Monday Forum: September 16, 2013

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  1. hammy

    Real five hundredth this time!

  2. Rabz

    Rabz – why call someone else a “numpty” on the basis of a spurious analogy?

    FFS Septimus, did you even read the comment I was responding to from our resident unionist thug?

    One of the things I least miss about Sydney is having to commute to and from work by train. And stop harping on at me, please – Lizzie’s response to that lobotomised union thug (about the same subject, BTW) was even more terse.

    I don’t take kindly to thuggish commie morons presuming they have some frigging right to tell me how to live (and I don’t mean you, BTW).

    Fair’s fair.

  3. Gab

    Most men don’t want to be childcare workers either.

    There’s a huge gender imbalance in this industry sector. 70% employed are females. No hue and cry over the gender imbalance. Wonder why?

  4. hammy

    Bugger – pipped by nilk, Iron Bogan

  5. jupes

    All that will happen is a few talented men will be held back in favour of a mix of poor, mediocre and talented women.

    Sure, but we are talking about war fighting here not childcare. Holding the best man back so a woman can attempt to do his job is folly.

  6. Honesty

    If you can’t win the game don’t play it, the Coalition cannot compete with gender equality with Labor. How can you beat- Gillard, a first term, first female PM being removed by the vote of Wong, the first gay mother MP back stabbing her by voting for Rudd. Now that’s gender equality!

  7. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tony N at 4:57 pm:

    “While not having all the answers to traffic congestion I do have the benefit of having an informed opinion … data was used for assessing road network level-of-service performance indicators. Most of you are expressing opinions from a point of ignorance.” … Tony N does traffic counts therefore he knows stuff.

    “opinions from a point of ignorance?” Not me sport, and I have ignored much of the bullship “debate” here today for that very reason.

    You see, twostix at 5:14 pm summarises the issue well;

    ” Ever been given the task of finding a public transport solution for … If not, get cracking!

    Their answer, lot, is to build more trains, trains to every street, trains to every house, a train for everyone!

    Their second answer is you shouldn’t be living out in one of those criminally designed grotesque “suburbs“, you should be living in a European style “city” AKA a housing project. Then the real idea of what they’re arguing for becomes clear – the ever present leftist europhilia that all this train nonsense springs from where they envision a utopia where we all live in perfectly planned shoeboxes in large car-less ghettos with a deli downstairs, ten cafes on the street and 35 neighbours. A place where you order your life around the government transport timetables.”

    When I last walked out of Sydney University a while back I left behind numerous contemporaries beavering away conscientiously on the only true truth of the time, public transport. Notwithstanding that at every point since the people have voted overwhelmingly for the car, they continued their important work of persuading them of their stupidity and of their own cleverness. What the people wanted was of no consequence.

    It became holy writ – the train, the bus, car pooling, little used bicycle lanes (because they have them in delicately coffee sprinkled Stockholm or somewhere else very European), the monorail and, in recent decades, light rail – as heavy and rigid and inflexible and intrusive and inefficient and uneconomic as steam engine drawn passenger carriages.

    Off they went on light rail study tours to Denmark and Dansk, the public servants in their short sleeved Glo Weaves – red, blue, green and black biros aligned busily in their breast pockets – to return chanting the sacred mantra with even greater zeal. They conned the politicians into going for a look and from that point on the free feed and social standing of yet another overseas tour lent their weight to the solution.

    All the while they failed to notice that car ownership was on the up and up, and that this meant something.

    Those same shiny new and bright eyed “professionals” ex Sydney Uni are all retiring now, having wasted their lives wasting other peoples’ money on their adopted religion to no good end. They’ve solved exactly nothing, having devoted their whole effort looking in the wrong direction.

  8. nilk, Iron Bogan

    There’s a huge gender imbalance in this industry sector. 70% employed are females. No hue and cry over the gender imbalance. Wonder why?

    Because any man that wants to work with children is painted with the pedobrush. Why risk the crap that comes with the job?

  9. Johno

    Abbott selects team on merit, not gender.

    Feminist outraged.

    Why do they keep expecting anyone to Akers them seriously!

  10. Johno

    That should be ‘take’, not ‘Akers’.

  11. Gab

    maybe Labor would feel better if J. Bishop knifed Abbott and then inserted herself as PM.
    That’s something Labor would approve.

  12. nilk, Iron Bogan

    All the while they failed to notice that car ownership was on the up and up, and that this meant something.

    Indeed. It meant that we are earth-raping bogans who need to be herded back onto public transport before we cause more global warming.

    Even if the IPCC is muttering about getting it wrong.

    Again.

  13. Huck

    Go easy with the bubbles Nilk, we still want you pumping out good commentary at the end of Q&A.

  14. egg_

    Pliberserk voted for Gillard?

  15. Honesty

    Kenny on 2gb with Price and Bolt. They can’t believe it’s ok for him to be photo shopped fucking a dog with a headline dogfucker. Kenny couldn’t imagine it happening with say David Marr at News. Those guys are so thin skinned it is a great use of taxpayer dollars, something we can all be proud of.

  16. candy

    Real five hundredth this time!

    You don’t look a day over 499, Hammy.

  17. nilk, Iron Bogan

    I am, Huck. 🙂 I’m also working on a little project with a friend. We’re setting up a new blog (Kae would know about my habit of doing things like that lol).

    This one’s about encouraging children in their reading, writing and comprehension.

    Mind you, dealing with bloody Philip Nitschke and a fellow who says he isn’t suicidal but just wants to kill himself makes me reconsider going easy.

  18. dd

    They can’t believe it’s ok

    In that case, let’s turn it over to you. Do you think it’s okay for the government broadcaster to be persecuting journalists? Bonus points for including MediaWatch as part of your answer.

  19. Septimus

    Rabz – that you were responding to an earlier comment, by whoever, became irrelevant when you compared your single occupant vehicle drive home to a fictitious trip home in “slow, smelly dirty overcrowded trains”? Everyone on the Cat knows you are from Zombie Parrotville, where there are no such trains. So, the analogy was spurious and should not have been the basis for calling someone else a “numpty”. Whoever that someone is or was, would be eminently entitled to call you the same for doing it … would they not?

  20. Cold-Hands

    Rabz – that you were responding to an earlier comment, by whoever, became irrelevant

    Septimus, read the whole exchange before you offer your tuppence worth.

  21. Honesty

    Sarc dd. I hate the ABC it is a disgrace they are hypocrites it is cess pit of unemployable Leftards. A better question is what am I doing about it? Well I donated $5k to Michael Smith News with no strings but suggested he has taken on and beaten the Gillard Government and his next target should be the ABC. Check out MSN and help the cause.

  22. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Septimus at 9:06 pm

    “Rabz – that you were responding to an earlier comment, by whoever, became irrelevant when … So, the analogy was spurious and should not have been the basis for calling someone else a “numpty”. Whoever that someone is or was, would be eminently entitled to call you the same for doing it … would they not?”

    Rabz of Zombie Parrotville is a warrior of standing and beloved of Allah. 🙂

    Stop it at once.

    I think I’ve hit him squire – he’s not moving.

  23. Honesty

    Clive Palmer is more Concordia than Titanic don’t you think?

  24. Septimus

    Septimus, read the whole exchange before you offer your tuppence worth.

    Cold-Hands – already penned my comments.

  25. Gab

    Stop the infighting, ladies. You sound like a bunch of Labor pollies deciding whose credit card to use now that Thomson has said ‘not touching mine’.

  26. Token

    Only in the US is the humiliation of Obama being suppressed:

    Via Mark Steyn, Ace of Spades makes a nice catch.

    Time magazine publishes four editions: Europe/Middle East/Africa, Asia, South Pacific and United States. This week’s foreign editions all acknowledged the big news story of the week, and if their covers are a guide, didn’t try to paper over the disaster.

  27. Septimus

    Rabz of Zombie Parrotville is a warrior of standing and beloved of Allah. 🙂

    Sure Mick – I know this. I’ve been offering my little inanities on the Cat for a while, too. Though, whether that affords me any standing is possibly, maybe probably, moot. Cheers 🙂

  28. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Septimus at 9:27 pm;

    “I know this. I’ve been offering my little inanities on the Cat for a while, too.”

    I know that Septimus, it’s why jumped in for a dig. A rampant and raging Rabz is worth viewing on a quiet night, you know that.

  29. I don’t give two flying fucks if everyone on the Abbott front bench is a mincing dandy in (only) a tight rainbow codpiece just so long as they can do their jobs right. Let him pick as many – or as few – damn men and women as he pleases. Working to quotas is a wonderful way to fuck stuff up; just ask Labor.

  30. Motelier

    Q and A is a green/left/filth love in tonight

    FMD

  31. Fleeced

    Time magazine publishes four editions: Europe/Middle East/Africa, Asia, South Pacific and United States. This week’s foreign editions all acknowledged the big news story of the week, and if their covers are a guide, didn’t try to paper over the disaster.

    Crazy… Obama even tried comparing himself to Reagan by incoherently using the “trust, but verify” phrase. Sorry Obama, but you’re no Reagan.

    Reagan to Gorbachev: Tear down this wall!
    Putin to Obama: Yeah, suck on that, Obama… You like that? Now you’re a teabagger!

  32. harrys on the boat

    How good was Breaking Bad?!? Top show.

  33. Fleeced

    How good was Breaking Bad?!? Top show.

