Dead man walking II

Andrew Demetriou is looking worse as each day passes. Quite an achievement. This morning the Australian Cut and Paste section reminded us of several Demetriouisms.

Then there is the on-going Hird salary saga – Demetriou has promised to go to his grave on this issue.

It is understood that in a bid to resolve the impasse, the AFL suggested to Essendon that it should pay Hird off the books. Essendon and Hird rejected the idea.

Yes, well, there you have it. The AFL encouraging off-the-books payments to stop the CEO from looking like a turkey. A bit too late for that now, I suppose. It also raises questions about the integrity off all payments within the AFL. Obviously the AFL condones this sort of thing, or else it would never have made the suggestion. Yet the AFL has been known to crack down on off-the-books payments. So corruption is okay some of the time, but not all of the time.

Given that Demetriou went well out of his way to antagonise Chip Le Grand over at the Australian, I suspect we’ll be reading a lot more about the AFL and its selective morality over the summer.

It also appears that aspects of the AFL-ASADA scandal have been back-filled.

AFL integrity officer Brett Clothier provided a detailed account of the August 5, 2011, meeting in an email to Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators on July 17 this year. The account was included in ASADA’s interim report to the AFL two weeks later and relied on to establish Hird’s “early awareness” of substances at the centre of the supplements scandal.

Mr Clothier’s evidence was added to the brief within hours of The Age publishing an allegation that Hird was warned by the AFL against the use of peptides in late 2011. …

It is understood Mr Clothier’s relatively brief, contemporaneous notes taken of the meeting contained no mention of a warning. In his email nearly two years later, shortly after midday on July 17, Mr Clothier provided more expansive detail.

Looks like an allegation of fabrication of evidence.

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57 Responses to Dead man walking II

  1. iamok

    So as I understand it the AFL is a company limited by guarantee and as such is a not for profit. If so I am astounded that they can get away with such flagrant abuse of process. Plus paying Vlad $2M+ would have to be questionable.

    Demetriou is a shining example of type. Bully boy, secretive, wheeler-dealer. Next job anyone?

  2. the sting

    Perhaps the Federal government and any State governments who provide funds/grants to the AFL and its clubs should withhold said funds until after a full enquiry.

  3. Tom

    The only question is: will Fat Andy’s resignation be buried in the Christmas rush in an attempt to reduce the reporting of it? Or will it be announced in the full glare of the New Year as James Sutherland — administrator of Australia’s biggest summer sport who has presided over cricket’s slide into institutional incompetence — chortles in the background like the fish that missed the hook?

  4. SteveC

    It is understood that in a bid to resolve the impasse, the AFL suggested to Essendon that it should pay Hird off the books. Essendon and Hird rejected the idea.

    Understood by whom? Is that what you call hearsay evidence, Sinclair?

  5. SteveC

    How is it Hird and Essondon being drug cheats has somehow become all the fault of the AFL?

  6. JC

    Where’s the evidence they were using drugs that were illegal or banned by the AFL, steveC.

    Also the AFL is doing under the counter payments now? If this is true the fat Greek could be up on attempted tax fraud charges.

  7. Tom

    Understood by whom? Is that what you call hearsay evidence, Sinclair?

    Go and get yourself an education about how journalism works, you lazy fucking pillock. You can start by clicking on the link provided and reading the story by Chip Le Grand.

  8. JC

    This is eggsactly how Greece got into trouble, steveC. The elites aiding and abetting tax evasion.

  9. steve

    @SteveC
    “Understood by whom? Is that what you call hearsay evidence, Sinclair?”

    First statement, legitimate question

    “How is it Hird and Essendon being drug cheats has somehow become all the fault of the AFL?”

    Second statement, where is your evidence (refer first statement) and if there was any, why were there no charges?

    So, is the fat, hairy Greek your uncle?

  10. Bruce

    The two articles in the Oz look like they’ve been legalled until they squeaked for mercy.

    And they are very damning. Will Mr Demetriou and the AFL squeak for mercy too? And the previous government who grabbed this incident and ran with it as a way to distract from their woes? Will they get called to account for a beat up and unjust political pressure on the AFL? I suspect there’s more chance of me becoming the full-forward for the Western Bulldogs than that happening.

