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Brian Doherty on Republican libertarians

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The consistency of the libertarian philosophy — roughly, that government exists only to protect citizens’ lives and property from assault — leads them to buck party discipline on spending. Senator Paul was among the few Senate Republicans who voted against the fiscal cliff deal. It also leads them to oppose civil liberties encroachments like the Patriot Act and the indefinite detention provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act and to condemn “crony capitalism” as exemplified by the Troubled Asset Relief Program and other government bailouts they see as illegitimately serving Wall Street and banking interests.

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February 11th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

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  1. How does one define ‘citizens’ lives and property’?
    I agree best government is limited government.
    Again how does one define limited government?
    Will people allow “crony capitalism” to fail?
    Again how does one define civil liberties encroachments?
    Do we allow enemies full rights to create damage?

    stackja

    11 Feb 13 at 12:47 pm

  2. I suspect that it is no longer a matter of ‘X or bust’; bust is now unavoidable.

    How well the bust is navigated is really the only question.

    Driftforge

    11 Feb 13 at 3:52 pm

  3. “that government exists only to protect citizens’ lives and property from assault”…… he must be joking, if Liberts say that they don’t believe it.

    The vast majority of Liberts suck off the taxpayers’ teat like punter socialists….pensions, subsidised educational lives via HECS, a multitude of cheques in the mail from govt for having kids, etc, etc.
    Liberts live on other people’s money and don’t blink, they talk a good game but their day to day reality is leftard, despite their higher yearning for something else.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 4:57 pm

  4. The vast majority of Liberts suck off the taxpayers’ teat like punter socialists….pensions, subsidised educational lives via HECS, a multitude of cheques in the mail from govt for having kids, etc, etc.

    Evidence please.

    You really have no idea, do you Alfonso?

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 5:00 pm

  5. The vast majority of Liberts suck off the taxpayers’ teat like punter socialists….pensions, subsidised educational lives via HECS, a multitude of cheques in the mail from govt for having kids, etc, etc.
    Liberts live on other people’s money and don’t blink,

    If the government is giving it away you’d be mad not to take it. No point being the only virgin in the whorehouse.

    Infidel Tiger

    11 Feb 13 at 5:02 pm

  6. If the government is giving it away you’d be mad not to take it. No point being the only virgin in the whorehouse.

    Exactly, it’s being offered you may as well take it. Turning around and calling Libertarians hypocrites for doing so is simply retarded.

    If the government turned around and said I could choose between a tax rate of 20% and getting benefits (other than a basic safety net), I’d take the tax cut in a second.

    MattR

    11 Feb 13 at 5:27 pm

  7. “If the government is giving it away you’d be mad not to take it. No point being the only virgin in the whorehouse.”

    Thank you….tell Dot.

    Now stop pretending you aren’t merely socialists with authority figure / collectivist issues.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 5:32 pm

  8. Liberts live on other people’s money and don’t blink, they talk a good game but their day to day reality is leftard, despite their higher yearning for something else.

    They also pay taxes in a most un-libertarian fashion as well. How many libertarians are running small businesses or working in the private sector? A lot. Are you suggesting they should continue to pay the taxes but send back the cheque for their kids or their HECS subsidy.

    The correct way of living for a libertarian is to exploit every handout you can get and say “this is pretty unreasonable, let’s both vote to get rid of it”.

    John Mc

    11 Feb 13 at 5:36 pm

  9. “If the government is giving it away you’d be mad not to take it. No point being the only virgin in the whorehouse.”

    Thank you….tell Dot.

    Now stop pretending you aren’t merely socialists with authority figure / collectivist issues.

    You’re a sickening, smearing, self beclowning moron.

    Are you suggesting they should continue to pay the taxes but send back the cheque for their kids or their HECS subsidy.

    To an extent I have done the opposite throughout my life. I’ve eschewed handouts where I could have gotten them.

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 5:39 pm

  10. Alfonso, once again you prove you do not understand what Liberarian ideology is.

    Token

    11 Feb 13 at 5:40 pm

  11. Really Dot?

    Your Libert mateys have just extolled ……”The correct way of living for a libertarian is to exploit every handout you can get”.

    Careful comrades, loose lips sink ships.

    Bwaaa…..

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 5:42 pm

  12. Just working with the Doherty quote, Token.

    Seems Liberts have all the characteristics of micro welfare rorters but in the macro philosophical sense.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 5:46 pm

  13. Assertions made by Alfonso:

    1. Libertarians are communists.

    2. Libertarians are characteristically on the public teat.

    3. Libertarians are “micro rorters” in the “macro sense’.

    What a douchebag.

