Thursday Forum: December 12, 2013

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  1. Pickles

    The Tuk Tuk caper is a good one. But under no circumstances associate it with the service oh alcohol or your cunning plan to service a niche will go the way of the Dodo and the Beer Slut.

  2. Makka

    The media IS the battleground. Are you listening Abbott?;

    The Age of Disinformation:

    “Now imagine a troubled high-school student who finds his way to the glossy online magazine Inspire. How would he know that its publishers, editors, and writers are all members of al-Qaeda? What might it motivate him to do? Actually, no need to imagine: Authorities believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev used information published in Inspire to make the pressure-cooker bombs used in the Boston Marathon attack.

    Ayman al-Zawahiri, now al-Qaeda’s leader, said in 2005: “More than half of this war is taking place on the battlefield of the media.” More recently, Omar al-Hammami, a member of al-Shabaab, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Somalia, said: “The war of narratives has become even more important than the war of navies, napalms, and knives.” Do America’s leaders understand the challenge implicit in those words?

    The Islamic Republic of Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism, according to the U.S. government. Its media voices include the Fars News Agency and the oddly named Press TV. Does anyone believe that they operate according to the ethics taught in Reporting and Writing 101 at the Columbia School of Journalism?”

  3. Tom

    I have just spent most of the past hour inside Hendo’s excellent Media Watch Dog, the only weekly review of the meeja that’s not a recitation of leftist political doctrine, which, along with Hendo’s weekly column, will now appear on the Oz website. Hendo, if you’re passing through, this is a plea to have MWD@The Oz hooked up to the Oz commenting software so that the world at large is able to add its thoughts on this incisive weekly tracking of the media’s performance. It will become a polemic classic as popular as Cut&Paste.

  4. Armadillo

    “More than half of this war is taking place on the battlefield of the media.”

    And in the “legal system”. I recall reading about “handbooks” discovered in al-Qaeda camps by special forces.

    Rule 1 – If captured, claim you were tortured. The West will pay to have human rights lawyers to defend you.

  5. JimD

    Good evening nice people and scrambled. Dillo , Trentham is in Victoria and used include an area of State Forest that was utilized for military training exercises from early to late 1960′s. What went on before or after I’m unaware other than it’s in the Macedon Range and apparently at some time or other some people had a rather haunting day outing in the vicinity of a granite outcrop in the general area.

  6. JC

    Tom

    You think Their ABC is feeling a little pressure at the moment? They seem to be and the fighting back such as the audit appears to be more a reflexive position as they seem to be afraid that the know we all know they are leftwing scumbags.

  7. egg_

    Teh Dumb paying out on Pier’s Peppa Pig commentary at the end of the program, including Marr dissing the Telegraph.

  8. Armadillo

    it’s in the Macedon Range and apparently at some time or other some people had a rather haunting day outing in the vicinity of a granite outcrop in the general area.

    Is that a reference to “Hanging Rock”? There is also a place called “Hanging Rock” about 40KM from Tamworth. I went there as a child. I recall the sign post (5km to Hanging Rock) and also that some wag had tied a rock off the sign with a piece of string. Funny the things you remember. Furthermore, there were no Tuk Tuk’s – what a toilet that place was.

  9. blogstrop

    The ABC can “audit” itself silly, but the fact remans that they are virtually unreformable without a large and bloody spill. Howard didn’t have the drive to follow through when his (probably wrongly chosen) appointee ran into static. The static makers have to be sidelined. You either totally rebuild it or totally can it.

  10. egg_

    the fact remans that they are virtually unreformable without a large and bloody spill.

    If the ABC is to be Fairfax-by-proxy, flog it off… i.e. defund it and sell ads like SBS – it’s beyond hope.

  11. Pickles

    I hope the references to Brandi’s RC’s indicate that the wheels are turning.

  12. Armadillo

    You think Their ABC is feeling a little pressure at the moment?

    Pressure? I get the impression that is so, but their response seems to me to be sticking up their middle finger and saying “bring it on”. I just wish Abbott would take up the challenge. It’s a fight worth having. And he needs to play to win. Take no prisioners.

  13. Tom

    You think Their ABC is feeling a little pressure at the moment?

    Absolutely. They know they’re so far outside their charter it’s indefensible. The ABC is totally out of control and they know they have overstepped. The negotiation that’s going on behind closed doors is simply: how much reform and how quickly? b) is the new ABC budget $500m? $600m? $700m? $800m?

    the fact remains that they are virtually unreformable

    100% correct, Bloggy. If you have a public service bureaucracy utterly removed from market KPIs, it will be a green-left toilet that cannot be changed. Doesn’t matter how much it is “punished”, it will always be a leftard sewer. It can never provide objective journalism while it is taxpayer-funded.

    Only two options: sell it or shut it.

  14. JC

    How about the ombudsman route which I kept hearing about well before the election? An ombudsman with the ability the fire transgressors. That would be a pretty quick way to scare the shit out of them. There aren’t any brave lefties when it’s to do with the pay cheque.

  15. Tintarella di Luna

    Only two options: sell it or shut it.

    G’day Tom

    As usual you are just too kind – I say shut it, yesterday.

  16. Makka

    Adults;

    “He said there was great enthusiasm among premiers and chief ministers at his first COAG meeting on Friday for more work to reach much better practical outcomes, particularly with getting children to school every day.

    “We are absolutely agreed that it is essential that every Australian child goes to school,” Mr Abbott said.

    “Not just occasionally, not just when its suits the child or the child’s parents, but every day.”

    Northern Territory Chief Minister Adam Giles said it was “refreshing” to see the prime minister express such an interest in this area.”

  17. JimD

    Prior to commenting on Toms’ observation of Hendersen , It’s pleasing to see some appreciation of the RMIT by the new guard. People who had brains in their head and feet on the ground went to Melb Tech .
    The change in nomenclature to RMIT was wearable but this caper of calling every tertiary place of learning a university has not only depreciated the standing of actual universities but exposed places of practical learning as being pretentious.

  18. Brian of Moorabbin

    Shoss,

    Yes I am open to constructive criticism of my ‘Football scribblings’ (as Stevie calls them).

    Also, I know several folks were not happy with the colour scheme of the WordPress theme I picked, so I am working to find one that is more visually pleasing (although I liked the black background and white text)… although I am currently limited to the default themes having not forked over the $130 for a premium account, and the additional themes that would be unlocked, at this stage.

  19. Tom

    How about the ombudsman route

    Yes, JC. Absolutely. An independent ombudsman with teeth. The real damage gets done when these Green-voting loons start doing commentary (7.30, Lateline, AM, World Today, PM, the Drum). This morning, I mentioned the new airport at Toowoomba and the controversy over planning approvals etc. The ABC 7.30 story was brilliant, such was the fairness and balance. But that story came from the Brisbane office; anything out of Sydney or Melbourne would have been propaganda for the Greenfilth. (I’m speaking as someone who has worked at the ABC, so I know the system.) Even if all those opinion shows were axed, every ABC talkback announcer/ TV anchor recites the Green-left religion. Can’t be reformed. And yet there is room in the market for a Greenfilth broadcaster; let the Greenfilth buy the shares and own it and sit on the board.

  20. Makka

    Christmas is Evil;

    The placards, which have already appeared in parts of London, feature an apparently festive scene with an image of the Star of Bethlehem over a Christmas tree.
    But under a banner announcing ‘the evils of Christmas’ it features a message mocking the song the 12 Days of Christmas.