    I think Hird’s going to keep his pay this year, one way or another.

  11. stackja

    Looks like an allegation of fabrication of evidence.

    ALP SOP

    Tom
    #1101338, posted on December 7, 2013 at 11:20 am
    The only question is: will Fat Andy’s resignation be buried in the Christmas rush in an attempt to reduce the reporting of it? Or will it be announced in the full glare of the New Year as James Sutherland — administrator of Australia’s biggest summer sport who has presided over cricket’s slide into institutional incompetence — chortles in the background like the fish that missed the hook?

    Mandela will occupy the headlines for at least the next seven days. So could be a good time to quietly leave the stage for both AFL and CA.

  12. H B Bear

    Burnside QC’s advice looks exactly like you would have expected from a Lefty, bleeding heart boaty wrongologist. Hird should have stuck the Fat Greek into the witness box and gone to town.

  13. steve

    Here is the thing, I think there is a good case now for appealing the penalties.

    As well as that, it is not just the fat hairy Greek and the AFL. ASADA needs to be called to account as well. Talk about a sanctimonious bunch of circus clowns. I am waiting for the day when they all pile out of their teensy weensy clown car.

  14. SteveC

    Well derr Tom, the “It is understood” quote came from Chip Le Grand’s article. So it is understood by Mr Le Grand? That’s compelling. It is also understood by a lot of journalists that Hird and Essondon were drug cheats. So I guess only journalists who agree with you are believable?

    Anyway, we won’t have to wait long to see who is right. Not as long as it will take to see who is right about AGW anyway ;)

    It only took 15 years to out Lance Armstrong as a drug cheat, I’m hoping it won’t take that long.

  15. larrikin

    How many otheres are tethered on the fatman’s line as he dangles over the abyss?

  16. Craig Mc

    Second statement, where is your evidence (refer first statement) and if there was any, why were there no charges?

    Here.

  17. steve

    Craig Mc, so ASADA have not got enough to charge any Essendon player or official after interviewing them all in an investigation that lasted most of the year…………but you have……….you’re a flog!

  18. steve

    So what Chip Le Grand says is not believable but what “a lot of journalists” say is believable.

    Yeah that makes sense, and that is the second time you have spelt Essendon incorrectly, so you probably don’t even follow the game. or if you do, get an education.

  19. steve

    That’s SteveC I am talking about

  20. Large Brass Ears

    Much as I’d love to see the fat Socialist gone, I fear there is worse in store.

    He will parachute into a safe Labor seat.

  21. steve

    “Much as I’d love to see the fat Socialist gone, I fear there is worse in store.”

    It had better be a seat with no Essendon supporters.

  22. Up The Workers!

    I hate to corrupt the classics, but to mis-quote Virgil:

    “BEWARE OF GREEKS BEARING PENALTIES!”

  23. Sinclair Davidson

    It had better be a seat with no Essendon supporters.

    Indeed. I’m sure some Bomber patriots would be rustled up to follow him around on the campaign trail.

  24. Craig Mc

    What Gerard Whateley has been spoon-fed by Essendon’s PR team is immaterial.

    Stick to economics Sinc.

  25. johninoxley

    Has to be before Christmas. Then our large family gathering wont need two turkeys.

  26. And Another Thing

    The tragic thing about all this is that it involves a game that is truly loved by millions of people who are probably aghast at what is happening now. Old and famous clubs, and new interstate clubs under the national program strive for everything that is good about sport, peak performance and skill that can be displayed to the public.
    Then what happened. A news event for the betterment of the then Labor government was drummed up about performance drugs. As far as I can make out a lot of the controversy was about whether these were legal. At any rate, former Collingwood great Tony Shaw told Neil MItchell on radio he believed not one player would be suspended for one game over it. So far, he’s been right.
    As far as I’m concerned James Hird is a fine young man and an ornament to the sport. He’s dealt well with the situation and I’m inclined to believe him before any of the other protagonists.
    At the time of his appointment, as Essendon’s new coaching structure was revealed, I remember thinking it could be the most over- coached club in history, and so it turned out to be. No who knows who was doing what, at any given time?
    Bringing Autralian rules into disrepute is one thing the League is prepared to come down hard on. Perhaps it should have a good hard look at its and the Gillard government’s role in this.

