Breaking News: Margaret Thatcher has passed away

There are unconfirmed reports that Margaret Thatcher has died following a stroke.

Update I: Twitter picking up the story.

Update II: The Guardian reports.

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417 Responses to Breaking News: Margaret Thatcher has passed away

  1. cohenite

    Tamino says:

    The first salient point is that the step-change model really does fit better than the linear-trend model.

    Despite Tamino’s protestation AGW is based on linear trends. And he has helpfully showed why that is bullshit.

    So far so good. But then the brainiac can’t help himself; he offers 2 irrelevant alternative statistical interpretations of the data, a quadratic [based on smoothed data ffs] and a conjoined discontinuous linear trend.

    Why are they irrelevant? Because they do not correlate with the physical phenomena. The break in 1976 does and the break DOWN in 1998 also does.

    This exercise by Tamino shows everything which is wrong with AGW science; which is smartarses being smartarses instead of marrying the methods with the facts.

    Do you think about anything you fucking link to steve? Next time you link tell us about in your own words you smarmy turd.

  2. Aliice

    and one thing I have noticed about cat ladies (real ones) is that they dont mind the odd poke either

    here is the the ladylike Tintarella da Luna with a little tiny stick to poke..

    “SfB has created an echo chamber …thump thump is this thing on? SfB go away you are most annoying

  3. Abu Chowdah

    Those loser scum were probably protesting coal mines the week before, now they are protesting the Lady who closed them.

    They ought to be flogged.

  4. Tom

    As mentioned, Andrew, due to your good work, the MSM picked up the Melbourne University Students Union story:

    THE University of Melbourne Student Union has passed a motion to celebrate the death of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, a move which has angered some students.

    The motion described the former PM’s legacy as “horrific” and said her “neoliberal policies that destroyed the lives of millions”.

    To “celebrate” her death, the council will also screen the Ken Loach film Which side are you on?

    The move has outraged some students who described the move as “disgusting”.

    Bolt has also devoted a section to it on his blog:

    UPDATE

    You sometimes forget how cruel and silly some children can be, and then along comes the Melbourne University Students Union in full Lord of the Flies mode to vote for this:

    That Students’ Council recognise the horrific legacy of Margaret Thatcher and her neoliberal policies that destroyed the lives of millions, her violent crushing of the miners’ strike, her oppression of the Irish and murder of Bobby Sands and other hunger strikes, her unconditioned support for right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Suharto and her support for apartheid in South Africa, among many other things and celebrates her death unreservedly. Students’ Council also commits to organising a screening of the Ken Loach film ‘Which side are you on?’ to further celebrate this event.

    Yes, I know they are just children. But do they know this, too?

    When I find the names of the five students who voted for this resolution, I’ll let you know. After all, chances are some may later want your vote for Parliament, and it’s best you knew what they’re like.

    I’ll also name the three who opposed this motion. People of character should be encouraged.

    I suggest listening to Price on 2GB tonight at 8pm; I expect he and/or Bolt will raise the story.

  5. JC

    Shut up Alice. Go hit the gin bottle again.

  6. Gab

    Most sense you’ve made, Alice. Your 7:05pm comment. Keep it up.

  7. When I find the names of the five students who voted for this resolution, I’ll let you know.

    What a vindictive prick Bolt has become.

  8. Gab

    Andrew should be able to help out Bolt with the names surely? It would be good to know who these pricks are and keep an eye on them for when they enter the Labor/Greens parties.

  9. Aliice

    Shutup yourself JC you old dinosaur.

  10. Aliice

    That was supposed to be a whistle sound but it got stuck in the spam filter Gab.

  11. A fairly charming story, in its way, and if it is true, of the somewhat prickly early relationship between Margaret and Liz. (I like the image of Phil running a bar b que):

    After a first evening dinner at the main house, a black tie occasion with local guests, the ritual second evening of each Balmoral visit features a barbecue organized mainly by Prince Philip. It takes place at a cottage or sometimes a summer house on the estate and begins with the Duke setting off in a Land Rover with a special trailer, ingeniously kitted out with cutlery, plates, glasses, drink and food. “When you arrived there, Prince Philip would be cursing away getting the barbecue going, and the Queen laid out the knives and forks and the equerries got the whisky going, and the seating plan was not at all hierarchical,” says one participant.

    Prince Philip would arrive with a beautifully cooked but very rare piece of beef, “which didn’t suit Margaret at all, she hated rare meat,” and the Queen would ensure that she was sitting next to a new, or relatively junior, guest, to put them at ease. Another visitor recalls “feeling as if I was in some kind of virtual reality” where the Queen and Prince Philip were “playing at being normal people.”

    Once, as the Queen handed around and then gathered in plates, Mrs. Thatcher, upset to see her monarch doing a menial job unaided, kept trying to leap up to help. Eventually the Queen hissed: “Will somebody tell that woman to sit down?” The story seems emblematic of their relationship: a prime minister with a strong sense of authority and deference only trying to help, and a Queen who cannot help feeling irritated by her.

  12. Carpe Jugulum

    Listen you lot who piled in here after SFB if you get rid of him I am coming for you…I havent seen numbers in days.

    Way to go there creepy stalker cat lady.

  13. Happymonkey

    Steve – as a good citizen, Bolta is going to inform those who may one day unwittingly vote for these fucking scumbags.

  14. Tiny Dancer

    Malice. You didn’t answer my question from earlier. What does paint thinner taste like?

  15. Aliice

    Really is anyone surprised here that Thatcher would be as controversial in death as in life?

  16. Abu Chowdah

    Really is anyone surprised here that Thatcher would be as controversial in death as in life?

    Or that her passing would have no impact on your drinking?

  17. Aliice

    Tiny …where have you been?

    Now if you are that hungry you are considering drinking paint thinnner – see the salvos first. They have food stamps for deros like you.

    Im sure it tastes absolutely foul. I urge you not to do it.

  18. Gab

    Bolta is going to inform those who may one day unwittingly vote for these fucking scumbags.

    hehehe aint’ the internet grand? And twitter and facebook and whatever. Never before have we been able to keep track of loathsome students and their actions who may eventually enter politics (via the unions usually) as closely, accurately and for recorded time as we can now.

  19. Uni students into student politics are routinely immature show ponies who take themselves and life too seriously at too young an age.

