One of these Americans is making the world a safer place

One of these

the other is a Mummy’s boy.

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125 Responses to One of these Americans is making the world a safer place

  1. Token

    I’m sure the post would be pithy…if it had a title :)

    [Fixed that. Damn technology. Not a user error at all. :) Sinc]

  2. JC

    Is that Stepford on the left.. in his younger days?

    Stepford the early years.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t get it.

  4. Robert Crew

    OK, so the guy on the left is the “Wear pajamas, drink hot chocolate, talk about getting health insurance” guy, the one who’s supposed to nag his relatives into supporting Obamacare at Thanksgiving, the other is “A U.S. Army Soldier patrols with Afghan soldiers to check on conditions in the village of Yawez in Wardak province, Afghanistan, Feb. 17, 2010″, so I assume the Mummies Boy is the one whose parents make him hot chocolate and let him wear his PJs all day.

  5. Gab

    Is that a young Andrew Leigh in pajamas??

  6. Bruce

    Ok, so neither voted for Obama. If they did they’d've been making the world a more dangerous place.

  7. John Comnenus

    T-Shirt in the German Post Exchange shop in Kandahar Airfield:

    ISAF – I Saw Americans Fight.

    God bless Australia and America’s military and save them from the insidious depredations of political correctness.

    Let the other guy drink his hot chocolate.

  8. Andrew of Randwick

    The one on the left is having breakfast before going to work to direct a precision drone strike from his air command base in Minnesota, and wipe out the second level of the Pakistan Taliban leadership.
    Whilst the one on the right has just accidentally obliterated the local school bus in a hell hole Afghan village and is now going to be charged, with a possible sentenced to life in prison – and really needs his Mum now.

  9. Rabz

    That thing on the left is a man?

  10. Is he the Upworthy chap on the left? Adam wassisname?

  11. Robert Blair

    I totally didn’t get – thanks Robert Crew.

    … maybe I need to broaden my daily reading … am I missing stuff?

  12. jupes

    God bless Australia and America’s military and save them from the insidious depredations of political correctness.

    God is certainly letting the team down in that department.

  13. thefrollickingmole

    The one on the left just screams “Hipster douche”, is that really meant to attract people to any position?

    Theres a cloud of smug over his head..

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hey, even if the bloke with the Kevlar helmet, the chest rig of ammo and the combat gun thingee IS a mummy’s boy, someone else can be the one who tells him to his face.

  15. Robert Crew

    … maybe I need to broaden my daily reading … am I missing stuff?

    Nah, I just split the image in two and ran the two photos through Google Image Search.

    I’d seen a lot of stupid ads for Obamacare online, but this one, encouraging the onesie-wearing loser to get his parents to buy him insurance, is pretty bad. Implied by the suggestion to badger your parents when you go home for the holidays, is the implication that his parents are paying for his college, room and board, and for his holidays, so why not his insurance too?

    The one on the right is relying on the largesse of the government to feed, clothe, protect and arm him (and his education and healthcare will be paid for life by the taxpayer when his tour ends), so I’m still not sure which is the mummie’s boy.

  16. Nanuestalker

    I assume that is a young Doomlord (with hair) on the left!

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    Doomlord would never wear pyjamas.

  18. Nanuestalker

    Not quite the denial needed … I believe it’s a onesie!

  19. Combine_Dave

    Doomlord prefers au naturel?

  20. Fleeced

    Did you mean Mummies boy? Or Mummy’s boy? Big difference…

    That said, am I supposed to know who either of them actually are?

    [Yes - good point. Sinc]

  21. boy on a bike

    To misquote PJ O’Rourke: if the bloke on the left is an internet millionaire and is paying loads of federal income tax, then he is doing heaps to support a strong military.

    For all we know, the bloke on the right might be a policeman in a school in Detroit.

  22. squawkbox

    Can someone versed in the mysteries of marketing tell me to whom that Obamacare ad was supposed to appeal? My only thought so far is that it must have been designed by a Tea party infiltrator to make Obamacare look even worse than it already does. Or possibly it is meant to appeal to women with overdeveloped maternal instincts.

  23. Harry Buttle

    John Comnenus
    #1115764, posted on December 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    T-Shirt in the German Post Exchange shop in Kandahar Airfield:
    ISAF – I Saw Americans Fight.

    Laugh at the Germans as much as you like John, but they were in both world wars before the Americans…

  24. Oh come on

    Quite so, Mr Buttle. Germany starts wars. America ends them.

  25. cynical1

    David Marr is not American..

  26. HK_Brother

    boy on a bike
    #1115832, posted on December 18, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    OT – but hipsters can become useful.


    That is an example of growing up and doing something with your life. US Army Special Forces is certainly a career to be proud of.