  27. SteveC

    steve, being from NSW I’m a Swan’s supporter, though not an AFL tragic like many Victorians.

  28. SteveC

    Craig Mc, Sinc – yes/no – AOD9604 seems like a grey area to me

  29. SteveC

    James Hird is a fine young man

    In the same way as Lance Armstrong?

  30. Megan

    James Hird is a fine young man

    In the same way as Lance Armstrong?

    Absolutely no comparison and demonstrates your complete and utter ignorance. Both intellectually and of the issues in question.

  31. james

    Sinc don’t get too excited, I have a feeling the other clubs will close ranks to protect the fat greek before slowly edging him off stage.

  32. squawkbox

    Quite apart from the drugs issue, didn’t the original press conference talk about links to match-fixing and organized crime? Even if every member of every AFL team is stuffed full of steroids (rather than one coach feeding his team members possibly dodgy supplements) Demetriou and co should be forced to produce evidence or resign on the other issues.

  33. james

    Stevec you will find very few people willing to stand by the obese, hairy socialist Greek pig regardless of what their view of James Hird might be.

  34. SteveC

    james, I don’t follow AFL rabidly on a daily basis, so not sure why the antagonism to Demetriou is about, though the ‘socialist’ slur on this blog is a bit of a giveaway. But at the time of the initial announcement it seemed that there was a fair hint of drug cheating going on, and my short research showed (as above) that AOD-9604 is indeed a banned substance, and EssEndon admit administering it, so I can’t see why anyone is confused.
    Here is the WADA code, and here is the Prohibited list
    How is AOD-9604 NOT prohibited under that list?

  35. james

    Steve C I don’t really care about AOD 90210 or whether the cheating bastards at essendon used it to cheat.

    There is little to Fuck all actual evidence of wrongdoing and the fat hairy Greek prick stood up and used the reputation of the sport i love as a chip in his little game of sucking up to ALP power brokers.

    The day he goes is a good day.

  36. JC

    This has bouyed confidence at Essendon – which has never admitted its players were administered with that substance – that they will be cleared of any wrongdoing.

    Well we’re they administered the drug or not?

  37. sparky

    “..it seemed that there was a fair hint of drug cheating going on..”
    Pure speculation Stevo .The whole thrust of ASADA at that time was to investigate alleged organised criminal activity vis a vie drug taking on an industrial scale within the Australian sporting community.
    One blogger opined that ASADA presented their case as ” the blackest day in Australian sport”.
    Mate, it was the biggest beat up of all time.
    As I posted earlier, these Labour drop kicks, for all their huffing and puffing. NEVER found anything remotely close to what they were arguing. For all their digging of I suppose all the major sporting codes in Australia, ( and that includes the rugby codes that have a reputation of not being squeaky clean), the best they could do is single out one solitary AFL club ” for bringing the sport into disrepute”.
    I said quite a lot more in my earlier contribution, so I won’t repeat myself.
    Suffice to say that Demetriou is past is used – by- date.

  38. sparky

    Bugger not proof reading!
    Demetriou is past his use by date. However, it has been reported in the DT that he is being primed for a plummy Labour seat , so join the dots…..

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    James – yes, I think so too. In the meantime I’m having some fun at the AFLs expense.

  40. jock

    “Integrity Officer” ! You have to love that Aussie humor. Using the opposite to describe something. Like “bluey” for a red head. What a great sense of humor the AFL has! I would love to read the job description.

  41. sparky

    Alternatively Jock, a late but strong contender for ” Oxymoron of the Year”

  42. SteveC

    Did someone say there was no evidence they took the drug?

    With former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank admitting he gave players the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, legal experts believe the Bombers could be exploring one of several potential loopholes.

    http://www.sportslawyer.com.au/essendon-stands-firm-to-build-defence-and-claim-drug-was-permitted.htm
    Their defence seems to rest on arguing the drugs which they admit taking weren’t banned.

    james -I don’t really care about AOD 90210 or whether the cheating bastards at essendon used it to cheat.

    hmm, that says a lot.

