# Kevin Rudd’s Grade 3 teacher has been found

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### 61 Responses to Kevin Rudd’s Grade 3 teacher has been found

1. Sack them all. Void their degrees. Mark them never to work with children in any capacity.

2. entropy

Sack anyone who did not leave the room in disgust blowing raspberries.

3. Gab

heh. And here’s me thinking maths is a hard science. No, no it’s now Art and students can pass the subject by performing interpretive dance to solve an equation. Genius.

4. Aliice

Wait – what I am hearing is we have to psychoanalyse the kids who get maths wrong to figure out what processes they went through to get it wrong? What a terrible bunch of namby pamby teachers who cant say “that is incorrect” but instead want to say “now little johnny just tell me how you came to the conclusion that 3 x 4 is 11″. What does the dear teacher say when little johnny says “dunno I just guessed”.

No wonder the kids are confused. Boot silly waffly teachers like this out and bring back reciting the times tables and watch a marked improvement happen.

5. Infidel Tiger

I would have got it right, but the Asian kid next to me covered his answers.

6. Chris M

And that is just the children. Senseless theories like anthropegenic global warming would be laughed at if most Australian adults had a good grasp of basic mathematics. The dumbing-down of education is intentional – and of course inevitable with dolts becoming unionised teachers.

7. nilk, Iron Bogan

And Kommon Kore is here in Australia, too.

Yay.

8. Samuel J

She even looks a bit like Kevin Rudd

9. Samuel J

Why is it 12? How do I know that?

Because I did my times table over and over and over again.

10. Fisky

If this were about basic algebra or calculus, then she’d be making a fair point – we always got marks for process as well as final answers. W/here she goes wrong is that arithmetic does not require “reasoning”. It just is. The best way to go about it is drilling and rote learning until the kids are about to collapse from exhaustion. The need for logic begins with multi-step equations/solutions that kick in around grade 8/9.

11. Fisky

Or, long division, assuming they still teach that. If the kids are doing long division in middle primary school, then they definitely need extra brownie points for procedure.

12. Mick Gold Coast QLD

Miss says in the linked report:

“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through …”

wait on, at the bit about “but the emphasis is really moving more towards …”

Whose “emphasis”? Why is it “moving more towards …” something for which I have not given a mandate?

I wonder could Li’l Miss Disciple “really talk me through the procedures that she went through” that justify failing to teach the school children maths in the school maths classes and replacing that task with philosophy of education, which their properly educated minds can explore more appropriately if and when they get to university?

13. Cold-Hands

heh. And here’s me thinking maths is a hard science. No, no it’s now Art and students can pass the subject by performing interpretive dance to solve an equation. Genius.

Well, that’s how Simon Sheikh’s leman scored her position at ANU isn’t it?

14. thefrollickingmole

I can just see how well that would go in certain professions…

Diver: “Im sure a 99% nitrogen 1% oxygen mix is just right for this dive”..

Doctor: “I dont feel you needed to have chemo”

Engineer: “Nah, just make those struts look like the ones over there, no need to re-calculate for increased loads”

The possibilities are endless… and terrible.

I blame lawyers.

15. Brian of Moorabbin

I blame lawyers.

I blame Leftism…

16. Mick Gold Coast QLD

“Engineer: “Nah, just make those struts look like the ones over there, no need to re-calculate for increased loads””

Nah, thefrollickingmole, today’s young engineer ignores the question and strides purposefully across to the lowliest labourer, not the leading hand or the foreman ‘cos they’re scared of them, and demand to know why his hi-vis vest is not properly buttoned or velcro-ed fastened.

When the leading hand or the foreman notices the kerfuffle and starts to walk in their direction they put the mobile phone to their ear and ring the head contractor’s safety officer. They stand apart until he arrives, making other phone calls as a means of keeping people away, put on an indignant display and leave him to it.

This is precisely what happens. The boys look a bit sheepish and the girls defiant, ever ready to pull the girlses card. I guarantee you this is precisely what happens.

Thus they avoid exposure of their knowledge of bridge struts, and on which bit of the bridge they might be found.

