Wednesday Forum: April 17, 2013

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  1. Jarrah

    “There is no difference, dumbo.”

    Right. Which is why your own link refers to a sentence of seven years and a separate non-parole period of four years.

    Your attempt to back up your error is with reference to media reports? Yeah, because they’re sooo reliable when it comes to legal matters.

    “You’re doing a law degree, right?”

    Right. Which is why it’s amusing to watch you try to argue this point with me.

    “Consider yourself beclowned by me for the 5000th time.”

    LOL

    “20 years at least of hard labour should have been the sentence.”

    It certainly shouldn’t have been 7.5 years. The maximum available to the judge was 25 years. Sidenote – I was agreeing with Gab about her reaction.

  2. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Comrade Dense and Red:

    After proving you wrong on several points in our last ‘discussion’…

    Ah, this one? 14 Apr 13 at 11:34 am on the 13 April open thread?

    Token you commented re Jarrah the Dense and Red:

    You know he will pluck out half a sentence from your work, deliberately misstate your meaning and obsessively drill down on that minor issue using emotive viewpoints as support until you give in from exhaustion.
    This is the same dishonest technique he uses in all his “arguments”.

    Using his own tactics against him shows a good example, per below (old open thread).

    Jarrah 9:55

    “Your limited cognitive ability still has not processed what deficits actually are.” …
    “You keep proving this point correct “The rate of increase in deficit growth has declined somewhat, nothing more.”

    No, I’ve just shown that you don’t know the difference between deficits and debt. That sentence of yours only makes sense if you replace ‘deficit’ with ‘debt’. You really are an ignorant fellow.

    … your English still hasn’t improved:
    Taunt: noun
    an insulting gibe or sarcasm; scornful reproach or challenge.
    Synonyms
    1. censure, upbraid, flout, insult.

    Is that clear? Mr Dense and Red ‘argues’ that deficit DOES NOT = debt as he regards them as quite different terms.

    Dense and Red ‘argues’ that taunt DOES = insult as they are synonyms.

    Pity that deficit and debt are also synonyms, isn’t it?

    deficits
    debts (noun)
    Synonyms:
    arrears, debits, debts, etc

    Rolled-gold humour, and a sterling example of Dense and Red’s standard lefty tactics.

    Hey, CL, consider your assessment of Dense Red chap proven. As is Token’s – the moron used teh same tactics here.

    But life is hard for him, CL. It’s so hard to learn anything when the poor leftard has the pea-sized intellect he does.

  3. Carpe Jugulum

    But numbers, why does Chicago which has very strict gun laws have such a high rate of gun deaths?

  4. sdfc

    If I was the parent Carpe I’d want to go to work with something nice and sharp.

  5. Jarrah

    “Spin this – the gun fatality rate in the US is about eight times the Australian rate, corrected for population.”

    Gun crime does not correlate to gun laws. It’s mostly about the culture. The war on drugs is the other major contributor to the proliferation of guns.

  6. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Poor Numbers the Racist is back.

    (Don’t mention guns, it scares him into unfortunate messes in his pants)

  7. Jarrah

    “Is that clear? Mr Dense and Red ‘argues’ that deficit DOES NOT = debt as he regards them as quite different terms.”

    As does everyone else. Except you, because you’re ignorant. Also stupid, but those are different terms 🙂

  8. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Dense red boy’s now showing his other ‘tactic’.

    Full two-year-old mode tanty, fingers in ears, eyes shut, screaming “I won! I won! I won!

    At least his tactics honestly reflect his maturity and intellect.

  9. sdfc

    Deficit doesn’t equal debt. Stocks and flows.

  10. Septimus

    Gab,

    Interested to find out their motive for bombing people.

    Absolutely. And whether they are part of something bigger and can name names, etc. Too late for one of them. Hopefully the cops et al won’t kill the other one too.

  11. Carpe Jugulum

    Gun crime does not correlate to gun laws. It’s mostly about the culture.

    I agree Jarrah. As i posted above Chicago is a prime example of this LA is another example.

    I don’t agree with the 2nd half of your statement, but that is what we do.

  12. Empire Strikes Back

    Chicago. Home to Al Capone and Richard Daley. There’s your answer.

  13. Carpe Jugulum

    If I was the parent Carpe I’d want to go to work with something nice and sharp.

    Really? I’d go for the blunt object that is a painful option myself, or Mr Pumpy with a load of bird shot.

    But thats just me.

    sdfc, you have too much compassion.

  14. sdfc

    That’ me Carpe I’m a lefty, all compassion.

  15. Carpe Jugulum

    That’ me Carpe I’m a lefty, all compassion.

    lol

  16. blogstrop

    As an intro, a brief paraphrase of Hopkins’ Windhover:

    I caught this morning morning’s munchkin,
    Kingdom of daylight’s dufus,
    Dribble-dawn-drawn feline,
    In her deriding …

    And then, to try and paraphrase (where’s the actual transcript?) what Fran & Michelle had to say about the forthcoming COAG-Gonski meeting today, and I’ll highlight the punchlines.

    Fran: You’d have to wonder why the States wouldn’t sign on for the extra money.
    Michelle: They have to contribute money too, and they don’t have any. As well, states do have their own responsibilities re education and will resist federal takeovers.
    Fran: It will look bad for the PM if she can’t pull this off.
    Michelle: Yes, generally “education” plays well for Labor, but failure to achieve this won’t help the impression that they are sadly lacking in policy implementation.
    Fran: But surely that hasn’t been the reputation of this PM, hailed as The Great Negotiator.
    Michelle: At this point the government is seen as somewhat dysfunctional…

  17. C.L.

    Right. Which is why your own link refers to a sentence of seven years and a separate non-parole period of four years.

    It’s the same sentence, dumbo. The man was sentenced to a non-parole period of four years – as I wrote (and as the ABC correctly reported).

