Who cares wins – really?

I really must stop having my morning cup of coffee – Nespresso machine, highly recommended – in front of the tele.

This morning I came across a most appalling interview on Channel 7 by that left-wing, know-nothing tosser, Andrew O’Keefe, and a vacuous blonde called Samantha Armytage (yes, I had to look it up) of the Global CEO (note pompous title) of marketing compay, Havas.  His name is David Jones which is a bit confusing for us Aussies.

David Jones, the global CEO of Havas and Sir Bob Geldof will tonight address a 300-strong crowd on a number of topical subjects including the ‘Age of Damage’ at Guillaume at Bennelong, Sydney Opera House.

Jones, also an author who wrote best selling book ‘Who Cares Wins’, will deliver a talk on and d

how social media and digitally empowered consumers are forcing businesses, politicians and leaders to be more socially responsible. He will discuss how businesses are in danger of being left behind unless leaders and politicians adapt to this new world of radical transparency, where the price of doing well is doing good.

One had to laugh at Jones’ examples – Alan Jones and the Qantas dispute and the power of social media to … well, I’m not sure.  In both cases, their positions in the market are stronger than ever.   The advertising boycott of Jones lasted a nanosecond.

Interestingly, that epitome of all things progressive and desirable, Kyle Sandilands, didn’t rate a mention for bad behaviour inducing outrage on the Twittersphere.  But now he is Jool’s BFF, I guess we are supposed to love Sandilands.  What’s really wrong with calling someone a fat slag when that fat slag had said rude things about him?

On this ‘who cares’ theme, one of my daughter’s friends, who is an architect, wrote a very interesting thesis about greenwashing.  Evidently, in the case of many of  these 5 star rated green buildings, it’s just a con – they are no different from other buildings – but the whole green image is done to market the building.  I guess David Jones – speaker type – would know all about this.

Jones – obviously hasn’t read Smith.

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81 Responses to Who cares wins – really?

  1. GeorgeL

    Yes, David Jones is a total fraud and wanker. I stumbled into my family room this morning to discover my house guests avidly watching the interview. Only took 25 seconds to sort them out but it cast a bit of a pall over our breakfast conversation.

  2. Jessie

    Judith,

    Refer Bob to the The Great Pretender, well written up by Trent Dalton in the WE Australian magazine. Specifically the social responsibility of grants giving.
    Interesting, given that Queensland markets itself in the culture circles as Asia-Pacific, that there was so little of this art purchased by the ‘The Prince’.

    Perhaps fortunate the items were deemed private property and could be auctioned!

    While not quite green-washing, it bears a striking similarity to brown-nosing.

  3. Regardless of how many mealy-mouthed advocates for the cause du jour get to skim off their cut along the way, who cares about profit most wins, and it will ever be thus.

  4. Jim Rose

    Greenwashing. I like it. Dodgy organic food is another example.

  5. Sirocco

    Judith – any chance of posting the greenwashing thesis?

  6. Samantha Armytage was on Dancing With The Stars a couple of years back. I felt sorry for her because she looked very uncomfortable from the get-go, and couldn’t seem to relax and have any fun.

    Mind you, actually choosing to go on a show like that in the first place seems to indicate a certain lack of judgment.

  7. JC

    Mind you, actually choosing to go on a show like that in the first place seems to indicate a certain lack of judgment.

    Was she looking good though?

  8. Myrddin Seren

    Another question, apart from the fact that Jones is making a fortune for himself pushing greenwash, is the propensity of all three supposedly-commercial TV networks to relentlessly push this sort of stuff through their news, current affairs and ‘lifestyle’ shows.

    Look at their promos ( god forbid you would watch the actual shows themselves ) which inevitably posit evil business swooping down on poor hapless consumers ( subtext – market economics ‘bad’ – where are the benevolent government controls ‘desperately’ needed ? )

    I presume there is a market in viewer land for telling people all day long how besieged by the evil capitalists they are, before cutting to the ads ?

    A classic was a slot on Nine’s Today show last week where highly remunerated host Karl Stefanovic railed at the outrage of servos pushing their fuel prices up before weekends.

