Open Forum: June 1, 2013

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  1. Nic

    Goodes went down a great deal in my estimation this week. But not nearly so far down as the pathetic trolls who frequent this site with apparent immunity.

    The TV coverage of the game was a confected homage to Goodes. The half time montage of his achievements was straight out of science fiction fantasy (the hunger games, running man etc).

    He’s a great player, has made real achievements, but I have to say his snivelling at what was said by a 13 year old girl makes me shake my head.

  2. m0nty

    With all due respect to Catallaxy, Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club is, IMHO and of any site I have ever visited, the best essayist in the Anglosphere.

    I think his reputation was established with ‘The Three Conjectures‘ in 2003, and has only grown since.

    He is a generic wingnut hawk, nothing special about him.

    Of course you would love a hawk wet dream of turning the Middle East into glass.

  3. m0nty

    Far Right Extremists Chased Through London By Women Dressed As Badgers

    Where were the hippies dressed as koalas when the Convoy Of No Confidence were here, one wonders wistfully.

  4. entropy

    Wasn’t there a badger hunt being organised soon? I must admit if they looked like that I might join it.

  5. JC

    Fatboy

    Richard is an excellent essayist. One of the best around. He just doesn’t write about the Mid-East but all sorts of things.

    Suggesting he only focuses of the Mid East is like suggesting you mostly write about donuts. In Fernandez’s case it would be factually wrong, however with your donut obsession there’s a grain to truth.

  6. entropy

    Actually just read Mont’s article. A tale of all the worlds lunatics getting together and clashing. Glorious.

    But I suspect the anti badger cull is just another one of those spontaneous and fashionable causes that pop up every now and again.

  7. C.L.

    In Britain, “right-wing extremists” are people who don’t support female genital mutilation.

    The British left, of course, fully supports Sharia.

  8. Fleeced

    The US should say No to Keystone Pipeline because when you put rocks in water, they sink… or something
    .

  9. m0nty

    The involvement of Brian May is particularly piquant.

    Badger-clad girls will be rioting today, so look out for those beauties aww yeah…

  10. C.L.

    Interesting, isn’t it, that people are still talking about the Heroic Goodesy even as Julia Gillard and the unions launch a new campaign against apes blacks on 457s?

  11. Fleeced

    People were running from these badger girls?

  12. Nic

    Monty, the involvement of Dr May, who at least has a scientific background, does make me at least pay attention. So yes, I agree with you

  13. Fleeced

    The OTT “honouring” of Goodes is so patronising… I wonder if he is self-aware enough to feel uncomfortable with it all?

  14. Fleeced

    They chanted: “Smash the cull! Smash the BNP!”

    Are the BNP proposing the cull, or are they just getting confused?

  15. Pickles

    Do not confuse Badger with Spadger.

  16. Tom

    Bob Ellis’s meal ticket has fallen in love with the perks that the other little prick has exploited and plans to spend the next six years touring the world on the taxpayers’ dime as “the former Australian foreign minister”:

    BOB Carr has committed to another term in federal parliament while denying any deal to step aside and make way for the elevation of a senior NSW Labor official.

    The Foreign Minister’s current Senate term expires in June 2014, but Senator Carr, 65, says he plans to serve a further six-year term.

    “And then I’m going to keep seeking them,” the former NSW premier told the Sky News Agenda program.

    He rejected a News Ltd report that a deal has been struck whereby he would exit the Senate and make way for NSW Labor secretary Sam Dastyari.

    “Emphatically not,” Senator Carr said.

  17. entropy

    I was feeling a bit guilty about calling the anti badger cull protests a fashionable cause while knowing nothing about it, so I looked into it.
    Apparently it’s because there is a strong link between bovine TB and badger populations, and in some areas it is a particular problem, so the British government has agreed to a cull after a long and tortuous consultation process that the British do so well, and after imposing a rather, to Aussie eyes, ridiculous number of conditions on the farmers

    So in upshot, yep, it looks exactly like it is just the latest fashionable cause. At least the babes look good in fur, even if it is faux fur.

  18. Megan

    Do they have to cook dinner in it?

    Aliice, I have purely anecdotal evidence with a sample of one but at the home I visited where the man of the house refused to shake my hand and I was banished to the kitchen after perfunctory small talk, both his wives and two daughters in law were in their full abayas while they cooked lunch.

    That may have been because the Sicilian Prince and our male driver were also in the house.

  19. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Mont the terminally bewildered racist:

    He is a generic wingnut hawk, nothing special about him

    .

    Ad Hom, racist belittlement and demonisation. Seriously, what is it with you lefties that as soon as a non-whitey ventures an opinion, you are straight in with the racist abuse? Can’t stand the thought of a ‘little brown chap’ having an opinion, left alone one contrary to yours, Monty?

    Monty, ten thousand of you are not worth Fernandez’s toenail clippings.

    Fernandez who was an active part of the anti-Ferdinand Marcos resistance – you know, that famous right wing authiritarian dictator the Australian left so hated. He fought that regime, scum like you wrung your hands about it and felt so virtuous.

    What he does, and (aside from his being non-white) why you hate him, is that he sees reality clear of your perverted shibboleths. And because you cannot touch the man intellectually, you are reduced to racist ranting.

    Of course you would love a hawk wet dream of turning the Middle East into glass.

    Where has he said this, you lying racist piece of crap? Is this really how you interpret ‘The Three Conjectures’?

    Boy, are you an intellectual pygmy compared to Fernandez. Unlike the racist leftist worldview you have, reality is more complex than a bumper-sticker.

  20. Gab

    The OTT “honouring” of Goodes is so patronising…

    It’s sycophantic adulation from poseurs desperately trying to outdo each other in the “look at me, I’m not a racist” Olympics.

  21. H B Bear

    So after three years of pissing into the wind, Ol’ Leathery squelches onto the set for another episode of the AbbottAbbottAbbott Hour.

    After the usual nit picking and delusional detours, a clip of the Old Lezzo saying Abbott did not bring on a no confidence motion because Gillard has improved her numbers on the floor of parliament. Naturally Ol’ Leathery couldn’t pass this up. So as Gillard prepares to lead Labor to a potentially once in a century electoral wipeout, those “independents” whose ranks have been swollen by potential fraudsters and criminals, actually strengthen Gillard’s position? Well I’ll be.

    I then had to turn it off because I could no longer stand the sight of Karen Middleton’s flabby gizzard wobbling as she flapped around like a pre-Christmas turkey. A metaphor that is sure to get some more use before September 14.

  22. Tapdog

    Insiders scales new heights of excellence.

    David to Gerard: “It’s you I’m sneering at”
    Gerard to David : ” I know that’
    David to Gerard: “Good”

  23. stackja

    More words:

    Soldiers send hate messages
    Australian Defence Force personnel, paramedics and a rural firefighter have been caught posting racist and religious slurs on social media pages, despite the furore over the racist insults directed at AFL star Adam Goodes.

    Diggers of another era spoke as they thought fit.

    Australia in the War of 1939–1945. Series 1 – Army – Volume I
    Volume I – To Benghazi – Chapter 12 – The Capture of Giarabub

    20 Mar AMONG THE SANDHILLS 299
    During the day Berry’s platoon lay among the sandhills,while, in a mild sandstorm which helped to conceal their movements, trucks carried across the marsh and along the track through Daly House the additional forces that were to take part in the attack next day .Some German aircraft appeared at intervals but did not look for targets in the south,evidently still believing that the thrust was coming from the north and east and no t knowing that already the attackers had reached Tamma. During the after- noon and evening Captain Reidy’s 5 company of the 2/9th arrived (bring ing a hot meal to help Berry’s weary men,dressed only in shirts and shorts, through a second cold night on the sandhills) and took up a position on the right ready for the attack.The Australian positions were so close to the Italian redoubt that the Italians in some places were only 100 yards or so distant .For example, during the day Lieutenant Noyes 5 of Reidy’s company went cautiously forward to visit a man who was alone among the sandhills as “marker” for a platoon which had not yet arrived. Noyes found that the man had inquisitively moved forward and, as Noyes arrived, he pointed to a figure not far away and said: “Who’s that chap over there?” “He’s a Dago,” said Noyes. “Good ___! I thought he was one of our blokes. I was just going over to have a yarn with him.”

  24. H B Bear

    Yep – Marr carried on as though he was at the bathhouse today.

  25. m0nty

    Where has he said this, you lying racist piece of crap? Is this really how you interpret ‘The Three Conjectures’?

    Mk50, his argument is that the first time any extremist Islamist used a WMD on the US, the US would be justified in murdering one billion Muslims. He comes to this conclusion by making the assumption that the Islamists would murder each and every American (his – 2.95 x 10^7 figure) if they are not stopped pre-emptively.

    This is hawkish madness. He is advocating genocide as a response to terrorism. No wonder you like him.

  26. kae

    Some time ago I had a plumber come to sort out a problem.

    He was here for about an hour, and he had a young bloke with him who didn’t seem to do much except fetch.

    He pulled apart my water pump, which has leaked ever since, and couldn’t get the pump started because there was no water in the tank. He still faffed around with it for over an hour.

    He organised for the tank to be filled (trickle valve taken off for a few hours to fill the tank) that day, and then came back to get the pump going that evening.

    For this I was charged $172. The pump is still leaking ‘cos he pulled it apart (needs that tape stuff in the thread I think), and I still owe him $72.

    Months later I received a phone message from him that he’d come to look at the leak but couldn’t find it. It leaks when it is operating, when it’s not going it doesn’t leak.

  27. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist:

    Mk50, his argument is that the first time any extremist Islamist used a WMD on the US, the US would be justified in murdering one billion Muslims.

    I did not actually believe that you would double down on your racist imbecility and prove to all present that you utterly missed the entire point of the thought-experiment. In fact, you have proven that you can’t even recognise a logical thought experiment.

    You are an arts graduate, aren’t you?

    His argument is that stopping the islamists through the mechansm of the WoT is essential to avoid disaster.

    You entirely missed this.

    Dude, that’s hilarious.

    He comes to this conclusion by making the assumption that the Islamists would murder each and every American (his – 2.95 x 10^7 figure) if they are not stopped pre-emptively.

    He does? Well, that’s news to every functional intellect that has ever seen the article. Please lay out your evidence that islamists do not desire the death of Americans, up to and including all of them.

    Good luck with that.

    What Fernandez says is:

    It is supremely ironic that the survival of the Islamic world should hinge on an American victory in the War on Terror, the last chance to prevent that terrible day in which all the decisions will have already been made for us. That effort really consists of two separate aspects: a campaign to destroy the locus of militant Islam and prevent their acquisition of WMDs; and an attempt to awaken the world to the urgency of the threat.

    This is in a thing called a ‘conclusion’.

    What he’s saying – and it’s crystal clear to anyone with more than your room-temperature IQ – is that the WoT has to be utilised as a mechanism to make sure that islamists do not get WMD which they can manufacture and deliver in a non-centralised, cellular manner.

    You entirely missed this in your insensate racist gibbering.

    Now, will Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist triple down his imbecility?

  28. m0nty

    What Fernandez is saying is that he thinks of the War on Terror as Cold War II, where the Muslim world plays the role of Russia and Mutually Assured Destruction is the dominant political dynamic. This is silly on many levels, though no doubt comforting to hawks like him.

