Wednesday Forum: September 25, 2013

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  1. Popular Front

    If the girl closest to camera can do 20 chin-ups, I’ll walk to Marble Bar

    Given that the REEF’s fight time has been cut to the bone, those girls will all end up as penguins I would think.

  2. Token

    Can anyone possibly explain why the leader of the Greens could possibly need that many staff?

    P-lease, this is the party in favour of rigid over legislation.

    One imagines a staff of 6 would require 2 documenters, one auditor and one ombudsman, and that would be for the cleaning protocols in the kitchen.

  3. Token

    … a substantiated misuse claim, a criminal history and outstanding warrant in New Zealand, a work history which included irregular hours, questionable reasons for sick leave, concerns over his corporate credit card use and a failure to deliver on projects, Barlow was not only allowed to skate by, he was promoted.

    With his minority credentials I’m surprised Bill Shorten didn’t find a quota for him in parliament.

  4. Helen

    Armadillo, I wonder what value the motto ‘whatever it takes’ has, now it has been proven to lead to disaster?

  5. Helen

    , his irregular hours, his bullying (which included making staff members cry on a regular basis), his inability to meet project deadlines, his tardiness because he was waiting on tradesmen or having a personal training session – but “everyone seemed to laugh it off because ‘it was HoKevin’”.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/barlow-case-would-be-a-farce–if-it-was-funny-20130925-2ueml.html#ixzz2fxDhQh00

  6. Tom

    Minor communist celebrity Julia Gillard continues to preach the benefits of lying your way into office to attack the Great Satan capitalism, while sucking up to the dregs of the Hollywood and the US Democratic Party:

    Her voice loud and strong, Ms Gillard took the microphone, telling the audience about her former government’s introduction of a carbon pricing policy, which she described as “an incredibly politically vexed debate”. She quickly added it “may not stay”, due to the new Coalition government.

    “Ultimately the incentives need to be not only what you are prepared to do internally within your own business but what we are prepared to do as nation states working together to reduce carbon,” she told the audience at the event held at the Sheraton New York in midtown Manhattan.

    Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard at Clinton Global Initiative in New York City.
    Ms Gillard went largely unrecognised at the event. Photo: Getty Images
    “And I think it’s unarguable that the most efficient way of reducing carbon is to price it across economies so that you drive different choices about energy generation and reward those who are generating energy for us.

    “In Australia, we did that – price carbon. It’s been an incredibly politically vexed debate and the truth is the carbon price may not stay as a result of the recent change in government,” she said.

    She pointed to China where some of its provinces were piloting an Emission Trading Schemes – “something that should be applauded”.

    Ms Gillard ended her four-minute speech by saying that it was up to nations to consider pricing carbon. “We should not let the global financial crisis and the carbon price volatility deter us from that long term solution,” Ms Gillard said.

    Later in the day the irony could not have been lost on Ms Gillard when she opted to attend another “breakout session” titled “Lessons from the Frontlines of Women’s Leadership”, in which actress Kate Hudson spoke, her mother Goldie Hawn seated nearby.

    Following a number of official speeches, the gathering was invited to add input and talk of their experiences at the frontline of leadership roles.

    Yet despite the chair’s encouraging words: “What are the hard lessons you’ve learned in the past year, during the past few months?” Ms Gillard remained silent.

    “What are the hard insights you have learned? Let’s try to share those lessons,” the chair pressed.

    Ms Gillard refused to raise her hand. Perhaps it is still all too raw.

  7. Token

    while sucking up to the dregs of the Hollywood and the US Democratic Party

    As Paul Murray noted last night, the Obama-washed leftards kept referring to her as the Australian “Head of State”.

  8. Token

    For our glorious futures, comrades…

    Madam Mao is a good alternate name for TLS considering what Michael Smith has been unearthing from her “typist” days the socialist forum.

  9. Aaron

    Lefty gate-keeper Maralyn Parker warns that the Coalition is about to start another ‘war’, this time with the public education system. She has labeled it the Pyne Wars, how clever.

    Forget the history and culture wars, I believe we are witnessing the beginning of the Pyne wars in education.

    Pyne has a combative nature and has always been antagonistic towards educators he considers to be “leftist ideologues”.

    Maralyn’s only answer to the erosion of academic standards in public education is to ululate for more money that the naughty Mr Pyne is withholding. However Parker doesn’t explain why that despite increased funding for public education for the past twenty years, academic results have been going backwards. Maybe it has something to do with graduate teachers who enter University with an ATAR below 60 – basically they were able to write their name on the exam paper and are then considered to be acceptable teachers of the next generation.

  10. Token

    Seems the bald idiot Coorey has finally got a scoop as a reward from his years of brown-nosing everyone in the Liars Party [H/t Michael Smith News]:

    Australia’s senior Islamic cleric threatened to withdraw community support for federal Labor in Western Sydney if union leader Paul Howes replaced Bob Carr in the Senate, a leaked email reveals.

    The email, written on behalf of the Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed, by his chief political adviser, accused Mr Howes of a “blind bias for Israel” and said that if he was appointed to the Senate, community support for Labor that was mustered for the federal election would be withdrawn.

    …“Paul has had a repeated pattern of blind bias toward Israel. His appointment would not at all help the ­engagement effort between the ALP and the wider Muslim community,” it says.

    As you know we have worked very hard to marshal our community to ­support and successfully retain the majority of ALP seats in Western ­Sydney against all odds, and the choice of Paul will threaten our efforts to maintain this momentum, especially if new elections are called in the next year.

    “I urge you to help us help you and present our concerns to the decisionmakers at the ALP so they realise the potential consequences of such a ­controversial choice.”

    The email starts with “Dear Jason, Tony, Julie and E”, who are Jason Clare, the member for Blaxland, Tony Burke, the member for Watson, Julie Owens, the member for Parramatta, and Ed Husic, the member for Chifley. All have large Islamic communities in their Western Sydney electorates.

    Never seen the email
    It is understood the letter also went to NSW Labor headquarters. Mr Husic fell ill after the election and said he had never seen the email.

  11. boy on a bike

    Milne lost 6 staff, which suggests she has even more.

  12. H B Bear

    With Tubbsie Milne’s staff showing all the loyalty of a Gillard cabinet member how long before Sarah Hanson-Hyphen trains those Crazy Eyes on the top job? Safely attached to the public teat for another six years it should only be a matter of time.

    And around 1 in 10 Australians still vote for these fruit loops.

  13. brc

    Can anyone possibly explain why the leader of the Greens could possibly need that many staff?

    I bet they all have their own special milk in the fridge and put hectoring labels like ‘bobs half fat soy milk, don’t use’

    And I just bet there is a cleaning roster next to a pile of hectoring flyers about the latest cause.

  14. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Elizabeth (Lizzie) B. at 7:43 am

    ” In her six-minute interivew with the university network, Ms Gillard said that it had been a mixed bag being Australia’s first female prime minister.

    ”It’s an experience that’s mixed, I’d have to say. Endless focus on hair, and clothes and shoes and things that men don’t have to put up with,” she said.”

    Does this slag ever shut up about men?

  15. Following a number of official speeches, the gathering was invited to add input and talk of their experiences at the frontline of leadership roles.

    Yet despite the chair’s encouraging words: “What are the hard lessons you’ve learned in the past year, during the past few months?” Ms Gillard remained silent.

    “What are the hard insights you have learned? Let’s try to share those lessons,” the chair pressed.

    Ms Gillard refused to raise her hand. Perhaps it is still all too raw.

    I am afraid Ms Gillard has learned nothing, therefore there is nothing to say.

  16. C.L.

    A photo caption at that SMH report of Gillard’s sad New York trip:

    US actress Kate Hudson speaks to a session called “Lessons from the Frontlines of Women’s Leadership” at the Clinton Global Initiative. Photo: AFP

    Well, one of the lessons from the frontlines of women’s leadership is to never be in a position where you’re sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton. Because you will be made to suffer for complaining, big time. This is one the most comically absurd chapters in this idiotic woman’s woeful ‘career.’

  17. I love how Abbott is creating something new for the office of prime minister: mystique.

    While his predecessors Rudd and Gillard only create: mistakes

  18. Gab

    At the other end of the scale, the Abbotts celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary (on Tuesday) with friends and family at Guillaume at Bennelong last night. Picture.

  19. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From jupes at 8:07 am

    ” Putin is toying with Greenpeace but has taken piracy off the table.

    Weak prick.”

    I’d say Vladimir has done this more because the countries from which the goons come are the “weak plicks”.

    He is well aware that they, including big tough Australia and the USA, would simply be unable to cope at all with any sanction against their feisty little greenpeace kiddies.

  20. Endless focus on hair, and clothes and shoes and things that men don’t have to put up with,” she said.

    No other politician has dyed his / her hair a different shade of red everyday with live-in hairdresser.

  21. Gab

    Endless focus on hair, and clothes and shoes and things that men don’t have to put up with,”

    How many hairdos did she have? How many times did she have a different shade of red hair colour? Hoe many times did she trip over and blame her shoes? How much time did she spend on getting her wardrobe makeover? Good God, she’s a hypocrite.

  22. calli

    Endless focus on hair, and clothes and shoes and things that men don’t have to put up with,”

    And don’t get me started on the contact lenses/glasses shtick.

  23. C.L.

    John Gibson of Somers, NY, kept placing a pro- Second Amendment sign in his yard and it kept disappearing. So he set up a camera to catch a thief. The results tell you all you need to know about contemporary America.

    Fed-Up NY Man Sets Up Hidden Camera to Find Out Who Was Repeatedly Stealing His Pro-Gun Sign – What He Discovered Blew Him Away.

  24. Tom

    Ya know what else? AbbottAbbottAbbott666 caused Sydney house prices. Desperate for a fresh angle of attack on the new government, ShakeMyHead.com digs up a whiney Gen Y bank clerk:

    I feel compelled to write this as a young Australian who is both saddened and terrified by what is unfolding in the housing market in Sydney.

    My generation has been forgotten by our parents’ generation and the politicians who are supposed to protect us. In Australia, like in most Western countries, there is no 10-year plan. Politics in Australia is about re-election and doing whatever it takes to prolong the status quo. This was in evidence with the federal election; if ever there was an election that was not won, it was on September 7.

    At what point did things become so unsustainable that none of my friends in high-paying jobs in Sydney can afford the deposit on a house without their parents’ help? And even then, if they are lucky enough to have wealthy parents, they are lumbered with huge mortgages as the average house price is about $700,000 and the average unit $500,000. You see ”entry-level” houses advertised for $1 million.

  25. candy

    Endless focus on hair, and clothes and shoes and things that men don’t have to put up with,” she said.