    Business editor Ross Greenwood gently tried to restore sense, but it is obvious that the end game of their relentless drumbeat of market controls, that their own advertising prices and One-percenter salaries should be regulated too, given their flow through to consumer prices, is lost within the overall political thrust of the network production teams.

    For a network that nearly went broke, Nine employees sure like beating up the sector that pays their bills.

  9. sabrina

    Like or dislike for an interview is a matter of personal opinion everyone is entitled to express.
    Take a break, spare a thought for the two young lives lost in a wall collapse, Alexander and Bridget; my heart goes out to the parents. It is good to know so many good samaritans around, people who tried to save the victims.

  10. Jim Rose

    see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing

    greenwashing dates back to 1986! a long history of green fraud.

    The best example of greenwashing is organic food: 20% larger carbon footprint because more land is needed to produce the same amount of food and there is also the use of much nastier natural chemicals.

    there should be regulation. attempts to set standards in a court case years ago for ‘made in australia’ made it near impossible for anyone to use the label. nothing is 100% australian made. the standard was drop to more than 50% of the costs in australia?

    a good precedent for green labelling. 51% green is green or is it greenwashing?

  11. Jim, backtracking every component in an iphone for example illustrates that the idea that a product is “made” in a particular country is just popular fiction, like a fairy tale. I have had first hand and in depth experience of car manufacturers carefully planning the route by which every component in a car makes its way to the consumer through planning, design, materials sourcing, tooling, casting, rough machining, final machining sub-assembly, assembly etc – many of those processes taking place in a different country notwithstanding transport costs, so as to maximise labour efficiency and yet satisfy the multitude of local content laws. Claiming that something is made in [anywhere] is a joke that the ignorant public swallow as though gospel.

    A better case may be made that the true manufacturing location is the tax jurisdiction in which the stakeholder with the greatest risk riding on the sale of the end product resides. But then the labels would have to say “ventured in Australia”. Not quite the marketing punch amongst joe public because they love makers and hate venturers.

  12. Jim Rose

    OHH, good points. I think it was a federal court case that said australian made was 100% australian made.

    ‘designed in australia’ is another dodgy brothers label. can any designer say that they did not do anything other than ‘a dwarf standing on the shoulders of giants’. Newton plagerised this phrase.

  13. Gab

    Newton plagerised this phrase.

    The you and Newton have that in common.

  14. Jim Rose

    OHH, I should add that the old essay ‘I pencil’ illustrated how millions of people in many places are involved in making the most simple items.

  15. Gab

    The hide of you pointing out someone else plagiarizing when you do that yourself, Jim. Beyond the pale.

  16. Mundi

    When I see made in Australia or green claims, I pretty much know it is overpriced and in a protectionist market.

    You can explain to people how off-shoring increases our wealth, but they will look at you like and say they would rather have lower living standards and keep the jobs in the same market. Paying less for cars so we can have more money for holidays and move the jobs to tourism does not compute. Every trade and job must exist forever.

  17. stackja

    We should not expect much from:

    Andrew O’Keefe who is the son of former Supreme Court of New South Wales judge Barry O’Keefe, nephew of the late Australian rock and roll musician Johnny O’Keefe and known for a drunken stumble through the streets.

    I would criticise the management of Channel 7 for putting him in a position above his abilities which seemed apt as host of Deal or No Deal.

  18. Jim Rose

    Gab, my post is an example of stigler’s law of scientific epiphany. this states that ‘No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer’.

    stigler’s law is an example of his law because his law was discovered by Robert Merton in his principle of multiples.

    who gets credit for an idea is the scientist who made sure the idea stayed discovered. Newton is an example on the cumulative nature of science.

    adam smith discovered economics because it stayed discovered after he wrote the wealth of nations. smith and alfred marshall were not generous to earlier thinkers, but once they pulled together the ideas of many others and added their own insights, these ideas stayed discovered.

  19. Bruce

    What squawking parrots! I will give them some due though. I carefully look to see which businesses strive to be more socially responsible then I strive even harder to buy stuff from someone else.

    The problem for businesses is they have not yet worked out that greenwashing turns a lot of people off. They are losing sales if they indulge in this pseudo-religious crap.

  20. Jim Rose

    Econ-labelling is self-defeating and yields market share to less green products.

