.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 12:18 pm
Cold weather not the point, environmentalist says

It’s probably a different kind of cold too, CL. The point being it’s not the normal kind of cold. It’s a global warming induced cold. Because, carbon dioxide.

So shut up.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:18 pm
God your a fuckhead Steve. Laws get contested in courts all the time, Malaysian solution…

I doubt the place is booming either, the council more than likely highly regulates the release of land available for housing.

Natural look of the place! And what advice from who? How the fuck does that matter? The law was changed and loss of life and property occurred as a result. Jayzuz, people are being locked up and fined for taking preventative measures to protect themselves, their families and their property.

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 12:23 pm
More from the Matt Ridley piece.

Now look, fellers, you do this kind of thing for a living. I’m just a self-employed writer with no back-up team, no government grants, no taxpayer salary, no computer simulations, and absolutely no pretensions to being Nostradamus about anything. But it strikes me I did a far better job of predicting the climate back in 1993 than any of you! How could that be?

Anyway, the whole episode was depressing in two ways.

First, it’s a little sad that a lecturer in computer graphics took the trouble to look up a sentence a freelance journalist wrote 20 years ago in a piece about something else and falsely claimed it was already “wrong” when it isn’t, and would hardly matter if it was. Does he not have anything better to do?

Ha! Matt, you seem to be wrong on the highlighted bit. I think Lambert has plenty, plenty of time on his hands these days, but that’s just my opinion.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:24 pm
Ever considered the possibility of a correlation?

No. Because the very same chart you link to disproves it. There are countries with far lower firearm ownership rates than the USA yet higher murder rates.

To take but one:

Average fiream ownership per 100 people (USA) – 88.8
Average firearm ownership per 100 people (Honduras) – 15
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (USA) – 2.97
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (Honduras) – 68.43

There are twenty-seven countries on your list with lower firearm rates than the USA yet higher gun homicide rates.

To put it bluntly, “this is not the correlation you were looking for”.

What, were you hoping no one would actually click on your link and check it out, or are you so mathematically illiterate that you did not even notice that your own chart disproved your theory?

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:28 pm
“In the wildly contested scientific and policy field of ~~best bush management for fire control~~ climate change..

Fixed.

Lazlo

16 Jan 13 at 12:29 pm
Is it because people here are often wannabe Americans that they think there must always be someone who you can sue when something goes wrong?

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 12:33 pm
What, were you hoping no one would actually click on your link and check it out, or are you so mathematically illiterate that you did not even notice that your own chart disproved your theory?

This isn’t random, Dog. It’s almost 100% of the time. Watch. When a leftie puts up a link, it’s either to some leftie propaganda outfit or the link never supports his or her assertions and in fact contradicts their point.

we’re actually dealing with the mentally impaired.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:33 pm
Let’s look at another comparison from Patio Boy’s chart, which he claims proves a correlation because number of guns per 100 citizens and gun homicide rate per 100,000 citizens:

Average fiream ownership per 100 people (Australia) – 15
Average firearm ownership per 100 people (Honduras) – 15
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (Australia) – 0.14
Homicide by firearm rate per 100000 people (Honduras) – 68.43

He’s a teacher, folks. And he’s here all week.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:34 pm
Is it because people here are often wannabe Americans that they think there must always be someone who you can sue when something goes wrong?

It’s almost impossible to sue in the US for slander and libel, you ignorant oaf.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:35 pm
This place is a killing field. My god.

.

16 Jan 13 at 12:35 pm
I do hope the young lass recovers, but there must be a candidate for a Darwin Award in this somewhere.

Lazlo

16 Jan 13 at 12:36 pm
Only sdog would compare the USA with Honduras and expect that to mean anything at all – classic cherry-picking.
How about comparing the rate with developed nations such as the UK (.07), New Zealand (.16) or Canada (.51)?
Alternativelly, you could read the whole datasheet and seek an average.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 12:38 pm
This place is a killing field. My god.

Dot, the morgue says it can’t keep up with the daily body. They now want to charge a pre-morgue wait fee as they’re stacking up and now using commercial fridges. They reckon the carbon tax raised the price of refrigeration which is why they want to hit us with a pre-morgue fee.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:40 pm
Cherry picking means looking at the whole dataset?

Then you have the temerity to tell someone else to do the same?

Fuck off you pathetic, lying turd.

Alternativelly, you could read the whole datasheet and seek an average.

Which would prove nothing, dickless.

.

16 Jan 13 at 12:41 pm
Patio Boy reckons it’s wrong to compare brown people with white people. OF COURSE brown people are going to be more inherently violent, he explains.

FMD.

sdog

16 Jan 13 at 12:42 pm
Only sdog would compare the USA with Honduras and expect that to mean anything at all – classic cherry-picking.

