A human rights commissioner who knows a thing or two about human rights

tim wilson

Our new Human Rights Commissioner.

A great choice and congratulations to Tim.

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183 Responses to A human rights commissioner who knows a thing or two about human rights

  1. C.L.

    But but …

    Human rights is supposed to be about attacking white males and abolishing freedoms.

    This is outrageous!!

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    Is this the end then for the fearless Mz Trigg? There are so many of these Labor busybody outfits, I cannot keep track of who is who at the top the the PC pile.

  3. Tapdog

    WOW!! That is completely wonderful news !

  4. michaelfstanley

    Tim will be a great advocate for taxpayers – he has a great record of defending those who pay his salary

  5. Gab

    Great news. Congratulations, Tim. At least there will be one commissioner genuinely interested in defending free speech and free press. He’ll have his job cut out for him fighting against the other commissioners who are all rabid leftists and also Brandis who seems meek and mild and will only want to slightly water down 18C in the hope leftards will love him.

  6. Woolfe

    Fantastic news! Freedom, the best Christmas Present!

  7. C.L.

    Of course, a truly ballsy government would abolish this ridiculous body outright.

  8. Gab

    Of course, a truly ballsy government would abolish this ridiculous body outright.

    Absolutely, and a truly ballsy government would not go ahead with the racist “recognizing” Aboriginals in the Constitution.

  9. Token

    Good luck Tim. Better get some CCTVs set up pronto.

  10. Gab

    hehehe this will make lefty heads explode.

  11. As I suggested over at the open thread, the appointment doesn’t make much sense if Brandis is only going to modify s.18C.

    Of course, this government, nor the next Labor government, is likely (in the absence of a bugging scandal like that in England) to touch news media self regulation again anytime soon, so what Tim is supposed to be doing as “Freedom Commissioner” in this time is all a great mystery.

  12. C.L.

    Steve’s really angry.

    LOL.

  13. jupes

    Is this the end then for the fearless Mz Trigg?

    Doesn’t look like it. She’s still the prez. Tim is just one of seven commissioners:

    Professor Gillian Triggs
    President

    Mick Gooda
    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner

    The Hon Susan Ryan AO
    Age Discrimination Commissioner

    Ms Megan Mitchell
    Children’s Commissioner

    Graeme Innes AM
    Disability Discrimination Commissioner

    Dr Tim Soutphommasane
    Race Discrimination Commissioner

    Elizabeth Broderick
    Sex Discrimination Commissioner

  14. jupes

    Judging from that crowd above, I bet conversations go really quite when Tim walks up to the water dispenser.

  15. Driftforge

    Fisk doctrine in action?

  16. Tom

    So, being the bureaucracy’s version of the ABC, there’s to be a token conservative planted among the seven howler monkeys that represent the Greens and the far left of the Liars Party. I think Tim will find very quickly it’s an institution that was set up to enforce modern leftist totalitarianism and can’t be reformed. It has never made a decision that increases human freedom. It’s a cancer on the democracy. Shut it down.

  17. Gab

    Professor Gillian Triggs President Mick Gooda Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner The Hon Susan Ryan AO Age Discrimination Commissioner Ms Megan Mitchell Children’s Commissioner Graeme Innes AM Disability Discrimination Commissioner Dr Tim Soutphommasane Race Discrimination Commissioner Elizabeth Broderick Sex Discrimination Commissioner

    Watch as the leftards howl and sneer becuase one appointment isn’t from the left.

  18. JC

    Congrats Tim. Give the menacing loons hell.

    Nice Xmas present for the rest of us.

  19. H B Bear

    I hope they televise the meetings. It will be like the UFC with muffins.

  20. srr

    Last time I saw Tim politely mincing Lefty heads on TV, he looked so … ‘comfortable’, I thought, oh God, let whatever’s making him look like that, be good news for all of us.
    Never under-estimate the prayers of God’s faithful!

  21. JC

    Tom

    Or perhaps sack the loons and just have Tim. Problem solved. Not one of those bastards spoke during the Finkelstien era. Not a one.. Sack’em and be done with them.

  22. Mrs Beardsley

    Mrs Beardsley is very happy about the news. He will have his work cut out for him.

  23. JC

    Why is Stepford so upset? Anyone know….?

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Of course, a truly ballsy government would abolish this ridiculous body outright.

    No. For the next decade every leftist wanktank must be stuffed to the gunnels with freedom loving wing nuts.

    Then we can abolish them.

  25. duncanm

    Last time I saw Tim politely mincing Lefty heads on TV, he looked so … ‘comfortable’, I thought, oh God, let whatever’s making him look like that, be good news for all of us.

    that’s the strategy, I suspect.

    Get the cat in there – make the place completely dysfunctional, then you have a case for shutting up shop.

  26. Uber

    Well, some good news. Welcome, good news.

  27. Craig Mc

    …what Tim is supposed to be doing as “Freedom Commissioner” in this time is all a great mystery.

    To piss off all the usual suspects of course.

  28. So, being the bureaucracy’s version of the ABC, there’s to be a token conservative planted among the seven howler monkeys that represent the Greens and the far left of the Liars Party. I think Tim will find very quickly it’s an institution that was set up to enforce modern leftist totalitarianism and can’t be reformed. It has never made a decision that increases human freedom. It’s a cancer on the democracy. Shut it down.

    Tom, I think you may be right. I am going to wait and see with this one, like when Keith W was with the ABC gang. It’s so very very hard to unpick it from the inside when you’re on your own and the entire infrastructure is weighing against you.

    I’m not saying it can’t be done; just that it’s very hard.

    A more paranoid person would say this was the Abbott govt’s way of shutting up the IPA as potential critics …

  29. Andrew

    Gab, yes – the heads are exploding. They’re almost unhappier about THIS than they were with Abbott666′s election!

  30. freedom loving wing nuts

    Don’t forget the swivel eyed tea partiers as well!

  31. Robbo

    Lefty heads ARE exploding!
    It’s priceless.
    Go Tim.

  32. Andrew

    Wonder if they’re sufficiently non-self-aware to bully him in the workplace?

  33. .

    The problem is Gab, we already recognise Aboriginals in the constitution. The best thing to do for their liberty would be to remove all reference to them.