  43. Sinclair Davidson

    SteveC – you keep pointing to allegations of wrong-doing. Everyone else keeps asking for the evidence.* Any turkey can make an allegation – indeed, we know the turkeys, Jason Clare, Kate Lundy, ACC, ASADA, AFL, Caroline Wilson, Patrick Smith etc. For those of us who think that evidence beyond the word of a bureaucrat – or worse, a politician – is required, well we’re still waiting.

    * sounding like Bird there. :)

  44. Popular Front

    we know the turkeys, Jason Clare, Kate Lundy, ACC, ASADA, AFL, Caroline Wilson, Patrick Smith etc

    Sinc, refresh my memory if you can. When this whole sport doping bullshit came out, something else unsavoury was the current headline and this story smothered it. Do you remember what it was?

  45. Sinclair Davidson

    Can’t recall which specific scandal this displaced in the headlines. Probably involving the PM.

  46. Joe in FNQ

    Demetriou sounds like a perfect fit for a safe Labor seat at the next election……

    funny this whole thing has raised its head again at this time, Hmmm…. something big happening in the courts of late, something about legal professional privilege..?? (or lack of)

  47. Popular Front

    Probably involving the PM.

    Could be. It’s ringing a distant bell but I just can’t hear it.

  48. SteveC

    Sinc, which evidence are you looking for. That the players were administered AOD9604?

    The club say they went ahead using the anti-obesity drug after receiving a document from WADA approving its use. The document in question was supplied to club doctors by now infamous sports scientist Stephen Dank, however the Bombers do not have a copy of it.

    That information is repeated in many places. Are you saying the club did not admit it?

    Or that the drug is banned – my previous posts make it fairly clear the substance is banned. The Whately clip you posted has Whately saying well it can’t be listed in two separate sections of the schedule. So either it’s listed in S2 – in which case it’s banned under S2, or it’s not listed, so it’s banned under S0. Either way it’s banned! Or are you suggesting the drug is approved for human use, and so not banned under S0?

    Essendon’s defence seems to be “somebody told me it was OK”. Ignorance of the law is not usually accepted as a defence.

  49. SteveC

    Sorry, meant to add “Happy Birthday(s)”. Hope Mrs D isn’t glaring at you saying what are you typing on your iPad ;)

  50. Token

    February was so long ago. In the week before the Liars Party & WADA stained the reputation of Aus sport (with no actual evidence) there was:

    1. Resignation of Evans & Roxon after Roxon’s attempt to take away our right to free speech failed

    2. Rudd’s challenge heating up

    3. Laptop for schools program was abandoned due to lack of money

    4. Carbin Tax clusterf@ck was really unwinding – “Garnaut admits carbon trading prices too low to work” – as the European price collapsed

    5. Leading to the Labor resurgence in the polls ending with the 2pp returning to 56/44 from 51/49 in January.

  51. jupes

    Hird should have stuck the Fat Greek into the witness box and gone to town.

    Fat boy would have backed down like he did with Doc Reid.

    As you rightly noted, Hird’s mistake was to hire the ocean going idiot and wrongologist Burnside QC.

  52. Token

    As you rightly noted, Hird’s mistake was to hire the ocean going idiot and wrongologist Burnside QC.

    Listening to Hird on that show with Sheehan & Healy for a few years, I suspect Hird actually believes Fat Andy has the gsmes best interests at heart.

    He came across as a nice guy but dedicated lefty (contrast to Healy was noticeable)

    I suspect Hird still believes he would be hurting the cause if he took down the fat man who would sacrifice anything and anyone to save his hide.

  53. jupes

    I suspect Hird still believes he would be hurting the cause if he took down the fat man who would sacrifice anything and anyone to save his hide.

    Possibly. However he’s not a stupid man, and if that was the case I suspect the scales may just be falling from his eyes about now.

  54. bombermal

    SteveC: “How is it Hird and Essondon being drug cheats has somehow become all the fault of the AFL?”

    Drug cheats?? On what evidence dopey? Now who’s into hearsay?

    It was only “governance” last I heard!

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