    In addition to certification costs, sacle economies are lost because of the need for a separate green production line. New technologies must be pioneered.

    The ‘Toyota Prius’ is still expensive as are all electric cars.

    Much greener to just buy an old fashioned gas guzzler that is smaller.

    See Mattoo, A. and H. V. Singh. 1994. Eco-Labeling: Policy Considerations. Kyklos

  21. Skuter

    known for a drunken stumble through the streets.

    And what a stumble it was. Saw the video on YouTube. He had an incomprehensible rant, tripped over, dragged his girlfriend to the ground and fell on her, then gave another incomprehensible monologue while puffing on a dooby. Apart from nearly crushing his female companion, it was a stumble of which I would have been proud and in all likelihood, enhanced and prolonged his career. All that was missing was the insides of a meat pie adorning his shirt…

  22. H B Bear

    Fortunately the Left doesn’t do irony.

    Which helps if you are aiming to prevent world poverty from Guillaume at Bennelong.

  23. Cue the ‘Forest Stewardship Council’

    Charging entrepreneurial small producers in small countries a fortune for ‘indulgences’ then pulling the rug out from under them when they look like becoming successful. ‘A short sharp shock and they won’t do it again’ comes to mind.

    And you can play good cop, bad cop and drive the bigger operations into joining the World Wildlife (green slush) Fund who look all soft and cuddly until you start turning a profit.

    The useful idiots who are tricked into working for these green sabotage teams need to be named and shamed so the rest of us can target them with reverse boycotts. Like that woman who used to flog cheap travel travel wear to vacuous fair trader bimbos.

    There should be a legal solution for small businesses subject to saboteurs campaigning against their product in foreign markets. One could ask which large one party state could benefit from having all its foreign competition killed off.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Andrew O’Keefe who is the son of former Supreme Court of New South Wales judge Barry O’Keefe, nephew of the late Australian rock and roll musician Johnny O’Keefe and known for a drunken stumble through the streets.

    He is a smarmy prick who constantly tries to prove his left-wing cred by running interviews on trendy left issues, particularly climate change, and loves making snide remarks about Abbott.
    He usually shows himself to be as dumb as a box of hammers when he adopts his wise nodding intellectual persona, which he regularly tries to bolster by reminding anyone who will listen that “daddy was a judge”.
    Always a bit suspect when you have to use the CV of a relative to gain credibility for yourself.

  25. James B

    The people who bullied Alan Jones’ advertisers into submission should be prosecuted. They made it so they couldn’t do business, they didn’t just threaten to boycott. They should be arrested, prosecuted, and given lengthy prison sentences. I’m angered that nobody realised what they were doing was ILLEGAL.

  26. Judith Sloan

    The one issue raised by David Jones’ rant is that companies need to be prepared for completely unjustified assaults by do-gooder groups which will use social media to defame, commercially destroy and blackmail perfectly legitimate companies.

    The classic case is the orangutan’s finger in the Kit Kat wrapper. In this case, Nestle just made a cowardly retreat.

    I loved the women now in charge of Google who stood her ground about her new policy of work at the office rather than at home. Social media went into a meltdown about her dark satanic approach but it quietened down quite quickly.

    Remember all that fuss over the wicked warlord in Uganda. Can’t even remember his name and what ever happened by the way? I’m not really sure number of Facebook likes really means much apart from the response of the unknowing heard.

  27. Tintarella di Luna

    Always a bit suspect when you have to use the CV of a relative to gain credibility for yourself.

    Leigh it’s all that have — for anyone who’s the slightest bit interested — which I was being of a particularly delicate gender — I checked out some of the Gal Quoda handbag hit squad and that’s all they had too — quoting the lives of some distant aunt or their parents but never, never their own mean experiences oh except to say some had been shop assistants and joined the Union — and that was their light on the hill.

  28. James B

    Judith – these companies don’t care that a bunch of people have liked a Facebook page. The problems come when, particularly small business, is actively stopped from being able to do business since their phone lines are being flooded with threatening calls, their email systems are being spammed, etc.

  29. Will

    Judith. How about a post on your opinion piece in The Australian? “The touchy topic of taxation”?