Really? Define cherry picking spuds, you moronic oaf.

All dog has done is produce a comparison between rates of gun ownership etc and homicides.

You don;’t like Hondurans because they may be not the right color or looks?

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:43 pm
snap Dog.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 12:43 pm
SfB the vaginal bacterialist and numbers the pantomime war hero. What a pair of spoons

Tiny Dancer

16 Jan 13 at 12:44 pm
But I keep telling you, this was only going to end up one way, once they started teaching computers to play Civilization !!

Shall We Play A Game?

Cold-Hands

16 Jan 13 at 12:44 pm
The Lying Slapper still loves the idea that she can fix any problem, even though she has left a trail of wreckage through the country in the past two years:

JULIA Gillard has used shootings in Sydney and street clashes in Brisbane to flag a new national approach to dealing with violence in suburban Australia.
The Prime Minister said she had asked Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare to find out how the federal government can act on such violence and to explore the limits of Canberra’s legal and constitutional responsibilities…
…Ms Gillard did not answer questions about what options would be considered.

On the other hand, it’s too good an opportunity to pass up to just sit back and pour shit on CanDo and the other Liberal state premiers:

“It’s not my intention as Prime Minister to try and step into the shoes of state governments, that wouldn’t be right.
“State governments need to get about their responsibilities and I’m not going to be running commentary on how Premier (Barry) O’Farrell or Premier (Campbell) Newman or indeed anybody else is dealing with this violence.
“But I do think, at this time, all levels of government need to be doing everything that can be done to address this violence.”

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 12:45 pm
By the way, IT, you’re really struggling for the laffs today if you’re going with “Obama’s a p*do”.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 12:47 pm
The Prime Minister said she had asked Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare to find out how the federal government can act on such violence and to explore the limits of Canberra’s legal and constitutional responsibilities…

She can call and election, resign as PM and as an MP, admit to staging a race riot and turn herself into the authorities and make a submission for a maximum sentence as an example.

.

16 Jan 13 at 12:48 pm
Maybe numbers means it is racial?

Like This

Woolfe

16 Jan 13 at 12:51 pm
JULIA Gillard has used shootings in Sydney and street clashes in Brisbane to flag a new national approach to dealing with violence in suburban Australia.

She has unique experience in this, no other PM has got her office to start a riot.

Token

16 Jan 13 at 12:52 pm
Well, seeing people want to bring the topic of vaginal microbiology up, perhaps sdog can explain the peculiarly American thing about “douching”.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 12:52 pm
Ever considered the possibility of a correlation?

There is no correlation, in fact the data is so varied it proves that murder is not simply related to firearm ownership. There are too many other things that contribute. Canada, Germany and many other countries have gun owner ship upwards of 30/100000 people with low murder rates.

You fail to take into account the illegal drug trade and gang activity in the US, which are significant contibutors. Without acknowledging those factors you are being dishonest at best by claiming correlation.

Old Fridgie

16 Jan 13 at 12:54 pm
Steve, in your strange world, no matter how odious a law or how much it infringes on your right to protect yourself or your property, you just have to suck it up.

I bet your wife gets sick of standing in for you in physical confrontations. With the local stray.

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 12:55 pm
JULIA Gillard has used shootings in Sydney and street clashes in Brisbane to flag a new national approach to dealing with violence in suburban Australia.

gillard, who was responsible for staging a race riot by falsifying what Abbott actually said, then deliberately moved the mouthpiece, after the fact, offshore into a plumb job as a reward…gillard, a hypocrite par excellence.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 12:57 pm
“My strange world” consists of understanding how laws are made and when you can sue about them.

You should join it sometime, Dan.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 12:59 pm
Numbers, you tool, there is no correlation between ownership and gun-homicide rate.

Lets pick Ireland.. a peaceful backwater full of little green men and black beer. Similar social makeup to Oz… and throw in France and Italy, too

Oz: ownership 15/100. Gun homicides 0.14/100k, 11% of homicides are by gun
IRL: ownership 8.6/100. 0.48/100k, 42%
FR: 31.2/100, 0.06/100k, 9.6%
IT: 11.9/100. 0.71/100k, 67%

duncanm

16 Jan 13 at 1:00 pm
There is no correlation, in fact the data is so varied it proves that murder is not simply related to firearm ownership.

Never mind, numbers takes an average of the ratios and declares that as the correlation (not the coefficient…)

What a dumbarse.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:00 pm
Patio Boy reckons it’s wrong to compare brown people with white people.
Not sure to whom you’re referring, but if it’s me, I made no mention of race. I did mention “developed nation”. You’ve been taking lessons from the likes of Bolt and Jones – make something up, attribute it, and then abuse with it.
Many reading here are probably too thick to notice….
You’re looking increasingly stupid.
And I’m still waiting for noname to put up or shut up.
Children….