    You always do this. Your left-wing anger sends you off on a ‘get CL’ mission and you end up being beclowned. And always the phony libertarian mask falls away in the process.

    In this example, you actually didn’t read my comment – which was correct.

    So I have beclowned you AGAIN.

    There is no recovery – no bullshit, no ‘LOLs’, no smilies.

    You’re done. Caught lying again.

  18. Carpe Jugulum

    That’s enough for one night.

    Until the morrow troops.

    Be good & stay safe.

  19. C.L.

    Your attempt to back up your error is with reference to media reports? Yeah, because they’re sooo reliable when it comes to legal matters.

    Note that Jarrah air-brushes and quote-doctors what my link was:

    A person is sentenced to a non-parole period – as these media, parliamentary, judicial commission and High Court links demonstrate.

    You appalling clown.

  20. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Target hit and burning brightly, CL.

    And speaking of targets, early start at the range tomorrow, and so good night.

  21. Jarrah

    “It’s the same sentence, dumbo.”

    The sentence is 7.5 years. That’s not the same as a non-parole period, dumbo. How many times are you going to beclown yourself?

    “as I wrote (and as the ABC correctly reported).”

    No, you looked at 7.5 years and 4 years and though, ‘How can I spin this to look as bad as possible?’, and chose to mistakenly call it a ‘sentence’ of 4 years. That’s plainly wrong.

    Of course you throw in ‘left-wing’, even though the case nothing to do with politics, and you know nothing about the judge. Are light sentences ‘left-wing’ now? How bizarre.

  22. Jarrah

    “I don’t agree with the 2nd half of your statement, but that is what we do.”

    Why not? Making drugs illegal makes them profitable, but also separates them from legal recourse, meaning violence is the only enforcement. That means gangs, guns, and murders.

    The best thing the US could do to reduce its shameful gun death statistics would be to abandon the failed war on drugs.

  23. sdfc

    Come on Jarrah a four year non-parole period is a joke.

  24. nilk

    I’m thinking it might be time to consider getting a serious meat slicer.

    How else to make the most tempting roast beef sangas?

  25. JC

    Others are now recognizing this tit on a bull.

    Barack Obama is a lame-duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama’s difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?

    Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.

  26. Jarrah

    “Come on Jarrah a four year non-parole period is a joke.”

    Yes, I agree. That’s what my first comment said.

  27. John Mc

    The best thing the US could do to reduce its shameful gun death statistics would be to abandon the failed war on drugs.

    Yep, that’s pretty much it (except the ‘shameful’ part, you’d need to get near road deaths or medical accidents to make it shameful).

    All things being equal their murder rate might well be lower than Australia’s if you removed drug culture deaths (but probably still not lower than the UK, I admit).

  28. John Mc

    Not to mention making a healthy step towards balancing the budget. Enforcing that shit costs a lot of money.

  29. Aliice

    Actually Jc

    I donnt think you have Obama’s personality right. Obama has a very smooth personality (Id say its probably his great strength – he looks like a baby face and not like someone to lose his temper ie stays cool – he isnt old – never ignore marketing and image)

    Thats a plus.

  30. sdfc

    The president is stifled by the congress. The congress is stilfed by hte president. What a fucked system.

    Take note you advocates of directky elected head of state.

  31. Aliice

    They voted for the vguy twice JC.

  32. John Mc

    The president is stifled by the congress. The congress is stilfed by hte president. What a fucked great system.

    There. FTFY.

  33. sdfc

    Jarrah

    I know. What is your point?

  34. JC

    The president is stifled by the congress. The congress is stilfed by hte president. What a fucked system.

    Take note you advocates of directky elected head of state.

    Yea I do take note. C..t Conroy’s media opponents muzzling bill would have seen him laughed out of Congress.

    There’s nothing wrong with the system. It’s spending culture and the voters electing a bulls tit for a prez. Luckily the system has basically made him more of a neutered beta.

  35. C.L.

    The sentence is 7.5 years. That’s not the same as a non-parole period, dumbo.

    Right.

    They’re teaching you something at Moonee Ponds TAFE.

    He was sentenced to a non-parole period of FOUR years.

    As I wrote.

    Correctly.

    Your bumbling self-beclownment:

    “It was a 7.5-year sentence (remember, you can’t trust a single thing CL ever writes will be accurate).”

    The reason you launched yet another ill-fated debacle of an intervention was that you were angry at my description of Australia’s left-wing justice system – because you yourself are a notorious left-winger.

  36. Brian of Moorabbin

    Maybe this was discussed in another thread and I missed it, but until today I couldn’t believe that the ALP/Green government in Tasmania was this stupid:

    “Proposed changes contained in the Reproductive Health (Access to Terminations) Bill 2013 threaten freedom of speech and freedom of conscience,” said Simon Breheny, director of the Legal Rights Project at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

    The bill has passed the Tasmanian House of Assembly and is now set to be debated by the Tasmanian Legislative Council.

    The bill proposes a fine of $65,000 or a 12 month jail term for the newly created crime of protesting in an area within a radius of 150 metres from an abortion clinic. This is an inappropriate limitation on freedom of speech.

    As Mr Breheny goes onto note, we already have strong laws against intimidation, and the creation of this offence is indeed a violation of freedom of speech.

    How long before they decide that holding a protest against an inept government on the steps of Parliament House is also verboten?

  37. Jarrah

    “Jarrah I know.”

    So why the ‘come on’?

    “What is your point?”

    My point was that I agree the sentence was far too light. Within that point, I pointed out why no-one should trust CL’s characterisation of any subject, as shown by how his own link showed he was wrong (again). A PSA, if you will. Some here are far too gullible.

  38. steve from brisbane

    Ooh. The roulette wheel of the game of “what motivated the Boston bombers” spins on, with the ball now hitting:

    The Associated Press has reported that the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings are brothers from Chechnya.