    The original thread in question is really simple…

    The one on the left is in perpetual adolescence. The moment you criticise what he does wrong, he will throw a tantrum and sulk. He lives a life of a protected self-esteem bubble. He will likely to be a Left-Progressive, Socialist, etc (Whatever the hell they call themselves these days). He will have no appreciation of his life and the world he grows up in. He will promote he is for helping the poor, but he will never experience it himself. His hands will be soft and his character will be weak and whiny…If he ever gets married, don’t be surprised his future wife will cheat on him and leave with his kids. (Women in the real world don’t like weak males. Its unattractive and boring.)

    The one on the right understands the responsibilities of being an adult. He has been disciplined to do a job. He will understand that the difference between Liberty and Tyranny is a generation away. When you work with a guy like that (I have), you know you can depend on him to get $hit done right. You know the dude has honour and integrity in his bones. You know he won’t flake out on you. You can certainly know he is not fond of Govt who lies to his face. He will likely be a Centre-Right or Libertarian if you ask about his political position. He will fight to the death for his principles and values.

    There is no question as to which male we want on our side.


    …On a side note:

    Democrats and a number of RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) are in favour of cutting pensions for veterans in Budget, instead of welfare for illegal immigrants. That goes to show who they really value more.

  27. Mark

    The whole Obama cult thing with helpful suggestions on talking points with family and friends not to mention the government sponsored film contest has gone from lol to weird to bizarre and now to damn frightening.

    They are truly starting to scare me.

    can’t be too long before a third term is sought.

  28. stackja

    Medal of Honor Recipients includes this:

    Murphy, Audie L. Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company B 15th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Holtzwihr France, 26 January 1945. Entered service at: Dallas, Tex. Birth: Hunt County, near Kingston, Tex. G.O. No.. 65, 9 August 1945. Citation 2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machinegun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy’s indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy’s objective.

  29. Oh come on

    Is that a tartan onesie he’s wearing?

    Dear god.

  30. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    The pyjama clad squealpansy on the left is the epitomy of the modern left.

    - 458kg heaver and gobbling doughnuts two-handed and it’s Monty

    - drooling and physically ravaged by excessive buttplug abuse and it’s shitfer

    - abusing melanin-enhanced folk by day and baying at the moon by night and it’s our pet racist bigot, Numbers.

  31. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    It strikes me that the low and vile nature of the modern left can be illustrated by Johnson’s quote that ‘Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.’

    A leftist is a creature which reads this, and cannot comprehend it at all.

    Such a creature is inherently vile and base.

  32. Paul

    I still don’t get it. Are we supposed to poke fun at the unmanly looking guy and worship Captain America there? Is there a twist to this that you’re keeping from us?

  33. james

    Yeah Paul. We kinda are.

    But only a feminized little beta boy with spaghetti arms and an obese “life partner” would need ask.

  34. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Oh FFS, Paul.

    Go here and see the Obamacare twitter ad. Notice the squealpansy.

  35. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    This is an excellent response.

    Hugo Hackenbush ‏@MangyLover 9h
    @BarackObama Words are simply inadequate to describe the spiral galaxy sized suck of that tweet. Yet I will persevere.

  36. .

    Paul
    #1115983, posted on December 18, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    I still don’t get it. Are we supposed to poke fun at the unmanly looking guy and worship Captain America there? Is there a twist to this that you’re keeping from us?

    You just did.

  37. .

    Lulz one of the twits quipped “Obama how much did you pay Rachel Maddow?”

  38. Paul

    Oh, I see. That wasn’t a good choice of pic was it.

  39. Bruce

    Uh oh. Guy on the left is never going to live that photo down:

    All natural birth control right here, ladies: pic.twitter.com/sWh1pEEuU5 #plaidbeta

    Twitchy apparently is having fun with this.

  40. Peter Ferguson

    All I have learn’t after 66 years is that solders do NOT make any place safer.

  41. Tom

    Twitchy apparently is having fun with this.

    My fave Twitter response imagining the beta’s thoughts:

    “My dad asked asked me to clean the gutters.
    My journal got an earful about gender stereotypes”.

  42. Yohan

    I hate the lefty progressive’s, obsessing about gay rights, gender equality and seeking to destroy our living standards with socialist AGW economic policies.

    But that doesn’t mean we have to worship military imperialism and the police state. I’m sorry that US soldier is not protecting anyone’s freedom.

  43. Spiro

    Josh Fox? Lighter of tap water?

  44. Toiling Mass

    Looking at the photo of the grinning fop, I can understand why that campaign where young ‘uns were encouraged to withhold sexual favours from those opposed to Obamacare…might have had less impact than they expected.

  45. But that doesn’t mean we have to worship military imperialism and the police state. I’m sorry that US soldier is not protecting anyone’s freedom.

