Guest Post: Dot – Put the Greens last

I’m going to make a plea for people to put the Greens last.

I know people who vote Green are often well intentioned, but you don’t know how you are empowering destructive, clueless fools.

Fishing, mining, agriculture, forestry have all been adversely impacted by their influence or policies.

There has been marginal environmental outcomes and mass unemployment. They are killing regional areas.

The fishing zones proposed by Burke under their direction, will kill off coastal towns in NSW, QLD and WA. It will even impact on the Sydney and Melbourne fish markets.

The Murray Darling Basin plan was simply a spiteful plan to end agriculture by the Greens and a thumbing of the nose to farmers who usually vote Nationals.

There was a reason why at Griffith, the plan was burned in large pyres when Burke turned up to speak.It was based on lies. Water allocations could be cut by huge proportions and only a few hundred jobs would be lost overall, despite the region being our breadbasket and the high inter-industry multiplier of the agricultural industry.

This doesn’t even consider the carbon tax yet. Not only have agricultural and mining industries been battered, manufacturing is being killed off by Green policy.

Australia has masses of what were sustainable native timber industries. Baradine, NSW, used to have a white cypress logging industry. This is a highly valued timber, yet surprise surprise, the resource gets locked up and the nearby towns (Walgett etc) turn to rack and ruin. What do you think is going to happen to Bermagui, NSW or along the coast of QLD if Burke’s fishing zones become law? You can’t rely on the mining boom anymore since Rudd, Gillard, Swan and Brown & Milne have done their best to reduce our coal exporting capacity. Brisbane makes up 25% of the commercial fishers, so it would destroy employment all the way past Cairns.

The value of the catch increases (per boat as well) as you go north, and supports remote Aboriginal communities.

So much for the Greens giving a hoot about indigenous issues! Let’s examine the wilful destruction of the northern cattle industry. That big idiot Ludwig ruined an industry at the snap of his fingers to garner Greens support, based on faked evidence. How many Aboriginal young men did they put out of work by that? The Greens laud themselves as being for opportunity of minorities!

It is of course a sick joke.

At least two more dams could be built as part of the Snowy Mountains Scheme – Murray Gorge and Devil’s Grip Gorge (both on the River Murray). Apart from supplying clean, green energy forever, and the environmental issues being manageable (fish ladders), good luck getting that up now. It could support a new town of perhaps of up to a thousand people and not only produce power for the national grid, reduce infrastructure congestion in the capital cities, as academics and office workers (engineers and the like) move to a regional area. The Greens would oppose such a plan.

Yet we are punitively taxed for using legal sources of fuel. The carbon tax helped contribute to the closure of Australian oil refineries, as the cost of cracking and refining got too high. Also, we are being forced into ugly, sinfully designed blocks and homes, because of the “downsides” to urban sprawl. Sydney can’t expand – of course it can’t like Harry Trugiboff said, half of Sydney is or is surrounded by national parks.

The Greens want to treat you like a lab rat to satisfy their own desires and salve their own twisted consciences.

The Greens are operating a racket to bleed dry those operators they have not outlawed.

We are all suffering, in cities, on farms and in the resources sectors, particularly regional small towns that the NSW Government is looking to amalgamate, because they are financially struggling.

We know who is responsible for their decline, and who would want much more of this. The vision of the Greens is ever expanding bureaucracies paying unsustainably high wages, funded by a pummelled private sector, consisting of an ever shrinking agricultural and natural resources industry base, but enforcing on society, ever expanding taxes and rules.

If you don’t have an opinion, at least speak to some people in these industries or come through some of these towns to form an opinion.

I urge you strongly to please put the Greens dead last on your ballot in this election.

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74 Responses to Guest Post: Dot – Put the Greens last

  1. eb

    I’ve been putting the Greens dead last on my ballot for yonks. And I’m sure a lot of other Cats have as well. You’re preaching to the converted here.

    How can this message get out into the wider populace?

  2. 1735099

    The best argument for voting Green is noname’s advice to do the opposite…..

  3. Infidel tiger

    Will the LDP be preferencing them last?