    One would have to wonder how she would have coped if she had family to tend to, if doing her hair and choosing shoes stressed her so much.

  26. twostix

    The strangest thing is why on earth TLS even bothered “negotiating” at all. The Greens were never ever going to vote with the LNP.

    It’s perfectly within reason if you look at her life history. I posit that Gillard does not like Labor, in fact hates Labor and it’s vile, genuinely misogynistic “labour movement” sub culture and like all commies she views Labor as an historical enemy and blockade to true leftism. If Gillard were starting her career now she’d be a Green. She wanted to use Labor to shove the country left and hopefully wound Labor opening the way for a truly leftist party.

  27. boy on a bike

    Endless focus on hair, and clothes

    Right – so budgie smugglers aren’t clothes?

    Pfft.

  28. brc

    Speaking of this idiot from the abc trying to peddle guilt for suburban life, did anyone catch gruen transfer
    Last night?

    The ad competiton was turned over to students from UTS and RMIT, and they were given the brief to produce an ad to convince illegal immigrants to stop coming.

    The RMIT entry tried to put some humor into it by suggesting the place was full of spiders, snakes and sharks so better if you stay away.

    The UTS entry put three stereotypes up on a stage and recited lines taken from blog comments of the ‘f off, were full’ variety.

    The panel near unamaoulsy gave it to the sneering one, which have each panellist a chance to sneer how much they hate Australians and that Australia is a racist, hateful xenophobic place. It was sickening to witness, especially from a panel composed e tirely of Australians.

    Of course, no mention of the countries where the immigrants are coming from wanting to behead normal Australians for the crime of being white and infidels. That set of hate speech is different, I guess.

    That this sort of naked hatred of normal people is broadcast is bad enough, but to sit there and decry the very people that pay your wages….well, it’s very insulting.

  29. nic

    US actress Kate Hudson speaks to a session called “Lessons from the Frontlines of Women’s Leadership” at the Clinton Global Initiative. Photo: AFP

    Yep, that would be Kate Hudson the leader /sarc

  30. .

    How does a 10 year plan help housing affordability?

    45% of the price of a new home is tax.

    If you want cheaper homes, vote for lower taxes!

  31. Gab

    Can anyone remember a PM or former PM whining on the international stage about ‘how they done treat me wrong’ becuase on gender’? I wish she would just shut up and go away into obscurity. Why does she continue to seek the limelight?

  32. calli

    I feel compelled to write this as a young Australian who is both saddened and terrified by what is unfolding in the housing market in Sydney.

    What a miserable little bleater…and let me guess that he’s been living at home on mummy and daddy’s purse and is in late 20’s early 30’s. And has all the accessories of da yoof (albeit a geriatric yoof) including lots of happy snaps of overseas trips.

    As for entry level at $1mill, that’s just tosh, unless he’s wanting to move into Bellevue Hill.

  33. Gab

    45% of the price of a new home is tax.

    Really? No, it can’t be that high surely? Is it?

  34. egg_

    IT is never crude, as an example.

    Pull the other one…

  35. .

    GAB

    http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/tax/hia-demands-tax-relief-for-new-housing-ahead-of-tax-summit/2011092951734

    Sydney home buyers are feeling the brunt of the tax burden, paying an estimated 44% or $268,000 of the purchase price in taxes, followed by Melbourne buyers (38%, $184,000) and Brisbane (36%, $191,000) buyers.

  36. twostix

    but what we are prepared to do as nation states working together to reduce carbon,

    This is weird, I always thought they used the “carbon” thing as a ruse to muddy the public debate. But apparently they use it in private too, could it be that the dimwitted Gillard actually thinks that “carbon” is what all those fancy scientists are talking about? Is she really that stupid?

  37. H B Bear

    Gillard is clearly road testing the “woe was me shtick” she is going to use for the next 20 years.

    She will be a marvellous replacement for Mother Russia when she drops off the Emilys List twig.

  38. Gab

    Thanks, Dot. That is disgusting. Your point is well made.

  39. calli

    I’m building a new house for myself right now. BASIX is one of the most stupid burdens, all about ‘sustainability’ (says it all). Useless impositions re rain water tanks, electric boosted solar heating, what type of plants you can put in the garden…the list goes on and will bore you Cats to tears in its idiocy.

    I estimate it has cost me 15% of my build price to comply, and I’m talking trade.

  40. twostix

    At what point did things become so unsustainable that none of my friends in high-paying jobs in Sydney can afford the deposit on a house without their parents help’

    Bob Carr banned cheap housing development in NSW.

    Next question.

  41. Popular Front

    Yep, that would be Kate Hudson the leader

    Daughter of Goldie Hawn, who in typical Hollywood fashion made a bundle portraying airheaded bimbos.

  42. C.L.

    As for entry level at $1mill, that’s just tosh, unless he’s wanting to move into Bellevue Hill.

    What you have to understand, of course, is that today’s urbanite lefty whiner – and a few non-lefty whiners too, for that matter – believe they have a basic human right to live (and own) in the inner-city. The notion of living in suburbs suited to their income is actually a spiritually painful one for them to contemplate. It means finally accepting that they are ordinary people.

  43. Toiling Mass

    Bill Shorten was in the party that tried to destroy Australia as it is so he could create according to his own vision.

    Billy, don’t be a Nero.

  44. C.L.

    I’m building a new house for myself right now. BASIX is one of the most stupid burdens, all about ‘sustainability’ (says it all). Useless impositions re rain water tanks, electric boosted solar heating, what type of plants you can put in the garden…the list goes on and will bore you Cats to tears in its idiocy.

    I estimate it has cost me 15% of my build price to comply, and I’m talking trade.

    Right. So someone tell me what state LIBERAL governments are doing about this.

    I’ll tell you: nothing.

    All of the enviro-sustainability horseshit, all of the taxes – all of it stays under the Liberals.

    I utterly despise the cowardice of the Liberal Party.

  45. Max

    The Problem with Sydney House prices is that their are 4 Billion People to our north and 100s of Millions of Millionaires in greater Asia who would all love to live in Baulkham Hills and use our PR system to facilitate the purchases..

    I cant blame them really I would do the same

  46. egg_

    Hahahahhahaha Six of her stuff left her?

    You know, you really have problems when the leader of the lunatic party has other lunatics leaving in droves because she’s so mentally deranged.

    That’s like being in a mental asylum and the other fruitcakes think you’re a serious loon.

    Can you just imagine what goes on in that garbage can behind the scenes.

    Attila the Hen very displeased in her totalitarian outfit now that the ‘Tories’ are at the helm?
    Looked like Snowcone gave her a dusting up to differentiate Labor from the Greens, post minority Govt too?

  47. egg_

    The Slapper’s book title.

    The Gizzard of Oz?

  48. calli

    Right. So someone tell me what state LIBERAL governments are doing about this.

    Bingo!

    And please, don’t forget that boil on the behind of the bureaucracy (nice alliteration, n’est ce pas?) our esteemed Local Government. The pettiness, the stupidity and the laziness that resides in these nests of turpitude beggars belief.

    And that’s my Charlie Sheen moment for today. 🙂

  49. Daughter of Goldie Hawn, who in typical Hollywood fashion made a bundle portraying airheaded bimbos.

    … meaning she didn’t have to do any acting whatsoever.

  50. Tom

    Attila the Hen

    You’re not just a pretty face, googie boy.

  51. Driftforge

    Sydney home buyers are feeling the brunt of the tax burden, paying an estimated 44% or $268,000 of the purchase price in taxes, followed by Melbourne buyers (38%, $184,000) and Brisbane (36%, $191,000) buyers.

    All that because of an insufficient, ineffective, rigged land tax system.

  52. The Problem with Sydney House prices is that their are 4 Billion People to our north and 100s of Millions of Millionaires in greater Asia who would all love to live in Baulkham Hills and use our PR system to facilitate the purchases..
    I cant blame them really I would do the same

    Except of course you can’t do the same.
    I’m all for super-duper-free-trade, provided it is reciprocal.

    The day I can buy a freehold house in Peking, or the day I can buy a shedload of square miles of Indonesian or Chinese farming land, then on that day I’m more than happy for us to allow reciprocating purchases.

    Until that moment I’ll be channelling my inner Bob Katter.

  53. twostix

    The UTS entry put three stereotypes up on a stage and recited lines taken from blog comments of the ‘f off, were full’ variety.

    They must have just been to a CFMEU white power protest.

  54. .

    The day I can buy a freehold house in Peking, or the day I can buy a shedload of square miles of Indonesian or Chinese farming land, then on that day I’m more than happy for us to allow reciprocating purchases.

    You would be no better off because of that. 90% of the benfits from free trade are internal and dynamic.

    See reports by the Centre for International Economics for more. They are good.

    Do you really want an automotive industry like America’s for pride’s sake?

  55. Do you really want an automotive industry like America’s for pride’s sake?

    Which American auto industry do you mean?
    Detriot crap (which lasts warranty + one day) or,
    Southern states Japanese cars (where the wheel nuts are actually tightened before sale, & stuff like that)

  56. .

    Surely the fact that the CFMEU are using bikies as debt collectors is proof that we ought to have a royal commission?

  57. Max

    I agree with you Steve at the Pub – great blog by the way

  58. Popular Front

    They must have just been to a CFMEU white power protest

    BLF banners? Weren’t those thugs de-registered?

  59. nic

    I feel compelled to write this as a young Australian who is both saddened and terrified by what is unfolding in the housing market in Sydney.

    Whilst blaming mum and dad, fails to mention they were paying double digit interest but soldiered on.

  60. C.L.

    Except of course you can’t do the same.
    I’m all for super-duper-free-trade, provided it is reciprocal.

    The day I can buy a freehold house in Peking, or the day I can buy a shedload of square miles of Indonesian or Chinese farming land, then on that day I’m more than happy for us to allow reciprocating purchases.

    Until that moment I’ll be channelling my inner Bob Katter.

    I agree.

    One-way ‘free trade’ is bullshit.

    It’s just soft-cockery from self-loathing whites.

  61. .

    Which American auto industry do you mean?
    Detriot crap (which lasts warranty + one day) or,
    Southern states Japanese cars (where the wheel nuts are actually tightened before sale, & stuff like that)

    The south are less unuionised and get little assistance. Refusing to cut tariffs or assistance here because of Detroit is a bad idea.

  62. Thanks Max, perhaps I’ll update soon, I’ve a feeling the “blogger’s block” that has afflicted me these past several weeks, is about to end.

  63. boy on a bike

    Abbott currently doing a press conference in front of a solid wall of Oxy Action laundry powder.