17. Andrew of Randwick

Teacher: Your son has made great progress this year.
Parent: But he can’t read, ‘rite or do ‘rithmetic.
Teacher: I think you are taking a very narrow view of his achievements. And furthermore such an attitude could be construed as ‘parental bullying’ and maybe ‘mild child abuse’. Now under section 22-22, of the national parents re-education plan, I must inform you that if you continue to express such negative thoughts next term, then I will be required to escalate the matter to the sub-committee for parental behavioural monitoring, and to make a note in the PB Register – this is an on-line tool that ensures we have a nationwide tracking and accountability.
Parent: But…
Teacher: I think I have been quite clear and respectful in explaining to you the procedures and processes that we have introduced to ensure all students have a positive learning environment. And I must say if you continue with this line of questioning I will call my colleague over to join us so that I have a witness to your harassing and threatening behaviour.
Parent: Oh, oh. OK then.
Teacher: That’s better. Please do not worry about your son. I am sure that he will do well next year, at uni.

18. Leigh Lowe

Oh dear Mick.
I work in a large Engineering house (not an engineer btw) and, sad to say, you’ve nailed it.
My computer gives me a “save da planet” message every day when I log on.
The dunny doors carry warnings that, well, the dunny door could swing towards you on it’s hinges as you approach it.
Major clients are coal miners ….. some fuckknuckle suggested in a risk review last year that dealing with “dirty coal” would cause us “reputational damage”
I asked the idiot to furnish 50 names for redundancy if we dropped that line of business.
Response ? …. quizzical Labrador head tilt

19. Gerry

It’s not such a recent problem…have a listen to “New Math” by Tom Lehrer …

20. Brian of Moorabbin

Wonder what our resident “Super Teacher and Principal”, the Digital One, thinks of the idea as espoused in the video above.

Will he support it as a good little leftist, or will he denounce it due to its American heritage?

Or will his brain go into meltdown due to inability to decide between which of the two positions he should take, leading him to completely ignore it in the hopes that no-one will question him about it and that it will go away….

21. Badjack

No wonder the new generations think it is normal to be queer.

22. kurt

Sorry but this is pure and simple the feminisation of teaching. It emphasizes writing long winded explanations for even simple computations. It will drive the boys who know it instantly crazy and advantage the girls who think 4×3 is 11. Boys who may actually be very good at maths but lousy at writing will be the big losers. Instead of being challenged by using their brains in a subject they excel at they will be frustrated and lose interest. Feminism 1: Boys 0

23. kelly liddle

The main problem is there is no line of thought to be had with such an equation. It is the times tables which have to be memorised.

24. ella

The importance of rote learning.

“Once the tables had been internalized, children could do simple calculations quickly, and proceed to geometry and algebra without pausing over their sums. By the age of sixteen, mathematically inclined children had mastered the basics of differential calculus and were beginning to tackle differential equations. Their first years of rote learning had in effect catalyzed a piece of inherited brain chemistry, and created the neuronal links that permit the installation of one mathematical program after another.”

From Roger Scruton’s book, “Culture Counts”

25. bushwalker

She’s basically right, but the simplicity of her example makes her look a dill.

For example, suppose the kid carves 4 groups of 3 crosses in the desk, counts up the crosses and gets 11. At least he knows what multiplication means even if he can’t count.

26. what planet am I on?

Mick Gold Coast QLD
#966726, posted on August 21, 2013 at 12:06 am

They stand apart until he arrives, making other phone calls

to the union safety officer for further instructions.

27. Boy on a bike

This explains how we ended up with an Asian Finance minister who gets her sums so badly wong.

28. Splatacrobat

She must be following the home schooling Ma and Pa Kettle curriculum.

5 x 14 = 25 Look here I’ll prove it to you.

29. Tinta

heh. And here’s me thinking maths is a hard science. No, no it’s now Art and students can pass the subject by performing interpretive dance to solve an equation. Genius.

Well, that’s how Simon Sheikh’s leman scored her position at ANU isn’t it?

Yes Mrs Anna Rose Sheikh — went to law school with a relative’s child and yes was very good at interpretive dance in the Law Revue AND on the strength of that is now a course convenor and lecturer at the Australian National University, for the undergraduate course ‘Leadership & Influence’.[3] ‘Leadership & Influence’ is one of three Vice Chancellor’s Courses, which are high-level, inter-disciplinary subjects involving active discovery and research.RTWT

30. manalive

kurt at 3:39 am ✔ 11/10.

31. OldOZzie

Exactly why our Grand-sons are going to All Boys Private Schools, and our Grand-daughters are going to All Girls Private Schools

Whole Family pitching in, including Grand Parents.