    Some are even physically intimidating of women, and throw punches towards them, touch women on the lower back and get charged for it, and bend street signs for a joke and charged for it and are lucky to have no conviction recorded. [See Abbott, T].

    Adult politicians are best not judged by stupid things they did at uni.

    And in particular, in these days of cyber harassment, Bolt’s publication of their names is quite likely going to cause a torrent of abuse from wingnuts right now – let alone being remembered in 10 years time if they are running for office.

  20. Aliice

    I shall come back later when the dumb scrum departs.

    Sorry Abu – try to take personally if you can. I have to get up early.

  21. candy

    “What a vindictive prick Bolt has become.”

    I see no problem with A. Bolt respecting the very recently deceased, Steve.

  22. JC

    Blah, Blah, Blah , blah.

    You bullshit artist. The only reason your ascribing those things about Abbott to his youth are because these leftist twats may be outed.

    You doucbebag, Stepford.

  23. JC

    I really hope Bolt does publish the names. Good on him.

  24. Carpe Jugulum

    Some are even physically intimidating of women, and throw punches towards them, touch women on the lower back and get charged for it, and bend street signs for a joke and charged for it and are lucky to have no conviction recorded.

    Some students bankrupt the AUS, make stupid declarations and then go on to shag other womens husbands.

  25. I see no problem with A. Bolt respecting the very recently deceased, Steve.

    Oh bullshite, candy. It will be about people attacking silly students (who may never get into real life politics) through cyber space now – probably several people who read this thread will be happy to join in.

  26. Carpe Jugulum

    I have to get up early.

    Got the 9am appointment with the shrink this week sybil.

  27. candy

    Steve, She died about 15 hours ago. Someone should let those kids know it’s really poor form to “dance on her grave”. She wasn’t a [email protected] or anything.

  28. Carpe Jugulum

    probably several people who read this thread will be happy to join in.

    Actions have consequences, a lesson best learned early for these poltroons.

  29. JC

    Oh bullshite, candy. It will be about people attacking silly students (who may never get into real life politics) through cyber space now – probably several people who read this thread will be happy to join in.

    Oh so if they don;t enter public life, it shouldn’t bother them too much then.

    Lets hope he names names. Good for him. Fuck’em.

    Hey Step,

    was bonking married men … continually… yooffull indiscretion?

  30. JC

    She died about 15 hours ago. Someone should let those kids know it’s really poor form to “dance on her grave”.

    ‘sactly.

    They aren’t fucking kids. They’re adults and should be treated as such.

    Get those names out there. I only hope the Cat does a back up thread on them, just to make sure no one misses out in knowing who these venomous spiders are.

  31. Tom

    Bolt’s publication of their names is quite likely going to cause a torrent of abuse

    It’s called “consequences” for their actions, of which you know nothing, being a spineless gutter-crawling troll so sure of your convictions you publish a blog no-one reads anonymously, then spend all day everyday here flaunting yourself like a syphillitic whore.

  32. Tiny Dancer

    The difference in reactions to the deaths of Chavez and Thatcher speak volumes. The left cant control themselves. They are pigs of humans

  33. dover_beach

    I know some people myself that are likely to be very happy. We have to admit that many people were caught between a rock and a hard place during the 80s in the UK. But they wrongly blame the dentist, Thatcher, rather than antecedent British PMs that actually gave them the rotten teeth.

  34. Louis Hissink

    The left are simply animals (defined as those who cannot abstain from instinctive behaviour), and to be treated as such.

  35. johanna

    @ Deadman

    The poorly written and punctuated language of the motion on Lady Thatcher (without touching on its silly content) tells us all we need to know of the calibre of the University of Melbourne’s student union.
    ——————–
    Then we have the the semi-literate backpedal by the President, which among other atrocities, says “the motion read as such:” and quoted the motion.

    What “as such” has to do with the price of fish is unclear. It is meaningless verbiage, which is probably a good indicator of where there person is likely to end up in the power structure of the future.

    Deadman, I commend you for making the effort to remind us that there are standards of precision which should be upheld in English expression.

    Disclaimer: my blog comments are not always perfect in that regard. But I assure readers that anything I have ever written for professional purposes was held to a high standard. Avoiding ambiguity and the appearance of lack of knowledge or care matters a lot, once you get beyond the P&C newsletter.

  36. Aliice

    Relax JC. No use getting your knickers so twisted they constrict your ….thoughts. Its a democracy and this is called freedom of speech.

    So Bolt is going to conduct his own trial of wait for it….5 uni students protesting Thatchers policies. Go read my post at 9.46m. Some of her policies did a lot of damage, and long term damage

    So Bolt doesnt like freedom of speech when his idols are maligned in his view ie freedom of speech for Bolt and no-one else.

    Id say Bolt has gotten away with all sorts of verbal shite and suddenly he is chasing uni students through student politics – as for the moral “behaviour” grounds I can think of more than a few non student politicians that have morals far lower.
    Bolt is just chasing sensalionist populist news and why wouldnt he when it whips up silly people?

    If anything I dont think Thatcher was ill intentioned and probably was very well intentioned – just foolish to think the financial institutions would make better masters that lazy rorting government departments and unions. Lets face it – assets the size of what seh flogged essentiallu pass to the banks anyway in one form or another.

    If anything the financiers were / are far bigger and more powerful and far more capable of getting us all in deep shit. Its already happened.

    But I agree, any rorting of the public purse by anyone is contemptible but JC if you think banks dont go in for the jugular with privatisations (and didnt with Thatcher’s privatisations – then you are dreaming or stupid or belligerantly and wilfully lying. She handed over workers pension entitlements in some of these privatisations because the fuckover financiers demanded it as a condition I am sure – but she did it anyway and that was as unforgivable as what happened in Cyprus.

    But I am sure you wouldnt agree with that would you JC, aka banker / trader?.

    Other people’s money is there for the taking (stealing) in your well fattened predatory financial world. The shame of it all was Thatcher was naive to think she could find greater efficiencyies by privatising all.

    She merely replaced one set of inefficiencies with another, now vastly bigger and uglier set.

    As for Bolt – sensationalist idiot.

  37. Gab

    Hey remember when the lefties got upset over people celebrating the death of Bin Laden?

    But they themselves are now celebrating the death of an old lady who once fought against communism and fought for freedom.

    That’s all you need to know about leftards.

