Now is not the time

There are two excellent articles today on the bush fires.

First we have Miranda Devine (HT: Keith):

WHENEVER a major bushfire catastrophe occurs in Australia, the victims are essentially told to shut up.

It happened after Victoria’s Black Saturday fires in 2009. It happened after the Canberra bushfires, 10 years ago on Friday. And it’s happening now in Tasmania.

“Now is not the time for that conversation,” says the Tasmanian Minister for Emergency Management, David O’Byrne, avoiding questions about why adequate hazard reduction burns were not done in cooler months to remove fuel from the path of inevitable summer fires.

Then we have Roger Franklin:

Excessive fuel loads feed massive fires? Don’t be silly, say those who count themselves in Nature’s corner! The past week’s infernos, as symptoms of global warming, are punishment for mankind’s sins, and the only cure is taxes, inflated electricity bills, restricted air travel and an international trade in certificates signifying ownership of nothing more tangible than tranches of thin air. In distant Britain, The Guardian’s reliably bizarre George Monbiot even managed to paint volunteer fireman Tony Abbott as an eco-arsonist.

As for reducing fuel levels with controlled, “cool” burns during spring and autumn, the cultists will always fight that tooth and nail, as they did for years in and around Nillumbik. A procession of fire experts visited the district and saw nothing but disaster in the making, but their reports and warnings were rejected by a council whose officers were busy ticketing residents for collecting fallen wood from the verges in front of their properties, amongst other offences against green goodness. Dare to cut down a tree, even on private land, and the fines were ruinous.

Both articles should be read in full.

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64 Responses to Now is not the time

  1. Poor Old Rafe

    I got the impression that the Green councils in the Victorian towns who were primarily responsible for the death toll got off virtually scot free in the inquiry.

    Hope the truth fares better this time.

  2. Brian of Moorabbin

    That is how the Green-Left avoid the scrutiny that they deserve… it is either ‘too soon’ to talk about the consequences of their ruinous policies, or ‘the time has passed and we should move on’…

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    Speaking of the Victorian Bushfires — how’s that rebuilding fund the Billy Shorten was responsible for going?

  4. Brian of Moorabbin

    how’s that rebuilding fund the Billy Shorten was responsible for going?

    According to the Victorian DHS Website:

    The Victorian Bushfire Appeal raised more than $395 million, including interest – making it the largest single charitable appeal in Australia’s history. Every cent is being used to support individuals and communities affected by the 2009 Victorian Bushfires.

    The Fund is now fully committed, with $314 million assisting affected individuals and families and about $81 million for community identified initiatives. More than $305 million has been disbursed so far, with more than 27,000 payments made.

    Haven’t heard anything in the media about it for quite some time (over 9+ months iirc) so… *shrug*

  5. C.L.

    What we need to see is those local councillors and Greenies going to jail. State governments should pass laws that make the banning of burn-offs an offence punishable by ten years imprisonment.

  6. Tiny Dancer

    Monbiot speaking about something he knows nothing about:

    He says he’s currently on standby with his local fire brigade, but as his opposition to effective action on climate change is likely to contribute to even more extreme events in the future, this looks like the most cynical kind of stunt politics.

    and shows what a deadshit he really is.

  7. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Amazing video in the Franklin article.

    In view of how many people died due to these vast fuel loads brought about by the greenfilth, it’s kind of surprising that no-one went out and put some of the councillors six feet under.

  8. Alice

    No

    ““Now is not the time for that conversation,” says the Tasmanian Minister for Emergency Management, David O’Byrne, avoiding questions about why adequate hazard reduction burns were not done in cooler months to remove fuel from the path of inevitable summer fires.”

    Translate that as “lets forget about that and move on”
    Meaning we did jck shit, we are not going to apologise and we are not going to do it.

    Im starting to agree with the shrink the government view because they do nothing useful with my money.

  9. Mk50 of Brisbane

    TD, a lot of Australians mobbed that article (me included) and shredded the little prick.

  10. Alice

    If the turth be known the government probably spent more getting “experts to write consulting reports to say hazard burn offs were not required” to cover their arses so no-one sued them in the event of a fire and they probably had a team of lawyers working on reports.