    They’ll need more than that to clean up the mess Labor left behind.

  64. Gab

    Abbott doing presser – quick get Candy.

  65. .

    One-way ‘free trade’ is bullshit.

    It’s just soft-cockery from self-loathing whites.

    So if Australia dropped our tariffs to zero tomorrow and industry productivity rose, we began to export more (most of our trade and direct investment is to 1st world nations if you exclude China) and consumer prices were lower here, then we’d be “self loathing white soft cocks”?

    No. We’d be better off. The fact that most of the gains of trade liberalisation are internal means that unilateral free trade is the best option. You can’t make anyone free trade. Why can’t you convince people with success instead of never ending horse trading?

  66. Tracey

    I finally got around to watching the 2-episode series about Sir Frank Packer and a young Rupert Murdoch last night. Can’t remember the line verbatim, but in one scene the actor playing Sir Frank comments about the ABC being ‘bloody commies’. This was in the 60s or 70s. Talk about prescient.

  67. twostix

    And please, don’t forget that boil on the behind of the bureaucracy (nice alliteration, n’est ce pas?) our esteemed Local Government. The pettiness, the stupidity and the laziness that resides in these nests of turpitude beggars belief.

    What you need is a good old fashioned corrupt council staffed by remnants of the white shoe brigade (or your states equivalent). Out here they abuse their council positions to enrich their sand mining operation and property developements but if you turn up wanting to build a treehouse on your property to live in, hey, who are they to judge?

    I’ve lived in a lot of places and this council with its seems to be the only one I’ve seen that’s fairly immune to green left madness, which is a sad state of affairs.

  68. egg_

    The ad competiton was turned over to students from UTS and RMIT, and they were given the brief to produce an ad to convince illegal immigrants to stop coming.

    Caught that, and Adam Hills can be a tad ultra-leftoid at times, too; could be partly because they’re captive of Aunty, too, but if a little less partisan would help their act IMHO, we don’t need political vehicles in the Yartz, thanks very much.

  69. C.L.

    Dot, apparently the buyer of the Fairfax mansion at Point Piper (six blocks) will be a Chinaman.

    Good luck buying the equivalent in China.

    As I said, this isn’t ‘free trade.’ It’s just being softcocks.

  70. Gab

    Tracey, was it online that you were able to see the Packer story? If so, do you have a link please?

  71. brc

    Why have the unions adopted the eureka stockade flag? That is a symbol of rejecting oppressive government regulations and taxes, not of creating more. Th unions are about creating regulations and using state power to enrich themselves.

    It’s like Obama supporters waving confederate flags or something.

  72. Max

    Steve at the Pub

    I stand corrected.

    there are 4 million, millionaires in Asia (I stand corrected) (check out the babe in the link also)

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/asia-gains-more-millionaires-but-not-as-many-as-north-america-1.1867749

    There are approx 150,000 – 250,000 Australian dwellings on sale at any give time.

    http://blog.rpdata.com/2011/08/how-many-homes-are-available-for-sale-around-australia/

    or approx 20 asian millionaires for every house on sale in Australia.

    We must change this or we are fgucked

  73. calli

    BLF banners? Weren’t those thugs de-registered?

    Deregistered in mid 80’s I think. Norm Gallagher was charged with corruption and from memory spent some time in the go slow.

    They used to have demarcation disputes with the Building Workers Union and unlawfully enter sites and do damage to work built by rival unions. My darling father frog marched some of them off his site once for trying to extort money and membership from some young apprentices.

    My one and only experience of these mongrels was being screamed at by their leader through a loud hailer not six inches from my nose. I was 19 at the time. Gee they were heroes, those guys.

  74. egg_

    So Shortun now wants quotas for LGBTIO & dwarfs?
    Could face some opposition if the Dwarf Throwing Party at get a ticket at the Senate?

  75. Toiling Mass

    50 Shades of Red?

    She Shtups to Conquer?

  76. Armadillo

    Useless impositions re rain water tanks

    How times change? Not that many years ago a mate was building a house and the local council refused him permission for a water tank on the basis that they are a breeding ground for mosquitos (if the cover is not properly secured). He couldn’t believe it. The laws were changed by a subsequent council (with some common sense). Sounds like it has now gone to the other extreme. So much for choice.

  77. Max

    Please note – I’m not racist just sheer numbers (I love Asian hotties)

  78. .

    Dot, apparently the buyer of the Fairfax mansion at Point Piper (six blocks) will be a Chinaman.

    Good luck buying the equivalent in China.

    As I said, this isn’t ‘free trade.’ It’s just being softcocks.

    You are just engaging in dadaism now C.L.

  79. .

    or approx 20 asian millionaires for every house on sale in Australia.

    We must change this or we are fgucked

    Why on earth would a millionaire want to live in most Australian homes?

  80. C.L.

    You’re being a doctrinaire denialist, Dot.

    There is no ‘free trade.’

    When it exists, I’ll support it 100 percent.

  81. brc

    C.L.
    #1014473, posted on September 26, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Dot, apparently the buyer of the Fairfax mansion at Point Piper (six blocks) will be a Chinaman.

    Good luck buying the equivalent in China.

    As I said, this isn’t ‘free trade.’ It’s just being softcocks.

    Good on him, and I hope he uses his new house to escape his oppressive home regime. We should be glad when people want to invest big money in Australia, it’s not like there isn’t a lot of competition for investment. Lets hope he stays and opens a factory.

    The problem with property prices is restricted supply and excessive taxes, not rich chinamen. We went through this with the Japanese in the 80s. Some of them over spent, lost their shirt and we are left with the overcapitalised properties at knock down prices.

  82. calli

    So much for choice.

    You simply can’t get out of putting in some sort of water storage. I was worried about the mozzie breeding issue, plus the fact that to have above ground tanks means that the downpipes are permanently charged (and look pig ugly). So I’ve decided to use an ‘Aquacomb’ system that takes the place of some of the waffle pod system in the slab.

    All so that one can use rainwater to flush the loo. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

  83. Tracey

    Gab, it was on one of the free to air stations over a couple of Sunday nights. I’m drawing a blank on which station, sorry, and I’ve already deleted it. Might be worth checking each network’s digital stations as they often run repeats.

  84. Max

    You are just engaging in dadaism now C.L.

    Dot

    See my post above — At any given time There are roughly 15 – 25 Asian Millionaires for every house on sale in Australia.

  85. brc

    I’ve lived in a lot of places and this council with its seems to be the only one I’ve seen that’s fairly immune to green left madness, which is a sad state of affairs.

    Pics or it didn’t happen. I am not convinced there is a single local authority in Australia not captured by the idiot green left. White shoe brigade? Pfffft. Try finding a councillor that actually wears shoes these days.

  86. Gab

    Thanks, Tracey. You’re a gem.

  87. Max

    Why on earth would a millionaire want to live in most Australian homes?

    Because a large number of them would have the living memory of the cultural revolution burned into their souls.

    Like I said – I would do the same – but for Australia the sheer numbers could be a tragedy – – our children wont be able to form families (you are already seeing this in Sydney)

  88. C.L.

    The problem with property prices is restricted supply and excessive taxes, not rich chinamen.

    I didn’t say anything about rich Chinamen and property prices.

    I pointed out that Chinamen can buy anything they like here but we can’t there.

    This isn’t free trade.

    It’s just being weak.

  89. .

    C.L. #1014486, posted on September 26, 2013 at 11:48 am
    You’re being a doctrinaire denialist, Dot.

    There is no ‘free trade.’

    When it exists, I’ll support it 100 percent.

    Free trade exists between us and NZ.

    Pipe down and start waving the flag.

    See my post above — At any given time There are roughly 15 – 25 Asian Millionaires for every house on sale in Australia.

    …and thus far one high profile one bought a high profile home. Have you seen the shitty workmanship on most Australian homes? Why would a foreign bilionare touch them with a barge pole?

  90. twostix

    Whilst blaming mum and dad, fails to mention they were paying double digit interest but soldiered on.

    Our young leftist friend won’t like to confront the other major reality: With nearly all women working most couples and families have double the buying power of cool young single hipster males in the property market.

  91. C.L.

    Free trade exists between us and NZ.

    LOL.

  92. .

    Because a large number of them would have the living memory of the cultural revolution burned into their souls.

    So we’ve got to support the the cultural revolution?

    C.L. you are playing the word definition hijacking game. Unilateral trade is free trade. Bilateral free trade is not the “one true free trade”.

  93. Popular Front

    She Shtups to Conquer?

    LOL Toiling Mass. I wonder how many other cats will ‘get it’?

  94. brc

    You simply can’t get out of putting in some sort of water storage. I was worried about the mozzie breeding issue, plus the fact that to have above ground tanks means that the downpipes are permanently charged (and look pig ugly). So I’ve decided to use an ‘Aquacomb’ system that takes the place of some of the waffle pod system in the slab.

    All so that one can use rainwater to flush the loo. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Allot the rainwater tanks in brisbane were removed to combat dengue fever (and because the governemnet doesn’t like competition)

    Fast forward 30 years and Rudd convinced Goss to can the planned Wolfdene dam and sell off the land. Fast forward another 10 years and Bettie is paying people to reinstall tanks because water supplies are running low. Wivenhoe was opened in the mid 1970s and predicted to satisfy Brisbane water need until the mid 2000s. It ceases to satisfy the needs at precisely that time.

    In the ensuing panic, not only are millions spent on Subsidising tanks, but they also built a recycling plant that was never switched on, a water pipeline that goes nowhere, a desalination plant that has never been used and confiscated the water assets of surrounding local councils who had done forward planning, set up a couple of corporate structures to ‘retail’ the water at 5 times the old cost to ratepayers and still did not build any freaking new dams. Oh, and they left behind 80 billion or so in debt And flooded an entire city because they were too scared about letting any of that water down the river until it was too late.

    Heckuva job from the labor party there.

    I just can’t wait until a dengue fever outbreak when we will no out have a water tank ‘buy back’. Then the circle will be complete.

  95. Combine Dave

    Good on him, and I hope he uses his new house to escape his oppressive home regime. We should be glad when people want to invest big money in Australia, it’s not like there isn’t a lot of competition for investment. Lets hope he stays and opens a factory

    Quite so. Fortunately a lot of them do, and quite a few more of them bring their kids across also.

    Who then go on to assist in populating our large, yet sparsely inhabited nation.

    Win-Win.

  96. calli

    Hmm…sounds a bit Yiddish to me Pop. Now let me guess…

  97. areff

    As opposed to Fatty O’Barrel, who stoops to concur

  98. What makes all doctrines plain and clear?
    About two hundred pounds a year.
    And that which was prov’d true before
    Prove false again? Two hundred more.
    (Samuel Butler,
    Hudibras III, Canto I, 1277 ff.)

