His relentless negativity is relentless, says Emmo

As Cats know, I like to run a competition for worst policy suggestion (aka the gold medal) proposed by any of the parties during an election campaign.

Given Jools’ decision to fire the starting gun, I officially declare my poll open.

I am also thinking of spreading my wings and running a further competition for worst quote from a politician uttered during the election campaign.  It will be a sort of cross-between the Booker and the Pulitzer for Australian politics.

No doubt, the competition will be fierce, but I think our Trade Minister’s entry listed above is a strong candidate. Fumbling, pointless and, yes, negative.

Happy to hear of other early entries.

 

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215 Responses to His relentless negativity is relentless, says Emmo

  1. Ant

    If a pollie can come us with a quote better (or worse) than “we are us”, they should automatically get the guernsey.

  2. “There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead.”

  3. JamesK

    Maybe in could form the chorus to his election rap song?

  4. Borisgodunov

    This Foureyed clown is a doctor of what? Did he pass the contacts ? Or is he now four eyed? Perhaps the second sight causes strange behavior and irrational acts like singing and dancing?

  5. Harold

    Obvious troll is obvious.

  6. H B Bear

    The Legover Man is the Gillard government’s Jim Cairns. A permanent reminder of it’s true hopelessness. Or perhaps that is The Goose. Or Conroy …

  7. Popular Front

    programmatic specifity

  8. amcoz

    ALP website, hit the read more ‘achievements’ button bottom LHS:

    We’re sorry
    The page you are looking for cannot be found, please try refreshing the page or go back to the ALP Homepage.

  9. Popular Front

    Saw that elsewhere amcoz and laughed out loud.

  10. William Bragg

    Not sure about the worst quote, but the worst policy is shared by both parties, and that is not to terminate the most costly and ill-considered government program in Austraila’s history – flowing from John Howard’s decision to give Dubya some extra rimming by committing to the (now $35bilion, but who knows if and where it will end) program to acquire 100 joint strike fights.

    Together with giving away north-west shelf gas to China at cut-rate prices, all for the sake of an ‘announceable’, and the folly of Afghanistan, this Howard government “decision” – though as 4 Corners showed last week, “whim” is probably a better term – puts in the shade all the flawed budgetary expenditure decisions made by the ALP since then.

  11. Splatacrobat

    I haven’t heard what the Prime Minister has said but I agree with everything she is saying.

  12. Tracey

    “Failure is not an option.” Oh shit. Oh dear.

  13. .

    the folly of Afghanistan

    How should have we dealt with 9/11 Bragg?

    Don’t tell me you’re a defence analyst on top of being an economist and a psychiatrist.

    PS Where did you get your “psychiatry degree” from?

    Together with giving away north-west shelf gas to China at cut-rate prices

    What price should they charge?

  14. cynical1

    “John Howard’s decision to give Dubya some extra rimming by committing to the (now $35bilion, but who knows if and where it will end) program to acquire 100 joint strike fights”.

    Meh. Cheaper than the NBN.

    100 planes for that.

    Better than 100 users…..

  15. Aaron

    Whilst Paul Howes is not a politician per se he certainly pulls enough political strings on the Labor Party puppet. His boast that ‘We’ve got your back’ at the recent AWU conference was a truly grotesque demonstration that the Labor Party does not govern for the Australian people but for the corrupt, anachronistic trade union movement.

  16. Popular Front

    FFS Bragg, are you full of sour owlshit or what? Can’t you even stay on topic without boring the arse off everybody you pompous prick?

  17. Dexter Rous

    Judith. it’s all very well for you to write this and equally fine for us to make witty observations. But we must get the sheer stupidity and rank awfullness of Gillard’s government out to the widest possible audience. Gillard has given us ample notice of “D”day (Sept 14th) and we must get the message out there in the Electorate. Perhaps we could find someone in the MSM to mount a campaign or two? Bolty is about to fire up next week

  18. candy

    Jenny Macklin Families Minister who earns $6000 per week saying she could live on the Dole, the most stupid insensitive thing I’ve ever heard a pollie say.

  19. .

    Don’t tell me you’re a defence analyst on top of being an economist and a psychiatrist.

    But of course

    Dr William Bragg MD, BA BEc MA MEc BSc (Hons) MBBS Ph D

  20. James of the Glens

    Billy Bragg is a useful creature.

    By attempting to use poor historical references, he highlights the absence of worst quotes from any contemporary Opposition member.

    Not overly bright is our Billy.

  21. nic

    Labor: we ca stabbed, we spent, we stank

  22. Antipodean

    TLS stating that she fully supports shagger Thompson just days before he was removed from the Labor party is right up there. Although all things considered, shagger was probably the most capable member on the government benches, atleast he could organise a root in a brothel…

  23. candy

    Shouldn’t Dr Bragg have FRANZP after his name too if he’s a psychiatrist?

  24. William Bragg

    Dear oh dear, Dotty – you still haven’t worked it out. You don’t actually get points for identifying made-up stuff in spoofs (although given how few points your emissions on the Cat attract normally, its understandable that you’d try to claim them wherever you imagine you have scored something, no matter how minor, other than an own-goal).

    So, once more, the statement that my deep understanding of Libertarianism comes from having studied the condition in my psychiatry degree was not intended to be taken as the literal truth, as anyone with half a brain, and even some less unintelligent Cats, would have realised.

    Alas, it seems that you do not qualify even in the latter group. And if you still don’t understand this, perhaps go back and read the “Idiots Guide To Why Dotty Is Such As Idiot”, posted at 1.37 on the 22nd on this thread.

  25. C.L.

    At the time, Kim Beazley said he preferred the F-22.

    Then somebody whispered to him that its sale to Australia was banned by Congress.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    The prize for the worst policy announcement shouldn’t simply be a Gold Medal.
    It should be called “The Medicare Gold Medal”.
    Remember that policy masterstroke from the Lying Slapper and the Taxi Driver’s friend back in 2004?

  27. C.L.

    Look, what we’re talking about here is this: the Rudd/Gillard ‘government’ is not only the worst government in Australian history (including the colonial era) but the worst government in the Anglophone world in contemporary history.

    For killing more than 1100 people at sea, its senior members should be brought before the ICC.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    Does Bragg share an alma mater with Field Marshal Justice Sir Marcus Einfeld KCMG, DSO, VC and Bar, AO, HSC?

  29. Leigh Lowe

    The ABC is hilarious!
    “Let’s do a special on policy failures!”
    Despite standing knee-deep in policy failures of The Lying Slapper (most of them expensive and ineffectual, but the most damning of course being the negligent homicide of 2,000 people at sea), what does Aunty do?
    Why, find the two subjects that inner-city fixie riding hipsters love to hate of course ….. John Howard and Defence.
    Merge the into a Bob Brownish fairy tale and voile …… suddenly a most sound and visionary decision by the Howard Government is a “scandal”.
    To paraphrase ….
    “I will not be lectured about fiscal responsibility and integrity by this Lying Slapper”

  30. Septimus

    In this election campaign?

    Paul Howes, AWU Secretary:

    We’ve got your back!

    Nothing like confirming whose girl she is, and the links to her past criminality.

  31. Mark

    “We are us”

    Impossible to beat that. All we are now discussing is second place.

  32. William Bragg

    Slightly unfortunate timing for you on that first (12.18) comment, Leigh, as you’ve unwittingly grouped yourself with Dotty among the more unintelligent Cats, rather than the other, less unintelligent ones.