  4. Sinclair Davidson

    I put the ALP last and will do so again this election. That’s in the House, in the Senate I vote above the line. The ALP are a far greater danger to the economy than the Greens. The ALP might actually form government, The Greens unlikely. In the meantime having Bandt in the House has been fantastic – he took Tanner out of the game (who retired rather than lose his seat) and dragged the ALP to the left – to the extent that they are not electable.

    If the Liberals would preference Greens over the ALP they would eliminate Albanese too – now the only reason you’d keep him in the Parliament is to make him suffer in opposition.

  5. mundi

    It will be very interesting to see how the greens go at this election. The Gillard government was the first time they have had any power, so Aussies have had their first taste of green policies. In the qld election I believe the green vote dropped considerably.

    I’ve said it all along: greens will only end up taking votes from labor.

  6. Lucie

    I’m inclined to agree with Sinclair here – as evil as the Greens are, the priority at this election is to eliminate the clear and present danger that is a continuation of Labor government.

    And getting rid of the sleazy deputy PM (ugh!) would be a bonus.

  7. Rabz

    The ALP might actually form government, The Greens unlikely.

    I’d dispute that – we’ve been burdened with greenfilth ‘policies’ for the last three years, as dot has detailed above.

    Anyway, enough playing nice. I’m sick of this “But I vote for the greenfilth because I’m an idealist, and I care about the planet and carbon and stuff, I tells ya!”

    The greenfilth are utterly disgusting, evil misanthropic deadshits, as are the fucking morons who vote for them.

  8. Rabz

    If the Liberals would preference Greens over the ALP they would eliminate Albanese too

    No – again, Albansleazey may be an utterly ridiculous and almost indescribable imbecile, but Hall Greenfilth, his opponent this election, is far worse. Seriously, this is my old Sydney electorate, so I know it (and the candidates) well.

    And I believe the Liberals preferenced the greenfilth in Grayndler last election as they did in Melbourne. Ultimately, Grayndler wasn’t even close.

  9. Gab

    One thing’s for certain. When Dot says ‘see ya later back at Christmas’, don’t believe him :)

  10. Mindfree

    Preaching to the converted dot…with the exception of captain zero

  11. Sinclair Davidson

    I’d dispute that – we’ve been burdened with greenfilth ‘policies’ for the last three years, as dot has detailed above.

    No – we’ve had ALP policies over the last three years. Don’t make excuses for the ALP either.

  12. Mindfree

    The only thing I would say is that I’m two minds re:Adam Ant ..let him stay and treat him like the village idiot so that he never runs again or better still quits halfway thru..

    Nah second thoughts …get rid of the dbag

  13. Andrew

    I put the ALP last and will do so again this election. That’s in the House, in the Senate I vote above the line. The ALP are a far greater danger to the economy than the Greens. The ALP might actually form government, The Greens unlikely. In the meantime having Bandt in the House has been fantastic – he took Tanner out of the game (who retired rather than lose his seat) and dragged the ALP to the left – to the extent that they are not electable.

    If the Liberals would preference Greens over the ALP they would eliminate Albanese too – now the only reason you’d keep him in the Parliament is to make him suffer in opposition.

    That is ridiculous. Either way, Bandt is going to guarantee Labor supply in motion’s of no confidence and in money bills. As a number on the floor of parliament, he is just another Labor stooge. The difference is that he can hold a Labor government to ransom and push through even more radical policies than the Labor Party would.

    As one of my uni mates said to me, “Let’s Give Bandt the Boot”!

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I may have posted this before, but bear with me. The flow – on from the ban on live cattle exports were bans on the live trade generally. The price of sheep for the live trade fell from $110 per head to just over $50 per head, and the damage done to the sheep industry was similar to the cattle industry. A farm budget stretched after ten years of drought and frosts has taken another hit of between thirty five to fifty thousand dollars a year. I would like to know why I should take such a hit financially so the Greens can feel good about themselves, conversely is there anyone of the Green persuasion willing to take a similar bath so I can feel good? No, didn’t think so. Rabz, your opinion of the Greens is charitable to what I think about them

  15. entropy

    I voted NDP in my youth, but once my balls dropped I have always put the greens last. Even after One Nation and the Communists, as at least those bastards are up front with their beliefs.