    One such silliness is his assumption that murdering one billion Muslims – and the overt threat of doing so, according to his logic – should somehow frame the debate as America saving Muslims. It’s the same blinkered hawkish mentality that led Bushites to believe that their army would be welcomed as liberators in Iraq. “Just be glad we didn’t nuke you all, have a tiny American flag!”

    Militant Islamists do desire the death of the West, this is true. However, this should not mean that we should wish the death of Islam. Extremism is not a valid answer to extremism. I do not expect you to grok this argument, Mk50.

  29. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Now, will Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist triple down his imbecility?

    Of course!

    So, you entirely miss the point of the article, and now prove that you completely fail to understand the stated assumptions and the thought model used.

    This is simply hilarious.

    Do you even understand what the word ‘conjecture’ means? Or the difference between capability and intent?

    Thnks for proving that I was correct in stating that “… ten thousand of you are not worth Fernandez’s toenail clippings.”

  30. C.L.

    ADF investigations will also examine comments, such as ”Death to Islam”, which were posted by a man wearing what appeared to be an Australian army uniform.

    LOL.

    No different to a soldier in 1943 saying “death to Hitler.”

    If that’s his opinion, who cares?

    The executive director of the Australian Defence Association, Neil James, said such behaviour would be disappointing, given that the ADF was so strong on its social media policy. ”When you are fighting a war in complex human terrain – among people - it is not clever to be giving them things they can use as propaganda against you; it is also not looking after your mates,” he said.

    Oh, I see. How clever is it to send women into foward areas of a war or for the ADF to pay for a ‘soldier’ to have his genitals cut off so he can become a ‘woman’?

    No propaganda value there, eh?

    Incidentally, is this the same Fairfax that ran De Brit’s column last week in which he argued American blacks were violent, uncontrollable animals?

  31. m0nty

    Mk50 completely fails to engage, and resorts to name-calling and insults. Yawn.

  32. Aliice

    Megan

    refused to shake my hand and I was banished to the kitchen after perfunctory small talk

    Yes Megan, I have seen that banishment and segregation first hand myself. It is shocking for us western women to actually see it. I recall being shocked when I was similarly despatched to a woman only conversation in the kitchen under similar circumstances although having said that I am sure my great grandfather carried on like a silly old duffer as well that way…from what I can recall he could be pretty tetchy around women and as happy as Harry around men!.

    I found it quite strange in my youthful naivety and really couldnt wait to leave as rather oppressive …I was only there as a social guest because a nursing colleague I knew had married into the lifestyle. The food was lovely though and the women nice enough. She said it was the norm to be segregated but being of Australian origin she didnt wear any tents and neither did some of the women. I know she had a hard time getting used to it and often wonder if the marriage lasted as I lost touch. It is often the norm that the husbands go out socially and leave their wives at home as well (not much fun is it?).

  33. C.L.

    LOL: Emily’s Listers call for a vagina to be recruited in Batman…

    My money’s on Hutch!

    Batman preselection: Macklin, Wong urge Labor to preselect female candidate.

    Two of Labor’s senior female Cabinet members have urged the party to preselect a woman for the federal seat of Batman…

    Local branch member Mary-Anne Thomas and former Emily’s List national co-convenor Hutch Hussein have announced their intention to seek preselection.

    Finance Minister Penny Wong has urged members to support a female candidate, tweeting that “strong women are key to the modern Labor Party”.

    Furthermore, Ms Thomas has been endorsed by Disability Reform Minister Jenny Macklin.

  34. Helen Armstrong

    Re nude mons, I say bring back the merkin.

  35. C.L.

    UK Daily Telegraph’s Andrew Gilligan blows the whistle on “Islamophobia” con…

    The truth about the ‘wave of attacks on Muslims’ after Woolwich murder.

    Fiyaz Mughal runs a project called Tell Mama, which receives £214,000 a year from the Government to monitor anti-Muslim attacks in Britain…

    He then invents them.

    Read on…

  36. jupes

    More from the ‘hate’ site:

    One message on a hate page, thought to be from a serving soldier, said: ”My mates wife ripped the scarf of a muzzos head, after she run up the arse of their Porsche, it was so she could see where she was going next time.”

    Oh the humanity. He actually said ‘muzzo’.

    Another serving soldier, who had been the subject of a complaint to Defence in the past two weeks, was again posting comments on Friday about Muslims, saying: ”Kill em all.”

    We have actually arrived at the point where it is illegal in the ADF to advocate killing the enemy. Is it any wonder Australia hasn’t been involved in a victory parade since 1945?

    A Defence spokeswoman confirmed the Office of the Inspector-General of Defence was investigating the allegations of inappropriate comments made by Defence members.

    Of course they are.

  37. Aliice

    Maree

    Apparently, cultured husbands don’t like hair down there.

    Not so different after all if Brazilian ads are anything to go by of recent years..
    I shouldnt tell you about the time I went for a massage and leg waxing in Bali and was lulled to sleep by a massage and nice music first and was then unexpectedly attacked by a very large blob of hot wax where it had never been before…sending me through the ceiling at the thought of all that pain…when the Balinese girl leapt to her feet at my shock and said “you no want brazilian? everyone like. Look nice” No thankyou…..not today …now remove it and dont go any further in that direction.”

  38. jupes

    strong women are key to the modern Labor Party”

    LOL. Yes they are.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    Thanks to emily’s List, Tanya Plibersek could soon be opposition leader.

    Awesome.

  40. Andrew

    Macklin and Wong are pushing for a female to be pre-selected for the seat of Batman. Two females have put their hand up to take on Feeney. An Emily’s Lister has put her hand up, which is interesting.

  41. stackja

    Two prime ministers

    May 28, 2013|Cal Thomas | Tribune Media Services

    Following the hacking death of a British soldier by two alleged Islamic extremists, Prime Minister David Cameron said, “There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act.”

    Winston Churchill thought otherwise, but he lived in a time before political correctness ran amok and drew on his personal experiences serving in the Sudan and in the Crimean War.

  42. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Shorter Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist: “Fernandez thinks of the War on Terror as Cold War II, ” … and has as “… his assumption that murdering one billion Muslims” is good.

    Shorter Mk50: You have entirely failed to comprehend Fernandez’s assumptions, methodology, logic flow and conclusion. conducting instead a reducto ad absurdum to invent a mere caricatrue of his argument, then having invented this caricature from whole cloth you ascribe it to Fernandez and you demonise and label him. This all being ‘bog standard leftie tactic #56′ and even laid out in Alinsky.

    Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist:

    Mk50 completely fails to engage, and resorts to name-calling and insults. Yawn.

    This is actually your first shred of non-standard lefty tactics. Instead of the old THR-style ‘unilateral declaration of victory’ you claim people won’t engage on your imbecilic playing field.

    Congratulations, you have learned something. When you behave as the imbecile you are, anyone with a better intellect than yours (which ain’t hard) will deny your premises, point out how false they are, and laugh at you for being an idiot.

  43. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    CL:

    LOL: Emily’s Listers call for a vagina to be recruited in Batman…

    Rules out that Wong chap then. His only interest in vaginas is shagging them. Also rules out Shagger for the same reason.

  44. jupes

    Nice rant Peter55, somewhat let down by the tirade at the end but it is a finalist in the Rant of the Week contest nonetheless.

    And good on Daniel Kerr for saying no to this garbage.

  45. Gab

    The African leaders have an interesting waddle?

  46. Fisky

    Fantastic news in Hungary. Prime Minister Orban grants voting rights to half a million Hungarians living abroad, assuring his victory in next year’s election:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-hungary-diaspora-votes-idUSBRE94T0TE20130530

    This is what the Fisk Doctrine is all about. Re-engineering the electorate to make it impossible to elect Left-wing governments.

  47. jupes

    From Peter55′s link:

    Rose is part of the Indigenous Leadership Group at the NRL, which runs a rookie camp for all new recruits to the game, where all players learn about indigenous culture.

    NRL’s Indigenous educator, ex-player Dean Widders, said when Indigenous players learn about their own culture for the first time they “feel a little bit more proud about that culture and feel a bit more comfortable in their skin”.

    It’s not clear from that poorly written couple of paragraphs whether every player or every Aboriginal player has to learn ‘Indigenous culture’. Regardless, Peter 55 makes a good point. What exactly are the parts of Aboriginal tribal culture that make them feel proud?

  48. m0nty

    You have entirely failed to comprehend Fernandez’s assumptions, methodology, logic flow and conclusion. conducting instead a reducto ad absurdum to invent a mere caricatrue of his argument

    What is reductionary about repeating the numbers he so helpfully provided in his tables? His own logic, as expressed in the tables, is that if a radical Islamist murders 500,000 Americans, then America’s “rational” response would be to retaliate by killing 1,000,000,000 Muslims. This is based on his assumption that radical Islamists want to kill everyone on the planet that isn’t them, including other Muslims.

    I’m not even sure why he thinks WMDs change the game. Isn’t it inevitable that radical Islamists will gain access to WMDs at some point due to the march of technology, so why sacrifice half a million American lives to prove the point, just turn the Arabian Peninsula and Indonesia into radioactive rubble right now? His logic does not bear much scrutiny.

    Mutually Assured Destruction was always insane, but applying it to the WoT is even more crazy because the situation is not really the same. Russia had a lot more to lose than Al Qaeda, and you didn’t see many random kids getting “russianised” like the Tsarnaevs or that Woolwich idiot got radicalised. Holding the lives of a billion Muslims hostage sounds too much like terrorism to me.

  49. Abu Chowdah

    I shouldnt tell you about the time I went for a massage and leg waxing in Bali and was lulled to sleep by a massage and nice music first and was then unexpectedly attacked by a very large blob of hot wax where it had never been before…sending me through the ceiling at the thought of all that pain…when the Balinese girl leapt to her feet at my shock and said “you no want brazilian? everyone like. Look nice” No thankyou…..not today …now remove it and dont go any further in that direction.”

    So you went half and half?

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Police have finally got to the bottom of the sandwich throwing at Gillard.
    Apparently it is Mrs Emerson, Mrs Wilson and a number of other abandoned wives protesting about Gillard cutting their lunch.

  51. jupes

    This is based on his assumption that radical Islamists want to kill everyone on the planet that isn’t them, including other Muslims.

    As demonstrated by their words and deeds. What do you think they want?

    I’m not even sure why he thinks WMDs change the game. Isn’t it inevitable that radical Islamists will gain access to WMDs at some point due to the march of technology, so why sacrifice half a million American lives to prove the point, just turn the Arabian Peninsula and Indonesia into radioactive rubble right now?

    Good point. However the west is hoping (more than ensuring) that they don’t get nukes. Hopefully you are wrong about the inevitability of Islamists getting them because radioactive rubble on the Arabian Peninsula will be the result.

    Mutually Assured Destruction was always insane …

    How so? It stopped nuclear war. It was a resounding success.

  52. jupes

    Police have finally got to the bottom of the sandwich throwing at Gillard.

    LOL.

    I knew it was a joke after reading that line because how could police finish enquiries in less than a year let alone a week?