    Thats where all the money goes now.

  11. Louis Hissink

    The only way to stop this is to regain control of the local councils by throwing out the present councillors. This situation is simply the UN Agenda 21 in action. No conspiracy, just the people being blind sided by experts.

    The salariat are now in charge.

  12. blogstrop

    whether it’s Native Vegetation, Bitch-Faced Orange Parrots or the Lesser Mud-Wrestling Squeegee, humans are put second.
    Greens have to be put last.

  13. Tiny Dancer

    Mk – is that the one where they removed the “offending” comments?

  14. Mk50 of Brisbane

    TD: Here’s my contribution to Monbiot:

    FYI, poms: Black Thursday 1851: The year preceding the fires was exceptionally hot and dry and this trend continued into the summer of 1851. On Black Thursday, a northerly wind set in early and the temperature in Melbourne was reported to have peaked at 47.2 degrees C (117 degrees F) at 11:00am.
    Ships 20 miles out to sea came under ember slurry attack. 50,000 square kilometres burned.
    You people live on a rainy, soggy, ice-cold postage stamp. Seriously, you think 25 degrees is a scorcher. In Darwin, the locals are putting on jumpers when it gets that cold.
    We live on a whole continent. You don’t have any deserts. A million square miles of this joint (a third of it) is uninhabited desert. Everything’s different. I mean guys, you have completely weird trees that behave in bizarre ways (I mean, on normal trees the leaves stay on and the barks falls off. Yours do the opposite. Seriously, what’s up with that crap?)
    You have zero biodiversity. There are five times more species of plant in one square kilometre of Australian arid zone scrub than on your whole icy postage stamp. Oh, and most of the continent is not even explored in biodiversity terms. God knows what’s out there.
    Your postage stamp was buried under the ice yesterday and repopulated by biologicals this morning. Most of our biologicals evolved on Gondwanaland, then spent the next few tens of millions of years getting kinky.
    And you presume to tell us about our normal cycle of events here?
    Please.
    Reading through the comments, well, please do not emigrate here. The best of you did that last century and the one before, thanks very much. We know that only the dregs remained over there on Poverty Rock, we much prefer smart, hardworking, entrepreneurial, better educated Vietnamese, Filipinos, Cambodians, Straits and ROC Chinese as immigrants, thanks.

    While I probably will not bother again with the eurotrash (and Australian scum like Fran Barlow) who swarm their comments, there’s an art to daring to speak against the Guardian circlejerk.

    Essentially, you have to use turn-about is fair play and use the left-wing tactical manual. I suggest these standard left-wing tactics.

    1. Comment very late in the piece on the night before comments close. They tend not to waste moderator time deleting non-narrative supporting posts in closed threads.

    2. Seagull&Lie. You will easily be able to cluebat the uneducated mouth breathers who comment there, but avoid the temptation. They will simply memory hole the entire segment without trace. Make a polite, comprehensive comment and then say ‘gotta go, off to the meeting of the Communist party of Australia’.

    Other standard left-wing tactics it’s fair to use against them

    3. Sock puppets.

    4. Claiming to expertise you do not have.

    5. Pretending to be someone you are not.

    Now, I played there for 48 hours and got what I wanted, and won’t bother to go back. No time, no inclination, too many religious nutters.

  15. Brian of Moorabbin

    Looks like they removed all comments… I tried to click the “Follow Comments” link for the article, and got a blank page

  16. blogstrop

    Try this quick quiz:
    The good guy was Allende or Pinochet?
    Reagan or Gorbachov?
    Thatcher or Blair?
    Howard or Keating?
    Rudd or Howard?
    Rudd or Gillard?

  17. JC

    Strop

    To a leftie those would be considered trick questions.

  18. Brian of Moorabbin

    @Blog, here’s my answers (in order)

    Allende
    Reagan
    Thatcher
    Howard
    Howard
    The Knife…

    What do I win?

  19. The Old and Unimproved Dave

    Seems to me that a time is coming…no, the time is NOW!…that Australian voters will regard the Greens in the same way as Granny Clampett regarded ‘Revenuers’.