    In 1680 died this day
    the poet who had quite a way
    with satire—brutal, sharp and terse—
    in “hudibrastic”, witty verse.
    Tetrameters in Hudibras
    oft set a victim on his ass,
    and many poets afterwards
    thought hudibrastics quite the goods.

    When civil dudgeon first grew high,
    And men fell out they knew not why;
    When hard words, jealousies, and fears,
    Set folks together by the ears,
    And made them fight, like mad or drunk,
    For Dame Religion, as for punk;
    Whose honesty they all durst swear for,
    Though not a man of them knew wherefore:
    When Gospel-Trumpeter, surrounded
    With long-ear’d rout, to battle sounded,
    And pulpit, drum ecclesiastick,
    Was beat with fist, instead of a stick;
    Then did Sir Knight abandon dwelling,
    And out he rode a colonelling.

    Hudibras I, Canto I, 1 ff.)

  99. egg_

    Abbott doing presser

    How long til we get FOX News Australia – with Bolt, Blair, etc. giving cameos?

  100. Max

    So we’ve got to support the the cultural revolution?

    Dot – just about every Asian country that I can think of from the Philippines to Pakistan has had some form of War, martial law, dictatorship, confiscation or capital restrictions in the last 50 years.

    If I was rich I would also want to get some money out of the country. But the numbers given Australia’s small population and poor housing supply could be devastating.

  101. Popular Front

    Got it in one Calli.

  102. .

    So Max, you are disturbed that:

    1. Eastwood has a high Asian population…who are Australians.
    2. Foreigners are going to fund a life of excess for Australia citizens and lose a motza on uneconomic investment.

  103. egg_

    How long til we get FOX News Australia – with Bolt, Blair, etc. giving cameos?

    And Hendo’s Media Watchdog?

  104. Rococo Liberal

    As for entry level at $1mill, that’s just tosh, unless he’s wanting to move into Bellevue Hill.

    We’re not having scum like that in Bellevue Hill.

  105. .

    If I was rich I would also want to get some money out of the country. But the numbers given Australia’s small population and poor housing supply could be devastating.

    Housing supply IS already devestated. Forget migrants.

    Should we reduce our current population or change the impediments to construction?

  106. Combine Dave

    Our young leftist friend won’t like to confront the other major reality: With nearly all women working most couples and families have double the buying power of cool young single hipster males in the property market.

    Back when I was house shopping (and back even earlier when I was apartment/unit shopping) almost 100% of my fellow house shoppers were male-female partners with kids (basically families of varying descriptions).

    And yes… one or two of those were (much maligned today in this thread) Korean and Chinese families (disgorged from their traditional Toyota Camrys replete with mama and papa in tow).

  107. Combine Dave

    Should we reduce our current population or change the impediments to construction?

    Aren’t a lot of new developments (ie; increases in our existing housing supply) being funded by either recent immigrants or through FDI?

  108. brc

    Like I said – I would do the same – but for Australia the sheer numbers could be a tragedy – – our children wont be able to form families (you are already seeing this in Sydney)

    So Sydney is an overpriced, crime ridden toilet? Leave Sydney and raise a family in one of the myriads of charming, low crime, affordable (kind of) other areas of Australia.

  109. .

    WE MUST LIVE IN SYDNEY!!!

    God no. Besides the Northern Beaches, the CBD and Harbour, I despise it.

  110. brc

    And yes… one or two of those were (much maligned today in this thread) Korean and Chinese families (disgorged from their traditional Toyota Camrys replete with mama and papa in tow).

    Not maligned by me. Chinatowns should be everywhere in this wide brown land. A culture that is big on family values, discipline and are usually arch capitalists make fr excellent communities. We should have a positive outreach program and convince young entrepreneurs from the ultimate arch-capitalist Chinatown, Hong Kong. Western liberal values and Chinese work ethic do some amazing things.

  111. Combine Dave

    I pointed out that Chinamen can buy anything they like here but we can’t there.

    Technically even rich “Chinamen” can’t buy what they like in China, property is only ever temporarily “owned” before it reverts back to the state.

    Hence why rich “Chinamen” invest so heavily in property outside China.

    Because a large number of them would have the living memory of the cultural revolution burned into their souls.

    Well that is the case if you disregard all the O/S Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Indon, Malaysia etc.. who don’t give a flying fk about the cultural revolution or communism.
    ~ Not to mention most PRC Chinese I met (aside from card carrying party members) also don’t.

  112. Rabz

    God no. Besides the Northern Beaches, the CBD and Harbour, I despise it.

    I can’t believe those morons paid $2.385 million for a three bedroom dump in Epping. Thank goodness I kept my place in Sydney, even though I’ll never willingly live there again.

  113. .

    I would think a Scottish-Chinese-German-Jewish heritage would endear you to libertarians!

  114. C.L.

    Abridged Dot: let’s sign over Australia to the Chinese Communist Party.

    Don’t be weak, FELLA.

  115. twostix

    Like I said – I would do the same – but for Australia the sheer numbers could be a tragedy – – our children wont be able to form families (you are already seeing this in Sydney)

    We could if O’Farrell would stop being such a wanker and would repeal 14 years of green left anti-housing development regulation.

    I theorise that no party wants to open up property development because any major reduction in housing prices will see them annihilated at the polls. It’s a perverse situation driven by the “property investement” madness of a decade ago where you now have all these hundreds of thousands of people, mostly baby boomers holding housing stock for their retirement that they bought at the height of the market and now are threatening governments that they’d better not do anything that hurts the value of their investment or else. In fact I think it’s a major factor in the restricted land supply and mass immigration. Who wants to be the PM or Premier that presides over a real estate bubble bursting? Rudd certainly didn’t which is why conveniently after he was warned of impending doom for the property market in 2009 he opened up the residential real estate investment laws. I’m quite sure it wasn’t his love of Free Markets working on his mind that made him do that.

    I’ve witnessed this in action personally with a child pitted against their parent, the child arguing for land reform and cheaper housing so they can buy a house and the parent with a worried look arguing against it: “but what about our investment property, what about our retirement!”.

  116. Token

    No. We’d be better off. The fact that most of the gains of trade liberalisation are internal means that unilateral free trade is the best option. You can’t make anyone free trade.

    Sigh, this discussion again. It is so hard to prove as the facts are counter intuitive until you burrow into a pair of businesses and see how much better run trading in a free trade market makes an operation. I know of many businesses I’ve worked with thatsurvived the GFC in Aus due to the nimbleness of their management.

    A good part of the boom since the 1980s is the improvement of internal workings of our organisations. Let our competitors keep their trade walls, it is like the ALP quota system, it allows incompetent managers to hide their inefficiencies and means when a crash happens, the organisations are much less likely to survive.

  117. .

    let’s sign over Australia to the Chinese Communist Party.

    You are paranoid C.L.

    The country is safe now Fitzgibbon is no longer Minister for Defgence.

  118. How many times are the media going to mischaracterise the coalition’s policy as simply “tow back the boats” while studiously ignoring all the other parts? It’s still happening every day.

  119. .

    specfically, safe from the Chi-Coms

  120. Token

    If I was rich I would also want to get some money out of the country. But the numbers given Australia’s small population and poor housing supply could be devastating.

    So it is a bad thing they move their scarce capital from their country to our country which people here can use to leverage to use in financing?

    The people who are bought out have cash to spend and invest. They get paid a higher amount than they would if only locals could buy, so they actually have more to invest.

    Many self managed super funds were topped up with the cash of those overseas investers.

  121. Token

    Abridged Dot: let’s sign over Australia to the Chinese Communist Party.

    State based agencies purchasing assets should be viewed in a different light to private investors. A lot of the sturm and drang seems to ignore the critical difference.

  122. … mostly baby boomers holding housing stock for their retirement that they bought at the height of the market …

    Er, no. Most boomers bought their housing quite a while back and aren’t threatening anybody. This boomer-bashing should stop.

  123. egg_

    The Gruen Transfer Credits responsible for the asylum seekers political vehicle:

    Senior Producer
    JON CASIMIR
    Producer
    POLLY CONNOLLY

    Dunno how much input ole Green-Left panellist Todd Sampson (‘CEO of Leo Burnett, Sydney, Todd is the co-creator of the Earth Hour initiative.’) has over the program.

  124. Token

    How many times are the media going to mischaracterise the coalition’s policy as simply “tow back the boats” while studiously ignoring all the other parts? It’s still happening every day.

    Are you assuming that the Liars Party Stenographers have the comprehension skills to understand a complex policy?

    These are people trained to understand they can get away with being slack by writing crap to trigger emotions and to ignore logic.

    It is a good part of the reason why the Liars Party and Gruen-reichers are so inept and mismanage themselves quickly out of government.

  125. Max

    Well that is the case if you disregard all the O/S Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Indon, Malaysia etc.. who don’t give a flying fk about the cultural revolution or communism.

    Everyone of those countries mentioned has had some form of international capital restriction in the last 50 – 60 years.

  126. Token

    …the parent with a worried look arguing against it: “but what about our investment property, what about our retirement!”.

    Changing the tax laws so earning income is not so severely punished also assist in alleviating this issue.

    All rational people understand that to focus an investment on income streams means higher tax over the life of an investment than if the growth is from capital gains.

    Of course the leftards will not allow this and play the politics of envy & the tax on new houses will not be reduced – thus the issue is moot.

  127. JC

    I theorise that no party wants to open up property development because any major reduction in housing prices will see them annihilated at the polls.

    I’m not entirely sure prices would drop across the board. For instance I couldn’t give a shit if land was free in the outta burbs. I wouldn’t move there.

    Remember, it’s not really a real estate market as such, it’s a market for real estate.

    I reckon across the board drops are caused by inappropriate monetary policy.

  128. Token

    Everyone of those countries mentioned has had some form of international capital restriction in the last 50 – 60 years.

    Which is why they believe the sovereign risk of holding the assets in their country is higher than holding it in Australia. The result is Australia has a higher level of capital to use for finance than one would expect from our population as a result of the people in such places hiding their savings here.

  129. twostix

    Er, no. Most boomers bought their housing quite a while back and aren’t threatening anybody. This boomer-bashing should stop.

    Yes, about ten years ago. Like I said.
    And I’m sure you’ll be happy to see the government take action to reduce the price of houses by 40%? Back to same price vs wage difference that they were when you bought your first house?

    Sure you won’t have something to say about that.

