Guest Post – Mk50: European Fascism Redux

[Update: sdog suggests this post is very similar to an article at the American Thinker. Mk50's response is here. Several others have provided additional speculation and commentary. In the meantime I have emailed Mk50. Sinc.

Update II: Mk 50 provides a detailed explanation here. Sinc.]

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. We are seeing this now in Europe. Oh, the media has not twigged yet (they never do until it’s far too late), but the markets have. Capital flight from Italy was already running strongly. This week it became an avalanche.

The Swiss and Singaporeans are doing well.

1922 was a very bad year in Italy. The economy was in free-fall, unemployment was soaring, even the Navy was being shut down to save money. In the south, the mafia was essentially running the place. Benito Mussolini got 25% of the vote in the elections of that year. In 1924 he exceeded 50% of the vote.

We all know the rest.

2012 was a very bad year in Italy. The economy was in free-fall, unemployment was soaring, even the Navy was being shut down to save money. In the south, the mafia was essentially running the place. In the elections of 2013, Beppe Grillo received 24% of the vote. Instead of settling for coalition, and relying on his control of the Senate, he has blocked formation of a coalition government and demanded another election in June. Why won’t he exceed 50% of the vote? 

Here’s how he did it. Beppe Grillo ran as a jokey-blokey comedian in Italy. He used all manner of tricks including conspiracy theories (‘chemtrails” poisoning people for the profit of Jews and the Templars, Jewish fiscal control through the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, with central control via the Illuminati, ‘truther’ conspiracies that 9/11 was a Jewish plot and so-on). These he made more credible by linking them to things every Italian knows is true: massive corruption, the Mafia, corrupt  politicians, EU plots to use the Euro to kill Italian exports and so forth. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Where is Grillo’s money and some of his ideology from? Look to Tehran. They know and love a fellow anti-Semite and his father-in-law Parvin Tajik runs a major construction business in Iran with its HQ in Tehran. You simply cannot do that unless you have an intimate array of relationships with the Mullahs, who are themselves massively corrupt. It is not possible.

What this all means is just starting to dawn on the self-selected, unelected and unaccountable EU soft-left bureaucratic aristocracy. The pretence of those capering fools is that Grillo is merely a populist. They are making a colossal and lethal strategic blunder if they actually believe that.

 Italians are caught in a situation where they have no capability to vote for good. There is no democracy in Italy. Italians have no say in how their country is run, because fabulist unelected unaccountable left-wing bureaucrats in Brussels run it, not them. No matter what they do, they can now only vote for outcomes which make the situation worse.

  • Government at all levels in Italy is massively corrupt, you cannot survive any other way now.
  • The black economy (run mostly by the mafia) is the size of the official economy and you cannot survive without it.
  • Without control of their own currency, the Germans set its value and Italian manufacturing cannot compete, so exports have collapsed.

Here’s the power-elites ‘solution’ to Italy’s problems, problems created by those self-same bureaucrats in Brussels as they chase the chimera of their own fantasies.

  • they unilaterally appointed a caretaker president  who was seen as their puppet
  • this puppet imposed radical budget cuts Brussels mandated to the welfare state their own policies had created
  • pensions and social security was halved to 700Euro a month
  • health care budgets were halved, hospitals had 6 months pay for their staff
  • the income-sales tax mix were raised to average 50% of everyone’s income (except the power elite, of course)
  • small business taxes soared but unions prevented tax increases for large employers – then demanded double pay for less work (vale Italian manufacturing)
  • the power-elite gave themselves vast pay increases

 In Europe, fifty years of expanding centralised control have entirely disenfranchised the voter. The bureaucrats of the EU power-elite do not have to run for office. And once in office, they cannot be held accountable for their actions. If this sounds like the old USSR, there is a reason for that. Europe has no democracy. People vote for the European Parliament yet it has no legislative power whatsoever, it is a Potemkin Village with no power to pass binding laws and no power to hold the hereditary bureaucracy to account – it is a bright shiny gewgaw to amuse the mob.

The power-elite has gathered all power into the great Commissions. The French call these ‘Grand Corps of the State’ (or Enarques) and they run the state. Germany and the smaller powers have similar systems and it is this Commission structure which has become the self-sustaining mechanism for a new, unelected hereditary power-elite, the Apparat, which controls everything. Obviously, the Apparat has co-opted the major capitalist structures by offering them a place in the power-elite as crony-Allies. If this sounds familiar (and it should to anyone who has read Gotz Aly), it’s because Hitler used exactly the same system and structure.