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:01 pm
So, the Federal Government is going to fix drive-by shootings by Lebanese drug gangs and bikies? Not to mention gang wars between Aboriginals and Tongans? How?

Perhaps they will send teams of grief counsellors and run educational sessions about conflict resolution in the local Community Centre.

FFS.

I doubt that voters will see this as anything other than what it is, good old-fashioned ambulance-chasing. The Slater & Gordon training was not wasted.

johanna

16 Jan 13 at 1:02 pm
Fuck a duck!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9798790/Mario-Draghi-has-saved-the-rich-now-he-must-save-the-poor.html

SfB, you’re often a dope, but I can’t argue with you here. What sort of a stupid world would it be if you could sue the govt for the damage done to you by legitimately passed laws. Dan, that’s nuts.

Pedro

16 Jan 13 at 1:02 pm
“My strange world” consists of understanding how laws are made and when you can sue about them.

I think we need to send Steve to remedial English. Maybe he’s not a stuck up halfwit with bizzare ideas after all.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:02 pm
Amazing how the lefties here are the first to be sanctimonious and all preachy-like about abuse and in the next breath dish out the abuse.

Ah yes, but it’s different when they do it.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:03 pm
The policy or attempt at dealing with suburban violence would be favourably received, i think. It’s worrying issue for people.

The Coalition just seem to miss the boat on so many things.

candy

16 Jan 13 at 1:03 pm
Ever considered the possibility of a correlation?

Hahahahahahaha!!! The old commo traitor is forced to agree with Newt Gingrich.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 1:03 pm
And I’m still waiting for noname to put up or shut up.

Dickhead.

Everybody knows you lied about “being from ‘da bush’” and your memory about “gun incidents” at your school is so dishonest it is laughable.

Having no link simply means I don’t consider you worthy of keeping tabs on.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:05 pm
JULIA Gillard has used shootings in Sydney and street clashes in Brisbane to flag a new ~~national approach to dealing with violence in suburban Australia~~ trashing of the constitution.

Pedro

16 Jan 13 at 1:06 pm
Gun figures are all being argued as “no correlation” in order to avoid the common sense points that:

* the US has had a series of high profile mass shootings involving mentally disturbed white guys with assault weapons

* the Obama administration seeks to reduce access to assault weapons by improving background checks, reducing the number of high capacity magazines available to anyone, and the availability of assault weapons.

These moves would formally, not so many years ago, have been called (even by a substantial number of Republicans) sensible measures in the wider public interest.

It is a sign of the nutjobbery that has taken over control of the Right that all such measures are being opposed by crap arguments based on paranoia and insistence that there is really is no problem at all relating to guns in the US.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 1:06 pm
@duncann
Yep, and none of them have a gun homicide rate anywhere near that of the USA (2.97 – 21 times Australia, 6 times Ireland, 49 times France and 4 times Italy).
Thanks for highlighting my point.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:08 pm
What sort of a stupid world would it be if you could sue the govt for the damage done to you by legitimately passed laws. Dan, that’s nuts.

Pedro

Every law that is challenged is first legitimately passed.

You only need have one clause of the entire Act to be invalid and you may have a cause of action.

Having Government pay for externalities they create just like citizens are meant to would be fair and efficient.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:09 pm
formerly, not “formally”

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 1:09 pm
Having no link simply means I don’t consider you worthy of keeping tabs on.

No – it means you’re bullshitting (as usual).
Put up or shut up….

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:10 pm
It is a sign of the nutjobbery that has taken over control of the Right that all such measures are being opposed by crap arguments based on paranoia and insistence that there is really is no problem at all relating to guns in the US.

Well put.
That same nutjobbery is present here in spades.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:11 pm
the US has had a series of high profile mass shootings involving mentally disturbed white guys with assault weapons

define assault weapons.

* the Obama administration seeks to reduce access to assault weapons by improving background checks, reducing the number of high capacity magazines available to anyone, and the availability of assault weapons.

How does that stop

high profile mass shootings involving mentally disturbed white guys with assault weapons

These moves would formally, not so many years ago, have been called (even by a substantial number of Republicans) sensible measures in the wider public interest.

But how do they limit, reduce , stop:

high profile mass shootings involving mentally disturbed white guys with assault weapons

It is a sign of the nutjobbery that has taken over control of the Right that all such measures are being opposed by crap arguments based on paranoia and insistence that there is really is no problem at all relating to guns in the US.

Not true. We recognize that at the moment the US is a violent place which means law abiding citizens can avail themselves of their constitutional right to own guns.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 1:12 pm
Spuds

Fuck off.

JC

16 Jan 13 at 1:13 pm
Fuck off.
No – having too much fun:-)

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:15 pm
I’m not arguing the legitimacy of laws being passed, I’m saying that laws that endanger people should be contested.

