Australia the best place to live and work in the world

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From The Guardian whereof there is no source more authoritative:

Australia is rated best place to live and work for third year running

UK comes 10th in OECD index, behind US and Scandinavian countries but ahead of France and Germany

Only don’t know why they used a picture of Sydney in their story which is only the seventh most livable city in the world.

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243 Responses to Australia the best place to live and work in the world

  1. Andrew

    Are they aware that we have an Abbott666 government now???

  2. France is far superior in every respect.

    Ask Alecia Simmonds. We hate intellectuals, ignore her at BBQs, and insist on owning property. And it’s all John Howard’s fault. Alecia Simmonds has, quite frankly, seen more sophisticated cultures on the bottom of a shower curtain.

    Pass the port.

  3. Andrew

    Sydney is way too overpriced and overrated. Melbourne ftw.

  4. Sid Vicious

    Is there any chance of hiding this news from the people smugglers?

  5. Bruce

    Picture of Sydney? Really?

  6. Rabz

    Picture of Sydney? Really?

    At the Guardian link, yes.

  7. manalive

    From The Guardian whereof there is no source more authoritative:
    Australia is rated best place to live and work for third year running …

    That’s a bit of a worry in a way.
    Do we really want a flood of Guardian-reading poms lobbing here?

  8. Are they aware that we have an Abbott666 government now???

    Well to be fair Abbott hasn’t had much time to screw things up yet.

  9. Rabz

    Two points leap out from an initial reading of that utter drivel.

    while 90% of people say they are satisfied with their housing situation

    We’re ‘satisfied’ with some of the most overpriced housing (be that owned or rented) in the western world?

    Australia – which enforces compulsory voting – also scored highly for public engagement, with 93% turnout at the recent elections.

    This is simply ridiculous. For starters, the 7% figure wouldn’t include people who didn’t bother to enrol, just those who didn’t bother fronting up on polling day. That figure of course, also wouldn’t include informal and donkey votes. I remain profoundly unconvinced that forcing uninterested and/or illiterate, innumerate, ahistorical imbeciles to front up at a polling both on election day does anything for the quality of ‘public engagement’ in this country.

    But then, it is the Guardian, so obviously anything contained within is going to be utter horse manure.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Where does it rank if you want to have fun?

    Australia is a fascist stink hole.

  11. Fred Furkenburger

    Yes IT I agree. I have been known to say that Australia is essentially a “socialist” country. Each time Labor get in they whittle away at our freedoms at a rate the great unwashed don’t notice. Sadly each time the LNP get in they do little to unwind what Labor have done. And sadly again in Victoria we seem to have one of the most left leaning so called conservative governments you could have without them all being ex union members!

  12. Empire Strikes Back

    Australia is a fascist stink hole.

    In the interests of accuracy, Queensland is a fascist stink hole. Australia is a socialist cesspit.

  13. Abu Chowdah

    What city is that in the Cat photo? Looks clean and sunny.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Greatest country in the world to live in… And yet you can be fined for leaving your car window down or not securing your dead dog properly in the back of your ute. Pigs arse it’s a great country to live in.

  15. Riverina Matt

    Surprised the Grauniad article wasn’t subtitled “minorities excepted …”

  16. Tel

    Well to be fair Abbott hasn’t had much time to screw things up yet.

    You obviously haven’t heard the wailing and gnashing coming from the NBN FSA loyalists. All Turnbull has done is a progress review and stocktake and that’s enough to rattle the windows with moaning. Imagine when he actually makes a decision.

  17. jumpnmcar

    Australia is a fascist stink hole.

    I will be the first and fiercest warrior in the battle to remove the legal restriction that prevent you from fucking off.
    Oh wait, there are none..
    Why are you still here ?

  18. Habib

    If Melbourne represents Australia, Detroit represents the USA, and Birmingham represents the UK.

  19. nic

    France is far superior in every respect.

    To our social intelligensia, France is better because it is, well, in France. Drinking, smoking, eating full cream dairy products, eschewing soap etc is something to be emulated when practiced by a Frenchman but banned when Aussies do it.

  20. Andrew

    All Turnbull has done is a progress review and stocktake

    To be fair, they’ve never experienced that before. Or business planning, cost-benefit analysis, accurate stakeholder reporting on progress against milestones, accountability, or the suggestion that money isn’t free and infinite to be spent on what used to be called “gold-plating” when the power companies tried to prevent blackouts on hot days but is now called “essential for our children’s future” when it applies to lounge-room download speeds.

    I wonder if the ALPBC will be as horrified if Turnbull (or more likely, Bishop now that she’s doing his job for him) asks basic management questions of them.

  21. You obviously haven’t heard the wailing and gnashing coming from the NBN FSA loyalists.

    The government’s NBN is Abbott screwing up the future; the story is (presumably) about the now.

  22. mareeS

    Would be even better without the Greens. Insidious pack of mush-heads.

  23. Notafan

    Each time Labor get in they whittle away at our freedoms at a rate the great unwashed don’t notice

    .
    No that is the most praiseworthy thing of all ! How many times do you see luvvies lauding the fantastic achievement of RGR passing over 600 pieces of legislation as if that should be an end in itself?

  24. 1735099

    I remain profoundly unconvinced that forcing uninterested and/or illiterate, innumerate, ahistorical imbeciles to front up at a polling booth on election day

    Sounds very much like the views held by the”elites” so often blamed for despising ordinary Australians.

  25. samuel j

    I think thad Guardian confused Austria and Australia.

  26. Oh come on

    People who like imposed order and structure think Australia’s awesome. Namely, children and socialists.

    This country is most definitely a fantastic place to raise children, would surely be one the best on that front – arguably the best.

  27. Oh come on

    No, Numbers, he’s referring to people like you.

  28. struth

    Despising them and not wanting them to vote. Two different things .

  29. struth

    What an ignorant and stupid analysis. Once you read that they call being forced to vote “public engagement” you know what you’re dealing with.

  30. PeterPetrum

    And, as Michael Smith pointed out today on 2GB, kids can be fined $3300 if they catch tadpoles in a reserve or National Park without having a “wildlife procurers licence” or some such crap. Tadpoles, for goodness sake, what fun for a kid to watch it metamorphose into a frog. This country has gone to the dogs.