    On your following comment, while a few poorly-installed-by-the-private-sector batts and a couple of ineffective websites are indeed failures, how do they compare, do you think, to Haward’s $35 billion down the drain on a JSF that can barely fly, the Afghanistan fiasco and the gazillions of dollars of under-priced gas he sent China’s way?

  33. Steve D

    Oooh, this is just begging to be formalised – let’s do it properly. Perhaps:

    - Suggestion must be within this election period (starting from the announcement).
    - Provide evidence (if not a link to a news article or a clip, at least a date, location, etc.
    - @Sinc: Put this up under “Ongoing Debates” so we can easily access it throughout the election period.
    - Perhaps a judging and prize?

  34. Steve D

    One year’s IPA membership? ;-)

  35. blind freddy

    We’ve got your back!
    Perfectly correct—where the strings are attached

  36. .

    Slightly unfortunate timing for you on that first (12.18) comment, Leigh, as you’ve unwittingly grouped yourself with Dotty among the more unintelligent Cats, rather than the other, less unintelligent ones.

    On your following comment, while a few poorly-installed-by-the-private-sector batts and a couple of ineffective websites are indeed failures, how do they compare, do you think, to Haward’s $35 billion down the drain on a JSF that can barely fly, the Afghanistan fiasco and the gazillions of dollars of under-priced gas he sent China’s way?

    Bragg

    What university did you get your “psychiatry degree” from?

    You don’t get it.

    Now you’ve been blown as a bullshit artist, your once curly arguments now considered are a joke like the unhinged Graeme Bird’s.

  37. Gab

    Burke’s nonsensical comment. The epitome of Labor party logic:

    Only the Opposition could come up with a dams policy where they have dams that will be always full, always empty and always flowing.

    And also, Junkyard Dog Emerson spitting out at the opposition in QT, about the opposition’s Northern draft discussion paper:

    How are you going to fund it?

    THe hypocrisy of that one question was stupefying.

  38. Gab

    We’ve got your back!

    Yes and if needs be, we know where the knife goes.

  39. Gab

    ALP website, hit the read more ‘achievements’ button bottom LHS:

    We’re sorry
    The page you are looking for cannot be found,

    The only time this government has told the truth.

  40. Steve of Ferny Hills

    Bragg, your desperate attempts to derail this thread are too obvious. Bugger off.

  41. .

    Bragg you imbecile you are posting back to where you first got embarrassed and cut and run.

    Here is Bragg now, trying to argue that his ALP knee padding, even in as much as being unable to competently lie about a false qualification, is entirely rational:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg6w4S7OXGg

    Perriot le fou, final scene.

  42. Turtle

    At the end of Insiders there was a clip of Emmo replying to ‘Do you support Julia…’. He said ‘Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes’. He must think himself a truly POSITIVE individual, as opposed to the allegedly NEGATIVE opposition leader, whose position he explains with the phrase ‘No no no no no no no no’. Focusing on the issues with insightful analysis.

  43. JamesK

    This is from Chris Kenny’s blog on the February 5

    In politics, unlike mathematics, two negatives do not make a positive. We all know the government’s key attack against Tony Abbott focuses on his “relentless negativity”. It has often struck me that Labor’s negative attack on Mr Abbott about relentless negativity has indeed been relentless.

    Yet no-one would suggest it doesn’t have at least some ring of truth about it – after all Mr Abbott wants to “stop” the carbon tax, “stop” the mining tax and “stop” the boats. Despite some positive flow-on from those policies, there is no doubt this comes across as a negative message.

    But if you are looking for a positive message from the government, then you will have to look again. We were reminded of this today when Kevin Rudd delivered a message of solidarity with his party as Parliament resumes today. The former prime minister said; “Our core challenge is to do whatever we can to make sure Mr Abbott doesn’t become prime minister.” Some might expect more from a government, and a higher aim in an election year. But Mr Rudd added, “That’s my mission in life and that’s what I’ll be doing this year.”

    (I might suggest the subtext here could be that he is the one best placed to stop Mr Abbott but that might be too negative.)

    Emmo obviously isn’t a Goodly Fabric fan

  44. James of the Glens

    I can’t ever recall seeing Billy B among the dreaming spires, but it’s his immoderate language that unmasks him.

  45. dan

    CL, do it yourself

    The International Criminal Court’s founding treaty, the Rome Statute, provides that individuals or organizations may submit information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.[1] These submissions are referred to as “communications” or complaints to the International Criminal Court.
    As of end September 2010, the Office of the Prosecutor had received 8,874 communications about alleged crimes.

    from Wikipedia

  46. Septimus

    He said ‘Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes’

    The way he said it seemed like he might have been re-living something from the past …

    But then, perhaps he was re-living another memory. Maybe, like Chance the gardener in “Being There”, he liked to watch.

  47. William Bragg

    Back to your Black Knight impersonations, I see, Dotty. When your failure to recognise an obvious spoof comment for what it was is revealed, you simply raise up your torso, pretend your limbs are still attached, and keep rehearsing your initial stupidities.

    Most amusing, in a pythonesque way, although your performance does actually make one think that perhaps Libertarianism really is a ‘condition’ that would make good subject matter for psychiatric study.

  48. Carpe Jugulum

    I see Dr W. Bragg MBBS, TLC, NFI, SFA. well known liar has oozed back after his last shaming.

  49. John Mc

    You do realise the whole ‘Black Knight’ thing is getting a bit tired, you silly old commie. As funny as the original sketch was, there’s only so much leverage you can gain off it by repeatedly making connections that are tenuous at best, let alone not exactly witty.

  50. Gab

    Leave him alone, John, it’s all he’s got.

  51. Jim Rose

    hawke: by 1990, no child will live in poverty. it is on youtube

    see http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Hawke-regrets-child-poverty-comment/2007/06/16/1181414583336.html

    it must be a big if Hawke admits regret on anything.

    Mr Hawke’s words returned to haunt him as his pledge was impossible to keep.

    About 580,000 Australian children lived in poverty in 1987, welfare groups said.

    Today at least 13 per cent of children, or 730,000 people, were poor, said Janet Stanley, spokeswoman for the Brotherhood of St Laurence.

    old silver tail forgot that poverty is defined in terms of inequality so there poor will always be with us.

    second, lifting child welfare benefits to $1 above the poverty line, as was done by hawke, did not ghet to the hub of the matter.

    at a serious level, this is a serious issue that a government claimed it could cure in three years.

    p.s. Rudd and Gillard are not 1/10th of the PM that hawke was as either an administrator or a leader. Hawke led from the front and knew how to deliver

  52. wreckage

    Rudd and Gillard are not 1/10th of the PM that hawke was

    True enough. You don’t even have to like Hawke or Keating – in fact I hate ‘em – to see this.

  53. Septimus

    Mr Hawke’s words returned to haunt him as his pledge was impossible to keep.

    Hawke led from the front and knew how to deliver

    Huh? Please explain.

  54. William Bragg

    You do realise the whole ‘Black Knight’ thing is getting a bit tired

    I am just following advice of JC, who once said that if a put down ‘fits’ – as clearly the Black Knight appellation does for Dotty – its fine to use it again and again. Of course, lacking sufficient wit to do otherwise, in JC’s case that usually means simply recyling various profanities and empty insults. But of course, if you Cats think that JC was wrong…

  55. C.L.

    Hawke and Keating presided over the worst economic disaster since the 1930s.

  56. Honesty

    Peter Garret “don’t worry we will just change them when we get in”. It was the truth but pretty stupid thing to say to Steve Price about policies.