    It reads: ‘On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me an STD (sexually transmitted disease).
    ‘On the second day debt, on the third rape, the fourth teenage pregnancies and then there was abortion.’
    According to the posters, Christmas is also to responsible for paganism, domestic violence, homelessness, vandalism, alcohol and drugs.
    Another offence of Christmas, it proclaims, is ‘claiming God has a son’.

    The bottom of the poster declares: ‘In Islam we are protected from all of these evils. We have marriage, family, honour, dignity, security, rights for man, woman and child.’
    The campaign’s organiser is 27-year-old Abu Rumaysah, who once called for Sharia Law in Britain at a press conference held by hate preacher leader Anjem Choudary, the leader of militant group Islam4UK.”

  21. Tom

    Makka @ 7.15pm. Great link. Thanks.

  22. Rabz

    Brian – give FM a miss and get into FIFA14 instead.

    You know it makes sense.

  23. Carpe Jugulum

    Only two options: sell it or shut it.

    Shut it, bulldoze the buildings and salt the earth to remove the taint.

  24. Brian of Moorabbin

    Rabz

    I’ve been looking at FIFA 14 and comparing it to FM2014 actually, trying to figure out if it’s worth switching. There are things I like about the FIFA version over FM, but there are many things I like in FM that FIFA doesn’t have…

  25. blogstrop

    “In Islam we are protected from all of these evils.”
    “We have marriage” -polygamous, which even the High Court is said to endorse.
    “family” – provided they do as they are told, nobody gets hurt.
    “honour” – supposedly preserved by honour killing?
    “dignity” – which we hypocritically stand on to the point of ridiculousness.
    “security” – imposed sharia rules that put the mafia in the shade.
    “rights for man (plenty), woman (almost none) and child (none)”

  26. egg_

    Teh Dumb paying out on Piers’ Peppa Pig commentary at the end of the program, including Marr dissing the Telegraph.

  27. C.L.

    If you want to torture yourself in an often amusing way, check out The Project – easily to the left of anything on the ABC. The token blonde (forget her name) is especially hilarious. The other night she interviewed somebody re the Holden bolter – hey, that’s a good name for a model (but I digress) – who turned out to be a union official who blamed Tony Abbott! Well, FMD. That was a shock. Then came Tanya Plibsersek. Blonde’s first question: “Tanya – thousands of jobs gone – this is really a terrible day for the labour movement isn’t it?”

  28. jumpnmcar

    Shut it, bulldoze the buildings and salt the earth to remove the taint.

    Shut it for sure but the new local ABC studio we did late last year is a valuable piece of kit.
    Due to requirements as a ” disaster broadcaster ” it’s almost bomb proof with steel window shutter s, totally sound proof even in a cyclone, secure from unwanted entry and its own power and water supplies.
    A total siege structure.
    Maybe a motorcycle club could make a reasonable bid.
    It’s a preppers dream and there’s one in every town.
    Carve it up, sell the bits and pay down the debt.

  29. Brian of Moorabbin

    Oh, and Armadillo, you mentioned that CL would be more interested in my blog if it was Cricket related..

    Well I did recently update to the 2014 edition of Cricket Coach

    Or, for the AFL enthusiasts, I do also have Premiership Coach 2011 (Which includes the GC Suns, but no GWS Giants)..

    Sadly, both games are nowhere near the quality and depth of invlvement of SI’s Football Manager series (or even EA’s FIFA series), but I could probably figure something out to do a story-style blog (like the test post linked to earlier for FM).

    (PS: That reminds me… mOnty, do I recall correctly that you said you were working on an FM-style game for AFL Football, off the back of your success with your Fantasy Football site? Is that still a work in progress and, if so, how do you manage to do any work on that project given all the time you spend displaying the depths of your ideological wrongology here every day?)

  30. JimD

    Dillo, Everyone is well aware NSW is chock a block with thieves ICAC tells us so. But to attempt to transfer Gisborne to Tamworth is really Dillo. Give the dumb bastards their dues not even Bracks and Co attempted to Macquarie Dictionary wise relocate Gundagai south of the Murray River. And as for Tamworth , if those Gisborne girls got a fright back then imagine their terror today if they got shoved off to Tamworth to be confronted by the likes of Becky Cole or whatever its’ name is.

  31. C.L.

    A breaking scandal – and a big one, IMO.

    HMAS Perth being stripped by desecrating turds on Indonesia’s watch.

    This is a serious crime.

    HMAS Perth: WWII warship grave stripped by salvagers.

  32. C.L.

    “Compared to previous trips I had made, the extent of commercial-scale salvaging was immediately obvious,” he said.

    “On the boat trip back to the marina in Anyer we passed a salvage barge with a crane and claw and a large pile of what appeared to be wreckage on the deck.”

  33. C.L.

    355 Aussies died on the Perth.

    I want these animals hunted down.

  34. Rabz

    Brian – My “management” mode on FIFA14 involves setting the formations, the positioning of the players within those formations, the players on the bench and the required substitutions.

    Then you hit kick off.

    Unlike FM, you’re out there directly controlling every single player during the course of match.

    FM strikes me as passive (or reactive), whereas FIFA14 is extremely proactive.

    Do it – you won’t regret it.

  35. blogstrop

    …it’s almost bomb proof with steel window shutter s, totally sound proof even in a cyclone, secure from unwanted entry and its own power and water supplies. A total siege structure.
    Maybe a motorcycle club could make a reasonable bid.

    Perhaps if the motorcycle clubs had been a tad less involved in organised crime and less ardent in their disdain for the society and the laws that failed to contain their anti-social attitudes and actions, I’d have some more sympathy for them in the current rather aggro legal confrontation.
    Things sometimes arrive at a point where normal laws and institutions fail. Given the runaway drug trade and firearm usage, it’s arguable that the point has been arrived at. Just as the ABC might be deemed “unreformable”, the so-called bikie gangs might be characterised as beyond the normal reach of law or reform.

  36. Rabz

    I want these animals hunted down.

    FFS – this is absolutely fucking disgraceful.

    Those evil stupid, third world peons.

  37. JC

    If you want to torture yourself in an often amusing way, check out The Project

    Who’s the idiot with what looks like a hair roller at the front of his stupid head? I’ve seen glimpses of the show from time to time and it’s not even funny.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    355 Aussies died on the Perth

    Where’s the relevant Indonesian Representatives called in to have their scrawny arses kicked to have the strongest possible diplomatic protests made?

  39. blogstrop

    As for that creep of an actor from Downton Abbey doing the ad for Greenpeace about Santa at the North Pole finding it impossible to continue! Really, it’s in the same class as Cate Blanchette pulling on a rope to twist the view of climate. It’s disgusting and reprehensible.

  40. egg_

    I’ve seen glimpses of the show from time to time and it’s not even funny.

    Ditto. Can’t endure their rapier wit for a full show.
    (Admittedly they probably dumb it down for the target demographic.)

  41. jumpnmcar

    I want these animals hunted down.

    No,
    Every car involved in a fatal crash should be left where it happened as a memorial?
    The dead care not.

  42. Rabz

    Things sometimes arrive at a point where normal laws and institutions fail. Given the runaway drug trade and firearm usage, it’s arguable that the point has been arrived at. Just as the ABC might be deemed “unreformable”, the so-called bikie gangs might be characterised as beyond the normal reach of law or reform.

    Blogs – you know I’ve always had a lot of respect for you, but this is bullshit.

    The existing laws and sentencing would be sufficient, if the so called legal system acted in its intended manner.

    Targeting so called outlaws, thugs, 1%ers, etc may work in a “moral panic” sense, but sooner or later, the not so surreptitious expansion of state power becomes utterly unacceptable.

    The cruel and ridiculous capriciousness of an increasingly totalitarian state is not something I’m all that keen about having to put up with.