  53. Leigh Lowe

    I see that idiot Barclay Nettlefold (who has just taken the fall as chief of Swimming Australia) reading the usual stilted “apology”.
    Apparently he (allegedly) spoke to female employees about dildos, used the word “donkey” to describe the contents of his trousers among other dodgy comments.
    Now, Swimming Australia collects between $10m and $20m a year from the Federal Government, so there is no doubt his appointment would have been given an wink and a nod from the ALP Gumment.
    I anxiously await for Jason Clare and Kate Lundy to call a press conference to declare this a “day of shame for Australian Sport” followed by Julia Gillard “calling mysoginy and sexism wherever she sees it”

  54. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Monty the Terminally Bewildered Racist:

    I’m not even sure why he thinks WMDs change the game.

    Why, of course, Mont. If the islamists who had murdered Corporal Rigby last week had instead been able to obliterate London, there’s no discernable difference! How could their exchanging a pistol and a meat-cleaver for, say, a 500kt thermonuclear warhead be in any way different?

    Isn’t it inevitable that radical Islamists will gain access to WMDs at some point due to the march of technology,

    Of course this is not inevitable. The Israelis and Americans have so far stopped Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iraq from obtaining WMD, and have everywhere stopped Islamists from obtaining them. It merely becomes more difficult to stop them, you imbecile.

    so why sacrifice half a million American lives to prove the point, just turn the Arabian Peninsula and Indonesia into radioactive rubble right now?

    Morals. Get some.

    His logic does not bear much scrutiny.

    Not to a terminally bewildered racist it doesn’t. To anyone able to follow a thought model, it does, and it also points to his main point being correct, face down the islamists and destroy them while you can, or risk disaster.

    You are congenitally unable to grasp this.

    Mutually Assured Destruction was always insane,

    And of course it worked until the evil socilaist regimes it deterred collapsed under the weight of the stupidity of socialism. If it worked, it is not ‘insane’, merely a deterrence structure that functioned as designed.

    but applying it to the WoT is even more crazy because the situation is not really the same.

    And that’s the point you lack the wit to comprehend: the only one applying MAD here is you. As Fernandez descr4ibes, MAD does not work against a distributed threat. A distributed threat cannot be deterred by MAD.

    You are in the pathetic and ludicrous position of claiming Fernandez is saying what he specifically rejects, and criticising him for it.

    Russia had a lot more to lose than Al Qaeda, and you didn’t see many random kids getting “russianised” like the Tsarnaevs or that Woolwich idiot got radicalised.

    You are in the pathetic and ludicrous position of claiming Fernandez is saying what he specifically rejects, and criticising him for it.

    Holding the lives of a billion Muslims hostage sounds too much like terrorism to me.

    You really are an unspeakable cretin. No-one is saying this except you. What Fernandez is saying is that this may be the outcome if the islamists are not destroyed or at least suppressed through successful prosecution of the WoT. You are utterly unable to understand that this is teh outcome Fernandez specifically wants to avoid.

    I do not think I have ever engaged in discussion with someone as congenitally thick as you. it is immensely entertaining.

  55. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    LL, I think it’s amazing that for the first time in Australian history we have a PM so appallingly bad that when she appears in public children pelt her with food scraps.

    When even the moppets despise you, you gotta be bad to the cellular level.

  56. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Found!

    Proof that Haggis McSporran is moonlighting as a compilation editor for a British newspaper.

  57. jumpnmcar

    Well, it’s bed time for me (night shift ) but I’ll leave you with Paddy Crumlins ( National Secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia) speech from 5 days ago.
    You may remember him from such shows as the Bolt Report ( seems like a nice fellow, seems…)

    Bothers, Sisters and Transgender Comrades,

    As you are no doubt aware, yesterday’s lightning strike was as a result of the Harbour City Ferries company’s management plan to take diabolical liberties at the expense of the workers.

    Apparently, they have developed and published a plan that includes upgrading wharves, running more ferries and fine tuning the timetables around when people actually want to travel.

    Obviously this is totally unacceptable and just another in a long line of neo-fascist aggressions against an exploited and hard-working labour force.

    Clearly the plan rewards “the private operators of the ferry service at the expense of passengers“, and that’s not to mention the heinous crime of boosting high-volume routes and phasing out services to places nobody travels to less profitable locations.

    Is there no end to the crimes the management are prepared to undertake just to turn a profit by providing a so-called service for so-called customers?

    Is it a coincidence that the Tollpuddle Martyrs were deported to Australia for making a stand against exploitation and repression? NO!

    And like them, Brothers, Sisters and Transgendered Comrades, we too shall make a stand on behalf of the customers, who never asked for this imposition of improved wharves, more ferries at peak travel times or worst of all, a ticketing system which allows them to easily travel on multiple modes of transport after conveniently buying the tickets online rather than queuing at a manned ticket office.

    Now there are some naysayers who claim that this course of action plays directly into the vile Liberal government’s hands and gives them an excuse to privatise the ferries just after they’ve implemented zoned ticketing and the Opal card.

    But, I say to you; don’t listen to these weak scabs. Go home and prepare to spend more time with your family over the coming months as we make our displeasure known by removing our labour.

    This is war and us ferry workers are the brave navy.

    Tickets please, and mind the gap!

  58. Gab

    Apparently, they have developed and published a plan that includes upgrading wharves, running more ferries and fine tuning the timetables around when people actually want to travel.

    Obviously this is totally unacceptable

    The monsters! Fancy tailoring a service to customers’ needs! Thank heavens we have unions that find this concept “totally unacceptable”.

  59. blogstrop

    Paddy Crumlin did make a funny comment when appearing on the Bolt Report some time back. He said with all that red on the set it looked like the Devil’s waiting room, and with Peter Reith as the receptionist!

  60. hzhousewife

    Just to get back to a topic we should all have moved past by now, just saw a
    promo on Foxtel for an upcoming series called “APEMAN” – I kid you not,
    the inner city lovvies and all their differently coloured friends would freak if
    they could afford Foxtel and watched the History Channel.

  61. jupes

    I’ll leave you with Paddy Crumlins ( National Secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia) speech from 5 days ago.

    Life imitates art. That could have been a Monty Python script. Stan from Life of Brian would have appreciated the transgender reference. He still couldn’t have babies but he would have liked the reference.

  62. nilk, Iron Bogan

    NATIONAL Australia Bank will offer its 43,000 staff paid domestic violence leave in a move that campaigners hope will encourage other large private employers to follow suit.

    Is this entitlement for the perpetrator or the victim?

  63. Steve of Glasshouse

    I just like the photo juxtaposition..http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/22739951

  64. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Steve, which one is the monkey?

  65. Gab

    Another juxtaposition. the Left thought it a hoot.

  66. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Mk50, his argument is that the first time any extremist Islamist used a WMD on the US, the US would be justified in murdering one billion Muslims. He comes to this conclusion by making the assumption that the Islamists would murder each and every American (his – 2.95 x 10^7 figure) if they are not stopped pre-emptively.

    Hmm, let’s see….

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Not very peaceful there.

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

    Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

    Monty, if the jihadis unleashed their idea of the apocalypse via a nuke or anything else and saw it as empowering, they would ramp up their attacks.

    Kind of like what’s happened since 9/11 and especially since Barry O strolled into the White House on the backs of the racists and demagogues. I don’t see any unrest from the jihadis abating any time soon, do you?

    The aim of war is to win. In this case, our civilisation is the prize. You have a choice: you can fight in whatever small capability you possess, or you can roll over with the rest of the kumbaya krew.

  67. blogstrop

    While appreciating your excellent contribution, Nilk, it’s wasted on monty – he’s stuck on stupid, while the management is seemingly stuck on him – and one or more others of similarly miniscule worth.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    NATIONAL Australia Bank will offer its 43,000 staff paid domestic violence leave in a move that campaigners hope will encourage other large private employers to follow suit.

    One thing leads to another.
    If you introduce an affirmative action program for minorities, you have to introduce domestic violence leave when they start beating the shit out of each other AT HOME.
    I can see how this has come to pass.
    Focus group on public attitudes (not customers or shareholders mind, but the general public) finds that banks are dirty, grubbing pricks because they want to, like, make a profit.
    HR weenies invent the solution – domestic violence leave.
    Management buys it because they think it will look all soft and cuddly and they think the uptake will be low.
    But here’s the thing.
    A significant number of Gen Y slackers will treat it as a laugh to pretend that the boyfriend/girlfriend is giving them a whack just to get a few days off.

  69. Fisky

    The aim of war is to win. In this case, our civilisation is the prize. You have a choice: you can fight in whatever small capability you possess, or you can roll over with the rest of the kumbaya krew.

    Why are you even addressing yourself to the Left? This isn’t 2007 anymore, and they aren’t a part of the discussion.

  70. Fisky

    Seriously, who would actually enter a discussion with the Left about anything? ‘Tell me, Mark B and Lefty Kim, what are your thoughts on how to make Australia more attractive to investors?‘ Ridiculous.

  71. C.L.

    Leonidas and the 300 as the header!

    Yes!

  72. C.L.

    A party of penguins in Japan has welcomed a group of African leaders with an interesting waddle.
    Calling Africans penguins? Is that racist?

    Hilarious, Stack.

    I love the Japs.

    They’re completely mad.

  73. C.L.

    Alice, I do a bit of massaging myself… as this film – made without my knowledge – demonstrates:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8IqSCu_r1o

  74. stackja

    Donkey brays on Brussels balcony
    A theatre-starring donkey in Brussels has been ordered to move from the balcony of a cultural centre after neighbours complained about the braying.

    No donkey freedom of speech it seems!

  75. blogstrop

    Next week on Compass – a British witch.

    The ABC – Anything But Christian.

  76. stackja

    he’s stuck on stupid
    Russel L. Honoré

    Honore: You are stuck on stupid. I’m not going to answer that question. We are going to deal with Rita. This is public information that people are depending on the government to put out. This is the way we’ve got to do it. So please. I apologize to you, but let’s talk about the future. Rita is happening. And right now, we need to get good, clean information out to the people that they can use. And we can have a conversation on the side about the past, in a couple of months.

  77. stackja

    Next week on Compass – a British witch.
    The ABC – Anything But Christian.

    Ditch the Witch! Or is that racist?

  78. Brian of Moorabbin

    Sam de Brito, who famously wrote a blog last week which boiled down to “Try calling a black man ‘King Kong’ in the US; he’ll beat the shit out of you”, has officially jumped the shark with his latest offering…

    Mostly, however, I lay the blame at the feet of Gillard’s media advisers because too many people have told me they’re producing shit from clay. They have a self-deprecating, intelligent, cool-headed, historic figure to work with but are giving us a woman who is too easy to dislike.

    The thing we need to keep in mind is the alternative. In three years of mostly minority government, we’ve not once seen Gillard lose her cool, despite parliamentary pressures and compromises that would have turned John Howard into Groucho Marx.

    On the other side, we have Tony Abbott – possibly the Liberal Party’s answer to Mark Latham (and history has amply illustrated that we dodged a bullet not electing that dude – a man clearly too combustible for national office). Make all the jokes you want about Gillard’s red hair, she’s anything but flammable. She’s cooler than the other side of the pillow, and I know I’d feel better going to bed with her hand on the tiller than a guy who earned the nickname ”Mad Monk”.

