Mark Dreyfus – hypocrite

Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne on Sunday said the federal government was unravelling like Hitler’s government in the movie Downfall.

“These immature and offensive comments have no place in Australian political debate,” Mr Dreyfus told journalists on Sunday.

“There is no place in Australian political debate for a comparison of any Australian government with Hitler’s Third Reich.

“These comments are deeply hurtful to holocaust survivors, they are deeply hurtful to any right thinking Australian.”

Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

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82 Responses to Mark Dreyfus – hypocrite

  1. Free Advice

    What a bad start to a ministerial career.
    My part in her downfall.
    End Days indeed.

  2. tbh

    Is there no end to the stupidity and lack of self-awareness in these people?

  3. JamesK

    Dreyfus should have it all.

    Tall, handsome, a fine voice and a QC no less.

    He should be future PM material.

    Fortunately for conservatives he’s amazingly unintelligent and with no leadership abilities.

    He also regularly likes to confirm/demonstrate that he’s an arsewipe.

    His role as AG even if only for 7 months will I predict be deemed notorious in due time.

  4. Rabz

    Mr Dick Head said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

    All together now:

    It’s different when they do it, because, Shut Up!

  5. Chez

    Mark Dreyfus is in some ways worse than Roxon! He is just as hypocritical and sarcastic and even more tyrannical in his thinking than Roxon! He frightens me more!

  6. Skuter

    There is no place in Australian political debate for a comparison of any Australian government with Hitler’s Third Reich.

    Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

    Sinc, the obvious difference is that Dr Drey was criticising a Coalition opposition not a Labor government. More than ever, this proves we need Nanny Roxon’s visionary laws…/sarc off

  7. Skuter

    Only a QC could square that circle…

  8. Gab

    A quick trip through Hansard (after I saw the Pyne story earlier and knew what would be forthcoming from the hypocrites in Labor) today revealed the holier-than-thou Labor then in opposition associating Howard et al with Hitler’s campaign of exterminating Jews. Day after day this went on and why? Howard’s Pacific Solution.

    So, Mr AG of short memory fame, when you and Labor can stand up and say never ever have any of you labeled/associated the Liberals with Hitler and the Nazi raison d’etre, then and only then can you criticize Pyne. In which case, just shut the eff up and try to find some manner of dignity, in these dying days of Labor power, as clearly honesty and Labor are not yet acquainted.

  9. JamesK

    He frightens me more!

    He shouldn’t.

    Roxon is altogether more dangerous.

    She’s politically adept; he’s regularly a clown.

  10. Amfortas

    Hypocrit? Of course. He now presides over a system that calls for YOU to tell the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. It does not apply to him. He’s a JuLIAR man.

  11. Oh come on

    What a prize duffer. Clearly he’s trying to prove he can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the rest of the talent on the front bench. Mission accomplished.

  12. entropy

    I made the mistake of watching Q&A once with Dreyfus on.
    It was at the time of the Malaysian solution and he declared they couldn’t consider Nauru because it was not a signatory to the refugee convention. Nobody, including the liberal party babe (from Costello’s old seat?) picked him up on the fact that Malaysia isn’t either.

  13. entropy

    Meanwhile, I can’t wait for the youtube mashups!

  14. H B Bear

    If Gillard was a Nazi they’d still be looking for Poland.

  15. Dexter Rous

    Like so many who hail from a minority, he carrioes a chip on his shoulder. That is why we should never be controlled someone who belongs to any section of the community that can claim to have been persecuted in the past.And whilst on the subject of the Jewish faith and Roxon’s evil efforts to stymie free speech;