  20. Bruce

    Portugal planted lots of eucalypts, which fit their climate well.

    And the fires increased culminating in the deadly 2003 season.

    Eucalypts do this. If you don’t clean out the flammable shed bark and leaves you will get firestorms. Ask the Portuguese, they know. Now.

    Greens have tofu for brains and Stalinist hearts. What a great combination!

  21. Louis Hissink

    Pinochet, Reagan, Thatcher, Howard, Howard, and I’m lost for words for the last one.

  22. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “What we need to see is those local councillors and Greenies going to jail”

    I agree – even better is:

    “it’s kind of surprising that no-one went out and put some of the councillors six feet under”

    which is what they deserve. They are in the job to represent the people, nothing else. They didn’t, people died and lost substantial assets and in a normal world they’d be called to account.

    Senior officers too, but not like those who fronted the Find-Anna-Innocent-Flood-Enquiry up here. A concise recounting of their professional engineering advice was needed but they sat there blubbering and sobbing at the pressure for Pete’s sake. If they cannot cope as professionals with a barrister they shouldn’t be in roles upon which ordinary blokes rely. If they do not have the stomach to provide dispassionate advice to the councils they should seek other work reading meters or something.

    In days past the chief engineer was there to run that part of the show, and to thunder at stupid councillors when they deserved it.

    God help the ratepayers because no-one else did.

    The authorities hounded the James Hardie directors for years, over asbestos poisoning, and eventually ran them out of town. One wonders why the same didn’t happen to Nixon and the rest of the time servers from the last time that gerbil warmening and Tony Abbott lit bushfires.

    Brian of Moorabbin got it right at 8:29pm, I think:

    “That is how the Green-Left avoid the scrutiny that they deserve… it is either ‘too soon’ to talk about the consequences of their ruinous policies, or ‘the time has passed and we should move on’ “

  23. Bruce

    Neither, Reagan, Thatcher, Howard, Howard and the drover’s dog.

    Blogstrop how could you ask a question like the last one? Atilla or Genghis?

  24. Alice

    MK
    “While I probably will not bother again with the eurotrash (and Australian scum like Fran Barlow)

    On the latter I agree. The woman is self professed expert on everything and is quite mad. But Quiggin puts up with her endlessly, which only says something to me about him and his blog. Its nutty there.

  25. Token

    If it suits the Left’s latest crusade (e.g. Gun Control in the US) they will exploit the deaths of innocents with a shameless disregard for the relatives, but when their regressive reactionary policies causes deaths (e.g. 1000+ through the people smuggling racket they nurtured with organised criminals or bush fires its…

    …Now is not the time…(i.e. Shut Up!)

  26. cohenite

    The greens hate humanity.

    It’s that simple.

  27. Chris M

    So don’t just whine about the Greens that enabled these fires, hunt them down.

  28. cohenite

    hunt them down

    You mean with Statement of Claims, subpoenae and the like?

  29. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Weeeeellllll……

    The greenfilth profess to direct action. So they could hardly complain.

  30. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Not a death threat, BTW!

    Might be a horse-whipping threat I guess.

    :)

  31. Poor Old Rafe

    Extract from the summary of the Forests chapter in the book on Green Policies.

    The result of locking away forests which used to be productively used does not actually enhance their quality because that depends on good management… exotic plants move in, like lantana and bitou bush, likewise feral animals. Then fires consume the fuel that accumulates in the absence of controlled burning…The result is entirely predictable, like the mega fires of 2002-3. You could probably add the Victorian fires of recent memory.

    The mega fires introduce an element of destruction of soil, wildlife and trees that far exceeds the impact of fires that burned in the past under the management practices that keep the level of fuel in check.

    Thanks to the stranglehold on forest production we starve in the midst of plenty. Domestic wood production peaked in 2000. “We export wood products worth $2.3B and we import $4.5B with the gap widening. We tap the forest resources of areas of the world that have a far greater need for conservation than we do”.

    The Green policy on forests is an anachronism which produces several perverse effects – in conservation (the mega fires), in economics, in human enjoyment of the forests and the destruction of small rural communities…The Greens bear none of the costs of their failed policies.