  34. Bruce

    Sounded great until I read Jupes contribution.I had no idea that that organization was carrying so much dead wood. Susan Ryan???? Jesus wept!

  35. Get the cat in there – make the place completely dysfunctional, then you have a case for shutting up shop.

    What are you talking about? It’s already dysfunctional. We’d make it functional, so lefturds would then want it shut down. What’s not to like?

  36. Robert Blair

    I’m with Phillipa on this one.

    However, I think Tim has the benefit of a lot of hindsight that Windschuttle didn’t have.

    I also think Tim is probably a bit bitter at the intellectual head-banging than Keith (not that he is a slouch at it either).

  37. Megan

    WOW is right. That’s a giant step in the right direction. Congratulations Tim.

  38. Angry God

    Loving the twitter meltdown. Every idiot unable to actually form an opinion on their own is exploding without recognising the irony of their statements.

    THe lack of self awareness is awesome to behold.

    Mirrabella to the ABC board would result in fatalities.

  39. egg_

    The problem is Gab, we already recognise Aboriginals in the constitution. The best thing to do for their liberty would be to remove all reference to them.

    +1

  40. This will backfire.

    Tim Wilson is an international public policy analyst and commentator specialising in international trade, health, intellectual property and climate change policy.

    Making him entirely unqualified in the matter of human rights, as far as I can see.

    It’s one thing to appoint a moderate critic of an organisation in the hope of internal reform; it’s another thing to appoint a critic from an organisation that wants a government body abolished to that body.

    It is absurd.

  41. Rabz

    Mere window dressing.

    I’ve already voiced my opinion on this malign, festering collective of totalitarian tw*ts over on the open thread.

  42. CL, get ready for the phone call – Abbott wants you in charge of HIV Education in the Health Department.

    Philippa, I hear they want someone independent to do a review of Medicare funding for abortion.

    Andrew Bolt is probably considering the offer to head the ABC as we speak.

  43. wreckage

    Stack the thing. Stack ALL the things. That is how the game is played.

  44. Driftforge

    It is absurd.

    Gloriously, wonderfully absurd.

  45. Tom

    This will backfire.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  46. Infidel Tiger

    If nothing else is achieved in Abbott’s premiership, then so be it. It has all been worth it for Steve’s meltdown.

  47. Philippa, I hear they want someone independent to do a review of Medicare funding for abortion.

    I’d be thrilled to do that, and very glad of the opportunity. Abortion harms far more women than it helps. And we’re not talking about flasks of hypothetical embryos here, of the type beloved by some of our more unusual blog contributors. We’re talking about actual real women who are crying all the time for years afterwards, and self-harming, and having repeat abortions, and leaving a trail of psychological damage of other people in their wake as well.

    I’d recommend that Medicare funding be directed away from the procedure itself, and into counselling before and after the procedure, to try to reduce the appalling abortion rate in Australia.

    And I’d do it from the pro-choice angle, too. There is no good reason why anywhere between 80,000-100,000 women a year are having to climb up on the abortionist’s couch to maintain the status quo, when – if even conservative figures are correct – over half of them initially wanted to keep the baby and continue the pregnancy. That’s around 50,000 women every year who are having a termination when it’s not their choice and they are not sure. It’s someone else’s choice, such as their partner’s, or their parents’, or their employer’s, or the bank’s, or their best friend’s choice. The pressure applied in publicly funded clinics is also incredible, and you have to know women who have gone through it to believe this, because the official line is that the clinics are Your Only Friend In This Terrible Time.

    Once again, the cliches are the exact reversal of the truth. No prolifers shout at these women and abuse them on the way into the clinic – instead, they are shouted at, threatened, photographed, and have cars driven at them on to the pavement.

    No prolife organisation bullies women into keeping an unwanted pregnancy – they are the ones who actually give a woman time and space and a respectful listening ear so that she can worko ut what SHE wants to do. This is because they are not for profit organisations who have no vested interests and financial gain from a woman choosing to continue a pregnancy. In fact, it’s the opposit – if she continues the pregnancy, she will be a drain on their resources, and a very welcome one too!

    I’d also back the proposal to ensure that sex-based abortions are not paid for by Medicare. I can’t think of anything less fair to the most vulnerable of our citizens.

  48. Empire Strikes Back

    It’s one thing to appoint a moderate critic of an organisation in the hope of internal reform; it’s another thing to appoint a critic from an organisation that wants a government body abolished to that body.

    It is absurd.

    Interesting angle sfb. How do reconcile Labor cabinets appointing avowed republicans as Governors-General?

  49. Andrew Bolt is probably considering the offer to head the ABC as we speak.

    Now that would be worth seeing. Talk about wailing and gnashing of teeth.

  50. 2dogs

    This will backfire.

    I presume this statement pertains to the anti-bikie laws?

    Possibly.

  51. Rabz

    Why does the semenblogger (an aged white male and alleged Catholic) feel the need to comment on abortion anyway?

    I thought men had no right to comment on the topic? Oh, wait, it’s OK because he’s a raving leftist filthbag.

    Great takedown BTW, Philippa.

  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Well done Tim. Little chance of you going native there, though it could happen with a lesser man (or female person, natch). When are their terms up so we can get you more support from within that tent before closing it down? It can’t be left for some incoming Liars Government to repopulate.

  53. Gab

    I hear they want someone independent to do a review of Medicare funding for abortion.

    Every thread the loony sfb introduces abortion.

    htf is abortion pertinent to this thread?

  54. .

    It’s one thing to appoint a moderate critic of an organisation in the hope of internal reform; it’s another thing to appoint a critic from an organisation that wants a government body abolished to that body.

    Criticise as long as you go along with us…

    as the famous French engraving notes “You are free to speak”…

  55. C.L.

    On second thoughts …

    You know … this is bullshit.

    We’ve been duped by the Liberals again.

    Just ABOLISH it.

  56. Ant

    It’s excellent news and well done, Tim.

    I hope he’s more effective on the HRC board than Janet Albrechtson was on the ABC board (no criticism intended there towards JA. It’s hard sweeten a pot of manure when the others are inundating it with crap).

  57. As someone said at the Guardian:

    Makes the Lib/Nat hysteria about Barrie Cassidy even more laughable.