Meanwhile, the day after Grillo’s ‘Five-Star party’ (with it’s entirely national socialist agenda – and that does not mean ‘Nazi’, it means nationalist and socialist) the Italian Apparat politicians flew to Berlin for meetings with the Commissions and Merkel with the intent of using the old ‘common front’ trick – but he had a new game in mind. It’s called complete power, and the mechanism is another election in June.

The currency market panicked immediately and the capital flight started.

 What happened last week is that someone seized his chance (just as Benito Mussolini did) after Italy hit the brick wall: they ran out of other people’s money and met the reality that wall means. This spells opportunity for fascists.

The people vote fascist because they have nowhere else to go. This is why Five Star is ascendant in Italy, the Pirate Party is rising in Germany, Golden Dawn is expanding in Greece, and the same is happening elsewhere.

 So see Europe now, before the trainwreck gets much worse.

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359 Responses to Guest Post – Mk50: European Fascism Redux

  1. C.L.

    Mark – don’t worry about it.

    It’s not worth worrying about.

    Everyone – including me – is a dazzling polymath on the internet. Effortlessly essaying Mussolini and recollecting a true date, a verbatim quote and the exquisite arcana of a dozen subjects. All of it is – if not plagiarism – then certainly the phlegmatic mediocrity of the open book exam, with Google the index page.

    Chuck a pebble or two if you must but don’t go bananas with the stones, people.

  2. Gab

    The hyenas will start a Facebook page shortly.

  3. Jarrah, above: “Your argument is their argument minus the US comparisons.”

    Yes. Unfortunately, as someone else mentioned to me, when he took Lewis’ bullet-point US hypotheticals and went to reapply them to Italy, he forgot to change the word “President” to “Prime Minister”.

    Lewis:

    Therefore the UN unilaterally appoints a caretaker president

    Mk50:

    they unilaterally appointed a caretaker president

    I cannot fathom how one would accidentally call the Italian Prime Minister “President” unless one were cribbing from an article which was making US comparisons.

    STOP. DIGGING. If you’d early on admitted to just basically doing a re-write of someone else’s published article, apologized for failing to cite the original article, and given an undertaking to be more careful in future, we’d have been talking about the OP for the past day and a half rather than whether you’re a cheating cheater who cheats, a lying liar who lies, or just a misunderstood guy who’s copping an unfair piling-on.

  4. * And I say this as someone who has enjoyed your commentary both here and at Blair’s for years, and who hopes that you continue posting. Just a little more carefully when it comes to attributions, is all.

  5. Sinclair Davidson

    I have an early meeting this morning – I will be repairing this thread upon my return.

  6. John H.

    Remarkable, on my blog a few days ago I just cited Psychcentral for some nasty plagiarism. They even went as far to claim “scientifically reviewed” and reserved all rights.

    Must be the week for it. No big deal. What did TS Eliot write: Immature poets imitate mature poets plagiarise. Psychcentral though, a professional site like that should be much more careful.

  7. That, John H., was a good review of a review—
    and the comments below were well worth reading, too.

  8. Rabz

    Chuck a pebble or two if you must but don’t go bananas with the stones, people.

    Quite so. There are two ‘people’ in particular who are are getting stuck in here who are in absolutely no position to be criticising others.

    Their gall is simply staggering, the stupid smug pricks.

  9. JamesK

    I have an early meeting this morning – I will be repairing this thread upon my return.

    Just remove Fisky’s, Oco’s and liar-steve®’s comments and nothing will be lost in raising the issue of plagiarism and everything unintelligent and gratuitous will have been banished.

    A minimum twofer.

  10. Token

    * And I say this as someone who has enjoyed your commentary both here and at Blair’s for years, and who hopes that you continue posting. Just a little more carefully when it comes to attributions, is all.

    With the belting he has received, we can bet Mk50 will be anal in providing sources in the future.

  11. The reality is, he should simply link to the articles he likes, quote the sections he likes, and then explain his own additions or variations.

    It’s not rocket science.

  12. I see that Mk50′s response to criticism of his Empire and Republic post now appears at his 11.50pm post.

    The theme song to hum while reading it is “Je ne regrette rien.”

