Forcing the vast majority of humankind to continue living in abject poverty

From Andrew Bolt which everyone here reads anyway but for the half dozen who might have missed this an article that really does need the widest possible distribution. A scientist and an honest and brave man who writes about the experience of trying to point out that there is no consensus on global warming, and what’s more, the real damage to humans and their future is being caused by those who will keep people in dire poverty to moderate the rise in temperatures which don’t happen to be rising anyway. Just one bit so that you can get the flavour:

The highest temperature projections are based on the poorest people in the world increasing their incomes from $246 (measured in real 1990 USD) to $49,000 per year by the end of the century; the lowest expected rise in the per capita income of the poorest people will see them earning $3,850 (again real 1990 US $) annually, or some 15 times more than now… There are huge benefits to health and every other measure one cares to choose when one becomes rich. These more than outweigh any damage from climate change… Rising CO2 emissions are, for the most part, a side effect of alleviating global poverty. To mitigate climate change one needs to force the vast majority of humankind to continue living in abject poverty.

And let me also add this:

The mad scramble to implement policy to mitigate climate change has led to an orgy of rent seeking and corruption in the renewable energy sector that, along with the huge debts governments are piling up (partly because of ill-founded climate policies), will aid and abet climate change if it is indeed of human origins. And, in all of this, it is the poorest and most vulnerable people in society who are harmed the most.

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50 Responses to Forcing the vast majority of humankind to continue living in abject poverty

  1. Rabz

    To mitigate climate change one needs to force the vast majority of humankind to continue living in abject poverty.

    Exactly what the greenfilth want. That and forcing as many people in the developed world to eventually live in a similar state of poverty.

    Catastrophic human induced climate change – the most preposterous, destructive anti-scientific fraud in human history.

  2. Biota

    As I noted on the old open forum, the greens and their hangers-on kill everything they touch. They really are human haters.

    Here’s another example of their hypocrisy http:The shocking environmental cost of renewable energy

  3. MACK1

    One of the key points which journalists need to glean from this is an understanding of the attitude of most scientists to high profile media debates – they just want to avoid them:
    “I have now encountered a significant number of scientists and others who have been personally attacked and even threatened with violence for their contrary views on climate change, and even more scientists who have contrary views but keep such views to themselves”.
    Most scientists who are capable of understanding the science and who think the scare talk is exaggerated will simply avoid debate and controversy. But silence does not mean agreement.

  4. Up The Workers!

    How dare you suggest that your right to life, outweighs a greenie’s right to believe in religious fairy tales and dogma unsupported by science.

    Human breath is a dangerous killer gas which needs to be taxed in order to save the earth. (But only YOUR human breath! The breath of Greenies and ‘useful idiot’ A.L.P. supporters is OK!).

  5. I’ve been saying privately for about twenty years, and publicly for ten “The Greens will only see reality when they are put in the dock at the World Court and are made to examine the criminal inhumanity they are forcing on the rest of the undeveloped world.”
    Twenty years ago I was considered an eccentric in my family, ten years ago I was a ‘bit of a nutter’, now it looks like I was seeing the reality that few others wanted to see.
    King Winston the Seer… 🙂

  6. Nuke Gray

    well, it’s not like the abjectly poor would know what to do with money if they had any, is it? Deciding what to buy can be so stressfull. They’re lucky they don’t have that option, and live money-free, stressfree (short) lives!

  7. Jim Rose

    My moves for work resulted in far more climate change than any that is predicted

    • Moved from where 22C was heat wave to where 40C was a heat wave. Moved from moderate coastal winters to inland below zero winters.

    • Moved to where I wore a coat and thermals for 5 months a year, plus sweltering hot summers with typhoons, year-round earthquakes and very serious earthquake drills. I learned to judge the distance of an earthquake from the suddenness of the room shaking.

    • Now have moderate summer and winters and an active 7.5 earthquake fault-line visible a few hundred meters away from my desk.

    The local population adapted to these vicissitudes and all are rich countries.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    You’d have to change the nature of the World Court quite a bit to get that result, O Great Seer.

    Meanwhile, Gypsy Lizzie will peer into her own crystal ball. Oh noes. To paraphrase Under Milk Wood – there’s all clouds swirling over it.

    Have to rely on you, Winston. 😉

  9. James in Melbourne

    This guy is wrong.

    I prefer to believe Christine Milne, Penny Wong, Peter Garrett, Greg Combet, Kevin Rudd, Bob Brown and Julia Gillard.

  10. Up The Workers!

    How pathologically stupid do you have to be, to belong to a political party which consults Christine Milne, Sarah Halfwit-Bung, Lee Rhiannon and Bob Brown for all its “scientific” advice?