My Single Mother made the sacrifice to send me to an All Boys Catholic School – and the education, discipline, and notwithstanding 5 years (Leaving Certificate) of high school classes of 45, everyone in the class could read, write, spell, add, articulate and enunciate (Elocution lessons for the whole class over the 5 years – helped the Female Elocution teacher was a doll)

32. Anne

There’s no reasoning in engineering. If the answer is wrong the building will fall down.

Leftism…the reasoning can be elegant but the answer is still wrong.

33. Boss Hog

My late mother, God bless her soul, left school at 14 years of age, fairly normal for people of her social class of the time. I don’t ever recall seeing her read a proper book – The Woman’s Weekly and the daily newspaper were more her style. If you had mentioned Adam Smith, Maynard Keynes or Milton Friedman to her, she would have looked blank and wondered if they were film stars or, perhaps, politicians of some kind.
Yet she ran a successful merchandising business, in partnership with my father (he the brawn, she the brains), for nearly 40 years. A business which, I might add, never dipped into the red in all that time. At the age of 70 plus, she still wrote a beautiful copperplate hand, which was almost machine-like in its legibility and could add long columns of financial figures at lightening speed and with total accuracy. Her mental arithmetic ability was uncanny, when pocket calculators first became affordable, we kids used to delight in pitting Mum against the machines – as long as the problems were restricted to everyday division and multiplication, she rarely lost.
And yet, I suppose, I should be ashamed of my mother’s memory because, by today’s educational standards, she was an abject failure. It’s funny old world!

34. Mike of Marion

Mick Gold Coast QLD
#966726, posted on August 21, 2013 at 12:06 am

“An engineer or an archtect is only as good as his tradesman will let him be.”

An old saying hammered into me many moons ago. Had seen so many mistakes on paper from architects and engineers straight out of school with a piece of paper that says their sh*t doesn’t smell!!

35. Lucie

LOL. Oh good grief! My grade three teacher was an ex-nun who’d recently started dating (there were a few like that, and the playground gossip quite sophisticated, even at that age), wearing red nail polish and heels. She’d make us stand up individually at random every morning to endure heavy times-table question fire. I always cringed inwardly and cursed her when she tortured a boy who inevitably struggled to serve up the required answer tootsweet…but by God we all knew our sums by the end of the year!

36. The self-esteem fad was given its coup de grace a few years ago in an episode of Doonesbury, when a hard-nosed professor gives her class full of Gen Z slackers back their exams and tells them that the fad is passe. In the final frame, Zipper Harris takes his collection of “Most Improved Camper” trophies to the junk shop.
The phrase “Most Improved Camper” has become the epitaph of self-esteem.

37. Dead Soul, John, our once resident biochemist and neuro science researcher told us once that self esteem was the hallmark of psychopaths!

38. Luke

Teacher: “Um yeah there’s been a mistake. I’m supposed to get paid \$ 1356 a week but you’ve only paid me \$ 578.”

Government: “Oh really. We’ll, we went through the motions of paying you so near enough is good enough right?”.

39. Rabz

Sack them all. Void their degrees. Mark them never to work with children in any capacity.

Agreed. I can’t believe we are even debating the merits or otherwise of such wilful, malignant stupidity.

40. James of the Glens

Love the supporting role played by the sturdy woman on the left.
The head tilting threatens to snap the neck vertebrae as she acts out the appropriate beaming agreement demanded from the audience.

41. Alfonso

The left loves incompetence, that way more punters must suck on the state for life support and that’s the ultimate aim of the game. Just like the “non immersed” Maori elites love Maori language “immersion” for the kids….if their subjects haven’t got the language they can’t think about it and compliance is achieved.

42. CARFAX

Just wonder how many in the audience knew the correct answer to 3×4 =?

43. Up The Workers!

What else would you expect from a Party so pathologically dumb that it STILL cannot correctly spell its’ own name, despite a century of trying?

LABOR – It has no room for “U”!

44. Eyrie

Mick, Gold Coast. I read that the late Kelly Johnson, the famous Lockheed designer, when he organised the Skunk Works, had the guys actually building parts working no more than 40 feet from the guys designing them. I wonder how many times some young engineer was confronted by a grizzled old machinist about the part he was expected to make? The existence of the SR-71 shows that the system worked. Oh and it was designed with slide rules and mental arithmetic.