    It is utterly astonishing to find where in the world the freedom to express one -self is currently under attack, and just who is involved in the legal onslaugt against these long –held freedoms.
    Eighty years ago, the rising power of Fascism in Europe was facilitated to a major extent by totalitarian regimes ability to strictly control what their populations could read in the papers and hear over the radio. Not only was freedom to tell the truth about fascism suppressed, but this control permitted evil propaganda to be broadcast. This manipulation of the media was one reason for the ultimate solution; the extermination of all those deemed to be enemies of the Reich. The Holocaust was unleashed, but the lack of a free press meant that no-one knew what was going on; or if they did they were too frightened to speak out.
    Currently, the attacks on the Freedom of speech are prevalent in Australia, Britain and Canada. These three Nations suffered nearly 600,000 fatal casualties in their endeavours to successfully destroy Fascism in Europe. Sadly too late to save some 6,000,000 Jews, but nonetheless a terrible price in the lives of young Australian, Canadian and British men and women.
    You would think perhaps that the very last people to defend the suppression of free speech would be those who had suffered most grievously from press censorship in Nazi Europe.
    But astonishingly we find that Justices and Barristers and now a government Representative from Jewish backgrounds are at the forefront in removing freedoms of speech; the very sons of the generation that experienced the horrors of the Holocaust. How in the name of humanity could this happen? Why is not Jewry standing tall and saying “Enough! Our sons will not support of this infamy”
    Ray Finkelstein, Ron Merkel and Mordecai Bromberg and now Michael Danby in Australia , together with Brian Leveson in Britain should be asking themselves some hard questions. As should the Australian Labor Party that is hell bent on emulating the excesses of European Totalitarianism by pursuing censure of the Press and maintaining the iniquitous Section 18c of the vilification law.
    And now…tara… we have Mark Dreyfus as Attorney General

  16. Leigh Lowe

    I think the Nazis would be offended by the comparison.

  17. Perhaps I was wrong to suggest that we were now in Hitler meme mode.

    Hogan’s Heroes is more this mob’s standard.

  18. jupes

    Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

    How Mr Dreyfus? How were they different?

    Did any journalist think to ask that question.

  19. Andrew

    Pyne needs to stop over reaching with his attacks…silly comment.

  20. Alfonso

    Does Marky think my large number of Tradie associates aren’t going to see his comrade wall bouncing for what it is? I’ll let him know the poll results.
    Silly boy.
    His genre has no idea how they excite Lowrance colour BS detectors on the street. The deep hatred of Labor won’t be bought with cheques in the mail this time good buddies.

    Ur fucked.

  21. Fisky

    I agree it would have been better if Pyne had not made the comment, but having made it, he must not apologise. Instead, he should bring up all the Labor comparisons of Howard with the Third Reich and rub their noses in it. Mark Dreyfus must be made to explain whether he objected when Paul Keating compared Howard to Hitler.

  22. Honesty

    I think Dreyfus should resign and join Craig Thompsons defence team he would fit in perfectly and help secure a great result.

  23. Hugh

    “Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.”

    How self-aware is this guy? I thought only women could get away with that argument.

  24. Splatacrobat

    If Gillard’s Government is in Downfall mode does that make Emmerson Steiner?

  25. Honesty

    No it’s Hogan Heros and Emmo is Sgt Shultz. When he flatted with Thommo did he ever get the benefit of Thommos credit card, is that a fair question?

  26. Iren

    Dexter, I think I can answer your question. Jews lived in situations of virulent, state sanctioned anti-Semitism all over Europe for many years, even before Hitler, which every so often it boiled over into violence. I can well understand their reluctance to tolerate and sensitivity towards any slur based on religion (which Christopher Pine’s comment wasn’t, but that’s another point).

    I completely agree with your argument that the best possible protection is freedom of speech but with that history its not hard to understand their point of view, however misguided it may be.

  27. Des Deskperson

    Maybe someone should ask Dreyfus what he thinks of the Government’s decision to abstain on – rather than to oppose – the UN vote to make Palestine a non – member observer state at the UN.

  28. jupes

    If Gillard’s Government is in Downfall mode does that make Emmerson Steiner?

    I actually don’t think comparing the Nazi and Rudd/Gillard governments is valid. (Who is Steiner BTW?) There is no one in the Nazis to compare with Emmo. I mean Goering may have ended his life as a buffoon, but he was a fighter ace during WW1. What was Emmo’s claim to fame? Rooting Gillard?

    And even though you could argue, as I think Pyne does, that the Nazis were utterly delusional and in freefall by the time of Downfall, there was a time in the late thirties / early forties when they were competent. Evil but competent.

    The Rudd/Gillard circus have never been remotely competent.

  29. JamesK

    Pyne needs to stop over reaching with his attacks…silly comment.

    Rubbish.

    The Downfall scene is the most used scene on the Internet to characterise a disaster.

    It’s famous for just that.

    One had Hitler being Obama screaming about his fellow Dems stupidity when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s seat to prevent Obamacare being passed by the Senate in a form that supposedly could be reconciled with the House Bill

  30. Rabz

    Who is Steiner BTW?

    A nayzee general that hitler believed was going to lead a phantom army to relieve Berlin.