  58. Mr Rusty

    Brilliant news, if not more for the fact that the Libs seem to finally have understood that the best way to crush the neo-Comm scum is to adopt their tactics.
    I do hope, however, that Tim is the last Head of the HRC.

  59. Fisky

    Hahahahahahahaha! Eat shit Leftists1!11!!

  60. JC

    steve from brisbane
    #1114048, posted on December 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    As someone said at the Guardian:

    Makes the Lib/Nat hysteria about Barrie Cassidy even more laughable.

    Lol…

  61. will

    Tim Wilson has been appointed as Australia’s newest Human Rights Commissioner, while resigning from his role at the IPA and membership with the Liberal Party.

    I would fear for Tim’s financial health, being amongst that nest of vipers.

    The personal lawsuits will fly thick and fast.

  62. Brandis and his hypocrisy, in his own words:

    ”Appointees must be people who can command the confidence of the entire community that they will discharge their responsibilities in the human rights field in a non-partisan manner,” Senator Brandis told the newspaper, adding Dr Soutphommasane’s appointment was part of a push to drive the debate on human rights issues towards the left.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-brandis-appoints-ipas-tim-wilson-to-human-rights-commission-20131217-2zi5z.html#ixzz2nhKOC9VZ

    As I said, absurd.

  63. C.L.

    Soutphommasane joined the Australian Labor Party in 1998, aged 15. He later worked on the speechwriting staff of then New South Wales Premier Bob Carr, and in late 2007 he returned from Oxford to work in the office of Kevin Rudd during that year’s federal election campaign.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Soutphommasane

  64. dover_beach

    Well, short of its abolition, an fine appointment.

  65. Every thread the loony sfb introduces abortion.

    htf is abortion pertinent to this thread?

    It’s always pertinent in sfb’s world, for reasons he has not chosen to share with us. I don’t inquire.

    But I also try not to miss an opportunity to go in to bat on the subject, and I’m quite open about the reasons why. I know too many women and girls who have been badly damaged by this to keep quiet about it any more. And I’m hugely, hugely grateful I haven’t been through this mill myself.

  66. On second thoughts …

    You know … this is bullshit.

    We’ve been duped by the Liberals again.

    Just ABOLISH it.

    I kiss you on both cheeks in the approved Gallic manner. Felicitations, mon ami.

    (The cheeks on your face, by the way, just before the conversation drifts any further away from the respectable.)

  67. Soutphommasane joined the Australian Labor Party in 1998, aged 15. He later worked on the speechwriting staff of then New South Wales Premier Bob Carr, and in late 2007 he returned from Oxford to work in the office of Kevin Rudd during that year’s federal election campaign.

    Because shut up, CL. It’s different when they do it.

    Tim Soutphommasane is clearly an unbiased, balanced and objective contributor to an important national debate.

  68. blogstrop

    SfB – as the kid on the Simpsons says (with a falling infelction): haar,haar!
    Lots more of this to come, so suck it up, Mr. Creepy.

  69. Empire Strikes Back

    Great to see Steve going full retard on the Wilson appointment. Clearly it hurts. I look forward to more of this sort of thing.

    Who knows, maybe some day the AHRC will bring down the FWA because it impinges the right to work. Now that would be blockbuster entertainment on an unprecedented scale.

  70. twostix

    COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy is under fire for appointing a Labor mate to a $450,000-a-year job under a “corrupted process.”

    Senator Conroy confirmed yesterday that he suggested a former Labor staffer Mike Kaiser for the government affairs job with the National Broadband Network Co – which will build and operate the $43 billion network – after quitting as the Premier of Queensland’s chief of staff last year.

    Eat shit leftists.

  71. Gab

    Great to see Steve going full retard on the Wilson appointment. Clearly it hurts. I look forward to more of this sort of thing.

    hehehe! Hence his abortion distraction.

  72. Steve of Glasshouse

    Sof B..cognitive dissonance T shirt wearer at the cat. Re your comments on the unsuitability of Tim Wilson to be appointed as a commissioner; run that comment in your hamster wheel of brain with the word climate change advocates thrown in the mix. They are all eminently suitable for those jobs based on previous CV’s ay..

  73. Gab

    Jobs for the boys, you say?

    Here’s a small list of Labor’s jobs for the boys. Only 36 of them.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/jobs-given-to-labor-mates/story-e6frfkp9-1226625049183

  74. Gab

    And let’s not forget these:

    At the same time, former Labor Victorian premiers John Brumby and Steve Bracks have been touted as candidates for one of Australia’s high-profile overseas posts, Consul-General in New York. The plum role comes with an annual base salary of around $250,000 and luxurious living conditions in a $25 million apartment on the East River.

    A large number of former State MPs wiped out in the most recent NSW and Queensland elections have received generous appointments to Commonwealth boards, including former NSW Minister Verity Firth, ex-Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, ex-West Australian Premier Geoff Gallop and one-time Deputy Victorian Premier John Thwaites.

  75. Craig Mc

    As someone said at the Guardian:

    Perfect. The appointment is a success already.

  76. It’s always pertinent in sfb’s world, for reasons he has not chosen to share with us. I don’t inquire.

    Philippa, enquire away. I have not had anyone I know, either intimately or otherwise, who has had an abortion (that I know of). That’s for the snide attempt at suggesting it, though.

    The topic is one that has been frequently brought up in threads at this blog in completely irrelevant circumstances for years. Who can forget Grigory’s poster linking campaign on the topic that was tolerated here?

    The point of raising it today was simply to give an example of something inappropriate – and that’s the idea of linking you to a review of abortion policy, when everyone knows you are completely partisan on the topic.

  77. Correction: Thanks for the snide attempt at suggesting it, though.

  78. Gab

    Yes, yes you think abortion is just wonderful sfb, we know – not that you’re partisan about it or anything *chortle*

    meanwhile, back to the topic:

    Emma Webb ‏@emmwebb 2h

    I am going to yell. I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE BRANDIS HAS APPOINTED TIM WILSON AS HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONER.

    Ahahahahahahaha. I love it when they get upset it means Abbott is doing the right thing.

  79. Gab

    And now a word from Our Man in the HRC:

    Tim Wilson ‏@timwilsoncomau 7m

    To those who have welcomed my appointment, I give thanks. To those that have not, I welcome the chance to defend your free speech.