  32. Lazlo

    Im starting to agree with the shrink the government view because they do nothing useful with my money.

    Welcome, Alice

  33. .

    The result of locking away forests which used to be productively used does not actually enhance their quality because that depends on good management… exotic plants move in, like lantana and bitou bush, likewise feral animals.

    Forests can cope with grazing. It’s actually a stupid idea not to in at least four ways:

    Less competition for ferals

    Greater fuel load

    Higher overall stock inputs

    Multiplier effects on regional economies

  34. Louis Hissink

    Well, I had to deal with some EPA types 12 years ago and they reckoned Australia was overstocked with people. I wonder if all these policies are actually deigned to force people off the land into the urban centres, a sort of destocking operation.

  35. Lazlo

    Miranda has it dead right, as usual.

    In Tassie the greens and ALP are falling over themselves to say they support hazard reduction. The real problem is getting a permit, which is required by law. This can take ages, while some totalitarian beureaucrats checks out if there are any endangered ants in the vicinity. By the time it comes through the safe window (winter, spring) for burn-off has passed. So, sorry, you can’t do it now.

    The greenslime have been using delaying tactics to stop projects they don’t like for years, around the world. They know it works.

    The green/left scum infestation of the bureaucracy in Australia is the real problem. There need to be mass sackings. Newman has recognised this in Qld.

  36. .

    The real problem is getting a permit, which is required by law. This can take ages, while some totalitarian beureaucrats checks out if there are any endangered ants in the vicinity.

    Animals don’t migrate away from a slow, controlled burn?

    The traditional owners must have a magnificent system of wildlife protection given the ferocity of uncontrolled bushfires with no fire brigade system.

  37. JC

    The greenslime are the new NAZIS. Absolutely evil.

  38. Mk50 of Brisbane

    The traditional owners must have a magnificent system of wildlife protection given the ferocity of uncontrolled bushfires with no fire brigade system.

    They did, Dot. Hence invention of the wood-and-tree-kangaroo-sinew heavy lift firefighting helicopter by the Egbeater blong jesus kris clan in the Cromwell ranges. Entrepreurial little buggers (90% of their bodymass was in the legs for obvious reasons) dominated Australasian aerial firefighting right through the Holocene for 35,000 years.

    They met a ghastly end, though.

    Poor sorry buggers… neighbouring clan developed greenies.

    The clan’s extinct now.

  39. Ignore their other lies:

    Number of controlled burns, there will be lots of tiny areas burnt in grass, not in forests where the deep fuel is which gets sucked into the air, superheated and blowtorched onto people some distance downwind.

    That arsonists light most fires, an ALPBC favourite, they don’t actually put out the summer fires any more, they let them burn for weeks on end until they get close to populated areas. They think this is ‘natural’.

    The bushfires services are mostly cleared out of local knowledgeable people and non-greens, who learn’t what to do from their ancestors, and before them the local Aboriginals.

    The various RFS bodies are now giant bureaucracies with credentialed professionals with valuable careers which can be withdrawn at short notice. For a microscopic fraction of what it costs to run one of those big helicopters we could have landscape scale cool burns in autumn or spring run by the locals who know their area and have a stake in the outcome but no interest in appearing on the television news after the cricket.

    All for the purpose of re-electing Trade Union Party local and state governments. Aren’t we lucky!

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    it’s kind of surprising that no-one went out and put some of the councillors six feet under.

    According to friends of mine in Tassie, the traditional favoured method of dispensing with unwanted persons was to throw them into a bag, put them on the boat, go out beyond the continental shelf, cut them to draw blood, and throw them overboard to the sharks. Nothing left to go six feet under then. No evidence either.

    Apparently a cultural meme. Rather like the one I was told about at Lightening Ridge (NSW) about throwing ‘rats’ down a disused miseshaft and then parking an old truck for a month on a piece of tin over the entrance: mine accident.

    I have no doubt that both these examples are apocryphal (in any contemporary sense anyway). But it shows that feelings run high about something when communities are outraged enough for these old memes to surface, even if in joke.

