The spirit of Turney

Andrew Bolt’s most informative post has now shown up on Instapundit. Something’s cracking, and it’s not the ice around the warmists’ ship is about the single greatest practical demonstration in the entire global warming fraud that the people, these scientists, at the centre of this scam have almost no idea of anything to do with the real world or things like the actual weather. Although now rescued at great expense, both in terms of money and genuine scientific endeavours, the sentiments found in the opening of Andrew’s post should now adhere to the entire global warming enterprise from now until forever:

The expedition of warmists now on a Russian ship trapped in ice is called “Spirit of Mawson” in honor of explorer Douglas Mawson who, a century ago, spent two years on Antarctica during which he lost two colleagues on a trek. Mawson himself survived only by eating his huskies and trudging back on feet that had lost the skin of the soles.

Guardian journalist Laurence Topham on the ‘Spirit of Mawson’ now demonstrates how that spirit lives on in this ship of warmists, awaiting rescue by helicopter after a week trapped in ice they’d assumed was melting away:

It is quite stressful… I miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes… I’ve got this really thin, small bed… I’ve hurt my back… I jammed my leg in the door last night… And it’s only going to get worse… Stranded in ice. Oh, God I’m going mad.

I doubt there will be a commemorative expedition in a hundred years to remember this particular trip although there should be as a reminder of our own modern version of the Mississippi Bubble, tulip mania and the madness of crowds.

UPDATE: Hitler and Chris Turney vid with thanks from Lloyd

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202 Responses to The spirit of Turney

  1. JC

    It is quite stressful… I miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes…

    The idiot should be left to perish for this alone.

  2. Habib

    They really are precious, aren’t they? I’ddlike to see such gits humping 40 kg of pack and full body armour around the sandpit at 50+C. Pansies.

  3. Gab

    What a pathetic excuse for a “man”.

  4. Notafan

    I don’t know how a real person could miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes. It’s like missing being bitten by mosquitoes. Nobody does that.

  5. James of the Glen

    Ah yes, Topham of the Antarctic.

    Did he order an airdrop of fresh onesie pj’s, too?

  6. Peter56

    Habib, do the sheilas have to hump that much as well? I remember during my 23 years in the Navy, that they weren’t allowed to lift anything heavier than 38lbs, and when it all went equal opportunity that rule still applied, and probably still does.
    And I am sure Douglas Mawson is turning over, knowing that these pillocks have used his name, a name that is synonomous for courage, courage that will possibly never be equaled, for this idiotic and foolhardy venture.

  7. Habib

    Certainly in training, pack weights start at 20kg. As a pusser on an army base it’s optional for me, an option I haven’t taken up yet. In the field it’s usually about 40 kg plus weapon, armour and ammo. Depends on the patrol duration, SF often carry more, especially food and water. CDs attached to SAS/2CDO carry more as they get to play with IEDs, same for hound handlers as they have to cart woofer tucker and water, also have to be able to lift and carry snookums in full kit. Pongos are welcome to that bollocks.

  8. Habib

    Also get to cart their own poo, bring plenty of zip-lock bags if you’re prone to getting the shits.

  9. Abu Chowdah

    40 kilos and body armour at 50+ degrees, hey? Sounds incredible!

  10. stackja

    South Sea Company From Wikipedia
    Company stock rose greatly in value as it expanded its operations dealing in government debt, peaking in 1720 before collapsing to little above its original flotation price; this became known as the South Sea Bubble.
    A number of politicians were disgraced and persons found to have profited unlawfully from the company had assets confiscated proportionately to their gains (most had already been rich men and remained comfortably rich).

  11. ken n

    Bloody tourists getting in the way of real scientists

    Yves Frenot, director of the French Polar Institute, said he had no issue with rescuing those aboard the stricken vessel but said this had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica.
    The rescue mission forced French scientists to scrap a two-week oceanographic campaign this month using the Astrolabe.
    “But we are relatively lucky,” he said.
    “The Chinese have had to cancel all their scientific programme, and my counterpart in Australia is spitting tacks with anger, because their entire summer has been wiped out.”
    The trip on the Akademik Shokalskiy was aimed at emulating a 1911-1914 expedition by the Australian explorer, Sir Douglas Mawson and Frenot said “this kind of commemorative expedition has no interest from a scientific point of view”.