  57. Keith

    Bragg and Emmo share both a trademark lack of logic, and aversion to facts. Has anyone ever seen them in the same place at the same time.

  58. wreckage

    Hawke and Keating presided over the worst economic disaster since the 1930s.

    But Rudd and Gillard still manage to make them look like visionaries.

  59. handjive

    The perennial:

    “I did nothing wrong.”

  60. johno

    Hawke and Keating presided over the worst economic disaster since the 1930s.

    But the reforms they introduced prior to this meltdown delivered the longest economic boom this country has ever enjoyed and is part of the reason why Australia hasn’t tanked as much as other developed countries since the North Alantic financial crisis, despite the best efforts of Krudd, the Liar and Goose.

  61. johno

    Bragg and Emmo share both a trademark lack of logic, and aversion to facts. Has anyone ever seen them in the same place at the same time.

    Unless emmo is being delibrately stupid in his public utterance, I think they are different people. Bragg is actually sensible compared with emmo.

  62. William Bragg

    Hawke and Keating presided over the worst economic disaster since the 1930s.

    They may have been in power at the time of an economic disaster, but that does not make them responsible for it. The seeds for the economic malaise inherited by Hawke and Keating lay predominantly with Australia’s post-war protectionism, and other institutional arrangements and norms which accompanied it, which by 1983 left Australia with a dilapidated industrial structure, shocking industrial relations and an economy headed south on the world league tables. Hawke and Keatings reforms started turning Australia around, albeit not quickly enough to be out of the woods on all fronts. But the question you must ask is the counterfactual: how much worse would Australia have been had we continued under the Liberals.

  63. Catfeesh?

    And also, Junkyard Dog Emerson spitting out at the opposition in QT, about the opposition’s Northern draft discussion paper:

    How are you going to fund it?

    THe hypocrisy of that one question was stupefying.

    Answer: “We’re going to fund it with the proceeds from the sale of the ABC”.

  64. johno

    But the question you must ask is the counterfactual: how much worse would Australia have been had we continued under the Liberals.

    The Libs can claim their share of the glory from this era. During this period they did a remarkable thing that enabled Hawke and Keating to push the reforms as far as they did. By supporting, rather than opposing, these reforms it meant that the groups that can normally mobalise support to stop market based reforms had nowhere to go. Instead of supporting calls to stop the reforms, the Libs told the whingers to go away.

    The counterfactual you must ask is: If the Labor Opposition had returned the favour when Howard was PM, would the reform agenda have got moving again after the failed Keating Prime Ministership?

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    “Failure is not an option.”

    No it’s a certainty

  66. C.L.

    But the reforms they introduced prior to this meltdown delivered the longest economic boom this country has ever enjoyed and is part of the reason why Australia hasn’t tanked as much as other developed countries since the North Alantic financial crisis, despite the best efforts of Krudd, the Liar and Goose.

    Nonsense. The ‘reforms’ were inevitable – see Howard’s Campbell Report – and have had next to nothing to do with the Australian boom.

    The reason Australia fared well during the GFC was twofold: 1) demand for our minerals; 2) Howard and Costello’s fiscal management.

    The biggest, most courageous reform of all was waterfront reform – which Hawke and Keating were too gutless to even contemplate.

  67. John Mc

    The seeds for the economic malaise inherited by Hawke and Keating lay predominantly with Australia’s post-war protectionism, and other institutional arrangements and norms which accompanied it, which by 1983 left Australia with a dilapidated industrial structure, shocking industrial relations and an economy headed south on the world league tables. Hawke and Keatings reforms started turning Australia around, albeit not quickly enough to be out of the woods on all fronts.

    Not bad for a filthy commie, Bragg. I’d like to say there’s hope for you yet, but it’s probably a bit late in the day for that.

  68. Jim Rose

    what about the Tobin tax. the robin hood tax!

    Sweden led the way with Tobin taxes with a 0.5% tax on the purchase or sale of an equity security in 1986. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_tax#Sweden.27s_experience_in_implementing_Tobin_taxes_in_the_form_of_general_financial_transaction_taxes

    The revenues from the tax on fixed-income securities were initially expected to be 1,500 million Swedish kronor per year.

    They did not amount to more than 80 million Swedish kronor in any year and the average was closer to 50 million. A lesson never learned

    As taxable trading volumes fell, so did revenues from capital gains taxes, entirely offsetting revenues from the equity transactions tax what an absolute bummer.

    During the first week of the tax, the volume of bond trading fell by 85%; futures trading fell by 98%; and the options trading market disappeared.

    By 1990 60% of the trading volume for the top 11 most traded Swedish stocks moved to London. Trading for over 50% of Swedish equities had moved to London by 1990.

    A true robin hood tax: robs from the Swedish capital gains taxmen and gives to the British taxman.

  69. wreckage

    But the question you must ask is the counterfactual: how much worse would Australia have been had we continued under the Liberals.

    Well, depends. Had the hypothetical Libs taken Howard’s report as seriously as the subsequent ALP government did (while noisily disavowing it) then I think we could have done better: waterfront reform was hugely important, and the ALP wouldn’t touch it; indeed given the chance they reverse it.

  70. Tintarella di Luna

    Howard’s big mistake was the leaving out the ‘no disadvantage test’ that sank WorkChoices which is the greatest shame of all — by the time Howard realised the mistake is was too late the poison was already taking effect.

    Trying to fix it after the event was never going to work and the Unions used it to the greatest effect and Howard’s overreach could never be reversed. Abbott objected to the WorkChoices legislation because of the ‘no disadvantage test’

    I didn;t agree with Howard on a lot of things but this was was fatal.

  71. jumpnmcar

    If the category is ” Most Embarrassing Performance by an MP ”
    then Whyalla wipe-out is the unbackable favourite.

  72. sdfc

    Hawke and Keating presided over the worst economic disaster since the 1930s.

    The 90s recession was a watershed in Australia’s economic history. Australia entered the recession as a high interest rate, high inflation economy and left it as a comparatively low interest rate, low inflation economy.

  73. Jc

    But the question you must ask is the counterfactual: how much worse would Australia have been had we continued under the Liberals.

    Dickhead, the Libs with Howard at the forefront was supportive of those reforms. Furthermore Labor really had no choice as they were forced to float which caused the other reforms to follow on.

  74. John Mc

    If the category is ” Most Embarrassing Performance by an MP ”
    then Whyalla wipe-out is the unbackable favourite.

    Would have to be odds-on favourite for this years winner.

    I’m amazed it didn’t go viral around the world. Probably did.

  75. Jc

    The 90s recession was a watershed in Australia’s economic history. Australia entered the recession as a high interest rate, high inflation economy and left it as a comparatively low interest rate, low inflation economy.

    It knocked the socks off the economy. It wasn’t the recession we had to have, it was the unnecessary recession principally caused by a government unwilling to take the necessary medicine with respect to wages and allowing some latitude in labor markets.

    Anyone who thinks material reforms can occur without labor market flexibility is fucked in the head.

    Commodity prices continued to head south and we had a labor market unable to adjust to the new reality. Furthermore monetary policy became fuckead Keating’s plaything and we saw this with the composition of his useless board and governors like Johnson and that other idiot Bernie Fraser.

    You may want to explain what the fuck was Holmes a’court’s wife doing on the RBA board?

  76. Jc

    Tinterella

    Howard’s big mistake was that he should have been softening up the punters for a decade before institution workchoices. They/he never did the hard yards in explaining it. He surprised the punters with the good reform and it went down the toilet like pwice on Carbin will. The only difference between the two of course was that Howard never lied to the electorate like this appalling lowrent slapper.