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 1:16 pm
The policy or attempt at dealing with suburban violence would be favourably received

Funny but I thought we already had laws against violence. There’s absolutley no need for the federal government to stick it’s ever ubiquitous nose into something it has no business interfering with and let the laws as they exist, and the judicial system, deal with acts of violence. gillard is just opportunistically grandstanding and people who have little clue just latch onto the emotive motherhood statements she dishes out, ad nauseum, as if gillard was some pomo prophet. Hopefully, the opposition will stay well away from this farce.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:16 pm
means law abiding citizens can avail themselves of their constitutional right to own guns.

and, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, there has been no suggestion at all by any politician of note that Obama or Congress could prevent “law abiding citizens” owning a handgun.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 1:17 pm
… How laws are passed…

Dan

16 Jan 13 at 1:17 pm
No – having too much fun:-)

Too retarded to use the blockquote properly.

Infidel Tiger

16 Jan 13 at 1:18 pm
I know Gab but I fear the Libs will struggle to get elected with only a skeleton of policies.

candy

16 Jan 13 at 1:20 pm
Look dickhead

Of course the Kenyan is attempting to prevent law abiding citizens to own guns, otherwise why all the commotion about gun control.

Do you even understand what the fuck you post as comments, Stepford?

JC

16 Jan 13 at 1:21 pm
Quantify “skeleton”, Candy. And tell me exactly how many policies should they have, as you appear to be of the quantity not quality set.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:21 pm
Behold stupid lefties, below is the most authoritative statement ever on gun control from the cat:

@duncann
Yep, and none of them have a gun homicide rate anywhere near that of the USA (2.97 – 21 times Australia, 6 times Ireland, 49 times France and 4 times Italy).
Thanks for highlighting my point.

They also have 500 000 people in gaol for drug related crimes.

Moron.

Bloody hell. Even Fatso Mick Moore in BFC says that guns don’t cause violence, across the great lakes in Canada there is more gun ownership but a better culture (his thesis is also crap, a military based manufacturing industry and tough times due to “neoliberal” outsourcing makes people…turn into murderers).

It’s also sickening “statistics” (read: massged data) presented here before included war casulties! (a swipe at poor dumb old Bush) but didn’t include casulaties from the DRUG WAR (which the conservatives started, but Obama prosecutes with vigour). Fuck me this is the height of arrogant stupidity.

Gun figures are all being argued as “no correlation” in order to avoid the common sense points that:

All basically irrelevant from what I said before:

Most of these already exist. Mass shootings would not have been materially affected by a magazine limit.

and:

The amount of homicides, second degree and first degree (for various reasons), serial killers and mass shootings due to the actions of an otherwise law abiding gun owner, and that would be prevented by more gun control, are negligible, less likely than a random individual being struck by lightning and hit by a car, and are effectively zero.

Most of the murders that do occur are drug related.

If you really wanted to reduce gun violence and mass shootings, you’d actually lock up crazy people (derided by the left as wrong for “institutionalising”
people), change the rules of engagement for police so they can go in earlier (unlike Columbine, everyone was already dead for hours), allow any US police or military veteran of good character with a clean record and honourable discharge to have open carry permits, allow school security guards to be armed, apply the death penalty unambiguously to aggravated murderers of a sound mind and end the insane and counterproductive drug war.

Gun control isn’t going to work. There is more than one gun per household. It is not feasible to confiscate them.

Everything else I mention above, has a track record of working in the US or elsewhere.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:23 pm
define assault weapons

An assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms. An assault weapon may have a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.
These features are often included so that the resemblance to a military firearm gells neatly with fantasies indulged in by the gun wankers.
They don’t make the weapon any more lethal, but they say heaps about the mentality of an individual who needs to own something that looks deadly to feel good about him/herself.
Pathetic.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:25 pm
Mark, it takes a law to give you compensation for the effects of another law. There is no inherent right to sue the govt because a law was legitimately passed. A statute that is invalidated was never legitimately passed, if it was, it couldn’t be invalidated as statutes are only invalid through want or power or failure of process.

Pedro

16 Jan 13 at 1:25 pm
C.L. 13 Jan 13 at 12:40 am iron bar thrower in court mother on radio today told everyone ‘to piss off’ nice family it seems.

stackja

16 Jan 13 at 1:27 pm
“I’m not arguing the legitimacy of laws being passed, I’m saying that laws that endanger people should be contested.”

Then write to your MP. But I read you earlier saying that people harmed by clearing restrictions ought to sue for compensation, which they can’t, unless there is a law providing for it.

Pedro

16 Jan 13 at 1:28 pm
Having no link simply means I don’t consider you worthy of keeping tabs on.

No – it means you’re bullshitting (as usual).
Put up or shut up….