    Hmmm… I’m a couple eps behind. I suppose I should catch up before someone spoils

  34. dd

    I find this open-mouthed incredulity in the media that “Afghanistan has more female ministers than we do now” – for example articulated on tonight’s Lateline – to be kind of patronising and racist. The subtext is “OMG we’re worse than those backward Afghans”.

  35. benson

    dd: We need more affirmative-action promotees, like the wildly successful examples of Gillard, Plibersek and Roxon have shown.

  36. harrys on the boat

    The shooting at the US navy yard, is it another Fort Hood?

  37. JC

    The subtext is “OMG we’re worse than those backward Afghans”.

    I haven’t heard of many cases where Australian women have acid thrown on their face because they don’t want to marry a particular man though. Nor that girls are concerned of going to school because of violence against them.

  38. twostix

    They have the media onside with the gender war. Still, that was true for the carbon tax too, and a fat lot of good it did them.

    That was true of the gender wars MKI too, how did that go for them? LANDSLIDE ABBOTT.

  39. twostix

    Canberra is very different in the way it is laid out. Very efficient and liveable.

    lol

  40. HK_Brother

    The only thing Affirmative Action does is promote mediocrity, incompetence, death of others, and massive waste of taxpayer’s money…Which is EXACTLY what we saw with a Govt running on those foundations in the last 6 yrs! Gillard, Plibersek, Wong, Roxon, Ellis, etc…The by-products of mediocrity and capable of making things WORSE for everyone!

  41. twostix

    Joan Kirner, Carmen Lawrence, Anna Bligh, Julia Gillard, Nicola Roxon and Penny Wong. Australia can’t afford women in front row politics if the destruction that these quota fillers left behind is the measuring stick.

    Well done Labor. You killed it.

    Also might I mention that there’s a lot of women in the traditional labor base who don’t care at all about women being in politics?

  42. C.L.

    LOL:

    Russian shot in quarrel over Kant’s philosophy.

    MOSCOW (AP) — An argument in southern Russia over philosopher Immanuel Kant, the author of Critique of Pure Reason, devolved into pure mayhem when one debater shot the other.

    A police spokeswoman in Rostov-on Don, Viktoria Safarova, said two men in their 20s were discussing Kant as they stood in line to buy beer at a small store on Sunday. The discussion deteriorated into a fistfight and one participant pulled out a small nonlethal pistol and fired repeatedly.

    The victim was hospitalized with injuries that were not life-threatening. Neither person was identified.

    It was not clear which of Kant’s ideas may have triggered the violence.

  43. Gab

    I see Labor, Fairfax and the ABC are wetting themselves over the Abbott’s cabinet. No mention about male ministers just that the women’s quota is is down.

    Oh well, at least the media and Labor have managed to yet again distract from Labor’s infighting and the great big whoop-ass loss Labor was dealt by the voters. 90 seats to the Libs, an increase of 18 seats :). Labor only managed 55, a loss of 16 seats. 🙂

  44. Popular Front

    has prompted conservationists to warn of an impending environmental disaster

    You know something? The Green eco-loons ALWAYS predict an ‘impending evironmental disaster’ and you know the other thing? It never happens. The mining companies all have Environment crews whose sole responsibility is making sure the site is clean and pollution-free. They know more about preserving and protecting the country than the shrieking dreadlocked soapdodgers ever will. As for the new project itself, I wonder if these howler monkeys have ever travelled through the area. I have. Weipa to Coen, Wenlock River, Jardine River, Bamaga and right up to the very tip of Cape York at which I celebrated by pissing in the Torres Strait. Talk about wall-to-wall fuq all. A new mine complex up there is the best thing that could happen for the locals. To be sure the top technical jobs will be FIFOs but all the other supporting staff will be local Abos and Gubbas, which means the paypackets and self-respect that every Australian deserves. WTF do the Greens have against this? We stood back and let the Green fascists destroy Tasmania’s economy and productivity, are we going to passively let them do it to the rest of Australia?

  45. Popular Front

    Boys afternoon here now. Someone upthread already on da whiskey and TV.
    Tsk, tsk. No whiskey and TV before 7pm chez nous.
    You retirees!! The life of Riley, isn’t it?

    Just to clarify Lizzie B and to assure you I’m not an old deadbeat drunk, I’m always up @04:30 at the latest so I can get plenty done before the phone starts ringing. Admittedly yesterday I did knock off a bit early but that was only because I was itching to get into ‘Game Of Thrones’ series 2. 2 shots and 2 beers in 3 hours, a steak, half a Midsomer Murder and by 19:30 the sawmill was running.

  46. calli

    The odious Koch on Sunrise giving a Christian minister stick because his congregation (mostly subcontinental and ME migrants) don’t want a mosque built beside their church.

    Koch, having caught Snowcone’s sensibilus interruptus disorder, claims that Christians have a history of violence against Moslems. I would love to drag that thing of a man across to Syria so that the lovely Islamists could educate him with a cluebat.

  47. Andrew

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/ita-buttrose-criticises-lack-of-women-in-cabinet/4961704 – Some quality patriots in Judith Troeth and Sue Boyce criticising Tony Abbott /s. He fucked them both over 2009.

  48. Rafe

    Good to see philosophy still taken seriously in Russia. Thanks CL, great roundup material!

  49. duncanm

    So the $4k Gillard to to repay for the hairdresser using her car to sell shampoo was successfully blocked till after the election.. quelle surprise!

    No mention on the ABC news website (of course).. but I came across a very bizarre article when searching for Gillard:

    Large picture of JB looking feisty, as usual, then:

    Bishop keeps up attack on Gillard
    Updated Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:04am AEST

    Ms Bishop says she will leave for meetings at the UN in New York on Saturday and will talk to Dr Natalegawa while she is there.

    AAP: Alan Porritt, file image

    That’s it!.. nothing else. Where’s the attack on Gillard?

  50. I found after my last computer upgrade that half my albums had gone missing. Fortunately I’ve just restored them from the iPod Classic, using a very smart program

  51. duncanm

    Just in case it goes down the memory hole:
    screenshot

  52. Leigh Lowe

    If Barack Obama had a son, he’d be just like Aaron Alexis.

  53. Aaron

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/ita-buttrose-criticises-lack-of-women-in-cabinet/4961704 – Some quality patriots in Judith Troeth and Sue Boyce criticising Tony Abbott /s. He fucked them both over 2009.

    We need more women like Bishop and Vanstone with ambition and skill. Troeth and Boyce sat on their fat asses in the Senate for a decade doing nothing. If they want to see more women in the ministry what example have they set in their careers to lead the way? Nothing. The Liberal Party will be better to see the back of both of them.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    From memory, aren’t both Troeth and Boyce proponents of the ALP/Greenfilth “More Compassionate Drownings at Sea” Policy?

  55. val majkus

    I see Labor, Fairfax and the ABC are wetting themselves over the Abbott’s cabinet. No mention about male ministers just that the women’s quota is is down

    It’s enough to make me ashamed to be a woman – from now on I’m going to be a person

  56. Tom

    Here’s just $10 million of our money that’s been flushed down the dunny in the past six years — the full audit is going to be horrific:

    Thanks to Labor, we now have the Australian National Preventive Health Agency, a body set up to help its citizens keep their smoking, drinking and eating at appropriate levels. The country needed “national infrastructure to help drive the way we behave”, Roxon told the parliament in 2010. “Sitting on our hands is not an option.”

    It is a pity the Labor government was so firm in ruling out sitting on its hands. The first achievement of ANPHA was to create 38 public-service jobs in Canberra. Its second was to encourage a gaggle of grant-seeking bodies to devise ridiculous ways of encouraging responsible drinking.

    Incolink, the union-dominated body that manages redundancy payments for construction workers, scored $300,000 for its Drink Safe Mate project, which will help young workers learn to handle the grog using “a capacity-building approach”. The Multicultural Centre for Women’s Health in Victoria also went for capacity-building, intending to use its cheque for $492,267 to “improve the capacity of young people from immigrant and refugee backgrounds to reduce their risk of alcohol-related harm”.

    The organisation Youthsafe opted for “a resilience-based binge drinking project” that must still be in the early stages, since we are told it will cost $356,678 to develop, deliver and evaluate. Bathurst Regional Council was given $495,071 for its Smashed Arts project, which will “engage young people in the Bathurst region by providing health education messages”.

    The Western Sydney Alcohol Awareness Initiative scored $95,439 to train young people in the Penrith area to produce videos for their peers “promoting the harms of binge drinking”. When it comes to dishing out public money in the cause of preventive health, no multifaceted early intervention approach or awareness-raising initiative is too questionable to dismiss.

    The Gwabba Yorga-Gabba Warra project received $500,000 to organise netball competitions; Shire Wide Youth Service has $500,000 for its Be A Smarty When You Party project; Mushroom Marketing landed a half million for its Live Solution – Have a Better Time With Live Music project.

    The list goes on and on: 26 dubious micro-grants totalling $10 million were allocated last year by Roxon’s quasi-autonomous faculty for projects that look as if they have been invented for no other purpose than squeezing money out of the public purse.

    RTWT. It’s a very informative piece on the industry that has grown up around mooching the feds for public funds.

  57. calli

    I despise women who bleat about ‘under representation ‘. C’mon over to the building industry, gals! Plenty of room here!

  58. .

    I am glad the local government referendum failed to start because a culture of grants is simply a culture of patronage and waste. The idea that it creates accountability is bullshit.

  59. .

    Abbott ought to set up these whinging feminist dinosaurs to fail.

    It would be hilarious.

  60. .