  77. .

    Back to your Black Knight impersonations, I see, Dotty. When your failure to recognise an obvious spoof comment for what it was is revealed, you simply raise up your torso, pretend your limbs are still attached, and keep rehearsing your initial stupidities.

    Yeah, an “obvious spoof” that only took you about a week to declare.

    You’re too clever by half dickhead. You lied and you weren’t as smart as you thought you were, and you got caught out.

    “Psychiatry degree” – this wasn’t a joke. You were quite serious and you went running away with your tail behind your legs when it was explained to you that this was not how psychiatrists got qualified. However, despite being too incompetent to lie, Bragg feels he can pass judgment on defence projects and the like.

    The little credibility you had is shot. No one takes you seriously anymore.

    What a chucklehead. As a bludging public servant, he has risen to his level of incompetence.

  78. manalive

    If the category is ” Most Embarrassing Performance by an MP ”
    then Whyalla wipe-out is the unbackable favourite …

    In between twittering, the Trade Minister “had been working on the lyrics for a number of days” and it doesn’t even scan.

  79. Jc

    Dot

    The fucking moron said he wants to impose a suit/envy tax to prevent people from going to job interviews in more expensive attire than others.

    He refers to da carbin tax as a transfer forgetting the impact it has particularly on the traded goods sector.

    He’s equally appalling as Homer but seems to have slightly better diction. Like Homer we own him mentally now.

  80. Greg James

    If the category is ” Most Embarrassing Performance by an MP ”
    then Whyalla wipe-out is the unbackable favourite.

    Agreed. Nothing I would think gets much more cringeworthy than this, plus it is on video as well, so we can all watch and cringe in embarrassment as the good doctor [FFS who gives these things out?] makes a complete and utter dildo of himself.

    His spectacularly subprime performance on Bolt and Price wasn’t bad as well, but I don’t think anything could beat this clip.

    For me “Whyally Wipeout” by Clown Emerson easily takes the cake.

    But if the entry has to be after the calling of the election date, then I don’t know. No doubt there will be a smorgasbord of select morsels of stupidity to come from Gillard and her hopeless cohort over the next 6 months or so.

  81. Tintarella di Luna

    Howard never lied to the electorate like this appalling lowrent slapper.

    That is why I will not be lectured by her about honesty, I will not. I have never in my almost 60 years ever loathed anyone, but I loathe Ms Gillard with a burning loathing that really frightens me. Gillard is bad for my mental health and the only cure is vanting. It does help but not as much as a cleanout of all the leftist empires built in what should be sensible institutions but have been usurped by the intolerant ignoramuses of the left.

  82. Jc

    Tint

    Stop all this relentless negativity.

    Just know that every time a poll comes out it causes the lowrent lying slapper more and more pain. She hates that. You can even tell from her pursed lips whenever she’s quizzed about being so unpopular.

  83. Rob

    Does Bragg share an alma mater with Field Marshal Justice Sir Marcus Einfeld KCMG, DSO, VC and Bar, AO, HSC?

    Leigh, you left out RTA.

  84. Tintarella di Luna

    You can even tell from her pursed lips whenever she’s quizzed about being so unpopular.

    I resile from contemplating those chicken lips…., oops I really am getting a little personal and negative aren’t I, must be the half a bottle of Cow Bombie, I more respectable tipple, I may then be a little more positive that Ms Gillard is a basilisk avoiding at all costs the cock’s crow on the morning of the general election.

  85. Tintarella di Luna

    oops I must seek a more respectable tipple – slurred keyboarding

  86. sdfc

    The wages share of total factor income had fallen to a near 20-year low when the RBA was tightening rates in the late 80s so no it wasn’t high wages that drove the recession. RBA policy instigated it, RBA policy ended it.

    Yes falling commodity prices made the recession worse, but then I have made that point here before.

  87. Leo G

    “a sort of cross-between the Booker and the Pulitzer for Australian politics”

    Surely, the sort most appropriate for Australian politicians yields to the Poolicker Prize?

  88. Jc

    The wages share of total factor income had fallen to a near 20-year low when the RBA was tightening rates in the late 80s so no it wasn’t high wages that drove the recession. RBA policy instigated it, RBA policy ended it.

    So what, you idiot. Commodity prices were at 100 year lows which means that if wages were at a 20 year low in relative terms they were still far too high when commodity prices were at a 100 year low. 20 year lows means the late 60′s early 70′s during which time commodity prices were doing very nicely.

    Yes falling commodity prices made the recession worse, but then I have made that point here before.

    When?

  89. sdfc

    No the terms of trade was around the levels it attained through much of the 60s in 1988/89.

    I’ve discussed RGDI as being the most important indicator of our prosperity on numerous occassions on this site as you well know. Don’t be a goose.

  90. Jc

    No the terms of trade was around the levels it attained through much of the 60s in 1988/89.

    The recession we had to have was around 90 to 92. 88/89 saw a monetary expansion around the world that hadn’t still been soaked up as a result of the 87 crash.

    These were shit years for commods.

    I’ve discussed RGDI as being the most important indicator of our prosperity on numerous occassions on this site as you well know. Don’t be a goose.

    In a bitter and twisted MMT way.

  91. sdfc

    A visit to the RBA and the ABS should be your next port of call.

  92. Jc

    I simply asked when, SDFC and no more. No need for such abusive treatment from you.

  93. Septimus

    Funny … I had the distinct impression that Judith’s post was to find either or both of:

    the worst policy suggestion, or

    the worst quote from a politician uttered

    … during the election campaign

    But, I could be wrong ;)

  94. Leo G

    His double standards should not rule this Parliament.” – JG

  95. Jc

    A visit to the RBA and the ABS should be your next port of call.

    Okay.. Here, as I said. Terms of trade hit a low point in 1987, then ripped higher until 1989 and then absolutely collapsed from 89 to 93.

    Suck on that SDFC.

    Look Doofus, I know this shit because they were some of my best trading years making the bank I worked for a fortune in the aussie during these years.

    That absolute idiot Bernie Fraser squeezed the living daylights out of this economy while the terms of trade was collapsing. He should have been charged with impersonating an economist instead of being a clown.

  96. Ronaldo

    “PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has urged people in NSW to stay away from floodwaters”.

    This is a highly irresponsible suggestion – she is so disliked that many people may do the opposite just to spite her.

  97. jupes

    “PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has urged people in NSW to stay away from floodwaters”.

    FMD. Who the hell does she think she is talking to … two year olds?

  98. Alfonso

    Stopped clock, twice a day.
    The F35 was a silly choice pre any major program hiccups.
    Australia needed to bypass the F35/ F22 new generation types for obvious reasons. The F35 is a naughty single engine, short range, limited capacity fighter, a standoff weapons platform, an F16 replacement.
    The Israelis are gonna be pissed it doesn’t dogfight like it has to on a ME battlefield.
    The F22 has got the goods but at a price we can’t afford for credible numbers.

    Aust needs but one thing and that’s permanent air superiority over Indonesia. The much cheaper but capable Super Hornet or F15Ks gives us that until Gen 2 F35 arrives in 25 years with specs probably like a pilotless F22.

    The blue sky RAAF wants highest tech new toys and will run any BS mission scenario at govt to get them.

  99. Tel

    Sheesh, this thread took off fast. I’m quoting Wayne Swan here:

    It would be irresponsible to make further cuts in 2012-13 to fill a hole in tax revenue if this would lead to higher unemployment or jeopardise our economic growth.