  30. Jim Rose

    Google who stood her ground about her new policy of work at the office rather than at home.

    10% of americans are said to work from home now. part-time work is half as common in the USA as in oz.

    with rising wages, commuting time is more and more expensive, so working from home raises full wages and lowers labour costs and office space overheads.

    I believe it was yahoo: see http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2013/02/26/4-reasons-marissa-mayers-no-at-home-work-policy-is-an-epic-fail/

    I have not used yahoo in 10+ years. good to see it is still in business?

    firms in their deaths throws will try anything. can yahoo afford the additional office space to house the teleworkers?

  31. Tintarella di Luna

    James B

    I can tell you are really riled about this and so am I but what to do when those who are the CEO of these companies don’t have the cojones to just take the bastards on — Alan Joyce did– now he’s merged with Emirates — saw the flyover this morning of the Qantas jet and the Emirates Jet — Fitttingly the Qantas jet was flyingin front of the Emirates jet as a portent of Qantas being royally rogered I’m sure.

  32. Jim Rose

    didn’t jones’ ratings increase and he got new advertisers?

    Jones is a well-spoken, better educated Kyle what’s his name.

  33. Rabz

    I loved the women now in charge of Google who stood her ground about her new policy of work at the office rather than at home.

    No. That would be the Mayer ‘woman’ who departed google to become CEO at yahoo.

    Oh and she’s autistic, BTW. FFS, has anyone ever met or been aware of such a creature as a female maths genius?

    They make yetis look a dime a dozen.

  34. Rabz

    That would be the Mayer ‘woman’ who departed google to become CEO at yahoo.

    One of whose first actions was to ban ‘working’ from home – and good on her.

    Is there a more ridiculous concept on the planet?

  35. mct

    Fitttingly the Qantas jet was flying in front of the Emirates jet as a portent of Qantas being royally rogered I’m sure.

    Not sure that’s the case Tintarella… my reading is that Qantas have cut a pretty good deal. Certainly better than they had with BA, and with at least a real prospect of having their international side get close to breakeven, if not actual (hushed tones please) profit.

  36. WhaleHunt Fun

    ” I strive even harder to buy stuff from someone else.”
    We only ever have Danish butter in the house. When asked why, was told it was because the Danes drew the cartoons of the Mo chap from the three stooges and didn’t back down when his fans started burning embassies. So having some moral fibre gets support round here apparently. Same would apply to anyone bullied by the filth known as Green.

  37. WhaleHunt Fun

    Am now told he wasn’t from the Mo from the stooges. He was apparently from an earlier not-as-funny vaudeville act.

  38. Judith, perhaps you’d care to read Pope Francis’ homily given at his Petrine inaugration.
    Some extracts –
    The vocation of being a “protector”, however, is not just something involving us Christians alone; it also has a prior dimension which is simply human, involving everyone. It means protecting all creation, the beauty of the created world, as the Book of Genesis tells us and as Saint Francis of Assisi showed us. It means respecting each of God’s creatures and respecting the environment in which we live. It means protecting people, showing loving concern for each and every person, especially children, the elderly, those in need, who are often the last we think about. It means caring for one another in our families: husbands and wives first protect one another, and then, as parents, they care for their children, and children themselves, in time, protect their parents. It means building sincere friendships in which we protect one another in trust, respect, and goodness.
    And –
    Please, I would like to ask all those who have positions of responsibility in economic, political and social life, and all men and women of goodwill: let us be “protectors” of creation, protectors of God’s plan inscribed in nature, protectors of one another and of the environment.
    And –
    To protect Jesus with Mary, to protect the whole of creation, to protect each person, especially the poorest, to protect ourselves: this is a service that the Bishop of Rome is called to carry out, yet one to which all of us are called, so that the star of hope will shine brightly. Let us protect with love all that God has given us!
    Sounds a bit like “Who cares wins”…..

  39. WhaleHunt Fun

    I suspect that Mathematics was not considered an inappropriate hobby for a refined lady in Europe. So there are quite a few, but admittedly, less had the money and time and independence to pursue thematter.

  40. Rabz

    Whale – all two of them?

    Not bothered.