  38. Tom

    Fuck off, Alice. I’m sick of you wrecking threads with your incoherent brain-damaged babble. Go and find a blog for people as mentally impaired as you and stop fucking up this website where you are universally loathed.

  39. Aliice

    Tiny,

    “The difference in reactions to the deaths of Chavez and Thatcher speak volumes.”

    Tiny why dont you tell us what the difference is? What are you getting at? The people under Chavez liked him and not all the people under Thatcher liked her??.

    Is that it? I really am not sure what the difference was because you didnt exactly speak volumes about it (but I guess its hard to write when you are hungry and have been drinking paint thinners)

  40. nilk

    Regarding all those young morons (and not so young) on twitter, I’d like to pick one and present their tweets and other cerebral droppings to their parents. I wonder if the oldies would be amused or appalled?

    If my girl ever came out with any of the bile that so many do, she would be toast.

  41. Aliice

    Tom – how nice to see you (as ever). Whats the matter honey? Having a bad life?

  42. Aliice and I have combined forces: Surrender Catallaxy, or it’s flying monkeys next.

  43. Tom

    Great, Sinc. We’re meant to just abandon the Cat while the trolls trash it, yeah? FMD

  44. Splatacrobat

    When I find the names of the five students who voted for this resolution, I’ll let you know.

    What a vindictive prick Bolt has become.

    This is history in the making Steve. Imagine if Gillard hadn’t left a trail of dog shit from her uni days as a member of the socialist forum we may never have known about her voting on a resolution to class housewives as whores.

    No doubt amongst this gang of five is a budding Gillard or Ramjet to young to realise their actions today will have consequences years later.

    Imagine if these infants were young liberals and they voted to celebrate the death of Whitlam? How would the stenographers guild would howl?

    Not vindictive, just recording names for posterity.

  45. blogstrop

    Zoo bilong Sinc. Enjoy.

  46. Aliice

    Tom – yeah – piss off. You are an intolerant bludger who never has jack to say anyway.

  47. Tom and blogstrop have their daily dummy spit over not being able to control the blog.

  48. Splatacrobat

    Aliice and I have combined forces: Surrender Catallaxy, or it’s flying monkeys next.

    You could do better Steve. Malice isn’t fit to shovel shit from one end of Sussex Street to the other.

  49. Tom

    The Militant Simpletons wreck another thread.

  50. Aliice

    Thats about it Sfb. Tom, the little pratt thinks he is the blogmaster. He probably gets up every morning dons a uniform and salutes something.

  51. Carpe Jugulum

    Aliice and I have combined forces

    get a room.

  52. Aliice

    sfb – they dont call him Splat for nothing. He throws so much crap around in here he ends up wearing it himself most of the time.

  53. Tom

    This thread is now dominated by two website-wrecking trolls who despise the Cat community and everything it was set up to achieve.

  54. Splatacrobat

    I don’t have a cast of thousands telling me I’m a mad old cat lady with a drinking problem Malice.

  55. Imagine if Gillard hadn’t left a trail of dog shit from her uni days as a member of the socialist forum we may never have known about her voting on a resolution to class housewives as whores.

    Actually, we don’t know that she voted for it (afaik).

    It also wasn’t a resolution that said unambiguously that all housewives were prostitutes. I have never seen the full context, but that doesn’t matter to wingnuts, just as the context of Flannery’s comments about dams and rain are never quoted in context.

  56. Splatacrobat

    Aliice and I have combined forces

    Italy joined forces with Germany……worked out well for them too.

  57. everything it was set up to achieve.

    Tom’s knowledge of “what it was set up to achieve” being canonical, of course.

  58. Aliice

    Get your own room Carpe – and take TD, Tom, Splat and Brainless from Moronbin with you. Its you idiots that go round being jerks. You dish it out but you just cant take it back and you think its fun because anyone who doesnt sound quite like your moronically narrow version of a conservative echo chamber gets five or 6 goons leaping around swearing at them

    Have a good look at yourself fellas..no dont. You might scare yourselves.

    Goodnight SFB. See you soon. Go right ahead and wipe the floor with this trash before I get back.
    It wont be hard.

  59. JC

    Relax JC. No use getting your knickers so twisted they constrict your ….thoughts. Its a democracy and this is called freedom of speech.

    Yep. I never suggested they didn’t have a right, you twit.

    So Bolt is going to conduct his own trial of wait for it….5 uni students protesting Thatchers policies.

    What show trial? He’s just going to publish their names , that’s all.

    Go read my post at 9.46m. Some of her policies did a lot of damage, and long term damage

    They certainly did not. It’s because of her that the place was barely able to withstand those years of Labor governing.

  60. Cold-Hands

    just as the context of Flannery’s comments about dams and rain are never quoted in context.

    Sorry, sfb but Flannery’s nonsense in context is just as risible.

  61. Brian of Moorabbin

    Now here was I thinking Aliice was ignoring me (and Carpe) after last night… and yet, despite me not saying a single word to her today, she decides to go the personal attack..

    Classy Aliice, very classy… *golfclap*

  62. wreckage

    Flannery’s gibbering nonsense is an embarrassment.

  63. dover_beach

    It also wasn’t a resolution that said unambiguously that all housewives were prostitutes.

    Dear oh dear

    I have never seen the full context,

    Ditto

  64. blogstrop

    SfB has another ejaculation over his ability to spray at will.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Hilarious.

    No, their motion is not hilarious. I won’t try to pass it off as a joke that we can try to ‘backfire’ on them. It is an example of how twisted and perverted a political discourse can become. The University of Melbourne is shamed by them.

    These students are as old as those who fought and gave their lives up for a cause in past times. Yet these students are merely posturing and their facts are wrong.

    Death deserves respect in the first instance. It is the civilised thing to do.

  66. Aliice

    consider it payback Brain, now go to the room with your mates.

    JC – Thatchers policies did do long term damage. I never suggested she was not well intentioned. The privatisations did not come with lower prices and we are suffering now because they went too far with the whole idea of mass privatisations.

    Its been taken to the extreme by every bit player in politics ever since because like the fellas above they cant escape their parties narrow echo chambers. Privatisations good / government baaaaaaad.

    Its done nothing but overinflate banks (and you know damn well they have been overinflated JC artificially by privatisation grabs and kingmaker deal prices and super legislation).

    Bank street is doing fine and the rest of the sectors in a balanced economy are paying in blood money.