    What fcuking planet has this cretin been living on for the last 3 years?

  79. Tiny Dancer

    Uncyclopedia reveals the real Julia

    Gillard is well known for her rise to power using a techniques known as “Leadership Spill” in the local language, this roughly translates as “Backstabbing”.

  80. calli

    What was he smoking/imbibing/fantasising about when he wrote that last line? Idiot.

  81. C.L.

    Just watched today’s BP.

    Bolt deserves congratulations for hosting the best discussion of Goodes/Maguire/13 year old girl.

    Intelligent, balanced and right.

    And the leftist view totally left out – as it should be.

  82. C.L.

    The thing we need to keep in mind is the alternative. In three years of mostly minority government, we’ve not once seen Gillard lose her cool, despite parliamentary pressures and compromises that would have turned John Howard into Groucho Marx.

    This is the greatest myth being manufactured and pre-sold to the public about the Gillard ‘government.’ Namely, that a leftist Grate Negoshater churned out legislation and various other crap ‘despite’ being in cahoots with the leftist Greens and the leftist ‘independents.’

    Like that would be hard to do. LOL.

  83. Pickles

    That Uncyclopedia is deliciously juvenile Tiny. Half a dozen pages of joy. Can’t last.

  84. Tom

    The ABC – Anything But Christian.

    What fcuking planet has this cretin been living on for the last 3 years?

    The extreme left and their sycophants, who have run the country for the past three years, think no-one can see them manically trying to destroy the national culture at every opportunity and have no idea why a majority have had a gutful of this nihilism.

  85. aliice

    Abu says

    So you went half and half?

    LOL Abu it was much worse than that…I had a laughable smack bang in the centre bare patch of was once quite quite respectable neatened normality.

    (my hubby laughed, my mother laughed, my sister laughed – they were all on the holdiay and they all laughed)

    I was a laughing stock.

  86. Token

    NATIONAL Australia Bank will offer its 43,000 staff paid domestic violence leave in a move that campaigners hope will encourage other large private employers to follow suit.

    Guess where sociologists will look for evidence for a unexpected upswing in the number of domestic violence cases (contrary to the reality in society)

    As a result more funds for study & expansion of this new ‘right’ will be demanded, etc.

  87. aliice

    But what was far worse Abu was what the Balinese convinced me into doing with my eyebrows.
    Plucked and dyed but somehow still came out looking like Groucho Marx’s sister.

    Beware when in Bali and going to beauty salons is all I can say…

  88. Fisky

    In three years of mostly minority government, we’ve not once seen Gillard lose her cool,

    Gillard lost her temper at Abbott and defamed him as a “misogynist” and has broken down in tears on at least four occasions. Leftists can never be trusted to tell the truth.

  89. dover_beach

    Watching the last half of the Whitlam doco. Interesting to see signs with Fraser’s name on it use the nazi symbol in place of the s.

  90. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Jacques-Louis David’s 1814 Leonidas at Thermopylae.

    Oh, that’s good.

  91. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Speaking of photo-weirdness, oldies but goodies, gangsta moves in Monrovia during the late unpleasantness.

  92. irving J

    However, this should not mean that we should wish the death of Islam

    Neither should we have wished the death of naziism then.

    Exterminating naziism was never anything but a foregone conclusion. Appeasement was never going to work. Naziism had to be exterminated. That didn’t mean we had to kill every german or nazi, just every german or nazi that wasn’t going to renounce the creed or was prepared to fight.

    Given about 10-15% of islamists are prepared to wage violent jihad and a further 10-15% would step in their shoes. The target list is not small.

    Islam is nothing but the ideological equivalent of HIV. As an ideology it must be exterminated before it kills its hosts.

  93. H B Bear

    What fcuking planet has this cretin been living on for the last 3 years?

    Anyone still left at Fauxfacts is effectively unemployable. In less enlightened times they would be institutionalised for their own well being.

  94. dover_beach

    I like this painting more.

  95. stackja

    It’s the same blinkered hawkish mentality that led Bushites to believe that their army would be welcomed as liberators in Iraq.

    When I first saw the word I thought the word was Bushido.
    Which reminds of a previous ‘religion’.

    IT IS BUSHIDO TO TORTURE THE SICK

    It took two big bombs to finally remove this scourge.

  96. twostix

    In three years of mostly minority government, we’ve not once seen Gillard lose her cool,

    Except for her infamous mental breakdown in parliament where she unleashed the ugliest, most vicious, debased, emotional rant against an opposition leader and his family ever seen in any parliament in Australia.

    Except that.

  97. C.L.

    You’re forgetting the fact that Gillard is the only political leader in Australian history to organise a race riot.

  98. pete m

    Ha, didn’t lose her cool eh? Try telling that to Mr Mitchell of the Aus.

  99. Leigh Lowe

    In three years of mostly minority government, we’ve not once seen Gillard lose her cool,

    Well, standby.
    I reckon she’ll pop a few circuit breakers around mid September.

  100. twostix

    Christ Australian produced television is embarrassingly obsessed with fitting “gay themes” into ever single show they produce.

    It’s really getting quite absurd.

  101. aliice

    Irving J says

    Islam is nothing but the ideological equivalent of HIV. As an ideology it must be exterminated before it kills its hosts.

    Whilever they have jihad against the west and whilever it attracts fanatics to do its bidding on our soils with terrorist bombers and lone attackers

    I am afraid I have to agree. We cannot ignore it due to their recruitment of fanatics methodologies. I am quite of the opinion we (in the west) need to be more vigilant and discourage the immigration of such races to our own soil (and if anyone calls me a racist over my views I really dont care. Jihad is violent and preaches violence against the west whilst inhabiting our countries and perpetrating crimes and mass murders on our soil. Quite enough for me. I have no interest in this aspect of Islam and perhaps we do need to ask those Islamists who are peaceful and dont believe in this and are happy to0 live here and have their children in our countries… to assist us to stamp this out and remove extremists.

    Or else take a more diligent and preventative attitude to arrivals.

  102. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    or the greatest cavalry charge in history – Jan Sobieski’s Winged Hussars at Vienna in 1683

  103. aliice

    CL – was that you looking like Sean Connery doing massage?

  104. Jessie

    CL at 5.32
    Ha

    Dover Beach , the painting you have linked to? A wonderful scene painted by ?.

  105. aliice

    Guys I forgot to tell you!

    Finally after all the excess and over the topness….Baz Lurhman has made a masterpiece from his over the topness. Gatsby!!

    I loveed it yet I hated Moulin rouge (bizarre) and a little more fond of Australia with the miscast Nicole who couldnt ride a damn horse (but still strange).

    But oh no. Gatsby was the movie for this dude Baz. Finally! I think he combined his weirdness and flamboyance into a movie of utter brilliance … masterpiece..riveted throughout…loved it.

    I am sure some will disagree with me here…

  106. Huckleberry Chunkwot Minion & Executioner VRWC. BDS.

    Interesting day today.
    Had No 2 son’s confirmation where the Indian parish priest was joined by the Vietnamese Bishop.
    The gospel was the story of the loaves and fishes, and the sermon for this gospel was given by the Bishop.
    The major point of the sermon was that due to his lived experience in a refugee camp, the Bishop believed that our response to asylum seekers was inhumane.
    It shits me no end that he is not being honest with the church about this matter. The Vietnamese boat people were not country/welfare shoppers like the current lot, and the Bishop himself is proof positive that the Vietnamese were willing to embrace Australia and do their best to adopt our way of life.
    This example bears no resemblance to what is occurring now where the country shoppers arriving today belong to a death cult which wants to see the destruction of our way of life.
    I am finding it increasingly difficult to reconcile my faith and my beliefs with the leftist proselytising with which the majority of the clergy seem to be so enamoured.
    My frustrations are magnified by the far left indoctrination that is occurring in the Catholic schools that I send my kids to. The primary school is actually worse than the secondary school in this regard, and it seems like a constant battle to undo the damage that this far left poison is doing.

  107. dover_beach

    Jessie, his painter is Charles de Steuben.

  108. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Twostix why on earth would you watch Australian television?

    Which reminds me, on BTN last week they mentioned the Goodes saga. It was all about how hurt he was, how racist the girl was, and the usual crap from the Australian Bolshevik Collective.

    Needless to say the show never mentioned what was actually said. I told my girl and she was less than impressed.

  109. John Mc

    Islam is nothing but the ideological equivalent of HIV.

    There is a common military theory on tactics where you try to align your strength with their weakness. This is what extreme Islam is achieving in the West. Islam doesn’t have a lot going for it – it really is a sh*t ideology, that will ultimately be put back into its place by one means or another – but the reason it’s become the “ideological equivalent of HIV” is because it’s managed to exploit that tactic.

  110. Pedro the Ignorant

    Greatest cavalry charge in history?

    The Royal Scots Greys at Waterloo.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Scotland_Forever%21.jpg

  111. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Huck, you need to find a Traddie church to attend with the kids. It makes a huge difference, especially for the boys, I’ve noticed.

    And I loooove the Winged Hussars. I’d love to see those guys in action but alas! I was born too late.

  112. Huckleberry Chunkwot Minion & Executioner VRWC. BDS.

    Nilk, I don’t believe that there are any of those in my area of regional Victoria.

  113. Gab

    Fantastic news in Hungary. Prime Minister Orban grants voting rights to half a million Hungarians living abroad, assuring his victory in next year’s election:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-hungary-diaspora-votes-idUSBRE94T0TE20130530

    This is what the Fisk Doctrine is all about. Re-engineering the electorate to make it impossible to elect Left-wing governments.

    And it can’t happen soon enough!

  114. nilk, Iron Bogan

    I guess you’re nowhere near Wang or Wodonga then. Both of those have TLMs. Down Sale way there’s also a Low Mass semi-regularly.

    That sucks. I don’t take my girl to church where she goes to school. Father Nice wasn’t very impressed when it came to Latin being mentioned, which is a shame.

  115. Gab

    I quite like this painting of the Battle of Nándorfehérvár, Kingdom of Hungary (present day Belgrade). Kept the invading muslims out for 70 years.

  116. kae

    pete m
    I like your avatar.

  117. Oh, Chuckleberry is a Catholic too?

    Yeah, I can see the charity that oozes out of him in his exchanges with me.

    (Said with just a hint of sarcasm.)

  118. Jessie

    Dover at 9.26
    Danka. Will investigate this brilliant painter.

  119. Andrew

    Well that was an hour of my life that I will never get back. The Whitlam documentary was even more communist than part 1.

  120. Gab

    Oh, Chuckleberry is a Catholic too?

    Yeah, I can see the charity that oozes out of him in his exchanges with me

    You say you are a Catholic too, sfb. I’ll have chance to remind you of your above comment soon enough.

  121. Fleeced

    Well that was an hour of my life that I will never get back. The Whitlam documentary was even more communist than part 1.

    I’ll never understand why you guys insist on watching crap on the ABC like Insiders, Q&A, biased news reports and shitty documentaries. Don’t you have something else you could watch?

  122. Andrew

    I’ll never understand why you guys insist on watching crap on the ABC like Insiders, Q&A, biased news reports and shitty documentaries. Don’t you have something else you could watch?