  31. Andrew

    No that is the most praiseworthy thing of all ! How many times do you see luvvies lauding the fantastic achievement of RGR passing over 600 pieces of legislation as if that should be an end in itself?

    Astonishingly, they never told me how wonderful the Howard govt was, passing over 500 pieces of legislation in its last term. What a great government it must have been. Just ask this bint:

    I’m looking forward to Abbott666 passing more bills than Our Lady of Altona – he should break up the carbon tax repeal into as many laws as possible. In fact, once he passes OLA I’ll be running a daily count on Facebook to taunt the filthies.

  32. struth

    Headline……….
    Socialists believe Australia the best place to live.
    It has the best hand outs.
    Small population of workers in private enterprise work to pay for you.
    Best place to live for a public servant.

  33. Eddystone

    This country has gone to the dogs.

    Hope that pooch is registered, mate!

  34. Andrew

    Speaking of how great that Socialist Paradise France is, and how equitable ™ it is since bringing in a wealth supertax under Holland, here’s a quick economics quiz. The topic is current events.

    Q1: Which country/ies in the Eurozone saw GDP contract in Q3?

    Mark your answers here:

  35. Habib

    I only despise ordinary Australians when they elect a government that will do national, and by extension, personal harm. Democracy involves rather a lot of self abuse.

    While detesting the result, I don’t question it.

    Unlike most of you fruit cakes.

  36. Mick

    Ironic that the Left can publish this yet not anything about the failed Antarctic expedition. They can see one fail clearly, and not mention it, but not the fail of communism. I’m surprised they mentioned that we’ve outranked Cuba and North Korea.

  37. Because we pay our socialists generously (ALPBC celebrities being a good example) they are too busy polishing their Porsches to get up to too much mischief.

    Like Monty, all turban and no jihad…

  38. struth

    Habib, that’s a good boy. Do NOT question anything. Believe me. I have some property you may be interested in, it’s located in a great area in Alice Springs and it even has sea views. Going cheap I promise.

  39. Oh come on

    People here generally have a lot more time for an ‘ordinary Australian’ than those who claim to champion them but actually regard them as embarrassing, crude bigoted yobbos. If only they’d visit Europe. Then they could get some Culture. Once they set foot in Paris they will be cured of their inherent racism, too. It’s the global capital of Tolerance and Harmony. Hey, why are those cars on fire?

  40. struth

    How confusing Australia is to many a socialist.
    They must “occupy” everywhere to fight against the rich one percent.
    Only to find the one percent are the socialist public servants that are reporting on their activities at the ABC.

  41. Habib

    Struth, you misinterpreted my post. It was directed at those who willingly inflict harm on all of us through their use of the electoral system for rent seeking. I haven’t been around the Cat for a bit due to work and deployments, I’m back around to smite the socialist wherever it pops up its pointy head.

    Won’t last long though, I’m off to the sandpit again this year.

  42. struth

    If you hate socialists then why would we be fruit cakes Habib? Is questioning not allowed?

  43. Habib

    I encourage the questioning of everything, I also don’t hate anyone, except perhaps for the sons of the levant who leave IEDs for my mates. I’ll quite happily direct all manner of ordnance on the bastards, in accordance with our bollocks ROE. Are all trolls here so cretinous?

  44. Tadpoles, for goodness sake, what fun for a kid to watch it metamorphose into a frog. This country has gone to the dogs frogs.
    FIFY

  45. Gab

    Are all trolls here so cretinous?

    Yes and some even more so. However I doubt Struth is a troll, just a misunderstanding in communications perhaps.

  46. Habib

    Bloody hell, numbers is still around. Managed to organise that Gold Card yet? Can’t be that hard getting evidence from the catering corps.

  47. sdfc

    How is that controversial?

  48. H B Bear

    I guess if you have to live in a …stan country it may as well be Melbourne.

  49. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Good on you Habib.

  50. Oh come on

    The Grauniad journos who compiled the list saw a photo of Sydney Harbour. Not as nice as Rio, but still nice. (Let’s not forget they’re Poms so they’d have been in awe of blue sky and sunshine.)

    Then they saw a Holden assembly line worker’s EBA. $50/hr base + myriad of generous loadings, 21 day Xmas shutdown, 5 days of union-managed ‘training’ etc etc on top of standard leave. Definitely the best place in the world to work!

    Australia comes out #1 on those two metrics easily.

  51. Oh come on

    HB: you mean like Soviet Canuckistan?

  52. Tardell G

    I’m with the naysayers. Australia is an over-regulated expensive place to live.
    On the plus side we should be grateful that our capital cities are now full of recently arrived Chinese and Indian nationals who have brought their lovely food culture with them for us to enjoy.

  53. Aussieute

    This can’t be the best place in the world to live, that story is utter crap ….. when 2013 was the hottest year ever and according to some it’s getting worse

  54. Oh come on

    Again, they’re British, remember. Ok they’re pinkos so of course they’re terrified of AGW, but they’re fundamentally Poms so the hotter it is, the better. They can more quickly attain the optimal skin hue of deep, flourescent pink adorned with bright white sunglasses lines.

  55. Richard Bender

    Only don’t know why they used a picture of Sydney in their story…

    Because Melbourne inflicted upon us Julia Gillard, Stephen Conroy, Adam Bandt, Nicola Roxon and Aussie Rules.

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    It’s Godzone. I’m always glad to get back.
    After a couple of months, I can’t wait to get away again.

  57. sdfc

    The main reason Australia is an expensive place to live is we have higher incomes than much of the world. You’re free to go to a cheaper, lower income country.

  58. Oh come on

    Thanks for that input, Captain Obvious.

  59. struth

    Habib, you’re original statement was vague and could have come from a point of view from either side of politics. Then you finished off with “unlike most of the fruit cakes here”. What is a bloke supposed to conclude?
    If you can’t express yourself properly, and you may be a good bloke, don’t call people cretins if they take you the wrong way. I’ll say no more on the matter.

  60. sdfc

    OCO

    Just responding to the Australia is an expensive place to live argument.

    Glad to see you agree that we should thank our lucky stars we live in a high income country.

  61. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Japan is a high income country where almost all things are a lot cheaper than here.

  62. Alfonso

    There is a country that has all of the Statist rules and government by comrade bureaucracy of Australia….but nothing is enforced. It’s all show. Perfect refuge.