    Dead right buster! Just imagine how much better life’d be in a country that decided a hundred years ago that they’d be all enlightened and not have any soldiers. Right on man!

  46. Leigh Lowe

    Mummy’s boy?
    It must be the one on the right.
    What mother would claim the one on the left?

  47. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Peter ferguson:

    All I have learn’t after 66 years is that solders do NOT make any place safer.

    Then you have not been paying attention to anything important in those 66 years, have you?

    Say such utter twaddle to the Solomon Islanders or East Timorese with care, they will disagree – forcefully.

  48. Paul

    “Dead right buster! Just imagine how much better life’d be in a country that decided a hundred years ago that they’d be all enlightened and not have any soldiers. Right on man!”

    Sometimes every issue looks like a nail when all you have in there is a hammer……

  49. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    SATP @ 9:37 – Bolt has shut down. So it’s the annual deluge of the concern trolls (and the barking mad) again.

    Can’t wait for Big Ted Turd to float in again.

  50. Motelier

    Mk50

    Not Unflushables older brother? Please

    All I want for Christmas is a Troll free Christmas.

  51. Motelier

    might have had less impact than they expected.

    No Breeding then there is no need for population control.

  52. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    “Dead right buster! Just imagine how much better life’d be in a country that decided a hundred years ago that they’d be all enlightened and not have any soldiers. Right on man!”

    Ooh yeah – just imagine how safe that would have kept us from General Hyakatuke’s Eighth Area Army in 1942!

    Why, the sheer force of Magic Moral Superiority™ would have kept Vice-Admiral Inouye’s South Seas Force away from all undefended ports and the Imperial Japanese Army would have shrunk in fear from our unarmed moral magnificence!

    Must go outside, formations of flying pink pigs are doing aerobatics….

    What is it with blithering idiots who know nothing about the world?

  53. Toiling Mass

    When Bolta takes a W.E.B. (thanks, Hendo) Blair employs mechanisms such as Troll Delay. Since trolls feed on the energy of people’s responses to their retarded missives he forces them to wait. They put out their bait but lose interest for having to wait for a response.

  54. cynical1

    How do you plan to spend the cold days of December?

    Meh, Nancy boy may be drinking hot chocolate in PJ’s.

    Not Obama, a $4mil Hawaii vacation in the sun.

    Chauncey Gardener ain’t got nothing on him..

  55. Motelier

    Blair employs mechanisms such as Troll Delay.

    Over here we do not have that luxurious tool.

    We do need a troll free Christmas this year.

  56. Yohan

    Why, the sheer force of Magic Moral Superiority™ would have kept Vice-Admiral Inouye’s South Seas Force away from all undefended ports and the Imperial Japanese Army would have shrunk in fear from our unarmed moral magnificence!

    Must go outside, formations of flying pink pigs are doing aerobatics….

    What is it with blithering idiots who know nothing about the world?

    Your a typical fuckwit who equates any useless war waged by the West as = good. And any deviation from such worship of war must of course be by a hippy who does not believe in defence.

    Explain to me how having our soldiers halfway across the world, on a barren rocky mountain shithole, fighting Afghan opium dealers and medieval goat herders (98% who have not even heard of 9/11), is somehow making us safer.

  57. Explain to me how having our soldiers halfway across the world, on a barren rocky mountain shithole, fighting Afghan opium dealers and medieval goat herders (98% who have not even heard of 9/11), is somehow making us safer.

    Wooo …. whoooo…. whoa bullick!

    Rewind that just a touch boyo.

    Merits of one particular mission aside, your statement was “soldiers don’t make the place any safer”.
    Are you now amending that to “Aussie soldiers kicking Taliban/Al-Queera arse don’t make the place any safer, but other soldiers on other missions are pretty comforting to have around”?

  58. cohenite

    All I have learn’t after 66 years is that solders do NOT make any place safer.

    learn’t?

    That is really stupid.

  59. learn’t?
    That is really stupid.

    You can’t possibly expect someone who demonstrates that degree of perception to learn two things in 66 years.

  60. Paridell

    I don’t know…

    This reminds me of another pair of side-by-side photos. On the left was Don Adams as Maxwell Smart talking into his shoe-phone. On the right was John Wayne as Sgt Stryker in “The Sands of Iwo Jima”. The caption asked, “Which one is the war hero?” The answer: Don Adams. As a 19-year-old he was a Marine on Guadalcanal, where he was not only shot, but also contracted suffering the often-fatal blackwater fever. It took him a year to recover.

    I also remember two telephoto shots of a pair of East German soldiers on the Berlin Wall. In the first photo, they were grim and forbidding, like proper East German border guards. But in the second, they were smiling and looked just like the boy-next-door. Both pictures told you something about them, but neither of them told you everything.

