Peter Harvey was a nice newsreader and it is good to see him having a send off. I never met Harvey but I did enjoy his news presentations which had a gravity lacking in many of today’s journos. Claire Harvey has a moving tribute here.
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Was this today’s (Saturday)event? If so it’s quite different from Friday’s service for family and friends. This event was a true celebration of his life, a light touch. I feel the daughter’s outfit was very appropriate. Apparently they showed many light, happy moments from his life on the big screen.
Peter Harvey I’m sure would have expressed a wish
that people should not mope around at his funeral.
It’s a still – a frozen instant – not a summary of the day’s proceedings. She may have seen a much-needed face in the crowd and thought “Thank God”.
Also, no-one is in a position to know what that family is feeling. Harvey had been dying in slo-mo. They’ve been to the funeral every day since he went into palliative care. Today is something else for them.
You should have seen how hot Dick Pratt’s daughter looked at his Princes Park memorial service.
Perhaps because it is a celebration of his life?
I have eulogised my Father and my Grandmother and both these funerals were celebrations of their lives, sad they’re gone, but so happy to have had them in our lives.
This “celebration of a life” fad is rubbish. We have banished mourning from public life because it’s too uncomfortable for the squeamish to see. We must pretend that we don’t mourn. Mourning is now taboo.
When someone dies, it’s sad, sometimes unbearably so. You grieve. Pretending that it’s just another excuse for champagne and canapes is merely indulging in denial; and funerals are supposed to be the one time when we are not in denial about our mortality.
I don’t want people to be happy at my funeral (which I hope is a long way off). They can bloody well mope for a day or so. It’s not too much to ask.
Sorry if the above comment offends anyone. However in my defense, it’s what I really think.
It is usual for a Memorial Service to be a little less sombre, Samuel. Funerals too can be requested to be not all black. What is poor form is to make them a fashion parade or a display of bare flesh.
Personally, I would not criticise a grieving daughter as grief has many faces especially for close family members.
lol. Hear, hear!
After the service, dd, there was a celebration of life.
I’d certainly be nothing without Grandmother and Father.
grumpy old bastard
Lizzie – you’re right of course, although I prefer memorial services to be sombre.
I still miss my Father and Grandmother, but I’m not miserable about it.
Dad was ready to die, he’d been ill for a while.
Nanna was 93, it wasn’t a surprise that she went.
I don’t want people to be miserable at my funeral. I hope that they can be happy that they had me in their lives.
Well said, dd.
PS the funerals were more than a few days after the deaths. Plenty of time to cry and be miserable.
I still cry now sometimes talking about Dad.
I suppose that doesn’t align with your idea of what’s normal/acceptable.
Exactly, DD. Do you realise that radio and TV newsreaders no longer report that people die? Instead they “pass away” so as not to upset people who can’t handle the fact that humans are 100% prone to death.
DD says
“I don’t want people to be happy at my funeral (which I hope is a long way off). They can bloody well mope for a day or so. It’s not too much to ask.”
Personally I am so different. I dont even want a funeral. They are such terrible things…because everyone has to pretend to mope.
Bugger that. There is no reason to be miserable ever.
Who needs it? I would rather my friends all got drunk on Bombay Sapphire and told every naughty story about me they ever remembered and…laughed!!!!
Party. Just party or dont come.
The mere thought of a sombre funeral gives me the heebie jeebies. I can barely get myself to go to funerals.
One thing I really dont like at funerals is OLD photos. I think at a funeral they should have photos of the person, the best photos ever, from their life. Young photos at funerals – not old ones.
I love seeing people I only ever knew old, when they were young.
My hubby went to a funeral this week and it was his loyal helper in his business for many many years. They had a young photo and described him as a cocky cheeky young man! Well in the photo he looked like a cocky cheeky young man with a wicked grin!
It was lovely to see him like that after knowing him later in his life and now his photo as cocky young man takes pride of place in my husbands office. Its a nice way to remember old Pete.
Correct dd.
And, without in any way denigrating Harvey, I find the behaviour of the media just a tad self-indulgent.
Fair enough. And look there have been some very moving ceremonies I’ve been to that have been nominally ‘celebrations’ where people are obviously traumatised, yet they choose to go down that path. I don’t want to tread on toes on this topic, so forget I said anything.
It’s a personal thing. “Celebration of life” rubs me the wrong way, that’s all. I like my grief straight, with no garnish or ice. Others may differ.
Anyway I dont think arriving at a funeral in white is so bad.
I went to my grandmothers funeral in all white with big colourful flowers on my dress. I had got dressed up in black but then I thought “would my Nan like this?” and the answer was no firmly in my own mind.
I dressed in rememberance of her lovely bubbly funny personality and I know she would have approved.
I did not realised he started so young, and he was a top journo in London by his mid-20s. he returned to oz age 30 in 1974 or 1975.
those were the days, journos started at 18 and learned their trade on the job. journalism cadetship , no academics to pollute the process,
Yeah Jim I agree
People started on the job – but now they are being distracted by the “qualifications game” and its partly the fault of people being unwilling to give the young ones a go.