  41. Fisky

    The Greens must be locked up for this. They killed 200 Victorians in 2009 and have now caused more deaths. Labor are complicit and have form with killing people – at least 1,000 dead in boats. Both parties should be banned and imprisoned for several decades.

  42. H B Bear

    The Left loves the future.

    Has there ever been a government less able to run on its record than this current mob of deadbeat no hopers?

  43. Cold-Hands

    Well Fisky, you’ve got my vote.

  44. CarolK

    This kind of thing will continue to happen because most of the media continues to support the green agenda. People can be told to ‘shut up’ but that can only work if the media allows it. If the media want something exposed it will be. The eventual outcome won’t be any different this time.

  45. johno

    I heard that their ABC is planing to run Green propaganda on man made climate change all this week across all of their platforms.

    They really have no shame.

    They have to be held to account. It’s a shame that Turnbull will not do it.

  46. areff

    Forester: You’re right, they do let them burn. Five days before Black Saturday, when the weather was still cool-ish, a fire broke out in the Bunyip State Forest. CFA units responded but were told at the scene to pack up their stuff and go home. Because the fire was on state land, the CFA had no jurisdiction (the chaotic division of Victoria between three different fire services is part of the problem. Why is the COUNTRY Fire Authority responsible for high-rise fires in Dandenong? Because, in 1958 when the lines were drawn, suburban Melbourne stopped at Springvale Road).

    Anyway, the Bunyip fire “belonged” to the DSE (Dept. of Smoke and Embers), where the guiding philosophy said natural fires should be allowed to burn “naturally”. On Monday it was the size of a tennis court. Tuesday it was a soccer field. Wednesday, an Aussie Rules ground.

    By then the really hot weather had hit and the fire took off. Three weeks later and many, many thousands of hectares later, they finally put it out.

    I interviewed a cocky who was horribly burned on his property adjoining the state forest. By his estimate he was never any closer than 150 metres from the front, but the radiant heat from so much built-up fuel scorched the very scalp off his head.

    All of this from a fire than could have been put out by a single tanker on a cool Monday night.

    (Sinc, many thanks for the link to my Quadrant article)

  47. The ALPBC propaganda department were at it again this morning complaining about how those nasty commercial phone companies didn’t send the warning SMS messages to south coast NSW caravan park holidayers. The Greens want them packed up and sent home oit of their forests. Expect calls from the New Communists for a return to socialised telecommunications.

  48. Keith

    I heard that their ABC is planing to run Green propaganda on man made climate change all this week across all of their platforms.

    Sarah Clarke has commenced a five part series of bed wetting on the ABC website today. First installment – sea level rise. When Fisky locks up the greens, Sarah should be included. In fact she should be made to share a cell with Milne and Rhiannon. She’d get a good education on what communists mean by sharing and co-operation.

  49. areff

    I don’t want to dominate this thread with personal whining, but the way The Age reviewed my book, “Inferno”, sums up the treatment heretics can expect. The book is a sustained criticism of fire policies and the bureaucrats who value departmental protocols and green nostrums more than human life. One of its targets was Bruce Esplin, then Emergency Services Commissioner, who presided over a panel that looked into revising fire policies and preventive burning after the big “campaign” fires in the High Country. That panel, stacked with greens, advised that there was no real point in fuel-reduction burns because, in any one year, there would be a total of only 10 or 12 days when such burns are possible. Couldn’t burn in spring because little birds were nesting. Couldn’t burn in autumn because some other eco-process was taking place. It was BS on stilts, and I said as much in Inferno.

    So who does The Age get to review the book? A senior aide to Bruce Esplin! Worse, the paper never mentioned the reviewer’s affiliation, or that the reviewer and I had exchanged increasingly terse notes as I was writing and researching it. And instead of dealing with my book’s content, the reviewer dismissed it because I had once worked for a “tabloid” newspaper.

    The Age received some 30 letters of protest from the book’s supporters, mostly survivors (who copied me) from the Nillumbik area, but published only ten words from one of them — ten words that did not mention The Age’s conflict of interest.

    If Fairfax survives long enough to acquire a new owner, the very first reform should be to hire editors who put the facts and the story first, the ideology a distant second.