Ah no arseclown. We caught you out lying on both issues (being from ‘da bush’ and your made up lies about being threatened with a gun) and it just led to more dissembling.

Everyone remembers, no one gives a fuck about what url is needed to show the record.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:29 pm
Tolerant Leftist Elevates the Political Discourse by Releasing Video Game that Lets Players Shoot the NRA’s President in the Head

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:29 pm
steve from brisbane @
16 Jan 13 at 12:11 pm

SoB has kind words to say about his fellow New Communists who move into beautiful areas, get onto council and stop the locals from protecting their properties.

They are not interested in suing anyone.

And again the ingrained democracy = mob rule interpretation.

And those who didn’t agree with Council can’t sue them for talking a decision they disagreed with.

When your rulers are wrong, just suck it up…

you are also going to be hard pressed to say conclusively that anyone is negligent for the advice they have given governments.

You’d have to have rocks in your head to believe a New Communist wouldn’t be lining up for a free hand out in spite of the fact they voted for the destruction. Their entire ideology is based on free handouts coerced from the productive.

Forester

16 Jan 13 at 1:29 pm
These features are often included so that the resemblance to a military firearm gells neatly with fantasies indulged in by the gun wankers.

Hey cock you got your army buddy to show a military grade self loading rifle to the kids at a school for chlidren with special needs, didn’t you?

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:32 pm
Tolerant Leftist Elevates the Political Discourse by Releasing Video Game that Lets Players Shoot the NRA’s President in the Head

Respect Gab, it’s all about da respect.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:33 pm
across the great lakes in Canada there is more gun ownership but a better culture

Rubbish – at 30.8 per 100 in Canada ownership is less than half the rate in the USA (88.8).

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:33 pm
The most beautiful thing one could see this year, politically, would be an ATF agent being handcuffed and frogmarched to a cell by Texas Rangers.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 1:34 pm
Everyone remembers, no one gives a fuck about what url is needed to show the record.

No. As usual, you made it up.
Put up or shut up.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:35 pm
Well he meant there are less gun deaths per ownership, it has been a long time since I watched.

Stop the bullshit numbers.

Guns don’t make people violent. The US and USSR held nuclear weapons for 50 years and never used them on anyone bar the Japanese.

Why did you show a bunch of retarded kids an assault rifle if they make people kill other people?

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:37 pm
An assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms. An assault weapon may have a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.
These features are often included so that the resemblance to a military firearm gells neatly with fantasies indulged in by the gun wankers.
They don’t make the weapon any more lethal, but they say heaps about the mentality of an individual who needs to own something that looks deadly to feel good about him/herself.

Good use of Wiki numbers – Pathetic!

Old Fridgie

16 Jan 13 at 1:37 pm
Obama Has Increased the Debt 60%,So Let’s Talk About Guns

Flashback 2006:

OBAMA: Guys, ok, I have to go vote. It’s a sad state of affairs. We just voted to increase the debt limit. The US total debt at this point exceeds eight trillion dollars. That’s eight trillion, with a T. So we’ve gotta get our fiscal house in order here in Washington. I’m not sure it’s gonna happen under the current leadership in Congress.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:37 pm
a military grade self loading rifle

The Steyr F88 is an automatic rifle – not an SLR.
And I don’t need to own one – nothing to prove….

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:38 pm
Everyone remembers, no one gives a fuck about what url is needed to show the record.

No. As usual, you made it up.
Put up or shut up.

No cock.

You asserted that you were from ‘da baush’ whilst actually teaching near the coast not far outside of a regional centre.

You also asserted you only saw a gun once at school, whilst being threatened, whilst at the same time, as much as you hate “gun wankers’ and your claims that guns make people violent, particularly the mentally ill, you had your mate from the Army turn up to a school for tards and show them a military grade self laoding rifle.

Cock.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
Good use of Wiki numbers – Pathetic!

Call it for what it is – plagiarizing.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
Extremist Monash Uni feminist: ‘women’s rights’ means criminals should not be punished for killing a woman’s unborn child.

Moves to protect unborn babies set to spark debate.

A FAMILY First MP will push for national laws he says will better protect unborn babies and their mothers.

The move comes after a pregnant woman and her unborn baby were killed in a car crash in Adelaide. The driver was charged with one count of causing death by dangerous driving as South Australian law does not recognise the foetus as a person.

State MP Robert Brokenshire will introduce a private member’s Bill to the South Australian Parliament, and told news.com.au that he then hopes to push for nationally consistent legislation on foetal homicide.