    To be sure the top technical jobs will be FIFOs but all the other supporting staff will be local Abos and Gubbas, which means the paypackets and self-respect that every Australian deserves. WTF do the Greens have against this? We stood back and let the Green fascists destroy Tasmania’s economy and productivity, are we going to passively let them do it to the rest of Australia?

    They hate black people. I cannot understand it any other way why you’d think someone else being poor forever is for their own good.

    But they campaign Government grant money to fund literally useless university scholarship on how Aborigines can be poor forever, so they assume thier guilt is absolved.

  61. Andrew

    We need more women like Bishop and Vanstone with ambition and skill. Troeth and Boyce sat on their fat asses in the Senate for a decade doing nothing. If they want to see more women in the ministry what example have they set in their careers to lead the way? Nothing. The Liberal Party will be better to see the back of both of them.

    Boyce and Troeth are not Liberals. They are Trots. They crossed the floor and supported the ETS.

  62. John Comnenus

    So let me get this right, Clive Palmer says he has a right as a member of a minority to run for MP because his family fought in WWI & WWII and a relative served in East Timor. Then he complains about former military people being involved in politics. What a fuckwit.

  63. egg_

    whinging feminist dinosaurs

    Yup, the rare and endangered Megasorearse Max won’t keep away from the feeding trough.

  64. val majkus

    About Syria, the UN reports but fails to attribute blame for the use of chemical weapons

    The experts concluded that “chemical weapons have been used in the ongoing conflict between the parties in the Syrian Arab Republic, also against civilians including children on a relatively large scale.” A separate UN-mandated independent human rights inquiry announced separately on Monday that it was investigating 14 alleged chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Mr Ban would not say who had carried out the attack. “We may all have our own thoughts on this, but I would simply say that this was a grave crime and those responsible must be brought to justice as soon as possible,” Mr Ban told reporters. –

    The United States, Britain and France all insisted that the report shows Assad’s forces had used the weapons. The US ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, highlighted the use of a 122mm rocket, which she said only government forces had. She also pointed to the “high quality” sarin used in the attack. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said there was “no doubt” that government forces were to blame. Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin, however, said after a Security Council meeting on the report that there should be more investigation into who was responsible. Moscow has sided with Assad in blaming opposition rebels for the chemical assault. –

  65. Armadillo

    I really don’t understand what all this fuss is about women in cabinet? Abbott said clearly BEFORE the election that there would be only minor changes to the ministry. He said clearly BEFORE the election that he would be placing people who has previous experience in Government on the front bench. That’s exactly what he did. The two Bishops and Sophie (if she had have nominated) were given positions because they had previous experience in the Howard Government.

    None of this should have even slightly surprised anyone. How much clearer could Abbott have been? He told everyone what he was going to do. And he did it. What’s the problem?

  66. Popular Front

    They hate black people

    Sadly I have to agree Dot. Twiggy Forrest was developing programs for Abos to get into his industries and was blocked and tied up with red/green tape at every turn. He’s still in there swinging though, I believe. The Greens should just sit down and pour themselves a nice long glass of STFU.

  67. Armadillo

    So, Clive Palmer had a “plant” asking a dorothy dixer on QandA last night? I note on the QandA thread that Nilk picked it up (but wrong questioner I think). Watching ABC24 this morning and there was silence (as you would expect) whilst all the other channels reported it.

    Raises a few questions. Firstly, how the hell did Clive think he wouldn’t get “caught out”? This has happened before except with a Green candidate asking the dorothy dixer (the ABC really don’t learn their lessons). As everyone has noted before, how trust worthy are the audience break-up figures?

    The ABC really is the most incompetent and corrupt government funded organisation in the country (and that’s saying something).

  68. nic

    Women as Ministers and the lack of talent available, the Troeth hurts I’m afraid

  69. boy on a bike

    I have a simple question for those that want more women in cabinet.

    Go through the inner cabinet members one by one and ask whether there is anyone else in the Coalition – male or female – who would be a better Minister than the one Abbott has selected.

    Eg – Turnbull in Communications. Is there anyone who could do it better? No. Move on.

    Nigel Scullion in Indigenous affairs? No. Move on.

    Barnaby in Agriculture? No. Move on.

    Brandis as AG? No. Move on.

    Morrison – immigration? No. Move on.

    Greg Hunt – environment? Yes. The sceptical bloke would have been a better choice. But he still doesn’t have a vagina.

  70. .

    Twiggy has done more for Aborigines than any left wing politician ever has:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/companies/twiggy-forrests-triumph-as-pride-replaces-despair/story-fni0d54u-1226691704175

    Read the whole thing. There is a link to an opinion piece by Twiggy.

    One billion dollars of contracts to Aborigines. The Greens oppose this.

  71. nic

    Koch, having caught Snowcone’s sensibilus interruptus disorder, claims that Christians have a history of violence against Moslems.

    If I was the Pastor, I’d be saying ‘erm Kochie, why do you think we are here in Australia’?

  72. Popular Front

    The ABC really is the most incompetent and corrupt government funded organisation in the country

    Gday Armadillo, good to see some rain, eh? Regarding the ABC your comments are spot on but I get the distinct feeling that they are going to go through the shredder shortly.

  73. Popular Front

    One billion dollars of contracts to Aborigines. The Greens oppose this.

    That is why the Greens must first be resisted, then politically exterminated.

  74. .

    Sad days for REAL feminism – you are judged by what is between your legs, not what is between your ears.

    Feminism is a giant crock and cult these days, with cynical commentators like Clementine Ford profiteering on her brainwashed followers with enar fraudulent behaviour.

    They think Sue Boyce wo uld have been a better defence Minister than David Johnston on account of posessing a vagina.

    “Every vagina is sacred…”

  75. Popular Front

    Wacko, now it is hailing like buggery, we’re segueing into a full-blown thunderstorm.

  76. Dan

    “Every vagina is sacred…”

    some of them taste pretty good too.

  77. Armadillo

    Gday Armadillo, good to see some rain, eh?

    Hell yeah. Badly needed.

  78. egg_

    They hate black people

    Yup, Neville the noble savage should know his place – out on the front lawn with the emu and kangaroo.

  79. Armadillo

    Hey Pop, do you have river frontage or are you on the topside of the highway?

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hell, yeah. Badly needed

    Much needed, drought lifting rain here, in the Wild West – a late, wet finish to the growing season, and we can see the difference already.

  81. Leo G

    MOSCOW (AP) — An argument in southern Russia over philosopher Immanuel Kant, the author of Critique of Pure Reason, devolved into pure mayhem when one debater shot the other.

    Two lads arguing over which of two contradictory propositions must be false. One chap apparently drew on Aritotelian negation.

  82. Popular Front

    Up on the ridge facing West Armadillo, there’s nothing between me and the horizon, so in the high summer it gets fairly warm in my workshop despite whirlygigs and fans. Still, it’s mine and I don’t owe a zac on it.

  83. Popular Front

    Reminds me of that old Dave Allen routine, a gunslinger walks into a saloon and says:
    “Hey Boy! I want to talk to you”.
    Boy replies:
    “Stranger, in this town we shoot first and ask questions afterwards”.
    The gunslinger then shoots him dead and leaning over the body says:
    “Can you tell me the way to the railroad station?”

  84. Leo G

    Aristotelian negation. Peripatetic fingers, Platonic spellcorrect.

  85. Armadillo

    Up on the ridge facing West Armadillo

    Ok, gotcha. The sun would certainly belt in there. We are up the top of “one tree hill” on the Western side so I know what your talking about. And here comes the rain again right on cue (this morning it looked like it had cleared out).

  86. Armadillo

    Much needed, drought lifting rain here, in the Wild West

    Wheat Zulu?

  87. C.L.

    When I coined the description “mousse salesman” for Stedman I had no idea how accurate it was.

  88. brc

    Twiggy Forrest is a dead set legend. I met a couple of FMG employees a coupe of weeks back. They were a happy bunch and full of praise for their boss.

    I hope the Abbott government sits down with him and says ‘what can we do to make your business run even better’

    To think that the previous group,of thieves and incompetents used their national stage to denounce him as a greedy capitalistic pig who should pay more tax. Swan is below contempt for his class warfare rhetoric on the likes of twiggy and Gina. The useless twerp then sat down and was made to look a fool by the international miners at the expense of the domestic producers. Boy, did they ever see Wayne Swan and Julia Gillard coming. Can you imagine the high fives after they left the room “we just avoided a tax bill and stuck FMG in it”

    Labor never deserve another go at treasury after the crap they pulled with the mining tax wars.

  89. brc

    When I coined the description “mousse salesman” for Stedman I had no idea how accurate it was.

    travelling mousse salesman, thank you very much.

  90. C.L.

    Abortion: Huffington Post finally concerned about death toll …

    Anti-Abortion Laws Take Dramatic Toll On Clinics Nationwide.

    More than 50 abortion clinics across the country have closed or stopped offering the procedure since a heavy wave of legislative attacks on providers began in 2010, according to The Huffington Post’s nationwide survey of state health departments, abortion clinics and local abortion-focused advocacy groups …

    “This has turned into a nightmare,” said Kat Sabine, executive director of NARAL’s Arizona affiliate. “

  91. Tom

    Probably the most brazen pissing against the wall of public money in the history of mooching: The ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions (CHE). Go, Doc Martyr, anti-mooching crusader!

  92. C.L.

    The Navy yard shooter could have been Obama’s son.

  93. .

    The ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions (CHE)

    That’s not research. It’s not even distributed content spam on the internet. If it was printed out you wouldn’t wipe a dog’s bum with it.