  63. candy

    It’s not high income, it’s the high cost of housing / rent and also energy costs which eats into income. And food.

  64. sdfc

    Japan has been in deflation for about a decade. If it wasn’t for their peculiar society and heaps of stimulus unemployment would probable be a lot higher. Nominal income has been stagnant for 20 years.

  65. struth

    SDFC. Incomes vary greatly in Australia and besides some in the mining and ancillary industries who do get paid well, in many industries a full time job means nothing. You will never be able to buy a house anywhere in Australia on a flat 40 hours. You just don’t make enough for a country with some of the most expensive housing in the world, in one of the least populated countries in the world. It is a complete travesty.

  66. wreckage

    The main reason Australia costs so much to live in is high cost of housing and transport. The point is that Australia is expensive to live in compared to other wealthy nations.

  67. struth

    The main reason Australia is so expensive is tax.

  68. wreckage

    You will never be able to buy a house anywhere in Australia on a flat 40 hours.

    Exactly. The cost of housing is beyond absurd in Australia.

  69. caveman

    Im putting the rent up.

  70. wreckage

    struth, that’s a big factor in housing. And the governments work to keep the price up because so much is dependent on various taxes on housing.

  71. Tel

    The main reason Australia is an expensive place to live is we have higher incomes than much of the world.

    That doesn’t explain why land is so expensive.

    You’re free to go to a cheaper, lower income country.

    Yup, and I’m free to stay and try to push for a better life right here thank you very much.

  72. Tardell G

    sdfc said “You’re free to go to a cheaper, lower income country”. You first pal. I was born here and never expected it to turn into a second world shithole.

  73. struth

    That’s what I meant. When you look at any expensive situation in Australia, be it fuel, power, housing, anything. The underlying reason is tax.

  74. sdfc

    You’re more likely to be able to afford a house (and a nice one at that) than most of the rest of the world.

  75. land is so expensive

    I could buy a house and land if I were permitted to spend on mortgage payments less than what my benevolent government allows me to spend on renting a flat.

  76. candy

    How does one just get up and go to another country get a job and buy a house at the drop of a hat, presuming they even wanted to leave their families and homeland. What a silly idea.

  77. Tardell G

    “You’re more likely to be able to afford a house (and a nice one at that) than most of the rest of the world.”
    You’re off your chops. Are you drunk?

  78. sdfc

    Plenty of people do it Candy. If I found Australia as intolerable as some people here seem to find it, I would.

  79. sdfc

    No it’s true you silly person.

  80. struth

    For all those that say if you don’t like it , piss off.
    I would dare say that some are too old to actually be allowed to live anywhere else.
    There are very many other easons.
    To get to live in another country it’s not as easy as just pissing off.
    It’s not as easy as getting on a boat and coming here.
    I won’t go because it is my country and I would be a hypocrite. I believe all those young fit arseholes that came here on boats should have stayed in their own country and fought for a better home. I’ll stay in mine and fight.

  81. pete m

    Most homes are owned outright in this country.

    Most citizens like high house prices.

    Foreigners with large bank balances are propping up the market (not racist – just stating obvious with Sydney market going stupid).

    Aust is a great place to live because it contains Australians. People don’t always appreciate how nice, helpful and decent most Aussies are. It is always why I loved the holiday in the U States. Such lovely people.

  82. struth

    Most homes are owned outright in this country

    and rented out.

    Most citizens like high house prices

    Most Home owners like high house prices.

    Foreigners with large bank balances are propping up the market (not racist – just stating obvious with Sydney market going stupid).

    And renting them out to Australians.

  83. sdfc

    Yeah I know, foreign investment is bad Struth. Terrible.

  84. jumpnmcar

    Here ya go, have a crack.
    And please, share.

  85. J.H.


    Infidel Tiger
    #1133238, posted on January 3, 2014 at 4:20 pm
    Greatest country in the world to live in… And yet you can be fined for leaving your car window down or not securing your dead dog properly in the back of your ute. Pigs arse it’s a great country to live in.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Well it could be worse IT….. In North Korea you literally get thrown to the dogs if you fall out of favour with the political elite.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/how-kim-jongun-executed-his-uncle-with-starving-dogs/story-fni0xs61-1226794492233

    Our Socialist are just not trying hard enough.

  86. Do you “if you don’t like it, fuck off types” have any argument for people like me who have indeed “fucked off” because they are sick of the overregulation?

    I left 2 years ago, and not a day goes by when I don’t think “Fuck Australia”.

    Boring, expensive, full of stickybeaks too interested in other people’s business, and stridently anti-anything fun.

    Infidel Tiger is 100% correct. If you think Australia is so wonderful, you’ve obviously never been anywhere else.

  87. jumpnmcar

    Well we are shit on the FDI Regulatory Restrictiveness Index.
    Time to pack the bags for Romania or Slovenia.
    How are the beaches there ?
    I work outside, hope the weather is nice.

  88. Oh come on

    Don’t verbal me, sdfc.

  89. .

    sdfc
    #1133471, posted on January 3, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    The main reason Australia is an expensive place to live is we have higher incomes than much of the world. You’re free to go to a cheaper, lower income country.

    Way off base.

    Australia is expensive as a proportion of average income.

    Housing affordability is a real issue and the putative cause is high taxation.

  90. Habib

    I’m looking forward to my tax treatment in Dubai.

  91. sdfc

    Dot

    We are a wealthy society.

  92. jumpnmcar

    G’day Yobbo
    Glad to see you weren’t hurt in those cheap fun pre-election riots last week.
    Do you wear a red or yellow shirt ?

  93. Oh come on

    If you’re squeamish about living in developing countries, Romania wouldn’t be high on your list. Slovenia should be, though

  94. will

    We are a wealthy society.

    who is the “we”?

    this is justification for theft.

  95. Alf

    I believe all those young fit arseholes that came here on boats should have stayed in their own country and fought for a better home. I’ll stay in mine and fight.

    Fight who Struth? The people you’re slagging off might have actually seen some real fighting, not posting macho bullshit on a website full of like-minded people, but real, ugly violence that we are blessed not to have here. And before you come the ‘they’re just after life in a better economy’, how on earth would you know?

  96. candy

    We are a wealthy society.