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 5:51 pm

  14. No, Doherty does not say that Alfonso. You really are dependent on Strawmen.

    Token

    11 Feb 13 at 5:53 pm

  15. Give me strength….your matey John Mc says exactly that at 5.36 not D.

    It’s bwaaaa time….’Libertarians are communists’…..you quote me somewhere? Didn’t think so.

    2 and 3 are peachy.

    Liberts are pretenders.
    Offended by govt and living on other people’s money ….until it’s them doing it.

    Liberts are risible hypocrites.

    Here’s a hint, to be a Libert rather than an associate gang member Libert, you need to be independently wealthy.

    End of story.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 6:19 pm

  16. Liberts are pretenders.
    Offended by govt and living on other people’s money ….until it’s them doing it.

    Calumny.

    Liberts are risible hypocrites.

    Lies.

    Here’s a hint, to be a Libert rather than an associate gang member Libert, you need to be independently wealthy.

    Huh? So I can’t be a libertarian if I’m on a salary or wage in the private sector?

    You are off your head.

    End of story.

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 6:33 pm

  17. Lol Alfonso, how about you go back to the school library and find out what a libertarian actually is before making a fool of yourself? As was pointed out before we also pay taxes, taxes that are far more than most, by your own retarded logic that means we aren’t really libertarians because libertarians believe in low taxes.

    People like you are proof our education system is failing.

    Mattr

    11 Feb 13 at 6:35 pm

  18. Alas, Dot…reality bites at last.

    You can only be a pretend or at best be an excellent aspiring Libert on an averagist salary.

    The system you claim you want to change owns you…….it’s bribes have cowered you, as well they might.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 6:41 pm

  19. You can only be a pretend or at best be an excellent aspiring Libert on an averagist salary.

    Only wealthy people can be libertarian?

    This is raving socialist propaganda you are rambling on with.

    The system you claim you want to change owns you…….it’s bribes have cowered you, as well they might.

    It might. They’ve stopped me starting up a business in the last year.

    The alternative to cowering is becoming a criminal. I’m a peaceable person.

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 6:44 pm

  20. No ‘cowering’ means you submit to the Statist will, which all non wealthy Liberts do in the end.

    No-one is sadder than me about that.

    Maybe I’ll set up a Libert refuge.
    Trouble is, as the hippies discovered, young Daffodil Mahatma often wants to be a pork belly pit trader, so he can chase catch and release black marlin in his 7700 Sailfish cat.

    Go Daffy.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 7:09 pm

  21. So true libertarians must pay what the state demands and receive nothing in return whilst living off the grid on a boat moored in international waters.

    Infidel Tiger

    11 Feb 13 at 7:21 pm

  22. So true libertarians must pay what the state demands and receive nothing in return whilst living off the grid on a boat moored in international waters.

    Lol, you forgot we also need to be mega rich too! :D

    MattR

    11 Feb 13 at 7:30 pm

  23. Alas Matt, that’s absolutely correct…..minus the straw “mega”.

    Otherwise you be just groupies sucking on someone else’s earnings and playing sovereign individual games.

    “pay what the state demands”…..hee, hee……your innocence is touching, don’t ever change.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 7:47 pm

  24. subsidised educational lives via HECS

    How does HECS constitute a subsidy?

    Adrien

    11 Feb 13 at 7:59 pm

  25. Loans you don’t qualify for with market based banks / second level lenders but you are able to get via the govt means your arse is being subsidise, possum.

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 8:06 pm

  26. “subsidised”

    Alfonso

    11 Feb 13 at 8:07 pm

  27. No ‘cowering’ means you submit to the Statist will, which all non wealthy Liberts do in the end.

    Um yes I don’t want to get arrested. I think I should have been able to set up my business without the barriers to entry which don’t make sense in any way. However the product sale is stitched up and out of my hands. it’s actually diabolical how good they are at it. It wouldn’t matter if I went ahead anyway because I’d have to sell direct to market(non core business anyway) and in addition to that, be committing more “crime”.

    Loans you don’t qualify for with market based banks / second level lenders but you are able to get via the govt means your arse is being subsidise, possum.

    They also have cost strucutres many times over the private sector, and provide loans in a way no bank can possibly compete.

    So true libertarians must pay what the state demands and receive nothing in return whilst living off the grid on a boat moored in international waters.

    Quite right IT. Alfonso is going on with a load of crap. He is saying there no can be no libertarian judges, cops, military personnel or MPs.

    .

    11 Feb 13 at 10:12 pm

  28. I’m sympathetic, really I am, may Dot always be able to self delude sufficiently to maintain his Libert mental health.

    Who knows, next week he might also choose to believe he’s an Eskimo, as is his right.

    Alfonso

    12 Feb 13 at 10:56 am

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