    Breathe and you owe someone insurance. The financial sectors are leaning like cannonball weights on dancing government puppets across the globe. I dont even think Thatcher would have ever imagined or ever foreseen the mess we have now.

    So basiaclly JC – you lie.

  67. Gab

    No, their motion is not hilarious. I won’t try to pass it off as a joke that we can try to ‘backfire’ on them. It is an example of how twisted and perverted a political discourse can become. The University of Melbourne is shamed by them.

    These students are as old as those who fought and gave their lives up for a cause in past times. Yet these students are merely posturing and their facts are wrong.

    Death deserves respect in the first instance. It is the civilised thing to do.

    Hear, hear. Especially the last sentence.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    … it is the civilised thing to do.

    Even Hammy knew that.

  69. candy

    Aliice
    It’s not about Mrs Thatcher’s policies. It’s about degarding the memory of a former PM who gave her heart and soul to her job with honesty and conviction, who just died last night.

    Could have been a Labor PM, makes no diff. It’s about respect.

  70. candy

    And you and Steve are showing a conspicuous lack of respect.

  71. Aliice

    Tom is still wailing to the blogmaster (when he isnt trying to impersonate one)…”the cat has been defiled” foreva. Someone give crybaby a tissue.

    Goodnight kids.

  72. Brian of Moorabbin

    I thought you were going to bed Aliice (as well as ignoring me)..

    Stay classy babe.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    Hey, remember when Steven de Brisbane said that he was a conservative who had stayed true to conservatism and it was the rest of us who had changed?

    Maggie is the greatest Conservative of the last 100 years and yet weirdly he doesn’t seem to like her very much. I wonder who his conservative heroes are?

  74. Brian of Moorabbin

    IT, that’d be Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot… and lest we forget, every single Pope from the last 70 years

  75. Aliice

    Sometimes Candy when you have a pack insulting you – the only way is fight like a pack animal. I dont think either myself or sfb started this and I dont think numbers did either – he just said what he thought and up pop the serial goons with their serial insults (spud was a potato peeler, I am a drunk and we are all mentally deranged)

    …have a good look upthread Candy.

  76. Rubbish, candy.

    I’m saying it’s not worth worrying about the silly exaggerations of 5 wet behind the ears Uni students. And I see the clear potential for cyber harassing attack on them from Bolt wanting his brand of flying monkeys to know their names.

  77. Tracey

    Another night, another lemonade for Aliice…

  78. Infidel Tiger

    I am a drunk and we are all mentally deranged)

    Finally the truth. Thank you Aliice.

  79. IT, you dimwit: most of my talk on the topic of Thatcher has been about her changing take on climate change.

    I’ve mounted a strong case as to why her later views should be taken less seriously than her earlier views, which remain the shining example of how a proper, serious conservative should view the issue.

    You and this blog disgrace the name of decent and serious conservatism on the issue.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Aliice and I have combined forces

    Believe me Alice, he will not respect you in the morning.

  81. Brian of Moorabbin

    I’ve mounted a strong case as to why her later views should be taken less seriously than her earlier views,

    Of course your own bias towards AGW has had absolutely no impact on how much weight you give to Thatcher’s later (2003) statements, has it Steve?

  82. Carpe Jugulum

    Get your own room Carpe – and take TD, Tom, Splat and Brainless from Moronbin with you

    I do believe alice has come up with the blogging equivalent of “you’re a poopy head”.

    It must take a lot of skill to be a sophomoric dribbler with a skin full of ‘lady in the boat’.

  83. Incidentally, I tended to feel more kindly towards Thatcher while she was PM than I did towards Reagan during his Presidency. I was never convinced of his intellect and was mystified as to what the American public saw in him. There was never any doubt of Thatcher’s intellect while in office, however.

  84. Aliice

    I do have respect for Thatcher – she did a lot to reduce government rorting and stalemates caused by union blockages but got caught out in the end going too far with her own ideals. Probably thought she was on to a good prescription. FRiedman;s book wasnt long out and given he was a conservative and swept up on a movement of economic headwinds – it would have been hard for Margaret Thatcher to resist (and hard for Nigel Lawson).

    There is no “ideal” as to whether the private sector owns something or the government although on balance its probably preferable in pure private with the exception of vital infrastructure and services IMO.

    Yet there is an ideal that a well functioning government will actively seek to reduce and penalise strongly corruption at every turn and in every dark corner, whether that comes in the form of bureaucrat and union corruption or the corruption of government tender processes and / or assets by the private sector.

    You cannot acknowledge the former and turn a blind eye to the latter.

  85. Brian: and of course your feelings on AGW make you grab at her 2002 statements in her book. Unfortunately for you, it is a matter of record that her mental abilities were atrophying by that time.

  86. Carpe Jugulum

    Steve from Brisbane Bedlam 9:09.

    You and this blog disgrace the name of decent and serious conservatism on the issue.

    Please – put down the crack pipe and move away from the keyboard before you self harm.

  87. Gab

    It’s the Ren and Stimpy Thread.

  88. Carpe Jugulum

    It’s the Ren and Stimpy Thread.

    lol 🙂

  89. Infidel Tiger

    Incidentally, I tended to feel more kindly towards Thatcher while she was PM than I did towards Reagan during his Presidency.

    Were you a fan of Disraeli at the time?

  90. Aliice

    Lizzie

    You go look after the HIA. This is no polite thread for nice ladies like you. You will learn bad words here LOL.

  91. Aliice

    Carpe

    I hate to be the one to tell you this but I dont think sfb is actually talking to you. You might be on ignore with him.

  92. Tiny Dancer

    WTF? SfB gets a hard on when retarded alcoholic tranny, Malice, cracks onto him.

  93. Aliice

    Oh I dont want to look (at Gabs link).
    Gab has a quietly wicked streak I have noticed…

  94. Carpe Jugulum

    You might be on ignore with him.

    Sod.off.rummy.

  95. Aliice

    Oh Tiny – I just dont know what pubs childcare centres raised you!

  96. It would be entertaining to have the next 20 comments alternating just between me and Aliice.

  97. Gab

    You have your own blog for that SFB.

  98. Splatacrobat

    Last word Malice still trying to defend the indefensible.
    Go to bed and take SFB with you.

  99. nilk

    And here are your student uni people. I have no idea who voted for the motion, but it’s still a very interesting site.

    Did you know that staring at someone is sexual harassment?