    I don’t know, sdfc, you might need to look around a bit at some other suburbs. Rents are so high and the cost of energy is just atrocious taking a big chunk out of wages. Lots of young people will never be able to buy a home. Not everyone can achieve an education / employment level that allows that now.

    This is not to say we compared to real poverty in third world, that’s not appropriate to compare and I don’t mean that.

  97. sdfc

    Will

    this is justification for theft.

    Brilliant, taxation is theft. Right on brother, great argument.

  98. .

    sdfc
    #1133583, posted on January 3, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Dot

    We are a wealthy society.

    Yes. You have said that before.

    It doesn’t explain why we have expensive housing given average incomes, compared to other countries, on the same metric.

  99. Gab

    The people you’re slagging off might have actually seen some real fighting, not posting macho bullshit on a website full of like-minded people, but real, ugly violence that we are blessed not to have here.

    how on earth would you know?

  100. Carpe Jugulum

    The people you’re slagging off might have actually seen some real fighting

    Not sure how considering they flew to Indonesia, stocked up on steriods and then caught the alpbc charter to Christmas island.

  101. .

    PS

    The explanatory variables are the cluster of high tax rates, paticularly on housing.

  102. sdfc

    Dot

    A credit boom, high capital costs, a distorted market. It’s range of factors.

  103. Gab

    high tax rates, paticularly on housing.

    and they would be state taxes.

  104. Carpe Jugulum

    We are a wealthy society.

    Really?, everyone in Oz is wealthy, well FMD what a friggin utopia. Or are we wealthy compared to the 3rd world that doesn’t have the generous welfare state.

  105. jumpnmcar

    OCO
    Hey yeah, Slovenia doesn’t have a bad crime rate compared.
    Looks OK.

    ( Please don’t compare Australia and Thailand with that, that place is a blood bath )

  106. .

    sdfc

    Other places have those too.

    You seem eager to explain away taxes. Given they can constitute 45% of the purchase price (after the home owner has paid income tax) on a new home in Sydney, thus stifling supply, I ask, regarding your attitude, why is it so?

  107. jumpnmcar

    Good gracious nic, looks a lot more expensive the parking the WB ute at the beach under the stars.

  108. sdfc

    I’m not explaining away taxes at all. But if you want the states to cut taxes on property the Feds need to compensate them.

  109. sdfc

    The Commonwealth is a parasite.

  110. nic

    Jump, not as expensive as you might think

  111. Tom

    And before you come the ‘they’re just after life in a better economy’, how on earth would you know?

    Dumb knowall fucktards like you make me sick. Here is the list of minimum wages around the world. If you destroy your passport and pay passage to a criminal in Indonesia to get you to Australia, you qualify for sitdown money that’s three times the minimum wage in Iran, 10 times the minimum wage in Afghanistan and 20 times the minimum wage in Sri Lanka — not counting rent allowances, transport concessions and family benefits (i.e. money for running baby-making factories) . And that’s before you “qualify” for the disability support pension, which is 60% higher ($400 p.w. versus $250 p.w.) and is the rort of choice for any halfwit moocher. You are so stupid you think this is not the primary driver of illegal immigration. Thank god the system is not yet run by clowns like you, though key parts of it are.

  112. sdfc

    So what’s it like to live in Afghanistan Tom?

  113. Tom

    sdfc, if you think the Australian welfare bonanza isn’t the primary driver of illegal immigration from Afghanistan or Sri Lanka or Iran, you are a typical leftard thief wanting to hand out someone else’s money for your favourite feelgood causes. And you have never had a job in the real economy, so don’t lecture me about your superior morality. Give away your own money.

  114. sdfc

    If welfare was the main driver we’d get more reffos from other countries.

  115. calli

    Tom, your comments are almost word for word of what I said to my son in law this morning. He shares my sentiments, but his family have been giving him a hard time over his opinions regarding the country shoppers.

    Real ‘compassion’ means parting with your own hard earned. Playing the compassion game with other people’s money is a cop out.

  116. Carpe Jugulum

    So what’s it like to live in Afghanistan Tom?

    Enlighten us with your personal experience of Afghanistan please.

    If welfare was the main driver we’d get more reffos from other countries

    All ‘reffos’ come from other countries, otherwise they wouldn’t be ‘reffos’ you douchenozzle. FMD how stupid are these shills.

  117. stackja

    PeterPetrum
    #1133337, posted on January 3, 2014 at 5:47 pm
    And, as Michael Smith pointed out today on 2GB, kids can be fined $3300 if they catch tadpoles in a reserve or National Park without having a “wildlife procurers licence” or some such crap. Tadpoles, for goodness sake, what fun for a kid to watch it metamorphose into a frog. This country has gone to the dogs.

    Bob Carr again.

  118. sdfc

    You’re obviously a dumb arse Carpe.

  119. Tom

    In fact, there are people from all over the Third World trying to get into Australia, sdfc. The three examples are just the most commonly quoted because of their circumstances. Look up the numbers yourself. And because we have had six years of the country being run by irresponsible fat white moochers who specialise in spending other people’s money, Australia’s refugee system was almost destroyed.

  120. sdfc

    Tom

    So if people don’t hang around refugee camps for a decade they are not refugees?

  121. Carpe Jugulum

    You’re obviously a dumb arse Carpe

    I don’t meet the contradictory gold standard you have tard, and you didn;t respont to my statement, but that whats mouthbreathers like you do.

    So to recap, you stated; If welfare was the main driver we’d get more reffos from other countries

    I responded; All ‘reffos’ come from other countries, otherwise they wouldn’t be ‘reffos’ you douchenozzle

    You can’t refute that can you nor can you see a contradictory statement, ergo, you are a douchenozzle.

  122. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Sdfc you have no idea about Japan.

    Talking about 20 years of deflation and how ‘peculiar’ it is is a dead giveaway.

    The Japanese have higher standards of living than us, DESPITE 20 years of deflation, partly because Japan isn’t a union-infested, green-hippie dominated, over regulated ‘workers’ paradise’ run alternately by the union-affiliated Labor party and the non-union-affiliated Social Democratic Party (known as the Liberal-National coalition).

  123. Carpe Jugulum

    So if people don’t hang around refugee camps for a decade they are not refugees?

    Why would someone who is not a refugee hang around a refugee camp, discounting the usual UN hangers on.