    I stupidly thought it would be interesting. While it has a real commie spin on it, some of the ‘historical facts’ were interesting.

    The documentary shows how the Left have been winning the culture wars in Australia through altering history to suit the narrative they want.

  123. Fleeced

    The documentary shows how the Left have been winning the culture wars in Australia through altering history to suit the narrative they want.

    Yes, and no doubt kids will be forced to watch at school to learn Australian political “history”… *sigh*

  124. C.L.

    Steve, you seem to think that charity means (exclusively) ‘niceness.’

    It really does mark you as a 1970s dinosaur.

    Interesting turn of phrase too for a supposed ‘Catholic.’

    ‘Oh I see so-and-so is a Catholic too (snear, snarl).’

    It’s all collapsing now, isn’t it? Your act, I mean.

  125. Fleeced

    Speaking of watching stuff at school… I remember watching Wall Street (I think for Commerce or something – can’t quite remember), and though it was clear that Gecko was supposed to be the “bad guy”, he made a lot of sense in what he said. LOL. I suspect that wasn’t the intention.

  126. Gab, I will be endeavouring to stay away from here for while. It is taking up too much time.

    And besides, it now looks like an ad for a gay sauna, and I am embarrassed to have my kids see it over my shoulder.

  127. Fleeced

    And besides, it now looks like an ad for a gay sauna

    Oh, it uses the same theme as the other blog you frequent?

  128. JC

    Gab, I will be endeavouring to stay away from here for while.

    That’s good.

    It is taking up too much time.

    You really mean your husband is up in arms about not doing the household chores.

  129. JC

    and though it was clear that Gecko was supposed to be the “bad guy”, he made a lot of sense in what he said. LOL.

    The thing that amazed me about Gecko was that scene where he was barking trade order over the phone. I couldn’t believe they were of such a small size and the lot size was about the same as what I used to do at the time and his was supposed to be a big time swinging dick.

  130. CL, I genuinely don’t like overly liberal Catholicism. You would know that I strongly attacked and ridiculed Peter Kennedy at St Mary’s South Brisbane, and had a brother who was sympathetic to them, but finally saw that it was a dead end and gave up on them.

    But the threads here have taught me to dislike the current flavour of Right wing Catholicism as manifest in those who are strong Traditionalist Catholics even more.

    It has been educational in that regard.

  131. Fleeced

    The thing that amazed me about Gecko was that scene where he was barking trade order over the phone. I couldn’t believe they were of such a small size and the lot size was about the same as what I used to do at the time and his was supposed to be a big time swinging dick.

    That’s the sort of detail only someone “in the know” would notice… and now would likely just put down to inflation making the movie dated.

  132. kae

    I love the Winged Hussars (we could do with some of them these days!). However, because if this:

    And besides, it now looks like an ad for a gay sauna, and I am embarrassed to have my kids see it over my shoulder.

    I think we should keep the one we have.

    ;)

  133. Tiny Dancer

    Steves parole has been revoked

  134. dover_beach

    Yeah, I can see the charity that oozes out of him in his exchanges with me.

    Anyone that speaks to you is being charitable, sfb; if they do so without being rude they are being saintly.

  135. JC

    CL, I genuinely don’t like overly liberal Catholicism.

    We believe you Stepford. We have no reason not to. In fact your blog header states quite clearly that you’re “conservative leaning”, so of course we’re taking you for how you describe yourself.

  136. C.L.

    Australian produced television is embarrassingly obsessed with fitting “gay themes” into ever single show they produce.

    It’s really getting quite absurd.

    Yes.

    It’s done on purpose – to regularise and normalise weird ideas like gay ‘marriage,’ the notion that sodomy is just another sexuality ‘choice’ etc.

    Notice, however, that they never include homosexual sex scenes.

    As long as it’s being nice to Mike, the gay office colleague or ‘brave’ fireman – OK.

    But depicting their sexuality, physically, would disgust viewers and cause advertisers to bolt.

    Probably the most hilariously absurd TV program at the moment is House Husbands – a show meant to ideologically train viewers into thinking motherhood is just a skillset – one with no particular relationship to gender.

    I’ve only seen the ads but apparently a ‘much-loved’ character has been killed off already – a sure ratings signal that it’s about to be cancelled. A program whose male characters don’t appeal to women and don’t appeal to men. Yeah, that’s gunna last.

  137. JC

    Anyone that speaks to you is being charitable, sfb; if they do so without being rude they are being saintly.

    Saintly? Almost godlike I would have thought.

  138. JC

    Australian produced television is embarrassingly obsessed with fitting “gay themes” into ever single show they produce.

    It’s really getting quite absurd.

    Yes.

    They picked that crap up from the US. They started that crap there in the mid to late 90s’. It’s not even original.

  139. Tintarella di Luna

    Woe – Leonidas as the banner barer of the new look Cat – what a guy against overwhelming odds – emblematic.

  140. C.L.

    Re the header banner: bumped from the New Look thread…

    Great choice.

    Xerxes as exemplar of ravenous monster statism and an elect refusing to bow down.

    Perfect.

    Small government, freedom?

    “This is blasphemy, this is madness!”

    The hole awaits them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qR0Uke2XNI

    —————————————–

    That’s Gab (for the Cat women) nodding in the background, by the way. :)

  141. Gab

    Yes, I look rather relaxed after visiting the local spa salon for a massage and couldn’t be bothered to speak :)

  142. Gab

    lol I crack myself up sometimes. I saw this headline

    Hanson to stand in federal election

    and had to look twice as I thought it said funeral election.

  143. Tintarella di Luna

    That’s Gab (for the Cat women) nodding in the background, by the way.

    That wouldn’t be the Your Sanctuary Day Spa would it Gab? You’re a good walkin’ non-talkin’ advertisement in that case. Mmmm mm, yes. Must get the number though unless they still use the rack the tall and willowy will be lost on me.

  144. Gab

    Yes, well, at 1.5875m I can only look up to tall and willowy…

  145. Splatacrobat

    What about the painting of the defence at Rourkes Drift for the banner?

  146. dover_beach

    As long as it’s being nice to Mike, the gay office colleague or ‘brave’ fireman – OK.

    But depicting their sexuality, physically, would disgust viewers and cause advertisers to bolt.

    This point was made in a recent post I read however I can’t remember the site. It related in particular to the recent film Behind the Candelabra which went straight to HBO because the studios weren’t prepared to screen it in the theatres because of the simulated sex scenes.

    So far as House Husbands is concerned, I’ve watched it here and there but I’ve never seen even moderately intimate contact between the two men; however, they are always surrounded by children.

  147. Tintarella di Luna

    At 150cm I can only look up to Gab.

    Me too

  148. C.L.

    Police state USA – a country now irrevocably wrecked by the left:

    Kindergartener interrogated over cap gun until he pees his pants, then suspended 10 days.

    The boy, 4, was interrogated for two hours without his mother.

    He had shown his toy cap gun to another boy in the bus that morning.

  149. C.L.

    So far as House Husbands is concerned, I’ve watched it here and there but I’ve never seen even moderately intimate contact between the two men…

    Oh, it has a homosexual couple too?

    LOL.

  150. kae

    I’m 169 cm.

    I’ll fetch you all a box to stand on…

  151. Huckleberry Chunkwot Minion & Executioner VRWC. BDS.

    Steve, you are a vile smelling piece of dogshit stuck on the sole of humanity.
    One can only hope that this time you are true to your word and don’t come back.

  152. Tintarella di Luna

    Police state USA – a country now irrevocably wrecked by the left:

    Kindergartener interrogated over cap gun until he pees his pants, then suspended 10 days.

    And IT says Australia is a toilet? in that case the USA is the S-bend.

  153. Gab

    I’m 169 cm.

    I’ll fetch you all a box to stand on…

    :P

  154. C.L.

    Speaking of children being interrogated for two hours, let’s roll things back and not get swamped by the news cycle.

    Lawyer Michael Kroger – hardly a hard-core anarchist – this morning said that the 13 year-old child bullied by whining flake Adam Goodes was “harrassed” by police for two hours.

    We ask again: when are the security guards going to be charged and when is the Victorian Police Minister going to announce an inquiry?

  155. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m 169 cm.

    I’ll fetch you all a box to stand on…

    OMG — kae you’re modwel material –

  156. Tintarella di Luna

    … let’s roll things back and not get swamped by the news cycle.

    Gxactly – C.L. – the family should be using the full force of the law against the law enforcers. That’ll make ‘em wake up to themselves the lynch-mob unleashed on that little girl should have the frighteners put on ‘em all. Right prats and poseurs the lot.

  157. Tintarella di Luna

    It’s that time again – time to say buona notte gatti e gattine.

  158. m0nty

    Of course this is not inevitable. The Israelis and Americans have so far stopped Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iraq from obtaining WMD, and have everywhere stopped Islamists from obtaining them. It merely becomes more difficult to stop them, you imbecile.

    Yeah, heckuva job preventing the spread of WMDs to Pakistan, where the Taliban controls much of the country. Good to see you admit Iraq didn’t have them.

    His logic does not bear much scrutiny.

    Not to a terminally bewildered racist it doesn’t. To anyone able to follow a thought model, it does, and it also points to his main point being correct, face down the islamists and destroy them while you can, or risk disaster

    You are congenitally unable to grasp this.

    I grasp it just fine, I just think it is loony and based on an insanely extremist world view.

    Mutually Assured Destruction was always insane,

    And of course it worked until the evil socilaist regimes it deterred collapsed under the weight of the stupidity of socialism. If it worked, it is not ‘insane’, merely a deterrence structure that functioned as designed.

    Wait, so did Russia collapse due to MAD or socialism? Get your story straight, Mk50.

    but applying it to the WoT is even more crazy because the situation is not really the same.

    And that’s the point you lack the wit to comprehend: the only one applying MAD here is you. As Fernandez descr4ibes, MAD does not work against a distributed threat. A distributed threat cannot be deterred by MAD.

    You are in the pathetic and ludicrous position of claiming Fernandez is saying what he specifically rejects, and criticising him for it.

    He is using the same logic as MAD! He is using it to justify a policy to murder a billion Muslims in retaliation for half a million American lives lost to terrorism. You are in the pathetic and ludicrous position of defending the fevered reasoning of a crank.

    Holding the lives of a billion Muslims hostage sounds too much like terrorism to me.

    You really are an unspeakable cretin. No-one is saying this except you. What Fernandez is saying is that this may be the outcome if the islamists are not destroyed or at least suppressed through successful prosecution of the WoT. You are utterly unable to understand that this is teh outcome Fernandez specifically wants to avoid.

    Fernandez is trying to justify all the outrages against liberty and justice of the War on Terror by telling Muslims to cooperate, lest they be part of the billion murdered by America in some chickenhawk fantasy of retribution. What he is doing is trying to defend the use of drones, water boarding, extrajudicial rendition, Gitmo, torture and all the other wrongs committed by America, because these are all inconsequential as Americans are actually saving those billion Muslims from turning to ashes. He wants America to be congratulated for NOT nuking Muslim nations. He has been watching too much 24.

  159. dover_beach

    Speaking of art, this beauty currently adorns my deskstop. I also like the quotation that is associated with this scene.