  130. Helen

    areff
    #1014518, posted on September 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    As opposed to Fatty O’Barrel, who stoops to concur

    Butbutbutt Fatty does want to build his highway through the transient bats, and he has asked Tony to help (take the blame for) him. Green tape and all.

  131. Max

    Which is why they believe the sovereign risk of holding the assets in their country is higher than holding it in Australia.

    Agreed

    … a higher level of capital to use for finance than one would expect from our population….

    Correct! Capital flows and credit growth (via securitisation i.e. borrowing money abroad to buy houses that are already here) is exactly why our income to house price ratio is 7 times – the highest in the world.

  132. Token

    JC, have you heard much about crowd sourcing finance in your travels?

    I saw a presentation earlier in the week from an ex-banker who noted the crowd sourcing options are likely to change the way financing operates in the next 10-20 years in a similar way that e-commerce has changed distribution & retail.

    At the moment it appears to be in its early stages, like e-commerce circa late-90s, but as we’ve seen with e-commerce in the last 15 years it slowly, incrementally changes the way business works.

  133. brc

    So it is a bad thing they move their scarce capital from their country to our country which people here can use to leverage to use in financing?

    The people who are bought out have cash to spend and invest. They get paid a higher amount than they would if only locals could buy, so they actually have more to invest.

    Many self managed super funds were topped up with the cash of those overseas investers.

    Stop using logic. They are coming for our houses! We will all be sleeping under a bridge!

    The first Asian millionaire who offers to overpay for my house will have a signed contract in their hand faster than they can work out what happened. I will put the money to more productive use. I’ll even offer to rent it back from them at the market rate, upon which time they will realize they has bought an absolute dog of an investment with yield so poor it would make an inflationary central banker blush with embarrassment.

  134. Greg Sheridan:

    The government’s disposition to oppose the UN’s traditional Israel-bashing is causing some angst in the bureaucracy, specifically in parts of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. When Howard and Downer decided to change to a more explicit position in 2003, they caused similar angst. Downer was rung 10 minutes before a vote, with the relevant ambassador pleading for permission to vote with the consensus. Downer insisted the government’s policy be followed.

    Similarly, in the early days, Downer would receive submissions from DFAT with three boxes: approve, not approve, discuss. A couple of times he circled “discuss” so he could explain to his bureaucrats why he was rejecting their advice. Departmental advice amounted to arguing that such an Australian vote would get some of the Arabs off side. Downer’s response was that it didn’t help the Arabs to encourage them in bad policy. The question was whether the resolution was right or wrong in principle. Mostly he just circled “not approve”. DFAT got the idea.

    Double standard watch: we were supposed to lead on climate change, but follow on bad ME policy?

  135. Driftforge

    Correct! Capital flows and credit growth (via securitisation i.e. borrowing money abroad to buy houses that are already here) is exactly why our income to house price ratio is 7 times – the highest in the world.

    If I read that right, there is a possibility that as the base rate drops, the AUD will drop, causing those capital flows will reverse, leading to an increase in the cost of capital, leading to a drop in house pricing — the opposite of what one would normally expect.

  136. So a sixty-something year old boomer bought a house just ten years ago and is now the cause of all the trouble?
    Give me a break.

  137. Popular Front

    we were supposed to lead on climate change

    The Left will continue to whine and lie about climate change as they continue to fail to understand that the audience has evaluated the so-called ‘evidence’, has found it dodgy at best and have now tuned out the narrative.

  138. brc

    Correct! Capital flows and credit growth (via securitisation i.e. borrowing money abroad to buy houses that are already here) is exactly why our income to house price ratio is 7 times – the highest in the world.

    No, it is land supply and regulations that cause supply restrictions. If there were no supply restrictions, all that finance would build new, cheaper, better houses in new areas. Instead, it buys smaller properties which are worse value than existing properties, because you have to buy older stock to get the room.

    The same flood of cheap(er) money went into American properties. Yet the markets responded in different ways. Some boomed and busted, others rose moderately. Talking about finance does not tell the whole picture. Taxes and regulations on supply have a specific part in the story.

  139. JC

    Sounds interesting, token. I’m not sure it can go far though because there is economies of scale in risk assessment, collection and shit like that.

    Possibly replace some of the players in the shadow lending market.

  140. will

    Dot – just about every Asian country that I can think of from the Philippines to Pakistan has had some form of War, martial law, dictatorship, confiscation or capital restrictions in the last 50 years.

    Everyone of those countries mentioned has had some form of international capital restriction in the last 50 – 60 years.

    which is why these countries are so poor. Would you like Australia to be the same? Australia’s high standard of living is due to the fact that throughout much of our economic history we welcome overseas investment. If a brown person offers me double the price for my house, I will gladly accept it and build a new one, and be better off.

  141. Cold-Hands

    She Shtups to Conquer

    That’s why she’s tired…

  142. JC

    How much Iraq the Fairfax house going for?

  143. Max

    No, it is land supply and regulations that cause supply restrictions.

    I also agree that this is a big factor.

  144. egg_

    we were supposed to lead on climate change

    Re the LNP’s dismantling of a lot of the CAGW bureaucracy, various Canberra Dept’s were paring back the CAGW empire, even under Gillard, and it was probably just another facade to shore up the Green-Left vote.

  145. JC

    WTF? How does autocorrect come up with Iraq…

    How much is the Fairfax house going for?

  146. Combine Dave

    For our glorious futures, comrades…

    Madam Mao is a good alternate name for TLS

    Mao’s Last Typist?

  147. Combine Dave

    Newman government slashes green tape

    The Newman Government has announced two significant initiatives to reduce green tape and put money back into the pockets of thousands of Queensland small businesses.

    http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2013/2/28/newman-government-slashes-green-tape

    Thankfully Newman is not an O’Barrel style of “conservative”. I pray that Abbott will follow his wise example.

  148. will

    I hate to tell Shorten, but nothing turns fossil fuels into co2 faster than a rocket.

    You’re either for co2 abatement, or you’re against it. Make up your mind.

    electricity was supposed to come from windmills and sunshine, don’t you know

  149. egg_

    Tom
    #1014449, posted on September 26, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Thanks, Tom.
    Luv your verk too.

  150. incoherent rambler

    Title for JGs book, one of her own “sayings” :

    An inedible mark in history

  151. will

    WTF? How does autocorrect come up with Iraq…

    How much is the Fairfax house going for?

    $100 million

    google is your friend

  152. egg_

    nothing turns fossil fuels into co2 faster than a rocket.

    And hydrazine is very nasty stuff, just ask the residents around Baikonur.

  153. Popular Front

    An inedible mark in history

    How about an indelible skidmark in history?

  154. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Bolt once again distinguishes himself from the stenographers pack by being indistinguishable from the worst of the mongrels:

    “But I wonder whether the new persona Abbott is growing into – purposeful, methodical, even grim”

    Even grim? How so? Because Bolt just dreamed it up on the spot while he was creating a column. When has Tony Abbott ever displayed “grim” as a dominant trait?

    Of course he is “growing into – purposeful, methodical”, and never was those things ever before, oh no.

    Even the bravest warrior journalist of them all is struggling to fill his allotted space and he’ll start a bear run on Abbott666 if he has to, to fix that.

    “So this may be a sign of trouble:

    Tony Abbott’s press office has moved to crack down on media appearances by his frontbench, issuing an edict that all media requests for interviews be approved by the Prime Minister’s staff…


    Of course, early discipline is essential, as is coordination of messages. But I’d suggest Abbott be careful that he preside over a Renaissance, not a counter-Reformation.”

    Another intellectual and moral hypocrite starts howling, longing for a sighting to slake his thirst for an Abbott666 to bag.

  155. Combine Dave

    How many times are the media going to mischaracterise the coalition’s policy as simply “tow back the boats” while studiously ignoring all the other parts? It’s still happening every day.

    Probably sometime during the next 6 months, right up until the boats stop coming, when the ABC (and all right minded people) will conclude that it was one of the coalitions other policies that ended the people smuggling trade but not “towing back the boats”.

    Correction: Credit will be given to the Indonesian Government for ending the people smuggling trade.

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The RMIT entry tried to put some humor into it by suggesting the place was full of spiders, snakes and sharks so better if you stay away.

    The UTS entry put three stereotypes up on a stage and recited lines taken from blog comments of the ‘f off, were full’ variety.

    The panel near unamaoulsy gave it to the sneering one

    I thought it quite wrong that students were directed to respond to such an unlikely and unappealing brief, screaming of political correctness.

    In the event, the RMIT team tried to defuse it with humour, and all power to them. Their production values were good too, as was their idea, given the nature of the task. It struck me that, from her general clothing and manner, their representative did not seem to be the type who would enjoy slagging off at her fellow countrymen and that she probably represented the feelings of her team as well. Their ad reflected this.

    In contrast, the UTS student had her explanation of strategy clipped, as it was obviously too long and rambling, perhaps reflecting also that student’s very unbusiness-like personal presentation – a reflection of her team here too? The UTS ad had poor production values; but it was very ‘right on’ in political correctness and in hatred of everyday Australians, ending in a cynical (although clever enough) comment that Australia was better seen from a distance.

    This show provides an excellent opportunity to showcase Australian advertising talent in universities. They should do more of it, but lay off the heavy-handed political intrusions and let the students have fun with more light-hearted matters.

  157. egg_

    Of course he is “growing into – purposeful, methodical”, and never was those things ever before, oh no.

    Those who can do and those who can’t teach write about it?
    (A bit like NPD’s like KRudd are said to ‘never do anything creative’ in their own right, simply prey on others).

  158. Token

    I’m not sure it can go far though because there is economies of scale in risk assessment, collection and shit like that.

    That infrastructure takes years to build and often sees many people get burned along the way. That’s why I compare to e-commerce as many billions got burned before people actually understood how it would create wealth.

    The music and film industries in the US seem to be using it to finance projects (which I understand have a high risk/return).

  159. C.L.

    Stop using logic. They are coming for our houses! We will all be sleeping under a bridge!

    The only person linking Asian investors with property prices and land availability seems to be you, brc.

    The first Asian millionaire who offers to overpay for my house will have a signed contract in their hand faster than they can work out what happened. I will put the money to more productive use.

    Like buying Chinese consumer products?

    State based agencies purchasing assets should be viewed in a different light to private investors. A lot of the sturm and drang seems to ignore the critical difference.

    Well, that’s just it, you see. Effectively, there is no difference.

  160. mct

    How much Iraq the Fairfax house going for?

    JC, I took that to be a witty comment, not a typo. I feel a bit let down, somehow.

    Boomers bought their family houses before or during the Recession We Had To Have. Anything bought in the last 10 years is either an investment property or a downsize.