  12. Fisky

    It is quite stressful… I miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes… I’ve got this really thin, small bed… I’ve hurt my back… I jammed my leg in the door last night… And it’s only going to get worse… Stranded in ice. Oh, God I’m going mad.

    Sounds like one of the LP beta boys. Anyone seen Mark B lately?

  13. ella

    Charles MacKay - Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
    believed that when mankind entered the period of scientific knowledge the manic crowd behaviour would cease. Mackay never considered that some scientists would be similarly afflicted.

    At the top of the Instapundit link Ed Driscoll’s, The Closing of the Left Wing Mind, alludes to the late
    Allan Bloom’s Closing of the American Mind – still a good read.

  14. Fisky

    The rescue mission forced French scientists to scrap a two-week oceanographic campaign this month using the Astrolabe.
    “But we are relatively lucky,” he said.
    “The Chinese have had to cancel all their scientific programme, and my counterpart in Australia is spitting tacks with anger, because their entire summer has been wiped out.”

    Abbott had better not soft-cock this one. These scum must be made to pay for the damage they have inflicted on scientific research.

  15. Habib

    Typo, 40+. Still no females in the infantry or SF yet, for some reason they seem reluctant to embark on a career involving carrying your house on your back, digging holes, crawling around and getting shot at. To the best of my knowledge there’s no female ADGies either, though plenty go on boarding parties with the RAN, and are often molested by those fleeing persecution.

  16. A Lurker

    It is quite stressful… I miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes… I’ve got this really thin, small bed… I’ve hurt my back… I jammed my leg in the door last night… And it’s only going to get worse… Stranded in ice. Oh, God I’m going mad.

    Oh…My…God, indeed. How could the poor diddums cope? Just think they were all just a hair’s breath from perishing from their lack of banana and peanut butter milkshakes, and not to mention the terrible agonies they must have all suffered from insufficient bunk space and thin mattresses. Oh the inhumanity of it all. I’m sure they’ll be all able to claim post-traumatic stress disorder from their ordeal.

    What a bunch of namby, pamby, coddled, invertebrate princesses they all must be.

    Truly this is proof that the human race is de-evolving.

  17. Fisky

    In a debriefing on the rescue mission yesterday, Australian Maritime Safety Authority general manager John Young said the ships involved in the rescue would each be responsible for their own costs.

    The costs, which would run to millions of dollars, could ultimately result in legal action between the ships’ insurance companies and the owners of the stranded Russian research vessel that sparked the rescue.

    Filth. Sue the fuckers. Bankrupt them all.

  18. gabrianga

    Perhaps Turney’s “other interest” the alternative solutions Carbonscape could offer to pick up the tab for yet another fail to blame “Global Warming” on mankind?

  19. JC

    Fisk

    I’m not sure what financial risk the passengers would be taking on though. I would have thought the cost is absorbed by the ship owners.

  20. Alfonso

    Luvvies protest prospective shark culling off a few Perth beaches used by humans, in the irrational spirit of Turney. Their narrative pretends that it somehow endangers Great Whites, Tigers and Bull sharks that have the rest of the vast WA coastline to swim eat and make little sharks in.
    Next a cull of some of the NTs 80,000 big salties, resident around habitation like Darwin harbour and dangerous as cancer. Hunting has the magical effect 0f turning bold diurnal predators into shy nocturnal operators. Good thinking.

  21. Joseph

    PROFESSOR Chris Turney and his climate scientist/Activists colleague are now referred to as “passengers” in the MSM due to their MONSTER FAIL. How embarassing for them!! And how costly for us taxpayers. Abbott should reduce the funding for the Uni of NSW who sponsored Turney and his mates by $1.5 million by a similar amount PLUS the cost of rescuing these DILLS. IT’S OUR MONEY CHRIS.