    P.S. I notice that many of these paintings are by the French.

  160. C.L.

    Science not settled: this is big.

    CFCs ‘are the real culprit in global warming’ .

    BANNED aerosols that caused the ozone hole – not carbon dioxide – were responsible for global warming since the 1970s, according to published research from one of Canada’s leading universities.

    The research predicts global temperatures will continue to fall for the next 50 to 70 years and sea levels will rise for two decades before starting to retreat.

    The peer-reviewed research by Qing-Bin Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy, biology and chemistry at Waterloo University, was published in the International Journal of Modern Physics B.

    The findings of Professor Lu’s paper – Cosmic-Ray-Driven Reaction and Greenhouse Effect of Halogenated Molecules: Culprits for Atmospheric Ozone Depletion and Global Climate Change – are at odds with the consensus view that climate change is driven by increasing concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere. Waterloo University said Professor Lu’s research provided “new fundamental understanding of the ozone hole and global climate change”. Critics said it might be “nothing more than coincidental correlation”, but it warranted further study.

  161. WhaleHunt Fun

    Interesting C.L. Wait till Fairfax finds out and starts grilling the alarmists, and wait, and wait, still waiting.
    Bet it takes a long time for them to start.

  162. WhaleHunt Fun

    Nuke ‘em till they glow, then shoot ‘em in the dark.
    Works for me.
    And a billion dead for one single death sounds totally justified to me.
    The reason people are allowed by those who can kill them, to continue to live, is that they provide benefit or at least no harm. Break that safety line and you die.
    That is the real world.

  163. jumpnmcar

    THE AMAZING US MORPHING POLITICAL CAMPAIGN MONEY MAP 2008.

    Makes me want to see an Australian map done the same way reflecting electorates by ” promised $$$ ” or ” mentions by campaigners ” as well as political propaganda $$$.

  164. Tom

    steve from brisbane
    #869744, posted on June 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Gab, I will be endeavouring to stay away from here for while. It is taking up too much time.
    And besides, it now looks like an ad for a gay sauna, and I am embarrassed to have my kids see it over my shoulder.

    Being a sociopath, the deranged shit bucket doesn’t mean it.

  165. Tom

    Henry’s a beaut read this morning (no doubt he’ll post it later):

    Commentators such as Tingle, who refer to the fall in Howard’s structural surplus from its 2002-03 peak to more reasonable levels as a “deterioration”, are therefore showcasing their economic illiteracy. Rather, reducing distorting taxes, such as the fuel excise (which cost the community 70c in lost output for every $1 of revenue raised), was exactly the right thing to do.

    And that was even more true as the Howard government, contrary to Labor’s favourite myth, was lowering the ratio of government spending to GDP, which fell from 25 per cent in 2001 to 23.1 per cent in 2007, while the ratio of revenues to GDP had risen to 25.7 per cent by 2005-06 – despite reductions in income tax rates and the fuel excise.

    And yet half the road warriors on the 6am flights this morning will be reading the disinformative socialist pig’s swill in the AFR. When will the Oz go tabloid? Worth at least 10% in boosted circulation for the convenience, IMO.

  166. Potemkin’s Village

    That woman speak eighteen languages… here

  167. Tom

    Can I ask Jacques if it is possible to restore the time of day to the summary of each posting? E.G., could we change:

    Posted on June 2, 2013 by Sinclair Davidson

    to

    Posted at 9.32pm on June 2, 2013 by Sinclair Davidson

    ?

    At the moment, the only way of knowing approximately when a post was put up is the date and time of the first comment.

  168. Tom

    This is comical: Three months before The Wipeout, Shane Wand pulls another unicorn from the magician’s hat:

    The time may not indeed be right for an immediate referendum, but it is my belief that it is always the right time to argue for the merits of a republic and prepare the ground for future constitutional change. The road to an Australian republic is a long one, without a timetable, and so the journey must continue.

    The case for a republic is as simple as it is compelling, and one that I have been making since my maiden parliamentary speech in 1993. Ultimately it’s about democratic principle. How can it be that in a modern democracy one of our own citizens can never aspire to be our head of state? How can inherited privilege be the sole qualification? As a passionate Labor supporter, I add an extra question: how can we be a truly egalitarian nation when the humblest and best Australian cannot aim for the highest office in the land?

    To me these questions are ultimately without answer.

  169. Blogstrop

    As a passionate Labor supporter, I add an extra question: how can we be a truly egalitarian nation when the humblest and best Australian cannot aim for the highest office in the land?

    That’s rich, coming from the mob that has elevated jobs for the boys and girls to epidemic scale.

  170. Blogstrop

    Re Science not settled, above. Now, now, CL, you know that any theory not cleaving to the bosom of rising temps is wrong, wrong, wrong. While not in the pay of big CFC, these non-compliant so-called scientists have blasphemed the AGW parakeet and will be drummed out of town by the high priests and acolytes of the Climate Church.

  171. Blogstrop

    While the sight of monty attacking Fernandez has some comic potential, it being such a mismatch of intellects, I can only hope that he sees the fine example set by his closest relative here, and takes a long walk in the snow.

  172. Tom

    Strop, Delingpole’s column lampooning the recantation by one of Britain’s high-profile AGW trough slurpers is delicious.

  173. Blogstrop

    Now that mont’s consumed in chasing his tail on the Fernandez question, I think I can chalk that one up as a win for the counter-troll tactic.

  174. Popular Front

    Leonidas and the 300 as the header!

    Coupled with what looks like two blokes having a pash right of centre. erg.

  175. Blogstrop

    Yes, Tom, good one. Speaking of snouts and troughs, a while back I thought “what’s happened to those troughs of low pressure that we used to get?” but they’re back regularly now, and one just dumped rain across NSW to get the next wheat crop started. Cool start to winter this year.

  176. Blogstrop

    Ha! PF, you may recall Basil Faulty’s remark on hearing that the chef making a pass at Manuel was Greek:
    “Greek? They invented homosexuality!”

    Probably got the idea from the Arabs though.

  177. Popular Front

    Greatest cavalry charge in history?

    The Australian Light Horse at Beersheba.

  178. Blogstrop

    While on the subject of cavalry, Edwin Ramsay died recently. His exploits in WW2 are worth a read in this obituary in the Independent. Apart from leading the last US cavalry charge, which seems to have been quite successful, he went on to establish a pattern of guerilla warfare against the Japanese which earned him the respect of the Phillipinos who fought with him, as well as Macarthur who personally pinned the medals on him later.

    Link

  179. irving J

    He is using it to justify a policy to murder a billion Muslims in retaliation for half a million American lives lost to terrorism

    there is no need to kill a billion muslims to end the current outbreak. We only need to kill a few million. The question is which? The answer is to trace back the current virulent outbreak back to its source, which is saudi arabia.

    Marginalise countries that enforce punishment for apostasy. Criminalise anyone in the west who tries to punish apostasy. Criminalise anyone who says you must hate what their diety says you must hate.

    Stop importation of cultists. Export cultists for any breach of local law, strip citizenship from cultists.

    Politicians need to have the balls to declare islam a cult and not subject to any form of religious protection.

    At the moment the only virulence that is being recognised is AQ. Obama is already assassinating its members on mass. This needs to be broadened to include the benefactors and silent force behind the current outbreak, this means removing oil dependence on the middle east, (in progress) and giving the saudis a clear ultimatum, fly a secular flag or die.

  180. Aaron

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/political-rivals-set-aside-differences-for-republic-20130602-2nk4a.html

    The republic movement in Australia must be struggling if its dual figureheads are a perfumed gigolo and the village idiot.

  181. Token

    The republic movement in Australia must be struggling if its dual figureheads are a perfumed gigolo and the village idiot.

    Just when the Coalition should be putting pressure on Goose for his inept economic performance, Malcolm Turnbull once again shows why he is unfit to be party leader.

  182. Token

    there is no need to kill a billion muslims to end the current outbreak. We only need to kill a few million.

    .
    No-one needs to kill anyone.
    .
    If our society needs to be brave and honest enough to shine the spotlight of truth on how out of touch too many parts of the holy text of Islam are. As Nilk notes, they are the writings of the leader of a sect in an ancient civil war, and thus the relevant passages need to be exercised.
    .
    The problems are our society is not brave and honest, and the people whose holy book it is are not willing to exercise the dated ultra-violent anti-civilised passages.

  183. WhaleHunt Fun

    Perhaps just nuke Mecca and Medina so that there is no centre to the faith. No one needs die except Allah.

  184. brc

    A program whose male characters don’t appeal to women and don’t appeal to men. Yeah, that’s gunna last.

    There is a reason that the James bond franchise is still in business 45 years later. Tv producers keep forgetting that people watch tv for a bit of escapism and fun, and continually getting lectured about not being socially hip in attitude takes the gloss off any plot line.

  185. Tom

    Retard gropes retard. Gittins proclaims:

    Professor Ross Garnaut, now at the University of Melbourne, is our most prophetic economist.

    Under the headline “Garnaut cries from the wilderness”, Gittins does the full zombie kumbaya:

    Garnaut offers a further warning to those who, like the Business Council, dream of ”reforms” that advance their private interests at the expense of the rest of us. Reform must be clearly in the public interest if certain groups are to be persuaded to cop losses for the greater good.

    Finally, ”it is a lesson of Australian history that successful periods of restraint require the equitable sharing of sacrifice”. Developing a framework of equity will be important to the success of a choice by the nation to put the public interest ahead of business as usual.

  186. jumpnmcar

    LOL
    The Social Engineers, part 1.
    People really do think this way.

  187. irving J

    As Nilk notes, they are the writings of the leader of a sect in an ancient civil war, and thus the relevant passages need to be exercised.

    you mean excised.
    .
    This belief displays a deep seated fundamental lack of understanding of islam.
    .
    Anyone that changes a single word of islam’s holy book is the worst of the worst, is kafir.

    Why do you think killing a Shia is equivalent to killing a 80 christians or jews?

    http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/07/why-is-islam-so-successful.html

    “27. If Muslims drift away from Mohammed’s teachings, Allah will end the world. That makes converting others and promoting Islam a matter of survival.”

    Preventing any splintering or modification of islam is a life and death affair for muslims.
    .
    Even in so called “moderate” islamist countries subjugation of splinter sects is paramount.

    Malaysia bans Shias from promoting their faith
    .
    Moderate indonesian islamists openly slaughter breakaway islamic sect members
    .
    There can be no modifying, excising or re-interpreting anything in the koran.

    This virus is aggressively self replicating, and built to avoid any deviation from its core mission to subjugate the entire planet.
    .
    Any other ideas?

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Popular Front, I’ll pay you the Light Horse charge at Bersheeba, but I do think an honorable mention would be anything led by J.E.B. Stewart, or if political correctness allows, Nathan Bedford Forrest.

  189. Helen Armstrong

    That bloke who has resigned down from swimming Australia. I am a bit uneasy about how it was handled, the whole guilty before investigation aspect, together with the full press media announcement has destroyed this man’s career.

    Then I hear it was a reference to a dildo and some inference he was ‘like a donkey’ himself. Which tells me he is a prat. What would I have done? Told him to pull his head in and grow up, that if he expects to lead people then the onus is on him to set the example and that making comments like that is not very smart or strategic.