    Sack the fucking softcock judges and magistrates and get in some who’ll dish out some appropriate punishment when it’s needed.

    Enough.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    the dead care not

    No, but the living might object.

    Anyway, isn’t a sunken warship, even if it isn’t a war grave, still the property of the nation who’se flag it flew?

  44. blogstrop

    you might be right, Rabz, but in either approach there’s a need for resolve.

  45. blogstrop

    For argument’s sake, was Pinochet right or wrong? Maggie Thatcher thought he was a good guy.

  46. Infidel tiger

    Pinochet was a hero.

  47. Rabz

    For argument’s sake, was Pinochet right or wrong?

    Compare and contrast Chile and Argentina (for example) now and you’ll find an answer.

  48. blogstrop

    Tick, tick, tick … book time.

  49. Brian, my game is in beta phase but I haven’t been working on it lately. It needs an artist and a mobile programmer, neither of which I am.

  50. Armadillo

    It needs an artist and a mobile programmer

    Just whack a concrete dog in there mOnster. Everyone loves them. It will look great.

  51. JC

    Sure is Monst. Don’t be under any illusions otherwise.

  52. Tom

    For argument’s sake, was Pinochet right or wrong?

    Pinochet was a mass murderer. He acted in what is now proven to have been Chile’s best long-term national interest. Allende’s communists would have turned Chile into a poor chaotic third-world shithole if the military had not intervened. But that does not justify mass murder.

    I was in Chile for the 1989-90 presidential election that defeated Allende and restored democracy and I inhaled plenty of teargas and ammonia from the water cannon.

  53. C.L.

    A sunken war ship is a cemetery, not a car wreck.

    We don’t leave the bodies in crashed cars do we?

    Seriously, dumb comment of the week.

  54. JC

    Pinochet was a hero.

    Actually he was a sumbag. There was around $50 million in various Swiss accounts when he died.

    He was just lessor a scumbag than Allende.

  55. C.L.

    Incidentally, the HMAS Perth story has another angle.

    We are talking about another top secret leak:

    Australian authorities have tried to keep the scandal a secret, fearing the issue might add fuel to the ongoing diplomatic tensions between Australia and Indonesia…

    An official report was lodged with the Department of Defence in October detailing the damage. The report, seen by the ABC, said there was a strong possibility that human remains still exist within sections of the ship and that they risk being disturbed.

    It warned action must be urgently taken to prevent further mass salvaging.

    “It is probable that unless action is taken the salvers will return and continue to pull apart the wreck, especially if their previous efforts have been remunerative,” the document said.

    “It should be noted that any attempt to remove the exposed starboard armour belt would likely involve its supporting structure and prove catastrophic to the integrity of the remaining hull structure.”

    The ABC has seen other reports of the use of explosives by salvagers to break up the ship and make it easier to dredge.

  56. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    ZK2A

    Yes, HMAS Perth (I) is Australian property. This is a serious incident but one typical in Asia, where a sunken warship is merely viewed as a commercial opportunity. it’s not confined to there either of course, the Jutland wrecks (such as were then located) were part-salvaged by Danish commercial operators in the 1950s.

    The destruction of the wreck will continue so long as no action is taken. To be honest the best action is to pay to have the wreck raised and either moved into very deep water or removed to Australian waters. However, she is on her side and would almost certainly collapse were this attempted. The next best option it to pay to have the wreck buried. Dredging a trench alongside the wreck and then dredging a ramp down which the wreck can slide has been done before (with the wreck of SMS Yorck) off Wilhelmshafen. Then fill.

    At least then grave robbers would be stymied.

  57. Armadillo

    Seriously, dumb comment of the week.

    Sorry, but I’d have to agree with that Jump.

    We don’t leave the bodies in crashed cars do we?

    More to the point, if we did leave the “wreck” on the side of the road as a memorial (instead of a cross and flowers as happens), how would you feel about someone coming along and stripping it for spare parts?

  58. Armadillo

    The report, seen by the ABC

    Reminds me. I haven’t yet seen the question about “Where did Latika Bourke obtain all those emails from”? She was holding them up proudly on “The Dumb” the other night like some sort of trophy. Bet the Liars Party would love to know. Unless I missed it, the question hasn’t even been raised.

  59. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Actually he was a sumbag. There was around $50 million in various Swiss accounts when he died.

    So he was three times Paul Keating’s league, one sixth of Eddie Obeid, 1% of Bokassa, 2% of Mugabe and unlike the last two did no mass-murders or genocide and left a viable and prosperous country behind him.

    And the people he DID top were communists and socialists who wanted a Chilean People’s Democratic Republic… built on gulags and concentration camps and with them on top.

    So really he was a simple amateur, nothing more than a bit of a lad AND nothing serious (and where’s the down side, really…) compared to the vast left-wing pantheon of ‘heroes’ like Castro, Mugabe, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, the Kims, Pol Pot etc etc etc etc

  60. candy

    At least then grave robbers would be stymied.

    MK50

    This is a really dumb question I know, but why are the ‘salvagers’ doing this now apparently only since September 2013 when it’s been known to be there all the time and there’s been no protection as a war grave ever about it?

  61. C.L.

    The destruction of the wreck will continue so long as no action is taken. To be honest the best action is to pay to have the wreck raised and either moved into very deep water or removed to Australian waters.

    Read the report, Mk.

    There’s nothing left.

    “As best we can tell from the video footage supplied, most of the superstructure – if not all of it – is gone, the guns from the forward turret, the A-turret are missing.

    “The gun houses for the two front turrets are missing, and most of the upper deck… is missing.

    “The catapult has been removed, the bridge has been removed, the crane has been removed.”

  62. jumpnmcar

    A sunken war ship is a cemetery, not a car wreck.

    I don’t have the sentimental attachment to cemeteries that most people do.
    Can you be certain your not sitting on a spot that someone died on?
    It’s a stupid type of superstition to worship that shit.
    No at all rational.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mk 50, thanks for that heads up. Anyone know if the Indons are treating the wreck of the heavy cruiser, U.S.S. Houston – sunk in the same action – in the same way?

  64. C.L.

    This is a really dumb question I know, but why are the ‘salvagers’ doing this now …

    That’s not a dumb question.

    It’s the $64 question.

  65. C.L.

    It’s a stupid type of superstition to worship that shit.
    No at all rational.

    OK, Jump.

    I’ll take a leak on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier next time I’m in Canberra.

  66. egg_

    Bet the Liars Party would love to know. Unless I missed it, the question hasn’t even been raised.

    ’cause they know the answer?

  67. Tom

    In between Western Marxist media fucktards pushing their political barrows and islamists threatening to behead anyone who tells the truth, it has become almost impossible to get reliable information out of “trouble spots” — code for the 80% of the planet where there is no Western rule of law. From Makka’s excellent link:

    In 1978, I was assigned to Northern Ireland to cover “the Troubles,” the sectarian civil conflict that broke out in the 1960s and ended, for the most part, in 1998.

    The following year, 1979, I was sent to Iran to cover the revolution being led by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In both countries, I interviewed some very hard and violent men. But in those days, reporters were seen as neutrals. Everyone wanted to talk to us — to tell us their stories and argue, through us to the public, for the justice of their causes.

    At some point over the years that followed there was a change: Those who kidnapped Daniel Pearl decided they could express themselves most eloquently not by letting him fill his notebook but by beheading him and posting the video on the Internet.

    I also spent some time covering the Soviet Union and various African countries. The authorities in these places could be difficult, and they found creative ways to exert pressure on foreign journalists. Never, however, did I think they would kill me or even jail me for a significant length of time.