  39. John Mc

    Barry’s approval rating is permanently close to 50% and sometimes touches it.

    The Democraps consistently lead by 1-5% in the generic Congressional vote (according to RCP).

    I cannot understand why, but it’s quite an impressive effort from the American left.

  40. JC

    They voted for the vguy twice JC.

    Which is what I said.

  41. m0nty

    Watertown: Two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing – identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya – killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left one of them dead and another still at large Friday, authorities said.

    A law enforcement intelligence bulletin obtained by the AP identified the surviving bomb suspect as 19-year-old Dzhokhar A Tsarnaev of Cambridge, Massachussets.

    Two law enforcement officials told AP that Tsarnaev and the other suspect who was not immediately identified have been living legally in the US for at least one year.

    Russia’s North Caucasus region has been plagued by an Islamic insurgency stemming from separatist wars in Chechnya.

    What the what.

    I thought they looked white.

  42. dover_beach

    No, you looked at 7.5 years and 4 years and though, ‘How can I spin this to look as bad as possible?’, and chose to mistakenly call it a ‘sentence’ of 4 years. That’s plainly wrong.

    What CL said:

    Man given non-parole sentence of four years for stealing, then raping a two year-old girl on shopping centre’s toilet floor.

    Jarrah, any fair-minded person reading that would interpret it simply as meaning a minimum term of 4 years, not as a maximum term. And even if you want to make a big deal of the substitution of ‘period’ for ‘sentence’, given that the sentence here is a term or period of imprisonment, substituting ‘period’ for ‘sentence’ where it remains qualified by ‘non-parole’ doesn’t change the meaning of the sentence at all.

    Your conduct here is just bizarre.

  43. Jarrah

    “Right.”

    Amazing! CL admits his error! One for the history books.

    “He was sentenced to a non-parole period of FOUR years.”

    No. Stick to your ivory tower, CL, and the subjects within which you have an inkling of a clue.

    A sentence can be divided into non-parole and parole periods. It’s as simple as that.

    “my description of Australia’s left-wing justice system”

    How is it left-wing? Go on, entertain us.

  44. JC

    John Mc.

    It’s pretty rare presidents get turfed out of office after one term if they choose to run. I wouldn’t put too much stock into it.

    The GOP has had a good run with the presidency.

  45. steve from brisbane

    If understanding what Boston was about involves understanding the Chechen conflict, I’ve got no hope…

  46. Jarrah

    “given that the sentence here is a term or period of imprisonment”

    This is wrong. A sentence is a punishment, and can include incarceration or not, or both.

  47. Gab

    Update from Blair:

    Citing official sources, NBC News has reported that they are from “overseas” and may have been in the U.S. for more than a year. NBC also reports that they may have had military training.

    As for where they’re from NBC’s Pete Williams reports that they may be from Turkey or are Chechen refugees who came through Turkey.

    UPDATE II. Associated Press:

    BREAKING: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

  48. John Mc

    I thought they looked white.

    In your fantasies I’m sure they were blonde, blue-eyed, white supremacists.

  49. JC

    If understanding what Boston was about involves understanding the Chechen conflict, I’ve got no hope…

    Well it’s not, you fucking moron. It looks more and more like a typical muzzo operation. Kill a lot of innocent people and then try to claim the 72 virgins.

    I hope they find that last fucker and get him alive. I’m even not sure I’d like to see him face a lethal injection as the rest of his life in maxi prison sounds good.

  50. C.L.

    Amazing! CL admits his error!

    LOL. The old Fatfingers’ false admission tactic (with exclamation marks).

    There was no error from me.

    I correctly said the man was sentenced to a non-parole period of four years.

    You then (hilariously) claimed that wasn’t a sentence.

    ——————–

    Jarrah, please apologise for:

    a) falsely claiming I was wrong;
    b) quote-doctoring my links post;
    c) dishonestly reframing the issue to save face.
    d) running interference for a child molester.

  51. twostix

    THIS MORNING FEDERAL OFFICIALS RELEASED THE NAMES OF THE TERRORISTS—-

    The two bombers are brothers from Chechnya.
    Surviving Boston bomb suspect #2 is identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    They have been in the US for over a year.
    They reportedly have foreign training.

    By tomorrow morning it will be French transvestites on a gambling weekend gone wrong.

  52. steve from brisbane

    Mk50, can you plagarise an article on Chechnya for us, so we’re all reminded what that was about?

  53. Dan

    the failed war on drugs.

    Prohibition gave us Elliot Ness, Al Capone and Las Vegas.

    The war on drugs has given us George Bush, Oliver North, school yard dealers and the happy chaps of Los Zetas who have enough spare change to buy a small country.

  54. Gab

    Actually, SFB I’ve been checking some of your comments and let me just say you are on thin ice.

  55. C.L.

    Your conduct here is just bizarre.

    Only to the uninitiated.

    Jarrah (writing under his former nom de wrong), once engaged with me for hours (maybe it was days) arguing that life doesn’t begin at conception.

    I posted the obvious evidence from about 30 medical textbooks but being wrong only makes him more and more angry – as well as more and more bizarre.

  56. JC

    And you know, when are people in the West going to have a serious discussion about restricting movement from muzzo countries?

    In leftie speak, isn’t this a discussion we really have to have?

  57. steve from brisbane

    You probably misunderstood something I said, Gab.

  58. dover_beach

    given that the sentence here is a term or period of imprisonment”

    This is wrong. A sentence is a punishment, and can include incarceration or not, or both.

    No, it is not wrong. What do you think the words ‘given’ and ‘here’ indicate in the above sentence? You need to stop digging here.

  59. John Mc

    And you know, when are people in the West going to have a serious discussion about restricting movement from muzzo countries?

    People who are granted citizenship into a country should have a majority, or even super-majority, agreement from the existing citizens.

  60. sdfc

    You have to be ten shades of stupid to think Jarrah is a left-winger.