    They’ll be appointing Wayne Swan as Federal Treasurer next!

  11. blogstrop

    The USSR was bankrupted by engaging in an arms race they couldn’t afford, and by a communist system of “command economy” that couldn’t achieve the requisite efficiencies in industry or progress in living standards for its citizens.
    The Greens, some of whom are communist retreads, want us to engage in a “renewable energy” race that’s going to bankrupt us, and foist on us a “sustainable” standard of living which will see us drop back to USSR levels.
    The climate change hysteria has been backed by journalists who in some cases may be simply deluded, but in other cases must be in cahoots. The voodoo economics of Garnaut and Stern have been held up as shining lights, reinforcing the idea that salvation lies in that direction.
    It is a cruel hoax, and at least some of the proponents should be punished for what amounts to treasonous sabotage of energy systems which worked just fine (and can do again) until they started messing with them.
    Coal, Nuclear, and Hydro where feasible are the core capabilities. The rest are either uneconomical or just ineffective.

  12. MichaelC58

    The greens don’t want the world’s poor to remain poor, they want them to die out.

    They believe people are a blight on mother earth; earth obviously can’t support infinite people, there are already too many of us, and so we need to depopulate and de-industrialise to help mother earth to ‘heal itself’.

    Many thinking people probably believe this is true to some extent, considering the waste, pollution if unchecked and mindless consumerism. So the Green remedies strike a chord with many of us, and their ‘good intent’ is anyway hard to attack.

    But the issue is so much more complex and so, not surprisingly, the Green remedies are ineffective or frankly counterproductive such as with biofuel and wind farms.

    Complicating the matter is that rent-seeking has not just been legitimized with ‘good intent’ but elevated to a moral crusade, as recruiting business to save the world, all in the name of the end justifying the means.

    We need an open discussion about this:
    Industrialisation and laws has actually led to much cleaner cities, though it has outsourced its dirt to 3rd world countries – where however it produced wealth, but at the cost of pollution and concentration of the wealth…and so on.

  13. Grey

    Forcing the vast majority of humankind to continue living in abject poverty

    All right, who leaked Tony Abbott’s election manifesto?

  14. .

    Please explain how paying off Commonwealth debt and abolishing the carbon tax and mining tax causes poverty.

  15. dismissive

    I am not sure what has triggered it but I am reminded of this 1954 warner bros cartoon.

    By Word of Mouse

    Not on topic but …

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Let us hope that soon comes the Great Energy Rebellion in the developed nations as the people rise up clamouring against this madness.

    Watt Tyler once again. People may be like Watt the poor peasant revolt leader in 1381, and not see the refinements of possible critiques explaining whatever is bugging them, but they damn sure know something is hitting them where it hurts in their daily life and they will lash out against that.

    Watt’s grievances and his end are imaginatively recounted in Anya Seton’s ‘Katherine’, researched and written in the 1950’s and still a great novel.

    Katherine Swynford was an enigma. I love her. Her fan club is here.

  17. Rococo Liberal

    All right, who leaked Tony Abbott’s election manifesto?

    Send in the trolls, don’t worry they’re here

  18. Jim Rose

    The greens don’t want the world’s poor to remain poor, they want them to die out.

    some concerned with the population bomb and the pending food riots in the 1980s proposed birth credits. A “choice-based, marketable, birth license plan” or “birth credits” for population control. transferable birth licensing schemes can be traced to economist Kenneth Boulding (1964).

    Birth credits would allow any woman to have as many children as she wants, as long as she buys a license for any child beyond an average allotment that would result in zero population growth (ZPG). Birth credits are similar to individual tradeable quotes for fishing.

    If the allotment is one child, the first child is free, and the market would determine the cost of the license or birth credit for each additional child.

    The units could be sold in units of 1/10th of a credit with each man and women getting 1.1 credits each for free, under some proposals. no information on the minimum age for allocation of the free credit.

    enforcement could be through fines, taxes and community service orders

    These nice members of the family unfriendly educated middle class ZPG types do not seem to appreciate the seas and oceans that some with cross to have a child.

    As for 200 hours of community service as the penalty for have a child in excess of a birth credit, most parents would welcome a break outdoors and free child care.

  19. Token

    All right, who leaked Tony Abbott’s election manifesto?

    What I find amusing about that comment is Grey has concisely articulated the faith the people who cling to their hate and envy on the left believe in.

    To sustain the delusion, they need instruct people to passionately hate those who would fix the damage their cause.

    Yes, Grey is as deep as the liquid in a shot glass.