  94. Rudiau

    The Parbuckling Project.
    Logistics – (Salvaging cost about $795 million.)
    – about 120 divers
    – about 70 welders/carpenters/fitters
    – about 60 technicians/grouters/pilots and ROV technicians
    – about 60 coordinators/salvage officers/security-safety and health officers
    – about 50 engineers
    – about 140 crew members
    – about 10 biologists from Università La Sapienza – Roma, Università di Genova, Oceanomare-Delphis
    – 26 nationalities

    The Concordia is twice the size of the Titanic. Tonnage 114,137 GT.

    Clever little devils these salvage teams.

    http://live.reuters.com/Event/Raising_the_Costa_Concordia
    What happened to our HTML shortcuts?

  95. brc

    Does anyone else think that the CHE acronym was chosen to celebrate one of the lefts murdering heroes?

    Certainly ARC Centre of excellence for the history of emotions could have a wide range of other acronyms.

    Like ACEHE, for example, or any other combination. But no, they came up with Che, to celebrate the t-shirts of beta-boys worldwide.

  96. C.L.

    The ABC has dismissed criticism of Chaser’s depiction of Chris Kenny sodomising a dog by arguing it’s a photoshop and not a real photograph.

    So we know there’ll be no drama if Tanya Plibersek is shown being taken by a Shetland pony.

  97. .

    Does anyone else think that the CHE acronym was chosen to celebrate one of the lefts murdering heroes?

    Obviously. These people are psychopaths.

  98. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 7:32 am:

    “The odious Koch on Sunrise giving a Christian minister stick because his congregation (mostly subcontinental and ME migrants) don’t want a mosque built beside their church.

    Koch, having caught Snowcone’s sensibilus interruptus disorder, claims that Christians have a history of violence against Moslems.”

    You don’t understand calli.

    All organisations go through the cycle of centralisation and decentralisation, with some CEOs making the running and others devolving responsibility and authority to their branch managers.

    Labor has just changed CEOs – sort of, not yet, errr … soon – and it has entered the corporate decentralisation phase after a protracted period of centralisation.

    Effective opposition is now the responsibility of branch operatives such as Kochie/Vacuous Mellie at the ALP ATN7 Branch. If they deal directly with an Abbott666 Christian worthy of a belting they are merely meeting their revised KPIs.

    “Troeth and Boyce sat on their fat asses in the Senate for a decade doing nothing”

    This is different iteration of the same principle. They are as recently activated “sleepers” in the ALP Lazy Fat LNP Entitled Sheilas Branch, who have been awaiting instructions to be appalled that Abbott666 stole an election.

  99. Popular Front

    “one tree hill”

    Mate I can remember back to when it truly was “one tree hill” and town hadn’t quite reached it yet.

  100. pete m

    Dan, your comment was tasteless and I apologise on your behalf to any lady present.

    C.L. – mousse / shampoo door tod oor salesman – he is also a bad driver! No wonder she grabbed him!

    Re women in cabinet – ABC local in Brisbane was going full monty on it. A complete joke. The next 3 years will be easy – I’ve decided to stop listening or watching any ABC program save for Grand Designs, which even in repeat is tolerable.

  101. Popular Front

    one of the lefts murdering heroes?

    Ah yes, cliChe Guevara, an image on every lefty’s wankstained t-shirt. A thoroughly nasty bastard who enjoyed torturing and executing his opponents. He ended up falling for his own bullshit though and thought what was sucessful in Cuba would be equally successful elsewhere, in Latin America. He tried it on in Bolivia but the locals didn’t want a bar of him so he and followers hid in the mountains and starved. Eventually he got turned in to the Federalistas, who then proceeded to adjust his balance with lead implants, cut off his hands and buried him where a new runway was about to be surfaced.

  102. nic

    Abortion: Huffington Post finally concerned about death toll …

    Oh? They used chemical weapons on the unborn?

  103. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From pete m at 10:53 am:

    “Dan, your comment was tasteless and …”

    I agree. That has no place here.

  104. Popular Front

    The coolest Che pic ever

    Garands and M1 Carbines. No prizes for guessing who the Bolivians were friends with in those days.

  105. dover_beach

    Anti-Abortion Laws Take Dramatic Toll On Clinics Nationwide.

    More than 50 abortion clinics across the country have closed or stopped offering the procedure since a heavy wave of legislative attacks on providers began in 2010, according to The Huffington Post’s nationwide survey of state health departments, abortion clinics and local abortion-focused advocacy groups …

    “This has turned into a nightmare,” said Kat Sabine, executive director of NARAL’s Arizona affiliate. “

    I feast on their tears.

  106. dover_beach

    I thought DC was a ‘gun free zone’. What happened?

  107. mct

    “Dan, your comment was tasteless and …”

    I agree. That has no place here.

    +1

  108. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 10:54 am

    “The coolest Che pic ever.”

    Wouldn’t the kiddies be distressed if you had that imprinted on a T-shirt, eh?

  109. Popular Front

    Anti-Abortion Laws Take Dramatic Toll On Clinics Nationwide

    I really don’t know what is wrong with these Right_To_Lifers, it is a woman’s right to choose at an early stage, after then sorry,too late. The best statement on this subject that I have heard is that it should be ‘legal, safe but rare’ which is a pretty good assessment. Even the hardcore Catholic Irish are now allowing it under varying guidelines after much vigorous debate but it is now legal in certain medical circumstances, stemming I think from the Indian woman who was denied a life-saving abortion in Dublin and subsequently died. That incident made Irish women stand up and say enough is enough.

  110. Gab

    ‘legal, safe but rare’

    It is neither safe nor is it rare, but yes it is legal.

  111. Andrew

    This is bizarre… http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/liberal-jensen-attacks-schizophrenic-handling-of/4962424

    Liberal MP Dennis Jensen attacks ‘schizophrenic’ handling of science in ministerial portfolio. Jensen, who lobbied for the Science portfolio, says he is ‘confused’ by the ministerial position being axed and says science in Australia is in crisis.

    Clearly does not deserve a portfolio with the way he has behaved.

  112. Popular Front

    if you had that imprinted on a T-shirt, eh?

    Put it on and lob down to the nearest Glebe or Fitzroy leftoid cafe for your morning half-soy decaf latte with a twist of lemming and see how many fights you can start. I can see it now; exploding lefty heads, shrieking soapdodging harpies, riot police giving everyone plenty of truncheon, news crews getting dragged into the melee, oh bliss!

  113. Pedro the Ignorant

    It is an offence under US law to be in possession of a firearm in any Federal facility “unless authorised”.
    (i.e. cops etc.)
    “Gun Free Zones” like schools, shopping malls and Federal buildings are the favourite target of these crazed mass murderers for the very reason that they are unlikely to be shot dead by an armed citizen as soon as they produce a gun in public.

    Risk versus reward. Produce a gun with evil intent at say, a Texas rodeo, and the gunman would be dead within seconds.

    US law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

  114. Popular Front

    It is neither safe

    Yes I know Gab, from first hand experience and it was not pleasant.

  115. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From pete m at 10:53 am :

    “Re women in cabinet – ABC local in Brisbane was going full monty on it.”

    The energy and time wasted on this, blokes marrying blokes, self identifying as an eskimo or a beetroot, nappy changing rooms on naval patrol boats, anything to do with keeping Tasmania alive and protecting the criminal lying slapper at all costs is extraordinary.

    I would really like to hear that ABC local radio is interviewing local business people talking about prospects, when the 50% vacancies along Bundall Road bulky goods retail strip might abate, jobs ramping up for the Curtis Island LNG project and how to apply, Christmas work for school children at Woolworths – worthwhile stuff with information that helps people advance themselves.

    Instead they fill their day with “I hate Australia, I hate it, I hate it and so should you!”

  116. dover_beach

    Go, Doc Martyr, anti-mooching crusader!

    Seconded. Philippa rocks.

  117. Splatacrobat

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Boyce only got in on a casual vacancy when Santoro resigned in disgrace. She is also retiring in 2014.
    So let’s just recap what Senator Boyce has actually done to propel the cause of women inn the last sixyears…………’crickets’. She also crossed the floor on the fudge packers declaration of love bill.

  118. Popular Front

    From the DT website:
    Mass killer was discharged two years ago. Aaron Alexis, 34, from Texas, was kicked out of the Navy for letting off a firearm in 2011. He took his revenge by randomly kiling 12 after sneaking in to a base in Washington with a stolen ID. He himself became the 13th victim.

  119. Gab

    Go, Doc Martyr, anti-mooching crusader!

    Hear, hear. Not only quoted in the Oz but also in the Herald Sun. Wonder how long before she’s vilified by the Left for being a Murdoch666 “lapdog”?

  120. dover_beach

    I really don’t know what is wrong with these Right_To_Lifers, it is a woman’s right to choose at an early stage, after then sorry,too late.

    Well, I do know what is wrong with these ‘right to an abortion people so long as the deed is done by time t’.

    Even the hardcore Catholic Irish are now allowing it under varying guidelines after much vigorous debate but it is now legal in certain medical circumstances,

    I very much doubt those pushing for the liberalization of abortion in Ireland are hard-core Irish Catholics.

    stemming I think from the Indian woman who was denied a life-saving abortion in Dublin and subsequently died.

    I doubt the unborn child was the cause of her illness and death.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    Liberal MP Dennis Jensen attacks ‘schizophrenic’ handling of science in ministerial portfolio. Jensen, who lobbied for the Science portfolio, says he is ‘confused’ by the ministerial position being axed and says science in Australia is in crisis.