    Today, by contrast, I fear it has become impossible for a journalist to visit a country such as Iran and do hard-hitting reporting in relative safety. There are lines that cannot be crossed. But how many of the reporters who spend time in Iran — courageous though they are — will acknowledge that? How many of their editors will say it publicly? Is an honest discussion of this dilemma not long overdue?

  68. egg_

    This is a really dumb question I know, but why are the ‘salvagers’ doing this now apparently only since September 2013 when it’s been known to be there all the time and there’s been no protection as a war grave ever about it?

    Was already occurring pre Sept and another well-timed leak?

  69. C.L.

    Wow.

    He was basically a hollow bullshit artist and clown

    Mumble clubs Keating myth.

  70. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    CL, I read the Australia’s Broadcasting Communists report several times and watched the video. By the reports, the bow forward of A turret has collapsed (not surprising, the Leander class has a structural discontinuity there due to the forward armoured bulkhead), A and B turrets have been damaged or destroyed, the bridge block destroyed and much of the upper deck strucures destroyed or collapsed (there were severe fires in some of these areas and they decay much faster than unburned areas). Noting on X and Y turrets or most importantly the machinery rooms where the mother lode of non-ferrous metal is (the condensers especially).

    By available data there may be most of the hull left.

    ZK2A

    Houston is a little deeper, a bit further out, and is broken in two. But is these bastards are gutting perth, she’ll be on the list. So will the IJN wrecks.

    The Indons are insane – these wrecks are valuable long-term as dive tour sites.

  71. twostix

    We are talking about another top secret leak:

    This will probably be beneficial for Abbott though.

  72. jumpnmcar

    I’ll take a leak on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier next time I’m in Canberra.

    Go for it, and climb the pyramids, Uluru and walk trod all over ANZAC cove.
    Be sure to take a witch doctor, ogga booga.

  73. C.L.

    This will probably be beneficial for Abbott though.

    Right.

    It seems like the ABC is trying to ‘even the score’ by publishing something damaging to Jakarta. I have to ask again: given that the material seen by the ABC is secret – taking possession of it a crime – why does ASIO not raid the ABC?

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mk 50 – just wondering what the American attitude would be to having one of their ships treated in such a fashion, but you raise a good point. What would be the attitude of the Japanese to having their shipwrecks stripped for scrap?

  75. Makka

    “why does ASIO not raid the ABC?”

    Along with 2 busloads of Auditors. WTF are they waiting for!?

  76. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    ZK2A – description of Houston from some time ago.

  77. Armadillo

    Considering mOnster only popped his head up for just a minute, I started to get worried about him. Thought I would wander over and see if his concrete dog had fallen over or something?

    At least he’s been busy today. Good for him.

    JC, I take it the hotline is open? Tonight could well be the one you have been eagerly awaiting. Sunday at the latest I suspect.

  78. H B Bear

    Peanut Head back to his preferred modus operandi, standing next to a flabby, uncompetitive Victorian (well it was Kim Il Carr actually), with a frown on his oversize forehead for the 6pm news.

  79. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    The Japs? They actually don’t seem to give a crap. Most WWII wrecks in their waters were broken up for scrap long ago.

    Anyhoo, early start tomorrow, so I’m offski.

  80. Oh come on

    What I took away from the recent Keating interview on the ABC:

    1) tasteless, pretentious git. Look at his ridiculously ornate offices. He’s only a few rungs below Liberace, really. Sure he wears his white-bread, (well-heeled) working class upbringing as a badge of honour, but he secretly loathes it and would much rather have been born a French aristocrat. So he affects the style of a Bourbon – poorly. And all that wank about classical music. He tries way too hard.

    2) crazy narcissist. All those newspaper clippings…I can see him in 10 years time, boring all the other residents with them at any given moment.

  81. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tom at 8:22 pm:

    ” How about the ombudsman route

    Yes, JC. Absolutely. An independent ombudsman with teeth.”

    No, that merely introduces another law which the ABC lawyers get to play with to delay, defer and deter change.

    They are presumably already equipped with ABC specific legislation which enables them to conduct an ATSIC vs Ruddock/Vanstone type campaign over a period of years, to call up ephemeral undefined concepts such as “denial of natural justice”, “inimical to the public interest”, “abuse of process” to keep the Commonwealth solicitor caught up in a tangle outlasting several Parliaments.

    Did you read what that fool Spigelman came up with the other day? He’s been awarded every possible prize a young Labor Turk of the ’70s could hope for yet last year Labor presented him with his retirement bonus as chairman of an ABC Board, which has nothing to do with how the joint is run. Comrade Carr’s former chief justice is there to ensure the legal campaign against Abbott666 is well managed.

    The ABC ought to be declared a hostile and treated as such, with no Member for Goldman Sachs or Parliamentary committee or ombudsman or well connected board to feel their pain with them.

    The cobwebbed thing was set up before I was born, to solve communication problems which have long since ceased to exist. Why are we still talking about it? Destroy it, toot sweet.

    For mine the Cabinet ought to call in Peter Reith and ask if he could do a number on the ABC similar to that which he visited on the Maritime Union of Australia in the ’90s, with Chris Corrigan’s assistance. Reith doesn’t mind a stoush and he’s untroubled by the need for popularity.

    I’d allow him two requests – Michael Kroger to assist and permission to use that mercenary black ops crew he sooled onto the wharfies, together with their dobermans.

  82. Token

    He was basically a hollow bullshit artist and clown …

    Mumble clubs Keating myth.

    John Stone recounts the events surrounding the float. Notes he blocked it until he was sure Reagan & Volcker were keeping the leftards in check in the US.

    He politely craps all over the insecure Keating.

  83. twostix

    It seems like the ABC is trying to ‘even the score’ by publishing something damaging to Jakarta. I have to ask again: given that the material seen by the ABC is secret – taking possession of it a crime – why does ASIO not raid the ABC?

    When one thinks about it, it does get pretty disturbing to think that we have this state funded media empire that has decided it’s not content to just play domestic politics but is willfully engaging in foreign affairs in order to alter the political landscape.

    Who sat around and came up with this strategy? “…right, so now we’ll leak this which will embarrass Jakarta which will force them to do X, then Abbott will have to Y…”. Perhaps the ABC should be made answerable to the Foreign Minister – if it is to be exempted from laws regarding publishing Secret information that is.

  84. Token

    This will probably be beneficial for Abbott though.

    Can’t wait to see the ABC take sides with anyone other than Australia over this issue.

  85. I see Boehner and Ryan have isolated the extremists by agreeing to a budget compromise to lift the sequester and prevent another shutdown. Next up is immigration reform probably including some sort of amnesty, apparently.

    Keep doing what you’re doing, Tea Party. Hecuka job.

  86. JimD

    CL seems to be an ABC shit stirring arsehole. Not content with posting a link to the ABC it then pastes the goodie/baddie bits on Cat. Well go look at the link and read a few of the other articles there. The mood and language expressed is extremely demonstrative of what is so wrong the ABC of today. Incite for public pressure on the government of the day to have another go at the Indos and incite for the public to have a go at the Indos. What seems apparent is the ABC scum ‘ve had hold of this “news” for eons and gone out of their way to track down a Perth survivor and give him cause for grief that he’d otherwise be oblivious to.
    ABC reports and reporters exemplify the rubbish and scum present in too much of todays’ media.

  87. Token

    Perhaps the ABC should be made answerable to the Foreign Minister – if it is to be exempted from laws regarding publishing Secret information that is.

    Parliamentary enquiry into the Australia TV tender. If I recall Mark Scott broke the rules& lobbied leading to some Liars Party members to query his actions.