  61. Gab

    Can anyone here read Russian 9I think it’s Russian). This is the surviving bomber’s facebook equivalent page

  62. candy

    “Actually, SFB I’ve been checking some of your comments and let me just say you are on thin ice.”

    Gab Our Steve appears to have thrown off his nice gentlemanly personna and is attacking everyone left right and centre.

  63. Gab

    You probably misunderstood something I said, Gab.

    google doesn’t “misunderstand”, SFB 🙂

  64. John Mc

    If there was ever an acceptable definition of ‘left-libertarian’ Jarrah is probably it.

    (Of course, being left-libertarian he’s wrong on a number of points!)

  65. Fisky

    Oh Jesus, if this about Chechnya then we’ll never get to the bottom of it. No one has a f-cking clue what goes on in that part of the world. Putin’s methodology was to flatten the place, deporrt most of the population, and elect a new puppet every few years.

  66. sdfc

    Apologised for labelling an athlete a terrist JC?

  67. John Mc

    Gab, the words ‘Steve’ (as in SfB) and ‘gentleman’ don’t belong in the same sentence.

  68. Jarrah

    “false admission tactic”

    False? You said “right” to my statement:

    The sentence is 7.5 years. That’s not the same as a non-parole period, dumbo.

    Why do you have such a hard time admitting you were wrong?

    “I correctly said the man was sentenced to a non-parole period of four years.”

    That’s incorrect. A non-parole period can only ever be part of a sentence, by definition. You are totally and completely wrong here, no ifs or buts.

    I really don’t know why you’re drawing attention to your self-beclowning, but by all means, have at it.

    “once engaged with me for hours (maybe it was days) arguing that life doesn’t begin at conception.”

    Lies. Remember folks, anything CL says can’t be trusted. As this latest episode shows, but should be common knowledge.

  69. sdfc

    How is Jarrah a leftist John?

  70. steve from brisbane

    Oh, you’re accusing me of plagiarism?

    Yeah, I’m shaking in my boots…

  71. C.L.

    So on Obama’s watch American sovereign territory has been invaded, resulting in the horrific massacre of an ambassador and now casually infiltrated by Muslim terrorists. And while these enormities were in the pipeline, Obama’s TSA has been sexually assaulting children and strip-searching wheelchair-bound grandmothers.

    Almost indescribable fail.

    This is what you get for electing a suburban alderman to the presidency.

  72. Infidel Tiger

    Oh Jesus, if this about Chechnya then we’ll never get to the bottom of it. No one has a f-cking clue what goes on in that part of the world.

    Not really. Under your own doctrine members of the left can not assemble in public spaces, so this kind of transgression would never occur.

  73. C.L.

    You have to be ten shades of stupid to think Jarrah is a left-winger.

    LOL. He’s to the left of Jim Cairns.

  74. JC

    SDFC

    Not for nothing but you have more than a few times have said you aren’t a leftwinger.

    You honestly think that people at this site don’t see the bullshit for the trees?

    That’s what I find so offensive about leftwingers pretending they aren’t leftwing. You take us for idiots when we’re not.

    The site has the best Hi Alan detector in the entire blogosphere. We can smell leftwing bullshit from 100 miles upwind, you idiot.

  75. John Mc

    How is Jarrah a leftist John?

    There are a number of issues where he doesn’t believe the individual is paramount.

  76. Eddystone

    @eddystone
    That “study” comes up frequently because it’s spin, and the gun lobby has nothing else. They’re still using it 15 years after it was published.
    Spin this – the gun fatality rate in the US is about eight times the Australian rate, corrected for population.
    It’s a whole lot less “startling” (but completely true) to point out that countries with a high proportion of guns in circulation have the highest rate of gun fatalities (whether suicide, homicide or accidental).
    Only the gun wankers can deny this very simple and basic correlation.
    More guns mean more gun deaths.

    1735099

    19 Apr 13 at 8:08 pm

    You asked for one comprehensive study, I gave you one, now you want another?

    Let’s face it, I could give you fifty, and you’d still want one more.

    There’s tons of work by Gary Mauser, Gary Kleck, Don Kates, John Lott, David Kopel that shows strict gun control is ineffective except to reduce firearm ownership by law abiding citizens (but of course, that is the primary purpose of gun control).

    The Lott study, “More guns, less crime”, is thoroughly up to date, having been updated with the most recent data, and his conclusions still hold.

    Far from “spin”, it is the most comprehensive study on the effect of shall issue laws on crime rates that has ever been done. Anyone who dismisses it as spin, at a guess without having read it, is simply dishonest and not worth arguing with.

    Having requested a comprehensive study showing that being armed protects against violent crime, and dismissing it out of hand when shown one, I notice you have shifted to the well worn “more guns mean more gun deaths” mantra. (Well you obviously have no coherent argument or empirical data to use.)

    I certainly don’t dispute that the more guns there are, the more likely there are to be gun deaths.

    But are overall violent deaths and especially murder rates correlated to numbers of firearms?

    While some researchers say they are, the fact is that violent crime is decreasing in the US, yet firearm numbers have skyrocketed. Comparison between countries also indicates no correlation between the numbers of legally available firearms and violence.

  77. Jarrah

    “There are a number of issues where he doesn’t believe the individual is paramount.”

    News flash, John Mc – that describes rightists as well.

  78. C.L.

    Jarrah now breaking out the italics.

    If the smilies are broken out, you’ll really know he’s livid.

    Hey, Jarrah – explain to everyone why you quote-doctored my link to ignore parliamentary, judicial commission and High Court material using the exact phraseology I used – correctly.

    Gee, I wonder why you did that.

    Now, once again…

    Please apologise for:

    a) falsely claiming I was wrong;
    b) quote-doctoring my links post;
    c) dishonestly reframing the issue to save face.
    d) running interference for a child molester.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Apologised for labelling an athlete a terrist JC?