    Clearly does not deserve a portfolio with the way he has behaved.

    Jensen has clearly been black balled because he would embarrass Abbott, Hunt & co. on the climate scam and expose their direct action idiocy.

    Abbott is a pussy and must be removed.

  122. twostix

    Koch, having caught Snowcone’s sensibilus interruptus disorder, claims that Christians have a history of violence against Moslems. I would love to drag that thing of a man across to Syria so that the lovely Islamists could educate him with a cluebat.

    Koch is a bigoted racist who on 2010 Australia day wrote a colum describing how much he hates the sight of “blonde haired, blue eyed Australians” enjoying Australia day.

  123. Popular Front

    how much he hates the sight of “blonde haired, blue eyed Australians”

    Well you would too, if you were pencil-necked, prematurely bald with a huge hooter.

  124. Tom

    Abbott is a pussy and must be removed.

    Yeah, right. Let’s check out the candidates: one’s a climate-carpetbagging banker, the other’s a Keynesian socialist.

    Um, no thanks.

  125. Gab

    Amanda Vanstone explains that token females in Parliament is not a good idea:

    But Ms Vanstone, a former senator and former Ambassador to Italy, said having more women in the cabinet should not be an end in itself.

    “Would I like to see more women in the cabinet? Yes. But it didn’t help the Labor Party, which had lots of women but was hopeless,’ she told The Australian.

    “I’d rather have good government, than have more women in the cabinet for the sake of it.”

    Ita Butthurt disagrees. Says’s the “glass ceiling exists in 2013” and then proceeds to demean Julie Bishop:

    “I’m sure Julie Bishop is accustomed to being the token woman throughout her career, and here she is being the token woman again.”

    I understand. According to Ita, the only females worthy of breaking through that imaginary glass ceiling are the Emily Listers of the Left and Conservative women who get the tops jobs on merit are just “tokens.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/amanda-vanstone-defends-tony-abbott-on-number-of-women-in-cabinet/story-fn59niix-1226720737814

  126. Popular Front

    I very much doubt those pushing for the liberalization of abortion in Ireland are hard-core Irish Catholics.

    That is not the point I was making, it was a mainstream revolt amongst ordinary Irish people to finally get the issue into Parlaiment for discussion, where it was written into the statute books as legal, under certain circumstances.

    I doubt the unborn child was the cause of her illness and death.

    Google it, the story is out there. The woman needed to abort the foetus to have a chance of staying alive and she was too weak to be moved to any other country for the procedure but the Irish authorities, under the rules of the day said ‘no’ and subsequently the woman and her unborn foetus died.

  127. Tom

    …the only females worthy of breaking through that imaginary glass ceiling are the Emily Listers of the Left and Conservative women who get the tops jobs on merit are just “tokens.

    So….. in order to be in Cabinet, you have to first prove that you’re incapable of winning the job on merit.

    Right.

    The fact that Emily’s List is a Liars creation speaks louder every year.

  128. C.L.

    … it is a woman’s right to choose at an early stage …

    No. It isn’t.

  129. .

    Jensesn for PM! You heard it here first at the cat!

  130. C.L.

    The woman needed to abort the foetus to have a chance of staying alive and she was too weak to be moved to any other country for the procedure but the Irish authorities, under the rules of the day said ‘no’ and subsequently the woman and her unborn foetus died.

    So what?

    People die in hospitals every day.

    The question is whether her death means a country should now allow tens of thousands of people to be killed by doctors. It’s a bizarre and obscene ‘logic’ that answers that question in the affirmative.

    By the way, since Roe-Wade, more than 300 American women have been killed in abortion clinics.

  131. Gab

    it was a mainstream revolt amongst ordinary Irish people to finally get the issue into Parlaiment for discussion, where it was written into the statute books as legal, under certain circumstances.[…] Google it, the story is out there.

    The hospital was a University hospital. Existing law [prior to 2013] in Ireland is abortions are illegal unless the life of the mother is in danger. Why the University hospital ignored that seems to be becuase people were unsure of the law. From the inquest new guidleines will be produced to ensure medical staff are aware “the recommendations would remove any doubts doctors and nurses might have and avoid another death like that Halappanavar’s.”

    If you have a read of the Abortion thread here you will see this has already been discussed.

  132. C.L.

    Welcome warmy critic or not, Jensen doesn’t have a special pass to crap all over the new Abbott government just because he didn’t get a spot.

    He has kind of demonstrated why he was passed over.

  133. twostix

    I really don’t know what is wrong with these Right_To_Lifers, it is a woman’s right to choose at an early stage, after then sorry,too late.

    You just described the state of abortion laws in about 1970. In 2013, particularly in the US, it’s legal for a woman, six months pregnant (and after as happens), to walk in and have the fully formed healthy baby inside her induced into labour and then when the baby is 99% born a doctor rams a pair of scissors in to the baby’s brain, through the base of the skull, without anesthetic until the baby dies. This state of affairs she can bring about for any reason she chooses, the abortionist flouts murder laws by ensuring one inch of the baby’s head remains in the birth canal because if the baby manages to live and is born alive anyway after the extremely violent assault on it it is then left to die in a bucket as finishing the job with it on the table magically becomes murder.

    So it’s perhaps time for you to update your thinking on the matter rather than mouthing leftist pap and pretending that it’s still 1970.There’s plenty of websites you can see if you have the stomach for seeing healthy fully formed babies decapitated, bloodied, bruised and discarded in a bin – all done legally, all done without anesthetic, a situation literally argued for, vigorously protected and fully endorsed by the political left all the way up to Barack Obama and Julia Gillard.

    That’s the fight in the US, that’s why abortion clinics are closing, that and they’re finally being regulated after the worst serial killer in American history operated with impunity in one for deacdes: Kermit Gosnell. Don’t let the left lie and say it’s about “banning” abortion, it’s not.

  134. egg_

    Welcome warmy critic or not, Jensen doesn’t have a special pass to crap all over the new Abbott government just because he didn’t get a spot.

    +1

    Hubris and Science are no strangers.

  135. C.L.

    From the file marked ‘Don’t forget that Campbell Newman is a big city luvvie and a massive cockhead on many issues…’

    Mixed toilets, masculinity to be banned:

    BOY-GIRL sporting teams, neutral uniforms and mixed toilets and change rooms will all be promoted under a plan to downplay gender in state schools.

    Schools will be required to consider the needs of homosexual, transgender and intersex students in a bid to further protect vulnerable children from discrimination and bullying.

    Schools will also need to consider sleeping arrangements at camps and the timing of physical education classes to minimise issues around clothing changes.

    The policy, which is expected to be released next month, has been backed by Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek.

    Mr Langbroek said: “Self-identity can be very challenging for young people, particularly for our most vulnerable students.”

    Under the draft policy, schools will be encouraged to have mixed gender sporting teams and discuss with the student and parents options for toilets and change rooms, including access to any gender-neutral facilities.

    State school review makes life easier for transgender pupils.

  136. JC

    The fact that Emily’s List is a Liars creation speaks louder every year.

    It’s a collection of mentally disturbed harridans and bull dykes. All of them angry at men , better looking females and the world.

  137. Tom

    The ministry Tony Abbott has appointed for the 44th parliament is significantly different from almost all ministries in the past 43 parliaments – it includes a small business minister in the inner cabinet.

    And that small business minister, Bruce Billson, is a firebrand for the cause. The influence of small business on the affairs of the Coalition cabinet will have some parallels to the influence of unions on ALP government cabinets. It is small business people who dominate Coalition membership and funding. There is considerable evidence they also delivered Abbott his big majority and played a key role in breaking the Greens-ALP control over the Senate.

    Large companies and organisations (including the tax commissioner and other public servants) will need to take notice of the new cabinet structure because many will have to change the way they operate to conform to the new government emphasis on small business.

    In most previous ministries from both sides, small business was attached to another portfolio and rarely in the inner cabinet.

    RTWT

  138. C.L.

    I should have said, ‘gender toilets to be banned…’

  139. C.L.

    JC, did you see that Stedman was apparently selling shampoo out of his Commonwealth car?

  140. dover_beach

    PF, I think you’ve been taken in by spin. I know of the case of Savita Halappanavar :

    DUBLIN (AP) — An Irish jury on Friday found that poor medical care led to the death of an Indian woman who was denied an emergency abortion while she was having a miscarriage.

    The jury ruled after a two-week coroner’s inquest into the death of the woman, Savita Halappanavar, at University Hospital Galway in western Ireland on Oct. 28.

    The six-man, five-woman jury agreed that Ms. Halappanavar, 31, died from “medical misadventure” involving the failure of the hospital’s staff to identify, document or address her development of blood poisoning. Ms. Halappanavar’s husband, Praveen, said the hospital staff refused to give his wife an abortion even though her fetus had no chance of survival, citing the country’s Roman Catholic social policies against abortions.

    The staff waited three days until the 17-week-old fetus had died. By then Ms. Halappanavar was in an advanced state of septicemia, and she died four days later.

    The six-man, five-woman jury ruled that Ms. Halappanavar, who was a dentist, died from “medical misadventure,” meaning incompetence in her care.

    If blood poisoning had been properly identified, she could have been treated even if the treatment incidentally killed the child in order to save Savita’s life.

  141. JC

    JC, did you see that Stedman was apparently selling shampoo out of his Commonwealth car?

    Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

    No. Surely this can’t be true.

    Yes it can.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    Welcome warmy critic or not, Jensen doesn’t have a special pass to crap all over the new Abbott government just because he didn’t get a spot.