  80. Fisky

    Steve predicted the Coalition would back down on Section 18C.

    Steve from brisbane
    #301287, posted on September 29, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    Meh. Brandis doesn’t write Coalition policy. I bet this get changed to (at most) a “review” of the section, and they avoid talking about it during the election campaign.

  81. Look you bunch of morons: either you play the game or you don’t.

    Either you say as a politician: “overtly political appointments are wrong and shouldn’t be done” and then you don’t do them.

    Or you say: “it is time we evened up the overtly political appointments” and you make your own as soon as you can.

    What you don’t do is what Brandis has done, and not expect to be criticised for the hypocrisy.

    But people here are continually acting in completely hypocritical fashion – condemning the rabid Left for the language of their attacks, while using exactly the same level of language, exaggeration and hyperbole which they find so offensive on the Left.

  82. Gab

    Ooooh, SFB is vewy, vewy angwy.

    LOL.

  83. C.L.

    I happily kiss your cheeks too, Philippa.

  84. C.L.

    Tim Wilson isn’t a member of the Liberal Party.

  85. C.L.

    But people here are continually acting in completely hypocritical fashion – condemning the rabid Left for the language of their attacks, while using exactly the same level of language, exaggeration and hyperbole which they find so offensive on the Left.

    Notice what Steve did there?

    Spoke about the “rabid left” as if he wasn’t a card-carrying member of it.

  86. Fisky

    How does it feel, Steve? Carbon tax is done in six months, Abbott leads developed nation derailment of climate conference, 18C dead in the water and awaiting repeal, Tim Wilson appointed Freedom Commissioner.

    Only three more years to go!

  87. Fisky

    What you don’t do is what Brandis has done, and not expect to be criticised for the hypocrisy.

    What hypocrisy? Brandis is acting on consistent principle. It’s unacceptable to make Left-wing appointments, but always right to make non-Leftist appointments. This is because of the qualitative differences between the ideologies – Leftism is wrong about every single issue and not to be listened to.

  88. Mr Rusty

    To those who have welcomed my appointment, I give thanks. To those that have not, I welcome the chance to defend your free speech.

    He’s a legend already and he probably hasn’t even stepped into his new office yet.

    Keep the lefty Twitter brain farts coming please, I’m loving this!

  89. C.L.

    It’s unacceptable to make Left-wing appointments…

    Exactly.

    In the same way, there are no ‘good’ Nazi appointments.

  90. Rabz

    Only three twelve more years (at least) to go!

    Fixed.

  91. The other thing I have long found remarkable about Tim Wilson is that he appears to not think it worth his time to attack the routinely demeaning commentary on homosexuality that appear in this blog’s threads.

    Similarly for Sinclair – a friend (I presume) of Wilson’s – he made the rare intervention the other day to say to someone that calling homosexuals “deviants” was unnecessary.

    What’s it take for people from the IPA to actually use their beloved freedom of speech, for which they think they are Shining Knights Fighting the Good War against the Evil Forces of Free Speech Slavery (and send us more money please!) to tell people in a public forum like this that they are being asshats on the topic?

  92. JC

    In the immortal words of Abe Lincoln in his Gettysburg adrdress

    Fuck off stepford. Libs are in power and they will decide appointments.

  93. C.L.

    Mmm. Mmm.

    Good point, Steve.

    Wilson must prove his commitment to free speech by censuring Catallaxy forums.

    LOL.

  94. dover_beach

    The point of raising it today was simply to give an example of something inappropriate – and that’s the idea of linking you to a review of abortion policy, when everyone knows you are completely partisan on the topic.

    Aha! Only now can I completely understand the UN’s appointments to the UNHRC. They are appointing countries – to chair committees – that are completely indifferent to human rights.

  95. No, CL.

    Wilson is like the women who comment here and let people like you say absurd things like you did the other day about women being best kept out of politics.

    They believe in free speech, but never bother using it to good purpose – like telling you you’re a jackass throwback to the 19th Century.

  96. boy on a bike

    “You change the government, you change the country”.

  97. Sinclair Davidson

    Wilson is like the women who comment here …

    Keep digging.

  98. Tom

    Ooooh, SFB is vewy, vewy angwy.

    Made my day.

    XXX

  99. Fisky

    I can’t wait until 18C is repealed. I have a long list of ethnic groups I intend to abuse on the very day it receives royal assent. And it will be totally LEGAL. Steve will be able to do nothing but splutter!

  100. Rococo Liberal

    Steve, give it up, fella. You are disobeying the first rule of holes.

  101. Gab

    They believe in free speech, but never bother using it to good purpose – like telling you you’re a jackass throwback to the 19th Century.

    Ahahahahaha. SFB believes CL is the government. Priceless. Lefties still have no understanding about free speech.

  102. Infidel Tiger

    Wilson is like the women who comment here

    He thinks your a cardigan wearing ninny?

  103. I welcome Dunlop’s appointment. He seems like a capable fellow.

    Hopefully he won’t fall victim to the terrible malaise affecting the rest of the government.

  104. dover_beach

    throwback to the 19th Century

    Yes! CL has commandeered a Delorean. Lucky fellow. Onward to the 12th C. Make haste!

  105. Denise

    To Philippa

    I recommend the book Giving Sorrow Words by Melinda Tankard Reist. She has some other interesting titles too.

    When we protested outside an abortion clinic, we kept it small and non-threatening – 2 men, 2 women – but we were amazed at how many hard-faced harridans ( probably feminists demanding lots of TLC from the patriarchy) were forcing their daughters to have abortions. And husbands and boyfriends also. Saw some real grief-stricken but powerless teenaged girls.

    As we were menaced by the staff and not allowed to approach anyone, we played ‘Jesus loves the little children’ on a trumpet outside, hoping that that would soften the hearts of someone. We were delighted when one couple changed their mind. I think it matters to that one child.

    A church group in Wisconsin closed down an abortion clinic attached to a hospital by a quiet, nonviolent, relentless campaign. Just volunteers manning the barricades with signs.

    We need also to persevere. After all within a few generations we’ll be demographically superior. The current problem with the loss of the youth to provide for the Baby Boomers’ aged care is a judgment on the BB. They aborted a generation for socio-economic purposes and this is where they will be judged.