  13. C.L.

    Steve, remember when I caught you out after you deliberately didn’t post a link to a story in the Indian press about tobacco advertising? Suspicious of your summary (as all of us always are), I Googled the article and found you’d doctored the whole drift of the report. Your summary was a complete reversal of the reported reality.

  14. .

    Wow C.L.,

    This is what it looks like when an intellectual pygmy thinks he has finally got one over his betters, but fails even gloating and shameless self promotion.

    Keep rubbing it in, C.L., he ought to learn his place is blogging about puce cardigans, buttplugs, semen and heirloom garlic – and no one giving a fuck, either.

  15. Sinclair Davidson

    Thread has been tidied. I might tidy it more later.

  16. CL – your example was a simple case of I didn’t scroll down and see the bottom part of the article.

    I said so at the time. It is unlikely you had to Google anything – I routinely provide links. Your claimed effect of the further part is also exaggerated, as is typical.

    You repeated lie about what I have said about Kevin Rudd and the likes of Peter Kennedy, when the truth is there on my blog. I have largely given up on correcting you with links to myself, because I (perhaps foolishly) assume that long term readers know not to take you seriously when you make claims about what your “blog enemies” have said in the past.

    And none of this is relevant to the matter at hand; but your diversionary tactics are also famous.

  17. Hey! A voice out of the aether has appeared at my blog, and here’s what he would like me to pass on:

    …could you please let everyone know how much I’ve enjoyed Iq49′s guest posts.

    And to think I used to call 49 a pompous blowhard who would blather on about ideas and concepts he didn’t understand!

    I’d really appreciate it if you could make sure 49 gets my message and knows how much satisfaction I’ve got from all this.

    Thanks in advance

    Tillman

  18. Oh come on

    Some of us have some civility about us and reconise that none of us are angels, in some area.

    Sure, and when we see such transgressions, is it not acceptable to point them out? Thing is, I don’t recall you doing so on this thread. You’ve only come in with the ‘he who cast the first stone’ advice. Do you think something wrong was done here?

    Look, anyone reasonable is more than happy to call off the dogs once the wrongdoer has repented. However, if the wrongdoer doubles down, then all bets are off. And frankly, that’s exactly what’s happened here. You may think MK50′s explanation of sorts (as found in Update II) was acceptable, and that he apologised (well, he apologised to Sinc), but that was actually the point where he doubled down.

    Before, he could have been criticised for plagiarising. Whole chunks of his article had apparently been lifted from an American Thinker article, lightly paraphrased and passed off here as his own work. However, in his ‘explanation’, he doubled down and outright lied to everyone here by claiming he was not familiar with the American Thinker article, despite the fact it was written a day earlier and parts of it are uncannily similar to parts in his.

    OK, so now I’m saying he lied. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for days on this, giving him plenty of chance to explain the similarities or concede that he had lifted whole chunks of the AT article, paraphrased them lightly then dumped them in the post above the line. But, despite posting several times since, he has failed to do so and still maintains the pretense that he was unfamiliar with the AT article, despite what would appear to be incontrovertible evidence to the contrary (and he of course has had plenty of opportunity to explain himself here or come clean).

    He is now lying. To you. To me. To Sinclair. To everyone following this.

    Do you like being lied to, Gab? Do you think that unrepentant lies should just be allowed to pass uncondemned, waved away with some ‘let he who cast the first stone…’ utterance? I don’t. Particularly from someone who I trusted and considered an academic authority.

  19. JC

    So Tillmans reading the cat. I thought he said he wasn’t.

    Just look at stepford all excited because Tillman left a message there.

    He doesn’t realise that Tillman thinks he’s such a weedy beta that he would post his comment here.

    You understand that stepford, right?

  20. Gab

    Thing is, I don’t recall you doing so on this thread.

    What? Not enough people condemning MK for your liking? You want more? You want people to keep vilifying MK over and over and over? You don’t think he has been sufficiently castigated? That’s a mob mentality. It’s ugly.

  21. Gab

    Just look at stepford all excited because Tillman left a message there.

    So SFB says.