  124. Tom

    What do you reckon about how human nature works, sdfc? After Howard got kicked out and until Abbott arrived, the incentive was to catch a plane to Jakarta, rent a boat to Christmas Island and bingo! $13,000-$20,000 p.a. instant sitdown money plus fringe benefits was yours. Fuck sitting in a reffo camp. Show me the money!!!

  125. sdfc

    You’re either slow or disingenuous. I wrote other countries rather than writing, countries other than usual suspects, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka. I didn’t realise I had to spell it out.

  126. candy

    So if people don’t hang around refugee camps for a decade they are not refugees?

    Who knows if that is real?

    With open borders for six years it became very hard for Australians to discriminate who’s who and why.
    That’s not racism, it’s just confusion about what the government was doing and the economic/social impact. There was no control, that was the problem.

  127. sdfc

    I imagine they were already on the move Tom. The boat crossing to Australia is the last leg.

  128. sdfc

    Let me spell it out. Why aren’t Thais and Chinese getting on boats?

  129. Carpe Jugulum

    I wrote other countries rather than writing, countries

    Well done you’ve lifted incoherent dribble to a new level. Oh wait you will probally go for nuance, but, then again waffling bullsh1t doesn’t have nuance.

    So far you’ve stated refugeees who aren’t refugees should be refugees but ther’re not after welfare because they are not refugees. Are you even embarrassed by how much of a continence aid you are.

  130. sdfc

    I was right the first time. You are a dumb arse.

  131. Carpe Jugulum

    Why aren’t Thais and Chinese getting on boats?

    What the fvk, what Thai refugees are there on the planet, all Chinese asylum seekers have come by air fully documented that i know of.

  132. Carpe Jugulum

    I was right the first time. You are a dumb arse.

    Whilst i slap you like a red haired stepchild, tell the group which cheek is redder left or right.

  133. Armadillo

    Tom is dead-set right. My in-laws worked in both Iran (where my wife was born) and also later (after the revolution) in Sri Lanka (where we had our honeymoon). It’s economic reasons these people are coming. FMD. Do they no longer teach Geography and History?

  134. Tom

    You’re pretending to be a leftard simpleton, sdfc. The world doesn’t work like that. Go back and look at the sitdown welfare available in Australia versus the rest of the world. The sugar on the table for illegal immigrants to Australia is inside the world’s top 30 average wage rates.

  135. Tel

    I wrote other countries rather than writing, countries other than usual suspects, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka. I didn’t realise I had to spell it out.

    We got a fair number from Somalia as well. I think perhaps you are trying to say that statistically more refugees come from regions of political unrest and conflict which drives people out of their traditional homes. I agree, the best way to reduce refugees is to find a way of reducing warfare and conflict.

    Once they have been uprooted, they are going to seek out the best place to live that they can get access to. That’s the rational thing to do. We do already bring in a large number of refugees (per capita) by orderly process and Howard was one of the governments that increased the quota. The argument has always been that [1] we should have an orderly process and [2] we should pick and choose who we take based on our own criteria (you know Democracy n that). Abbott is attempting to restore an orderly process, not attempting to put an end to refugee intake.

  136. Carpe Jugulum

    Tom & Armadillo, sdfc is at this moment furiously searching google for something on Thai refugees and will try to divert from his contradictory statementsw earlier.

    What a fvking amateur.

  137. sdfc

    Getting back to who is coming Tom. Why are the boat people inevitably from countries like Afghanistan, Sri Lanka etc rather than China given the amount of potential boat people in rural China?

    Tel you are out of place here with that sort of balanced argument.

  138. Carpe Jugulum

    Why aren’t Thais and Chinese getting on boats

    You posed the question answer it, could it be they aren’t refugees?

    Getting back to who is coming Tom

    Obviously they are not coming from Thailand.

  139. Armadillo

    What about Indians?

    Self bamming now? The Sri Lankan Tamils can get to India and “safety” – it’s fuck all kilometers away by boat. It’s called Tamil Naidu (a state of India). The locals boast that guys have made the crossing by motor bike across the land bridge at low tide.

  140. sdfc

    So you agree the boat people are mainly refugees. That was a rather long way around.

  141. Carpe Jugulum

    the amount of potential boat people in rural China?

    Yes because nothing says potential boat people than living miles inland in China.

    Your brain hurts doesn’t it.

  142. Gab

    So you agree the boat people are mainly refugees.

    Nope. They are not refugees unless and until the host country does the checks on them and determines it to be the case.

  143. sdfc

    Self bamming now?

    So if the Tamils don’t plonk themselves down in a refugee camp for a decade they are not refugees?

  144. Tom

    The world’s most intrusive and authoritarian military and intelligence apparatus (of which I have had personal experience) has a fair bit to do with why mainland Chinese aren’t heading for Christmas Island, not to mention the fact that China’s is the world’s fast growing economy that will surpass the US’s in the next 20 years. Once again, sdfc, your world isn’t the real world.

  145. Carpe Jugulum

    So you agree the boat people are mainly refugees

    I never mentioned boat people and refugees, your statement was;

    So if people don’t hang around refugee camps for a decade they are not refugees?

    Why do you feel the need to lie?, that is a redundant statement, you obviously have an innate desire to lie, rather pathetic really.

  146. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Habib at 6:33 pm:

    “I encourage the questioning of everything, I also don’t hate anyone …”

    Oh yeah – what about Pommy batsmen? And what has Johnny Wilkinson done to atone?

  147. sdfc

    Gab

    I reckon someone’s personal circumstances rather than paperwork determines whether they are a refugee.

  148. Carpe Jugulum

    So if the Tamils don’t plonk themselves down in a refugee camp for a decade they are not refugees?

    How can people no longer affected by war be called refugees, they can’t be fleeing from a war that doesn’t exist any more.

  149. Gab

    Reckon all you like, sdfc, doesn’t make it factual though.

  150. sdfc

    Yeah because civil wars just stop there is never any political fallout.

  151. Gab

    How much you had to drink tonight, sdfc?

  152. Tel

    They are not refugees unless and until the host country does the checks on them and determines it to be the case.

    I very much suspect that in many cases where people come from places like Afghanistan (where the legal system is sketchy at best) and they have destroyed their identification, there isn’t any way to do a detailed check. We let them sit in some detention center for a few years, a bunch of official guys get well paid to look busy making plenty of phone calls, then we shrug and let them in if nothing significant turns up.