    This decision reaffirms Labor’s commitment to jobs and growth, in contrast to the Coalition’s mantra of cruel cuts to services and disregard for Australian jobs.

    Labor has a very good record of managing the budget responsibly and in a balanced way, making savings while supporting growth and jobs.

    I’m not claiming to be very clever putting this in as my entry, I got it in before anyone else mentioned the obvious.

  100. Tel

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has urged people in NSW to stay away from floodwaters.

    I do remember seeing video of Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, instructing people to “stay indoors” while himself standing outside in the pouring rain, and a whole bunch of his lackeys silently behind him also getting wet.

    At least Gillard gave the appearance of legitimacy by following her own advice.

  101. jupes

    The blue sky RAAF wants highest tech new toys and will run any BS mission scenario at govt to get them.

    And yet, apart from a very brief period over Iraq in 2003, they weren’t used as close air support for our diggers in the ME. This despite Angus Houston serving as CDF.

    High tech toys are one thing, operational experience is another. Why spend billions on one part of the equation while neglecting the other? Madness.

  102. Aliice

    JC says
    “You may want to explain what the fuck was Holmes a’court’s wife doing on the RBA board?”

    If Keating set that up (holme’s a Courts wife being on the RBA board) it wouldnt surprise me at all. A greater Armani suit wearing grovelling sycophant there never was. I no longer trust the RBA and Im sure I have good reasons not to. Keating destroyed industry in this country and made us part of the great global suck super flow of solid gold straight into the coffers of bankers by law. I reckon this one single arrogant bastard did more harm than all the prime ministers before and since (with the exception of Johnny going to war in Iraq and on workers rights).

  103. Aliice

    I second Candy’s suggestion
    Macklin “I could live on the dole”

  104. rod

    How about Wayne Swan at the G20 (as reported by the Australian): “Wayne Swan has called for more debt-financed public spending to revive economic growth and create jobs in the developed world, suggesting fiscal austerity had failed.”

    Doesn’t he realise that this is how he got us into this mess in the first place? I am terrified that they might get back in. We would then be completely stuffed.

  105. sdfc

    I simply asked when, SDFC and no more. No need for such abusive treatment from you.

    Come off it JC, I’ve discussed the importance of the terms of trade on national income and employment ad nauseam on this site. You should know this, you’ve argued with me often enough.

    As for the RBA, they caused the perhaps the worst recession since the 30s but then took the opportunity to sharply reduce inflation. The result was a lower inflation, lower interest rate environment which has been to the advantage of the economy.

    As painful as that recession was it had some positive effects. The new found resilence of the economy following that event was demonstrated during the Asian crisis.

  106. Alfonso

    The RAAF lusts after / accurately assesses itself as desperately needing an F111 replacement. A superbly capable machine whose frame and engines got too old but whose mission remains

  107. John Mc

    Alfonso, what would you recommend to replace the F-111?

  108. codger

    The best is yet to come…
    Sat.14.9.13…7.50pm
    Red Kerrie: If I could break in here Anthony and switch to Qld, it seems ‘our’ member for Whyalla is facing a wipeout…

  109. Alfonso

    Another F111….. with new frame, newer moderately higher bypass engines (easy grists to P&W or GE’s mill).
    Give General Dynamics its head (not), radar stealth good, super radar stealth not necessary…..old F111 can fly Tindal to Indo at 200′ overwater and eliminate anything……undetected, with 50k lbs of free fall ordnance or standoff new stuff.

    The available alternative is the F15K…the aircraft the Israeli’s would use to attack Iran…..the deep Iranian bunkers being immune to IDF GBUs, so it’s only theoretical and can’t happen.

  110. John Mc

    I think another F111 is the only thing that could fill the full capability of the F111. I don’t know anything about the F15K, but I’m guessing it’s got nothing like the same range and probably payload. Unfortunately for someone with the requirements of Australia it’s not made anymore and there is nothing really quite like it.

  111. Borisgodunov

    Dont the Russians make planes any more?They were the benchmark for all US manufacturers to beat! And lots of countries bought them,Probaly cheaper than the Yanks!They are not the Enemy Any More ?Maybe the powers that be are Maaates with the Yanks?

  112. John Mc

    Yes, Boris, the Russians are making new aircraft like this.

  113. John Mc

    For the record I think it will be the Chinese, not the Russians, that are the next big commercial force in aerospace.

  114. Tel

    The RAAF lusts after / accurately assesses itself as desperately needing an F111 replacement. A superbly capable machine whose frame and engines got too old but whose mission remains.

    Where that mission is basically keeping Indonesia cognisant that we can be through there and out the other side, long before they have any idea what hit them. To be fair though, the goobers did promise us a replacement long ago.

    Given that the F-111 was a massive boondoggle, over budget, delivered late, never actually got the terrain contour “under the radar” features working, it does seem kind of appropriate that it be replaced with the F-35 JSF.

  115. Free Advice

    Im not sure you experts realise that the F35 jas what is called STOVL which stands for Short Take Off Vertical Landing. And I mean literally vertical landing. Its the most amazing thing Ive ever seen in an aircraft.
    And it can take off in just over half the length of an ordinary aircraft carrier.
    One day this technology will be standard in all passenger aircraft!

  116. Verandah

    We are Russ.
    We live in Girt-by-sea.
    We ring Joyce ‘cos she is free.

    G’day Russ.

  117. Verandah

    We ring Joyce ‘cos she is young and free.

    Russ.

  118. Alfonso

    Free Advice…yeah nice tricks but that capability reduces range and payload…Aust has no need of Vertol

  119. Free Advice

    Its way smoother and more manoeuvrable than the Harrier jump jet, which was too noisy, and the F35 uses much less power. Check it out.

  120. Alfonso

    “I don’t know anything about the F15K, but I’m guessing it’s got nothing like the same range and probably payload”…. correct.

  121. John Mc

    Not all the F35 variants are STOVL. I don’t know what our breakdown is but I’m confident most of them won’t be.

  122. Rococo Liberal

    Even if representing urban electorates I think each ALP MP could be regarded as a country member.

    Yes, we remember

  123. Alfonso

    “F-111 was a massive boondoggle, over budget, delivered late,”….correct….a new Gen, like the F35….the main prob was the swing wing bearings. Now the technology is well matured.

    “never actually got the terrain contour “under the radar” features working”……BS….it’s planned strategic mission was overwater at 200′….did that superbly….on autopilot with the screen down.

  124. Alfonso

    Free Advice…read my 8:07 again.

    John M …no-one said they were. See my 8:07.

  125. John Mc

    One day this technology will be standard in all passenger aircraft!

    I like your enthusiasm, but I’d bet not in the next 100 years, probably more.

  126. Alfonso

    “One day this technology will be standard in all passenger aircraft!”

    No it won’t, the range, payload, spec fuel consumption, revenue per cost dollar penalties make that impossible, except for special situations and military use.

    Anything you can design Vertol commercial I can make cheaper and better performing with a runway.

  127. Mike of Marion

    Alfonso

    24 Feb 13 at 8:14 pm

    From my recall, the Pommy TSR-2 had a “simple” hinge (like a door hinge) for the swing wing and when Menzies went for the F-111, the Yanks had a complicated ball joint mechanism (not unlike a front hub of a AWD car). The Yanks wouldn’t pay royalties for the simpler and more effective hinge the Poms had. The early F-111 swing mechanism was too weak at first and led to failures

  128. Free Advice

    More range and payload means less manouverability. The F1-11 is a bit like a late 60s Cadillac . Great speed in a straight line with a huge tank but it can be seen a mile away. The F18 and F22 are great jets but its early 80s technology with no stealth characteristics. Bit like an 80s. Ferrari. No match for the latest MIGs.