    But my real unease comes form the idea that women want it all, but they really don’t want it all, ‘all’ has to be on their terms. That is these types of conversations and asides can be made by men to men without a second thought – in the workplace or down the pub. And they are not hung out to dry for making them. Is this an example of entrenched sexism, or is it just blokes being blokes, and recognizing that blokes can revert to teenagers very easily?

    Women want to be equal in the workplace, but not they also want to redecorate the workplace to something else without considering the original inhabitants. Where do you draw the line of compromise? I don’t know, but I do think these women could have invested in some comeback skills rather than reach for the ruler. Skillfully used, scorn can be such a withering weapon, in more ways than one.

  190. C.L.

    Why can’t an adult accused be named?

    18yo fronts court over Joan Ryther’s murder at Logan.

    A 18-year-old has appeared briefly in the Beenleigh Magistrates Court charged with the rape and murder of a pregnant woman at Logan, south of Brisbane…

    The 18-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons…

    I can only guess.

    Mrs Ryther’s husband Cory was in court for the hearing.

    Indigenous elders were also at the court supporting the accused.

  191. C.L.

    If that’s what the Swimming Australia boss said, I have no problem with him being sacked.

  192. C.L.

    Can the ‘nuke a billion/million Muslims’ crowd fuck off to another blog?

    Seriously.

    This isn’t fucking Storm Front.

  193. kae

    CL

    He’s from Cherbourg.

  194. H B Bear

    The Pieman goes into his preferred superhero mode to save Western Sydney marginals … er people. Bloody whingers. Give ‘em an NBN and they start complaining it will kill them.

    Serial failure Stephen Conroy nowhere to be seen of course.

  195. C.L.

    The hyper-sensitivity about that British affair scandal makes me wonder if there isn’t a royal involved.

  196. C.L.

    Yothu Yindi frontman Mandawuy Yunupingu dead at 56.

  197. Cold-Hands

    Well that was an hour of my life that I will never get back. The Whitlam documentary was even more communist than part 1.

    Can’t wait for this week’s Media Watchdog to see what Gerard has to say.

  198. C.L.

    Yet another Obama-endorsed Occupy terrorist incident:

    Bomb-Making Chemicals, Assault Rifles Found in Doctor’s Home, Prosecutor Says.

    Large amounts of chemicals commonly used to make bombs were found in the basement of a New Jersey doctor, along with assault rifles and a stun gun, prosecutors said today.

    Dr. Roberto Rivera, 60, who according to some reports was active in the Occupy Wall Street movement last year, was arrested following a Friday night raid on his Ridgewood, N.J., home.

  199. I didn’t watch the Whitlam hagiography, but I did hear Wayne Swan this morning referring to the dismissal as evidence that we are unfairly ruled by a queen who “lives in a castle”. However, contrariwise, the dismissal of Whitlam, and the subsequent lesson of HM the Queen, wherein she explained to Mr. Whitlam that she had no power to overturn the decision of the Head of State—i.e., the Governor-General—demonstrates that we are already independent with a Head of State of our own.

  200. m0nty

    Smoking gun found:

    Where? All I see is hearsay.

  201. Gab

    Mrs Ryther’s husband Cory was in court for the hearing.

    Indigenous elders were also at the court supporting the accused.

    I was wondering why this rape/murder case has received little publicity compared with the Jill Meagher case.

  202. irving J

    Al-Qa’ida caught making poison gas in Iraq

    “The wave of violence comes about 18 months after the last US troops left Iraq, which is neither secure nor stable more than a decade after the US-led invasion of the country.

    A count by the news agency Agence France Presse, based on information from security and medical sources, put last month’s toll at 614 people killed and 1550 wounded, while data from government ministries showed 681 had died and 1097 were wounded.

    The UN gave a significantly higher toll of 1045 killed and 2397 wounded”

  203. Gab

    SECRET correspondence between Julia Gillard and the ACTU reveals she opposed the union movement’s push for compulsory arbitration of workplace disputes, despite Labor now legislating to give unions broader access to arbitration.

    Opposition workplace relations spokesman Eric Abetz said the latest proposals were in “direct contradiction” to Ms Gillard’s letter and the legal advice.

    “It’s very clear from the government’s own legal advice that the introduction of compulsory arbitration would, to quote Ms Gillard herself, ‘create significant undesirable uncertainty around the validity of agreements, the bargaining framework and the FW Act as a whole’,” Senator Abetz said.

    “Labor is prepared to unleash a pitbull of uncertainty which flies in the face of their own legal advice just to appease extreme union bosses at the Victorian Trades Hall, who said that they wouldn’t support Labor unless it was introduced.

  204. Tom

    Paul Sheehan’s demolition of the ABC’s appointment of a feral Labor barracker as an impartial “fact checker”:

    Abetz (at last week’s Senate Estimates hearing): ”What about this tweet: ‘Another take on Julia Gillard PM: grace under pressure’? This is just cheer-squad stuff from the person you have appointed as an allegedly impartial fact-finder.” He contrasted this with a selection of Skelton’s displays of scorn for the Opposition Leader: ”Abbott’s extremism on display”, ”Abbott now a liability, a proverbial albatross”, ”Abbott refusing to do his homework”.

    Abetz: ”Do you still believe, given all this evidence, that Mr Skelton is a suitable appointment to this task?”

    Scott: ”We will judge him on the work that he does.”

    Abetz: ”Isn’t it a fundamental requirement that the position of fact checker be filled by a person without any perceived biases?”

    Scott: ”Yes.”

    The fact-checking unit’s reputation for impartiality is thus stillborn. Management has blundered. The Coalition will remember.

    Throughout these exchanges, the Communications Minister Stephen Conroy maintained a stream of interference on behalf of Scott, interjecting more than 40 times. This merely served to reinforce everything Abetz was saying about bias.

    And a reminder that leftists lie about everything:

    Here I make two personal notes. The first is that Mark Scott is an old comrade of mine at the Herald, and I know him to be a good person and a fine manager. At the committee, he was in damage control. The other note is that when I was scrolling through Skelton’s Twitter feed, fact-checking Abetz’s remarks, I was gob-smacked to discover a tweet that Skelton had posted on October 10: ”This column by @Paul_Sheehan_ originally said ‘he (Tony Abbott) raised 3 daughters, something she (Julia Gillard) was unable to do’ #vomit.”

    It was a retweet of a tweet by Mia Freedman. At least Freedman had the decency to publish a retraction after the Herald’s news director pointed out that this was a fabrication. Skelton, the ABC’s fact-checker-in-chief, did not check the lie. He just passed it on, and let it stand, unchecked, uncorrected and unpleasant.

  205. Gab

    Labor elder and former ACTU chief Simon Crean has called on unions to produce evidence of rorts and malpractice in the 457 visa program, as the Gillard government flagged stricter tests for business and more fines.

    Nice try, Simon. And you know very well there is no evidence of the “10,000″ cases.

  206. jumpnmcar

    I have a theory the the ” PC bullshit level ” or “confected Outrage meter ” can be directly correlated, in this country, to the sales numbers of Kevin Bloody Wilson albums.
    He started his career under Whitlam.
    Got thrown off air ( radio ) under Fraser.
    Released 7 albums under Hawke ( won an ARIA in 87 and nominated in 92 )
    Released 5 under Keating ( nominated for ARIA in 93 )
    Released 6 under Howard ( nominated 02 )
    Released 1 under Rudd.
    Released ZERO under Gillard.

    The country has changed since 07. I defy any of the over 40s that now wait anxiously for the next issue or quote to get all outraged about to swear they never purchased or giggled at a Kevin Bloody Wilson song.
    Here’s hoping tolerance and humour return post September 13.

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The Whitlam documentary was even more communist than part 1.

    We had it on in the background. What got me were the reverential hushed tones of the Voice Over as the narrative was elaborated: he did no wrong, he is a Saint, he came to save us, it was everyone else’s fault.

  208. Gab

    it was everyone else’s fault.

    Labor’s motto.

  209. papachango

    Just when the Coalition should be putting pressure on Goose for his inept economic performance, Malcolm Turnbull once again shows why he is unfit to be party leader.

    True, but maybe there’s abit of strategy there to make the republic thing bipartisan (or at least not exclusively Labore), to negate any advantage in votes for Goose.

  210. dover_beach

    Scott: ”If there are concerns about the performance of that unit, I am sure they will generate attention here.”
    Abetz: ”Yes, but it will all be too late after the election.”

    Game. Set. Match.

    Sinestra delenda est.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I did look closely at him during that ‘nothing will save the Governor-General’ speech.

    He is playing to the crowd, I said in astonishment to Da Hairy Ape. He actually expects to win. You can see on his face, in his body language, his whole attitude, he really thinks this will blow over for him.

    I’ve never thought about his actions during this crisis being explained in this way before. That he was so damned arrogant and out-of-touch that he couldn’t see the nature of the hole he was in and thought the country would vote him in again because he was making it plain he felt insulted.

  212. C.L.

    I didn’t watch the Whitlam hagiography, but I did hear Wayne Swan this morning referring to the dismissal as evidence that we are unfairly ruled by a queen who “lives in a castle”.

    Good God, what an imbecile.

    Whitlam was dismissed by old-world Labor man, John Kerr – the boilermaker’s son.

    You know, the same John Kerr appointed by Whitlam.

  213. C.L.

    Whitlam was a criminal douchebag – simple as that.

    He was the spoiled brat son of a Canberra mandarin (the Solicitor-General) and he utterly hated Australians.

  214. Gab

    EVEN in the ALP’s last-held mainland state, federal Labor politicians are going to great lengths to airbrush any links to their party ahead of the September election.

    Just as some of their colleagues in other parts of the country have done, Labor MPs in South Australia are producing pre-election material with no mention of key words such as “Labor”, “ALP” or “Julia Gillard”.

    Red ink, usually associated with Labor, has been replaced on most flyers with the royal blue traditionally used by the conservative side of politics.

    Childcare Minister Kate Ellis, who holds Adelaide with a margin of 7.5 per cent, this week distributed an eight-page newsletter without a mention anywhere in it of Labor or the Prime Minister, even though she is one of Ms Gillard’s strongest supporters.

    Amanda Rishworth, who holds the southern Adelaide seat of Kingston for Labor with a 14.6 per cent margin, distributed a flyer last month that also contained no mention of the ALP or the Gillard government.

    In the western Adelaide seat of Hindmarsh, held by Labor’s Steve Georganas with a 6.1 per cent buffer, a re-election flyer was sent out to homes with no reference to the ALP.

    Mr Georganas listed the “Top 5″ reasons people should vote for him, including projects funded by the federal government, but did not once link these achievements to Labor.

    LABOR’s Jason Clare has also ditched the red in preference of the Liberal blue on T-shirts with no mention of the Labor brand.

    And some Labor MP websites are in blue, not the Labor red, with the ALP/Labor logo missing or “prominently” displayed at the end of the page in small font. Such as Anthony Byrne, Peter Garrett, Mark Butler…

  215. C.L.

    Wow.

    Gillard’s asbestos disaster will end up costing billions:

    Oh, 457 anyone?