    It’s an elaborate system to give the appearance that our government is doing something. Maybe even now and then then they do screen out a terrorist or a fake refugee. How would you prove it either way?

  153. sdfc

    I guess it boils down to whether you want to sit in judgement of those people or not.

  154. C.L.

    I reckon someone’s personal circumstances rather than paperwork determines whether they are a refugee.

    Well if you can drop 25 large on a people smuggler, you’re not on Struggle Street.

  155. Carpe Jugulum

    I reckon someone’s personal circumstances rather than paperwork determines whether they are a refugee.

    Right so if i destroy all my documentation, arrive unannounced and cry like a bitch that abdul the sheep shagger hates my guts and may hurt me i’m a reffo.

  156. Gab

    I guess it boils down to you sitting in judgment of people who have a bit more knowledge on the subject and prefer to deal in facts and not just emotions, you Sarah Hanson-Dumb wannabe.

  157. Tel

    How can people no longer affected by war be called refugees, they can’t be fleeing from a war that doesn’t exist any more.

    There may well be consequences of losing a civil war that some people might prefer to avoid.

  158. sdfc

    Apparently if you have money you can’t be a refugee. Who’s have thought.

  159. sdfc

    What is your special insight gab? How was the boat ride? Fun?

  160. Gab

    There may well be consequences of losing a civil war that some people might prefer to avoid.

    So we should just fling our borders wide open and let anyone and everyone in who wants to come here and give them plenty of welfare? How many would that be, that’s you allow to arrive?

  161. Carpe Jugulum

    Yeah because civil wars just stop there is never any political fallout.

    You mean like the genocide that followed the American Civil war, oh wait.

    I guess it boils down to whether you want to sit in judgement of those people or not.

    You mean if a sovereign country may decide who comes in or not, rather than accept any economic country shopper who coasts in.

  162. Gab

    oops…that you would allow to arrive?

  163. C.L.

    Screw the poor people in the camps.

    Let’s worry about the people with the cash.

  164. Gab

    Screw the poor people in the camps. Let’s worry about the people with the cash.

    That’s called the Rudd/gillard Method.

  165. sdfc

    Onward Christian soldiers hey CL.

  166. Tel

    I guess it boils down to whether you want to sit in judgement of those people or not.

    Hell no, I don’t want to sit in judgement. I pay enough tax, that’s a job for professionals.

    But if the government is not supposed to be guarding the nation’s borders, what useful purpose does it have? I mean seriously, the Commonwealth of Australia claimed the power of income tax as a war appropriations measure, and it made an absolute promise at the time this was only for the purpose of paying for the First World War. I’m paying income tax all my life despite never even being alive for either of the World Wars, and now I’m told that secure borders are not achievable.

    Fine, disband the Commonwealth, they have demonstrated themselves no longer competent at their primary task. After that we can discuss what to do instead.

  167. Carpe Jugulum

    Onward Christian soldiers hey CL.

    You’re trying to divert, stay on topic and answer the questions that have been asked. You idiots are so predictable.

  168. Tel

    So we should just fling our borders wide open and let anyone and everyone in who wants to come here and give them plenty of welfare? How many would that be, that’s you allow to arrive?

    Errr, no that’s not what I said. Not even approximately what I said.

  169. candy

    We’re getting down to tintacs!

    sdfc, do you care for refugees in your home? help out at church? involve yourself with neighbours from a different country and what do you do as an individual to help refugees/asylums seekers on a practical basis?

    Details please!

  170. jumpnmcar

    People, back to the topic.
    Australia IS a bonza place to live and raise a family.
    It is also true that too many lack the motivation to contribute, and it’s getting worse.
    What can turn this around.
    I think making the able bodied ” non-contributer ” less comfortable.

  171. Gab

    Tel

    How can people no longer affected by war be called refugees, they can’t be fleeing from a war that doesn’t exist any more.

    There may well be consequences of losing a civil war that some people might prefer to avoid.

    Okay, so what are you saying here?

  172. C.L.

    Onward Christian soldiers hey CL.

    If you’re implying that Christians should not preference the rich over the poor, you’re right.

    Congratulations. Welcome to Morrisonville.

  173. Tel

    I’m saying that people might still have good reason to leave a country where they just recently lost a civil war. Doubly so if that war was fought on ethnic/religious grounds and you can easily be identified as belonging to the losing side.

    I’m not saying that Australia is automatically obliged to accept every single refugee in the world, which is what you were implying.

  174. sdfc

    Tel

    I’m not against efforts to stem the influx of boat people, I just think the attitude of fat Westerners to refugees is pretty off. Let’s not forget the subject of the post.

    Yes Candy the old standby. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with whether the boat people are refugees or not.

    What would Jesus’ attitude to the reffos be I wonder.

  175. Gab

    Ok understand, you’re sprouting emotive rhetoric. Cool.

  176. sdfc

    I think Dover has patented that defence Gab.

  177. Gab

    Then I’m in excellent company and glad to be so.

  178. Tom

    So you don’t support orderly national borders, sdfc?

  179. sdfc

    I’m pretty sure I said that a few comments up Tom.

  180. candy

    Yes Candy the old standby. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with whether the boat people are refugees or not.
    What would Jesus’ attitude to the reffos be I wonder.

    I think Jesus would say put your money where your mouth is. Take them into your home, sdfc, if you feel so very strongly and don’t be a hypocrite because Jesus can see through that.

  181. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Australia IS a bonza place to live and raise a family

    I’ve stood outside the Hungarian Parliament, and seen the bullet holes in the walls where the secret police turned machine guns on a peaceful protest in 1956, and seen the “house of horror” – the museum of the secret police, again in Hungary – that’s enough to chill the marrow of your bones, and seen the “killing fields” of Cambodia, and a few other choice examples of “man’s blind indifference to his fellow man.” Australia isn’t so bad after all.

  182. sdfc

    It’s the best mate. What other country has the footy for a start.

  183. Carpe Jugulum

    Australia IS a bonza place to live and raise a family.
    It is also true that too many lack the motivation to contribute, and it’s getting worse.

    That jump is part of the problem, when the incompetents got to retain government in 2010, that was enough, we bailed out to Japan, does it have problems , sure, but here you can educate your children with out the greenslime indoctrination. Live your life as you want as long as you are polite to people and wait in line and be dignified about it. The bonus is that people just leave you alone to live your life.