    Needless to say, he and his army never made it.

    The rest is history…

  31. Gab

    What a prize duffer. Clearly he’s trying to prove he can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the rest of the talent on the front bench. Mission accomplished.

    He’s in a new job, he’s sniffed around and now marked his territory.

  32. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Look, give the poor bastard a break.

    He’s a third rate hack promoted three or four grades past his competence in a staggeringly cack-handed, collapsing government run into the ground by a deranged ranga, in a party run for personal profit by thieving union thugs.

    he himself is an inept self-beclowning buffoon who is completely convinced that he’s a genius. And he is surrounded by an ocean of sycophantic suckholes who all believe their own bullsh*t.

    [Let's not spoil an otherwise excellent rant. Sinc]

  33. stackja

    Émile Zola’s “J’Accuse” mentioned an earlier Dreyfus. Will we now get to the point that any criticism of this Dreyfus is termed antisemitism? Since all so-called minorities are catered for. When will we get a Catholic minister? Not the pretend ones Emily allows. Or is that different again. And we will continue to worship Moloch.

  34. Honesty

    MK50 sorry you are wrong on this, you are too supportive of this government, you need to call a spade a spade and Dreyfus is a rolled gold fuckwit.

  35. Wiseone

    Dexter Rous you’ve nailed it. The Jewish lobby should be strenuously advocating against the type of censorship of viewpoint envisaged by Roxon. Nothing could be more disastrous for a free country than enacting legislation which seeks to penalise conduct which merely offends in the eyes of an offendee. It’s an outrageous proposition.

    Many people are offended by bad body odour. Should being smelly be an offense? What about the sight of a huge elderly man/woman in speedos/tight bikini? What about jovial anecdotes? These are but a few of the numerous examples of potentially (depending on your nature) offensive sights and speech but they’re tolerated because we live in a (supposedly) free society. Manners are a matter of choice not law!

  36. Walter Plinge

    …Nazis were utterly delusional and in freefall by the time of Downfall, there was a time in the late thirties / early forties when they were competent.

    Not even then. The Nazis always were hopeless politically and managerially. Infighting and incompetence were their weaknesses. Propaganda was their only forte.

  37. That’s interesting, MK50 of Brisbane. Now tell us what you really think of Dreyfus … [chortle chortle]

  38. Rousie

    If Gillard was a Nazi they’d still be looking for Poland.

    But at least the Allies would have got 7 months notice.

  39. Andrew

    Rubbish.

    The Downfall scene is the most used scene on the Internet to characterise a disaster.

    It’s famous for just that.

    One had Hitler being Obama screaming about his fellow Dems stupidity when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s seat to prevent Obamacare being passed by the Senate in a form that supposedly could be reconciled with the House Bill

    I understand the humour in it but the media were always going to be hysterical about it. No need to give Labor any ammo to attack the Liberals. Pyne can be known to make such comments.

  40. Tom

    Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

    Dreyfus is a piece of human garbage, IMO, and his hypocrisy is beyond belief, but Pyne is an idiot for not anticipating that the lapdog media, including the commercial electronic media like the Nine Network this evening, would side with the government and ignore the hypocrisy because they do not consider themselves beholden to the concepts of fairness or balance.

    They are openly barracking for a sitting government even though it is hugely unpopular and a majority of voters plan to vote for the opposition. This abandonment of ethics is unprecedented.

  41. brc

    Hey I think you invented a new Internet meme.

    If Gillard were a nazi…. She would have rang the Turkish ambassador to declare war on Poland.

    If Gillard were a nazi….the Atlantic wall defenses would have passed 1% of shoreline in 2.5 years, but the French puppet government would have declared it ready

    If Gillard were a nazi….Volkswagen would have taken public money then fired its workers

  42. Mark

    Well he can make it illegal – Roxon already has the drafts and he took offense. Go on son. Make it illegal you protector of decency you.

    These imbeciles can’t help themselves.

  43. If Gillard were a Nazi … her government would have immediately passed ‘reform’ legislation ensuring that no ‘politically unreliable’ people held jobs in the public service or any aspect of public and/or civil life.

    Bolt trial – Finkelstein Review – Anti-Discrimination Bill, anyone?

  44. Aliice

    Yes I would like to know why it appears to be unravelling – it couldnt be the distate at unethically protecting the likes of Thommo and Slipper could it, to protect a precious minority?.

  45. Pickles

    If Gillard wuz a nazi her nickname would be Blondi.