  22. Oh come on

    Gab, the “mob” didn’t have to form. If MK50 had have been straight up with people, then that would have been the end of that. I’m putting mob in scare quotes, because it’s not even correct usage of the term for the crowd that’s gathered here who are unhappy with what MK50′s done. OK, there are a few vultures such as SoB, but it’s also lots of people here who like MK50 and respect academic output, and yeah, they want answers. Otherwise they’re going to draw their own conclusions.

    That’s your “mob”. You apparently don’t think anything wrong at all has taken place.

  23. Oh come on

    That should read;

    but it’s also lots of people here who like MK50 and have respected his academic output up until now

  24. Gab

    You apparently don’t think anything wrong at all has taken place.

    I think plenty of “wrong” has been done, not least of which is the mob mentality that has appeared here. Some commenters have made their opinion known once or twice and have left it at that. Others, like yourself, continue on ad infinitum. This is a blog site, have some perspective proportionate to the “wrong” perpetrated.

    I can tell you are greatly aggrieved and need to keep talking about it. Go ahead, talking is good therapy.

  25. You’re working yourself up into a full on “leave Brittney alone” state, Gab.

    The way the the criticism of Mk50 has been expressed has been relatively mild compared to the sweary, hyperbolic attacks routinely made at this blog against Labor politicians, journalists, feminists and blog participants like me or mOnty. (I get some variation of “shitfer” virtually every day; mOnty frequently had attacks on his appearance and imagined sex life.) And that’s often just for having a different opinion, not doing anything dishonest.

  26. C.L.

    CL – your example was a simple case of I didn’t scroll down and see the bottom part of the article.

    LOL.

    It is unlikely you had to Google anything – I routinely provide links.

    No, I Googled the story from one of your doctored partial quotes.

    No link was provided.

    As for “enemies,” Steve – I don’t take all of this that seriously. I have defended you from baroque insults and opposed you being banned. You’re the lunatic who retreats to his blog every few months and attacks all the people on your enemies list.

    You’re a complete idiot.

  27. Oh come on

    Keep them wagons a’circlin’, Gab.

    You know, I remember when we all cried foul at Zombietime’s expose of the Palywood claim that the IDF were targeting ambulances – their proof being the very much unbombed but apparently deliberately trashed ambulance. Remember the Nutroots defence of the indefensible? How come the ambulance isn’t blown to smithereens and there’s no evidence of fire? They used a non-explosive, ‘kinetic’ bomb. Where’s the blood from the guy who’s leg was blown off? Oh the missile took his leg clean off and instantly cauterised the wound, so no blood. Riiiiight.

    Remember how we laughed at this pitiful but persistent and neverending defence of such an obvious lie?

    OK, what’s happened here is not nearly on the same scale of severity of that lie, what we have here IS a lie and, I hate to say it, you’re acting in the same way as the Nutroots did back in 2006.

  28. Gab

    OK, what’s happened here is not nearly on the same scale of severity of that lie, what we have here IS a lie

    Yes, tell me, how does that make you feel?

    I hate to say it, you’re acting in the same way as the Nutroots did back in 2006.

    You don’t hate to say it at all. You’ve found a new target and are relishing the opportunity to attack me. Perhaps you’ve grown tired of attacking MK? Or is it you’re just having a bit of a break before you continue?

  29. Oh come on

    Not really, Gab. I just fail to see why you can’t call a spade a bleedin shovel, and instead complain when others do.

  30. Fisky

    Actually, there hasn’t been much criticism of Mk50 per se, but rather of his articles, which aren’t really ‘his’ at all.

  31. Gab

    The first…greeted Caesar, then plunged a knife into his neck. Other stabbers followed suit. One by one, several members of the Senate took turns stabbing Julius Caesar

    I’m pretty sure Caesar is dead. No need to keep stabbing him.

  32. Oh come on

    But you’re the person in the senate floor saying No, no no one’s stabbed Caesar, he’s right as rain! Why, there he is now, up and about, merry as you please!

  33. Oh come on

    on, not in the senate floor. That would take some impressive Roman architecture.

  34. Sinclair Davidson

    what’s happened here is not nearly on the same scale of severity of that lie

    Indeed.

    But you’re the person in the senate floor saying No, no no one’s stabbed Caesar, he’s right as rain! Why, there he is now, up and about, merry as you please!

    Whatever it is that you were consuming before posting that comment – get a new supplier.