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    my reading is that Qantas have cut a pretty good deal

    I’m sure you’re right mct, in fact the Sunbather has purchased more shares, I s’pse it’s my brother who is not a company man although he works for the company is always telling me how badly off the werkers are and he voted for Keating who sold it off — best I stop listening to him I guess

  42. Jim Rose

    a female maths genius

    apparently 10 times as many boys get near perfect SAT-maths scores than girls.

    I have not met many socially well-adjusted maths geeks.

    It may be the twin fat tails problem. development disorders that put some boys into trouble with the law let other boys focus very excessively on maths etc. to the exclusion of having a life.

    Chess clubs are mostly male, many of these with maths, science or ICT backgrounds, and very well populated with obsessive oddballs.

  43. Eyrie

    Rabz, right. It makes much more sense to get in your car, spend time driving, park the thing, go in to the office and sit at your desk where you boot up your PC to go to work instead of going into your home office and booting up your PC to go to work.
    FFS.

  44. James B

    Working home SHOULD be banned. I’m appalled Gillard is trying to get more public servants to work from home. It is utterly unproductive and isn’t conducive to an innovative, collaborative workplace. Abbott should ban working from home in the public service.

  45. mct

    best I stop listening to him I guess

    Never, ever, stop listening to family. It sits in positions 1, 2 and 3. No matter how daft.

  46. Jim Rose

    Working home SHOULD be banned

    In the private sector too where it must pass a market test?

  47. James B

    It matters even more in the private sector, Jim. The Yahoo! CEO should be congratulated.

  48. Rudiau

    What’s all the hullabaloo, my home office is comfortable and very productive.

  49. at least Ms Armytage doesn’t use peroxide!

  50. JC

    Did Skanke Ho, Homer Paxton? I’m sure you would have got the scoop on your corridor of power walks talking to the NSW Right.

  51. Jim Rose

    James B, Who bans working from home? Wise regulators? Far sighted bureaucrats?

    A key advantage of the market process is errors can be corrected in time by more alert entrepreneurs. Regulation has no similar error correction process.

  52. Rabz

    Wonderful.

    I was hoping the “Ban working from home” comment would create some controversy!

  53. Jim Rose

    should the self-employed be allowed to work from home?

    good luck defining self-employed.

  54. wreckage

    Everyone who works, works for the community. If they didn’t do something for someone else they’d never get paid. Ergo the majority of all firms spend the majority of all their time and resources serving the community. And when they’re done, they take most of the money they make and redistribute it to their workers.

    It’s a virtuous cycle.

  55. Empire Strikes Back

    Your wish granted Rabz.

    I get paid to produce an outcome within an agreed timeframe. Where and when I produce it is of no consequnce. Collaboration is occaisonlly required, but my co collaborators reside in other cities and countries. So working from home sometimes works for me, especially if I’m teleconferencing in the wee hours. Anyone who wants to debate it with me is a totalitarian fucktard.

    We have a moronic obsession in this country with being paid for time served. The sooner we shift our thinking to being paid for results the better. If using a home office facilitates that, good.

    Most public servants get paid for watching a clock, so I agree no home working for them. As a matter of fairness, they need to be all watching the same clock.

  56. kae

    Sabrina

    Three people died in that wall collapse. A terrible thing which never should have happened and I’m sure an investigation will get to the bottom of it so it doesn’t happen again.

    I didn’t know any of them, and people die every day.

  57. Chris M

    Kyle Sandilands… But now he is Jool’s BFF

    Actually I recently heard Tim had been sidelined and there was a new boyfriend. It can’t surely be this lout though?

  58. kae

    Chris M

    I think the gist was it was a Scotsman on a working visa.

  59. Ant

    My experience in the architecture profession and having dealt with green star design is that it’s a great carpet bagging, money spinner for the green consultancy and supply industry.

    Only government funded projects can afford them, for obvious reasons, and the private sector that does decide to go along with it do it for the reasons Judith says: To project an air of being environmentally responsible.

    And note this: in one of the biggest government spends in history – the BER – the government didn’t even bother with pursuing Greenstar ratings for the hundreds of projects built.

    That pretty much sums up what a con it is.

  60. David Brewer

    Oh Honey Honey is quite correct: in the end, who cares most about profit really does win; the market sorts out the rest.