    Once the breach is confirmed rule yhe tender void so the ABC stops annoying the Indo muzzies with endless stories about gay marriage & Marieke Hardy doing book club.

  88. Tom

    I’m comforted that, whenever Monty uses the phrase “heckuva job”, he’s defending the indefensible.

  89. Token

    No, that merely introduces another law which the ABC lawyers get to play with to delay, defer and deter change.

    Another committee for the Liars Party to stack with cronies next time they are in power.

    No thanks.

  90. johanna

    HB, let’s acknowledge the author of the “Kim Il Carr” tag, Senator Richard Alston, who came up with it a long time ago and taunted the bloated Kimster with it for years. Brilliant, and Carr has never been able to shake it.

    Alston, whose office I worked closely with for several years, engineered the first tranche of the sale of Telstra. Henry Ergas was his supervisor for his Masters degree.

    Alston insisted that his staff were always polite, although they could certainly be demanding. His principal adviser was Paul Fletcher, now a backbencher and the person who should be doing Turnbulls’ job.

    Fletcher, as well as being exceptionally bright, steered the Telstra sale, which was met with opposition from heavy hitting interest groups galore. It was just like privatising the ABC – people forget just how difficult and courageous it was.

  91. twostix

    I’m comforted that, whenever Monty uses the phrase “heckuva job”, he’s defending the indefensible.

    Two months ago he was jeering that the Republicans were finished.

    Oh and he was an expert on Obamacare and its imminent success too. He doesn’t talk about that anymore.

  92. 2014 GOP primary season should be entertaining. In contested states, they will get either a helpfully centrist squish Red Dog Republican, or a knuckle dragging loon who will struggle to forget not to endorse rape. The party will spend so much money and effort fighting each other that they will run out of gas for the actual election campaign.

    So much fun watching American politics at the moment as a leftie.

  93. Jessie

    Armadillo

    Specially for Mrs Armadillo

    Next post link the likely owner/seller 2005 in Melbourne

  94. jupes

    Chris Kenny reported that there was only one boat with five people on board this week.

    Seems a waste to make the journey with only five people. Maybe I didn’t hear correctly.

  95. jupes

    No doubt it has been mentioned before on this blog, but how funny was the ‘signer’ at Mandela’s memorial?

    Hilarious.

  96. Hey 26, you obviously haven’t been keeping up. 1.3 million sign ups under ACA now, the Web sites are functioning as promised. The worm turned on that story weeks ago.

    With Boehner gearing up to introduce amnesty next year, it’s going to be a bad time to be an extremist conservative.

  97. egg_

    The mood and language expressed is extremely demonstrative of what is so wrong the ABC of today. Incite for public pressure on the government of the day to have another go at the Indos and incite for the public to have a go at the Indos. What seems apparent is the ABC scum ‘ve had hold of this “news” for eons and gone out of their way to track down a Perth survivor and give him cause for grief that he’d otherwise be oblivious to.

    Agrees with the ABC meme, can’t see them doing anything to aid relations between the Abbott Govt and the Indos.

  98. Cold-Hands

    There is a good chance that much of the USS Houston has been illegally salvaged already. Even in 2002, parts were missing.
    From Mk 50′s link:

    The rear tripod and mast were still in place and well preserved. We were disappointed to find that the propellers had long since been removed. We had head rumors that they were removed years earlier by Japanese salvage divers. The prop shafts, propeller guards and rudder were still in place.

    [...]

    We decided to raise anchor and sail farther out to sea to look for the HMAS Perth, the Australian light cruiser that was sunk by the Japanese an hour earlier than the Houston. (The Perth went down with nearly 600 men still aboard).

    [...]

    We eventually unfouled ourselves from the ship below and set out to find the Perth. We had the coordinates but used our depth finder to pinpoint the wreck. We found it on the first try, dropped anchor and suited up for the dive. The Perth was deeper than the Houston and it seemed like we were descending forever.

    Given that the Houston is in much shallower water than the Perth (evidenced by the much longer dives made on it by the dive team), and had salvage performed on it starting before 2002, it is likely that illegal scavenging started on the more accessible wreck.

  99. Rabz

    I see Boehner and Ryan have isolated the extremists by agreeing to a budget compromise to lift the sequester and prevent another shutdown. Next up is immigration reform probably including some sort of amnesty, apparently.

    Keep doing what you’re doing, Tea Party. Hecuka job.

    Everything stated above is wrong.

    But then, anyone familiar with the mUttster’s methods would have known that.

  100. Armadillo

    Specially for Mrs Armadillo

    Jessie, eternally grateful. Hmm….wonder if I could somehow incorporate that into a special Christmas surprise? I’ll include your name on the card of course. Perhaps from Jesanta?

  101. Rabz

    BTW, mUttley – have you not allegedly better things to be doing, squire?

    FFS.

  102. Rabz

    Oh shit – that comment looks a lot worse than it was intended.

    Apologies, good sir.

  103. Token

    From that NR article. This is the group former VP Fat Al sold his media network to:

    Al Jazeera continues to feature Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the fiery tele-sheikh, whom columnist Jeffrey Goldberg has called “an extremist’s extremist.” Qaradawi endorses female genital mutilation, has called for punishing gay people, has defended the death penalty for Muslims who leave Islam, has had kind words to say about Hitler’s Final Solution, and has praised Imad Mughniyah, the terrorist mastermind behind the 1983 suicide bombings that slaughtered hundreds of American and French servicemen in Beirut

  104. Token

    Everything stated above is wrong.

    But then, anyone familiar with the mUttster’s methods would have known that.

    Was it Slipper or Custer that the Lord of the Wrongs predicted would be made speaker again?

  105. Cold-Hands

    Both wrecks lie very close to the shores of Java.

  106. twostix

    Hey 26, you obviously haven’t been keeping up. 1.3 million sign ups under ACA now, the Web sites are functioning as promised. The worm turned on that story weeks ago.

    You’re such an incredible clown m0nty. This maniacally optimistic schtick you’ve taken up post electoral rout is wearing thin too.

  107. Rabz

    Link for Rabz.

    Listen, Pal – I’ve never been a fan of that “man of colour”, if that’s any consolation.

  108. Token

    Hey 26, you obviously haven’t been keeping up. 1.3 million sign ups under ACA now, the Web sites are functioning as promised. The worm turned on that story weeks ago

    No it hasn’t, people are losing coverage and not getting treatment for illnesses. The website was always a sideshow compared to the real issue.

  109. nic

    Hendo, if you’re passing through, this is a plea to have MWD@The Oz hooked up to the Oz commenting software so that the world at large is able to add its thoughts on this incisive weekly tracking of the media’s performance. It will become a polemic classic as popular as Cut&Paste.

    Agree. Hendo’s columns are must reads wasted on Fauxfacts readers

  110. twostix

    Mumble clubs Keating myth.

    Keating in power would sometimes deride the Tories

    Any Australian who refers to Liberals as “Tories” needs to be punched in the face.

  111. Cold-Hands

    1.3 million sign ups under ACA now

    In a population of over 300 million? Woop-de-do!

  112. nic

    I’m gobsmacked about the desecration of what is a war grave. Remind me again about ‘insults’ to the Indonesians……

  113. Rabz

    Any Australian who refers to Liberals as “Tories” needs to be punched in the face.

    + infinity

  114. Jessie

    Love from Mr Armadillo will do nicely,

    Here is a picture for the Christmas card

  115. candy

    Any Australian who refers to Liberals as “Tories” needs to be punched in the face.

    I don’t know if we need the punched in the face bit twostix !..