    Yes he does.

    He’s one of, if not the only Lib with any goddamn balls and principles. He never once gave into warmenism and he stood steadfast and true against the proposal to enshrine bitter and twisted local government turds in the constitution.

    Not only that he survived a full on assault from Dr’s Wives to unseat him from his own seat.

    Abbott is now our enemy and the socialist prick must be harangued to an early exit.

  143. Tom

    From the same link I posted above, this is quite exciting if you run a small operation or you’re a wave slave and want to go out on your own:

    Encouraged by the previous government (Bruce) Billson believes that the tax commissioner has been using his own rules to determine when a person is legitimately an independent contractor rather than the law of the land. And often tax officials have been very threatening to independent contractors. That will stop and that means that a lot more people can now be independent contractors, which will greatly increase the flexibility and productivity of the Australian work force. But of course it does not mean that people who clearly have an employment relationship can be independent contractors. However, any independent contractor who is still being illegally persecuted by tax officials should go straight to Billson. It’s time for the tax officials to obey the law in this area.

    Along with Tony Abbott and most other ministers, Billson believes that there is enormous scope for deregulation across the whole face of federal government administration. Deregulation will make it easier to operate a small business and employ people and/or enter into agreements with independent contractors – it’s key part of the one million job creation program.

  144. Popular Front

    So it’s perhaps time for you to update your thinking on the matter rather than mouthing leftist pap and pretending that it’s still 1970

    Whoa, hostility! Back the truck up there stickman, I am advocating no such thing. I have seen those gruesome images of Gosnell’s handiwork and was nauseated, along with everybody else I expect. All I said was that abortion at the early stage should be every woman’s right but there should be (not HAS to be you might note) a clear early cutoff date. If there must be a late-term abortion then it should be for a clear medical reason, not just because the woman changes her mind at 7 months and decides she doesn’t want it.

  145. JC

    IT

    Jansen sounds a good guy. But can’t go apeshit at the new govt before its even officially in office.

  146. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    This society really needs to have a proper debate about women, one that is not informed entirely by tired left-wing theorising. Most women have lives as wives (or cohabiters with a man) and usually as mothers also and often too as paid workers. There are stages in such lives and different choices may be made. Forcing one model of female existence onto this complexity by requiring ‘quotas’ to sustain this model, and ideologically privileging this model in all discourse about women, combined with confected outrage about sexism and misogyny, does a great disservice to women everywhere.

    Female Liberal Senators and ex-Senators thumping Labor’s tub for them on this matter show just how deeply the ideological poison has seeped into the zeitgeist, in print and on the airwaves and in kneejerk reactions. Time to turn it around. It has ruined far too many women’s lives already.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    “Self-identity can be very challenging for young people, particularly for our most vulnerable students.”

    Another reason we need a science minister.

    If you’re sporting a cock you’re a lad. If not, you probably ain’t.

  148. Cold-Hands

    Google it, the story is out there. The woman needed to abort the foetus to have a chance of staying alive and she was too weak to be moved to any other country for the procedure but the Irish authorities, under the rules of the day said ‘no’ and subsequently the woman and her unborn foetus died.

    Unfortunately this case has been taken up by the pro-choice movement and the facts are being obscured. While an earlier termination may have helped it appears that the hospital medical staff erred by missing the early indications of sepsis and failing to treat it adequately. If a diagnosis of septicaemia/septic abortion had been made when the signs and symptoms first appeared, an abortion was already permissible under Ireland’s existing laws but the diagnosis was not made until the infection was well established, by which stage it was too late.

    The report found that when Halappanavar, a 31-year-old Indian dentist living in the western city of Galway, was hospitalized for back pain 17 weeks into her pregnancy, doctors identified she was miscarrying and the fetus could not survive.

    But they consistently missed evidence for days pointing to an existing case of sepsis, or blood poisoning, as the cause. Blood test results were left uninspected and successive shifts failed to read earlier medical notes as vital signs worsened.

    The report found that doctors placed too much emphasis on measuring the fetus’ heartbeat and too little on investigating why Halappanavar’s white blood-cell count was jumping, her blood pressure was falling and her heart rate and temperature were rising. All were signs of growing internal infection linked to a rupture in her uterus that a night-shift doctor identified in notes, but a day-shift doctor failed to read.

    The pro-choice movement have whitewashed the errors made by the medical staff and blamed the Irish law as it then was for the death, and almost every newspaper or web article has reported it from this angle.

  149. Driftforge

    All I said was that abortion at the early stage should be every woman’s right

    Do you promote slavery as well?

  150. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From JC at 12:17 pm:

    ” The fact that Emily’s List is a Liars creation speaks louder every year.

    It’s a collection of mentally disturbed harridans and bull dykes. All of them angry at men , better looking females and the world.”

    Drew a good laugh because it is both funny and oh so true.

  151. Popular Front

    Happy to stand corrected d_b.

    Ms. Halappanavar’s husband, Praveen, said the hospital staff refused to give his wife an abortion even though her fetus had no chance of survival, citing the country’s Roman Catholic social policies against abortions

    I still feel that her sad story backs up what I earlier said. Her life might have been saved had she been allowed an abortion and that should have been her right. Very touchy subject, now I’ve got twostixx up above practically accusing me of supporting full-term abortion, which I most certainly DO NOT.

  152. Popular Front

    Do you promote slavery as well?

    What the fuck has slavery got to do with anything? Are you trying to score some points or are you just a smartarse.

  153. Driftforge

    What the fuck has slavery got to do with anything? Are you trying to score some points or are you just a smartarse.

    What is the difference between claiming chattel ownership of a human that has been born and a human that hasn’t? The arguments are exactly the same, and no more valid in the current case than they were 150 odd years ago when slavery was abolished.

  154. Driftforge

    Are you trying to score some points or are you just a smartarse.

    Generally just a smartarse; always trying to get people to think.

  155. JC

    Girls please, no hair pulling and scratching.

  156. nic

    From Bolta:

    The Left buries Mirabella, then complains she’s not there

    That’s a very good point

  157. Popular Front

    What is the difference between claiming chattel ownership of a human that has been born and a human that hasn’t?

    Indeed Driftforge, what is it? It is a philosophical question to which I cannot give an answer. That said I am going to back out of this minefield with my fingers in my ears. I did not set out to offend anyone, so apologies if anyone has taken offence.

  158. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Infidel Tiger at 12:26 pm:

    ” “Self-identity can be very challenging for young people, particularly for our most vulnerable students.”

    Another reason we need a science minister.

    If you’re sporting a cock you’re a lad. If not, you probably ain’t.”

    They’re making shirt lifting compulsory? Lord help us! I saw Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek in the shops the other day – I wish I knew then ‘cos I could have suggested he get on with his job and stop being such a useless bloody woofter.

    Little wonder the Qantas Harmless Wallabies cannot field a team big enough and tough enough to compete on even terms with the men who play for the fabulous All Blacks and the mighty Springboks.

  159. Gab

    Only Lefties take offense. We’re just having a discussion, or so I thought.

  160. Tom

    Do these pricks ever shut up?:

    FORMER Gillard government minister and influential former union leader Greg Combet will tonight officially launch in Sydney Anthony Albanese’s campaign to become Labor leader.

    The high-profile endorsement by one of the nation’s most respected ALP figures will help build momentum for Mr Albanese’s campaign to win the rank-and-file vote.

    Mr Combet is a very respected former ACTU leader and his intervention is expected to mobilise many ALP members to support Mr Albanese.

    It comes as Bill Shorten will campaign in Melbourne today and will visit the Western Autistic School in Melbourne’s western suburbs to build his case for the leadership.

  161. Combine Dave

    All I said was that abortion at the early stage should be every woman’s right but there should be (not HAS to be you might note) a clear early cutoff date. If there must be a late-term abortion then it should be for a clear medical reason, not just because the woman changes her mind at 7 months and decides she doesn’t want it.

    Seems to be the mainstream (ie; Centre Left/Centre Right) view.

    Where’s the controversy and link to slavery?

  162. Combine Dave

    As for Albo Vs Shorten….. they really must be scrapping the barrel by now if this is all that’s left to run for the leadership….

  163. dover_beach

    If there must be a late-term abortion then it should be for a clear medical reason, not just because the woman changes her mind at 7 months and decides she doesn’t want it.

    PF, No, there must never be the deliberate taking of an innocent person’s life.

  164. entropy

    Koch, having caught Snowcone’s sensibilus interruptus disorder, claims that Christians have a history of violence against Moslems. I would love to drag that thing of a man across to Syria so that the lovely Islamists could educate him with a cluebat.

    Sometimes Christians fall short of their aim to always turn the other cheek.

  165. Popular Front

    We’re just having a discussion, or so I thought

    So did I until I got a right royal kick in the balls above. My opinion obviously differs to others but my underlying statement is one of support to those who either want (early) or must have (later) the procedure to promote the indiviuals life expectancy. The Gosnells of this world shound be strung up by the heels and flayed, slowly.

  166. nic

    It comes as Bill Shorten will campaign in Melbourne today and will visit the Western Autistic School in Melbourne’s western suburbs to build his case for the leadership.

    Given the candidate, its an appropriate place as any.

  167. C.L.

    Mr Combet is a very respected former ACTU leader …

    LOL.

  168. Gab

    Perhaps robust debate is not to your liking. People disagree here all the time, quite vehemently in some cases but only lefties get offended. You should have been here during the Marines are not Soldiers Wars.