    Andrew, you really need to introduce some of your classmates to the wonderful world of the Cat. Especially the females. My goodness life is so hard for first world people when they have to worry about people, like, looking at them.

  100. Aliice

    If only the rabble of serial insulters would just toodle off for their milos sfb ….
    Could you guys all please leave? I would like to be alone for a chat with sfb?

    Do you think they will listen sfb?.

    Most have a hard time following simple instructions.

    Seriously now – I have to go myself – my cat cave calls.

  101. Brian of Moorabbin

    Steve, au contraire.

    My feelings on AGW are as a result of looking at all the evidence provided by both sides, weighing them equally, and then coming to a reasoned conclusion.

    I agree (as do 90% of skeptics) that the world IS warming. I disagree that it is solely due to the influence of one single companent (CO2) of what is a complex and (even as admitted by the IPCC, UEA CRU, et al) not fully understood system.

    The truth of the matter is that, for the last 15 years, CO2 levels have increased yet the warming trend has remained well within the +/- variables… effectively it has remained static; it has not followed the various models which suggest that for the current levels of CO2 the temperature increases should be considerably greater than those which have been recorded. Even James Hansen, Phil Jopnes, and others (including Dr Pachuari of the IPCC) have conceeded that warming has stalled for the past 15 years… and then shifted the goalposts by claiming that 30 years of such a stall would be required to disprove AGW (We won’t mention the logical fallacy that 15 yeras of ‘warming’ is enough to ‘prove’ the theory, but double that amount is needed to disprove it..)

    Maggie Thatcher said in 1988 that AGW was ocurring; that’s on the record. It’s also on the record that she recanted those views in a book widely touted as one of the greatest books on statecraft of the 20th Century. People cannot claim that one one small portion of her book (her recanting of AGW) is flawed, whilst simultaneously lauding the rest of the book.. either it is all flawed, or it is all worthy of the praise it has garnered.

  102. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Alice, the HIA is desolate. Lady Thatcher was his dream girl. In her politics anyway.

    Steve from Brisbane:

    There was never any doubt of Thatcher’s intellect

    Alice:

    I do have respect for Thatcher – she did a lot to reduce government rorting and stalemates caused by union blockages

    There. That is all either of you needed to say.

    Don’t thank me. It was a pleasure.

  103. Jim Rose

    what did Thatcher actually do?

    by discrediting socialism so thoroughly, she prompted in due course the adoption by the Labour Party of free market economics, and so, as she wryly confessed in later years, “helped to make it electable”.

    from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/8093845/Margaret-Thatcher-obituary.html

    But what did she do? she stopped taxes and spending from growing further as a share of GDP.

    The post-1980 economic and fiscal reforms are an example of a political system converging onto more efficient modes of income redistributions as demanded by the middle-of-the-road voter as the deadweight losses of taxes and regulation grew.

    Improvements in the efficiency of taxes, regulation and spending reduce political pressure to suppress the growth of government. this increased or prevented cuts to both total tax revenue and spending. Economic regulation lessened after 1980 but social regulation grew unabated.

    The reforms by Thatcher asaved the welfare state. the Left is so ungrateful.

  104. a book widely touted as one of the greatest books on statecraft of the 20th Century.

    Methinks you exaggerate. A lot.

  105. Lizzie, I had already said earlier in the day that she achieved important reforms and deserved respect.

    That doesn’t make me want to run around putting the boot into uni students who pass silly resolutions. Passing silly and somewhat irritatingly naive resolutions is what uni students do, then grow out of.

  106. Brian of Moorabbin

    Methinks you exaggerate. A lot.

    Name one book that you feel is more influential.

  107. brc

    It also wasn’t a resolution that said unambiguously that all housewives were prostitutes. I have never seen the full context, but that doesn’t matter to wingnuts, just as the context of Flannery’s comments about dams and rain are never quoted in context.

    This kind of idiotic excuse making is beyond the pale.

    Even if they ambiguously said housewives were prostitutes it’s a terrible thing to say. Flannerys statements have always been posted in context. He said,clear as day, the dams and rivers were not going to fill again. They did. End of story.

  108. Jim Rose

    a book widely touted as one of the greatest books on statecraft of the 20th Century.

    statecraft was published in the second year of the 21st century. get insults right.

  109. brc, you are wrong. I have set out why at this blog before, and re-posted it at John Quiggin’s recently.

    Brian, I have quoted one review of Statecraft already (by Chris Patten) who thought the book may harm her reputation. Here’s another review (by the then editor of the Economist) which gives it only very qualified praise.

    Interestingly, from the point of view of the section on climate change, the review ends with this:

    As is often the case with the books of doers rather than writers, there has been much speculation about who actually wrote “Statecraft.” The likeliest answer seems to be that, as an experienced user of speech writers, Thatcher employed a team of people to draft different sections of it, and then superimposed her anecdotes and some more of her own views, for the style is disjointed and quite variable.

    As I said earlier, it would be good to know the background of whoever it may have been who helped form that chapter.

  110. Brian of Moorabbin

    Jim, you’re right. 2002 is indeed in the 21st Century.

    I stand corrected.

    Not sure why you think my stating that the book is touted as ‘great’ is an insult though?

  111. Jarrah

    “and then shifted the goalposts by claiming that 30 years of such a stall would be required to disprove AGW”

    That’s not a shift, Brian. 30 years has ALWAYS been the standard timeframe for climate trends to be distinguishable from variability in weather.

    That said, the 15-year pause (in surface temperatures, not other measures) was not predicted, and remains unaccounted for. The models clearly need work.

    As an aside, do you even realise the contradiction in your reasoning? You tout the uncertainty about the system, but then cite the lack of one-to-one correlation as somehow disproving AGW. That’s not coherent.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Could you guys all please leave? I would like to be alone for a chat with sfb?

    Perhaps Doomlord could allocate a separate thread for this, Alice, if only to keep the rest of the populace happy and unquesy in the tum. Just you and Stevie.

    Worries me though. As I have said, I think it unwise of you to engage with SfB in this way. SfB has all sorts of form here. I would protectively offer to come with you, except HIA would come too and there would be little left of Stevie after that.

    I must say too that I find it hard to allocate which one of you is out of their league in this association. It is very hard to match up the inconsistencies and red herrings of each into any sort of ordered contest. It’s a type of Bedlam, really.