    But yes, in Australia, “tories” its used as a derogatory term only. My reading of “mumbles” is that he is a devout Labor follower/anti Abbott.

  116. No it hasn’t, people are losing coverage and not getting treatment for illnesses. The website was always a sideshow compared to the real issue.

    A small amount of people pay more for insurance, but a larger amount pay less, and an even larger amount get access to Medicaid. Overall there are a boatload more wins than losses, and the losses are by people who can afford it. That was always the deal.

    As the Web site issues have subsided, you lot have no practical argument left, just ideology.

  117. twostix

    No it hasn’t, people are losing coverage and not getting treatment for illnesses. The website was always a sideshow compared to the real issue.

    He doesn’t care Token – he’s only here to get his relevance deprivation fix.

    Regarding the Republicans they seem to have a nice little ploy going where the “moderate” house republicans propose things and the tea party senators “erupt”. A “war” ensues then a “compromise” is grudgingly reached but it’s a compromise between the right and the moderate right. Which is a big break from how it used to always be for republicans where any “compromise” was always a “compromise” between Republicans and the democrat left. Whereas for the Democrats it’s always, always a “compromise” between the far left and “moderate” democrats.

    So they’ve basically co-opted the exact same strategy the left has used for decades.

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Finished radiation treatment today so I’ll probably be back under the bridge for a while.

    SteveC, my kindest thoughts to you; you don’t need any political playful wrangling from me or Dr. BG in your life right now. Rest and keep your mind focussed on getting through this treatment and winning this battle. We can argue the toss on those less important things when you are feeling better.

    Mick of Gold Coast. I hate this developing meme here of ‘dob in a Facebook comment’. It’s Puritan.

  119. 26, you really should read the news. Today the Republicans mostly voted for a budget compromise agreed to on their behalf by Paul Ryan between them and Democrats, with Tea Party types excluded. Today marked a return to normality, back when the system used to work, before the Tea Party started destroying the joint.

  120. Cold-Hands

    A small amount of people pay more for insurance, but a larger amount pay less, and an even larger amount get access to Medicaid. Overall there are a boatload more wins than losses, and the losses are by people who can afford it. That was always the deal.

    This is simply rubbish. Almost everybody pays more- this is the only way to cover the previously uninsurable. The promised deal was always a lie. Why else would Obama be forced to apologise for his “If you like your insurance, you can keep it” lie?

  121. twostix

    A small amount of people pay more for insurance, but a larger amount pay less, and an even larger amount get access to Medicaid. Overall there are a boatload more wins than losses, and the losses are by people who can afford it. That was always the deal.

    Yes m0nty. You also said the NBN was on track and in budget too.

  122. H B Bear

    Dumble is The Australian’s in-house Crikey.

  123. C.L.

    Are you on drugs, JimD?

    You insult me and then agree with everything I posted – only stating it more militantly.

  124. Token

    He doesn’t care Token – he’s only here to get his relevance deprivation fix.

    Its worse. He is like a person defending the deaths from the soviet created famine in the Ukraine in the 30s.

    Those unimportant statistics who lost coverage during the middle of critical and expensive treatments had to be sacrificed for the greater good.

    He took the same approach to the 1, 500 – 4, 000 who died at sea due to Labor’s removal of the extremely successful border protection policies put in by the Coalition.

  125. twostix

    Today the Republicans mostly voted for a budget compromise agreed to on their behalf by Paul Ryan between them and Democrats, with Tea Party types excluded. Today marked a return to normality, back when the system used to work, before the Tea Party started destroying the joint.

    lol what a clown.

  126. Token

    This is simply rubbish. Almost everybody pays more- this is the only way to cover the previously uninsurable. The promised deal was always a lie.

    The reason that the law is toxic with milenials is due to people turning 26 who get tossed from their parents plan are figuring out how badly they’ve been screwed.

  127. Token

    So they’ve basically co-opted the exact same strategy the left has used for decades

    LOL. Its been fun reading M0nty put in writing that Boehner & Ryan are “not ideological”

  128. US health care cost growth is almost down to zero, and will shortly be negative. Only about a third of that is attributable to the design of Obamacare, admittedly, but it means that Obamacare can cover a lot more people and still be affordable.

    You lot need to read up on the subject a bit more. It seems you are uninformed.

  129. Token

    Hey, Obamacare is going so well its an award winner:

    Politifact Editor Angie Drobnic Holan joined CNN Thursday to discuss Politifact’s 2013 Lie of the Year. The winner: President Obama’s promise, “if you like your plan, you can keep it.

    Yes, the tide has turned…

  130. twostix

    LOL. Its been fun reading M0nty put in writing that Boehner & Ryan are “not ideological”

    “Tea Party types wrecking the joint”

    …a movement the Whitehouse suppressed the using the IRS. An action which m0nty completely approved of. Like he approved of Labor “regulating” the content of newspapers, books and blogs.

    But, no, no he’s not a fascist, he’s an “institutionalist”.

  131. Token

    You lot need to read up on the subject a bit more. It seems you are uninformed.

    Good idea, and unlike M0nty I will provide a quote from real analysis rather than unsubstantiated opinion:

    When presented with these and other facts, Obamacare’s defenders note that the rate of increase in health-care costs has slowed in recent years. “I’m not going to walk away from something that has helped the cost of health care grow at its slowest rate in 50 years,” Obama said last month.

    This spin doesn’t work either. The slowing of health-care costs began a decade ago, and even the administration’s own actuaries say the recent drop is mostly attributable to the lousy economy. But even that’s too generous to Obama. Costs haven’t dropped. The rate of increase in spending has slowed. We’re still on course to spend a record $2.9 trillion on health care in 2013.

    Obamacare may have been sold on a trinity of lies, but it turns out it’s also lies all the way down.

    The basis of the “savings” claim comes from calcultions similar to those that guided the ALP to “invest” in the NBN:

    Obama promised on numerous occasions that the average family of four will save $2,500 a year in premiums. Where did that number come from? Three Harvard economists wrote a memo in 2007 in which they claimed that then-Senator Obama’s health-care plan would reduce national health-care spending by $200 billion. Then, according to the New York Times, the authors “divided [$200 billion] by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500.”

    M0nty is just a lying liar who is compelled to lie.

  132. It appears you lot have not realised that your talking points have expired, and you need new ones.

    Here, let, me set them out for you:

    - Boehner is the Antichrist
    - Ryan is the new Chamberlain
    - McConnell is Osama’s half cousin
    - Karl Rove is Keyser Soze

  133. wreckage

    Only about a third of that is attributable to the design of Obamacare

    So 60% of the drop has nothing to do with the biggest and most invasive attempt to bring costs down ever attempted?

  134. wreckage

    your talking points have expired

    Translation: I am being owned mercilessly.

  135. Gab

    lol you can always tell when monty has lost the argument and he’s got nothing in reserve: he starts with the “you lot are idiots/uninformed/stupid [insert whatever insult]. Look, monty spent a couple of weeks in the US so he’s an authority on anything to do with US politics, doncha know? And a specialist on US history. Be sure to ask him about his insights on Custer at the Alamo.

  136. I like, Tokes, that your quote sets out what Obama said and then completely admits it is true, but then claims a lie based on no evidence whatsoever.

  137. So 60% of the drop has nothing to do with the biggest and most invasive attempt to bring costs down ever attempted?

    Yep, IIRC it was about a third Obamacare, a third the GFC and a third expiration of drug patents. But hey, good news either way for Americans.

  138. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Elizabeth (Lizzie) B. at 11:21 pm:

    “Mick of Gold Coast. I hate this developing meme here of ‘dob in a Facebook comment’. It’s Puritan.”