  46. candy

    C.Pyne made a dumb remark, the Hitler thing never goes down well.

  47. Honesty

    Dreyfus looks and acts like Basil Fawlty so dont mention the war.

  48. min

    Sophie Mirabella made mincemeat of him on Q&A debate
    re manufacturing in his electorate He is full of his own self importance

  49. C.L.

    Pyne to Dreyfus: Fuck You.

    He said it was Mr Dreyfus who should say sorry over his Goebbels comments: ‘As a Jew, he should be ashamed of himself and apologise.’

    http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=842146

  50. candy

    It’s very childish and c. Pyne should know better – also conservatives cannot say jokes like that, it gets magnified by the media.

  51. C.L.

    Don;t be silly, Candy.

    Pyne was referring to the famous Downfall genre of YouTube send-ups.

    Here’s one of the best:

    Kevin Rudd’s Downfall

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bMXVA9qj5I

  52. Gab

    Mr Dreyfus defended his own comment saying it was a well known term in relation to modern propaganda theory to refer to Goebellian.’

    Yes and what Pyne said is a well known term known as Downfallian.

  53. candy

    Yeah,CL, i know the Downfall video, it’s one of the cleverest funniest political ones I’ve ever seen on Youtube.
    But Mr Pyne has got bad press for Hitler comparison and election is around the corner.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Lets look at the scorecard dispassionately:-
    Nazis …..
    Policies ….. 1 out of 10
    Effectiveness of Implementation …… 8 out of 10

    Federal Labor ……
    Policies ….. 1 out of 10
    Effectiveness of Implementation …. 1 out of 10

  55. Lazlo

    It is going to be wonderful. Dreyfus has a mouth that can accommodate an entire shoe shop. Roll on ’13 and Labor annihilation.

    Jack Hughes

  56. tbh

    Off to a great start isn’t he. This is what happens when you scrape the bottom of the barrel in your party room. He could well be the gift that keeps giving for the Coalition.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    This abandonment of ethics is unprecedented.

    You are right Tom.

    It has been, and still is, a Groupthink of unprecedented proportions in the media and arts. Viva the few who question and expose. The very few.

    I think it will be like seventies fashions. In the future people will look back on this period and say – how on earth could they not have seen what they looked like? How could they not have recognised what foolishness they embraced?

    Except, sadly, it won’t be about clothing but the things in life we cherish most – our freedoms and our decency.

  58. JC

    Pyne’s comment is funny.

    Dryfus is a hypocritical twat.

  59. Up The Workers!

    Last week we had Ricola Noxious as the A.L.P.’s chief law officer and official mis-placer of all incriminating legal documents relating to Juliar Gillard’s former dodgy activities.

    This week we have the comical Mark Doofus from Ashton’s Circus.

    Could the A.L.P. restore a measure of dignity to this high office and appoint Anthony Mundine to the job as NEXT week’s A.L.P. Attorney General?

    Mundine knows bugger-all about the legal system, but hey, we’re talking about a “government” that appointed Wayne Swan as Federal Treasurer!

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    also conservatives cannot say jokes like that, it gets magnified by the media.

    As usual, Candy makes the point in very clear terms from the streetview. Tone should hire her for her accuity. We may discuss the finer points but Joe and Jill Blow won’t. Comments such as Pyne’s can and will be spun into disrepute by a shamelessly partisan media. The latest Newspoll is obviously heartening, but let us walk softly in the meantime.

  61. blind freddy

    “But astonishingly we find that Justices and Barristers and now a government Representative from Jewish backgrounds are at the forefront in removing freedoms of speech; the very sons of the generation that experienced the horrors of the Holocaust–etc”
    I agree Dexter
    You could include Ms Roxon (Ropschitz)

  62. Splatacrobat

    If Gillard was a Nazi she would have built Bomb Escape Rooms (BER for short) in every school…..in the attics.

  63. Splatacrobat

    If Labor were Nazis the UBoats would never have sunk a single Ton of shipping. Collins class Uboats would have spent most of the war laid up in Le Havre for repairs.

  64. Infidel tiger

    If Nicola Roxon were a Nazi I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

  65. Gab

    If Labor were Nazis the Allies wouldn’t have to bomb the place due to the pink batts scheme.

  66. Splatacrobat

    If Labor were Nazis they would have given every school student an Enigma machine……without the codes.