    The guys in the two pictures above look like they came from Central Casting. But depending on the movie, the soldier could be the defender of the Free World – or he could be Sgt Robert Bales on his way out of the base to massacre the locals. Likewise, the guy in the glasses could be a permanent adolescent, or he could a genius about to find the cure for cancer.

    Stereotypes are what you make them.

  61. Yohan

    Merits of one particular mission aside, your statement was “soldiers don’t make the place any safer”.
    Are you now amending that to “Aussie soldiers kicking Taliban/Al-Queera arse don’t make the place any safer, but other soldiers on other missions are pretty comforting to have around”?

    The picture Sinclair posted is a soldier obviously in Afghanistan or Iraq, the two most useless wars of our generation. My statement was ‘that US soldier is not protecting anyone’s freedom’. The amending is all yours.

  62. From this:

    All I have learn’t after 66 years is that solders do NOT make any place safer.

    to this:

    My statement was ‘that US soldier is not protecting anyone’s freedom’.

    Yep, the amending is all mine.

  63. Yohan

    You can’t read can you Steve? I did not make that comment.

  64. John Mc

    All I have learn’t after 66 years is that solders do NOT make any place safer.

    Watching Obama squander the moral authority of the West has given me a renewed feeling of justification about Afghanistan and Iraq. Specifically, that message that if you f*ck with us, it doesn’t matter how far you run or how clever the organisation behind you might be. We will deploy more assets than you ever can imagine, to the furtherest corner of the globe, taking whatever casualties we have to, staying there for a decade or more if required, to find you and if we don’t shoot you in the face, we’ll put your miserable ass on public trial and hang you with footage on YouTube. And we have the means, the moral authority and the will to do it again, and again, if we have too.

    Recent geopolitical events have proven the time has not yet come to let this attitude lapse in the West.

  65. That thing on the left is a man?

    I’ve met twelve-year-old girls who’d be more threatening on a battlefield.

  66. Yohan

    Watching Obama squander the moral authority of the West has given me a renewed feeling of justification about Afghanistan and Iraq. Specifically, that message that if you f*ck with us, it doesn’t matter how far you run or how clever the organisation behind you might be. We will deploy more assets than you ever can imagine, to the furtherest corner of the globe, taking whatever casualties we have to, staying there for a decade or more if required, to find you and if we don’t shoot you in the face, we’ll put your miserable ass on public trial and hang you with footage on YouTube.

    That’s right John Mc, those 19 mostly Saudi Hijackers, funded by Qatar and the Pakistan ISI, we are going to go to the furthest corner of the globe to get you…..

  67. Oh come on

    Likewise, the guy in the glasses could be a permanent adolescent, or he could a genius about to find the cure for cancer.

    True. Nevertheless, there are dignified roles. And then there are…undignified roles. You get to choose, you know.

  68. Gab

    or he could a genius about to find the cure for cancer

    Not slouching around in his pjs all day drinking cocoa and doing ads for Obama he’s not.

  69. John Mc

    That’s right John Mc, those 19 mostly Saudi Hijackers, funded by Qatar and the Pakistan ISI, we are going to go to the furthest corner of the globe to get you…..

    Yeah, if need be. That pretty much was the message given to Saddam. When he suggested he was busy and maybe we could catch up in more amicable circumstances, the message left on his voicemail was “sorry, no time to waste. See you next week at your place, ready or not”.

  70. That’s right John Mc, those 19 mostly Saudi Hijackers, funded by Qatar and the Pakistan ISI, we are going to go to the furthest corner of the globe to get you…..

    We get it now. You’re the feller in the left-hand photo. A real asset to the world.

  71. westie woman

    I still haven’t decided on a Christmas present for my dearly beloved lefty lawyer who I reside with -now I know – a onesie it is for him so he can sip hot chocolate and reflect on the demise of his beloved Labor Party while I read my IPA literature and get stuck into the chardy!

    Seriously is that how the Dems see American young blokes??? (The weirdo on the left of course)

  72. Seriously is that how the Dems see American young blokes???

    The guy in the onesie is the Dems’ dream voter. The guy in the military uniform is their nightmare – he probably hunts deer, drinks beer, and goes to church whenever he’s on furlough. That, plus his white skin, makes him a default Republican/Tea Party supporter, and thus a homophobic racist who wants to take away a woman’s right to choose. /sarc The fact that he’s quite possibly shot dozens of Taliban who would otherwise have brutalized or oppressed little Afghan girls means nothing to them.

  73. I bet Sinclair you were a mummy’s boy, otherwise you must have experienced a radically innovative means of conception and, or nurture, which might explain an apparent predilection for fostering violence and dehumanization.