    That said, and even though I will be voting below the line, I am interested in where Senate preferences given by the LDP will go before I make any final decisions.

  16. Aliice

    how about this for a nice voice and a cowboy song?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnS9M03F-fA

  17. nilk, Iron Bogan

    I just posted the link for this on the Greens’ fb page. :)

    Let’s see how long it takes for me to get deleted and then blocked.

  18. Tel

    Will the LDP be preferencing them last?

    Talk to the voters, they are the ones who choose preferences. If they vote above the line that’s also a choice, they are choosing to select a senate voting ticket registered by the party. If you want to have visibility of the registered senate voting tickets, then that’s the job of the AEC, talk to them.

    Parties do not hand out preferences, they never have under Australian law. Simple statement of fact, no party hands out preferences.

  19. Tel

    So much for the Greens giving a hoot about indigenous issues! Let’s examine the wilful destruction of the northern cattle industry. That big idiot Ludwig ruined an industry at the snap of his fingers to garner Greens support, based on faked evidence. How many Aboriginal young men did they put out of work by that? The Greens laud themselves as being for opportunity of minorities!

    It was exceptionally twerpish to suddenly ban live cattle exports, without planning or consultation, or any regard for existing investment and contracts. However, the Greens didn’t do that on their own.

  20. Aliice

    I think I just found the best Janis Joplin clip ever

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGUt4QYc08

  21. Aliice

    Oops wrong thread for the Janis post. What am I doing in here?

  22. Pedro the Ignorant

    What am I doing in here?

    from Alice.

    Oh dear. Take cover.
    http://e-haf.org/PublicFTP/320/AUDIO/Audio_air_raid_siren.mp3

  23. Steve D

    Regardless of whether or not voters have to follow the HTV cards, which they don’t, they do influence the outcome as Antony Green has examined. HTVs are followed by some.

    I like them for their insight into the relationships between difference groups through the tightness of preference exchanges. It helps to show where the unknowns really lie.

    In the last council elections in Monash in Melbourne, most lead candidates had stooges contesting that were for little purpose other than capturing preferences and directing them to the main candidate.

    In the end I usually choose my own preferences but shall consider the HTVs as input to the decision.

  24. Steve D

    Not sure the siren is warranted like it used to be, Pedro. It’s generally interesting to see how newbies to the Cat either fall into the swing of the place or otherwise disappear with a few notable exceptions.

  25. Albatross

    I’ve been a below the line Greens last man for years, but I’d make an exception to seethe end of Albasleazy. Even if they aren’t willing to do it officially, I’d love to see the Libs in “Albo’s” (!) seat set a Liberal “Getup!’ equivalent to issue how to vote slips putting Albo after everyone.

    As much as having any Greens MP in the Lower House is distasteful to me, it would be worth it to see Albanese consigned to political oblivion.

  26. Cold-Hands

    I just posted the link for this on the Greens’ fb page. :)

    Let’s see how long it takes for me to get deleted and then blocked.

    We can look forward to a lot of fresh-faced Green’s believers looking to convert us through the incontrovertibility and logic of their arguments. /sarc

  27. Rabz

    We can look forward to a lot of fresh-faced Green’s believers looking to convert us through the incontrovertibility and logic of their arguments.

    Good, I’ll be waiting.

  28. JohnA

    Steve D,

    “In the last council elections in Monash in Melbourne, most lead candidates had stooges contesting that were for little purpose other than capturing preferences and directing them to the main candidate.”

    I’m glad our household wasn’t the only one who saw through those stooges.

    We sat down with the candidate statements and analysed the preferences into blocks (a bit like a sociogram) of who was with who. Then we worked out our own preferences and effectively told them to apply HTV cards to places where the sun don’t shine.