  67. Splatacrobat

    If Emmo was a Nazi he would have explained Kristallnacht as being part of the Government’s stimulus package for the glass industry.

  68. squawkbox

    If Labor were Nazis Tony Abbott would be blamed for the Holocaust.

  69. Oh come on

    I have to say that I think Candy’s correct. Pyne should have been more cautious, as it’s pretty clear how this kind of thing is going to be spun. Do you think the average punter in Oz has even seen the movie Downfall, let alone are aware that a scene from it is an internet meme known only to online political junkies – perhaps 1% of the population?

    This reminds me of the hysteria that surrounded Gina Rinehart’s comment about how the Australian mining industry is competing with companies in nations where they pay workers $2 a day, so we need to keep our costs under control. I know that she was making a valid point, and that hindsight is 20/20, but when you start making comparisons between Australian workers and people in other countries who can earn as little as $2 a day, it’s bleedin’ obvious how the odious turds on the left are going to spin it – billionaire claims Aussie battlers should be paid $2 a day! That shit sells. It doesn’t matter that Rinehart was actually playing defence and blocking a shot at goal with a reasonable argument – the referee ruled it as an own-goal anyway and the crowd and viewing audience at large were all too keen to along with it.

    Rinehart – and Pyne – should have known better. Sure, it’s not fair and it’s a double standard, but what are you going to do about it?

  70. nilk

    Dexter @7.05pm, regarding why on earth the ALP would be so controlling of free speech, all you need to do is read the ALP Constitution (pdf). Especially the objectives.

    The bit about the “commitment to and participation in the international democratic socialist movement as
    represented by the Socialist International” is enlightening.

  71. Alfonso

    Young Mark does DoubleThink to perfection.

  72. 81Alpha

    If Gillard was a Nazi we’d all have to listen to her constantly shouting “Hoil Moy!”

  73. Rabz

    If Labor were Nazis, Chamberlain woul have returned from Munich waving a piece of paper and proclaiming “Who gives a shit – what a bunch of numpties”.

  74. Louis Hissink

    As a former member of the libs, shooting oneself in the foot is standard practice for them, whether state or federal.

  75. jupes

    The Nazis always were hopeless politically and managerially.

    No. They were good enough politically to get themselves elected. Then they made sure that they stayed there.

    Infighting and incompetence overconfidence were their weaknesses.

    Propaganda was their only forte.

    FTFY

  76. C.L.

    Not really, Cold-Hands.

    Pyne is just playing a new angle – and it’s a good one.

    He has called on Mr Dreyfus, who is Jewish, to apologise for comments he made in 2011, in which he likened Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s campaign against the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda.

    “To call Tony Abbott Joseph Goebbels two years ago and not to apologise was an outrageous and sick thing to do and he should apologise for that,” Mr Pyne said.

    “I’m bigger than Mark Dreyfus, he can’t apologise.

    “Two years later he’s still clinging to the idea that he was right and I’m quite happy to retract that statement if it clears the air. Mark Dreyfus should do the same.”

    But Mr Dreyfus says his comment was quite different, because it was “very specific and targeted” to the propaganda techniques.

  77. Tintarella di Luna

    Pyne has retracted his comment.

    I am glad he didn’t apologise — there are men and mice dressed as men and Dreyfus is the latter. Such a world of difference between comic chaos being called for what it is and the nasty targetted insult to Tony Abbott. But shuddupp.

  78. Token

    But Mr Pyne has got bad press for Hitler comparison and election is around the corner.

    Yes, Labor is being successful in its plans to outlaw all humour, no matter how harmless.

    Seriously, why wasn’t Dreyfus just laughed at by journalists for suggesting holocaust survivors would care less about anyone referring to the Downfall video?

  79. Leigh Lowe

    But astonishingly we find that Justices and Barristers and now a government Representative from Jewish backgrounds are at the forefront in removing freedoms of speech;

    Except for Justice Field-Marshal Sir Marcus Einfeld KCMG, DSO, VC and Bar.
    He was quite keen to advance the right to speed with impunity.

  80. Druid

    Did anyone see this guy Dreyfus on the 7:30 reports last night with Tony Jones, Dreyfus was such a joke that I thought it was a skit from Monty Python. Obvious replacement for the dumb Roxen. The guy is obviously well backgrounded and well qualified but not the sharpest tool in the shed! He was contradictory, hypocritical and illogical and I wouldn’t want him as my barrister. Probably why he’s gone into government services.

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