  74. Fisky

    I bet Sinclair you were a mummy’s boy, otherwise you must have experienced a radically innovative means of conception and, or nurture, which might explain an apparent predilection for fostering violence and dehumanization.

    No, that’s unreadable shit, packed with dodgy grammar, non sequiturs and random thesaurus clippings. Get the fuck out of here.

  75. Ouch. Embarrassing post in almost every direction. I’m not sure which is worse: an academic economist calling someone else a nerdy mummy’s boy or a libertarian swooning at the sight of a man in uniform. Perhaps it should be quietly deleted?

  76. Tom

    Are these really all Bolt refugees? FMD. Calli, apart from a skip, could you order in a couple of hundred litres of Pine-O-Cleen?

  77. james

    Daniel many of us libertarians used to wear uniforms.

    Nothing gives you a greater appreciation of liberty than being one of those tasked with defending it.

    Give me a nation of soldiers over a nation of humanities graduates any day.

  78. sabrina

    Soldiers can make a place safer, for some people for some time, but not necessarily always. In doing so, they also take enormous personal risk. There is always two sides to a war.
    As for the other chap, what did he achieve at the end?

  79. calli

    Mornin’ Tom. I’ll have the 2 cube delivered this am. Forget the disinfectant. I find a plumber’s jetter more effective (and entertaining).

  80. MATT

    No Al-Qaeda is threatening my freedoms in Australia.

    In fact every single curtailment of my freedom has come directly from the Australian government, backed by soldiers like that in the picture.

  81. .

    Daniel Barnes #1116526, posted on December 19, 2013 at 4:59 am
    Ouch. Embarrassing post in almost every direction. I’m not sure which is worse: an academic economist calling someone else a nerdy mummy’s boy or a libertarian swooning at the sight of a man in uniform. Perhaps it should be quietly deleted?

    You’re on the left in this picture, aren’t you Barnes?

    I pinged as a fraud and an academic phoney way back. You never argue anything of substance. You are the David Suzuki of the humanities.

  82. .

    Fisky #1116513, posted on December 19, 2013 at 4:05 am
    I bet Sinclair you were a mummy’s boy, otherwise you must have experienced a radically innovative means of conception and, or nurture, which might explain an apparent predilection for fostering violence and dehumanization.

    No, that’s unreadable shit, packed with dodgy grammar, non sequiturs and random thesaurus clippings. Get the fuck out of here.

    LOL

    Wmbbb or whatever thinks he’s a clever dick.

    and, or nurture,

    Take the strict grammar check off in MS Word 2007, dickhead. It’s gibberish.

  83. .,
    Your estimation of your own astuteness never ceases to amuse.

  84. Combine Dave

    I pinged as a fraud and an academic phoney way back. You never argue anything of substance. You are the David Suzuki of the humanities.

    Is there anyone in the humanities who is not?

  85. I mean Sinclair is usually quite readable. But this really is embarrassing, and gets worse the more you think about it. Perhaps economists just shouldn’t attempt humour! Put it down to a brain explosion and press delete would be my advice…;-)

  86. .

    Nothing of substance, Barnes. Continue to amaze yourself.

  87. I mean Sinclair is usually quite readable. But this really is embarrassing, and gets worse the more you think about it. Perhaps economists just shouldn’t attempt humour! Put it down to a brain explosion and press delete would be my advice…;-)

  88. .

    Wow, this is really vain, even from a humanities flunky.

  89. Mater

    …or a libertarian swooning at the sight of a man in uniform.

    …or alternatively, it could be someone simply paying respect to a person who risks everything for something other than self interest.

    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

    John Stuart Mill

  90. Look, it’s been clear for ages that Libertarians often get the horn at thinking about how a bit of paramilitary muscle will put the world (and society) to rights. It all comes down to their teenage fantasies from reading Starship Troopers, if you ask me.

    As an example I’ve complained about here before, rather than legislate that a clubs district with a drunken street violence problem start closing down at 3am instead of 5 am, they would rather have an extra 30 police on the street trying to deal with fights. Or Tim Wilson and his “bring out the water canon” tweet. Extra muscle will solve it all.

    What is kinda funny is that the Libertarian “heros” in the US congress don’t live up to a particularly masculine stereotype: sure, Ron Paul was a doctor in the Air Force; worthy service, but not exactly up to a tough, military guy image. His son and Paul Ryan have no military service at all.

    Gary Johnson gets marks from Libertarians for being a regular, all round, marathon running, mountain climbing action man. (Just like Abbott causes swoons here by being fit, even though he is, of course, no libertarian.) And Paul Ryan was caught telling fibs about his marathon performance. Yes, it pays with your fan base if you are a libertarian inclined politician to be fit. While most people like politicians not to look incredibly unfit, it’s mainly the Right wing/libertarians who fetishise how good a politician must be because he is fit.