  29. Shared on Facebook. Thank you, Dot, and well written. The Greens have hidden behind their surface “good intentions” for far too long, and need their sick and unthinking doctrines held up in the cold, harsh light of day – then kicked into the gutter where they belong.

    I will be putting the Greens last, Labor second-last. I’m registered in a seat held by the Opposition right now, IIRC, so the sitting member will get my first preference and I’ll follow his HTV for the other non-Grunreich candidates. For the Senate ticket I’ll be voting below the line for NSW and the Greens will again go last, Labor second-last. First will be Libs, then Nats, then Shooters-Fishers (I’d like at least one in the Senate to annoy the Greens by their presence – playing the long game here – plus S&F could usually be counted on to cancel out one Green vote). Then c0mes the LDP, then all the rest. There were something like 86 names below the line last time, so the Grunreich pawns are going to be good and buried, whoever takes the bottom spot.

  30. Rabz

    Needless to say, I’ll take great pleasure in placing that vile narcissistic grub the shakedown sheikh dead last on the senate ballot paper.

  31. Turtle of WA

    The lady down at KFC told me she voted green. If the Greens had absolute power there wouldn’t be KFC.

  32. Craig Mc

    I’ve put them last for over a decade at every level of politics. There has never been a Greens politician with a brain, and there never will be. That goes for the original twin numpties Margetts & Chamarette through mental deficients Brown & Nettle, all the way to the current drivelling of Dense-&-Dumb and the rest of the clown show.

    I’m more than happy to vote above the line if the Coalition is going to do the hard work for me.

  33. PeterF

    Baradine is a long way from Walgett. It is the middle of the Pilliga Scrub where one of Gillards parliamentary loves was born,the lamentable Craig Emerson,although he refuses to acknowledge such modest beginnings

  34. wreckage

    I am deeply in hate with the so-called Green party.

  35. JC

    The Greens… the human trash ..are pure evil. They have to be destroyed. They go last.

  36. Papachango

    I’m in Bandit Bandt’s electorate. Though I’m inclined to agree with Sinc. Must. Put. ALP. Last. On. Everything

  37. e-girl

    It amazes me that so many people view The Greens as an alternative rather than part of (let’s call it) the Axis, which opposes the Coalition.

  38. JC

    Sinc

    The trouble with your strategy is that we had a form of a Greens government over the past three years. That’s the trouble, the liars party prime objective is to stay in power and fellate the unions. If that means giving the human trash what they want the Liars will head left in the big way.

  39. JC

    It amazes me that so many people view The Greens as an alternative rather than part of (let’s call it) the Axis, which opposes the Coalition.

    The Liars aren’t as extreme as the human trash. FFS, the human trash selected Stalina Rhiannon as a senate candidate.

  40. tbh

    The Greens must be crushed, it’s as simple as that. At least there have been elements of calm sensible thought in the ALP over the years and the Hawke/Keating years were mostly good for Australia. The Greens have infected Labor in recent times though and as a result we’ve had poor government. They must be put back in their box and their influence should diminish commensurate with the proportion of their vote. The fact that 90% of the Australian population don’t vote for them should tell us something. They may come across as well meaning and harmless but their policies are a combination of ignorant stupidity when it comes to consequences and in some cases outright spite against middle Australia.

    They’re lunatics.

  41. Papachango

    The Liars aren’t as extreme as the human trash

    According to the snow-cone the Libs are as extreme at the Greens. On Q&A he referred to Penny Wong as being ‘between two extremes’ referring to Pyne and Bandt. Quite telling really.

  42. incoherent rambler

    I love the smell of composting greens in the morning (after Sep 7).

  43. JC

    According to the snow-cone the Libs are as extreme at the Greens. On Q&A he referred to Penny Wong as being ‘between two extremes’ referring to Pyne and Bandt. Quite telling really.

    Isn’t he just a rolled gold dickhead?

  44. Papachango

    ‘rolled gold’ dickhead? as in ‘you can’t polish a turd… but you CAN roll it in glitter’

  45. that vile narcissistic grub the shakedown sheikh dead last on the senate ballot paper.