    Oh that were me amusing myself Elizabeth, by batting the “Facebook” comment back over the net to the various senders – not really knowing what the term means ‘cos I don’t go there, not remembering who the senders here are and, in any event, being unmoved by their crying about contributors who don’t accord with their ideal specification of a legitimate post.

    Praise be that they’re not legislators because their statutes would be weighed down with intolerance, and I was taught long ago that a bad law need not be observed.

    It’s a bit like seeing, for example, Abu Chowdah (I think) complaining about rugby, or any sports murmurings, and making a point of immediately coming up with a piece of rugby trivia, underwritten by a wide smile to myself, to remind him its a place where one can contribute pretty much what one likes.

  139. C.L.

    Independent analyst Charles Krauthammer had a good take on things earlier this week.

    Short version: the Democrats are going to be steamrollered next year.

    Plus almost everyone in America now hates Obama.

  140. Oh come on

    So much fun watching American politics at the moment as a leftie.

    Poor m0nty. Faking bravado really isn’t a strength of yours. The one issue that could have prevented the Dems from getting clobbered in 2014 has been neutralised. Ryan hasn’t gone soft on fiscal matters – his wimpy bipartisan deal is to ensure that the ongoing trainwreck that is Obamacare doesn’t get pushed off the front pages by responsible but quixotic and unwinnable confrontations over the deficit. It’s much easier to be responsible when you have the numbers. Oh sure, the deficit hawks have to screech (a $28 billion saving over 10 years or whatever the deal’s yielding is truly pathetic if you actually care about balancing the budget), but privately they know full well why this has been done. They know they’re going to be taken a lot more seriously, and be able to get a lot more done, after the mid-terms.

    Oh and if you think the worst days of the ACA debacle are behind us, you’re deluded. Fact is that the ACA is so politically toxic now that there’s pretty much nothing that can be done to stop it from eviscerating the Democrat vote next year.

  141. twostix

    Yes, the tide has turned…

    The sound of the tide turning:

    The Affordable Care Act has become toxic, especially among independents who will decide the 2014 contest. In a Nov. 11 Quinnipiac poll, 30% of independents approved of the health-care law.

    Since September, Mr. Obama’s approval on health care in the Pew Research Center poll declined four percentage points, to 37%. His overall job approval dropped to 41% from 44%. Worse are the hits to his credibility. In the Quinnipiac poll, 46% of registered voters and 51% of independents believe Mr. Obama “knowingly deceived” Americans when he promised they could keep their health plan if they liked it.

    ….

    Democrats Fear Obamacare Will Cost Them The Senate

    Race-by-race polling conducted over the last month has painted a grim picture of the difficult environment Senate Democrats are facing next year. In Louisiana, a new state survey showed Landrieu’s approval rating is now underwater; she tallied only 41 percent of the vote against her GOP opposition. In Arkansas, where advertising on the health care law began early, Sen. Mark Pryor’s approval sank to 33 percent, a drop of 18 points since last year.

    M0nty, can you give the theory that the Republicans will take the Senate next year your Chief Wrongologist “shit for brains” stamp of approval please? Just so we know with certainty it will happen. Thanks.

  142. C.L.

    Look at [Keating's] ridiculously ornate offices. He’s only a few rungs below Liberace, really.

    LOL. So true. I saw an interview with the wacko’s taxpayer-funded “office” a couple of years ago. He actually had a Roman bust in the fireplace. Seriously.

  143. Gab

    by batting the “Facebook” comment back over the net

    and a return volley right back at you, Mick. Funny thing though, those facebook commenters are gone. For now at any rate and good riddance.

  144. unlike M0nty I will provide a quote from real analysis rather than unsubstantiated opinion

    Ane then Tokes links to National Review, LOL. Have another toke, Tokes.

  145. Token

    …t your quote sets out what Obama said and then completely admits it is true, but then claims a lie based on no evidence whatsoever.

    You’re not here for the hunting are you?

    In September, the Obama administration’s Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services used far more rigorous methods to predict that Obamacare would increase national health-care spending by $621 billion. Using Obama’s own math, that would mean — according to Chris Conover, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute and Duke University — each family of four in America will spend an additional $7,450 thanks to Obamacare.

    Of course, that methodology is still bogus. But it’s probably closer to the truth.

  146. Independent analyst Charles Krauthammer

    AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

  147. Gab

    He’s got nothing but sneers. Poor monty, such a loser.

  148. Token

    …links to National Review.

    Ok, he finally shows me his belly with that final desperate attempt. He does continue whining though…

  149. C.L.

    The most interesting thing in America is that Cruz won the shutdown war.

    Obama is now a toxic laughing stock.

    The whole world laughed at him at Mandela’s funeral.

    Times certainly have changed.

    Yesterday he won PolitiFact’s Lie of The Year Award.

    One wag observed that it was the first honour Obama had ever actually earned.

  150. C.L.

    Listening to the John Stone interview.

    Speaking on Keating’s “imaginary” take on the dollar float … “that’s his business, poor man.”

    LOL.

  151. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gab at 11:56 pm:

    “and a return volley right back at you, Mick. Funny thing though, those facebook commenters are gone. For now at any rate and good riddance.”

    Tell me, Gabrielle – wasn’t it only to do with the regular contributors taking to saying “good morning” or “nighty night, sweet dreams” or “I just poured my lovely Lan Choo tea” and that sort of stuff? I only noticed it in passing as topical, without setting out to understand why.

  152. Oh come on

    Look, monty spent a couple of weeks in the US so he’s an authority on anything to do with US politics, doncha know?

    Gab is absolutely correct! But she forgot to mention a fact that makes the mastery of US politics m0nty acquired during his time there an even more impressive intellectual achievement – 80% of the waking hours in the US he spent commenting here. And still he managed to become the US politics analyst-extraordinaire we see on this thread.

  153. Token

    Speaking on Keating’s “imaginary” take on the dollar float … “that’s his business, poor man.”

    It is clear who was the adult & decision maker in that partnership.

  154. Cruz looks powerless now, he couldn’t stop a large majority of Republicans voting to increase spending. Boehner has taken back control.

    As for Obamacare popularity, the polls lag on issues like that, it will turn as reality has turned.

    The GOP may very well win back the House next year, but who will win the primaries? If it is a bunch of squishes, you lot won’t count that as a win.

  155. C.L.

    As for Obamacare popularity, the polls lag on issues like that, it will turn as reality has turned.

    LOL.

  156. twostix

    Tony Abbott is poised to implement my idea:

    “And I don’t believe that the staff at Ford and Holden are in any way incapable of being redeployed to really sustainable, satisfying employment in the future.

    First off to build 100 dams then off to FNQ you go you state employees you.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/cars-crisis/tony-abbott-pledges-car-aid-package-in-wake-of-holden-announcement/story-fnkpx5o5-1226782274376

    He had better give me a hat tip.

  157. JC

    . And still he managed to become the US politics analyst-extraordinaire we see on this thread.

    Yea, it was transformational. I’d never read a US pundit as good as fatboy on his worse day. It must have been a combination of a lot of things, but the one big one was that he was no longer a virgin.

  158. Gab

    Tell me,

    Just banal comments about nothing, constantly. And then commenting about sommenting. And then ridiculing of commenters that have an excellent vocabulary, because big words made them nervous or something. They thought a high number of comments was preferable to quality of comments. One or two are still around but at least they don’t comment incessantly now.