    Incidentally, i understand the fastest ever average speed in a lap for a Formula 1 car was set in the mid 1970s!

  129. Alfonso

    “F22 are great jets but its early 80s technology with no stealth characteristics. Bit like an 80s. Ferrari. No match for the latest MIGs.”

    Oh…I see i have to stop talking to you. A poseur.

  130. Boambee John

    Candy @ 1148:

    Jenny Macklin is paid $5000 per week, I doubt that she earns it!

  131. Tel

    “never actually got the terrain contour “under the radar” features working”……BS….it’s planned strategic mission was overwater at 200′….did that superbly….on autopilot with the screen down.

    A very quick search demonstrates you are just wrong.

    The F-111′s automatic terrain-following radar system flies the craft at a constant altitude following the Earth’s contours. It allows the aircraft to fly in valleys and over mountains, day or night, regardless of weather conditions. Should any of the system’s circuits fail, the aircraft automatically initiates a climb.

    http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/f111_aardvark.htm

    The problem being that after using that feature a number of times, they decided it was better to stop losing pilots.

  132. Alfonso

    Yeah, Mike, alas the TSR offence was against aviation DNA .

    It was like choosing a Pommie design destined to be unsupported and inadequate to the mission or one the USAF was committed to and would develop and improve. Your hinge politics is rough.

    Correct choice.

  133. Carpe Jugulum

    No match for the latest MIGs.

    On a side note the Mig 15 & 17 and the F86 Sabre are probably the most beautiful aircraft ever made.

    The F16 runs a close sceond.

  134. Alfonso

    Tel, rubbish…..you didn’t absorb 8:14.

    “it’s planned strategic mission was overwater at 200′….did that superbly….on autopilot with the screen down.”

    Contour flying was rudimentary pre Cruise Missiles….the Australian F111s had no need to fly pre loaded contours to Indo….just the sea.
    Mission accomplished.

  135. Free Advice

    Nothing beats an F18 for beauty.

    But the main point is, like anything be it cars, computers, phones or even houses, new technology will always be far superior to the old stuff, despite the teething problems.
    Relax, they’ll get there in the end.

  136. Tel

    The F1-11 is a bit like a late 60s Cadillac . Great speed in a straight line with a huge tank but it can be seen a mile away.

    I don’t think there are any modern fighter aircraft that can beat an F-111 in a straight line drag race at top speed. However, a BrahMos cruise missile can easily outrun an F-111 (very likely out manouver it too) and no one cares if the BrahMos happens to crash. Next generation BrahMos will be Mach 5, after that Mach 7. I happen to think the Indians will deliver on that. I expect the price will go down as production volume increases.

  137. Carpe Jugulum

    Nothing beats an F18 for beauty.

    Bollocks, The Mig 15, F86, F16, A10 and of course the classic Mosquito have a more beautiful line than the FA18.

    Granted, they are a handsome aircraft but not a classic.

  138. Tel

    Contour flying was rudimentary pre Cruise Missiles….the Australian F111s had no need to fly pre loaded contours to Indo….just the sea.

    So what you are saying is we never used the feature, even though the supplier advertised it. But wait! That’s what I said in the first place. Brilliant!

  139. Rococo Liberal

    I see the nerds have taken over the thread.

    Next they’ll be telling ua about sci-fi novels or the insinia on German uniforms in the Second World War.

  140. William Bragg

    Yeah, an “obvious spoof” that only took you about a week to declare.

    Well, guess what Dotty, we can test that because the relevant posts, with their times attached, are available for all to see here.

    It shows that my comment with the line in question was posted at 9.39am on the 20th, and that – after a series of attempted “gotcha” comments from you and some other excitable Cats (who also didn’t realise that they were self-nominating for the less-than-half-a-brain category) – I responded the same evening (ie 9.33pm on the 20th), pointing out your folly in treating such a statement as if it were intended to be taken as “a totally serious statement of literal fact”. And the additional “Idiot’s Guide” explanation was posted just 28 hours later – after another comment from your colleague, wreckage, demonstrating his continued befuddlement.

    The little credibility you had is shot.

    You fall for an obvious spoof, treating it as if it were intended as fact, and then set me a challenge of whether it were a spoof or not that I can easily pass, and you think that my credibility is shot. LOL.

  141. Rococo Liberal

    us and insignia

  142. Carpe Jugulum

    or the insinia on German uniforms in the Second World War.

    Funny you should mention that, the British had a similar deaths head badge to the SS.

    Gi figure.

  143. Ellen of Tasmania

    His relentless negativity is relentless…

    Abbott: Yes, but only because your relentless stuff-ups are relentless.

  144. Carpe Jugulum

    Oh dear god, Dr W Bragg MBBS NFI SFA SNAFU(Hons liar) is back polluting the thread.

  145. Tel

    I see the nerds have taken over the thread.

    Nerds are the main advantage the Western powers have over the Islamists. If you don’t like it, then by all means pick up your sword and chain mail.

  146. Alfonso

    No dolt, IF auto contour flying over terrain is infinitely more challenging to an autopilot system than flying off a continuous flat fixed surface…like the sea.

    The ocean is a continuous flat expanse, well coped with by early low level flying auto systems. This means the strategic mission to Indo was unaffected .

    Getting it yet?

  147. Rococo Liberal

    Braggy is protesting too much.

    He is the country member of the Catallaxy trolls.

  148. .

    Well, guess what Dotty, we can test that because the relevant posts, with their times attached, are available for all to see here.

    Yes they can and they can see that you are a blithering idiot.

    You fall for an obvious spoof

    Yes it was so obvious it took you half a day to come up with some bullshit about it being satire.

    You got caught out bullshitting, please do the honourable thing and just fuck off you oxygen thief.

    “Ooh I’m clever! I can lie!”

    You are no smarter than a fecal obsessed toddler, shit for brains.

  149. .

    Understanding Libertarianism as deeply as I do – I studied the condition during my psychiatry degree – I fully understand the mindset of sore but still zealous loser like Dotty and her need to attack the thing – in this case- me – that has gotten under her skin. I thus forgive her for lnot being able to exercise much self-control and lashing out with the usual Cattallaxian grace.

    Seeing that you only use this forum as a way to personally attack me out of your jealously for being an incompetent idiot promoted way beyond his incompetence, and to push your bizzare ideas about banning free speech and making up decisions for the commoners, and that blood donation recipients are “free riders”, please explain, how the fuck that was *obvious* satire.

  150. Carpe Jugulum

    You are no smarter than a fecal obsessed toddler, shit for brains.

    Thats a bit unfair on toddlers, i wouldn’t put Dr Bragg (TLS, NFI SFA [Hons Liar]) that high up on the food chain.

    Perhaps less self awareness then an amoeba would work?

  151. Honesty

    Is it just the election campaign or can we sneak in a few from the past? Albo quoting Michael Douglas in the famous Hollywood movie “The American President” is hard to beat.

    Emmerson is more of a fool with Whyalla Wipeout but he asked Red Symons if he could use it and he at least changed the words.

    So Emmo is the biggest fuckwit but that is not the award (he is the black caviar of fuckwits so he would be unbackable) the award is best quote and I just dont see how you could go past Albo and Hollywood.

  152. .

    William Bragg also used to troll the old Australian Libertarian Society forum as a Christian fundamentalist sockpuppet who oppposed all kinds of social liberties.