    I heard that one canny British CEO used nevertheless to attend CBI gabfests; though only, as he put it, “to see who is taking his eye off the ball.”

    Even so, Jones is in marketing. This may be what he is marketing now. Who knows how many CBI types are dumb enough to buy some Havas campaign built around social media schtick.

    On working from home, it works if the worker is doing something he wants to do. It doesn’t work for sclerotic bureaucracies. If Yahoo has had to ban it, they must be on their last legs:

    Why work doesn’t happen at work.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Newton plagerised this phrase.

    Certainly can’t accuse you of plagiarising the Oxford Dictionary for the spelling of plagiarise.

  62. Leigh Lowe

    And note this: in one of the biggest government spends in history – the BER – the government didn’t even bother with pursuing Greenstar ratings for the hundreds of projects built.

    Pretty tough to get a six star rating on three poles and some shadecloth.

  63. Will

    Pretty tough to get a six star rating on three poles and some shadecloth.

    is that where all those millions went?

  64. Will

    err sorry billions…all 16 of them

  65. Was she looking good though?

    I thought she was pretty, and I kind of warmed to her because she was a more generously-built lady, and one who could have had a lot more va-va-voom if she’d been paired with a slightly more butch dance partner. As it was, the chap she was paired with was of a more ladylike nature, and they had about as much chemistry as – I think it was P J O’Rourke who said this – a pairing of Florence Henderson and Jim Nabors.

    at least Ms Armytage doesn’t use peroxide!

    Oh, I wouldn’t bet the farm on that one. But peroxide is a fault that the best of us can suffer from at times …

  66. Pickles

    ABC warned that anyone engaged in adulterous or homosexual behaviour in Dubai on qantas stop over would be liable to severe punishment.

  67. Chris M

    Sounds great, Qantas should offer free flights for Green party members.

  68. Pickles

    At least in Singers you only have to worry about having an errant stick of chewy in your pocket.

  69. Business editor Ross Greenwood gently tried to restore sense

    Ross has been reduced to a patronising 60 seconds on Today, just so the economic illiterati know that they will soon be rid of stuff that obviously only interests greedy capitalist pigs, as though they themselves *cough* don’t care about money.

  70. You can explain to people how off-shoring increases our wealth, but they will look at you like and say they would rather have lower living standards and keep the jobs in the same market. Paying less for cars so we can have more money for holidays and move the jobs to tourism does not compute. Every trade and job must exist forever.

    How dare foreigners take our jobs that we don’t want to do! I’m outraged, i tells ya!!

  71. Infidel Tiger

    ABC warned that anyone engaged in adulterous or homosexual behaviour in Dubai on qantas stop over would be liable to severe punishment.

    The cabin staff are terrified.

  72. Sorry, it’s time to don the grammar nazi hat.

    “Death throws”, Jim? I think the term you are looking for is “Death throes”.

    And dare I ping Judith, but in the context used, i think “herd” is the term you were looking for, but I suspect some evil spellchecker was responsible for that. Sorry, back to normal programming, viewers.

  73. WhaleHunt Fun

    With gay marriage they’ll be breaking both rules at the same time. What then? Do the flog you to death WHILE stoning you to death?

  74. WhaleHunt Fun

    But surely, Beer Whsperer, the death throws are the rock chucks that hit the mark.

  75. Is there a more ridiculous concept on the planet?

    I’m sure I could think of a few, but hey, what better than to “work” at home? Gee, i’d even sleep at work to make up for it, that way I could get uninterrupted sleep, and dismiss the rugrats under the guise of “daddy’s working”. That’s a win-win, assuming you are referring to me in both cases. I’m such a genius, and where’d my beer get to?

  76. Pickles

    I thought the Qantas fellow was light on his feet? Is he leading his brethren to their doom?

  77. Jim Rose

    hubbing out of Dubai has many risks.

    few will drink too much and risk arrest for air-rage when they land in in Dubai for air-rage.

    people will have to stayover in Dubia because of an in-flight illness and be subject to harsh laws.

  78. Paul

    Samantha Armytage and Katreeeeeena Rowntree are both examples of “The Triumph of the Tits”.

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