  22. johanna

    The pathetic Topham,who misses his baby food and his mummy, is of course employed by The UK Graundian. He was “embedded” (if not to his usual 5 star hotel standards) to report back on how the Antarctic was melting like a slushie in the sun because of evil fossil fuels.

    The Graundian, like most of the MSM, ran dead on the scientific aspects of the trip as soon as they got into trouble.

  23. stackja

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  24. Mindfree

    Even the US blog my wife looks at

    http://grouchyoldcripple.com/

    has Turney as his AOTW (Asshole Of The Week) (although he did spell the name incorrectly)

  25. Michaelc58

    Ship of climate model gaming fools.
    ‘In Antartica, no one can hear you parametrize’.
    You can’t make the ice obey by tweaking a parameter.
    In the 21st century, man came to prefer computer simulated realities over the real world in science, entertainment and social interaction and for some reason civilisation collapsed soon after.

  26. Aussieute

    Straits Times gets in on the act as well …

    PARIS (AFP) – The head of France’s polar science institute voiced fury on Friday at the misadventures of a Russian ship trapped in Antarctic ice, deriding what he called a tourists’ trip that had diverted resources from real science.
    In an interview with AFP, Yves Frenot, director of the French Polar Institute, said he had no issue at all with rescuing those aboard the stricken vessel.
    But, he said, the trip itself was a “pseudo-scientific expedition” that, because it had run into difficulties, had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica. “There’s no reason to place Antarctica off-limits and to keep it just for scientists, but this tourism has to be monitored and regulated so that operators can be sure of getting help if need be,” he said.
    The Russian vessel, the Akademik Shokalskiy, became stuck on December 24 in frozen seas, 100 nautical miles east of the French Antarctic base, Dumont d’Urville.
    - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/world/story/french-polar-chief-derides-antarctic-cruise-jaunt-20140104#sthash.g1cqC2SC.dpuf

  27. cynical1

    gabrianga
    #1134687, posted on January 4, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Perhaps Turney’s “other interest” the alternative solutions Carbonscape could offer to pick up the tab for yet another fail to blame “Global Warming” on mankind?

    Yes, what an absolute fucking disgrace. Vested interests, and paying the bills with taxpayer funds.

    This Turney is lower than an adder’s anus.

    Immediate inquiry into this whole fucking fiasco.

  28. Harry Buttle

    Imagine for a moment that you did miss banana and peanut butter milkshakes, why on earth would you feel the urge to tell anyone?

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mackay never considered that some scientists would be similarly afflicted.

    More than “some”. The politicization of science has been widespread and pernicious in many fields. A Yale professor went off the reservation a few days ago with this fine essay:

    The Closing of the Scientific Mind

    That science should face crises in the early 21st century is inevitable. Power corrupts, and science today is the Catholic Church around the start of the 16th century: used to having its own way and dealing with heretics by excommunication, not argument.

    Science is caught up, also, in the same educational breakdown that has brought so many other proud fields low. Science needs reasoned argument and constant skepticism and open-mindedness. But our leading universities have dedicated themselves to stamping them out—at least in all political areas. We routinely provide superb technical educations in science, mathematics, and technology to brilliant undergraduates and doctoral students. But if those same students have been taught since kindergarten that you are not permitted to question the doctrine of man-made global warming, or the line that men and women are interchangeable, or the multiculturalist idea that all cultures and nations are equally good (except for Western nations and cultures, which are worse), how will they ever become reasonable, skeptical scientists? They’ve been reared on the idea that questioning official doctrine is wrong, gauche, just unacceptable in polite society. (And if you are president of Harvard, it can get you fired.)

    I hope this guy has tenure and a thick skin, since Yale is ground zero for lefty colonization. Even if they cannot get rid of him they will make his life a misery.

    I am very sad about this as I have always loved science and it has been a privilege to have been able to do it for a living.

    I can’t wait for the CAGW scam to die a deserved death. Unfortunately that won’t fix the rest of science now that the left covets it.