    The value of course of a separate thread for you both is that this one could return to its original purpose: a recognition that history was made yesterday when a great lady left the stage, to very widespread and enduring acclaim.

  113. Tom

    Even if they ambiguously said housewives were prostitutes it’s a terrible thing to say.

    There’s no mystery about why the fawning troll identifies with the Lying Slapper:

    Julia Gillard’s first foray into politics was in the early 1980s, when, as a university law student, she became active in the now-defunct Australian Union of Students (AUS).

    The AUS was then totally dominated by the extreme left. In 1983 — the year she was elected AUS president — an AUS annual council defeated heavily a call to oppose “all acts of terrorism and political violence” (AUS Annual Council 1983: motion N28).

    Furthermore, the AUS annual council declined to recognise the rights of religious clubs and societies at universities to “express their views on campus” or to have access to campus facilities (AUS Annual Council 1983: motion N34).

    The AUS declared 1983 to be the International Year of the Lesbian.

    It also adopted a policy on prostitution which said, in part: “Prostitution takes many forms and is not only the exchange of money for sex. … Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.” (Quoted by Helen Trinca, The Australian, April 6, 1984, p.7).

    This bizarre statement made headlines across Australia. Anti-AUS student activists produced posters with the slogan: “AUS says your mother is a prostitute!”

  114. Cold-Hands

    The University of Melbourne Student Union Student Council voted:

    For: 5 (five)
    Against: 3 (three)
    Abstentions: 4 (four)

    This indicates that 6 of the eighteen councillors were absent. The minutes of the meeting (when posted) will indicate which were the fence-sitters and who the hate-filled apparatchiks were.

  115. Andrew

    As mentioned, Andrew, due to your good work, the MSM picked up the Melbourne University Students Union story:

    Yeah, I am quite happy about that but it was one of my mates who got the Herald Sun onto it. I also emailed quite a few media outlets to let them know.

    And here are your student uni people. I have no idea who voted for the motion, but it’s still a very interesting site.Did you know that staring at someone is sexual harassment?Andrew, you really need to introduce some of your classmates to the wonderful world of the Cat. Especially the females. My goodness life is so hard for first world people when they have to worry about people, like, looking at them.

    I am only just new to University so I am only just being introduced to the people but the President of the Union is an Emily’s List member and the Secretary is supposed to be a complete retard. All the people in the pictures are from the far-left wing student union ticket called ‘Activate’. The aforementioned two are the only ones I have seen and know of. Tbh, I have no desire being remotely involved with the Student Union. I know some people run for positions within the Liberal Club in the union, even though they hate it, but I simply could never do it.

    Last year they did not want to spend $200 on a wreath for ANZAC Day yet spent over $10,000 on some fruit costumes for Orientation week and another couple of thousand dollars on some sex toy service.

  116. So what, Tom? You’re not very good with English, perhaps, but I can tell you that the sentence is not a statement that one can say certainly means “all housewives are prostitutes”.

  117. Andrew

    The University of Melbourne Student Union Student Council voted:

    For: 5 (five)
    Against: 3 (three)
    Abstentions: 4 (four)

    This indicates that 6 of the eighteen councillors were absent. The minutes of the meeting (when posted) will indicate which were the fence-sitters and who the hate-filled apparatchiks were.

    Yes, I know 4 councillors are the Liberal candidates so some of them must of been absent. I know two of them were present which means 1 other person must have voted

  118. Pickles

    One out of three is a start at least Andrew. Infiltrate. We need you to become as one with them. No, not the Liberal Club either.

  119. Andrew

    Pickles, I can find out for sure tomorrow night who did and did not vote for it. I will post the names up if I can them off the person.

  120. Brian of Moorabbin

    As an aside, do you even realise the contradiction in your reasoning? You tout the uncertainty about the system, but then cite the lack of one-to-one correlation as somehow disproving AGW. That’s not coherent.

    Not so Jarrah.

    The whole theory of AGW is that CO2 is the primary driver for the warming of the planet. That is what the models are predicated on; that increasing CO2 is the cause of the rising temperature across the globe.

    The ‘climate models’ are set up under such supposition, and fail to take into account of other drivers (radiation from the sun, for example); those factors are ‘weighted out’ of the calculations, leaving only CO2 as the thing being being measured as affecting global climate.

    However the evidence is that CO2 levels are rising on a yearly basis, yet the temperature has remained (within tolerances) stable.

  121. Andrew

    Anyone who lives in Melbourne should listen to 3AW tomorrow morning for more about the vote. It shall get interesting.

  122. Jarrah

    “the sentence is not a statement that one can say certainly means “all housewives are prostitutes””

    It seems to be saying some women become wives for purposes analogous to prostitution.

  123. Brian of Moorabbin

    Steve, it seems to me you are saying that because it is possible that other people wrote various parts of Margaret Thatcher’s book (based on extrapolation that she used a lot of speechwriters for other things) that her recanting of AGW is invalid…

    … but that a speech she made supporting AGW (that may well have been written by a speechwriter) is kosher?

  124. Tom

    Thatcher was a real feminist:

    Connotatively, a ‘‘feminist’’ has a chip on her shoulder the size of a two-by-four, never shuts up about ‘‘empowerment,’’ is eternally on the look out for sexist slights, and never considers the possibility that other people might deny her a job or dismiss her opinions because she is personally insufferable. The movement has often obsessed with language, leaving a legacy of awkward ‘‘him/her’’ constructions or faddish but equally sexist Bibles whose God is a ‘‘she.’’

    Given the humorless blah-blah-blah the term feminist evokes, it’s little wonder that many young women today avoid the label. Margaret Thatcher was a real feminist. Not for what she said but for what she did. She did not pursue justice for her gender; women’s rights per se was clearly a low priority for her. She was out for herself and for what she believed in.

    If we had more feminists like Thatcher, we’d have vastly more women in Parliament and the US Senate, as well as more trees and fewer tedious television talk shows. More ‘‘feminists’’ like Thatcher, the first woman to lead a major Western democracy, and young women would be clamouring to be called one, too.

  125. Jarrah

    “The ‘climate models’ are set up under such supposition, and fail to take into account of other drivers (radiation from the sun, for example); those factors are ‘weighted out’ of the calculations, leaving only CO2 as the thing being being measured as affecting global climate.”

    No, I don’t think so. But if you have information to the contrary, I’m happy to listen.

    “However the evidence is that CO2 levels are rising on a yearly basis, yet the average surface air temperature has remained (within tolerances) stable.”