    Terrists are those French wine snobs right?

  80. sdfc

    I have never said I am not a left winger JC.

  81. JC

    Fuuuccckkkk

    Spain is an example here; more than 95% of their pension funds are invested in Spanish Sovereign debt…..

    There’s one welfare state gonsky.

    You know people seem to focus on the US GFC thinking that’s the big whale, but it’s really not. The European debt crisis and the unraveling of the welfare state is.

  82. C.L.

    Jarrah, do you still blame Bush?

    You know, like you used to.

    I mean, for everything.

  83. JC

    I have never said I am not a left winger JC.

    Yea you have. You’ve frequently claimed you’re a centrist. Pull other fucking leg.

  84. John Mc

    News flash, John Mc – that describes rightists as well.

    It’s hardly a news flash. That’s conservatives. They’re just a lot more tolerable and rational bunch of collectivists than leftists. Not to mention they generally support a awful lot more ‘individual rights and responsibility’.

  85. JC

    Apologised for labelling an athlete a terrist JC?

    Who? Who did I label as a terrist?

  86. Gab

    “Whom did I label a terrist?”

  87. sdfc

    The guy whose photo you put up yesterday.

  88. sdfc

    jarrah is not a lefty John.

  89. JC

    Gab

    Yes I know….But using whom instead of who always reminds me of Wodger-the-leftie who used to pretend here that he was some sort of intellect. I just can’t do it.

    The indefatigable moron once corrected CL about using an apostrophe and ended up fucking it up.

  90. Gab

    JC, I was just stirring. 🙂

  91. John Mc

    jarrah is not a lefty John.

    He’s a libertarian. Just a ‘left-libertarian’.

  92. sdfc

    What’s a left libertarian?

  93. JC

    The guy whose photo you put up yesterday.

    You lying dishonest drunk.

    I added that the only way we would know is if he quickly presented himself to the cops to clear his name over the next 24 hours, which he did.

  94. steve from brisbane

    News conference by Boston governor on ABC 24 now.

  95. Gab

    What’s a left libertarian?

    A Marxist in drag.

  96. JC

    Oops

    That should read

    You lying, dishonest filthy drunkard.

  97. John Mc

    What’s a left libertarian?

    See above.

  98. sdfc

    So you put his photo up because you thought he might be innocent? Got it.

  99. sdfc

    Okay I get it John. A left libertarian is a righty you don’t agree with.

  100. JC

    Isn’t it great we have our two leftie puppies, Fat boy and Partridge giving us up to the minute news bulletins.

    We have them well trained to serve their masters. It’s one of the endearing things about the Cat. Lefties wanting to please and serve us.

  101. sdfc

    I’m not fat at all JC.

  102. Cold-Hands

    Now that the FBI has officially named a suspect, and the suspect has documented links to Islamist sites, I think the Right-wing extremists meme will be quietly consigned to the memory hole.

  103. Gab

    God, I hope the f***er doesn’t get away. Cops still haven’t got him.

  104. Infidel Tiger

    After right wing extremists blew up the Boston Marathon I could understand if Jarrah didn’t want to be viewed as of “the right”. I myself am shamed.

  105. dover_beach

    A non-parole period can only ever be part of a sentence, by definition. You are totally and completely wrong here, no ifs or buts.

    And yet much earlier you say:

    Which is why your own link refers to a sentence of seven years and a separate non-parole period of four years.

    (Emphasis, your own.)

    Jarrah, which is it? Are they a part of the same whole, or are they separate? BTW, you also mischaracterise the said link; it never mentions a separate non-parole period.

  106. JC

    So you put his photo up because you thought he might be innocent? Got it.

    No dick features, I put his pic up because the Boston Globe stuck it on their picture site as a person of interest.

    You jackal SDFC. I linked to a news site.

  107. steve from brisbane

    did I say Boston Governor? Whoops.

    Finished already.

    Sounds like a huge part of the city is simply not going to leave the house today.

  108. JC

    I’m not fat at all JC.

    And I suggested you were, where exactly?

    Are you sort of admitting something we need to know, by not admitting?

  109. sdfc

    So the muzzo comment was ill conceived

  110. Gab

    So the muzzo comment was ill conceived

    Yes, yes sdfc because Chechens are all Christians 🙄

  111. sdfc

    No I’m around 188 cm and 87kg last time I weighed myself. I wouldn’t want to lose anymore weight.

  112. Gab

    Actually they’re all TEA Partiers too, sdfc

  113. sdfc

    Was the athlete a Chechen Gab?

  114. Gab

    No I’m around 188 cm and 87kg last time I weighed myself. I wouldn’t want to lose anymore weight.

    JC was not directing the comment at you, sdfc. Not every comment here is about you.

  115. sdfc

    Really Gab. Wow you are perceptive.

  116. JC

    SDFC

    You do understand that I was doing what people like Fatboy did earlier where he posted a news bulletin naming the suspect.

    You idiot.

    So the muzzo comment was ill conceived

    No. Fuck’em. They’re too much fucking trouble and are costing us an arm and leg having to spend vast sums of money in an attempt to stop some of them blowing us up.

    Yes I appreciate their riskier brothers amount to around 5% with another 25% sympathetic to them. We don’t have the resources or the need in trying to figure out the good from the bad. Ban them all until they learn how to behave properly and not like animals.

  117. JC

    You know, how the fuck were those two termites allowed into the US?

  118. sdfc

    JC

    There are millions of decent muslims.

  119. What’s a left libertarian?

    Someone who thinks Libertarianism means less restraint rather than more.

  120. JC

    JC

    There are millions of decent muslims.

    Which is what I said you uncomprehending goon.

    There are billions of decent muzzos who would not hurt a fly. However there are millions of muzzos who would.

    Tell us how you would work out the good from the turds, genius.

  121. C.L.

    Hey lefties, would you say Obama’s frisking grandma strategy at airports has worked? Yes or no?