  169. C.L.

    Speaking of women’s issues …

    Not really my type (pale, brunette and fleshy) but you have to respect the professional women Ace showcases every week:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/343447.php

  170. Popular Front

    d_b, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this and move on to something else, OK? I don’t come here to fight with others but to have discussions. I don’t like to descend into personal vitriol, it is unecessary IMV.

  171. dover_beach

    The link between abortion and slavery is pretty clear I would have thought, as Driftforge has illustrated. In both instances, you have innocent human beings categorized in ways that allow for their right to life and/ or liberty, respectively, to be extinguished by other human beings.

  172. Popular Front

    Perhaps robust debate is not to your liking

    Sure it is Gab, I enjoy it enormously but if I make a point or a statement that is disagreed with then by all means convert me with a facts-based argument and win me over. Name-calling and petty abuse is for the schoolyard, perhaps not even there.

  173. Pedro

    “PF, No, there must never be the deliberate taking of an innocent person’s life.”

    I’m pretty sure the Brothers told us you could abort to save the mum’s life. So even the RC can see the sense of that.

  174. Popular Front

    I see the connection now and I take his point, now that I understand it. In this country and many others, slavery is not an issue perhaps not even on the horizon but abortion certainly is.

  175. Popular Front

    but only lefties get offended

    Just to clear the air, I’m no lefty. I am a paid-up card-carrying member of the National Party and before that the Country Party. I don’t get offended, just disappointed when robust debate falls apart into personal abuse. I missed that ‘Marines are not Soldiers’ thread, it must have been before I joined in but I have a friend down the road aways who is a former US Marine, combat veteran of Gulf 1 & Somalia who would vigerously debate that issue.

  176. blind freddy

    Tom
    Agree with your sentiment.
    Notice the interesting comment at the end
    “It comes as Bill Shorten will campaign in Melbourne today and will visit the Western Autistic School in Melbourne’s western suburbs to build his case for the leadership.” –
    –much could be made etc.!!

  177. Gab

    Name-calling and petty abuse is for the schoolyard, perhaps not even there.

    That’s quite remarkable given the only name-calling and petty abuse that occurred in this discussion was carried out by you.

  178. nilk

    Re Kochie bleating about the terrible situation of christians objecting to having a mosque built next to their church.

    I missed it, obviously, but I’m curious as to which proposed mosque it is?

    In Doveton we have an application to build a mosque next to Danny Nalliah’s new church (yet to be built).

    In Shepparton there is a development going ahead for a new mosque within spitting distance of a Sikh temple.

    Up in the municipality of Hume there is an application now off to VCAT for a mosque that the locals don’t want. Especially when it’s been proposed for construction next to the Assyrian church. The one built by Assyrians who fled islam and built themselves a nice community here.

    There’s the Hallam North mosque next door to a church that is also expanding, but I think the locals have given up complaining because they’re ‘racist’ when they do, so it wouldn’t be that one.

  179. C.L.

    Ultimately, the thing killing of the abortion industry (which is historically linked to Nazism) is science. The Catholic Church – which created the university system and the laws of evidence – has won the argument. What remains is the filtering down into culture of that victory. And we’re seeing that in the United States, inexorably.

  180. Popular Front

    Bright news from the BBC:
    Engineers in Italy have succeeded in setting the cruise ship Costa Concordia upright, 20 months after it ran aground off the island of Giglio. They said that the unprecedented salvage effort “reached degree zero (vertical), which was our target”.

  181. Popular Front

    the only name-calling and petty abuse

    OK point taken. I felt I had been ambushed by an irrelevant link of abortion to slavery, maybe I should have thought about it more. Having said that, compared the violent exchanges of abuse between some here my comment was at Sunday School level.

  182. Empire Strikes Back

    Tom
    #1005114, posted on September 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    That is excellent news. Billson must direct the AFP to investigate whether The Commissioner of Taxation and his minions are indeed guilty of self regulating. If sufficient evidence is uncovered, they must be prosecuted.

    We must have mandatory sentencing for public officials who self regulate. I favour hard labour (cleaning the slops on Manus) for low ranking, corporal punishment (lashings with salt) for mid ranking and capital punishment (crucifixion) for executive level.

  183. Popular Front

    Doveton, Nilk.

    ??? Gab?

  184. Tom

    I can’t look at catwalk models in the same way ever again after someone at the Cat explained to me that they’re mostly male homosexual fantasies.

  185. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Popular Front at 1:08 pm

    “Bright news from the BBC:
    Engineers in Italy have succeeded in setting the cruise ship Costa Concordia upright,”

    I’d be mightily disappointed if there were no wymminses among those clever engineers. That would be plain wrong.

  186. dover_beach

    I’m pretty sure the Brothers told us you could abort to save the mum’s life. So even the RC can see the sense of that.

    Pedro, if they did, they were wrong, but given the sort of Catholic education provided over the last half century that shouldn’t surprise anyone. You are never allowed to deliberately kill the child. You are, however, allowed to engage in measures which are deliberately intended to save the mother but may incidentally kill the child.

  187. Popular Front

    among those clever engineers

    I’ll bet there were. In my observations Italian women compete in all the sciences and engineering pathways and are in many cases better at it than men.

  188. Empire Strikes Back

    Take it to the abortion thread people.

  189. Popular Front

    No Empire, I’m out. I now think it was a bad idea on my part to comment in the first place.

  190. JC

    Tom

    I’ve see that argument but I’m not buying it.

    The fashion industry is cutthroat . If one of the designers can get a leg up on the others ( work with me) they would by using bigger bodies females. Eventually they would all move in that direction.

  191. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Popular Front at 1:18 pm:

    ” among those clever engineers

    I’ll bet there were. In my observations Italian women compete in all the sciences and engineering pathways and are in many cases better at it than men.”

    Oh I never read the report Popular Front, I was just being affronted on behalf of all wymminses everywhere, just in case.

  192. dd

    I can’t look at catwalk models in the same way ever again after someone at the Cat explained to me that they’re mostly male homosexual fantasies.

    Yeah I don’t buy it either. That’s a rather odd claim to make.

  193. JamesK

    lol…Pravda: Syria: The shocking truth incriminates the USA

    Firstly let us take a look at the “evidence” Obama and Kerry were peddling. For a start, John Kerry makes his mark under Peter’s Principle as a failed Presidential candidate. As a diplomat and statesman, as US Secretary of State, he is either an incompetent jackass or else he is a barefaced, blatant liar, either case rendering him totally unfit for the job.

    One of the photos he was waving around as evidence to incriminate President Al-Assad was taken in Iraq in 2003.

  194. Empire Strikes Back

    No Empire, I’m out. I now think it was a bad idea on my part to comment in the first place.

    An innocent mistake. Beware the moral fundamentalists in future. They maintain a vice like grip once they latch on.

  195. ella

    On the subject of abortion.

    There is an excellent article in the September edition of Quadrant written by Western Australian medical researcher and academic, Professor Philip Burcham -” Genetic counseling and the Death of Medical Compassion.”

    Professor Burcham suffers from Brittle Bone Disease and discovered, on an unplanned visit to a hospital, and a genetic counselor, that he is expected to abort any children who suffer from this disease.

    It is not just healthy children being aborted. There seems to be a eugenics program underway in our hospitals to abort any child deemed to be from a genetic underclass.

    I Can’t find a link to this article. Can anybody help?

  196. Gab

    clever engineers

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish. True story.

  197. JC

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish. True story.

    Lol did they. I hope they weren’t original owner goldfish.

  198. C.L.

    Women’s Weekly and Cleo ‘editor’ criticises high-powered law firm partner Julie Bishop as a “token.”

  199. Gab

    Each table had a small goldfish bowl as a centerpiece. They were conducting asn experiment to see if goldfish could get drunk. Or something.

  200. tbh

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish. True story.

    When I was at uni engineers among the blokes and nurses among the chicks were the wildest on campus. I did sci/eng and didn’t get up to quite the same level of shenanigans but still played up in ways that probably now embarrass me.

  201. Gab

    Here’s the link, Ella and thank you for mentioning this article.

  202. Gab

    Oops, sorry. It’s sub only.

  203. C.L.

    … they attempted to poison poor little goldfish …

    Mmm. They remind me of someone.

    Who could it be? 😀

  204. Gab

    No idea, CL. None whatsoever.

  205. dover_beach

    ella, here is the link, but it is behind a pay-wall.

  206. Rabz

    Engineering students always had the most depraved parties back in my days as a student.

    Drink like goldfishes, they could (among other activities).

  207. Cold-Hands

    That Pravda article is certainly an entertaining read, but the author, one Mr. Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey is barking mad. Some of what he writes might possibly be true, but I’d wait until it appears in a reputable journal-of-record before paying too much credence to what he’s written.

  208. Septimus

    Good afternoon folks. Seems ’twas pleasant on the forum this morning – no trolls, and no troll-baiting* – nice.

    *(assuming Dan is not a troll … his unwelcome comment was, in the event, appropriately admonished by a number of Cats)

  209. Mr Skeletor

    I’ll bet there were. In my observations Italian women compete in all the sciences and engineering pathways and are in many cases better at it than men.

    My observation is most Italian women and men complete degree after degree while mooching off the family and never actually get a job.

  210. Tal

    Do we have a new government yet?

  211. brc

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish. True story.

    When I was at uni engineers among the blokes and nurses among the chicks were the wildest on campus. I did sci/eng and didn’t get up to quite the same level of shenanigans but still played up in ways that probably now embarrass me.

