Ask your MP what they have done for free speech

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29 Responses to Ask your MP what they have done for free speech

  1. Infidel Tiger

    What have you done for free speech?

    We made your pub smoke free.

    We banned full strength beer at the cricket.

    We took a study tour to Tuscany.

  2. samuel j

    I did. I was told that it wasn’t for them to protect free speech, but to protect me from self harm.

  3. Empire Strikes Back

    I did. I was told that it wasn’t for them to protect free speech, but to protect me from self harm.

    Que? Which party Samuel?

  4. samuel j

    ESB: it was an ACT Labor MP. But I’m not convinced that that attitude isn’t also present among some in the Coalition. Being in politics has the tendency to encourage people to think that they know better what’s good for their constituents.

  5. Infidel Tiger

    What have you done for free speech?

    We’re fining people for not locking their cars!

  6. Empire Strikes Back

    But I’m not convinced that that attitude isn’t also present among some in the Coalition

    Ta. Agreed, I know for fact it is, but I wouldn’t expect them to confess. That’s why I asked.

  7. Boambee John

    I once had a conversation with an ACT Federal ALP MP, on the subject of MPs making their own decisions about matters voted on in the Parliament.

    In essence, his response was on the lines of: “If I wanted to make my own decisions, I wouldn’t have joined the ALP”.

  8. James B

    He is so RIGHT. The problem is there are a lot of people with that position in the population, too. You’ll find many big government socialists right here at Catallaxy. They all vote Liberals.

  9. james

    I love Phelps. One of very few willing to call the communists for what they are.

  10. Tinta

    I have looked at the LDP’s policies and there are many good ones and David Leyonhjelm seems to articulate them very well. I like his line: won’t vote for anything that decreases our liberty and won’t vote for any new or increases in taxes.

  11. Alfonso

    The otherwise admirable LDP can be trashed any time it looks politically viable at any election with a series of ads re its concealed carry fantasy……where it’s frolicking with the fairies at the bottom of the garden.

  12. Rafe

    Hey, my MP is the PM!

    I got all these letters from Mr Abbott and I hoped they they were invitations to dinner but he just wanted my vote.
    No mail since the election.
    He could have said “Thanks!”

  13. The otherwise admirable LDP can be trashed any time it looks politically viable at any election with a series of ads re its concealed carry fantasy……where it’s frolicking with the fairies at the bottom of the garden.

    Not at all Alfonso. We could very quickly turn it into a debate about self-defence, for which the law prohibits carrying anything whatsoever, and have the country nodding in agreement. We are a nation of helpless victims.

  14. candy

    In all due respect, Mr Leyonhjelm, my opinion is that your gun carry policy will not go down well with Australians at all. Not at all.

    The bike helmet one is another. Slack parents will just let their kids ride without helmets. Some will get brain injuries through a nasty fall. The helmet policy’s first objective was to prevent brain injuries to children and that’s what it does. You may be making life difficult for your party promoting those two particular policies, in my opinion, and I say that respectfully.

  15. Rebel with cause

    The helmet policy’s first objective was to prevent brain injuries to children and that’s what it does.

    Why are adults forced to wear helmets then?

  16. Infidel Tiger

    The helmet policy’s first objective was to prevent brain injuries to children and that’s what it does.

    Bullshit.

    Only 2 countries in the world have compulsory helmet laws and they both are located at the arse end of the world and spend a lot of time stalking livestock:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws_by_country

  17. In all due respect, Mr Leyonhjelm, my opinion is that your gun carry policy will not go down well with Australians at all. Not at all.

    Perhaps not, but an argument in favour of active self-defence will. That was my point above.

    The bike helmet one is another. Slack parents will just let their kids ride without helmets. Some will get brain injuries through a nasty fall. The helmet policy’s first objective was to prevent brain injuries to children and that’s what it does.

    Some people will inevitably prefer to allow others to make choices for them, whether about their safety, what they eat, or their responsibility for children. Our party appeals to those who like to make their own choices.

  18. We are a nation of helpless victims.

    Yes. And the only thing better than a bikie riot at a Broadbeach cafe would be for a few customers to start firing bullets into the fray as well.

  19. John Mc

    The gun policy will go down with a solid minority of Australians that don’t feel represented by anyone else, though. The people it turns off are people who wouldn’t vote for the LDP anyway.

  20. John Mc

    Yes. And the only thing better than a bikie riot at a Broadbeach cafe would be for a few customers to start firing bullets into the fray as well.

    i.e. western Sydney right now.

  21. JC

    David

    Hit home runs and godspeed.

  22. Sinclair Davidson

    Rafe – your MP sends me letters inviting me to go bike riding with him.

  23. James B

    Wait why are we talking about David when this is a speech by Peter Phelps?

    Yes, David is a legend. Much likes Phelpsie here.

  24. Alfonso

    “very quickly turn it into a debate about self-defence.”
    David, David, David….you’ll never turn it into anything but the right of tattooed bogans without criminal convictions to carry Glocks on the High St.
    The home ‘self defence’ laws in NSW are excellent after John Tingle sorted them out.

    I own and use firearms, you’re in ga ga land on the concealed carry.

  25. John Mc

    You’re a shooters party person, aren’t you Alfo? Good!

  26. james

    Alfonso the job of a minor party is to profess what is righteous over that which is merely electable while gaining as much publicity as possible, advocating for concealed carry laws does both.

  27. Fred Furkenburger

    My take on laws such as helmet laws, seat belt laws, etc is that ever since the great god Gough introduced Medicare the State has to protect itself from the foolishness of people who do stupid things. Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that the more you want the State to look after you the more the State will want to control your activities to protect it’s interests. It’s sadly not just in that area that the State needs/wants to put more laws in place to protect itself hence we are seeing an ever increasing number of laws being enacted.

  28. Boris

    Hi David, some years ago I asked some esteemed catalxyans why they preach liberarian ideology but don’t vote LDP. The main answer was that they agree with most of the LDP policies but sharply disagree with its priorities. In particular, they are for libealisation of gun policies but they think this is not a priority issue and should be way down on the priority list. Putting this the top makes LDP look like a party of cranks. I know this is close to your heart but you should think hard about it. And think not just of current LDP membership but the wider small l liberals out there.

    I don’t think the same applies to bike helmets. The difference is that on guns we Australia is on par with an average western nation, while on bike helmets it is a strong outlyer in the wrong direction.

    Cheers and good luck.

  29. Boris

    Fred, you are abslutely right. But what’s the alternative? Let poor people die of treatable deseases if they do not have money for the health care? I think the society does not want to see that happen, and can afford to prevent this. Is there perhaps a smarter way?

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