However, the moves to change the legal status of foetuses have been labelled “sneaky” and “backhanded” attempts to change abortion laws and challenge women’s rights…

Prominent author and columnist Dr Leslie Cannold, an adjunct at Monash University’s Gender, Leadership and Social Sustainability Research Unit, said people who were anti-choice on abortion were “desperate, desperate, desperate” to change the laws on foetuses and that it was “sneaky, backhanded”.

“It’s no accident that every time (these laws) get proposed it’s by organisations like Family First who are known to be anti-choice,” she said.

“To me that speaks volumes. They’ve gone at it directly before by attacking women’s right to choose, and now they’re going by the back door.

“Either they’re silly or they think we are. Everyone knows that the minute you pass legislation you are no longer in control of how a future Parliament or future judiciary will interpret it.”

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 1:40 pm
a bunch of retarded kids

Arrogant prick.
You’ve revealed your pig-ignorance right there. “Retarded” is a meaningless (and insulting term). Many kids with disabilities do not have any intellectual impairment. Your understanding of disability (like most of your value system) is straight out of the 19th century.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:42 pm
The Steyr F88 is an automatic rifle – not an SLR.

It’s selective fire, actually, cock.

Truly pathetic.

Made up career, contribution to society and dissembling bullshit artist who can’t remember what he said three weeks ago.

You are a pathetic worm.

How old are you? 60 years old?

You have the confabulation of a teenaged career crim with a massively inflated sense of self entitlement.

There is no way in hell a sane parent would let you anywhere near their kids. They would have a better role model in a 19 year old street level drug dealer.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:43 pm
Dot, it was “compassionate” left infiltration of policy through the bureaucracy that insisted that the mentally ill (dangerous lunatics) should be assimilated into the community (allowed to walk the streets). To end the massacres committed by dangerous lunatics, the mentally ill — sorry, the left — want to disarm gun owners and ultimately the entire civilian population so that the state has a monopoly on the right to bear arms. And, being lovers of government, the mentally ill — sorry, the left — believes the government can always be totally trusted never to abuse its new monopoly on lethal force. The left has the reasoning of the mentally ill and the left controls the White House. FMD.

Tom

16 Jan 13 at 1:46 pm
a bunch of retarded kids

Arrogant prick.
You’ve revealed your pig-ignorance right there. “Retarded” is a meaningless (and insulting term). Many kids with disabilities do not have any intellectual impairment. Your understanding of disability (like most of your value system) is straight out of the 19th century.

I don’t actually care numbers. You’re the fuckwit who had a show and tell of a military rifle at special needs school, yet brag about not being a “gun wanker”.

Fuckhead.

Let me guess, some of these poor kids suffer from some mental illnesses?

You are basically saying you’re right and we’re wrong because you chose a more PC term to describe retarded children.

You really are a pathetic moron. You are now claiming victimhood status by proxy to stamp your feet and demand every concede you are right.

Fuck off.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:47 pm
If you really wanted to reduce gun violence and mass shootings, you’d actually lock up crazy people (derided by the left as wrong for “institutionalising” people), change the rules of engagement for police so they can go in earlier (unlike Columbine, everyone was already dead for hours), allow any (in the US and elsewhere) police or military veteran of good character with a clean record and honourable discharge to have open carry permits, allow law abiding citizens to have concealed carry, allow school security guards to be armed, apply the death penalty unambiguously to aggravated murderers of a sound mind and end the insane and counterproductive drug war (in the US and elsewhere).

Gun control isn’t going to work. There is more than one gun per household. It is not feasible to confiscate them.

Everything else I mention above, has a track record of working in the US or elsewhere.

Truer words have never been spoken.

.

16 Jan 13 at 1:51 pm
An assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms.

You forgot to include barrel shroud, you know, that shoulder thing that goes up.

Eddystone

16 Jan 13 at 1:53 pm
believes the government can always be totally trusted never to abuse its new monopoly on lethal force.

As Jon Stewart says, “imaginary Hitler” means guns shouldn’t be regulated. Or rather, further regulated, given that they already are so that, for example, fully automatics are prohibited.

Fully automatic weapons would be a handy defence against imaginary Hitler, though.

So Tom: should the American public, law abiding citizen subset, have the right to own fully automatic weapons?

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 1:53 pm
the mentally ill (dangerous lunatics)

More pig ignorance. People with mental illness are only slightly more likely than the rest of the population to be violent. Substance abuse is a much more significant factor. People with no mental disorder who abuse alcohol or drugs are nearly seven times as likely as those without substance abuse to report violent behavior. Should we lock up all the drunks?
Your stereotyping also comes straight out of the last century.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 1:56 pm
Wait, their guns weren’t in a safe?

Bikie leader Zeljko ‘Steven’ Mitrovic killed in workplace execution.

POLICE are hunting up to seven men in relation to the shooting murder of the high-ranking Hells Angels bikie…

“One of the men then produced a pistol and fired a number of shots, hitting Mr Mitrovic and killing him at the scene.”