    A man with a canoe and no paddle, is that right, Jacob Jones? Or should I say Clever Dick?

    What the fuck motivates social retards like this I will never understand.

    John Humphreys once sprayed this bloke as “someone who was a very good economist I used to have respect for but who has chosen to give up economics to be a partisan hack”.

    Basically we have a fuckwit corrupted by a sense of power and an inflated ego under the Rudd/Gillard regime.

    The upside is the vain prick will probably crack come election night.

  153. William Bragg

    As I have said a few times now, Dotty, if you – a Libertarian – cannot see how casting Libertarianism as being a psychiatric “condition” is a spoof, perhaps it really is one.

  154. .

    As I have said a few times now, Dotty, if you – a Libertarian – cannot see how casting Libertarianism as being a psychiatric “condition” is a spoof, perhaps it really is one.

    Because, dickhead, you seriously pushed the idea that blood donation recipients were “free riders”. You actually defended the idea after you were chided for it.

    …and now the “well this lie isn’t working out so it mightn’t be a lie after all…”

    “No your honour, I didn’t shoot him, I stabbed him, and I’m also not guilty because I wasn’t there!”

    Fuckhead.

  155. Carpe Jugulum

    perhaps it really is one.

    Dr Bragg (TLS, NFI SFA [Hons Liar]) please seek the help of a real professional i fear you may self harm.

    Your obsession with particular individuals is called stalking, (something an eminent professional liar such as yourself would know)

    Perhaphps you whould stop fondling yourself whilst you type, that may help.

  156. Free Advice

    Someone once said:

    “A Libertarian is just a Conservative with a bong”!

  157. Driftforge

    Someone once said:

    “A Libertarian is just a Conservative with a bong”!

    You felt the need to make that comment because…. ?

  158. Driftforge

    I think someone needs to understand the difference between a spoof and a troll.

    A spoof has class.

  159. Econocrat

    The Hon. Julia Gillard, Prime Minister:

    When kids start school around 74 per cent of them are at risk of not learning to read well. We can reduce that. Indeed studies show that we can reduce that to six per cent…

    I would add that 54 per cent of 12 year olds with the internet at home are at risk of not believing randomly asserted statistics.

  160. Gab

    There’s is nothing ‘honourable’ about her at all.

  161. Jc

    The upside is the vain prick will probably crack come election night.

    He’s already cracked. We own him. He’s our chattel.

  162. Eyrie

    The nerds here don’t have a clue. The TSR2 didn’t have a swing wing. Only the F-35B model is STOVL. General Dynamics sold their aircraft division to LockMart years ago.
    I happen to know that the RAAF is very happy with the Super Hornet and the other off the shelf acquisition, the C-17.

  163. Jim Rose

    this gallery list broken promises. some because they were unwise.

    see http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6n6-1226011992172?page=5

    John howard made various never will be a GST promises.

    the 1993 tax cuts were law: L-A-W

  164. candy

    “The Hon. Julia Gillard, Prime Minister:

    When kids start school around 74 per cent of them are at risk of not learning to read well. ”

    I’m not sure what Ms Gillard is saying there – that most little ones already have a learning disorder when they start school or many teachers are going to be useless.
    what a put down to parents and teachers

  165. min

    Emerson is fast becoming the screw that holds the cabinet together

  166. Pickles

    Emerson is the screw and Stupid is the glue min.

  167. brc

    Incidentally, i understand the fastest ever average speed in a lap for a Formula 1 car was set in the mid 1970s!

    This is completely untrue. If there is some stat that shows this it would e from a high speed track no longer raced due to being too dangerous. The speeds go up year after year. Very few lap records are more than three years old.

  168. squawkbox

    Since the 70s most GP tracks have been modified to incorporate more curves and shorter straights. Also the size and number of cylinders of Formula 1 engines has decreased. So while I can’t be bothered to check, it is possible that a 70s lap record still stands.

  169. wreckage

    after another comment from your colleague, wreckage, demonstrating his continued befuddlement.

    If by continued befuddlement, you mean your “spoof” belied a total ignorance of the subject matter and I took your arse to school, then yes. Befuddlement all the way down.

    Do you want to know the educational requirements to be considered a Psychiatrist? I just thought you might be curious.

  170. sdog

    We are Russ.
    We live in Girt-by-sea.
    We ring Joyce ‘cos she is free.

    G’day Russ.

    I’m not Russ, I’m Mervin.

    Mervin Ford. For horse trailers.

  171. Leo G

    “When kids start school around 74 per cent of them are at risk of not learning to read well. We can reduce that. Indeed studies show that we can reduce that to six per cent…” – JG

    Econocrat, that’s an interesting fallacy. Only children who can’t already read well are at risk of not learning to read well. Even if schooling was to have a 99% reading success rate 100% of children who can’t read when they start school are at risk of not learning to read well.
    So to reduce the risk from 74% to 6%, either we ensure 94% can read well before they start school, or we only allow 1.5% of children who don’t read well to start school (ie we don’t allow 72.5% of children to start school).

  172. William Bragg

    He’s already cracked. We own him. He’s our chattel.

    More feverish beating of your invisible hand, JC, but nothing’s touching me, So maybe its just the way you, Dotty and other lonely Libertarians bond.

    …and now the “well this lie isn’t working out so it mightn’t be a lie after all…”

    You’re the one who set the credibilty test, Dotty, and I passed it. Thanks for c#ming.

    Fuckhead.

    I realise that you’re a bit of a slow learner Dotty but, as I’ve mentioned before, there really is no need for you to sign-off at the bottom of your comments as the system automatically tells us the author over there on the right.

  173. Entropy


    this gallery list broken promises. some because they were unwise.

    see http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6n6-1226011992172?page=5

    John howard made various never will be a GST promises.

    the 1993 tax cuts were law: L-A-W

    Jim Rose
    24 Feb 13 at 10:19 pm


    That’s pretty mendacious, Jim. They sort of, deliberately, I suspect forget to mention took the GST to an election. As the centrepiece of his campaign. If ever there was a mandate, that was it. They are on firmer ground on his no new taxes though. Didn’t he add a tax to super, and up luxury car sales tax?

  174. brc

    Since the 70s most GP tracks have been modified to incorporate more curves and shorter straights. Also the size and number of cylinders of Formula 1 engines has decreased. So while I can’t be bothered to check, it is possible that a 70s lap record still stands.

    The peak power is lower on modern cars than the 80s turbo models but the aero and tyre tech means the cars are much faster. Even still a 2004 v10 3 liter was pushing 1000hp in race trim. The only reason a track record would stand is if the track is no longer used.

  175. wreckage

    When Howard reversed his position on a GST, he took it to an election. Everyone who voted in that election knew his clearly communicated intent was to introduce a GST if he won. That’s not a deception, that’s changing your mind.

  176. wreckage

    sdog, you might be mervin forward, but do you own an egg nishner?

    Aorta do something about the roads, too.

  177. Free Advice

    The fastest lap was set in 1985 by keke rosberg 259 kmh average speed at the british gp.
    The fastest speed was set by juan pablo montoya 262 kmh in 2004 at the italian gp.
    But i undestand that the fastest average lap speed was set in the mid 70s (by reutermann i think).

  178. sdog

    Fuck F-1 anyway. NASCAR, baby! #Daytona500

  179. Free Advice

    Correction: delete word average from keke rosbergs time.
    259 kmh was fastest speed during fastest lap in 1985!