  20. Jim Rose

    Watt the poor peasant revolt leader in 1381

    the Peasants’ Revolt, Wat Tyler’s Rebellion, or the Great Rising of 1381 was a revolt against a poll tax and the 1351 Statute of Labourers. The statute attempted to peg wages to pre-black death levels and restricting the mobility of labour.

  21. Token

    Let us hope that soon comes the Great Energy Rebellion in the developed nations as the people rise up clamouring against this madness.

    The non-European countries are doing that. Look at China, Japan, Taiwan & India.

    Though their governments go through the motions, they enact policies like building nuclear plants to ensure they have the energy to meet the needs of their economies.

  22. Lizzie, it was a wish. I’d like to see the World Court up in front of the World Court, too.
    It ain’t gonna happen.

  23. John Mc

    Without ‘victims’ and ‘class struggle’ left-wing politics – i.e. the use of state force to make social and economic changes – has no moral justification. Of course the AGW agenda is designed to keep poor people poor! If you have upward mobility and rising living standards who wants to pursue a socialist utopia?

    The socialists have realised that Marx was wrong and capitalism isn’t going to eat itself. They need something new to stop it.

  24. Jannie

    Almost every libertarian seems to be conscious that Greens are motivated by misanthropy, the knowledge that too many people are stuffing up the earth. Well, I hate people too, they are buggering up the earth, too many people are crowding out the good fishing and hunting, and they are ignorant and smelly, and they got no sense of humour. I am not even going to start on friggin immigrants.

    This is not going to end well for some people.

  25. Jannie

    Come to think of it, it didnt end all that well for Wat Tyler either.

  26. thefrollickingmole

    “You expect me to talk go green”?

    “No Mr Bond Peasant, I expect you to die”!

    Starring Bob Brown as “Greenfinger”

  27. Jannie, I misread your post and got “I am not even going to start on friggin accountants.”
    First LOL of the day, and then I re read it.

  28. Adrien

    The long term AGW scenario has said for quite a while that the attainment of modern standards of living by the world’s population would accelerate the process. I don;t think the Greens have quite faced that fact.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yep, it ended badly for Watt, as I discussed on another thread on taxation. Dot raised Watt re that.

    Glad you added the issue of the Statute of Labourers too, Jim Rose.

    The main point being: people can only be pushed so far, then they crack into rebellion.

    Not necessarily revolution. I seem to remember once writing a history essay on the difference between the these two forms of protest. Not sure I’d agree now with what I argued then, either.

    If the resistance to this climate AGW madness doesn’t come from the developed world then things will keep playing very badly for the third world (I hope I can still use this term, the PC vision is that all are ‘developing’ now that the Ruskie Commos are defeated – so they say).

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The only reason she is sticking around is …

    I know she is a Labor PR person which may make her fair game, but I don’t really think she is fair game on this issue.

    It must be so humiliating for her, and I feel sorry for her situation as a wife. Perhaps she still loves him and she has a child to think about too.

    Christian charity?

  31. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    oops, wrong fred, should be open fred.

    Sorry for thred drifting.

  32. Steve

    With the upcoming election can’t we have a referendum on voting the state of Tasmania the only state for people of ‘greens’ leaning to live?
    They can do what they want with their timber/fishing/mining and such industries as they please and let the rest of us get on with making the rest of country rich beyond our dreams!

  33. Tapdog

    And, in all of this, it is the poorest and most vulnerable people in society who are harmed the most.

    But that’s a big part of the grand plan isn’t it? I’m pretty choosy about my conspiracy theories but the Club of Rome/UN Agenda 21/IPCC linkages are there for all to see. The COR commitment to the “elimination of ‘useless eaters’ ” is nothing if unambiguous.

  34. “Yes, Grey is as deep as the liquid in a shot glass.”

    …after The Beer Whisperer had had his way with it.

  35. Richard D

    Was on the Left myself once & had that warm inner feeling of Moral superiority (that comes from believing you have a monopoly on concern for the poor, the planet etc)

    I enjoyed this blog entry a couple of days ago (I notice you have a link on this site to ‘the Money Illusion’): ‘The war on the poor, let them suffer a bit’

    Also population growth is a fashionable worry as well. Fertility rates have been on there way down for about 4 decades now & assuming the trend continues, we only have about 25-30 years of slowing population growth to go.

  36. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Welcome Richard Dif this is your first comment on the Cat. Good to see yet another leftie has come over from the Dark Side. You’ll find there are heaps of us here already and let’s hope that it is something that is becoming easier and easier to do.

  37. hammygar

    From Andrew Bolt which everyone here reads anyway

    Doesn’t that just say everything about the rednecks that frequent Catallaxy!

