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	<title>Comments on: Rafe&#8217;s Roundup,  18 Jan climate collection</title>
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		<title>By: Dr Christine Finlay</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-754612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Christine Finlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 00:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The southern hemisphere&#039;s temperature data show the weather is definitely cooling except after the start of forest firestorms. After these fires get going, the mercury climbs into the 40s at Sydney&#039;s Observatory Hill near the Opera House. Ever-worsening firestorms started in the 1920s in Australia. AND, it was only then that Observatory Hill got temperatures in the 40s and only on the days after the fires started kicking out mammoth-hot walls of fire -1600 deg C. Firestorms put out the energy of around one Hiroshima bomb about every two square kilometres. Humans &amp; native fauna and flora do not stand a chance when fires burn this hot. 1100 deg C kills trees. These fires are so hot that without protective clothing,  you will die in a few minutes if you are 120m away. Records at Observatory Hill began began in 1859 and it is only after the policy changes resulting in high fuel loads in 1919 that the trend for firestorms began. It is a Green self-fulfilling prophecy. The GW lobby has a lot to lose so is fighting to the very last man, woman and child, pity about the rest of us and all the numbats, bilbies and pygmy possums getting in the way. The Green/Labor GW lobby has attracted considerable investment in carbon trading and large amounts of money hang in the balance if the truth gets out until GW loses credibility enough for these investments to go under. Also hanging in the balance is a lot of jobs for Greens and Labor political apparatchiks. Strangely, firestorms&#039; incineration of the bush puts somewhere approaching the nation&#039;s carbon footprint into the air in one hit. The high levels of carbon (as opposed to CO2) cause wild weather, which is just what happens after firestorms and the Greens start pointing to this weather as proof of GW. Then the vast tracts of incinerated bush become rainshadows, and bring drought and hotter days because blackened ground absorbs heat. It gives the appearance of GW, and that old tradition of well evidenced communication falls by the wayside. GW apparatchiks need firestorms, it may be their last hope to convince the public, by making it appear true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The southern hemisphere&#8217;s temperature data show the weather is definitely cooling except after the start of forest firestorms. After these fires get going, the mercury climbs into the 40s at Sydney&#8217;s Observatory Hill near the Opera House. Ever-worsening firestorms started in the 1920s in Australia. AND, it was only then that Observatory Hill got temperatures in the 40s and only on the days after the fires started kicking out mammoth-hot walls of fire -1600 deg C. Firestorms put out the energy of around one Hiroshima bomb about every two square kilometres. Humans &amp; native fauna and flora do not stand a chance when fires burn this hot. 1100 deg C kills trees. These fires are so hot that without protective clothing,  you will die in a few minutes if you are 120m away. Records at Observatory Hill began began in 1859 and it is only after the policy changes resulting in high fuel loads in 1919 that the trend for firestorms began. It is a Green self-fulfilling prophecy. The GW lobby has a lot to lose so is fighting to the very last man, woman and child, pity about the rest of us and all the numbats, bilbies and pygmy possums getting in the way. The Green/Labor GW lobby has attracted considerable investment in carbon trading and large amounts of money hang in the balance if the truth gets out until GW loses credibility enough for these investments to go under. Also hanging in the balance is a lot of jobs for Greens and Labor political apparatchiks. Strangely, firestorms&#8217; incineration of the bush puts somewhere approaching the nation&#8217;s carbon footprint into the air in one hit. The high levels of carbon (as opposed to CO2) cause wild weather, which is just what happens after firestorms and the Greens start pointing to this weather as proof of GW. Then the vast tracts of incinerated bush become rainshadows, and bring drought and hotter days because blackened ground absorbs heat. It gives the appearance of GW, and that old tradition of well evidenced communication falls by the wayside. GW apparatchiks need firestorms, it may be their last hope to convince the public, by making it appear true.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-709040</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rafe, do not be too quick off the mark on looking again.

someone I know was initially diagnosed as a heart attack. Then the doctors decided it was not. There were many tests and reviews of the heart imagery.

After looking at the heart images one last time before his discharge after 10 days in hospital, the doctors worked out it was a thickening of the heart wall.