45. Pickles

There’s one foolproof way to learn multiplication. When you get it wrong you get beaten by a penguin. The role of fear in education is badly underrated these days.

46. Dan

For example, suppose the kid carves 4 groups of 3 crosses in the desk, counts up the crosses and gets 11. At least he knows what multiplication means even if he can’t count.

Thats alright when a kid is learning what multiplication means but not when actually doing the problem. Theres a reason I started my 8 year old’s maths tutoring with the ideas of ‘axiom’ suitably simplified.

47. The role of fear in education is badly underrated these days.

Indeed, my maths teacher was an Irish-Italian pit bull of a Christian Brother. He broke three fingers on my left hand with a steel ruler because I failed to grasp long division quickly enough. Abject terror was a wonderful learning tool, but adolescent sex is more effective.
By the time I was 20 I could recite my 17, 19, 23 and 27-times tables backwards. “No, no. Think of something else, think of something else!”

48. Mick Gold Coast QLD

“the late Kelly Johnson, the famous Lockheed designer, when he organised the Skunk Works, had the guys actually building parts working no more than 40 feet from the guys designing them”

Your modern day civil graduates, Eyrie, cling not to modern day slide rules and 10 metre tapes, but to clipboards and mobile phones. They arrive on site carrying take away cappuccino, look in holes and take photos on their mobiles (presumably to scale widths and depths later on screen) and are not at all inquisitive. In fact they rarely ask questions of those rough fellows in dirty clothing.

My professional cadetship lasted four years, three of which were spent tailing a senior bloke, observing and absorbing and being tested on it. If I had asked no questions I would have failed because profitable contribution was expected from Year Three.

After decades in design I then learned of construction from our blokes about their work by asking questions and jotting data in a back pocket notebook, to use in costing the next job and I’m really old and already know stuff!

These children get jobs with major contractors and rely on plans drawn by consulting engineers, conveyed over the pedal wireless to their laptop. There are no drawing tables in their offices, kilometres distant from the works, and every discussion is by phone. I doubt they even meet the people preparing the plans.

When a grizzled subbie spots something that’s not quite right there’s none of that discussion over plans on the ute bonnet and penciled amendments stuff. The subbie is told to sit around for a couple of days while the problem is referred to distant strangers. The young engineer’s primary role – only role! – is then to somehow make up a story why the subbie should be paid stand by rates only.

It’s a tragedy in a way, for the industry, although I have no sympathy for the useless fops. They watch bewildered while someone builds a deeply complex footpath, kerb and guttering, dash off to add it to their résumé and seriously expect Senior Project Manager to crystallize inside two years out.

49. papachango

Don’t fuck with mathematics… numeracy is a basic life skill, FFS!

Still, I suppose it could be worse… least they’re not looking to teach maths and science from an Indigenous perspective.

There was something mooted over here by some postmodernist lefty tossers about the Dreamtime legends being taught in geology as an ‘alternative explanation’ for how the natural landscape was formed. Note these are the same people who oppose christian creationism being taught in science calsses masquerading as ‘intelligent design’. The stoopid, it hurts!

50. boy on a bike

They watch bewildered while someone builds a deeply complex footpath, kerb and guttering, dash off to add it to their résumé and seriously expect Senior Project Manager to crystallize inside two years out.

My parents watched in horror when a new footpath was laid next to their house.

First, the existing shrubs and trees were cleared and a wide concrete path was laid. It was beautiful – flat and ripple free.

The landscapers arrived and put in lots of new plants.

Then the sparkies turned up with concrete saws, cut numerous trenches in it and ran in the power cables for the path side lighting. They did a lousy job filling in the trenches. They dug up and killed half the plants.

Then along came the plumbers to do the retriculation system. They used their concrete saws to dig more trenchs, cutting a number of electrical cables as they did so. They killed the remaining plants.

Sparkies returned to fix the freshly cut wiring, breaking some pipes in the meantime.

Plumbers returned.

Landscapers returned, and they broke a few water pipes when digging holes for the latest round of plants.

No wonder paths cost so much to lay!

51. David

Papachango are you really telling me that the Great Divide is not just the deposited excreta of the great Rainbow Tadpole? All praise be to it. Years of education and study wasted not to mention the following years of paid, productive work. I feel unclean.

