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		<title>By: William Bragg</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-2/#comment-719527</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bragg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Yobbo: That some private media firms are &#039;thriving&#039; does not mean that subsidy is not required. The public good aspects of the ABC are associated with the nature of the content provided. Private incentive do not lead to optimal content, due to various market failure issues.

Dear Moron: Even if I were to lack the &#039;wit, wisdom and nous&#039; to cut it as a serious commentator in most fora, fortunately I am posting on Catallaxy, so the requisite standards are much less challenging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Yobbo: That some private media firms are &#8216;thriving&#8217; does not mean that subsidy is not required. The public good aspects of the ABC are associated with the nature of the content provided. Private incentive do not lead to optimal content, due to various market failure issues.</p>
<p>Dear Moron: Even if I were to lack the &#8216;wit, wisdom and nous&#8217; to cut it as a serious commentator in most fora, fortunately I am posting on Catallaxy, so the requisite standards are much less challenging.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-2/#comment-719205</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;This post is just another misdirected and really quite pathetic Catallaxy beat-up. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shut up you clown. You don&#039;t have the wit, wisdom or nous to cut it here as a civil and serious commentator.

Futhermore your umbrage is like being flogged with a warm lettuce. 

You fucking neanderthal. You completely missed the strategic reasons why the Japs do this.

&quot;ABC GOOD, WHALING BAD&quot; 

Moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This post is just another misdirected and really quite pathetic Catallaxy beat-up. </p></blockquote>
<p>Shut up you clown. You don&#8217;t have the wit, wisdom or nous to cut it here as a civil and serious commentator.</p>
<p>Futhermore your umbrage is like being flogged with a warm lettuce. </p>
<p>You fucking neanderthal. You completely missed the strategic reasons why the Japs do this.</p>
<p>&#8220;ABC GOOD, WHALING BAD&#8221; </p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-719152</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, you have it completely backwards William.

A subsidy on an already thriving industry is even worse than one to prop up an industry that couldn&#039;t exist without subsidies.

At least you can make the argument that without the subsidy there wouldn&#039;t be an industry in the 2nd case. In the case of the ABC, there are dozens of TV channels in Australia doing perfectly fine without any subsidies at all. It&#039;s completely unnecessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you have it completely backwards William.</p>
<p>A subsidy on an already thriving industry is even worse than one to prop up an industry that couldn&#8217;t exist without subsidies.</p>
<p>At least you can make the argument that without the subsidy there wouldn&#8217;t be an industry in the 2nd case. In the case of the ABC, there are dozens of TV channels in Australia doing perfectly fine without any subsidies at all. It&#8217;s completely unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bragg</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-719148</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bragg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post is just another misdirected and really quite pathetic Catallaxy beat-up. Subsidies for the ABC have a legitimate public good rationale; there is no such rationale for whaling subsidies, which are just industry assistance. So, it is not the case that &#039;a subsidy is a subsidy is a subsidy&#039;. There are legitimate distinctions between different subsidies, and so there is nothing wrong in a publicly funded organisation that provides public goods bemoaning subsidies for organisations that don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is just another misdirected and really quite pathetic Catallaxy beat-up. Subsidies for the ABC have a legitimate public good rationale; there is no such rationale for whaling subsidies, which are just industry assistance. So, it is not the case that &#8216;a subsidy is a subsidy is a subsidy&#8217;. There are legitimate distinctions between different subsidies, and so there is nothing wrong in a publicly funded organisation that provides public goods bemoaning subsidies for organisations that don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-719071</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/kohler-privatisation-is-good-for-qld/4482140&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; the ABC&#039;s Alan Kohler presents a good argument for privatisation of electricity assets in QLD.  It could equally apply to privatisation of the ABC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/kohler-privatisation-is-good-for-qld/4482140" rel="nofollow">Here</a> the ABC&#8217;s Alan Kohler presents a good argument for privatisation of electricity assets in QLD.  It could equally apply to privatisation of the ABC.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Plinge</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-719059</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Plinge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Incidentally, speaking of books, Nick Cohen’s “What’s Left” is a must-read. Erudite and scathing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As indeed is C. Northcote Parkinson&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Left Luggage&lt;/em&gt; (1967).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Incidentally, speaking of books, Nick Cohen’s “What’s Left” is a must-read. Erudite and scathing.</p></blockquote>
<p>As indeed is C. Northcote Parkinson&#8217;s <em>Left Luggage</em> (1967).</p>
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		<title>By: Tapdog</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-718677</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 05:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; no “news &amp; information”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Information (in no particular order of importance) = weather forecasts, fire and flood warnings, local emergency information and cricket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> no “news &amp; information”</p></blockquote>
<p>Information (in no particular order of importance) = weather forecasts, fire and flood warnings, local emergency information and cricket.</p>
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		<title>By: blogstrop</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-718669</link>
		<dc:creator>blogstrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Tapdog, no &quot;news &amp; information&quot; for the metro brigades. That is exactly where they&#039;ve gone too far. Leave the Classical music, a local rural service to those areas where stations are few and far between, but scrub the rest. They can&#039;t even do TV drama without having a message! Look what they&#039;ve done to the Gardening Australia segment, FFS. Particularly nice to see all those RN arty lefties that harp on about books, law reports, biased histories and social commentaries get the boot. Incidentally, speaking of books, Nick Cohen&#039;s &quot;What&#039;s Left&quot; is a must-read. Erudite and scathing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Tapdog, no &#8220;news &amp; information&#8221; for the metro brigades. That is exactly where they&#8217;ve gone too far. Leave the Classical music, a local rural service to those areas where stations are few and far between, but scrub the rest. They can&#8217;t even do TV drama without having a message! Look what they&#8217;ve done to the Gardening Australia segment, FFS. Particularly nice to see all those RN arty lefties that harp on about books, law reports, biased histories and social commentaries get the boot. Incidentally, speaking of books, Nick Cohen&#8217;s &#8220;What&#8217;s Left&#8221; is a must-read. Erudite and scathing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tapdog</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-718636</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“How long can you get such money from the government?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If as I do, you look at the ABC as a political lobby group with a broadcasting network attached the way ahead is pretty clear. I have never heard a cogent argument in favour of maintaining its current form and funding and it&#039;s not for want of searching.