  122. Gab

    oooooooh. Julia was vewy vewy angwy on a clip shown on ABC24in the COAG meet. Quite aggressive actually, but I guess that’s okay for her becuase she’s female.

  123. Andreas

    Some revealing quotes from Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the deceased bomber:

    Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.

    Tamerlan says he doesn’t usually take his shirt off so girls don’t get bad ideas: “I’m very religious.”

    Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

    Tamerlab says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian girlfriend and converted to Islam: “She’s beautiful, man!”

    I don’t think these bombs had much to do with Chechnya.

    (Source)

  124. Cold-Hands

    Can anyone here read Russian 9I think it’s Russian)
    If you use Chrome as your browser, it offers to translate foreign language websites. It’s machine translation so don’t expect nuance or accuracy but at least you can decipher cyrillic and identify nouns and names. Running Tsarnaev’s VK site tells us that his “worldview: Islam” and that he has “Salamworld: my religion Islam”, the VK Islamic page and “ILyaha `la` illa-Llah-let sounds in our hearts “… And do good, for Allah loves those who do good.” (Qur’an 2-195)” as three of the five “noteworthy pages” (the equivalent of “Liked” I suppose).

  125. C.L.

    One thing I would like a real lawyer to explain: how can Rolf Harris be “bailed to appear in court” when he hasn’t been charged with anything?

  126. John Mc

    So a militant Protestant, then?

    Suspected as much.

  127. C.L.

    Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

    He sounds exactly like Australia’s Roxonian/Presbyterian left.

  128. Gab

    Thanks for all that, CH. My bad, I should have been more specific. There’s a video wherein the bomber is talking in Russian. I was hoping someone could translate that.

  129. steve from brisbane

    “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

    Sounds like you talking about gay marriage and anal sex, CL.

  130. John Mc

    Do you think these guys should be given some leniency in certain aspects, ShitFer?

  131. steve from brisbane

    And also how the world has gone to hell in a handbasket because of the pill…

  132. John Mc

    Taking it up the back door can’t get you pregnant, ShitFer. Don’t worry about it.

  133. Fisky

    An interesting point from Lion of the Blogosphere –

    The left is probably pretty unhappy about the Boston bombings. Every media outlet has labeled the act as one of “terrorism,” so when a Muslim is caught, it will become “Muslim terrorism,” which scares the bejesus out of leftists, not because they fear personally for their lives, but because attacks against us from non-Americans causes feeling of nationalism, and one of the left’s main goals is to suppress feelings of nationalism, because they lead to immigration restriction and a strong foreign policy. The goal of leftists is to weaken the United States because they think it’s unfair that the United States is richer and more powerful than all other nations. They want to equalize the nations.

  134. Gab, apart from having a liking for Islam, Tsarnaev’s only comment worth noting was a Caucasian riddle of sorts:

    Q.: If a Dagestani, a Chechen and an Ingush are sitting in a car, who’s driving?
    A.: A policeman.

    People are confused because the alleged bomber not only white but Caucasian and muslim.

  135. C.L.

    Steve’s on the other thread arguing passionately that “people can’t control themselves” and must be punished by the government.

    The left’s simpatico with Islamism is quite astonishing.

  136. Fisky

    The deceased older brother was named after a Muslim imperialist. From Steve Sailer –

    Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.[13] Unlike his predecessors Timur was also a devout Muslim who referred to himself as the Sword of Islam, converting nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime.[14] His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. … Timur’s armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe,[16] sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

  137. jupes

    There are millions of decent muslims.

    Every single Muslim reveres Mohammad.

    Mohammad had sex with a nine year old girl.

    Mohammad had slaves.

    Mohammad had women stoned to death for adultary.

    Mohammad murdered Jews.

  138. Cold-Hands

    Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.

    I can’t help thinking that by accepting so many asylum seekers that ASIO is unable to process them in a timely manner that we are importing similar trouble down the track. When news of this is assimilated by the Australian electorate, the call to stop the boats will become deafening. TLS said it herself: “another boat, another policy failure”.

  139. nilk

    A man molested a boy and the judge took into account the fact that he was the sole full-time carer of his ill wife?

    WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with anything?

    It shows that he cares, CL. Get with the program – it only took 25 years for complaints to be made against him, and he’s been an almost sterling citizen ever since, with only a small record to his name.

    Besides, who will care for his ill wife?

  140. John Mc

    causes feeling of nationalism, and one of the left’s main goals is to suppress feelings of nationalism, because they lead to immigration restriction and a strong foreign policy.

    It leads to good people having feelings of pride in themselves and their nation.

    And people shouldn’t be allowed to feel pride, because it can come from things like hard work and productive achievement. If we encourage those things, how are we ever going to wear people down to the point where they’ll consider left-wing propaganda?

  141. Gab

    Deadman, I translated comments on the page but
    Here’s the link to his video.

  142. steve from brisbane

    Oh. Because I think taxing tobacco to discourage use is a moral and practical thing to do, I’m “simpatico” with Muslim terrorists.

    Makes sense….

  143. Fisky

    People are confused because the alleged bomber not only white but Caucasian and muslim.

    That’s one of the Left’s excuses for stripping naked old grannies at the airport instead of zeroing in on Arab males, ‘What about all the white, blue-eyed Muslim terrorists?’.

    Right now they might even have a point, but somehow I don’t think the Left will be in any mood for amplifying this particular terrorist atrocity for political purposes.

  144. C.L.

    No takers so I’ll try again:

    Hey lefties, would you say Obama’s frisking grandma strategy at airports has worked? Yes or no?

  145. Infidel Tiger

    Hey lefties, would you say Obama’s frisking grandma strategy at airports has worked? Yes or no?

    When did a grandmother last bomb a plane? It is doing a bang up job.