That programme House has some basis in doctors being detectives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rafe, do not be too quick off the mark on looking again.</p>
<p>someone I know was initially diagnosed as a heart attack. Then the doctors decided it was not. There were many tests and reviews of the heart imagery.</p>
<p>After looking at the heart images one last time before his discharge after 10 days in hospital, the doctors worked out it was a thickening of the heart wall.</p>
<p>That programme House has some basis in doctors being detectives.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim wrote, a day or two ago &quot;I should add that my dad was a doctor. One reason he became a GP was he was good at diagnosis. Some are better than others at solving riddles.&quot;

When I was in health services research I saw a very interesting paper which reported a negative relationship between good diagnosis and the number of questions or &quot;readings&quot; that the doctor used.

My Popperian interpretation was that the good ones very quickly identify the ball park and then ask questions or get information that rapidly eliminate whole clusters of candidates. Less confident diagnosticians will ask questions that only duplicate information already in hand and so don&#039;t eliminate any contenders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim wrote, a day or two ago &#8220;I should add that my dad was a doctor. One reason he became a GP was he was good at diagnosis. Some are better than others at solving riddles.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I was in health services research I saw a very interesting paper which reported a negative relationship between good diagnosis and the number of questions or &#8220;readings&#8221; that the doctor used.</p>
<p>My Popperian interpretation was that the good ones very quickly identify the ball park and then ask questions or get information that rapidly eliminate whole clusters of candidates. Less confident diagnosticians will ask questions that only duplicate information already in hand and so don&#8217;t eliminate any contenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-706069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rafe, any international experts panel is political in nature. Nurse should know that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe, any international experts panel is political in nature. Nurse should know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-705875</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;When politics becomes the &lt;strong&gt;cause&lt;/strong&gt; of belief you are heading toward collective insanity.&quot;

Yes, as demonstrated by the IPCC-driven scam of climate alarmism.

Laframbose pointed out that all the IPCC leadership is politically appointed, then they recruit the scientists and ecological activists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When politics becomes the <strong>cause</strong> of belief you are heading toward collective insanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, as demonstrated by the IPCC-driven scam of climate alarmism.</p>
<p>Laframbose pointed out that all the IPCC leadership is politically appointed, then they recruit the scientists and ecological activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-705755</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Probably a very valid argument for one place in which democracy should be limited.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is Christopher Robert and Richard Zeckhauser‘s taxonomy of disagreement:

Positive disagreements can be over questions of: 
1.	Scope: what elements of the world one is trying to understand 
2.	Model: what mechanisms explain the behaviour of the world 
3.	Estimate: what estimates of the model’s parameters are thought to obtain in particular contexts 

Values disagreements can be over questions of: 
1.	Standing: who counts 
2.	Criteria: what counts 
3.	Weights: how much different individuals and criteria count 

Any positive analysis will tend to include elements of scope, model, and estimation, though often these elements intertwine; they frequently feature in an implicit or undifferentiated manner. 

Likewise, normative analysis will also include elements of standing, criteria, and weights, whether or not these distinctions are recognized.

science fits in in a small way in this taxonomy and the weight given to its advice is a political question]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Probably a very valid argument for one place in which democracy should be limited.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is Christopher Robert and Richard Zeckhauser‘s taxonomy of disagreement:</p>
<p>Positive disagreements can be over questions of:<br />
1.	Scope: what elements of the world one is trying to understand<br />
2.	Model: what mechanisms explain the behaviour of the world<br />
3.	Estimate: what estimates of the model’s parameters are thought to obtain in particular contexts </p>
<p>Values disagreements can be over questions of:<br />
1.	Standing: who counts<br />
2.	Criteria: what counts<br />
3.	Weights: how much different individuals and criteria count </p>
<p>Any positive analysis will tend to include elements of scope, model, and estimation, though often these elements intertwine; they frequently feature in an implicit or undifferentiated manner. </p>
<p>Likewise, normative analysis will also include elements of standing, criteria, and weights, whether or not these distinctions are recognized.</p>
<p>science fits in in a small way in this taxonomy and the weight given to its advice is a political question</p>
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		<title>By: m0nty</title>
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		<dc:creator>m0nty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, Louis is still pushing the abiotic oil crank theory. Kutcherov is still a clown and his papers mean nothing without proven discoveries of reserves. Shale oil has solved the problem for the time being.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Louis is still pushing the abiotic oil crank theory. Kutcherov is still a clown and his papers mean nothing without proven discoveries of reserves. Shale oil has solved the problem for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-705720</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Calls for no more politicized science are an argument against democracy. Both the Left and Right do it – everything from GMOs and nuclear energy to evolution.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably a very valid argument for one place in which democracy should be limited.