    Are we talking about the GetUp guy, who Got Up for Rudd and Gillard (what a hideous thought)?

    Yeah, he might be worth putting right at the bottom. There he is right now, metaphorically fellating himself as he daydreams of a Senate seat and a pension for life. Give him an electoral uppercut while he’s still got it between his metaphorical teeth and wake him up to reality.

  46. Jim Rose

    sinclair, 3 way contests change the identity of the median voter in a way that parties may no longer camp over the middle. spoiler candidates know what they are doing. Tollock explains:

    the party which moved away from the middle lost votes in the centre of
    the distribution, but picked up votes around the edge … and the net result for this move was a gain

    After a while they move far enough out so that the losses balance the gains from a movement farther out, and the three parties establish equilibrium…. Thus, one anticipates that the parties in a two-party system would be very close together but that there would be considerable difference between them in a three- (or more) party system. This is what we observe in the real world.

    … A three- (or more) party system requires a good deal more skill on the part of the party leaders, and mistakes are much easier to make. In a two-party system there is a simple operational rule for the politician: fi nd out what the other party is doing and take a position very close to it in the popular direction. With a three-party system, nothing so simple exists. Difficult decisions must be made and frequent errors are to be expected

    HT: Gordon tullock at http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/upldbook397pdf.pdf

  47. Jim Rose

    Put the 19th century Tory radicals last!

    The greens are no more than a reincarnation of the 19th century British Tory Radicals with their aristocratic sensibilities that combined strong support for centralised monarchical power with a paternalistic concern for the poor.
    • 19th century Tory radicals opposed the middle classes and the aesthetic ugliness it associated with an industrial economy.
    • Like the 19th century Tory Radicals, today’s liberal gentry see the untamed middle classes as the true enemy. “Environmentalism offered the extraordinary opportunity to combine the qualities of virtue and selfishness”

    Environmentalists have an aristocratic vision of a stratified, terraced society in which the knowing ones would order society for the rest of us.

    many a supposedly green left-winger who thought they were expressing an entirely new and progressive philosophy as they mouthed the same prejudices as Trollope’s 19th century Tory squires: attacking any further expansion of industry and commerce as impossibly vulgar, because ‘ecologically unfair to their pheasants and wild ducks’.

    Neither the failure of the environmental apocalypse to arrive nor the steady improvement in environmental conditions has dampened the ardour of those well-off enough to be eager to make hair shirts for others to wear. The 19th century Tory radical’s disdain for the habits of their inferiors is undiminished in their 21st century heirs and successors.

    True to its 1960s origins, greens gravitate toward bureaucrats and hippies: a global, big-brother government that will keep the middle classes in line and a back-to-the-earth, peasant-like localism, imposed on others but presenting no threat to the elites’ comfortable middle-class lives.

    How ironic that the green gentry—progressives against progress—turn out to resemble nothing so much as nineteenth-century urbane conservatives.

    Big HT: http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_3_american-liberalism.html

  48. The greens are no more than a reincarnation of the 19th century British Tory Radicals with their aristocratic sensibilities that combined strong support for centralised monarchical power with a paternalistic concern for the poor.

    Yes, but the Tory Radicals didn’t have as far back to go to get where they wanted to be, and a fair swathe of what they wanted to achieve still existed. And then there’s the two groups’ outlook towards the makeup and values of their societies. That of the Greens regards the poor as inimically hostile to their vision and worthy only of punitive measures. That of the Tory Radicals, however paternalistic, at least contained something of concern.

    With a three-party system, nothing so simple exists. Difficult decisions must be made and frequent errors are to be expected.

    This would apply if all three parties were putting forth sensible policies and solutions, and was arguably the case in the time before the Australian Democrats went utterly off the rails. Now we know that one of the parties has openly transformed itself into a bunch of nation-wrecking trough-feeders and another is so completely divorced from reality as almost to constitute an enemy of the state.

  49. Also:

    attacking any further expansion of industry and commerce as impossibly vulgar, because ‘ecologically unfair to their pheasants and wild ducks’.