  159. Gab

    commenting about commenting.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Agree Mick. I vote we take the ‘Facebook meme’ out of circulation for at least a while. It has run its course here now. Perhaps it was useful for a while in for signalling this place as one where a level of seriousness to the blog is required. But the Cat such a vibrant place that if a ‘dob in a Facebook comment’ culture slowly pervades for any oddball or seemingly irrelevant piece that someone doesn’t like much then imho the Cat loses out.

    Relevance is as relevance does, or life is like a box of chocolates, or one man’s Mead is another man’s Persian, or whatever. Play the comment, not the meme.

  161. wreckage

    The GOP may very well win back the House next year, but who will win the primaries? If it is a bunch of squishes, you lot won’t count that as a win.

    Pffft. I will. IT doesn’t consider anything less than Stalin-style purges a win, and CL will probably be grumpy about it. Everyone else will cheer.

  162. Gab

    culture slowly pervades for any oddball or seemingly irrelevant piece that someone doesn’t like much then imho the Cat loses out.

    That’s actually not true. Interesting oddball comments are welcome, I believe. Also, see my comment above. Sorry to disagree with you. Hope you’re not offended.

  163. JC

    This is truly fucking amazing. Also linked to by gab. So this fucking idiot is commenting basically on what Caroline Wilosn has reported?

    A FIERCE dispute between the AFL and Essendon over whether James Hird could be paid while suspended has meekly ended in farce, with the league endorsing a contrived arrangement in which the banned coach will receive his entire salary for next year before Christmas.

    The extraordinary capitulation by the AFL, which came a day after league chief executive Andrew Demetriou threatened to withhold regular funding from Essendon until it stopped paying Hird, came as the club was preparing to take the league to court.

    Having sworn to “go to my grave” with the knowledge that Essendon was not paying Hird, Mr Demetriou has now accepted the club will pay Hird his salary as stipulated by his three-year coaching contract. Under the terms agreed to last night, next year’s salary will be paid this year.

    In a joint statement, the AFL and Essendon said: “The AFL has accepted the Essendon Football Club’s position that James will not be paid in 2014 and equally the AFL have accepted that the Essendon Football Club has the right to make payments to James Hird in the 2013 year as it sees fit.”

    Hird declined to comment.

    The resolution came as World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey conceded his public declaration that Essendon faced inevitable doping charges was based on months-old “general discussions” and what he had read in newspapers.

    Mr Fahey, who finishes as the head of the world’s peak anti-doping body this month, has repeatedly said Essendon would have a case to answer once the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency completed its investigation into the club’s 2012 supplements program.

    Mr Fahey reiterated those comments in an interview with the Australian Financial Review published yesterday.

    “I expect there will be several charges by ASADA,” he said. “It’s only a matter of when.”

    When contacted by The Weekend Australian, Mr Fahey admitted he had no specific knowledge on which to base his claims.

  164. Gab

    Another excellent column by Grace Collier. RTWT:

    AT a meeting before the recent federal election, then opposition industry spokeswoman Sophie Mirabella asked Holden boss Mike Devereux if she could see Holden’s business plan.

    Devereux reacted with astonished bemusement.

    Mirabella may have known that a clause called “information sharing” meant unions are given a “business plan” covering “performance, key forward activities and events” and more, four times a year.

    Whether she knew it or not, Mirabella was only asking to see the same information the unions are given. It has been confirmed Mirabella never received any business plan or similar document from Holden.

    Contrary to allegations this week by the union at the centre of the Holden debacle, the Coalition has never encouraged Holden to attack worker conditions.

    Insiders say Devereux surprised them before the election with an unsolicited confession: he had been too soft on the unions, Holden’s blue-collar workforce was paid significantly above market average, and this had to change for the company to have a chance of survival.

    Devereux volunteered he had a plan to deal with wages and union control. If the workers rejected his plan, Holden would have no choice but to exit the country.

    Perhaps Mirabella suspected Devereux might be a double-dealer. Certainly, she would have been smart enough to not fall for a “Mirabella told us to cut your wages, here comes WorkChoices!” type leak.

    Devereux went on to declare publicly that the election result was a referendum on whether Australians wanted Holden. He got his answer in the negative.

    In the aftermath of Tony Abbott’s victory, many were surprised when Ian Macfarlane landed the industry portfolio. More recently, many were appalled when Macfarlane appointed Greg Combet to advise him on industrial relations issues within struggling companies.

    The business community had anticipated Mirabella and ended up with Macfarlane and Combet; it is chalk and cheese

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/prickly-path-out-of-enterprise-bargaining-jungle/story-fnkdypbm-1226782711831

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    And here I/we are, commenting about commenting.

    Enough. I am off to bed.

  166. Oh come on

    m0nty, Cruz is perhaps the smartest guy on Capitol Hill. He may have lost the shutdown battle, but he won the war (and of course I’m sure he never expected to win the battle; he won the war when he showed he was willing to fight). Subsequently, he saw that Obamacare is clearly going to collapse under its own weight. Sure, he’s obliged to complain about the bipartisan deal Ryan struck, because it’s so crap – as if the Dems would let anything else through the Senate. Cruz knows that, for now, the adults aren’t running the show. This is proving to be their undoing, however. Cruz has likely realised that all he needs to do between now and the midterms is fly the flag (ie. complain about the budget deal that’s been struck but do nothing about it) and repeatedly highlight the colossal clusterfuck the Democrats have wrought as it continues to unravel. He’s on cruise control now – and that’s going to safely get him and other like-minded GOP figures over the line in 2014.

    If you want to interpret that as him “losing control”, then you’re in for a big surprise next year.

  167. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Gabrielle – thank you for so assisting the elderly. “banal” is such a good word, and bagging people for being articulate “because big words made them nervous or something” is licence to eviscerate, ruthlessly.

    Elizabeth – Mrs Muck reckons I occasionally give the most marvelous addresses in my sleep, which cannot be understood. That last paragraph of yours, well …. :)

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    More recently, many were appalled when Macfarlane appointed Greg Combet to advise him on industrial relations issues within struggling companies.

    This is one I missed. No wonder HIA told me today to read this piece.
    Why did we vote for these people who turncoat on us with an appointment for Combet?

  169. Armadillo

    I’d never read a US pundit as good as fatboy on his worse day

    I believe the last hour of frantic posting by mOnster may have been a cry for help. He wants you to look at his website. Apparently he is qualified to talk on this sort of thing. He also wishes to draw attention to the fact that Sinclair is leading some sort of “Tea Party” conspiracy via the Cat to tear down the achievements of someone or other…..perhaps Rimmer……or something…….I lost the story line and all interest about halfway through.

    I did warn you earlier – make sure the hotline is open. It’s likely to be a busy weekend.

  170. kae

    Yesterday I learnt a bit about the synchrotron.

    It’s an amazing tool for research.

    Fill your boots.

  171. Armadillo

    OK, it’s not as if I can’t take a hint. I’ll just wander about here alone then.

  172. Armadillo

    Look on the bright side Armadillo. This could be fun. You can say whatever you the hell you damn well want to now that no-ones about.

  173. kae

    The word is mum, Armadillo.

    I won’t tell a soul.

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Interesting oddball comments are welcome

    Good.
    I am off now Mick to practice my rhetoric in the arms of Morpheus.
    He is a good listener, although rather inclined to doze off in my best bits.
    Thus, having awakened because Morpheus has given up on the job, I give Da Hairy Ape an earful of it, and he mutters mmm occasionally until I have finished.
    I find it helps to have an audience, even if it is an inattentive one.

  175. Armadillo

    The word is mum, Armadillo.

    Mum, can you come and clean up this thread and take out the garbage? I had nothing to do with the disgusting mess left behind. It was all them others. I’m going out. Thanks Mum.

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