  161. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 1:17 pm:

    “Those who can do and those who can’t teach write about it?
    (A bit like NPD’s like KRudd are said to ‘never do anything creative’ in their own right, simply prey on others).”

    That crossed my mind as I wrote Egg. The other indicator that they are getting desperate, and indifferent to veracity of content, is when the journalist’s show or column focuses most on what other journalists are saying.

  162. boy on a bike

    Teen does something stupid.

    Immediate calls for inanimate object to be banned

    I don’t know who is stupider – the teen or those calling for bans.

  163. Token

    Seeing we are noting how expensive real estate is in Aus:

    6 Castles That Cost Less Than An Apartment In NYC

  164. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From brc at 12:14 pm:

    “Not maligned by me. Chinatowns should be everywhere in this wide brown land. A culture that is big on family values, discipline and are usually arch capitalists make fr excellent communities. We should have a positive outreach program and convince young entrepreneurs from the ultimate arch-capitalist Chinatown, Hong Kong. Western liberal values and Chinese work ethic do some amazing things.”

    You can count me in on that brc. It is as safe and peaceful an environment as one can experience.

  165. C.L.

    A crash that seriously injured a teenage boy in Sydney’s south-west has prompted calls for motorised pushbikes to be banned.

    Pono Aperaham was hit by a van and then reportedly a ute at an intersection in Heckenberg after he snuck out of his grandparent’s house a little after 7pm (AEST) yesterday.

    The 13-year-old was not wearing a helmet and had no lights on the bike.

    He remains in Westmead Hospital’s intensive care unit in a serious condition.

    Among the first to arrive at the spot where the boy was hit was neighbour and family friend Julie.

    “It was quite horrific and not only that, to go see the family and to let them know that the boy had been hit by the car,” she said.

    Ban those bikes. Get rid of them. Get them off the road.”

    Hey, let’s also ban football, water-skiing, rock fishing, bush-walking and balooning.

    This would SAVE LIVES.

  166. egg_

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #1014601, posted on September 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Yeah sometimes I think it’s just a matter of ‘filling column inches’ and getting an ‘angle’.

  167. C.L.

    Abbott chickens out on compulsory student union fees.

  168. Token

    How Obamacare will accelerate the number of single parent families in the US:

    Obamacare’s ‘Cool Calculator,’ Part 2: The ‘Wedding Tax’

    Let’s look at the situation of a 40-year-old couple with two children. The spouses’ annual earnings are $70,000 and $23,000, respectively:

    The couple’s annual unsubsidized premium while married is $11,547 (OFA’s vaunted “tax credits” disappear at $92,401 for married couples with two children). But if they divorce and shack up while giving custody of both children to the lower-earning spouse, their combined annual premiums, at $4,317, will be over $7,200 lower. That’s over $600 a month.

    The numbers are cold, hard and impossible to argue with. It also does not include the other welfare the split family can access.

  169. GRP

    Just heard on ABC radio that the Bega Valley Shire Council passed a motion in favor of gay marriage. We’re very lucky down here. No delays in development applications, local roads all in perfect nick, etc. The simple stuff’s done, so on to the important issues!

  170. twostix

    I’m not entirely sure prices would drop across the board. For instance I couldn’t give a shit if land was free in the outta burbs. I wouldn’t move there.

    Remember, it’s not really a real estate market as such, it’s a market for real estate.

    I’m primarily talking about residential suburban housing which is where the vast majority of first home buyers buy.

    In my mind the equation is simple: Government enforced land rationing and government created high land prices + 300,000 new people a year in the country = crippling housing prices. Either less people, more house building or less regulation of greenfield development has to occur to reduce prices.

    The problem is that any talk about reducing housing prices is going to see the government punished by angry home owners – which is a lot of people. After years of “money” shows and investment magazines people now expect their homes to increase in value every year forever. So the situation slowly gets worse and worse until we end up with a propertied class and a permanent tenant class who due to the cripplingly high price of rent thanks to the housing shortage, cannot possibly hope to pay rent and also save up the deposit for a house as well – this in a country with hundreds of millions of acres of idle land.

  171. Token

    Byron York @ByronYork
    NYT, 6/25/13, on Wendy Davis: ‘The Great Abortion Filibuster.’ NYT, 9/24/13, on Ted Cruz: ‘The Embarrassment of Senator Ted Cruz.’

    Summary:

    Good – Filibuster for the right to kill children

    Embarassment – Filibuster a policy designed to destroy families

  172. Token

    Looks like Trioli’s husband needs to turn the crazy up to 11 to match the US Poli-fact:

    Oh, Lord: Politico Fact-Checks Ted Cruz’s Recitation of “Green Eggs and Ham;” Finds It “Pants on Fire”

    Politico decided to pull a sorta “Fact Check” by contacting a socialist professor who wrote a book about Dr. Seuss and Social Justice and asking him if Dr. Seuss would like Ted Cruz.

    If he were still alive.

    And also as if this is relevant to any point one could imagine.

  173. C.L.

    CDC: hardly anybody is homosexual.

    In the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report released on Friday, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that only about 2 percent of the U.S. population are men who have sex with men.

    The CDC made the assertion in a new report indicating that 80 percent of all new HIV infections in 2010 were of men and that 78 percent of those were among men who have sex with men (MSM).

    “MSM represent approximately 2 percent of the U.S. population,” said the report.

    In stating this, the report cited an analytical report published last year by CDC researchers. That report–”Estimating the Population Size of Men Who Have Sex With Men in the United States to Obtain HIV and Syphilis Rates“–refuted the claim made by 20th-century sex researcher Alfred Kinsey that about 1 out of 10 American males are men who have sex with men.

  174. Andrew

    Abbott chickens out on compulsory student union fees.

    Yep, not good enough. What about students’ cost of living pressures?

  175. Rabz

    hardly anybody is homosexual.

    So why are so many young ‘men’ I have the misfortune of encountering in this society such whiny, effeminate li’l biatches?

    Four f*cking decades of f*cking feminism, that’s why.

    Thanks, you insane, fascist slags.

  176. Max

    So why are so many young ‘men’ I have the misfortune of encountering in this society such whiny, effeminate li’l biatches?

    “Adopt” one and teach him how to box – he will become a man in approx 4 weeks.

    4 weeks of hand to hand combat is all it takes to undo 40 years of feminism.

  177. JC

    In the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

    WTF? There’s such a thing. Hey, there’s a startup for one of the Fairfax schleps when the place goes belly up

    Perhaps Ben Eltham could get the gig as he seems underworked these days. Curly’s posted 21,942 tweets!

  178. Aaron

    Abbott chickens out on compulsory student union fees.

    Hopefully it will be pursued at a later date but there is a heck of a lot of legislation that needs to be repealed already. It’s wise to achieve a few things rather than do a Rudd and fail at everything at once. There are many in the Liberal Party who will continue to push for this so it won’t go away although there are some in the Nats who would oppose scrapping the fee. Whether it could even pass the Senate next year is unlikely, I can’t see them getting the numbers on the cross bench.

  179. But I wonder whether the new persona Abbott is growing into – purposeful, methodical, even grim”

    “Grim”- refers to the commentators – the “cutcutcut” of column inches

  180. JC

    Or how about bald idiot fabulous Phil Coorey writing the Australian weekly morbidity and mortality report.
    I reckon it would kind of suit him.

  181. C.L.

    “But I wonder whether the new persona Abbott is growing into – purposeful, methodical, even grim”

    It never takes Bolt’s journo’s homing beacon to switch back on.

  182. C.L.

    You’re probably right, Aaron.

  183. C.L.

    It never takes LONG FOR Bolt’s journo’s homing beacon to switch back on.

    Grim?

    If I wanted a big smiley face in the chieftain’s chair, I’d vote for Bert Newton.

    Abbott is a man with a job to do.

  184. Rabz

    “But I wonder whether the new persona Abbott is growing into – purposeful, methodical, even grim”

    I wouldn’t expect anyone tasked with the job of undoing the six years of monumental damage inflicted on this country by its worst ever government to be maniacally flailing around like Ren and Stimpy singing the “Happy Happy Joy Joy Song”.

    Grim is good.

    Grim implies purpose and steely resolve.

  185. candy

    Yep, not good enough. What about students’ cost of living pressures?

    Do you think marches and protests were planned by students, Andrew?

  186. pete m

    Bolt has never been good at early comments on a new leader. He thought Rudd had some hope, Gillard seemed tough and decisive (lol), and now Abbott is grim FFS. After about 5,000 comments telling him how to think and 3 months of pondering he’ll be closer to the mark.

  187. boy on a bike

    Regarding Milne and her cast of thousands of personal staff.

    Asked relative how many staff he had when he was a minister 30 odd years ago.

    Answer – 6.

    He was a member of the executive council and ran the largest ministry in the government – and that included running the ACT in the time before self government.

    And he did it with 6 staff.

    The same number that quit on Milne today.

    If you were looking for a daily factoid on the explosive growth in government, there it is.

  188. Abu Chowdah

    I bet they all have their own special milk in the fridge and put hectoring labels like ‘bobs half fat soy milk, don’t use’

    And I just bet there is a cleaning roster next to a pile of hectoring flyers about the latest cause.

    I bet they don’t use deodorant and the office smells of BO and ass.

  189. brc

    So why are so many young ‘men’ I have the misfortune of encountering in this society such whiny, effeminate li’l biatches?

    Another interesting thing on the green transfer last night – one of them tried to classify the guy who is fronting the afl finals ads as a ‘Melbourne latte drinking alpha male’ or something. Don’t kow the guy but he looked very beta to me, right down to the sensitive hair and scraggly beard. You mightn’t like a nrl front rower but you wouldn’t say they were beta boys.

    Is the removal of contact sports at school level that is turning out wussy boys. Go for a trip to the uk and you’ll find a cohort of whiny blokes with slender shoulders who left it to a woman to confront the beheading Islamic nutcase on the street. That is our future right there i’m afraid. Boy need structured competition to get in control of their testosterone and channel it properly. They need proper learning which displays the importance of outcome over just taking part.

  190. Rabz

    Don’t kow the guy but he looked very beta to me, right down to the sensitive hair and scraggly beard.

    That talentless leftist dickhead Dim Rogers, of the woeful You Am I.

    The TV runs the risk of being smashed every time his monstrously stupid, visage curses the screen.

  191. Rabz

    monstrously stupid visage, even.

  192. JC

    Thank god

    A small, prestigious liberal arts school in New York is set to host and fund a workshop on orgasms for undergrads on Monday.

    http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5104

  193. Driftforge

    I would have thought ‘latte drinking alpha male’ an oxymoron.