  35. Oh come on

    But a lie has nevertheless been told, has it not? You don’t care about that? You don’t see the similarity between the Zombietime denials and what’s going on here? First it was ‘move along, nothing to see here’ and now it’s ‘you are all overreacting, let’s move on’.

    No. One key issue has not been addressed, Sinclair. A lie was told to all of us and that lie still stands. I am not sure why some people, including the site manager, appear to have no problem with this.

    I’m also not sure why Sinclair is in damage-control mode – it doesn’t seem to be your problem (beyond hosting the plagiarised work, that is). Deleting links to the evidence of plagiarism is not going to make it go away.

  36. JamesK

    Actually, there hasn’t been much criticism of Mk50 per se, but rather of his articles, which aren’t really ‘his’ at all.

    Which of Mark’s guest post threads in a parallel universe are you commenting on?

  37. Gab

    `Well, it must be removed,’ said the King very decidedly, and he called the Queen, who was passing at the moment, `My dear! I wish you would have this cat removed!’

    The Queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. `Off with his head!’ she said, without even looking round.

  38. Sinclair Davidson

    Because this is a slap on the wrist offence and Mk50′s wrists got slapped, and his shins kicked, and he got a few slaps around the head too. He is very embarrassed. There is no point in turning this into a lynching.

    This is also a case of empty vessels making a lot of noise. Put up a guest post, have the peanut gallery take pot shots at you and your ideas. None of the people bitching here the loudest have ever done any of that.

  39. Oh come on

    Why are you bothering putting that in blockquotes, Gab? Why not just pass it off as your own work? Seems you’re okay with that.

  40. .

    This is also a case of empty vessels making a lot of noise. Put up a guest post, have the peanut gallery take pot shots at you and your ideas. None of the people bitching here the loudest have ever done any of that.

    Yeah!

    Have a go at this dissembling fuckwit. He reckons superannuation is a union scam!

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/05/15/guest-post-is-superannuation-a-socialist-plot/

  41. Oh come on

    Not here, I haven’t. But I have at other places in other iterations. And I have never ripped off someone’s work, then issued a limited apology for not referencing correctly from references other than that from which I had plagiarised, and continued along with the pretense that I was not aware of the principal material I had plagiarised from.

    And if I had have done that, the owner of the site in question I have no doubt would have at the very least pulled my article, and probably had me out my ear as a regular poster if I didn’t issue a full and honest mea culpa. Which has not been done here. You say MK50′s embarrassed. But he hasn’t come clean, and his failure to do so is making sure this issue doesn’t go away.

  42. Fisky

    Put up a guest post, have the peanut gallery take pot shots at you and your ideas. None of the people bitching here the loudest have ever done any of that.

    Thank you Professor Davidson. I very much appreciate the invitation and will take you up on it! But are you quite sure you know what you’re in for?

  43. Oh come on

    Um, you’ve made that point several times already, Gab.

  44. JC

    Lying .

    Noticeably when the lying slapper broke her pledge over the carbon tax

    Stepford was making excuses for her, while another pathetic I
    Zombie was arguing that it wasn’t a lie

    Don’t throw stones you pond scum

  45. Gab

    Goodness! You mean I’m making the same point over and over, OCO? Heavens!

  46. Oh come on

    Yes, the difference being that I addressed your point directly, but you failed to address mine and instead just repeated your already addressed point in response.

  47. John H.

    [Defamatory comment deleted. Sinc]

  48. Sinclair Davidson

    Fisky – you have promised me guest posts before and not delivered.

    . – I’m not aware that you’ve been part of the lynch mob.

    Oh come on – I really don’t care what you’ve done elsewhere. Do something here.

    Now I’m not taking the post down – I’m not a fan of that. As some of you have so kindly pointed this is my problem and my issue. I’m going to live with it, you should too. Especially given that none of you have any skin in the game.

  49. Oh come on

    I didn’t ask you to take the post down – I just said what I know would’ve happened at another widely respected blog had I have done the following:

    ripped off someone’s work, then issued a limited apology for not referencing correctly from references other than that from which I had plagiarised, and continued along with the pretense that I was not aware of the principal material I had plagiarised from.

    The above is the primary offence here. It has not been admitted by MK50, regardless of how embarrassed he is. You have little or no problem with this? If so, I find that surprising.