Science and religion are both belief systems, so politics and democracy should be the result of belief, not the other way around. When politics becomes the &lt;b&gt;cause&lt;/b&gt; of belief you are heading toward collective insanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Calls for no more politicized science are an argument against democracy. Both the Left and Right do it – everything from GMOs and nuclear energy to evolution.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably a very valid argument for one place in which democracy should be limited.</p>
<p>Science and religion are both belief systems, so politics and democracy should be the result of belief, not the other way around. When politics becomes the <b>cause</b> of belief you are heading toward collective insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-7/#comment-705716</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rafe, The disarmingly amiable Sir Paul Nurse is an expert in genetics, not climatology. 

For some reason, his meeting with Professor Fred Singer was in a coffee shop to discuss his view how temperature fluctuations correlated better with solar activity than with levels of CO2.

those Nurse agreed were met at their NASA office and were allowed to use many TV screens on a big wall showing actual and predicted global cloud cover as props.

The worst part was when he said FOI requests are “a tool to intimidate some scientists”. They should have put the data on their web site to save on the compliance costs of democratic accountability. I thought releasing data was central to replication? 

Calls for no more politicized science are an argument against democracy. Both the Left and Right do it – everything from GMOs and nuclear energy to evolution.

His 2012 Dimbleby lecture is at http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/people/fellows/2012-02-29-Dimbleby.pdf where he calls for a re-opening the debate about GM crops based on scientific facts and analysis:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We need to consider what the science has to say about risks and benefits, uncoloured by commercial interests and ideological opinion. 

It is not acceptable if we deny the world’s poorest access to ways that could help their food security, if that denial is based on fashion and ill-informed opinion rather than good science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sound fellow in his own area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rafe, The disarmingly amiable Sir Paul Nurse is an expert in genetics, not climatology. </p>
<p>For some reason, his meeting with Professor Fred Singer was in a coffee shop to discuss his view how temperature fluctuations correlated better with solar activity than with levels of CO2.</p>
<p>those Nurse agreed were met at their NASA office and were allowed to use many TV screens on a big wall showing actual and predicted global cloud cover as props.</p>
<p>The worst part was when he said FOI requests are “a tool to intimidate some scientists”. They should have put the data on their web site to save on the compliance costs of democratic accountability. I thought releasing data was central to replication? </p>
<p>Calls for no more politicized science are an argument against democracy. Both the Left and Right do it – everything from GMOs and nuclear energy to evolution.</p>
<p>His 2012 Dimbleby lecture is at <a href="http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/people/fellows/2012-02-29-Dimbleby.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/people/fellows/2012-02-29-Dimbleby.pdf</a> where he calls for a re-opening the debate about GM crops based on scientific facts and analysis:</p>
<blockquote><p>We need to consider what the science has to say about risks and benefits, uncoloured by commercial interests and ideological opinion. </p>
<p>It is not acceptable if we deny the world’s poorest access to ways that could help their food security, if that denial is based on fashion and ill-informed opinion rather than good science.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sound fellow in his own area.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/18/rafes-roundup-18-jan-climate-collection/comment-page-6/#comment-705321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;unless we are going into a cooling cycle&lt;/blockquote&gt;

why the lack of drum-beat about a next ice age? can&#039;t blame humanity for it, I suppose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>unless we are going into a cooling cycle</p></blockquote>
<p>why the lack of drum-beat about a next ice age? can&#8217;t blame humanity for it, I suppose.</p>
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