    In any event, once you get away from the couple of fit politicians there, you get a public image of Libertarians more in the overweight Penn Jilette, or young nerdy college males who can’t get dates, probably with bodies no more masculine than “Mummy’s boy.”

    In other words, Libertarians hardly have good reason to be point to the appearance of others and being snide about it.

  91. Rabz

    In other words, Libertarians hardly have good reason to be point to the appearance of others and being snide about it.

    In other words, you’re just bleating because you’re a fat sedentary ol’ slob?

  92. Paridell

    From the various posts above, it would seem that “libertarian” can imply:

    a) admiration for a life of military service (Sinclair and james) or alternatively contempt for such a life, on the grounds that the soldier is an employee of the state (Robert Crew)

    b) hostility to the humanities (Combine Dave and james again)

    c) a preference for choosing “dignified roles” (Oh come on)

    And here I was thinking it meant a laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens. In other words, that you should be able to do pretty much as you please.

    I ask you, which of Sinclair’s two images looks more like a person who will do just as he pleases in life?

  93. james

    And here I was thinking it meant a laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens. In other words, that you should be able to do pretty much as you please.

    It does, thus the difference in opinion on other issues you have noted above.

    Libertarianism is a philosophy of government, not a Left-wing style total world-view where every opinion on every issue is funnelled through a single ideological prism.

    I ask you, which of Sinclair’s two images looks more like a person who will do just as he pleases in life?

    The one on the right, the one on the left will WANT to do as he pleases, and will certainly TALK about doing as he pleases, but will have none of the self discipline or life skills to do so.

    In other words, if both these guys tried to pick up the same girl the guy on the left would probably have the better lines, but the bloke on the right would be taking her home.

  94. Paridell

    I forgot to mention that picking up girls was apparently central to the whole question!

    Seriously, though, do you really believe there is such a thing as “a Left-wing style total world-view where every opinion on every issue is funnelled through a single ideological prism”? I see no sign of it today, and Solzhenitsyn’s “Lenin in Zurich” suggests there was no such thing a hundred years ago either. Even under Stalin, there were always the Trotskyists to argue the contrary line.

    What I do notice is that libertarianism too appears to harbour disagreements on basic questions (such as social values and the status of the military) that would give the factionalism of the Left a run for its money.

  95. Ha.

    A gay contributor at Slate weighs in the OTT right wing reaction. Let’s just say, he agrees with me that it says a fair bit about right wing psychology. Here’s a bit:

    These critics—and there are many—are not just offended by the notion of a relatively modest, market-based system designed to help people of differing levels of economic privilege gain access to healthcare. What really gets them, apparently, is the fact that there exist young, somewhat bookish-looking men who enjoy being comfortable. At least I think that’s what the problem is, based on descriptions like “infantilized … man-child,” “metrosexual hipster in a plaid onesie,” and reactions like “liberals fear masculinity and maturity.” Hey, that may be, but I bet the Brokeback Mountain understudy who tweeted that last bit of analysis would be shaking in his boots at the sight of the bedtime getups sported by some of the more bearish men of my acquaintance.

    But I digress. It’s fascinating how much biographical information about “pajama boy” umbrage-taking commentators have gleaned from a single image of the guy. According to Charles Cooke of the National Review, he’s a member of the “Queer Students Association” where he takes part in “ ’dialogue’ about the evils of ‘heteronormativity’ or ‘micro-aggressions,’ the pressing necessity of ‘safe spaces,’ and the vital importance of whatever other buzzwords the comically hopeless liberal-arts students at Oberlin, Hampshire, and Brown are talking about these days.” Did Obama tweet out his college syllabus as well? I mean, that seems like a lot to assume from a fella’s bedclothes, but hey, I’m not as schooled in the old conservative Christmas tradition of gay witch-hunting as Cooke seems to be.

  96. Here my observation repeated is in simple English – if that is the problem, for your understanding.
    Run this thorough your grammar check, then.

    1. Sinclair was a Mummy’s boy.
    2. Why? I am not being personal, Sinclair. That is the way the human beings are born and nurtured. Their are exceptions in myth e.g. Romulus and Remus.
    3. A predilection for violence can arise from the surrounding culture, the system of ideas. Rome had a militaristic culture, hence the myth. It can seemingly arise from the inhuman circumstances in childhood. Perhaps these circumstances do not just happen, but from the belief that problems can be solved violent means i.e violent means can produce peaceful ends. That is a proposition is subject to empirical testing.
    3. The examples show a predilection to violence. How can anybody be sure that the person on the left is not a Daddy’s boy and the person on the right is not a Mummy’s boy. It is sad to relate that the young men who die in wars, such as World War I, cried out for their mother. Equally sad, it is reported soldiers in increasing numbers on returning home are committing suicide.