  50. Gab

    OCO, all you want me to do is join in with the head-kicking of Mk because apparently, according to you, not enough people have already done so. And by not joining you and your mob in adding yet another voice of condemnation, you start in on me.

    When will it be enough for you?

  51. Fisky

    Fisky – you have promised me guest posts before and not delivered.

    That’s true. Luckily, there was nothing hinging on them.

  52. JC

    Here’s my guest post sinc

    The lying slapper and the rest of the liars party are low rent douchebags.
    The Greens are vermin.
    Discuss.

    I swear that hasn’t been lifted from anywhere.

  53. Sinclair Davidson

    Oh come on – let’s approach the problem from a different angle. What do you propose I do?

  54. Oh come on

    When you move beyond unqualified defence and admit some wrongdoing? Not really that much.

  55. Sinclair Davidson

    Fisky – to be fair, you did have a good excuse. :)

  56. have the peanut gallery take pot shots at you and your ideas.

    The comments following Mk50′s posts have been running at something like 90% approval of the content.

    There’s been damn few criticisms of his “ideas”.

    That’s hardly the point. (In fact, due to tribal loyalty, he’s been encouraged by everyone except yours truly to not give up on posting here.)

    Surely, the ethical thing to do – given the clear and extensive evidence of plagiarism that has been shown regarding 3 posts (much of which has now been “disappeared”) – would be to remove the posts entirely until the author can do “resubmit” versions of them which do not plagiarise the articles which inspired them.

    This would not be impossible or difficult; as I said at 10.34, it’s a simple matter to link to articles and quote parts you want to emphasise, dispute, or add to.

    What’s wrong with that proposal?

    And further – if there is to be no remedial rules regarding plagiarism (sure, the source of this present article is now noted, but not for the previous posts) – on what grounds does any author at Catallaxy have to complain if their work is given a weak disguise and posted at another blog as someone else’s idea and analysis?

  57. Oh come on

    Oh come on – let’s approach the problem from a different angle. What do you propose I do?

    Perhaps ask MK50 if he wants to reconsider his claim that he had never seen the AT article prior to posting this guest blog, as it’s a bit much to ask a reasonable person to believe that the similarities between the two occurred due to coincidence?

    If you have already done this and he has not delivered and you still take the stance you are taking now, well, I don’t know what else you would do. Obviously you’re ok with being lied to. Fine.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    How do we know the Fisk Doctrine is his own work?

  59. JC

    Sinc

    Ban stepford . It’s the right thing to do under the circumstances .

  60. Sinclair Davidson

    what grounds does any author at Catallaxy have to complain if their work is given a weak disguise and posted at another blog as someone else’s idea and analysis?

    Who was it who said …

    I suspect a publication like American Thinker might not really care too much about attribution, as long as its political ideas get promulgated.

  61. Gab

    When you move beyond unqualified defence and admit some wrongdoing?

    Silly man. I’m not defending Mk, I’m pointing out that you and others just don’t know when enough headkicking is enough.

  62. Sinclair Davidson

    If you have already done this and he has not delivered and you still take the stance you are taking now, well, I don’t know what else you would do.

    Unless you have been reading my email you are in no position to speculate on the communication between Mk50 and myself. It really is none of your business, so I don’t understand why you’re carrying on, and on, and on, and on, about it.

  63. Sinclair Davidson

    Ban stepford

    I did. The girls felt sorry for him, so I let him back.

  64. .

    . – I’m not aware that you’ve been part of the lynch mob.

    I couldn’t help the shameless self promotion. Worth a crack I’d say.

  65. Oh come on

    And, hate to say it but SoB has a point. The blind tribal loyalty that’s been on display in this thread is better left to…well…the left. We should police our own and call it when we see it, regardless of whether the transgressor’s one of ours. It’s about credibility.

    SoB screams tribal loyalty a lot – and he may see it when someone like myself supports JC giving a deserving individual a verbal headkicking, but no – I support JC because I agree with him and have no problem with the way he plays the game. I don’t think I’m engaging in tribalism in that instance.

    However, in a clear case of wrongdoing such as this, I think SoB’s right; many people here appear to be checking their morality at the door because MK50′s one of ours.

  66. Oh come on

    Unless you have been reading my email you are in no position to speculate on the communication between Mk50 and myself. It really is none of your business, so I don’t understand why you’re carrying on, and on, and on, and on, about it.