  180. JamesK

    Fuck F-1 anyway. NASCAR, baby! #Daytona500

    NASCAR has Danica, the rest of the pussies are in F1

  181. William Bragg

    Well I’ve obviously gotten under your skins, JC, so yes, in that sense, and if it makes you feel less inadequate, feel feel to imagine that you own me if you like.

  182. Free Advice

    Nascar is designed for bogans from the mid and deep south, like V8s here for Qld and Nsw and canberra. They still have gear sticks in a tiptronic type way. No paddles yet. Designed to sell factory cars.
    F1 is more about latest technology.
    Hence the F35 analogy.

  183. Jc

    feel feel to imagine that you own me if you like.

    Why would I do a stupid thing like that Braggs. They I would be a moron like you.

  184. Jeremy

    “Look, what we’re talking about here is this: the Rudd/Gillard ‘government’ is not only the worst government in Australian history (including the colonial era) but the worst government in the Anglophone world in contemporary history.
    For killing more than 1100 people at sea, its senior members should be brought before the ICC.

    C.L.
    24 Feb 13 at 12:16 pm”

    Is CL actually deranged enough to believe that, or just shameless enough to claim it? Have you people seriously convinced yourselves Labor is “killing people at sea”?

  185. Econocrat

    “When kids start school around 74 per cent of them are at risk of not learning to read well. We can reduce that. Indeed studies show that we can reduce that to six per cent…” – JG

    Econocrat, that’s an interesting fallacy. Only children who can’t already read well are at risk of not learning to read well. Even if schooling was to have a 99% reading success rate 100% of children who can’t read when they start school are at risk of not learning to read well.
    So to reduce the risk from 74% to 6%, either we ensure 94% can read well before they start school, or we only allow 1.5% of children who don’t read well to start school (ie we don’t allow 72.5% of children to start school).

    Yes, it’s like she’s saying: “We cannot rely on schools to teach children, so we must teach them before they get there.”

  186. worst policy suggestion

    I want to know the criteria. For example could be to do with electoral success or is it about good for the country etc., these can be very different things indeed.

  187. John A

    Econocrat, you said:
    “Yes, it’s like she’s saying: “We cannot rely on schools to teach children, so we must teach them before they get there.” ”

    Not a bad idea! It’s called home education. Parents do it for the first five years of a child’s life. Why not extend that?

  188. sam w

    UNDERMINDING OUR PRIME MINISTER

  189. Splatacrobat

    “We are Queenslanders.
    “We’re the people that they breed tough, north of the border.
    “We’re the ones that they knock down, and we get up again.”
    Anna Bligh Jan 2011

    She said yesterday was a “heartbreaking day” for the Labor Party in Queensland and the party needed to focus immediately on rebuilding.
    “This is not a task that can be achieved with me at the head of the team or indeed as part of the team,”.
    Anna Bligh Mar 2012

  190. Leigh Lowe

    That’s just hyper-bowl, Sam.

  191. Splatacrobat

    “There’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the Dogs than there is any change in the Labor Party,”

    The Labor Party has gone to the dogs so that’s one prophecy she got at least half right.

  192. Up The Workers!

    You’re right Splatacrobat, at 8.41 am, and ever since Juliar replaced Big Bad Barry Hall at Bulldogs full-forward, the Dogs have barely kicked a goal and have been languishing near the bottom of the ladder.

    Just like the A.L.P.

    LABOR

    (It has no place for “U” or “I” in it!).

  193. Carpe Jugulum

    UNDERMINDING OUR PRIME MINISTER

    Leave kevni and maxwell swan out of this.

  194. Keith

    She didn’t even bother with full forward, and went straight into the captain’s job.

    First female dog captain.

    Make of that what you will.

  195. Old Fridgie

    The fastest lap was set in 1985 by keke rosberg 259 kmh average speed at the british gp.
    The fastest speed was set by juan pablo montoya 262 kmh in 2004 at the italian gp.
    But i undestand that the fastest average lap speed was set in the mid 70s (by reutermann i think).

    From Wiki

    Highest Speed 372.6 km/h (231.523 mph) 2005 Italian GP by Juan Pablo Montoya

    Highest average lap speed 262.242 km/h (162.950 mph) 2004 Italian GP by Juan Pablo Montoya

    Fastest lap in British GP (Silverstone) 1:34.661 Kimi-Matias Räikkönen in 2012

    Yeah so pretty close to 1970.

  196. Adam Diver

    The winner has to be Emmo’s song and dance


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZboCxbTzHk

    Warning: Grotesque footage, may cause vomiting

  197. Adam Diver

    Apologies to Jumpncar, I missed their comment, I would like to add my vote to the whyalla wipe-out

  198. JamesK

    Have you people seriously convinced yourselves Labor is “killing people at sea”?

    I’m glad to hear dingbat Jeremy Sear doesn’t think Labor should shoulder the blame alone.

    All the leftists creeps screaming for Rudd to change Howard’s truly humane policy are to blame as well.

    Thoroughly self-important and culpably ignorant tossers such as Jeremy Sear and Julian Burnside spring to mind.

  199. Hugh Givesjuan

    Gillard:

    “We’re able to walk gum, sorry to chew and walk gum….”

    Reporter: “walk and chew gum at the same time”

    Gillard: “Yes, there you go, that’s it”

    Priceless

  200. Has anyone noticed that the uniforms of the officers in Starship Troopers were modelled on Wehrmacht uniforms, down to the colour and the collar insignia?

  201. Sorry RL – could not resist a double header.

  202. Splatacrobat

    Has anyone noticed that the uniforms of the officers in Starship Troopers were modelled on Wehrmacht uniforms, down to the colour and the collar insignia?

    It’s nice to see Winston that even in the midst of a intergalactic alien bug war that a collar and windsor knot tie can still command some respect .

    You can thank Hugo Boss for the fashioning up of fascists. I wonder if Hugo Boss is the Tailor of choice for those that protest against Max Brenners?

  203. Supplice

    This exchange is my fave. Granted, not election campaign material, but a potential Liberal ad or five.

  204. a collar and windsor knot tie

    That’s not a Windsor-knot but a simple four-in-hand.

  205. officers in Starship Troopers were modelled on Wehrmacht uniforms, down to the colour and the collar insignia?

    More like the uniforms of the Waffen SS, surely.

  206. Oh come on

    On a side note the Mig 15 & 17 and the F86 Sabre are probably the most beautiful aircraft ever made.

    Fan of 1950s aviation, huh? The Avro Vulcan is clearly a more beautiful machine than those three.

    I don’t even know how you could consider those MiGs vaguely attractive, let alone beautiful. Stubbly little things are all out of proportion.

  207. Helen Armstrong

    Unfortunately before the date so ineligible, but no truer words were ever spoken – prophetic, in fact,

    ‘A good government had lost its way.’

    J Gillard, fortune teller.

  208. Tel

    Alfonso, let’s just recap while I demonstrate your complete inability to read, I started with:

    never actually got the terrain contour “under the radar” features working

    You came back with:

    “BS….it’s planned strategic mission was overwater at 200′….did that superbly….on autopilot with the screen down.”

    Then I demonstrated that the supplier did in fact advertise that such features were supposed to be supported.

    So wait, did they get the “under the radar features working”? Hmmm? Now you are trying to change the subject with “IF auto contour flying over terrain is infinitely more challenging to an autopilot system than flying off a continuous flat fixed surface…like the sea.”

    Oh you don’t say, but I repeat, never actually got the terrain contour “under the radar” features working just like I said in the first place. Obviously they can fly over something flat, but that’s not what was promised.

    Comprehension not your strong point is it?

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