  30. Tardell G

    Who in Jehovah’s name puts peanut butter in a milkshake?
    He probably masturbates with lo-fat mayo instead of lube as well.

  31. cohenite

    The point is Turney and the rest of these wankers are the ones pushing AGW and its remedies such as renewables which if really implemented would take society back about 150 years with real suffering and misery. These people are delusional because they think their pampered lifestyles can continue while their moral indulgences are catered for.

    I really doubt whether any wake-up call is possible for these people; if the lights went out they would blame other people and do anything rather than concede they are wrong. It is a dreadful state of affairs when public policy is being generated which is destructive and wrong. It is like being in a vehicle slowly heading towards a cliff and not being able to stop it.

  32. Alf

    The idiot should be left to perish for this alone.

    Yes, that well known climate scientist Andrew Bolt should indeed be left to perish. He’s a know-nothing know-all with a big mouth and a political agenda that stands out like the proverbial dog’s bollocks. You’d be better dismissing this blow-hard’s baseless opinions and listening to people who have some eminence in their field, like Turney perhaps. Oh, but it’s cold in New York in winter, my goodness, that’s compelling evidence for you.

  33. Gab

    Awww, poor Alfie got his panties in a twist.

  34. cynical1

    “some eminence in their field, like Turney perhaps”.

    Fuck me .

    As far as trolls go, perhaps you are the Turney of that field…

  35. johanna

    The Chinese icebreaker which sent out the helicopter to rescue their sorry asses is also stuck in ice. It is only stuck there because it spent a week hanging around trying to save them.

    As properly equipped and trained polar mariners, they are saying they are fine for the time being, no need to rescue them.

    Reported in the Fauxfacts travel section, of course. Chinese icebreakers are apparently just tourist ships.

  36. johanna

    Eminence in the field?

    Turney, just like Tim Flannery, is actually a palaentologist who jumped on the bandwagon.

  37. jumpnmcar

    The arseholes are still fundraising for the expedition that they’ve abandoned.
    And going at a cracking rate too.
    Yesterdays total was $400 odd.
    Now $1000.
    The target is $ 49,000.
    The support from the community has been less than enthusiastic. lol.
    Top right hand corner.

  38. Tardell G

    “Oh, but it’s cold in New York in winter, my goodness, that’s compelling evidence for you.”
    So true brother! It’s 38c here = global warming.
    I arrest my case your honour!

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    listening to people who have some eminence in their field

    Alf, pony up some climate data then. I am very happy to discuss it with you. PhD in science and 30 years in R&D here, even with some in climate related areas.

    If you think Bolt is unqualified, well, I am. Empirical ECS is about 0.7 C/doubling on my own independent determination and that is quite harmless. (I updated my small model with the latest HadCET data a couple days ago. Still going well, which is better than you can say about the IPCC ensemble models. The CET was quite cold last year. I’ll post a graph in a day or two when I get around to it.)

  40. Bruce of Newcastle

    Betcha he does a Sir Robin…

  41. cohenite

    Bruce, the Gerlenter essay you link to is about misanthropy which underpins AGW. The misanthropic tendencies, indeed basis, of AGW has been well documented:

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/39750.html

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/our-abc-green-narrative.html

    It really is a bizarre psychology which wishes the human race to be extinct.

  42. Ronaldo

    I hope this guy has tenure and a thick skin

    David Gelernter, the author of the article Bruce linked to has been publishing marvellous stuff, which would be infuriating most of his Yale colleagues, for years, including, most recently, America-Lite: how imperial academia dismantled our culture. He was one of the targets of the Unabomber, and write a remarkable book reflecting on his experiences and recovery from his injuries. It is called Drawing Life.

  43. jumpnmcar

    This is going to cost a fortune if they are in Australian Territory.
    And were is that shitbag Paddy Crumlin of MUA fame bleating about the hardships and compensation for the crew?
    Ya gotta hand it to leftfilth, they stick together better than the right.