  38. Rococo Liberal

    Hammy, you shouldn’t call yourself as a redneck, you aren’t up to that standard: bogtroll is more your line.

  39. Jim Rose

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B., I should add that all revolutions are palace coups.

    The revolutions in Eastern Europe, Egypt and Tunisia were palace coups against the background of street protests. The role of street protests is to throw in the possibility of mutinies and desertions in the army and police. Previous alliances are thrown into doubt.

    It should be always remembered that Qadaffi got his main chance to take over when he was a mere Colonel Qadaffi leading a small group of junior officers. Nasser was a colonel

    Colonels control strategic components of the military and as not as well paid as those in the autocrat’s inner circle such as generals.

    Enough military coups are lead by more junior officers seizing their main chance to make their generals nervous enough about their own survival in a colonels coup to strike first to displace the current autocrat before they are the next to be arrested and share his fate. There is then a post-coup realignment of patronage to buy-off the junior officers.

    Popular uprisings are far more difficult to organize than are palace coups because the individual advantages of participating in an uprising are very small relative to those obtained by members of a palace coup. Being larger enterprises, revolutionary movements are also much easier to discover and punish

    Preventing overthrow by the common people is easy if the ruler is willing to repress vigorously and offer large rewards for information about conspiracies.

    Members of the Egyptian elite had to decide who is most likely to retain security forces loyalty and discipline. This is why everyone agreed that the attitude of the military is pivotal in Egypt. The military will be the handmaidens of any revolution.

    The street protests in Iran failed because the military and security forces stayed loyal. The military switched their loyalty to the Prime Minister in Tunisia.

  40. Hammy, you shouldn’t call yourself as a redneck, you aren’t up to that standard: bogroll is more your line.


  41. James in Melbourne

    Hammygar, please outline how Jools’ grand over-arching strategy for re-election is panning out.

  42. John Mc

    Don’t pretend you don’t read it Hammy.

  43. manalive

    Doesn’t that just say everything about the rednecks that frequent Catallaxy!

    That comment says everything about the sanctimonious posturing, the self-preening moral bankruptcy, of the left.

  44. dover_beach

    I never read Bolt unless someone else points to a post -usually on the Cat – that is worth reading.

  45. NoFixedAddress


    I have copied this article verbatim and given you attribution.

    If you require the bulletin board where I have posted it then please ask.

    Kind Regards

  46. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Christine TUBBSY Milne, Penny THAT Wong CHAP, Peter Garrett ELECTROCUTION MAN, Greg CombetTHE GOAT MOLESTER*, Kevin KRuddLES, Bob BrownBOBBY THE BUNGHOLER and Julia Gillard THE LYING SLAPPER

    * The nicest name the Lake macquarie locals have for him.

    There. All fixed.

  47. blogstrop

    I always check in with a number of sources each day I have time to. But it’s not always worth the effort.
    The Australian is doing it’s job and employing a range of opinionistas. The SMH still has two good ones, Sheehan and Henderson, plus Costello from time to time.
    News Blogs (Blair and Bolt particularly) have a shockingly slow comments moderation system that pretty much neuters them in that aspect, but they are worth reading for themselves. I read Ackerman and Devine but not the comments.
    I don’t bother with The Age or ABC sites unless linked by a reliable commenter/blogger. I do listen to ABC radio (to and from work as much as I can bear)and watch their appalling news on TV as I can’t stand the commercial stations. It’s instructive, to say the least. The 7.30 Report with Sales is execrable. A bit better with Uhlmann, but he’s (in the final analysis) in the wrong tent and unable to put the boot in as forcefully as is required. In his case, how can you be “married to the mob” and still be an umpire? Same goes for Jacinta.

  48. John Mc


    I like it. Think I might use that one. It does have something over Bobby Brown(cock).

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yea, Blogstop, I move around quite a bit like you (often plus Jo Nova) on days when I can be bothered, but I rarely comment anywhere else. Lately I don’t bother as much as I used to. Burn out? Or just good sense and better things to do?

    Nearly always hop quickly into the Cat though, say hello to people here, pick up the goss. Seems the right and sociable thing to do.

    Also, the Cat takes one on new slants – you can find yourself drawn into discussions on anything from mysticism to revolution vs rebellion. Or poetry (Despair not Blogstrop and do not regret those ‘smouldering palaces’, sic transit gloria after all in all things, our small dreams as well as the work of kings. 🙂 )

    Jim Rose, I think I as an undergraduate I was simplistic about dichotomising rebellion as protest and revolution as overthrow. I would be less certain of my distinctions these days. Control of institutionalalised force though is still always key to gaining and keeping control elsewhere in a polity.

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