    FTFY. Other measures of increasing warmth have not plateaued. I also note that my correction of your claim about goal-shifting has been conveniently ignored.

  126. Pickles

    Sorry Andrew I meant a coupla thousand on the sex toy service.

  127. Brian, at the height of her powers, she made several speeches and took action on the basis of complete acceptance that climate change due to AGW was coming and action to limit it was wise. It is implausible to doubt her personal conviction on the matter at that time.

    Later in life, at the same time her daughter became worried about her mental acumen, she recanted (not completely, by the sounds, but certainly took a different political view as to the appropriate response) in a book widely perceived to have been written with considerable assistance.

    It is quite plausible that a person with an anti AGW stance who had the task of helping Thatcher with the chapter could have influenced her views or their expression at a time such as that where she likely had a somewhat diminished ability to formulate her own views clearly.

    It is a matter of speculation that this may have happened, but it is not implausible speculation.

  128. Brian of Moorabbin

    a book widely perceived to have been written with considerable assistance

    One person is not “widely perceived”

    Methinks now it’s you who are exaggerating.

  129. JamesK

    Bob Carr on Lateline MT was okay sorta but she wasn’t great and she was a racist.

    Thank Bob – you nasty cretinous leftist

  130. The editor of The Economist: “there has been much speculation about who actually wrote “Statecraft.””

    He is likely to know more about this than you or me.

  131. Brian, by the way, you have done nothing to justify your over the top description of the importance of “Statecraft”. What, did you once read a review by Steyn and think that it must be absolutely right?

  132. Brian of Moorabbin

    I also note that my correction of your claim about goal-shifting has been conveniently ignored

    Actually I was about to write a response to that when I paused to respond to Steve.

    But since you are obviously keen, I’ll deal with it now.

    30 years has ALWAYS been the standard timeframe for climate trends to be distinguishable from variability in weather.

    30 years takes us back to 1983… or around the time the goalposts shifted from ‘Global Cooling’ to ‘Global Warming’.

    Add 15 years to 1983 and we get 1998… or right about the time that the various temperature records started plataeuing (trending within +/- tolerances) and no, not just air surface temps… ocean temps as measured by ARGO too.

    Add 15 years to 1998 and we get… 2013.

    So for half of the 30 year period we have (reletively) stable temperatures… which would appear to counter the previous 15 years of (slowly) rising temperatures…

    in other words, a naturally ocurring 30-year cycle completely in-line with previously observed cycles.

  133. Tom

    JamesK, I once thought your observation that all leftists are liars was an exaggeration. Thanks for putting me right, especially after observing the compulsive liar who hangs around here.

  134. Jarrah

    “or around the time the goalposts shifted from ‘Global Cooling’ to ‘Global Warming’.”

    LOL

  135. Brian of Moorabbin

    Don’t recall Steyn ever reviewing the book actually Steve.

    I have based my statement about on various statements and reviews that i have researched via Google.

    And, by the by, if you’re going to go down the “ah-ha you havent justifies your statement so you loose” route, I note that you still have not nominated a book which you believe is more influential than Maggie’s book…

  136. So for half of the 30 year period we have (reletively) stable temperatures… which would appear to counter the previous 15 years of (slowly) rising temperatures…

    No. What would counter the previous 15 years of warming would be 15 years of cooling.

    The planet is not cooling.

  137. Brian of Moorabbin

    LOL?

    Really?

    That’s your response?

  138. Brian of Moorabbin

    Nor is it warming Steve.

  139. Brian of Moorabbin

    Sadly Steve and Jarrah, I’ll have to take further discussion ‘on notice’ as I need to go get ready for another wonderful night on the graveyard shift (which I am due to start in a little over 40 minutes from now).

    Until tomorrow.. maintain the rage comrades

  140. I picked up a copy of the late Stephen Schneider’s book on his part in climate science at the Lifeline Bookfest last January, but haven’t read it yet. He was right there at the cooling/warming controversy, so it should be interesting.

  141. Tiny Dancer

    SfB. Did you steal the book?

  142. JC

    Stepford.

    The person who said this was right on the ball.

    You’re scared of life. You really are.

  143. JamesK

    Krugman NYT: Did Thatcher Turn Britain Around?

    For now, consider this a caution: if anyone tells you that Thatcher saved the British economy, you should ask why the results of that salvation took so very long to materialize.

    Short version: ‘I can’t say she did because I’ll look like a partisan moron but….’

  144. JamesK

    I can’t say she didn’t because I’ll look like a partisan moron..

  145. tbh

    Krugman is such a massive partisan troll. Yes, let’s consider what would have happened to the UK had Thatcher not been PM for those 11 years. Financial and social ruination, that’s what. Does he honestly think that if Labour had won that 1979 election everything would have been fine and dandy?

  146. Jarrah

    “LOL? Really? That’s your response?”

    It’s all such a false equivalence deserves.

    Hilariously, you didn’t even read the very first sentence of your link:

    Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth’s surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles.

    So, yeah. LOL.

  147. Andrew

    Here are the names of the Thatcher motion

    For:
    Annalivia Carli Hannan (Stand Up!/Labor Left)
    Patrick Alves (Left Action/Socialist Alliance)
    Belle O’Connor (Activate/’grassroots/independent’ left)
    Jess Evans (Activate/’grassroots/independent’ left)
    Maddee Clark (Activate/’grassroots/independent’ left)

    Abstain:
    Adam Galvin (Stand Up!/Labor Left)
    Hana Dalton (Stand Up!/Labor Left)
    Sarina Murray (Independent Media)

    Against:
    Matthew Lesh (NOW!/Liberal)
    Charles Cartney (NOW!/Liberal)
    James Duncan (NOW!/Liberal)

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    It seems to be saying some women become wives for purposes analogous to prostitution.

    Jarrah, I don’t particularly wish to further this sideline issue on this thread, but someone does need to point out that that the AUS motion that Julia Gillard was implicated in supporting actually used the word ‘love’ as well as ‘security’ and ‘house-keeping’ in one of its claimed ‘trade-offs’ for wives who engage in sexual activity with their husbands.

    I do not think prostitutes are much acquainted with receiving love from their clients, nor indeed with giving it to them in association with the financial purchase of their sexual services.