Exactly right.
It’s a load of childish rubbish.
Cardinal Pell (or maybe it was Archbishop Hart) pointed this out a few years ago in response to some of the more infantile funereal trends: caskets cluttered with bric-a-brac, often vulgar eulogies (in Christian services, any eulogy is unnecessary and often inappropriate), profane music (Barnesy for an outro; Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For as a communion antiphon); unchurched, lapsed or unbelieving people approaching the sacrament (which is a mortal sin), etc.
He also pointed out that the purpose of a Christian funeral is to pray for the soul of the deceased. It is not a “celebration of the life.”
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While I’m sure Harvey was a fine man, I can’t help thinking that the attendance of the prime minister, the Opposition Leader and the Governor-General was over the top. And here is the curious flip-side to the abovementioned fad: an exaggerated mawkishness regarding the death of the famous.
Saturday’s event wasn’t the funeral. That was held in a Church on Friday. This celebration was at the Sydney Town Hall, a function entirely different.
I’m glad I’m not a Catholic. A cranky old man I
may beam, but not as much as C.L. is.DD, I respectfully disagree with that. I think it’s good to remember the person for all the good things they were and great times you had. It’s fair enough to mourn, that’s perfectly natural, but it’s also OK to have a laugh at their wake and remember the good stuff too. I know when we farewelled my grandmother last year it was sad, but we also reflected on the amazing life she had. Same with a good friend we sent off yesterday.
Peter Harvey was a man held in high regard as a journalist around the country and I think what his daughter did was fine.
But to each their own, it’s a very personal thing.
It’s not that I’m cranky, WIIS.
It’s that you’re childish.
As I said, the attendence of prime minister, Opposition Leader and Governor-General was preposterous.
VC winners of the first and second world wars were lucky to get a local MP.
He was a reporter, ffs.
tbh I wasn’t criticizing his daughter. The event that was photographed wasn’t the funeral, after all.
Right.
But we’re (sort of) talking about funerals.
Here is an article on the guidelines Archbishop Hart had perforce to issue because of the growing silliness to be seen at funerals.
http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2010/nov2010p8_3400.html
It’s all good mate, like I said everyone deals with it in their own way. There are no rights or wrongs IMHO.
Me personally, I want to be sent off New Orleans style.
New Orleans funerals are actually highly traditional and rigorous.
Music, oratory, preaching, dress – all are of the highest standards.
All march tunes are avowedly Christian – most, sombre.
If you opened up with U2 or The Seekers, you’d be shot.
The jazz-men themselves consider the conflation of the street music with the theology of the funeral to be offensive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_funeral
Pete was just another one of the journo Statist leftoid dinner party gang.
If he wasn’t, there would have been dark equivocating mutterings from their ABC / Fairfax re his unfortunate ‘incorrectnesses’ .
Nah….Pete’s in Comrade heaven.
Well they start off that way and get more raucous as the procession continues. Given that I’m a lover of jazz and the culture of New Orleans (well apart from the crime and corruption bit) I couldn’t think of anything better!
On the ‘celebration of life’ thingy, if you’ve been to their birthday/s, wedding, weekend BBQs, and so on, you have been celebrating their life. Now, I would have thought it appropriate to for the first time mourn their death.
In some cultures white is the colour of mourning.
Not this one, Viva.
Favourite memory of PH was when he was covering PM Paul Keating’s laying of a wreath at the Kalibata Heroes’ Cemetery in Jakarta 1992(?). Keating plus escort general and then-Ambassador Flood turned to walk back along the elevated causeway and the assembled mob of lurkers, stooges and Pubes behind them realised they had to make way for the Great Ones. PH led the scramble off the causeway into the bog below and was last seen, red as a beet and in a polyester suit sodden with sweat, scrambling into the lurkers’ bus, marshaling the troops. A very human side etc…
I wore cream to my Father in laws funeral many years ago and was criticised but Pop was not a person who would appreciate a church or garden full of people attired in black. Perhaps Claire understood her Father better than most.
I loathe black for funerals. Good on her.
My Father wasn’t religious.
His funeral was held at one of the chapels at Rookwood.
We played his favourite music and we talked in our eulogies of his favourite things, his passions, and silly things he did which were quirky (photographing storms).
We laughed and we cried at the service.
We celebrated his life, and mourned his loss.
dd, to each his own.
mourned our loss
When my Dad died, I did his eulogy and they were words of his life, not his dying, which was hard. Dad had spent so long dying that all the grief seemed to be wrung out of me, like there was this void of nothing that emotions couldn’t fill. It was as though my emotions had fled to some other place for safety, perhaps mine, who knows, but this allowed me at least to be very ordinary on the day of his funeral. I imagine that is what Peter Harvey’s daughter was doing and feeling too. PH would have wanted her to look pretty, not some hag in black with wild hair and dripping eyes wanting to cast herself into the grave (metaphorical, I know it was a memorial).
That said, I miss my Dad still, in fact writing this makes me tear up, and I am sure Peter Harvey’s daughter will grieve for her Dad for many years, too.
I like your style with your gran, Alice. Good one.