52. papachango

I haven’t been involved in Engineerng for over a decade, Mick, but I don’t remember it like that when I was a civil grad. We’d turn up in a suit on day 1, and by day 3 had a polo top black jeans, steel-cap boots and a hard hat from the PPE store.

We did all the admin/office-based work (basically everyhting involving computers as the foremen / supervisors didn’t know how to use them), but a fair bit of site based stuff as well. We did use clipboards a lot, but that was to take things like road surface measurements and nuclear density gauge readings rtaher than to stand around looking impressive.

53. papachango

No wonder paths cost so much to lay!

That would be what happens with you promote a junior engineer to senior project manager, according to Mick’s story above.

He might be right, but I left that industry years ago as the civil project managers I worked with were all paid crap money and worked stupidly long hours – 80+ per week was the norm wit no overtime, 100+ expected whenever the project was under pressure, which was pretty much most of the time. A fair few of them were alcoholic or divorced as a result.

It could explain the lack of project management in some as simple as footpath construction.

54. Makka

This why the Left have infected Education so profoundly. What better place to teach young inquisitive minds that EVERYONE is a winner and therefore EVERYONE is equal. This style of teaching attributes no extra merit for being correct. Perfect for the Left- right and wrong don’t matter, it’s how you get there that does. What matters is the “process”, you could almost insert “caring” and “compassion” in that space.

Guaranteed that teacher is a card carrying Union activist brainwashed at Uni to further the Socialist cause. This method also keeps kids dumb longer ensuring future demand for…. yep you guessed it… teachers!

55. Mick Gold Coast QLD

“but I don’t remember it like that when I was a civil grad”

Papachango – the civil construction industry has plummeted in those ten years, exponentially recently. A central reason is that so much of the work is infrastructure stuff funded by you and me, in which profitable operation is of no consequence, and there is no-one left in government who knows whether they’re getting good work or dodgy.

“We did use clipboards a lot, but that was to take things like road surface measurements …”

That was then. All the work is subbed out by the major contractors, all of it. The young engineers are there to perform menial office based tasks. They are no longer encouraged to know the works and to use their intelligence, instinct, intuition and initiative to manage them.

Subbies have come forward markedly, more knowledgeable of modern technology and its applications than the client’s people.

“He might be right …”

I wouldn’t have put the time in to post this here if I wasn’t. It appalls me, even though we made our money as sub-contractors servicing dills, copping their inept nonsense and thrusting our hands deep into their pockets.

“the civil project managers I worked with were all paid crap money and worked stupidly long hours – 80+ per week was the norm wit no overtime, 100+ expected whenever the project was under pressure, which was pretty much most of the time. A fair few of them were alcoholic or divorced as a result …”

That remain’s very much the case. They – the client’s managers at all levels – cope by infighting and then identifying the most vulnerable targets outside the office to bluster at and to bully. The works are also subordinate to their endless search for the next job, which are scarce, everyone is itinerant and no-one but the most remote senior people has a stake in the head contractor attaining measurable excellence.

The constant pressure is a direct consequence of pith poor practical planning in the fundamental elements.

Thus we have a desal plant up here showing failure in the structure just two years after completion.

56. manalive

It’s not such a recent problem…have a listen to “New Math” by Tom Lehrer …

Ah yes, when the Left could be genuinely, intentionally, funny.

57. papachango

Geez thanks for that assessment Mick. Yes, the other thing I remeber was the infighting and the completely adversarial relationships between head, sub and sub-sub contractors.

I got out becuase I didn’t want to work in that enviornment, get paid shit money just to have a heart attack at 45.

From what you say it seems as if I made the right decision. Though being more stuck in a corporate office nowadays I do miss the odd site visit, but not enough to make up for all that other crap.

58. stackja

I left school in 1961. Not know much arithmetic but could spell and write reasonably. When I went to TAFE in 1990 office course still not good much at arithmetic but could spell and write reasonably.
So 3 x 4=12 and 4×4=16 etc etc.

59. papachango

fifteen years ago I dreamed of being an engineer. Now I is wun.

60. HK_Brother

Home-school…Its the only solution to restore back Western society from this Leftist infection. Get a community of competent parents and retired engineers, doctors, etc together and establish one’s own schooling that teaches what kids actually need.

China loves this Post-Modernist Leftist Western world. As they know it produces a future generation of idiots who will work for them!

61. egg_

Thank gawd they’re not teaching square roots…

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