  184. Armadillo

    So if the Tamils don’t plonk themselves down in a refugee camp for a decade they are not refugees?

    sdfc, go and find out how many Tamils are living in India and get back to me.

    As far as Iran is concerned, as I said my wife was born there. We live in Tamworth where both our families are from. Mrs A speaks some “Farsi”. There are quite a few “refugees” from Iran in rural Australia. Mrs A works in a bank and often hears their conversations in the queue (in Farsi of course). Being a “ocker” sheilah she likes to surprise them. Considering how the Iranians treated the very people who were helping them emerge into a modern country, there is a deep distrust from Mrs A. Be under no illusions. Send money home to bring more here – that is the game.

  185. Carpe Jugulum

    What would Jesus’ attitude to the reffos be I wonder.

    On cue sdfc seeks the last refuge he has after being belted.

    What a p1ssweak effort.

  186. sdfc

    Armadillo

    I would have thought Iranians in rural areas would be a good thing.

  187. sdfc

    Not coming on rickety boats Pete.

  188. Tom

    If you support orderly national borders, you can’t complain that we stop country shoppers from queue-jumping, sdfc. It’s not a perfect world, but an orderly queue is an improvement on the chaos of the past six years. Of course, I understand it’s hard for you to reconcile that when it’s well-known the Abbott satan eats Third World children.

  189. Carpe Jugulum

    sdfc, backs off a girly man, how unexpected

  190. sdfc

    Tom

    Have you been following the conversation? It seems like you haven’t.

  191. sdfc

    Backs off from what? You’re just looking sad, I don’t want to contribute to your meltdown.

  192. Dan

    Open borders and a welfare state cannot coexist, pretty bloody simple whatever your politics

  193. Carpe Jugulum

    Not coming on rickety boats Pete.

    So you’d be happier if NZ nationals were coming on unseaworthy boats and drowning? you sick shit.
    Then again the left seems to celebrate people dieing.

  194. sdfc

    No one is arguing for open boarders as far as I know.

  195. Dan

    I reckon someone’s personal circumstances rather than paperwork determines whether they are a refugee.

    Well if you can drop 25 large on a people smuggler, you’re not on Struggle Street.

    Not at all true.

    My relatives were people smugglers and smugglees (?) during WWII and I know it is more complicated than that.
    But we can’t take them all so there has to be some control mechanism no matter how nice we want to be.

  196. Carpe Jugulum

    Backs off from what? You’re just looking sad

    Yet you’ve become so mush more passive, what a pussy, typical beta male.

  197. jumpnmcar

    So you’d be happier if NZ nationals were coming on unseaworthy boats and drowning? you sick shit.

    wtf.

  198. sdfc

    Look at me look at me. Please.

  199. Carpe Jugulum

    sdfc, tell us about the Thai refugees, your statemnt back it up.

  200. sdfc

    Exactly, where are the Thai boat people?

  201. Carpe Jugulum

    Look at me look at me. Please.

    Welcome my red haired step child

  202. sdfc

    So you hate reffos and redheads.

  203. Carpe Jugulum

    Exactly, where are the Thai boat people?

    You stated that there were Thai boat people, prove it.

  204. Carpe Jugulum

    So you hate reffos and redheads

    Colorist, you openly discriminate against rangas.

  205. sdfc

    You are pretty stupid aren’t you Carpe. It was my argument that there are no Thai boat people. You must be really desperate for attention.

  206. will

    No one is arguing for open boarders as far as I know.

    The default Liars Party position is open borders. You turn up on a boat, claim to be a refugee, and if you stick to your story of persecution, get to stay and access welfare. The number returned was zero.

  207. sdfc

    Pssst Will

    Don’t tell anyone but not only a I not a member of the ALP but I didn’t vote for them either.

  208. jumpnmcar

    Struth-a-rama, this is like the 2004 GF. (gAyFL)
    All hay makers and no blood.
    Gotta love this Country. :)

  209. Tom

    That’s a cute red-headed step child you have there, Carpe.

  210. sdfc

    Shit Tom how sad do you have to be to be standing behind the little guy at the back.

  211. Carpe Jugulum

    sdfc have you found any of those Thai asylum seekers yet. Your assertion not mine.

  212. Carpe Jugulum

    Perhaphps they are hanging out with those alylum seekers from upper rouchel.

  213. Carpe Jugulum

    Time to be abed, sdfc, i own you like a used car, no prize for second princess, at least try to get your story straight. Pretty sad really.

    *walks off high fiveing*

  214. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From jumpnmcar at 11:26 pm:

    “Struth-a-rama, this is like the 2004 GF. (gAyFL)
    All hay makers and no blood.”

    And how the crowd loved it, they always do! Fat Andy will have that educated out of them in time.

    After a decade or several I say I have seen about 3 well executed punches on the field in all codes, including those righteously thrown by my good self.

    That’s probably a good thing when one recalls the size of Alistair Lynch – if he had his upper body properly behind a straight right they’d stay down until next year’s pre season!

  215. Combine_Dave

    Open borders and a welfare state cannot coexist, pretty bloody simple whatever your politics

    Cut the welfare state and I’d imagine you suddenly wouldn’t have a problem with borders open or otherwise, the current boat trickle will reduce further… freeing up our lazy immi officials to process the visa applications of more worthy entrants.

  216. jumpnmcar

    sdfc
    #1133707, posted on January 3, 2014 at 9:57 pm
    Let me spell it out. Why aren’t Thais and Chinese getting on boats?

    Carpe Jugulum
    #1133849, posted on January 3, 2014 at 11:31 pm
    sdfc have you found any of those Thai asylum seekers yet. Your assertion not mine.

    Doesn’t add up.

  217. Lem

    Thanks for the laughs team. Carpe you are in particularly fine slapping form. sdfc is to be congratulated for doing that punching clown thing off always bobbing back up. Other great appearances too numerous to mention. G’night.

  218. 2dogs

    Why are the boat people inevitably from countries like Afghanistan, Sri Lanka etc

    This is where they say they have come from. Actual origins may vary.

  219. Oh come on

    SDFC doesn’t think Australia’s welfare state is a significant pull factor. He stated that if it was, we’d see refugees from many more countries. Where are the Thai refugees?