    I’m sure when the budget allows they will expand the program to include people of a faith who love to kill others. Until then let us remember that the grandma population have been kept under the thumb by the benevolent hand of government.

  146. Gab

    There are millions of decent muslims.

    Maybe.

    One place I thought shone was Mali. I guess other Muslim countries were like Mali in years gone by:

    Islam came to west Africa in the 11th century and remains the predominant religion in most countries in that region. An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim (mostly Sunni and Sufi), approximately 5% are Christian (about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant) and the remaining 5% adhere to indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.[81] Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians, most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.[67]

    The constitution establishes a secular state and provides for freedom of religion, and the government largely respects this right.[67]

    And then the Islamists took over as they have done in many places. Mali now:

    Islam as practiced in Mali before 2012 was moderate, tolerant, and adapted to local conditions; relations between Muslims and practitioners of minority religious faiths were generally amicable.[67] Since the 2012 imposition of sharia rule in northern parts of the country however, Mali was listed high (number 7) in the Christian persecution index published by Open Doors which described the persecution in the north as severe. [82][83]

  147. Cold-Hands

    The video seems to have been put up first some years ago by someone called “The Smart Armenian” and is entitled “Caucasian Accents” being

    Uploaded on Nov 7, 2011
    Armenian, Georgian, Dagestani, Chechen, Ossetian
    more bonus Ravshansky) and Kabardian with the mat) , and all the world of good! Enjoy!

    So it seems to be a video of a Caucasian imitating the accents common to the region that the bomber thought was funny and not a political manifesto or similar.

    At least one viewer seems to think it hilarious:

    Sasok bzdonsky 4 months ago
    Haha (vyiraya tears) Gorgeous))

  148. Whoever is in the video seems to be mocking various Caucasian accents with gibberish.

  149. steve from brisbane

    Presumably, Catallaxians won’t be happy until Muslims entering America have to a crescent tattooed on the forehead, for the sake of never having a grannie be traumatized by a 10 second pat down again.

  150. John Mc

    There is certain quality to the indigenous people of the Caucas regions. Remember a few years back when some Muzzie terrorists took a primary school in the region hostage, and the locals, accepting a dire situation, took the day off work to front up and take them out.

    It was just before the theatre in Russia was taken hostage (and subsequently taken out by the Russians).

  151. John Mc

    ShitFer, you need to familiarise yourself with the first words, of the First Amendment, of the Bill of Rights:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

  152. Andreas

    Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

    He sounds exactly like Australia’s Roxonian/Presbyterian left.

    It reminded me immediately of the words of Daniel Pipes:

    The appeal of fundamentalism grows most where Muslim societies [or indeed individuals] intensely experience modernization. … as the masses get caught up in modernizing, they try hard to preserve accustomed ways. Fundamentalism attracts them precisely because it promises to fend off Western influences and practices.

    The rise in Islamic fundamentalism is a visceral reaction against perceived Western decadence. Their own Islamic values tell them what they see around them is wrong, and so a percentage of Muslims are lead to reach for a pure form of Islam as a remedy.

    I see from those pictures that he drives a mercedes, so comparatively well off. Proves once again – as did the doctors who drove a car into Glasgow airport – that the problem is not a lack of education or opportunity. It is an intense reaction against an alien western civilisation that drives a percentage of them to a pure – and evil – form of Islam.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Steve wants law abiding gun owners to undergo background checks, but is happy for Muslims who have publicly murdered scores more Americans to walk around unhindered.

  154. m0nty

    Wingnuts, you need to familiarise yourself with the first words, of the First Amendment, of the Bill of Rights:

    TFTFY

  155. Gab

    Wingnuts

    LOL I think m8nty and SFB use this hackneyed term thinking they will offend people. It’s sooooo 2009. 🙂

  156. John Mc

    Yeah, because it’s right-wingers who keep ignoring the Bill of Rights and claiming it’s no longer relevant.

  157. You know, since the rise of our beloved Julia Gillard, Lord Obama and all the other awarmists, we could close down all fossil-fuelpower stations and supply all the world’s energy requirements, without needing to subsidise giant whirligigs and solar arrays, simply by burning all their strawmen.

  158. Rabz

    So, the Boston bombers turned out to be moozlies.

    I’m shocked, shocked, I tells ya!

  159. John Mc

    I reckon we should just use all the hot air they generate.

  160. Gab

    Wonder how our very own home-grown Lebanese terrorists are doing in Syria? (may they die in battle for the glory of Lebanon, or some shit like that).

  161. Infidel Tiger

    A horrible day for mOnty and Steve. How they hoped and prayed the bombers were Billy-Bob and Cletus Clampett from Kentucky.

  162. Andreas

    More confirmation: Boston Bombing Suspect Posted Video on Al Qaeda Prophecy on YouTube

    But, but, I thought all the experts agreed it was all the work of those evil right-wingers??

  163. m0nty

    Yeah, because it’s right-wingers who keep ignoring the Bill of Rights and claiming it’s no longer relevant.

    I’m delighted to hear that the bombers are Muslim. The Left can now be declared guilty by association and have their right to free speech taken away

    I can’t help thinking that by accepting so many asylum seekers that ASIO is unable to process them in a timely manner that we are importing similar trouble down the track. When news of this is assimilated by the Australian electorate, the call to stop the boats will become deafening.

  164. Fisky

    So, given what the Left were going to demand if the bombers had turned out to be white Tea Partiers (a ban on conservative speech and guns), what should happen on a meta scale now we know they are Moslems?

    Could the Left help us out here?

  165. Gab

    From Andrews link:

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev’s YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of “Khurasan,” a large portion of territory in central Asia.

  166. JC

    Monst

    Have stopped giving any opinion and now just cutting and pasting shit here?

    I can’t say it’s a bad thing, if you know what I mean.

  167. Gab

    Sorry, Andreas’ link, not Andrew.