    It is also true, after breaking in, uninvited, into your playpen, I did expect the response. That was very, very bad of me. OTOH, Sinclair made reference to democracy, something that can be tested as well.

  97. Even I can see that one. The sentence might read:

    “That is a empirically testable proposition.”

    Heartfelt thanks for the criticism on grammar. I am in the habit of adopting the libertarian approach in that regard.

  98. james

    Sfb, so you are admitting the poor young man’s love of penis?

  99. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinclair made reference to democracy

    Really? Where? My only comment on this thread has been to reply to the slanderous suggestion that I would wear pyjamas.

  100. I’m not as schooled in the old conservative Christmas tradition of gay witch-hunting as Cooke seems to be.

    Yeah. Like these guys, for example. Totally homophobic. It’s a disgrace.

    Lefty fey outrage, indeed:

    On one level, I don’t get the mindset that says you can’t be happy if someone, somewhere doesn’t approve of your lifestyle. What’s the Big Deal if a guy on a cable TV show doesn’t like you? Obsession that someone, somewhere might disapprove of you seems like a cripplingly neurotic way to go through life. (We’ll leave aside, for the moment, the obsession secular leftists have with judging what “true Christians” should and should not believe.)

    On another level, I understand it completely. Faux outrage generates publicity. Publicity generates donations. Donations ensure that Wilson Cruz can keep his cushy job as an outraged spokesperson for GLAAD and not have to get a real job in the miserable Obamaconomy. Such generosity is what earned Alec Baldwin a pass from GLAAD for his repeated use of anti-gay slurs.

  101. JC

    A gay contributor at Slate weighs in the OTT right wing reaction. Let’s just say, he agrees with me that it says a fair bit about right wing psychology. Here’s a bit:

    We don’t like hetro metrosexual men, Stepford. Even females are replied by them for very good reasons.

  102. In other words, Libertarians hardly have good reason to be point to the appearance of others and being snide about it.

    Like this, for example.

    [the sacrifices I make for you people. That's another 30 seconds of my life I'll never have again.]

  103. Look, it’s been clear for ages that Libertarians often get the horn at thinking about how a bit of paramilitary muscle will put the world (and society) to rights. It all comes down to their teenage fantasies from reading Starship Troopers, if you ask me.

    Thank goodness Steve has finally realised that his posturing on this blog is probably related to his teenage fantasies … especially the ones about Mean Girls and what he’d like to do to them.

    One word, Steve: Gab.

  104. Ah Philippa, you’re a dill.

    The post I did about Bishop’s workout photos was one in a series on the theme of the deliberate Putinised media output coming from the Abbott media operation.

    It was its transparent manipulation of a politician’s image, and the Murdoch media playing along with it (as does Russian media) that was making me queasy.

    And yes, she was shot like a wrinklier Olivia Neutron Bomb, but her physical appearance doesn’t make me feel sick per se. It’s the manipulation attempt.

    I think this is pretty plain from the words of my post. Do you understand now? I have said before, I get the feeling at times you’re rather dim for someone who has been at university a lot.

  105. And by the way, I don’t give a toss if there are a bunch of right wing dimwitted “Gaypatriots” who think that gays are just being Lefty losers if they can’t take a bit of gay name calling from other Right wingers.

    They are as silly and morally compromised as the women who comment here who sat silent while Sandra Fluke was called a slut (or indeed, jointed in the named calling.)

  106. JC

    Stepford

    You have a memory lapse or simply projecting? You were directly referring to Santorum’s wife as a slut countless times.

    Shut up and go away. You’ve been banned here because you only pick on females.

    Shoo off.

  107. You were directly referring to Santorum’s wife as a slut countless times.

    It’s been explained at length countless times how I didn’t.

  108. Fisky

    1. Sinclair was a Mummy’s boy.
    2. Why? I am not being personal, Sinclair. That is the way the human beings are born and nurtured.

    Really? Every last one of them?

    Their are exceptions in myth e.g. Romulus and Remus.

    Their what?

    3. A predilection for violence can arise from the surrounding culture, the system of ideas. Rome had a militaristic culture, hence the myth.

    What myth? What the fuck are you talking about?

    It can seemingly arise from the inhuman circumstances in childhood.

    What is “it”, and what inhuman circumstances are you talking about? This isn’t getting any better and I’m behind on a major deadline, wmmbb, so hurry up and make your point FFS.

    Perhaps these circumstances do not just happen, but from the belief that problems can be solved violent means i.e violent means can produce peaceful ends. That is a proposition is subject to empirical testing.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say and your aversion to grammar is not helping.