    Government to discuss fund for people exposed to asbestos during NBN rollout.

    Penrith resident Matthew O’Farrell says he and his family, including a 12-week-old baby, have had to evacuate to a motel.

    He said contractors could not tell him what they were doing because they could not speak English, and he found out via an online article.

    “The work that was getting carried out obviously made me sick after reading this,” Mr O’Farrell told ABC News Breakfast.

    “They were hitting the concrete pits with sledgehammers, picks and crowbars, it was all over my driveway, my yard, my bins and also all over the gentlemen.”

  216. C.L.

    I was wondering why this rape/murder case has received little publicity compared with the Jill Meagher case.

    Interesting comparison, Gab.

    Also, Jill Meagher worked at the ABC. Joan Ryther was a Filipino migrant who worked at McDonald’s.

  217. m0nty

    “The work that was getting carried out obviously made me sick after reading this,” Mr O’Farrell told ABC News Breakfast.

    Oh, good to see he had to read something before he decided to get sick.

  218. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Women want to be equal in the workplace, but now they also want to redecorate the workplace to something else without considering the original inhabitants. Where do you draw the line of compromise? I don’t know, but I do think these women could have invested in some comeback skills rather than reach for the ruler. Skillfully used, scorn can be such a withering weapon, in more ways than one.

    I agree, Helen. I don’t think it was a sackable offense. Merely a stupid comment by a dickhead (note my sexist choice of language here). As I’ve said on a recent thread on racism, the zeitgeist should be self-policing when it comes to matters of taste and offense; the same with sexism. As I am a street fighter, a withering ‘eeyore’ accompanied by ‘donkey brain’ or ‘dildo head’ would be my response to an idiot making such conversation in a lift where women are present (which is where it apparently happened). Then you get out. Mission accomplished. Forget the matter.

    Other women may be more restrained and just coldly say: you have just demeaned yourself with a very inappropriate comment. And then get out. Mission accomplished. Matter forgotten.

    If it happens constantly of course then that is another matter, not forgotten.

  219. Lizzie @ 12.12pm. That was the meaning of the statement “for nothing will save the Governor-General”. Whitlam fully expected to be voted back in, whence he could wreak vengeance on Kerr. His arrogance never contemplated a defeat.

  220. James in Melbourne

    Oh, great. Turnbull has walked into a diversionary trap on the Republic – the last trick left in the ALP playbook.

    Those of us who know our civics once again will have to put up with having our intelligence insulted.

  221. nilk, Iron Bogan.

    I’ll never understand why you guys insist on watching crap on the ABC like Insiders, Q&A, biased news reports and shitty documentaries. Don’t you have something else you could watch?

    Penance. :)

  222. jupes

    Women want to be equal in the workplace, but now they also want to redecorate the workplace to something else without considering the original inhabitants. Where do you draw the line of compromise?

    Well as far as the ADF is concerned you don’t. You just give the feminists whatever they want. Hell, even appoint the Sex Discrimination Commissioner to write the doctrine.

    Winning wars? That was so last century.

  223. Myrrdin Seren

    A figurative “thumbs up” to irving j’s post at 11:13

    A reported plot by al Qaeda in Iraq to make and deploy poison gas.

    A similar report suggests al Qaeda’s Syrian franchise has been intercepted with sarin gas by the Turks.

    And so we move on. As horrific as terrorists with fertiliser bombs, pressure cookers or knives might be – the order of magnitude of potential threat would increase markedly when jihadis with degrees in chemistry arrived on the scene. We appear to be at that point now.

    If we get jihadis with degrees in bacteriology AND the al Qaeda affiliates overrun any of Assad’s bacteriological warfare labs – things could get very ugly in the Middle East in short order.

    If I was the Israelis, for example, I would be strongly considering the risk/reward of taking out any Syrian WMD labs that look like being overrun by whatever means possible.

  224. pete m

    Re the non-disclosure of the guy’s name – he turned 18 the day he was arrested. This means he was 17 on day of alleged offence, therefore a minor and must not be named.

    If convicted he will simply get a life sentence, then up to parole board after 20 years to consider his release. Given rape is alleged, if proven, he will not be released until he has served around 30 – 40 years. Nice way to spend your adulthood.

    On release likely be on a supervision order.

  225. Gab

    What genuine asylum seekers look like. Bring them here.

    After the prayer walk Janssen had the opportunity to meet with Syrian Christian refugees, who told him how they came to flee their homes and villages. Their village was occupied by rebel forces, who proceeded to announce that they were now under an Islamic emirate, and were subject to sharia law.

    The Christian residents were offered four choices:

    1. renounce the ‘idolatry’ of Christianity and convert to Islam;
    2. pay a heavy tribute to the Muslims for the privilege of keeping their heads and their Christian faith (this tribute is known as jizya);
    3. be killed;
    4. flee for their lives, leaving all their belongings behind.

    Some Christians were killed, some fled, some tried to pay the jizya and found it too heavy a burden to bear after the rebels kept increasing the amount they had to pay, and some were unable to flee or pay, so they converted to Islam to save themselves.

    The scenario reported by Syrian refugees is a re-enactment of the historic fate of Christians across the Middle East.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    I’ll never understand why you guys insist on watching crap on the ABC like Insiders, Q&A, biased news reports and shitty documentaries. Don’t you have something else you could watch?

    Penance.

    Penance?
    You must have done some baaaad shit, Nilk.

  227. nilk, Iron Bogan.

    This point was made in a recent post I read however I can’t remember the site. It related in particular to the recent film Behind the Candelabra which went straight to HBO because the studios weren’t prepared to screen it in the theatres because of the simulated sex scenes.

    I read that too. I think it was one of the Breitbart sites.

  228. entropy

    A short summary of the difference between Campbell Newman and Barry O’Farrell, from a media releas on the state of origin:

    Mr Newman said he was keen for the traditional bet with his New South Wales counterpart Barry O’Farrell.
    “The Queensland flag has flown proudly over the Sydney Harbour Bridge for the last seven years, and I look forward to seeing it take centre stage again this year,” he said.
    “I noticed that Premier O’Farrell has put his faith in the New South Wales team based on the predictions of a dugong.
    “I put my faith in the Queensland team based on the talent and spirit they have shown over many years.”

  229. nilk, Iron Bogan.

    Leigh, my first time back at Confession after years away the priest had to kick me out to allow the other penitents to Confess before the end of Mass lol. :D

  230. brc

    On the blue/red thing, these things don’t happen by accident. Most tv news channels used to show democrats as red and republicans as blue, by the time bush vanquished gore, it was 50/50. Now of course, “red state” refers to one who votes republican.

    The Libs should make a point of this otherwise they will lose the blue permanently, and probably find themselves allocated revolutionary,communist red.

    A good way to go would be to require that all party affiliations be disclosed in all advertising material, and that political parties can register a color in the same way that trademarks and brands get sorted out.

    Of course, a good guerrilla marketing campaign would be to find a photo with said politicians standing next to Gillard, and letterbox these around.

  231. Leigh Lowe

    Lizzie @ 12.12pm. That was the meaning of the statement “for nothing will save the Governor-General”. Whitlam fully expected to be voted back in, whence he could wreak vengeance on Kerr. His arrogance never contemplated a defeat.

    I have never been sure about that, and who knows?
    I have always interpreted that statement in the light of subsequent revelations that Whitlam had planned to sack Kerr if things turned ugly.
    So whether it was his belief that he would be able to overturn Kerr or win any ensuing election if he didn’t – either way it was unadluterated hubris.
    Had to laugh at the promo with that dweeb Andrew Denton declaring that “it was a fault-line in this country that has never healed
    Really?
    Does he think fights break out in RSL clubs every Saturday night over the dismissal? Does he think that people don’t attend family Christmas dinners because of sides taken in 1975?
    Give me a break.
    It only matters to ageing inner-city GetUp! members who were never part of the sixties but are becoming radical hippies in their sixties.

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    “Penrith resident Matthew O’Farrell says he and his family, including a 12-week-old baby, have had to evacuate to a motel.”

    I sympathise with this family’s concern over ‘asbestos’ in powder form in their front yard.

    But let’s not go overboard about ‘asbestos’.

    It is quite likely this family from Sydney’s West live in a fibro house (one in three houses there have some asbestos in them) possibly with some deteriorating fibro. I did, in my Western Sydney childhood, as we lived in some older, and derelict, public housing places. So there has been a lot of panic on the issue. But much ‘fibro’ is now subjected to a sort of health panic that is fairly unwarranted (as commenters here on the OT noted recently).

    If the Telstra pits are lined with blue asbestos then it certainly is time to be very shielded and careful, especially for the workers. Otherwise, not so much, just follow sensible (not moonscape)protocols for smaller-scale removals of the less toxic ‘fibro’.

  233. Ivan Denisovich

    If we get jihadis with degrees in bacteriology AND the al Qaeda affiliates overrun any of Assad’s bacteriological warfare labs – things could get very ugly in the Middle East in short order.

    If I was the Israelis, for example, I would be strongly considering the risk/reward of taking out any Syrian WMD labs that look like being overrun by whatever means possible.

    http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/2013/05/29/beyond-help/

  234. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh, my first time back at Confession after years away the priest had to kick me out to allow the other penitents to Confess before the end of Mass lol.

    It is far better to list the sins like a rap sheet ….
    Bless me father for I have sinned.
    It has been 1 week since my last confession.
    I wish to plead guilty to Shoplifting (2 counts), Telling lies (5 counts), Impure thoughts (176 counts), masturbation (84 counts), aggravated masturbation (12 counts)

  235. pete m

    Leigh – what defines “aggravated” in your list? Purely hypothetically speaking.

  236. Ivan Denisovich

    And some Labor MP websites are in blue, not the Labor red, with the ALP/Labor logo missing or “prominently” displayed at the end of the page in small font.

    One of several parallels with Queensland 2012:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/pineapplepolitics/index.php/couriermail/comments/alp_candidates_in_hiding/

    The precedent established. The smear settings fixed at incessant, hysterical and shrill:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/pineapplepolitics/index.php/couriermail/comments/the_mud_didnt_stick/

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/newman_cleared_bligh_shamed/

  237. C.L.

    Mr Newman said he was keen for the traditional bet with his New South Wales counterpart Barry O’Farrell.

    BET?!

    This must be stopped immediately!

  238. Rabz

    … in my Western Sydney childhood …

    Hey, I had one of those childhoods too, replete with lashings of good ol’ fibro.

    Those were the days, peoples – fibros V silvertails, to put into into proper perspective.

  239. C.L.

    Re Whitlam’s ‘speech,’ the phrase “well me say… nothing will save…etc” didn’t mean anything.

    It was just a meaningless play on words – like “Kerr’s cur.”

  240. vr

    Death by bicycle

    This is hilarious. There are some wonderful one-liners in this piece.

  241. C.L.

    “well MAY WE say… nothing will save…etc”

    Am juggling a sammich.

  242. Gab

    When you say “juggling”, CL are you anywhere near gillard?

    Are you now, or have you ever been, a Salamist?

  243. C.L.

    No no.

    Who, ME?

    No.

    NO.

    Wasn’t me.

  244. dover_beach

    Salamist Front of Queensland?

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