    I know also of women who become teary on the ‘birthday’ of their aborted babies, decades later. A very sad situation.

  106. Fisky

    The other thing I have long found remarkable about Tim Wilson is that he appears to not think it worth his time to attack the routinely demeaning commentary on homosexuality that appear in this blog’s threads.

    You’re complaining that a prominent media commentator doesn’t pay enough attention to internet trolls??? What a weird man you are.

  107. I have dug no hole, unless you are silly enough to suggest I was drawing a comparison between Wilson and women per se.

  108. Gab

    I have dug no hole,

    Why is there an echo when SFB speaks?

  109. Fisky

    No, you did actually Steve, calling a gay man a “woman”. Truly. What a disgusting bigot.

  110. Look you bunch of morons: either you play the game or you don’t.

    Oh, my.

    Or should that be LOL …

  111. Sinclair Davidson

    Yep – we’re all appalled at your lack of form. Just not good enough Steve. If only there was a law to prevent that sort of bigotry … :)

  112. Tom

    Wilson is like the women who comment here

    Brandis is a genius. So many headless classics for the remembery here today.

  113. Gab

    Eliza Cussen ‏@ElizaCussen 2h

    This is the guy who said “It’s not MY fault women have children” on QandA. Australian women should be worried about Tim Wilson’s appointment

    Priceless!

  114. Infidel Tiger

    I have dug no hole

    Lazy prick. Your wife is probably digging them while you sloth on the couch sticking photos of Abbott in your scrapbook.

  115. Mr Rusty

    The other thing I have long found remarkable about Tim Wilson is that he appears to not think it worth his time to attack the routinely demeaning commentary on homosexuality that appear in this blog’s threads.

    PRECISELY you dimwitted retard. You stupid, dumb, ignoramuses just cannot get FREE SPEECH through your thick, yet paradoxically empty, noggins can you?

  116. When we protested outside an abortion clinic, we kept it small and non-threatening – 2 men, 2 women – but we were amazed at how many hard-faced harridans ( probably feminists demanding lots of TLC from the patriarchy) were forcing their daughters to have abortions. And husbands and boyfriends also. Saw some real grief-stricken but powerless teenaged girls.

    Too true, Denise. Too true. I’ve seen it too. Young girls being bundled in and out of cars, crying like they’d done something wrong, so appallingly wrong that no amount of apologising would make it better. And that’s BEFORE the abortion. Because of course, the one crime in our incredibly tolerant and accepting society is having an unplanned pregnancy, isn’t it.

    That’s why I am glad to be a Patron of these guys and to give them a plug at every possible opportunity.

    Melinda Tankard Reist does amazing work, and so does Women’s Forum Australia.

  117. This is the guy who said “It’s not MY fault women have children” on QandA.

    You can say that again, God bless ‘im.

    Honestly, that’s a classic. It really is. Plenty of LOLs right there …

  118. YT

    Maybe sfb is a failed abortion?

  119. Gab

    Yes, Philippa and the same twit twittered that women in Australia have no right to abortions and apparently it’s Tim Wilson’s fault or something.

  120. Yes, obviously I’m the one who brings up abortion obsessively.

    Like CL who brought it up as a reason not to mourn Mandela.

    Like d-b, who brings us stories from Lifesitenews pretty regularly.

    At least Grigory seems to have retired from his poster making, because Abbott’s in charge of Medicare funding of abortion now. Having a Catholic in charge of the same policy makes all the difference, apparently.

    And now for Philippa – would you mind explaining whether you have a problem with sex education that includes detailed instruction on the use of contraception?

  121. Yes, Philippa and the same twit twittered that women in Australia have no right to abortions and apparently it’s Tim Wilson’s fault or something.

    I thought it was Tony Abbott’s fault. He goes out at night and blows up abortion clinics and then impregnates teenage girls.

    Only a Labor government can save us from the reactionary chauvinist pig that is Tony Abbott.

  122. Joden

    Congratulations Tim.
    At times you have been the only voice of reason on programs such as The Contrarians.
    Well done and good luck in your new appointment.

  123. twostix

    Geez, Steve, chap, you’re not going to handle the next 9 years well are you?

  124. School based sex education, I meant. And in Catholic and State schools.

  125. JC

    Sinc

    Stepford is flipping out. Time for a ban I reckon.

  126. jupes

    Tim Soutphommasane is clearly an unbiased, balanced and objective contributor to an important national debate.

    Exactly and hence he also has a gig on the ABC.

  127. dover_beach

    And now for Philippa – would you mind explaining whether you have a problem with sex education that includes detailed instruction on the use of contraception?

    One of sfb’s other obsessions.

  128. And now for Philippa – would you mind explaining whether you have a problem with sex education that includes detailed instruction on the use of contraception?

    In Catholic schools, yes. In Catholic agencies, yes. In Catholic churches, yes. This includes the consent of silence on the subject. I think if you’re on the Catholic payroll, you should play by the rules. If you can’t, get a job somewhere else; there are plenty of other places that won’t put any limitations on what you do or say. No one is forcing you to work for a Catholic agency.

    I don’t care what anyone else does with their spare time or money. I don’t like paying for abortions with my tax money; nor supporting FPA. But there are a lot of things I don’t like paying for with my tax money. There is at present very little I can do about this.

    However, I’d like to see some really honest education on contraception in the places where it’s acutally propagated. For example, contraception doesn’t stop abortion. Chemical contraception induces abortions, whether as a morning after pill or as the regular Pill.

    We have a huge number of surgical abortions every year precisely because there is no such thing as a 100% effective contraceptive. When you lie to women and tell them that contraception works, you lull them into a false sense of security, and then whoops! it turns out that doing the one thing designed by nature to get you pregnant, actually does.
    As I have told my students: if you’re doing the one thing that gets you pregnant, don’t ever be surprised when that what ends up happening.

  129. One of sfb’s other obsessions.

    I know, pet, but it’s Christmas, so I’m indulging him just this once.

  130. twostix

    And now for Philippa – would you mind explaining whether you have a problem with sex education that includes detailed instruction on the use of contraception?

    Hoy shit steve’s gone over the edge again. And what sent him over the edge? A single appointment.

    Really weird stuff.