Yesterday&#039;s Landline program spent a good slab of its time slot pushing long discredited information about changes in climate both past and projected (by Ross Garnaut the emminent climate scientist but of course) If they were actually trying to rip the hearts out of our farming community families, they could scarcely have done a better job of it. &#039;Pure bastardry&#039; is the term that comes to mind.

For my eight cents I would be more than delighted to see it scaled right back to a bare bones news and information service for metro but especially remote and regional areas. There must some kind of managerial/ editorial regime that can make a decent stab at political impartiality. He said hopefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“How long can you get such money from the government?”</p></blockquote>
<p>If as I do, you look at the ABC as a political lobby group with a broadcasting network attached the way ahead is pretty clear. I have never heard a cogent argument in favour of maintaining its current form and funding and it&#8217;s not for want of searching.</p>
<p>Yesterday&#8217;s Landline program spent a good slab of its time slot pushing long discredited information about changes in climate both past and projected (by Ross Garnaut the emminent climate scientist but of course) If they were actually trying to rip the hearts out of our farming community families, they could scarcely have done a better job of it. &#8216;Pure bastardry&#8217; is the term that comes to mind.</p>
<p>For my eight cents I would be more than delighted to see it scaled right back to a bare bones news and information service for metro but especially remote and regional areas. There must some kind of managerial/ editorial regime that can make a decent stab at political impartiality. He said hopefully.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beer Whisperer</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/04/subsidies-are-bad-abc/comment-page-1/#comment-718626</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beer Whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’d agree it’s a pretty stupid tax to have. Better to get the taxes out of land/resources which are much harder to avoid.&quot;

That&#039;s not the point, Chris. Taxing &quot;because you can&quot; is revenue raising without consideration for the consequences. They should tax where the distortions and negatives are minimized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d agree it’s a pretty stupid tax to have. Better to get the taxes out of land/resources which are much harder to avoid.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the point, Chris. Taxing &#8220;because you can&#8221; is revenue raising without consideration for the consequences. They should tax where the distortions and negatives are minimized.</p>
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