  168. Cold-Hands

    as your chief goat fucker
    Just as long as you sell the goat in the next village…

  169. John Mc

    I’m delighted to hear that the bombers are Muslim. The Left can now be declared guilty by association and have their right to free speech taken away

    Monty, even the Cats don’t take the Fisk Doctrine completely seriously. Perhaps you shouldn’t either.

  170. JC

    Monty, even the Cats don’t take the Fisk Doctrine completely seriously. Perhaps you shouldn’t either.

    Perhaps Fatboy can explain how he supported a government all through the process of introducing the media laws and not supporting the laws. All at the same time.

    The lying turd.

  171. Nic

    Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

    This makes me sick . So the murder of an innocent 8 year old boy is due to the immorality of drinking . Drinking is worse than the murder of innocent children ? FMD

  172. Fisky

    Monty, even the Cats don’t take the Fisk Doctrine completely seriously. Perhaps you shouldn’t either.

    m0nty does, because the Doctrine was carefully designed to be a perfect mirror image of what the Left are really going for.

  173. Infidel Tiger

    Monty, even the Cats don’t take the Fisk Doctrine completely seriously.

    This is why the world is a shithole.

  174. C.L.

    A horrible day for mOnty and Steve. How they hoped and prayed the bombers were Billy-Bob and Cletus Clampett from Kentucky.

    They are Billy-Bob and Cletus Clampett from Kentucky.

  175. Fisky

    Part of the fallout from this attack could be that Obama/Rubio’s amnesty bill is derailed as people focus on Chechen terrorists and undesirables from foreign countries in general. If the bombers had turned out to be privileged white men (like m0nty and Steve), the psychological effect would have worked in favour of amnesty.

    But as it turns out, amnesty is a harder sell now, because Rubio’s camp will be accused of being soft on terrorists.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    privileged white men (like m0nty and Steve

    A loose description but I get the gist.

  177. JC

    Terrific

    Police are warning that this bozo might be heading towards Manhattan, strapped with a suicide vest. Be careful out there.

  178. Gab

    Will Obama start apologizing soon? Will they build a mosque in Boston?

  179. JC

    Is there ever a different description about these nutballs? Ever?

    Yearbook pic of Boston bombing suspect, given to me by fmr classmate. “He was quiet”.

  180. Jim Rose

    Guy on cnn pointed out why did the two terrorists hijack a car? Did they not have one of their own? Are they that poorly resourced?

  181. JC

    Interesting comments here along the lines I suggested. Get rid of them all until they learn how to behave and stop blowing people up.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/who-is-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston/64382/

  182. Fisky

    Chechen terrorists are not like any other variety. These people terrorised Moscow and fought the Russian army to a standstill in the 90s. This guy could do a lot of damage on the run.

  183. Harold

    Fisky he can’t do worse than any other nutjob with a gun and a deathwish.

  184. JC

    Uncle speaks out

    A man who says he’s the uncle of suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings said he wished they “never existed” and said in an interview with a local outlet on Friday that he discouraged one of the suspects from focusing too much on Islam.

    “I just wish they never existed,” said uncle Ruslan Tsarni in an interview with Boston’s CBS affiliate, WBZ. “I’m wordless. I’m wordless. I am wordless. S

    His comments came hours after two suspects in the bombings, who are brothers, were identified, spurring a city-wide lock-down in Boston and triggering a manhunt for one suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, reports said. The other suspect, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, reportedly died overnight in clashes with law enforcement authorities, reports said.

    “The last time in 2009, maybe, the last time and that was in 2009, when I spoke with Tamerlan,” Tsarni said. “I was asking what he was doing and he started telling me about the, some that he’s been in Islam. I told him, listen. Islam [has] always been there. You just do your business. Work. Go to school. Be useful. Know why you came to America.”

    Tsarni said his brother — the suspects’ father — still lives in Russia.

    “I would call him a loser,” he said of the older suspect. “I heard he’s not been in school and I’m not sure what he’s doing.”

    As for the younger brother, Tsarni remembered him as “a really nice, quiet boy” but said they hadn’t kept in touch.

    Tsarni said he did not know that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been killed. When he was informed by a reporter, he said the older Tsarnaev “absolutely deserved” it and that he’s “not sympathizing.” But he added that the two suspects got their start in America “as refugees.”

    “If these people do have an association with me through blood…barbarians,” he said.

    Tsarni offered condolences and said he was ready to accept “curses” because “I’m associated with these bastards. I am talking about the two involved. What else can I say?”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-uncle-90328.html#ixzz2Qv04Hf5H

    Sounds like a decent man.

  185. Fisky

    The guy could take ten bullets to the chest before he finally goes down. Don’t underestimate these people.

  186. Fisky

    But he added that the two suspects got their start in America “as refugees.”

    The Left love phony Muslim refugees like these guys.

  187. Harold

    This dog could take ten bullets to the chest before he’d go down, more!

  188. C.L.

    Fisk, they’re just soft (albeit fanatical) kids – not grizzled old forrest fighters from the backwoods of Russia.

  189. Harold

    Sounds like a decent man.

    My ears were hearing an old Jewish man as I read that.

  190. Infidel Tiger

    Yep. They eat low fat ranch dressing. We are not dealing with men here.

  191. JC

    I don’t quite get where and what they were reffing from to be treated as such?

  192. Harold

    TheConversation front page

    The FBI has released photos and CCTV footage of the two men considered suspects in this week’s Boston bombing, and has appealed to the public to help identify them. Both are young men, wearing baseballs

    The article has it right.

  193. Fisky

    @CL, maybe, but one of them killed a cop in a shootout and is armed with grenades.

  194. Fisky

    My ears were hearing an old Jewish man as I read that.

    Harold, what’s your take on fractional reserve? Any strong opinions?

  195. Monty, even the Cats don’t take the Fisk Doctrine completely seriously.

    Bugger. I thought it was, like, a plan, man.
    Pity.

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