  131. harrys on the boat

    Shitfers having a break down, but with his incoherent rambling, I’m not sure what about.

  132. C.L.

    CL has commandeered a Delorean.

    Great Scott!

  133. C.L.

    Steve running sex, Catholic, abortion distraction trifecta.

    Mrs Santorum to be brought up any moment…

  134. Pickles

    Saw Wilson speak at Rockhampton a couple of years ago. Seemed very good on property rights.

  135. Token

    Steve running sex, Catholic, abortion distraction trifecta.

    Did you see how he decided he would re-classify himself from goyim to one of the chosen people this morning?

  136. Philippa, so you’re out on in front of abortion clinics trying to be helpful teenage girls, while also against school girls (be they Catholic or not) being educated at their Catholic school on the effective use of contraception? Even contraception which clearly works by preventing conception?

    I don’t think I have to draw the dots as to why I consider your position to be a case of ideology trumping practicalities with dire consequences.

  137. No, let’s be blunt. I actually have contempt for your position.

  138. Makka

    “No, let’s be blunt. I actually have contempt for your position.”

    Still nowhere near how people feel about yours.

  139. twostix

    while also against school girls (be they Catholic or not) being educated at their Catholic school on th

    Steve: who is Witch Finder General #1 concerning sexual abuse in catholic schools demands, demands that male catholic school teachers sit down with their students and have a chat about their sex lives, make them play with condoms, and enjoy some pron in the class room.

  140. Philippa, so you’re out on in front of abortion clinics trying to be helpful teenage girls, while also against school girls (be they Catholic or not) being educated at their Catholic school on the effective use of contraception? Even contraception which clearly works by preventing conception?

    Slowly now -

    Contraception. Isn’t. 100%. Effective.

    Having. Sex. Makes. Babies.

    Ask your GP if you don’t believe me. There are also some excellent textbooks on the subject.

    I know of couples who have conceived after ‘sterilisation’, on the Pill, and with IUDs in place and with condoms. So do many other people; we can probably all swap stories of the ‘unplanned’ pregnancy that just had to happen, regardless of everyone’s attempts to prevent it.

    Teenage girls who believe the lies told them about contraception, and become pregnant, should not be further punished with abortions. They haven’t actually done anything wrong. They’ve just believed lies that they were told. Certainly their baby should not be punished for being conceived accidentally by being sucked out of the womb into a glass vacuum receptacle, sliced to pieces on the way. I fail entirely to see what the baby has done wrong in this situation, apart from be inconvenient to other people.

    These girls and women will also be told a lot more lies, such as ‘It’s a clump of cells’, and ‘it’s over in a moment’ and ‘you will be able to go back to life just as it was before’ and ‘all your problems will be over’ and ‘it won’t even hurt much’.

    Telling young women and young men that – given the havoc that they will be wreaking with their developing bodies by chemically attempting to sterilise themselves, and then routinely exposing themselves to the perils of STDs (condoms don’t stop many of them, and in most cases they only slow things down) and unplanned pregnancy – they should wait until they are in a thoroughly committed relationship (of which marriage is the only form that really counts) is no crime.

    In fact, it’s a public service. It would save many young people from future lives of misery, degradation and self-harm. It would also have, in this day and age, the charm of novelty.

  141. Fisky

    Steve, who uses 1980s gay-bashing epithets against Tim Wilson, says he has ‘contempt’ for someone’s opinions. Can you bear it?

  142. No, let’s be blunt. I actually have contempt for your position.

    No, you don’t understand my position. You don’t see that contraception doesn’t work 100% of the time, and you also don’t understand how degrading and dehumanising abortion is in real life.

    I, on the other hand, understand your position completely. Abortion is, and always has been, a quintessentially male solution. The ‘problem’ it solves is actually no problem at all. Women become pregnant; it’s what we’re designed to do by nature. It only becomes a problem when other people construct it as a major disaster.

    Eighteenth and nineteenth century feminists envisaged a future world where all pregnancies would be welcomed, regardless of the circumstances. I agree with them, and not with their late 20th century successors, who embraced this quintessentially male solution – and so many others – as the new ideal for a liberated woman.

  143. Contraception. Isn’t. 100%. Effective.

    Having. Sex. Makes. Babies.

    Philippa: I am entirely happy with that being part of sex education. I certainly intend emphasising that with my own children.

    What I am not happy about – and this has been shown repeatedly – that sex education based on abstinence only (which is what your position is) results in more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions.

    Your attitude to sex education works against your interest in seeing fewer abortions.

    This “Catholic problem” in the pro Life movement has been around for decades (it came up at a Right to Life meeting I went to). It’s pretty tragic that an intelligent woman still lets ideology overcome common sense.

  144. Tom

    Australia ends four back years and wins back the Ashes 101 days after Tony Abbott’s ascension to the prime ministership.

  145. JC

    I know of couples who have conceived after ‘sterilisation’, on the Pill, and with IUDs in place and with condoms.

    All at the same time? Must be the second coming. No pun intended.

  146. .

    What I am not happy about – and this has been shown repeatedly – that sex education based on abstinence only (which is what your position is) results in more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions.

    JW Parsons made the same point nearly 70 years ago in Freedom is a Two Edged Sword.

    Wow. Steve makes one halfway valid point, I partially agree.

    The upshot is that it has taken you half a decade of trolling to make one observation.

    You are more useless than reality TV, Steve from Brisbane.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Philippa: I am entirely happy with that being part of sex education. I certainly intend emphasising that with my own children.

    What I am not happy about – and this has been shown repeatedly – that sex education based on abstinence only (which is what your position is) results in more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions.

    Tell your kids never to root anyone they aren’t prepared to have a sprog with.

  148. C.L.

    Philippa/others, how many times do we have to go through this?

    Steve has deliberately and successfully baited you.

    He’s extremely angry about Wilson – because he’s a left-wing extremist.

  149. Philippa: I am entirely happy with that being part of sex education. I certainly intend emphasising that with my own children.

    So it’s OK for your kids, but not for anyone else’s?

    What I am not happy about – and this has been shown repeatedly – that sex education based on abstinence only (which is what your position is) results in more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions.

    It certainly doesn’t work in an otherwise values-free setting. So if you take a modern kid at a state high school and try and teach them abstinence, you are competing against a huge amount of porn and other messages coming from precisely the opposite direction – from advertising, mostly – that make it very difficult. It’s not a one-solution problem.