Thankfully, Howard’s Tough Gun Laws make it impossible to get a pistol or wander around carrying one.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 1:57 pm
@noname

and demand every (sic) concede you are right.

And you’re becoming incoherent (or more incoherent than usual).
Put up or shut up.

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 2:00 pm
should the American public, law abiding citizen subset, have the right to own fully automatic weapons?

They already do, although heavily regulated.

Why, what do you ~~think~~ fantasise would happen if they did?

Eddystone

16 Jan 13 at 2:00 pm
As Jon Stewart says, “imaginary Hitler” means guns shouldn’t be regulated.

This is gibberish and proves you really do need to complete a remedial English course.

Fully automatic weapons would be a handy defence against imaginary Hitler, though.

You can get them here in gun law paradise Australia.

What’s bullshit is that you are not allowed to use them for self defence, even if you have another legitimate reason, and it is in the realm of castle doctrine.

Hitler also survived many shooting attempts, bombings and poisonings.

So Tom: should the American public, law abiding citizen subset, have the right to own fully automatic weapons?

Of course they should, we have the right to do so here under employment circumstances.

Gun control advocate, Diane Feinstein, believes she should have automatic weapons, concealed carry and even lied about being shot at to support her point of view.

.

16 Jan 13 at 2:01 pm
Put up or shut up.

I wish you’d just shut up, you boorish pig ignorant dolt.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 2:01 pm
“I am absolutely horrified,” NSW RSL president Don Rowe said.

Oh please. Settle down, you sanctimonious ninny.

Liberal tosser Warren Entsch says this of the female staffer:

“I thought they’d know better than to send something like that sort of shit,” he said.

“They know I would rip them a second one. It’s mindless stupidity. It’s totally sick and inappropriate.”

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:03 pm
I wish you’d just shut up, you boorish pig ignorant dolt.

And God bless you too…..

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 2:03 pm
So Tom: should the American public, law abiding citizen subset, have the right to own fully automatic weapons?

Of course. A law abiding citizens should be allowed to own anything they want.

Infidel Tiger

16 Jan 13 at 2:05 pm
People with mental illness are only slightly more likely than the rest of the population to be violent.

No. You fucking lying idiot. Why do you think the biggest and strongest nurses are usually chosen for mental health?

You are actually saying that institutionalising people is bad for them and society? Rubbish. It is cruel to let them go. YOU are the one with the fucked up beatnik, 1950s attitude.

A modern mental health facility is humane for the dangerously mentally ill and they get quality of life.

Out on your own, without your meds, possibly self medicated and living in a dive with no support network, no money…oh but that is cruel.

It does not enhance the liberty or welfare of anyone, including themselves to have the dangerously, strongly delusional and perhaps violent walking free, with little to no supervision or medication.

And you’re becoming incoherent (or more incoherent than usual).
Put up or shut up.

Missing one word from a sentence makes more sense than your bullshit career and bullshit made up stories where one incident becomes two.

.

16 Jan 13 at 2:06 pm
Obama to Announce Gun Ban Surrounded by Children

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Obama’s children are surrounded by a gun-toting detail. Good enough for his kids just not anyone else’s.

Gab

16 Jan 13 at 2:07 pm
“I am absolutely horrified,” NSW RSL president Don Rowe said.

Stupid bastard must’ve had had his humour gland blown away by an IED.

Australia is a very sick country.

Infidel Tiger

16 Jan 13 at 2:08 pm
“I am absolutely horrified,” NSW RSL president Don Rowe said.

Harden the fuck up.

We don’t have conscripts anymore.

Submariners are paid better than most lawyers.

If the military crumbles at a joke, we may as well roll out the red carpet for any industrious, revanchist and imperialist South Asian regime.

.

16 Jan 13 at 2:09 pm
IT, your role here is to be a sweary comedy act with nutty libertarian ideas, with the odd exception or two. (It’s only because you don’t like Europeans that you are against the nutty open border policies of Sinclair.) Otherwise, we know you can be safely ignored on serious issues regarding the public good: you don’t need to re-confirm that all the time.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 2:11 pm
Liberal tosser Warren Entsch says this of the female staffer:

“I thought they’d know better than to send something like that sort of shit,” he said.

“They know I would rip them a second one. It’s mindless stupidity. It’s totally sick and inappropriate.”

I thought he might have been hard when he was younger, but now he’s just a fat, crying softcock.

.

16 Jan 13 at 2:11 pm
So says Steve, the Tony Abbot penis, vaginal microbiology and butt plug obsessed cardigan wearer who visits Pinkenba industrial estates for holidays.

.