    The fact is that the AUS at that time followed an inhuman ideology that saw women within marriage as ‘purchased objects’ who should escape from the ‘transaction’ of marriage, preferably by lesbianism (in that International Year of the Lesbian).

    It seems that Ms. Gillard has maintained and consistently applied that ideology in her own life, and I suspect in her heart she would still vote the same way now on this AUS motion.

    To return to the topic of the thread: Margaret Thatcher showed us a very different, and much more realistic, form of feminism.

  149. “A lack of warming does not prove a lack of warming,” says Steve.

    Any hot summer
    must make us swallow foolish
    awarmists’ absurd

    conjecture that slight
    warming dooms us. Logic, for
    them is but a word.

    Remind them of all
    their faulty prophecies: “Our
    first, second and third

    reports,” they shriek, “missed
    that oceans have hidden warmth,
    but you’ve never heard

    a mistake from us!”
    Though covered in crap, such folk
    remain undeterred.

  150. It seems that Ms. Gillard has maintained and consistently applied that ideology in her own life, and I suspect in her heart she would still vote the same way now on this AUS motion.

    You’re talking bullshit Lizzie.

    Just bullshit.

  151. On the contrary, Lizzie has a valid point.
    What sort of mind ever votes for crap like that?
    A very twisted one, one that does not share the values decent people. This is indisputable.

  152. First point: do you know that she voted for it?

    Second point: the statement is ambiguous and out of full context.

    Third point: JC has been on here many times prattling about women who were lovers/spouses of his buddies cleaning them out after separation, and has called them “effectively prostitutes” for doing so. If JC can make silly exaggerated statements like that as a (allegedly) mature adult, then why would anyone fret over what Uni students argue about in sexual politics?

    Fourth point: Lizzie has no friggin’ idea of what is going on inside Guillard’s head in the matter of her mature views on marriage. She should admit that, and get back to organising the spending of her husband’s money. And Dancing! Dancing! Dancing!

  153. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    She should admit that, and get back to organising the spending of her husband’s money

    Fuck me, the irony-it burns.
    This from a man who sits on his computer for 17 hours a day while his wife goes to work.
    Fuckwit.

  154. Chuckleberry: you similarly have no idea of my domestic and work arrangements, which I chose to keep private, as do most people who comment on this blog.

    Your assumptions are, however, hopelessly wrong.

  155. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    as do most people who comment on this blog

    Clearly wrong Steve, lying once again.
    You know what I do for a living for starters.
    We also know that JC is a trader, JamesK is a Dr, Louis Hissink is in mining, Infidel Tiger is a bon vivant, Tom is an ex journo now consultant, Brian from Moorabbin is a copper, MK50 was in the military, Abu is in the foreign service, Dot is a Phd student, as is Jarrah I believe, Steve at the pub is a publican, numbers is a tool, Aliice is a soak and you Sir, are a liar.

  156. Infidel Tiger is a bon vivant

    that’s a career, is it?

    I would bet the majority who comment here over a week I do not know of their career or qualifications, or family situation re work etc.

    PS: a majority = “most”.

  157. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Your assumptions are, however, hopelessly wrong.

    And so are yours about me, Stevie boy. I have said it before: I think you are very inexperienced in matters of love and happiness. You have my sympathies.

    ——————–

    Now, gloves on: to the substantive debating points:

    First point: there is no record of Gillard’s objection to it. Plus she is unlikely to have maintained her position in student leadership in the early 1980’s if she had objected to such a dominant and central piece of the ideological apparatus concerning women at that time. Even in the 90’s in student politics marriage was seen as an ideological sin and being a LUG (Lesbian Until Graduation) had gained considerablly more traction.

    Second point: the statement is what it is, the choice of the wording is quite clear, it is embedded in the motion, and that motion was put to a vote: it is thus not out of context. This was a vote concerning prostitution, in which women as wives were included in the defining situation, and so was ‘love’ seen as part of a trade-off, which I have noted introduces a very different sub-text to the piece as well. What part of ‘context’ do you not understand, Stephen?

    Third point: JC may have his own views about certain women’s actions, but he is not putting them forward in a formal political motion for voting and he is a happily married man himself, as I am a happily married woman (albeit one subject to denigration from you Stephen because of this happiness). These student adults (playing at being children) were putting forward a motion that by text and sub-text aimed to redefine a woman’s relationship to marriage.

    Fourth point: Gillard’s behaviour in her own sexual relationships (with married men) speaks for her unchanged views (it is acceptable behaviour to disregard wives as women who have chosen the ‘wrong’ path in feminist life), as does her current relationship (consciously eschewing marriage and the appelation of ‘wife’).

  158. What bilge even unworthy of high school debating, Lizzie.

    Shorter Lizzie:

    1. no I don’t know if she voted for it. I reckon she did!

    2. I’ll pretend we have the full context of the policy voted on, even though we have precisely two sentences (and even they are separated by a “…”)

    3. Something about being happily married allows JC to call other women who have been in relationships “prostitutes”.

    4. I’ll pretend I’m inside Guillard’s head and understand how each relationship she has been in happened and ended and what she has felt about marriage at each point of her adulthood.

    5. Waah waah, you’re so mean about how happy I am. I’ll remind you again – I am very, very happy. Have I ever mentioned that before? And you’re unhappy. I read everyone’s mind! I have lessons in it in between jazz ballet, manicures and going to the travel agent.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Shorter Stephen:

    1. Ignore Gillard’s position at the time.

    2. Deny the motion was what it was.

    3. Get away with using ‘look-a-unicorn’ re JC.

    4. Excuse Gillard’s appalling personal behaviours.

    5. Pretend to know something about debating.

    Big fail on all five.

    Can’t argue with that.

  160. Aliice

    huckleberry chunkwort

    who has the longest name here who is nothing but fucking jerk and idiot says about me and sfb

    ‘Aliice is a soak and you Sir, are a liar.”

    Pardon me while I get very very rude and say “piss off”. WE know your type around here you one eyed intolerant lying jerk.
    You dont know anything about me and you dont know enough to call me a soak.
    Call me a bitch because thats all you deserve you low life.

  161. Aliice

    I have had a run in with you before Huckleberry Chuckup.
    You are one of the ones that get in here thinking you own the place and have a right to come in here and just spray insults a you please.

    I hope you can ci\op as good as you give fauckface.

    Grow a brain and get some manners (chuckup) and dont ever get in my face again or SFBs.

    We dont need your type around here.

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