    The truth absolutely must be told to them, however, about contraceptive failure rates – the real truth, not the drug-company line, and not the FPA line. Namely: having sex makes babies, and that’s what nature designed it to do, and you take on this impressive force – which ensures the continuity of the entire species – at your own risk. You run a serious risk of being outsmarted by your own biology.

    Your attitude to sex education works against your interest in seeing fewer abortions.

    No it doesn’t. You are assuming that all unplanned pregnancies caused by contraceptive failure can and must end in abortion. I’m arguing exactly the opposite, and saying that a girl should not be lied to about her risk of pregnancy in the first place, and then she shouldn’t be lied to about her ‘need’ for an abortion once she ‘s pregnant.

    This “Catholic problem” in the pro Life movement has been around for decades (it came up at a Right to Life meeting I went to).

    I can’t imagine that you were there for any other reason than to stir up as much trouble as you could manage, which is rather shaming, given that I had thought until now that your trolling was limited to this blog.

    It’s pretty tragic that an intelligent woman still lets ideology overcome common sense.

    I will accept the compliment, but I still feel sorry for you.

  150. Philippa/others, how many times do we have to go through this?

    Steve has deliberately and successfully baited you.

    He’s extremely angry about Wilson – because he’s a left-wing extremist.

    I know. He’s utterly furious, and so he rushes to the one thing he thinks he knows about, and starts rattling on. I’m expecting flasks of embryos at any minute.

    But he’s not doing anyone any harm, and anyway, haters gotta hate, so maybe it’s better he gets it out of his system this way and not on his immediate nearest and dearest.

    And who knows – some other poor mug may be reading this and beginning – just beginning – to rethink his/her own party line on the subject.

  151. Tell your kids never to root anyone they aren’t prepared to have a sprog with.

    That’s marvellous advice, IT. I am proud to have you as my Mum.

  152. egg_

    He’s extremely angry about Wilson – because he’s a left-wing extremist.

    Blundered in for a rope-a-dope?

  153. Steve of Glasshouse

    Tell your kids never to root anyone they aren’t prepared to have a sprog with.

    That’s marvellous advice, IT. I am proud to have you as my Mum.

    Followed by “don’t make anything and don’t catch anything”

  154. Steve of Glasshouse

    Oy Steve..piss off behind the toilet shed will you

  155. Oh come on

    The other thing I have long found remarkable about Tim Wilson is that he appears to not think it worth his time to attack the routinely demeaning commentary on homosexuality that appear in this blog’s threads.

    hmm.Yairs. Yairs.

    In addition, I find it remarkable that Martha Stewart appears not to think it worth her time to attack the routinely ghastly and tasteless home improvements and crass interior decors found at the ‘MyDIY’ blog.

  156. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    I love shitfer’s wail of pain:

    But people here are continually acting in completely hypocritical fashion – condemning the rabid Left for the language of their attacks, while using exactly the same level of language, exaggeration and hyperbole which they find so offensive on the Left.

    Shorter shitfer - you are using my sides standard tactics against us! Hypocrites! You must hold yourselves to a higher standard than us so we can undermine you!
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

    Shitfer’s wailing and crying – who ya gonna call?

  157. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Philippa Martyr
    #1114312, posted on December 17, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Bravo.

    Very well said.

  158. I can’t imagine that you were there for any other reason than to stir up as much trouble as you could manage, which is rather shaming, given that I had thought until now that your trolling was limited to this blog.

    That’s because of your limited imagination, Philippa.

    I can’t recall much about why I went to the public meeting – it was at least 30 years ago – but I went out of genuine interest as a potential supporter.

    I could see that it was hopeless, however, when dissent at the meeting broke out between those (Protestant, I assumed) pro-Lifers who made the observation that if the movement was going to be associated with Catholic anti-contraception views, it was always going to have limited public support; and the conservative Catholics in the audience who rallied against the “contraception mentality” that was really at the heart of the abortion problem (allegedly.)

    Guess which side I agreed with more?

  159. By the way, I just noticed this:

    Telling young women and young men that – given the havoc that they will be wreaking with their developing bodies by chemically attempting to sterilise themselves, and then routinely exposing themselves to the perils of STDs (condoms don’t stop many of them, and in most cases they only slow things down)

    You’re being quite the drama queen on contraception.

    Don’t get me wrong – as I made it clear before, I do not want to encourage teenagers to be having sex at all.

    But going in for the overkill on the dangers of sex along the lines of “even condoms or the Pill won’t help you! It’ll be a disaster waiting to happen” means you are going to lose credibility in sex education.

    I bet this is exactly what happens in Catholic High Schools anyway, but particularly so if you had a teacher like you trying to follow your script.

  160. JC

    Sinc

    Stepford is flipping out. He’s abusing women and derailing threads.

  161. Oh come on

    The other thing I have long found remarkable about Tim Wilson is that he appears to not think it worth his time to attack the routinely demeaning commentary on homosexuality that appear in this blog’s threads.

    This is just so weird. Reminds me of…well, cast your mind back to the hilarious dying days of the Webdiary ‘citizen journalist’ experiment. One of Magrot’s most prominent citizen journalists accosted Mark Latham after a chance meeting in the street to commiserate his recent election loss and generally tell him what an all-round great guy he was. The ‘citizen journalist’ (whose name eludes me, funnily enough) introduced himself; “Hi Mark, I’m so-and-so from Webdiary” and was rather taken aback when Mark Latham responded with “What’s Webdiary?”

    I wonder if Steve from Brisbane was that intrepid citizen-journalist? He seems to share a very similar perspective.

  162. Guess which side I agreed with more?

    The Protestant one, of course. No difficulty there. As far as I can see, that’s been your take on things on this blog from time immemorial.

    You’re being quite the drama queen on contraception.

    LOL

    Spoken like a man who’s never had a Pill-induced migraine, or bloating, or depression, or breakthrough bleeding, or varicose veins. Or a stroke, for that matter.

    But going in for the overkill on the dangers of sex along the lines of “even condoms or the Pill won’t help you! It’ll be a disaster waiting to happen” means you are going to lose credibility in sex education.