    Except for the qualifier ‘Melbourne’.

  194. Max

    Don’t kow the guy but he looked very beta to me, right down to the sensitive hair and scraggly beard.

    Frontman of great Australian rock band you-am-i

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykzx7kp8l4g

    but yes Beta

    Is the removal of contact sports at school level that is turning out wussy boys.

    Yes – Watching boys turn into men thru Rugby as opposed to say “soccer” is amazing.

  195. calli

    This home price to income stuff is intriguing. My maths is probably a bit dodgy, but when my husband and I bought our first home, our combined income was 9K and the house (unit) cost 35K. My daughter and son in law have a combined income of 200K and just sold their house for 700K. Admittedly, they have good jobs but also pay a huge tax bill.

    To me, the ratio of income to house price is pretty much the same, and their house was a whole lot more attractive than my unit. Also, we were paying interest rates (over the entire loan period) anywhere between 10-13%. Their interest has been around the 7% mark.

    This is all just anecdotal (sorry if it’s boring) but it makes me wonder if all the ‘unaffordable housing’ blame shifting is just a bit over-egged.

  196. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Grim implies purpose and steely resolve.”

    To Our Andrew with the lovely soft hair, as his fans comment, “grim” is icky. He wants a Prime Minister who moisturises (when he knows what he wants, that is) and he needs to know the name of his pet pussy cat.

    He’s a poonce.

  197. Abu Chowdah

    LOL Toiling Mass. I wonder how many other cats will ‘get it’?

    Only those of us who are pretentiously and ostentatiously well-read.

  198. Rococo Liberal

    Calli

    You are right the issue is that so many young people now have this wish to go straight to the top.

    One young lawyer I know has had 4 jobs over the last 4 years, because each time she has to start at the bottom, and gets pverly stressed by the fact that work she is asked to do isn’t of the very top calibre. She wants to be the boss before she has even sat down. She has made herself sick over it.

    The thing is that she is very bright and does good work. but she just can’t understand that other people are not going to go out of their way to put her in charge and make her life happy.

  199. egg_

    I would have thought ‘latte drinking alpha male’ an oxymoron.

    Except for the qualifier ‘Melbourne’.

    Not a bad (if virtually contact free) sport, but those shorts must keep the LGBTIO brigade happy…

  200. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Abu Chowdah at 2:27 pm:

    ” LOL Toiling Mass. I wonder how many other cats will ‘get it’?

    Only those of us who are pretentiously and ostentatiously well-read.”

    Whereas those of us in the most vulnerable in society cadre, the barely literate, allow Urban Dictionary to be our friend.

    Well done Toiling Mass.

  201. egg_

    Hopefully it will be pursued at a later date but there is a heck of a lot of legislation that needs to be repealed already. It’s wise to achieve a few things rather than do a Rudd and fail at everything at once. There are many in the Liberal Party who will continue to push for this so it won’t go away although there are some in the Nats who would oppose scrapping the fee. Whether it could even pass the Senate next year is unlikely, I can’t see them getting the numbers on the cross bench.

    Let’s hope they have their ABC in their sights as Hockey hinted to Snowcone.
    And yes I’ve noticed Aunty’s ads for her own products mentioning retailers outside of her own shops, so she’s rife for ads (and spending cutbacks) per the SBS model.

  202. brc

    Calli – the income to price ratios should be done on an after tax basis for the income, and a post-tax basis for the house. Only then would the true grim reality come out.

    In Austrlaia you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in moving taxes. It is perverse, and it removes liquidity from the housing market, which can hardly afford it. That is why a lot of what should be market crashes to clearance levels doesn’t happen, and people just grimly hang on and battle through it, compromising all other savings and spending to hang on to the house. It’s a major drag omn the economy both for labour mobility and people being rewarded for staying put because of the penalty on selling up and trading down, which ties up capital unnecessarily.

    Imagine if tenants had to pay stamp duty on the annual value of their leases. There would be rioting in the streets. Yet nary a word passes in the shockingly regressive stamp duties on property sales.

  203. calli

    Thanks brc…I told you my maths was dodgy!

    I had always thought that stamp duty was one of the state imposed taxes that would go on the introduction of the GST, but it seems that the states wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

    I find stamp duty one of the most odious of taxes…having just had to fork over a whopping amount on a land purchase.

  204. You are right the issue is that so many young people now have this wish to go straight to the top.
    One young lawyer I know has had 4 jobs over the last 4 years, because each time she has to start at the bottom, and gets pverly stressed by the fact that work she is asked to do isn’t of the very top calibre. She wants to be the boss before she has even sat down. She has made herself sick over it.
    The thing is that she is very bright and does good work. but she just can’t understand that other people are not going to go out of their way to put her in charge and make her life happy.

    Oh boy can I relate to this, and regularly ! (As can prolly most every employer in this great nation)
    18yo girl, 6 months out of the schoolyard, just ups & quits job as barmaid, stating indignantly: “I’ve been here 6 months already, and you haven’t promoted me to bar manager, I’m leaving!
    Tantrum finished, she stormed off, angry at how I’d “wasted her time” and that she’d “probably have to start again in another job”.

  205. Abu Chowdah

    Mick, it was an excellent pun.

  206. JC

    That is why a lot of what should be market crashes to clearance levels doesn’t happen, and people just grimly hang on and battle through it, compromising all other savings and spending to hang on to the house.

    I don’t this argument. Real estate is at record levels.

  207. Rabz

    brc,

    For all intents and purposes, stamp duty is a capital gains tax on the family home. To add insult to injury, it’s paid up front, rather than at sale time (regardless of whether or not you make a capital gain, as well).

    Remember that the next time you hear some monstrously stupid and ignorant leftist cockhead whining that there’s no capital gains tax on peoples’ homes.

  208. C.L.

    She Shtups to Conquer and Night of The Wronged Wives are going to be hard to beat.

    Any other contenders with a title for Gillard’s upcoming memoir?

  209. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Rococo Liberal at 2:32 pm:

    “Calli

    You are right the issue is that so many young people now have this wish to go straight to the top.

    One young lawyer I know … She wants to be the boss before she has even sat down. She has made herself sick over it.

    … she just can’t understand that other people are not going to go out of their way to put her in charge and make her life happy.”

    I’ve found the civil engineering females to be as entitled a group as one will find – the lawyers always have been (50% of graduates are female and they are both incompetent and tiresome) – but the prissy little girls wearing their designer heavy coats, on the sub tropical Gold Coast!, bearing their latte’s in take away cups stroll through the site knowing not a jot about the works they are witnessing and speaking to not one of those grubby little men who don’t shave each morning. Yick!

    They get to do the stocktake of threatened frangipani trees and paspalum outcrops, watch a footpath pour and deem themselves qualified as senior project manager. You ought to hear the indignation if anyone questions them – Raaaaacist! or somesuch; and they are very good at intimidating their senior managers with tears on demand.

  210. Ellen of Tasmania

    Apologies is this has already been noted, but Tom Woods now has his own radio programme:

    http://www.schiffradio.com/f/Tom-Woods

    If you don’t know Tom, then I think you’re missing out.

  211. calli

    Oh boy can I relate to this, and regularly ! (As can prolly most every employer in this great nation)

    Ahh…apprentices! What a joy to employ. They come to the job fully formed straight from Yr 12 expecting to run the site within the month. They do not want to get their hands dirty, they do not want to run errands, they definitely do not want to take instruction from an old gal (take that, Julia). Just to have them turn up for work or TAFE is counted as a privilege…for the employer.

    The problem is keeping these petals on at school until YR12. They should be released after YR10 and start their apprenticeships then, before the school system finally finishes them off and ruins them for any useful trades employment. From experience, the only other viable age after the magical 16yo is the mature age apprentice who has made all the stuffups in their life and now wants to get down to tin tacks and work.

  212. Max

    For all intents and purposes, stamp duty is a capital gains tax on the family home. To add insult to injury, it’s paid up front, rather than at sale time (regardless of whether or not you make a capital gain, as well).

    Cruelest tax of them all. People buy and sell houses when:

    – They get Divorced
    – One partner dies
    – One partner goes into nursing home
    – They downsize due to poor health
    – They loose their job
    – They get married
    – They have kids

    And F*ing government stands in the middle of that transaction with their hands out for 30 – 50 – 80 grand.

    Truely loathsome

  213. egg_

    I’ve found the civil engineering females…

    Seem to find the privileged little tokens wanting (and getting) the fast track in a lot of once very blokey industries, including mining.

  214. Max

    In every Australian street out of every 100 houses there are probably 5 unliveable, condemned, rat hole houses.

    Without stamp duty young men would move in, fix them up and sell them for profit while improving the quality of housing stock.

    With stamp duty our grandmothers are stuck living in them.

  215. brc

    For all intents and purposes, stamp duty is a capital gains tax on the family home. To add insult to injury, it’s paid up front, rather than at sale time (regardless of whether or not you make a capital gain, as well).

    I can see the logic in that, but not every sale results in a capital gain, but every sale does result in stamp duty except for first home buyers….until they need a bigger house.

    It’s bad enough how much agents charge…technology and competiton will take care of that. But paying stamp duty is just wrong. How many people sit in empty large homes because selling and buying another, smaller home is financially a poor move. Lack of liquidity is always bad for a market, ergo, anything that reduces liquidity should be removed.

    Stamp duties must go, it’s as simple as that. But which state government even suggest it? None,mbecause they have built fat empires around stamp duty income.

  216. I’ve found the civil engineering females to be as entitled a group as one will find – the lawyers always have been (50% of graduates are female and they are both incompetent and tiresome)

    Have to second that.

    There’s nothing funnier than a young petal lawyer gushing to me over coffee about how she’s “making it in the (cough) male world”, all the while I’m thinking what a beta professional lawyering is, and how it has zero impediments to females (unlike say, sheep shearing, fettling, grappling with livestock, concreting, etc)

  217. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 2:58 pm:

    “They do not want to get their hands dirty, they do not want to run errands, they definitely do not want to take instruction from an old gal (take that, Julia). Just to have them turn up for work or TAFE is counted as a privilege …”

    You see some good ones calli, eh?

    Going back in time the apprentices had no idea of the amount of communication between the tech and the employer. I’d arrange for their catch up on lectures missed, which they thought I did not know about, when the most interesting, highest paying away jobs came up.

    For one of our concreting subbies, if they started the day with an impatient “Come on, let’s get started, I want to go home” (meaning “I’ll run the errands and collect the sand”, yes) he would lift his eyes from the painful pre-start documentation and growl at them “You can go now then. Ring me in a couple of days, we may need you towards the end of the week.” That shortened them up.