    This is tangential to the point I was making, but ok, fine. You asked me what I thought you should do about it, I told you.

  67. Gab

    Absence of malice is no indication of “people…checking their morality at the door because MK50′s one of ours.”

    Morality? It’s ethics, no?

  68. Sinclair Davidson

    We should police our own and call it when we see it, regardless of whether the transgressor’s one of ours. It’s about credibility.

    Let me draw your attention to sdog who first identified the original source.

  69. WhaleHunt Fun

    “Here’s my guest post sinc
    The lying slapper and the rest of the liars party are low rent douchebags.
    The Greens are vermin.
    Discuss.
    I swear that hasn’t been lifted from anywhere.”

    Say has anyone here NOT had these thoughts running through their head? Has anyone met anyone who has not voiced similar concerns. Are these words from JC in fact the current zeitgeist of Australia generally?

  70. Oh come on

    I’m pointing out that you and others just don’t know when enough headkicking is enough.

    It’s not headkicking, Gab. It’s an expectation of reasonable standards of behaviour. When MK50 comes clean about the relationship between the article he wrote and that found in the American Thinker, then I imagine most people who were not satisfied with his explanation above would drop the issue.

  71. Gab

    then I imagine most people who were not satisfied with his explanation above would drop the issue.

    LOL. Seriously don’t believe that for one minute.

  72. .

    Bloody hell. Read my old superannuation guest post. It is the worst example of referencing something and then flogging the crap out of it.

    However, it is a very important topic. We won’t be free of the unions and ALP until we change the way super is accumulated or we abolish it altogether.

  73. Oh come on

    Thanks, Sinc, but the following still remains – it currently appears beyond reasonable doubt that MK50 ripped off someone’s work, then issued a limited apology for not referencing correctly from references other than that from which he had plagiarised, and then continued along with the pretense that he was not aware of the principal material from which he had plagiarised.

    I asked you before if you had a problem with this. In response, you asked me what I wanted you to do about it. That didn’t get us very far. I still don’t know whether you have a problem with the above, or if you even accept it to be true.

    If you do accept it and do have a problem with it, all I can ask is why DON’T you think MK50 has further explaining to do?

    If you don’t accept it and think it’s wrong, I’d like to hear why, because I would love this issue to be resolved in a way that does not tarnish MK50′s reputation.

    However, Gab’s position – “don’t you think he’s suffered enough??” and yours – “why do you keep talking about it?” – are perplexing when there is this outstanding issue of unrepentant dishonesty to you, Gab and us all.

  74. JC

    And, hate to say it but SoB has a point.

    No he doesn’t. He has absolutely no point to make at all.

    Never had.

    Ask the layabout if he supports the slapper after all her lying.
    This is a discussion among righties.

  75. JC

    Say has anyone here NOT had these thoughts running through their head? Has anyone met anyone who has not voiced similar concerns. Are these words from JC in fact the current zeitgeist of Australia generally?

    Fair point whale.

    I’m guessing that it would be unwitting plagiarism then.

  76. Oh come on

    LOL. Seriously don’t believe that for one minute.

    Gab – I have no ill-will towards MK50, and (as I mentioned above) have in fact have enjoyed his contributions here and around the Australian blogosphere for many years. You may think I’m wrong in what I’m saying here, you may not think it’s such a big deal, and so on. However, this is not in the least bit personal from my end; it’s a point of principle and an important one at that. Obviously we don’t agree here, but I have to say you seem to think my motives here are not entirely honourable. I don’t know what I’ve done to you in the past that would make you attribute malice to my stance here, so that’s a pity.

  77. JamesK
    Ban stepford

    I did. The girls felt sorry for him, so I let him back

    Name and shame them.

    Now!

  78. Sinclair Davidson

    This matter has been resolved to my satisfaction. Like Gab I am of the opinion that you want a public lynching. That is fine, that is your choice, but it is not mine and you won’t be doing it with my pixels.

  79. Oh come on

    And if MK50 or anyone else could offer a reasonable explanation that did not involve foul play as to how the AT article and this post came to be so similar, I’d be thrilled.

    I know there are people here who are salivating at this spectacle. I am not one of them.

  80. brc

    Personally, the whole article and comments should be binned, and replaced with a simple link and excerpt of the AT thread, perhaps with comments locked or ruthless moderation to stop the bickering.