    You all sound like you went to university for pansies. Most of my university stories are unprintable. Drunk goldfish ? Pfffft. Doesn’t even involve a visit from the boys in blue.

  212. Nanuestalker

    Genetic Counselling and the death of medical compassion – Philip Burcham
    LINK

  213. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gab at 1:33 pm:

    ” clever engineers

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish.”

    Yeah. Well?

    Engineers were base level individuals who were useful in rugby forward packs. It also helped that you could find them easily when you needed replacements – they never ventured much further then the Forest Lodge Hotel just across Parramatta Road (and Friday at the Paragon on Circular Quay if they were from Joeys).

    From tbh at 1:37 pm:

    “When I was at uni engineers among the blokes and nurses among the chicks were the wildest on campus.”

    Yes. I was going to add up there that they didn’t complicate their lives unnecessarily with women. The nurses from up at Camperdown and the Childrens Hospital? – that suited them, they could accommodate that.

  214. Septimus

    Popular Front

    if I make a point or a statement that is disagreed with then by all means convert me with a facts-based argument and win me over. Name-calling and petty abuse is for the schoolyard, perhaps not even there.

    Well said.

  215. boy on a bike

    Engineers are animals. The stories I could tell…At one engineers’ function they attempted to poison poor little goldfish. True story.

    Pfft. We had a drinking game that involved swallowing goldfish freshly caught from one of the ponds scattered around the uni. It helped if you were sober enough to catch a small one instead of a fricking huge carp.

  216. boy on a bike

    Plus we once attempted to acquire enough gellatin to set a goldfish pond.

  217. C.L.

    Engineers were base level individuals who were useful in rugby forward packs.

    Pfft.

    I played rugby with several of them. All hat and no tackle.

  218. Gab

    Pfft. We had a drinking game that involved swallowing goldfish freshly caught from one of the ponds scattered around the uni.

    Funnily enough, that was the fate of the goldfish at the function.

  219. C.L.

    Yes, Tal. We have a new government.

    It is the most sexist government in the history of history, according to the men who took to Julia Gillard with a meat cleaver.

  220. Lysander

    The ALP keep trying this line about Abbott and how “1950’s” he is. They’ve been trying this for a while and I don’t think it sticks given election outcome and most people probably liked the 1950’s as they brought us:

    -An outward fear of Lefties (and rightfully so);
    -Quieter time for families and more time from work;
    -Affordable housing;
    -Marriage equality was a big issue (in that good old sense);
    -There weren’t so many useless Fed depts;
    -Menzies was in charge;
    -The DLP was a formiddable force.

    Hmmm sounds quite nice to me 🙂

  221. Foresters used to give the engineers a run for their money in the drinking and football stakes, but these days I suppose they’ve shrivelled down into grubby ferals with environmental hangups.

  222. Yes, the 1950’s and 1960’s are right back in fashion. We are accessorising with a Menzies flavoured government.

  223. C.L.

    The 1950s was a golden age of balls-out personal freedom besides which the early 2000s are a Dickensian-Victorian embarrassment of straitlaced Methodist puritanicalism.

  224. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Just saw on FoxNews a commander of the US naval yard in wherever-it-was giving initial answers in the street to the media pack – tall, tough, unsmiling, crewcut, clear strong voice, matter of fact, not weeping, economic with his answers along the lines of:

    What weapon did he have: “Handgun.” Just one word.

    Some other question on detail: “Negative.”

    Couple more like that, then:

    What happened next? “He was shot. In the head.”

    No further questions.

    Pretty to watch.

  225. brc

    The ALP keep trying this line about Abbott and how “1950?s” he is

    As always, it is projection.

    The ALP wants a return to a highly nationalized economy and the white Austrlaia policy. The first thing they did on return to power was and back industrial law back to the 1950s.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    No idea, CL. None whatsoever.

    Gab, I am going to blow your cover on this one.

    Gab, everyone, has freely and openly admitted on this blog, (it is part of blog history), that she idly wondered what would happen to little goldfish in the much-loved goldfish tank at her school, if she were to ladle some interesting chemicals into the water.

    Gab was able to write in the ‘Conclusion’ part of her scientific work, during the resultant detention no doubt: Experiment Resulted in Death of All Goldfish.

    Naughtiest girl in the school, that Gab.
    Or was the just the beginning of a remarkable scientific career? 🙂

  227. ella

    Thanks to Gab and Dover. It’s a shame it’s behind a paywall.

    From philosopher, Philip Kitcher:

    “Individual choices are not made in a social vacuum, and unless changes in social attitudes keep pace with proliferation of genetic tests, we can anticipate that many prospective parents, acting to avoid misery for potential children, will have to bow to social attitudes they reject and resent. They will have to choose abortion even though they believe that a more caring society might have enabled the child who would have been born to lead a happy and fulfilling life. Laisse-faire eugenics is in danger of retaining the most disturbing aspect its historical predecessors – the tendency to try to transform the population in a particular direction, not to avoid suffering but to reflect a set of social values.”

  228. Gab

    Vicious lies. Clearly Lizzie is channeling Boob Ellis.

  229. Lysander

    Yes, the 1950?s and 1960?s are right back in fashion. We are accessorising with a Menzies flavoured government.

    Trendy. Retro is the new black. 🙂

  230. Tal

    Men dressed better in the 50’s

  231. Rabz

    Vicious lies. Clearly Lizzie is channeling Boob Ellis.

    However, Gab – I do remember the actual story about you and the goldfish.

  232. Nick Cater mentions a Peggy Hailstone, professional grant seeker and writer. A would-be glass ceiling shatterer too, no doubt.

  233. entropy

    Palmer is now only 122 in front with 3349 votes to be counted in Fairfax. I think it will just tip over.

    Curious thing though, while postals are 62% in favour of the LNP candidate, absentees are 55% in favour of Clive. Either absentees were nearly twice as susceptible to Clive’s last minute advertising blitz as the electorate as a whole, or there is the possibility that Clive is protesting too much and it might be worth do siding why he is carrying on about the risk of rigging.

  234. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 2:17 pm:

    “The 1950s was a golden age of balls-out personal freedom besides which the early 2000s are a Dickensian-Victorian embarrassment of straitlaced Methodist puritanicalism.”

    You haven’t been to Cavill and Orchid Avenues on any evening late in the week. Skirt hems have attained maximum altitude and no knickers is unremarkable. Not many of them appear to bear a brain, male or female, and paralytic by midnight is universal, non discriminatory.

  235. Rabz

    I’m being persecuted.

    🙂

    #softsoaping

  236. tbh

    Engineers were base level individuals who were useful in rugby forward packs. It also helped that you could find them easily when you needed replacements – they never ventured much further then the Forest Lodge Hotel just across Parramatta Road (and Friday at the Paragon on Circular Quay if they were from Joeys).

    Yep. Where I went to Uni the annual Engines v Law rugby game was a highlight.

  237. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gab at 2:31 pm

    “I’m being persecuted.”

    Funniest thing I’ve read all day. 🙂

    And Elizabeth outs you as a goldfish botherer!

  238. Empire Strikes Back

    Men dressed better in the 50?s

    They certainly did. Has anyone come across a plausible hypothesis that explains why GenY are allergic to shoe polish?

  239. Ronaldo

    Curious thing though, while postals are 62% in favour of the LNP candidate, absentees are 55% in favour of Clive.

    Yes it is interesting Entropy. I wonder if at least part of the reason might be name recognition – absentee voters are less likely to get HTV cards for their actual electorate, and may therefore have put Clive, who has been pretty successful in making himself known throughout the land, higher up their preferences than might otherwise be the case.

  240. Tom

    This morning it was chief Abbott-hater Mark Kenny (not the other one — the dumb one) beating up the Great Vagina Scandal of 20-13 (which the howler monkery didn’t think of until after the erection). Now — at 1.41pm exactly — ShakeMyHead.com has wheeled out a vagina to double down on the Get Abbott hatred:

    Prime Minister-elect, we’ve been through this! We’ve talked about it time and time again and we thought it was resolved. After you made the quip about the ironing and the housewives of Australia, remember? And those tricky historical abortion comments that kept cropping up and you couldn’t quite explain away? And the time you seemed to imply our unmarried female prime minister was somehow living in sin?
    ……
    But now you’ve gone and done this. A single woman in your 19-person cabinet. Really? Other competent women, you say, are “knocking on the door” of cabinet – you have appointed four women to your outer ministry and one woman as parliamentary secretary (she has been demoted).
    Quota systems are generally a last resort, necessary only when an organisation’s culture doesn’t allow for women to rise at a rate roughly equal to men, that is, on their merit.
    ……
    To have such a woman-poor cabinet is to either say that you deliberately overlook competent women because you are sexist, or to say there are no competent women in your ranks to promote in the first place.

    If the latter is the case, whose fault is that?

    I don’t think the people who got rid of the Emily’s List mediocracy on September 7 are listening.

  241. Gab

    Slanderous accusations. Pictures or it didn’t happen, Mick.

  242. Viva

    Engineering students at the University of Auckland had their campus out of town at one time (to protect the citizenry?) Every time there was a student meeting to vote on some protest or another, the engineering students would arrive en masse to drown out the lefties and generally cause havoc.

    From experience in the workplace I can attest to the raucous behaviour of this professional group – and that’s putting it very politely.

  243. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Clearly Lizzie is channeling Boob Ellis.

    Noooo. That is Philippa’s patch. I wouldn’t dare.

  244. Nanuestalker

    Thanks to Gab and Dover. It’s a shame it’s behind a paywall.

    Ella – see my link above to abc website.

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