    At least the Tory Radicals wouldn’t have hesitated to shoot those pheasants and ducks for the dinner table!

  50. Ivan Denisovich

    So much for the Greens giving a hoot about indigenous issues! Let’s examine the wilful destruction of the northern cattle industry.

    And this:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/greens_celebrate_as_aborigines_die_in_a_jobless_tropical_lifestyle/

  51. Blogstrop

    Good work Dot!
    The implications you rounded up serve as a warning, albeit late, and get no airing in the MSM.
    The damage has been accumulating for some time, and I will continue to hold responsible not just the misguided ideologues in the Greens and ALP, but the media types who grease their wheels, if not more personal parts.

  52. Arnost

    The Greens MUST be crushed forever. Now is the time to do it. As if not: they will supplant the ALP as the alternative party.

    All the Greens are waiting for is a charismatic leader – and watch this space… the “rusted ons” will leave the Liars Party in droves (as they are conditioned to hate the conservatives). The ALP is too obviously mired in criminal scandal, it has a dearth of policy and direction, and is seen as beholden to the corruption of the unions big time. And the Greens have a good majority of the meeja locked up to help promote the cause.

    This cannot be. The Greenfilth virus must be eliminated from society. Kicking them out of parliament will at least deprive them of some oxygen and get them off the daily political radar. Vote Greens last.

    Good article Dot.

  53. Fred

    Put Australia first, put The Greens last!

  54. WhaleHunt Fun

    I urge you strongly to please put the Greens dead last on your ballot in this election.

    Please don’t.
    Greens, by and large , stink. They have an utter lack of personal hygeine.
    God help you if you met a dead one. The smell would melt your face.
    So avoid using ‘dead’ and ‘Greens’ in the same sentence.
    ‘Last’ is all that is needed …. oh … and sterilisation. Lots and lots of carbolic acid should do. Applied extremely vigorously.

  55. Makka

    “‘Last’ is all that is needed …. oh … and sterilisation.”

    For a second there I thought you were referring to the breeding kind.

    I’m perplexed. The deep abiding loathing I have for the Greenslime is only matched by this odious modern Labor. They are both truly detestable elements and if perchance we were at war, there would be just grounds to have them all taken out the back and summarily shot, and their supporters incarcerated for re-education – so immense do I view their betrayal of Australia, it’s future and the values that made us such an envied Nation.

    Who to vote last?I will have to give this more thought.

  56. JohnA

    “Who to vote last?I will have to give this more thought.”

    No brainer – Greens last.

    Then the preferences can’t leak anywhere, and their “support” for the ALP is dead, and the ALP gets less than they expect in 2PP terms.

  57. Jazza

    That’s easy. Dot
    I’ve been doing it since the dangerous fools came on the scene, even in the Senate(whew, so many numbers to tick!)
    I work backwards going Green, Labor,Indepemdents….up to DLP and then Liberal/Nationals first

  58. Louis Hissink

    I vote ALP last, then green above them, (preference direction), Coalition first, and then the rest ranked down the list. Green preferences can get an ALP up, but ALP preferences can’t get a Green up.

    We have a fight on in Hasluck and I expect to be KRudded today or tomorrow.

  59. Louis Hissink

    And above the line in the Senate.

  60. Rococo Liberal

    In my view it is not so much the Greens we have to worry about, but Greenism. The Greens only represent a small percentage of the vote. Like other small parties they can be ignored.

    The real problem is Greenism, the cast of mind that is against real progress or innovation and that hates grubby commerce.

    Greenism is definitely the creed of the academic and the bureaucrat, the sort of tossers who think they have taste and understanding, but whom are really complete philistines and bogans with a superficial veneer of culture.

    The greens have no power but whinge a lot. Maybe waht needs to be done is to ignore that whinging and call out the Greens in public. Each of the main parties are far too kind to the Greens. They need to explain what environmentalism does to slow down the economy and to harm theenvironment in the long run.