    Mk50 would be welcome to resubmit this or any other topic.

    The back and forth would be stopped and binned.

    The world would continue to spin.

    It’s just a blog, people. No need for the dueling pistols or swords.

  81. Oh come on

    OK fine, you’re the boss, I’m done here.

  82. Sinclair Davidson

    I know there are people here who are salivating at this spectacle. I am not one of them.

    Well, you are the second largest single contributor to the spectacle.

  83. Oh come on

    OK, so now I am being accused. Well, I am certainly guilty of having perhaps a little too much time on my hands recently, and combined with the fact that I have been more than a little surprised at some of the positions people have taken here…I think that should adequately explain the volume of my contributions here.

    I have been contributing on comments threads fairly inconsistently on The Cat for around a year now, mostly for a bit of light relief. I don’t think I’ve behaved in a way at any point that would justify you not giving me the benefit of the doubt when I say my reasons for taking the stance I’m taking are entirely based on principle.

  84. candy

    well, plagiarism is a form of cheating. I don’t know if that is what MK50 did, though, but I guess that’s for Professor Davidson to sort through.

  85. Sinclair Davidson

    I have been contributing on comments threads fairly inconsistently on The Cat for around a year now

    Indeed – over 2,427 comments since January 2011.

    I don’t think I’ve behaved in a way at any point that would justify you not giving me the benefit of the doubt when I say my reasons for taking the stance I’m taking are entirely based on principle.

    Yet – when I say I am satisfied you choose to ignore me and carry on regardless?

  86. Jarrah

    Oh come on, I realise this is a matter of principle for you, but is it really such a surprise that some people think it’s not that big a deal? Or that practically everyone tends (at times subconsciously) to discount wrongdoing by one of “their own”?

  87. Jarrah

    “Indeed – over 2,427 comments since January 2011.”

    Cool stat. Can I get mine?

  88. johanna

    Since the actual topic is long gone, I just want to put it on record that I was not one of the “girls” who felt sorry for sfb and agitated for his return. Discussions are much more constructive in his absence, IMO.

    It’s also a pity that a potentially interesting discussion on Europe has dissolved into recriminations, and in some cases, spite.

    I think we can take it that this particular event is unlikely to occur again. Getting a roasting in comments is no big deal, but the thought of a Talking To from the Doomlord makes me shiver in me boots!

  89. Sinclair Davidson

    4,673 since October 2010. That’s as far back as we can go due to server crashes, moves, etc.

  90. If only we had an expanded media complaints body to help sort this out…

  91. Oh come on

    Yet – when I say I am satisfied you choose to ignore me and carry on regardless?

    Well at that point I was writing in defence of myself, not adding anything more to the matter. If you hadn’t have written “Well, you are the second largest single contributor to the spectacle.”, suggesting that my motives were somewhat less than pure, I would have left it as of 5 Mar 13 at 4:55 pm.

  92. For me all this means is don’t listen to Mk50 too much if all he can do is copy or even given the benefit of the doubt copy indirectly from some conspiracy site.

  93. Jarrah

    “4,673 since October 2010.”

    Yikes! And thanks.

  94. Oh come on

    Jarrah, I would like to answer you but I don’t wish to continue the matter, as instructed by Sinc. So unfortunately it will have to end there.

  95. Jarrah

    Yes, time this thread met its natural end.

  96. I’m waiting for dd to rejoin with his view of today’s events.

  97. JamesK

    Jarrah, I would like to answer you but I don’t wish to continue the matter, as instructed by Sinc. So unfortunately it will have to end there.

    I’m not a Christian.

    But thank Christ!

  98. dd

    [Comment deleted at dd's request. Sinc]

  99. Fisky

    I promised to stop attacking Mk50 after 24 hours, and I note those 24 hours are now up. Time to move on.

  100. SteveC

    hahahahahaha !!!
    Good luck with the PhD Mk50. Hopefully they don’t have that software Sinc referred to earlier.

  101. .

    I don’t think you get a Ph D in blogging. Just sayin’

  102. Jc

    StevesC lunges out of the sewage pipe to say something.

  103. Jarrah

    If he’s really getting a PhD. ;-)

  104. .

    Are you really doing an undergraduate degree Jarrah? Sometimes I don’t believe that either.

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