    The more recent trait I’ve noticed is “I don’t want to listen to anyone else because I want to be decision maker” and chucking a sook if they aren’t so appointed. When it all comes unstuck they have no interest whatever in taking responsibility. That one is a problem for the contractors using body hire blokes.

  218. brc

    Ok we are all in furious agreement what a loathsome tax strap duty is…

    But how can we get rid of it?

    There are liberal governments in many states and a liberal government in Canberra. Now is the time. But how? Does the IPA look at this? Surely someone can develop a model (shudder) that says Johnny on struggle street pays x$ a week more in rent because of stamp duty, and how much over capacity in housing exists because granny won’t sell the 6 bedder down the road from the local school?

    In short, how do we Revoke the social licence for stamp duty

  219. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From brc at 3:21 pm:

    “In short, how do we Revoke the social licence for stamp duty”

    Haw, haw, haw – that’s a start I suppose brc, speaking to them about it in their own dialect!

  220. calli

    You see some good ones calli, eh?

    Some start at 7.00 and nick off at smoko, never to be seen again! It’s an allergic reaction to work, and it seems to be catching.

  221. Mike of Marion

    Oh dear, it looks like the Q&A Fainting Panelist Simon whatshisname from GetUp won’t get into the Senate in the ACT – Oh diddums!!!!!

  222. Driftforge

    Abbott chickens out on compulsory student union fees.

    It’ll be gone by June next year.

  223. Driftforge

    Without stamp duty young men would move in, fix them up and sell them for profit while improving the quality of housing stock.

    Especially if there was a decent land tax to back it up.

  224. Viva

    Desperate for a fresh angle of attack on the new government, ShakeMyHead.com digs up a whiney Gen Y bank clerk:

    Surprise, Surprise. Hecker strikes back in the Sydney Morning Herald of all places.

    Even at today’s prices, a first home is not out of reach if you are prepared to save, work hard and, shock horror, live in the outer suburbs.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/kidult-syndrome-freezing-out-gen-y-20130926-2ug1y.html#ixzz2fyV5JP7M

  225. Rabz

    Ok we are all in furious agreement what a loathsome tax stamp duty is…

    But how can we get rid of it?

    My proposed solution, if posted here, would be promptly removed.

    I’ve gone beyond being rational about stamp duty, as I’m now almost a hundred thousand dollars worse off because of it. The fact that the money thieved is invariably wasted makes me even more livid.

    I’d really love to know what Carr and that equally odious little slimebag turd Egan did with the billions of dollars in stamp duty thieved by the NSW labor government back in the 90s/00s.

    Because, guess what? It all vanished. There is absolutely nothing to show for it, – presumably the cost of the bloody Olympics hoovered it all up and in that case the frigging Liberals are equally to blame.

    State governments waste too much money, by carrying bloated, lard encrusted bureaucracies that do bugger all except give people the shits. Another example – those labor morons in Queensland. That’s the issue, right there.

  226. In short, how do we Revoke the social licence for stamp duty

    Which forum it was on is lost to my memory (perhaps this one, though I doubt it), but some socialist/centralist hot-head was sneering at me that the Qld government gets the bulk of its income from stamp duty on land sales in Brisbane & far south-east, and from GST on economic activity (eg, buying coffee & clothes) in Brisbane & far south-east, and that this was “proof” that the bulk of Queensland’s money was all generated in the south east, and that yokels like me should shut up and enjoy being subsidised by the economic powerhouse of Brisbane.

    I think that sorta translates as: If you stay on the same piece of land, and produce goods for export, you are not a wealth creator but a liability, or handbrake on the economy, or bludger, or something.

    Fuking genius whoever it was.

  227. twostix

    This home price to income stuff is intriguing. My maths is probably a bit dodgy, but when my husband and I bought our first home, our combined income was 9K and the house (unit) cost 35K. My daughter and son in law have a combined income of 200K and just sold their house for 700K. Admittedly, they have good jobs but also pay a huge tax bill.

    To me, the ratio of income to house price is pretty much the same, and their house was a whole lot more attractive than my unit. Also, we were paying interest rates (over the entire loan period) anywhere between 10-13%. Their interest has been around the 7% mark.

    A household making 9k a year in the seventies was barely the national average. Making 200k a year in 2013 is double the national average. You’re not comparing like with like.

  228. calli

    I love the last para, Viva –

    So don’t give up Brett! Baby boomers haven’t cornered the property market at all. They just knew that once they became adults at the age of 21, they had to move out, get off their bottoms, do without luxuries for, oh, a decade or two and build their own future. Why not give it a go instead of whingeing about how unfair life is?

    I moved out (to marry) at the age of 20, had my first mortgage the same year, and have worked hard ever since. Paid off the house by the time I was 30, and could then afford to send my kids to the best schools, as I value good education above all other luxuries.

    I also noted the barb at 30 year old kids still living with Mum and Dad. We had a name for them back in the day, and it wasn’t the cute ‘kidult’.

  229. Bruce

    Check domain.com.au for houses for sale in the areas covered by Hawkesbury, MacArthur/Camden, Liverpool/Fairfield and Western Sydney available for less than $450,000. At present 1248 properties from which to choose.

  230. Armadillo

    The same number that quit on Milne today.

    Briefly saw Tubsy on ABC24 yesterday morning announcing that she had been re-elected as leader and Adam Bandt as deputy. Was there a spill or is it normal practice for the Greens to automatically vacate positions after an election. Might have something to do with all the resignations?

  231. dover_beach

    The Protestant Reformation unleashed a wave of mass murder, theft, dimwitted superstition and Al Qaeda-like bibliolatry (sola scriptura). The Counter-Reformation was a wonderful correction to this wacko extremism.

    CL, I completely agree with what you said earlier about the use of Renaissance, Reformation and Counter-Reformation. Bolt is completely stuck in the 19th C so far as their usage is concerned. From an aesthetic point of view, the Reformation involved the wholesale destruction of religious imagery where bands of Protestants would behead statutes of the Virgin, Christ, the saints, or the destruction of stained glass windows, and so on. Sounds like a true Renaissance, doesn’t it?

    From a theological point of view, I would die in a ditch to have people like Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd – the closest analogues to Aquinas – still writing in the Islamic world. But, no, Al-Ghazali, in the 11th C, turned Islamic philosophy against Plato and Aristotle, and in a decidedly ‘protestant’ direction, four centuries before Luther entered the scene. In other words, we should be eagerly cultivating a Counter-Reformation in Islam given almost a millennium of Reformation tupor .

  232. calli

    A household making 9k a year in the seventies was barely the national average. Making 200k a year in 2013 is double the national average. You’re not comparing like with like

    I warned you about my maths, twostix! 🙂

    All I can add is that we were very young, flat broke and living off the ‘thousand ways with mince’ recipe book for many years. Our first lounge suite was stacked foam mattresses from Clark Rubber. And our miserable little unit was nothing like the lovely house just sold. There are dozens of variables, including the interest rates I mentioned, but I can only go on my own experience.

    I will always defer to those who have far more knowledge of the economics to improve what is, essentially, my own narrow understanding.

  233. I thought Fifty Shades Of Red had merit too.
    How about The Non-renewable Power Of One?

  234. dover_beach

    She Shtups to Conquer and Night of The Wronged Wives are going to be hard to beat.

    Masterful book-titles; I can’t split them.

  235. I thought Fifty Shades Of Red had merit too.
    How about The Non-renewable Power Of One?

    “The Power of the Pork Sword”
    “A comparitive study of married men’s ceilings”
    “It takes a Village full of husbands to Raise me to PM”

  236. JC

    Armadillo

    The human trash meet in secret and we dont know what goes on in the party room. They apply similar rules adopted from the politburo.

    The six people that left her office is a big number. It’s obvious they couldn’t stand working for tubbsie. Funny but those closest to her seem to dislike her as much as we do. Pretty telling.

  237. “The Power and the Pork Sword”
    “How to climb the stairs of success without getting off your back”
    “I had Five Husbands, without Ever being Married”

  238. nic

    Even at today’s prices, a first home is not out of reach if you are prepared to save, work hard and, shock horror, live in the outer suburbs.

    Eek, and live with bogans? ugh

  239. egg_

    “A comparitive study of married men’s glass mirrored ceilings”

    “Shutup!”

    “The Man-China Monologues – KRudd’s part in my downfall.”

    “The Gillrudd Legacy”

  240. “The Secret of my Success, or how to conduct yourself at job interviews to ensure your boss is a Married Man”

  241. twostix

    So a sixty-something year old boomer bought a house just ten years ago and is now the cause of all the trouble?
    Give me a break.

    Now that’s an argument.

    From 1990 to now, climaxing in the mid 00’s, boomers (a quarter of the population) – hoovered up 50% of the housing stock in the nation. Largely as investment properties to be sold near retirement.

    But in your bizarro world a massive reduction in housing stock doesn’t drive prices up *eyeroll*.

    Australia’s baby boomer generation – which comprises roughly one-quarter of the Australian population but owns nearly half of the nation’s housing assets – will gradually become net sellers of Australian housing as they enter retirement, thereby acting to push down home prices in the process.

    The baby boomers were key players in the rapid house price appreciation experienced in Australia in the decade to 2008. As the baby boomers reached peak earnings age in the 1990s, they began buying up investment properties en masse as a way of both minimising their tax (via negative gearing) and ‘saving’ for retirement. They were also likely to have significantly increased demand (and prices) for owner?occupier homes, since many in this demographic would have traded-up to their most expensive (‘peak’) home over this period.

    The baby boomer’s accumulation of Australia’s housing assets is illustrated by the most recent ABS Household Wealth and Wealth Distribution survey, which shows that the baby boomers hold 45% of owner-occupied dwellings and 51% of other dwellings (investment properties and holiday homes). Further, those aged 65+ hold a further 21% of Australia’s housing assets, taking the older cohort’s (those aged over 45) share of Australia’s housing stock to 67% (see below chart).

    So in a nutshell, boomers bought all the cheap housing their children would have bought, rented it back to them at eye watering rates, their children had to get two adults working full time to buy a house and now that they finally have secured one boomers are going to flood the housing market with all the houses they bought crashing the prices of their childrens homes. All the while preaching how good the next generation have it.

    Worst.generation.ever.

  242. Armadillo

    The human trash meet in secret and we dont know what goes on in the party room

    Yeah, I do recall now that they were ponticating about “transparancy” and yet wouldn’t let anyone into their annual conferences. If it was a spill, I haven’t seen it reported as such (hence wondering if it’s in their party rules to vacate leadership positions). A spill would align with the mass resignations I’d imagine. The staff must have put the ultimatum – it’s us or her.

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