    Get back to me on that one in about five years’ time, when your kids are a bit older.

    I bet this is exactly what happens in Catholic High Schools anyway, but particularly so if you had a teacher like you trying to follow your script.

    Once again, spoken like someone who’s never had a kid in a Catholic school in recent years …

  163. Stepford is flipping out. He’s abusing women and derailing threads.

    Oh JC, for him to be abusing women, I’d have to be taking him seriously. So he’s not abusing women at all. He’s just demonstrating – again – his invincible ignorance on certain topics.

    Sadly, they are topics on which he likes to hold forth, eg. the lived experience of women, what it’s like to use chemical contraception on a daily basis, etc.

    Steve seems to think he can speak for us in some way on these topics. A trifle mystifying, but there you have it.

  164. C.L.

    Sinclair, if discussing abortion and contraception on a thread like this doesn’t result in sin-binning, I don’t what ever will. This is beyond preposterous.

  165. CL: I gave the example of an equivalent absurd appointment as being you given the job to head HIV education (to the gay community in particular.) This did not result in a lengthy essay from you about what you would indeed do in that theoretical role.

    Philippa took the opportunity to espouse at length on her anti abortion views. This resulted in some further discussion.

    Don’t blame me for Philippa inviting the discussion. I didn’t ask her to.

  166. JC

    Whack him Sinc, at least well into the new year. He’s become insufferable …. again.

  167. Don’t blame me for Philippa inviting the discussion. I didn’t ask her to.

    Let’s view the tape, shall we?

    Philippa, I hear they want someone independent to do a review of Medicare funding for abortion.

    And now for Philippa – would you mind explaining whether you have a problem with sex education that includes detailed instruction on the use of contraception?

    I’m only too happy to respond to this kind of invitation, because it gives me an opportunity to show Steve just how very little he really does know about women, abortion and contraception.

    A full bottle on the theory, doubtless, but very light on actual lived experience.

  168. CL: I gave the example of an equivalent absurd appointment as being you given the job to head HIV education (to the gay community in particular.) This did not result in a lengthy essay from you about what you would indeed do in that theoretical role.

    CL, I think you’d do a brilliant job.

    You’d be very unpopular, but I think you’d really challenge some accepted paradigms and some – shall we say – narrow-minded attitudes which have crept into the gay community of late.

    And it’s all about questioning everything, isn’t it. And after all, they have no right to impose their morality on you, do they.

  169. to espouse at length on her anti abortion views

    And just while I’m still here:

    In the English language we don’t espouse on things, regardless of what your lived experience in this area may have been …

    To espouse a viewpoint is to make it one’s own.

    I may have declaimed at length on my antiabortion – actually I prefer the term ‘pro-life and pro-choice’ – views.

    I may have held forth on my views. I may have espoused these views. But I didn’t espouse on them.

    You’re welcome.

    Goodnight.

  170. Philippa, obviously, my first rhetorical question did not require your response.

    Yes, I then engaged in discussion. Which has been interesting, to me. Your lesson on how a “modern” Catholic women who wants to encourage teenagers to live like it’s 1950 uses the “catastrophising contraception” technique has been enlightening.

  171. Yes, I then engaged in discussion.

    No Steve, you didn’t. You engaged in what you seem to think is discussion, but is a very long way from it, and it’s the kind of stuff I used to have on toast when I was a uni student arguing in the coffee shop. It’s not very convincing, and not very impressive.

    What matters to me now is not what you think, because I know that, and you won’t change your views until some of these issues actually come up and bite you personally on the leg one day.

    What matters to me is that other people who read what I say – and who are less ignorant than you, and have actually come across some of these situations in real life – might just stop and think twice about the lies they’ve been fed since birth on the merits and infallibility of contraception, and the mandatory nature of abortion in any and all problematic circumstances.

    And now I’ve indulged you enough.

  172. Pat Warnock

    Tom, not only the Ashes but international sporting teams have shaken off their malaise as well. Change from everyone’s a winner to actually winning.

  173. wreckage

    Are you calling SfB a Protestant? We don’t want the bastard. Take him back.

  174. R.B.

    Tim Wilson, defender of free speech, rides the HRC gravy train.
    Tim Wilson of the right wing thinktank the IPA waffles on our free speech. The IPA would have
    the HRC closed in an instant if they had their way.
    Meanwhile, at a kneesup at the IPA earlier this year he and another defender of abuse and
    defamation, Andrew Bolt lionise the wealthiest person in Australia Gina Rinehart.
    At the time Rinehart was pursuing legal action against two journalists , Steve Pennells and Adele Ferguson
    to force them to reveal confidential sources of information involved in the ugly spat with her children.
    Ask any journo if this is an abuse of free speech.
    Hypocrisy shown by right wing defenders of ” free speech” is breathtaking in this instance.

    [I have moved this comment from another thread to here where it is better placed. Sinc]

  175. Gab

    Tim Wilson, defender of free speech, rides the HRC gravy train. Tim Wilson of the right wing thinktank the IPA waffles on our free speech. The IPA would have the HRC closed in an instant if they had their way. Meanwhile, at a kneesup at the IPA earlier this year he and another defender of abuse and defamation, Andrew Bolt lionise the wealthiest person in Australia Gina Rinehart. At the time Rinehart was pursuing legal action against two journalists , Steve Pennells and Adele Ferguson to force them to reveal confidential sources of information involved in the ugly spat with her children. Ask any journo if this is an abuse of free speech. Hypocrisy shown by right wing defenders of ” free speech” is breathtaking in this instance.

    Going by that comment, clearly the first thing Wilson needs to do is educate Leftards about what free speech actually means. They still don’t understand it.

  176. Tom

    So we have another fucking knowall leftard troll using the owner’s identity. So which one of the banned identities are you, then?

  177. Sinclair Davidson

    No – that is actually me. I moved the comment from another thread by reversing it into my identity and then editing it back to his identity. Problem is my gravatar won’t change to reflect the edited identity. Probably a mechanism to avoid identity theft.

  178. Tom

    The fucktard troll acknowledges that the HRC is a gravy train. I feel we’re making progress.

  179. R.B.

    Classy responses from those with a different opinion.
    I guess that’s what free speech is about here, abuse and foul language.
    Stay classy Catallaxy!

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