    3. The examples show a predilection to violence. How can anybody be sure that the person on the left is not a Daddy’s boy and the person on the right is not a Mummy’s boy. It is sad to relate that the young men who die in wars, such as World War I, cried out for their mother. Equally sad, it is reported soldiers in increasing numbers on returning home are committing suicide.

    Uh huh…oh hang on, did I really bother to read this far expecting that you’d actually make a fucking point by now??? I promise not to repeat that mistake in future.

    It is also true, after breaking in, uninvited, into your playpen, I did expect the response. That was very, very bad of me. OTOH, Sinclair made reference to democracy, something that can be tested as well.

    Pitiful. Get lost.

  109. Fisky

    Even I can see that one. The sentence might read:

    “That is a empirically testable proposition

    No, no. That sentence might not read like that at all. You’ve got the turgidity of Tim Dunlop multiplied by the grammatical competence of Herr Homer. Well done, alphabet soup man!

  110. And yes, she was shot like a wrinklier Olivia Neutron Bomb, but her physical appearance doesn’t make me feel sick per se. It’s the manipulation attempt.

    I think this is pretty plain from the words of my post. Do you understand now? I have said before, I get the feeling at times you’re rather dim for someone who has been at university a lot.

    They are as silly and morally compromised as the women who comment here who sat silent while Sandra Fluke was called a slut (or indeed, jointed in the named calling.)

    Thank goodness Steve has finally realised that his posturing on this blog is probably related to his teenage fantasies … especially the ones about Mean Girls and what he’d like to do to them.

    One word, Steve: Gab.

  111. Frisky, has Sinclair yet denied he was a Mummy’s boy. There I go again. Whatever happened to free speech? People have to practice the values they expound for them to be credible.

  112. MATT

    BTW, where is that soldier in the picture stationed?

    If it is any country in the Middle East that the US has invaded then that soldier has categorically not made that country safer. In fact the invasions have turned those countries into unsafe war zones.

    You can’t support the warfare state and a limited government at the same time. You can’t call for reasonable limits on government spending while offering a blank check for warfare.

    After 9/11 virtually all of the additional powers gained by the government has been directed at law abiding citizens, not terrorists or Muslim agitators as people thought would happen.

    The government could stop 100% of terrorism by self identified Muslims in Australia with ease but in doing so the government loses justification for its war powers and thus takes no action. If anything the Australian government finances terrorists all around the world.

    It’s time to stop hitting the Muslim beehive. Or if the government must continue to provoke Muslims at least have a sensible immigration policy that doesn’t bring Taliban in to live in Australia.

  113. jupes

    In fact the invasions have turned those countries into unsafe war zones.

    You idiot.

    The Afghans fought each other from the time the Soviets left until the US invaded. The shithole is always a war zone.

  114. Matt

    You idiot.

    The Afghans fought each other from the time the Soviets left until the US invaded. The shithole is always a war zone.

    The US invasion has made it worse.

    Iraq? A stable country has been put into anarchy and is a center of terrorism now. Libya? In the hands of radical Islamists, supported by the US government for years with weaponry and training, and supported with US aircover. Another terrorist center. Another Middle Eastern country where women have had their rights curtailed (thanks, US government!).

    And what of the US support for terrorists in Syria? Assad Bashar is bad, but is much less harmful in his foreign policy than the US government.

    An idiot is one that buys all the lies peddled by the government. Open your eyes.

  115. wreckage

    Iraq? A stable country has been put into anarchy

    A stable regime of terror is not preferable to anarchy.

  116. Matt

    A stable regime of terror is not preferable to anarchy.

    Authoritarian regimes are the favored type of regime of the people of the Middle East. That and Islamist regimes. Authoritarian regimes are at least engaged in normal diplomatic relations with other countries, and are nominally against terrorism (they are often the targets of it).

    It isn’t for us to force the people of the Middle East into particular types of governmental arrangements, and when we try it doesn’t work anyway. European social organisation comes from more than a thousand years of incremental developments towards that particular type of organisation. It can’t be transplanted on to people that favor other types of arrangements.

    The anarchy in Iraq that makes that country a training ground for terrorists is definitely a worse outcome than the leadership of Saddam Hussein. I am living in the real world. In this real world I don’t want terrorists wanting to kill me. I don’t want policies that increase the number of such terrorists. The risk to me from Saddam Hussein was precisely zero.

    The opposite of living in the real world is living in a fantasy world. That of being greeted as liberators with rose petals, ‘cakewalks’, ‘Mission Accomplished’, and so on. The fantacists are deranged.

  117. It’s time to stop hitting the Muslim beehive.

    Agreed. Time to stop thwacking it with a blunt stick and simply sear it from the face of the earth.

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