    Well, they don’t come here because they know they wouldn’t be able to get political asylum. Same with most other developing countries – people aren’t going to risk the cost of getting here if there’s a very high chance that their nationality’s going to mean they don’t qualify for a humanitarian visa and are almost certainly going to be sent back home.

    But we get refugees from every country whose nationals may qualify for a humanitarian visa. Let’s not forget that people who don’t come from such countries often pretend they do. ie. Pakistanis who somehow misplace their passports but are all Hazara Afghanis. Convenient.

    We still get the odd Vietnamese boat – they’re still dining out on the Vietnam War and reckon they face persecution due to wartime conduct or allegiances etc – which is almost certainly palpable nonsense considering the political situation there, but anyhoo – point is they give it a crack. They are economic refugees.

    There are no Chinese, Brazilians, Indians etc on refugee boats because they know they wouldn’t stand a chance with the passport they hold.

  220. Fisky

    What would Jesus’ attitude to the reffos be I wonder.

    Same as Jesus’ attitude to state affairs in general – “Render unto Caesar…”

  221. Oh come on

    Nonsense, Fisk. When the godless* left wants to hijack Jesus, he’ll do, say or think whatever they want him to do, say or think.

    *well, apart from the State, of course.

  222. struth

    Fight who Struth? The people you’re slagging off might have actually seen some real fighting, not posting macho bullshit on a website full of like-minded people, but real, ugly violence that we are blessed not to have here. And before you come the ‘they’re just after life in a better economy’, how on earth would you know?

    Alf you assume alot. I’m sorry if stating facts to you seems like macho bullshit. You don’t know me, however let me assure you that I do alot more to fight leftism than make comments on this blog.
    What do you do for the good of this country?
    Basically, seeing you feel free to make wild baseless claims about me, I will also start assuming.
    Based on your comment, I assume you are a left wing moron, with no real life experience. I could be wrong, but if a lack of facts doesn’t stop you, why should it stop me?

  223. struth

    Yobbo is unfortunately correct. Australia may suit some people.
    It doesn’t suit adventurous, entrepreneurial, fun seeking people who thrive on building private enterprise growth and in doing so show Australia as a vibrant attractive place. That’s why we have no real tourist industry.
    We did have.
    But overbearing bureaucracy and regulation stifled those people . Yet some still like to just blame the dollar. As somebody with many years in the tourist industry, I can safely tell you we BORED our international market away. Take Ayers Rock. Go there now and if you are white, you feel like coming away and slitting your wrists, such has the politics of the left taken over. Over the top regulation by the rangers has people from overseas scratching their heads. I bring up Ayers rock as it is a good reference as to what has happened to the entire nation.

  224. Mr Rusty

    Australia the best place to live and work in the world

    Read that headline and it reminded me of this.

  225. Oh come on

    Yep, when you hear Germans and Scandinavians expressing surprise at how over-regulated we are, you can see we have a problem.

  226. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mr Rusty at 12:51 pm:

    ” Australia the best place to live and work in the world

    Read that headline and it reminded me of this.”

    I’ll plead ignorance – I have seen that fellow as a support actor I think.

    That piece is, I assume, from a film. His monologue would be torpedoed within the first fifteen seconds – shouting, whistling, feet stamping, laughter – if it were a real situation because he defies all the left stands for.

  227. Notafan

    Take Ayers Rock. Go there now and if you are white, you feel like coming away and slitting your wrists, such has the politics of the left taken over

    Ayers Rock/Uluru has just about died as a tourist destination? I heard the organisation that runs the hotel etc is in financial trouble.

  228. Mr Rusty

    I’ll plead ignorance – I have seen that fellow as a support actor I think.

    It’s from a series called The Newsroom that was on Foxtel (Fox 8?) last year. I watched a couple of episodes, not bad…
    The clip kind of went viral on You Tube, lots of views and comments.

    This isn’t bad either.

  229. Alf

    Basically, seeing you feel free to make wild baseless claims about me, I will also start assuming.
    Based on your comment, I assume you are a left wing moron, with no real life experience. I could be wrong, but if a lack of facts doesn’t stop you, why should it stop me?

    Not baseless Struth, just making conclusions based on your ignorant post.

  230. struth

    Great comeback Alf, “cough”…………you lose.

  231. sdfc

    Who said anything about Jesus and government policy Fisky? The issue is whether Jesus would condone sitting in judgement of people you don’t know.

  232. Oh come on

    What’s that got to do with anything, sdfc? You don’t have to ‘know’ someone to judge them based on their actions.

    And do you still claim that the Australian welfare system is NOT a substantial pull factor for asylum seekers wishing to enter Australia illegally?

  233. sdfc

    I think Australia itself is likely a pull factor. However that does not make the boat people not refugees.

    We also know there are significant push factors. Otherwise the boat people would be from a wider range of countries.

    Just to be clear having initiative and some money does not exclude people from being refugees.

  234. Oh come on

    No, that’s not correct. As I mentioned above, we don’t see refugees from a wider range of countries because we only accept humanitarian refugees from a small number of nations. So you either need to be a national of one of those countries, or be able to convincingly pass yourself off as one to stand a chance of not being summarily deported. That basic stipulation excludes the vast majority of the world’s economically disadvantaged. It’s why we don’t see Thai or Chinese boatpeople, but we do see the occasional boatload of Vietnamese trying to claim they face persecution. They’re 35-40 years too late, but they obviously figure our government’s a soft touch.

  235. kae

    Tel at 10:29

    I very much suspect that in many cases where people come from places like Afghanistan (where the legal system is sketchy at best) and they have destroyed their identification, there isn’t any way to do a detailed check. We let them sit in some detention center for a few years, a bunch of official guys get well paid to look busy making plenty of phone calls, then we shrug and let them in if nothing significant turns up.

    There is a lot of checking, people who know the area from which the reffo says they’re from ask detailed questions about where the local x shop is and the name of the person who owns the shop and other things like that. What the names of streets are and which streets you’d take to get from A to B etc. The claims can be checked, but it takes a lot of time.

  236. sabrina

    About Indians and Chinese – visit Box Hill, Glen Waverly, Blackburn, Wheelers Hill in Victoria; Hurstville, Burwood, Campsie, Strathfield in Sydney. The demographics and shops in these areas have changed considerably in the last 15 years.

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