  50. cuckoo

    Nick McKim said recently:
    “The Greens, in all the history of our political party, have never opposed a fuel-reduction burn, ever,”

    So there. In other news, we have never been at war with Eastasia.

  51. Evcricket

    I just think it would be great if there was any evidence of your claim that the Greens are opposed to burning off. Or that there are Green councilors in the electorates where there were fires.

    Or do you just find it easier to say “something bad happened, it must be the Greens”?

    Links or STFU.

  52. Bruce

    Ev – from Devine’s article:

    “But what’s the point of that now when the hills and trees they told me I couldn’t burn off, because there were protected eagles and swift parrots there, are now all burned and the fire it created was so hot we had dead swans dropping out of the sky?”

    It’s really simple,” says Brian Williams, captain of the Kurrajong Heights bushfire brigade, a veteran of 44 years of firefighting, in one of the most extreme fire risk areas of Australia, on a ridge surrounded by 0.75 million hectares of overgrown national park between the Blue Mountains and Wollemi.

    “Fires run on fuel. Limited fuel means limited fire.”

    Green tape and heavy-handed bureaucracy has made his job harder today than in 28 years as captain. Rather than needing six people to perform a controlled burn in the cooler months, now 40 are involved, to oversee biodiversity and so on.

    Williams managed to conduct just two of the five hazard reduction burns he planned before this fire season.

    So the Greens insert green tape to make it too difficult and expensive to do enough burns, to ‘save’ endangered eagles and swift parrots, only to mash millions of endangered birds into bloody pulp using wind turbines? Without saving any CO2? Why are Greens such hypocrites?

  53. .

    Poor sorry buggers… neighbouring clan developed greenies.

    The clan’s extinct now.

    The sad thing is it’s still happening now…

  54. Keith

    I just think it would be great if there was any evidence of your claim that the Greens are opposed to burning off. Or that there are Green councilors in the electorates where there were fires.

    And you will post evidence where greens have supported hazard reduction burns and/or engaged in activism to ensure they happened?

  55. Evcricket

    Bruce, Miranda Devine’s assertions are not links to Green policy. Try again sport.

  56. blogstrop

    Gee, who will we want to take notice of, Phil Cheney the bushfire expert, or evcricket the weird beard?

  57. Bruce

    Ev – Let me see, a journalist quotes a farmer and a fire chief, both of which report on record their practical experience with green tape impeding their jobs for specious reasons and you ignore this?

    You are proving my case about green hypocrisy!

    How many birds and bats get sacrificed to the green ‘we must burn the village to save it’ attitude to environmentalism? Fortunately Orwell is dead or he’d have drowned in all the additional material provided by these new Stalinists.

  58. .

    Bruce, Miranda Devine’s assertions are not links to Green policy. Try again sport.

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

    Suck it up Ev.

  59. cohenite

    The book is a sustained criticism of fire policies and the bureaucrats who value departmental protocols and green nostrums more than human life

    .

    Where can I get a copy?

    Greens hate humans and are against back-burning. The situation in Victoria before 2009.

    As it was in NSW.

    The Nillumbik ratepayers sum up the position.

    Now we’ve got this fucking troll cricket rabbiting on defending the green scum; if he/she/it is so knowledgeable about the green scum’s poilicies about back-burning then what is that policy?

  60. Evcricket @ 8:59am

    I just think it would be great if there was any evidence of your claim that the Greens are opposed to burning off. Or that there are Green councilors in the electorates where there were fires.

    Volunteer for a country CFA branch and find out for yourself…

  61. Thumbnail

    Here is a link to real stories: about people who have been fined, persecuted, harassed, threatened or tossed into JAIL for the sin of clearing a fire break.

    http://passthetorchblog.wordpress.com/true-stories-fined-jailed-threatened/

    I am sure there are plenty more.

  62. cohenite

    Thank you for those Thumbnail.

    The greens are scum, no doubt.

  63. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Aaaawww, you guys!

    You got ahold of a genuine, rolled gold true believer greenfilth and squashed the stupid verminious anti-human filthball before I got in from work.

    grumblegrumblegrumbleyougotallthefungrumblegrumblegrumble

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