  61. Robbo

    When the Greens first launched themselves on the unsuspecting public the Labor Party loved it because they thought they had a political ally in the fight against the Liberals. I told a friend of mine, an ex Labor MP (surprisingly sensible and an extremely decent individual) that the Greens would end up destroying his Party and then, ultimately, themselves. It’s like inviting a crocodile into your house. He may have a big smile but he has no pity and he has a very big appetite. The nuffs nuffs who make up the tactical arm of the Labor Party made a big mistake by being friendly to the Greens for a very long time. What a bunch of stupid political amateurs. They are now reaping the reward. What a great result.

  62. Lucie

    Louis

    Why can’t Green preferences get an ALP candidate up?

  63. Louis Hissink

    Lucie,

    They can, but we don’t want the ALP candidate to get up, so despite the malevolent odour of a rotten green, ALP goes last, and Green second last. A green is never going to get up with strong ALP and LNP candidates. Having said that, I had better see which parties are contesting Hasluck – since it’s a targeted ALP seat where we will be KRudded today.

  64. candy

    I think the current ALP would do far greater damage to the economy, as well. If KRudd gets in, he’s going to go on a massive spendathon and do what he pleases, with no-one able to put the brakes on him.

  65. Louis Hissink

    Fair suck of the saveloy, the sitting member for Hasluck is Ken Wyatt (LNP) but his nephew is Ben Wyatt, ALP opposition leader for the state. And I have a green party candidate, plus one of Clive’s candidates.

    Ken Wyatt is very impressive, knows how handle an audience.

  66. Lucie

    Sorry, Louis, I confused things with my question -got it back to front. Meant to ask why can’t ALP preferences get a Green up. But I see your point – it depends on how much support there’s likely to be for candidates for the two major parties in the particular seat. And either way it’s a vote for Labor because that’s who the Greens preference and support in government.

    So there’s never any advantage to the Coalition in putting a Green ahead of Labor anywhere- is that right?

  67. Oddson

    Hasn’t anybody here seen the betting? Labor is history, so why not take out the greens as well? Tony has obviously done his homework. Who cares about Albasleazy in opposition? You can still put Labor second-last. The coming war crimes tribunal will take care of Thompson, Gillard, Elbo and all the others. Can someone please invent a version of plants vs zombies with exploding watermelon heads – like the aliens in Mars Attacks?

  68. Lucie

    I think the strategic reasoning behind preferencing should be explained to people – it’s not exactly straightforward.

  69. Putting the Greens last seems a no-brainer to me in the vast majority of cases.
    But I also think there are examples where Coalition voters are far less disciplined with preferences than the left side of the slate – this shows in the 2008 ACT results – for those game to look
    http://www.abc.net.au/elections/act/2008/
    where the Greens got 15.6% of 1st pref votes and won 23.5% of seats -
    while various mainly centrist or right “Others” got 15.4% of 1st pref votes but won ZERO seats.
    I think it is important for Coalition voters to take care in alloting their early preferences wisely to other rightist groups such as Motorists – before being suckered into throwing a preference the Greens way because of some wooly headed thinking that they protect wild animals or whatever.
    We must remember that the Australia we all know could never be built under Greens policies.

  70. It’s hard to know which way to turn in Fremantle, where we have a despicable ALP sitting member but a horde of Greens champing at the bit as well.

    I still think I’ll put Melissa Parke last, though. Depends on who the Greens put up against her, AND who the Socialist Alliance is running this time. (They always run here. It’s quite touching, really, to see them at the polling booth.)

  71. Lysander Spooner

    You don’t even have to put a number against the Greens. Fill in all spaces on HoR ballot and leave the last box (Greens) blank.

    The electoral commission have to count your vote still (but with the added bonus of not putting the Greens last, but not even being forced to vote for them!)

  72. You don’t even have to put a number against the Greens. Fill in all spaces on HoR ballot and leave the last box (Greens) blank.

    NO. Surely this will be counted as an informal vote. In the HOR you must number ALL the boxes – I have seen this instruction time and time again. Why risk throwing your vote away? FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. NUMBER ALL THE BOXES.

    And for fuck’s sake, TAKE A PEN AND WRITE FIRMLY. DO NOT USE PENCIL.

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