16 Jan 13 at 2:12 pm
Beautiful new headline ensemble at DRUDGE:

Vegas: 60,000 Expected To Attend Gun Show…
Idaho: ‘People can hardly walk they’ve got so much stuff’…
S Dakota: ‘Unprecedented demand’…
Kentucky: ‘Store shelves bare’…
Virginia: Lines Stretched for Hundreds of Yards…
Citizens File Articles of Impeachment Against Obama…
NRA membership grows by quarter million in one month…

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:13 pm
You are actually saying that institutionalising people is bad for them and society?

No – you said that – you’re doing it again…putting words in my mouth. You’re not self-aware enough to recognise it – that’s listed in the DSM under “Delusion”.
There is a place for institutionalisation, just as there is a place for community support. Glibertarians can’t abide either. Most want the mentally ill to simply disappear.
You’ve also made some interesting generalisations about “modern mental health facilities”.
Been inside one, have you?
Put up or shut up….

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 2:13 pm
The Navy found they had too many officers and decided to offer an early retirement bonus. They promised any officer who volunteered for Retirement a bonus of $1,000 for every inch measured in a straight line between any Two points in his body.. The officer got to choose what those two points would be.

The first officer who accepted asked that he be measured from the top of his head to the tip of his toes. He was measured at six feet and walked out with a bonus of $72,000.

The second officer who accepted was a little smarter and asked to be measured from the tip of his outstretched hands to his toes. He walked Out with $96,000.

The third one was a non-commissioned officer, a grizzly old Chief who, when asked where he would like to be measured replied, ‘From the tip of my weenie to my testicles.’

It was suggested by the pension man that he might want to reconsider, explaining about the nice big cheques the previous two Officers had received.

But the old Chief insisted and they decided to go along with him providing the measurement was taken by a Medical Officer.

The Medical Officer arrived and instructed the Chief to ‘drop ‘em,’ which he did. The medical officer placed the tape measure on the tip of the Chief’s weenie and began to work back. “Dear Lord!”, he suddenly exclaimed, ”Where are your testicles?”

The old Chief calmly replied, ” Vietnam ”.

nic

16 Jan 13 at 2:14 pm
I see we have Catallaxians up to supporting machine guns in the hands of any Joe Public.

Can I get support for grenade launchers from anyone other than IT? They would be really, really handy for the time a whole posse of federal agents working for imaginary Hitler come to disarm your ranch.

steve from brisbane

16 Jan 13 at 2:16 pm
We can now say with absolute, incontrovertible accuracy that Barack Obama is personally responsible for the sale, distribution and ownership of more guns than anyone else in American history. And the state will NEVER get those guns back. EVER.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:17 pm
Steve you’re are just upset because I look down on your depraved lifestyle.

Infidel Tiger

16 Jan 13 at 2:18 pm
I’ve opened up a new open forum.

Sinclair Davidson

16 Jan 13 at 2:19 pm
New NRA anti-Obama ad is a cracker.

C.L.

16 Jan 13 at 2:20 pm
I’ve always fancied an M72, Steve. I’d need half a dozen at least, as they’re a single use weapon – Carl Gustav is a bit unwieldy…..
What sort of world do these wankers inhabit?

1735099

16 Jan 13 at 2:20 pm
To me that speaks volumes. They’ve gone at it directly before by attacking women’s right to choose, and now they’re going by the back door.

Is it just my little peurile mind, or can anyone else see the opportunity for a little play on words with this statement?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

16 Jan 13 at 2:21 pm
machine guns in the hands of any Joe Public.

I see what you did there!

should the American public, law abiding citizen subset, have the right to own fully automatic weapons?

Gunliars can’t help themselves.

Eddystone

16 Jan 13 at 2:22 pm
I just want to put something out there about free speech. With the recent publishing of gun owners names and addresses it has been suggested to me that the paper could be sued if someone happened to use this to commit a crime and this would be quite easy in the US apparently. Could or does this lead to another method of censorship?

I would argue it does and in a very significant manner. The paper published information that is publically available (after the authorities provided it). If we then extend some idea that a media organisation is responsible for any criminal activity due to the publication, this is censorship. There are many ways a criminal may use published information for example a rich list providing a list of possible targets. It can also mean that reporting corruption of the most serious kind could lead to being sued as reporting this could easily lead to the death of a suspected informant or killing of a law abiding citizen who might have gathered some of the information and gets found out.

Now just to lighten my comment publishing of Union Leaders and Labor Party officials could provide contacts for those criminally inclined.

The freedom of press index is not kind to the US in a relative sense.

kelly liddle

16 Jan 13 at 2:31 pm
JC bloody sinc banned me and i cant answer

Alice

16 Jan 13 at 8:18 pm
OK lets see if zi Have a name change if I can post?

Aliceinwondeland

16 Jan 13 at 8:19 pm

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