  44. Alf

    Bruce, I don’t claim to be a scientist of any sort – but I know enough to take seriously the broad consensus of those who are expert. Science is a broad field, is your PhD in climate science – you said you’ve done something in the climate field? The conspiracy theorists are surely wrong about there being a conspiracy, and the people who think climate change is rubbish may or may not be proven right. But on a risk management basis alone, I’d take it seriously. Your own model may or may not be right, but how does it stack up against the majority of models done by those in the field?

  45. johanna

    I’d think carefully about taking Bruce on, Alf. I know who he is and a bit about his model. He has more hard science in his little toe than palaentologist Turney has in his whole sorry carcass.

    I’ll leave it to him to give you the news about his modest little model.

  46. Motelier

    Hold on a minute Bruce.

    Before you bam Alf into the ice, let me get some cheese, water crackers, and wine.

    I am going to enjoy this.

  47. James of the Glen

    Cohenite @5:52 : very well said.

  48. cohenite

    Your own model may or may not be right, but how does it stack up against the majority of models done by those in the field?

    Fuck me, the AGW models; these, these and these. Are those what you mean?

    The IPCC climate models are so bad they cannot even predict the past or hindcast as Koutsoyiannis has showed.

    Now show an example of a successful climate model, GCM, prediction or fuck off.

  49. Tintarella di Luna

    What a pathetic excuse for a “man”.

    Gab it comes from the feminised education of teachers and the the consequent feminisation of the classroom

  50. Pete of Perth

    Reminds me of this south park episode

  51. srr

    So, Bolt isn’t a Climate ‘scientist’.

    All data he’s gathered, all shared views, reviews, discussions, debates, tests, and debate and test results in Bolt’s compilation of such scientific processes, you Alf, declare everyone else must ignore?

    Well then I suppose we should strip all scientific knowledge of everything gathered, observed, studied and tested by all amateur naturalists, thinkers etc., throughout human history, and start all over again.

    Pathetic how many of the envy diseased Leftists, can’t bring themselves to thank God for families who paid for their children to collect butterflies, rocks and generally ramble over the world observing, weighing, measuring and Diligently Doing Good Science for the benefit of mankind.

  52. that well known climate scientist Andrew Bolt

    This is the standard silliness from awarmists, that only a “climate scientist” is qualified to discuss their silly, unproven, pseudo-scientific conjecture of CAGW.
    No, the arguments put forward by propagandists for awarmism are arguments and, accordingly, any literate person who understands logical reasoning is qualified to rebut arguments; furthermore, most of the arguments of awarmists are fantastical, flawed and fallacious, full of fanciful fabrications and falsehoods, and very easily refuted.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle

    Alf – My PhD is in chemistry from the Uni of Sydney. I have done professional work in CCS, solar energy and geoengineering. I have lengthy qualifications in computer and statistical modelling. Maybe one climate scientist in ten would have more relevant qualifications. Mike Mann is a physicist. Will Steffen as I recall is a chemist like me. John Abrahams is a mechanical engineer. I could go on.

    Your own model may or may not be right, but how does it stack up against the majority of models done by those in the field?

    The problem with the IPCC ensemble models is they validate to the 20th C temperature record and other data. Basically they are doing the same thing as multiple regression models. The problem with this is you have to have the right inputs or your model will suffer from “omitted variable bias“. This is where if you leave out statistically significant variables the remaining variables are over-egged to fit the data by the regression algorithm.

    In the IPCC ensemble models the full solar forcing and the forcing from the 60 year cycle in the oceans have been left out and nearly all the warming is assumed to be because of greenhouse gases. These two omitted variables caused about 5/6ths of the warming last century. My small model includes these and does fit the temperature record. The IPCC models leave them out and the CO2 climate sensitivity they derive is thus 6 times too high because of the omission bias. As you know the IPCC models failed to predict the flat temperatures of the last 17 years because CO2 kept going up but the Sun and ocean forcings retreated.

    This morning Rudiau posted a link to this article which shows just how much work has been quietly happening on the solar side:

    71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

    I could probably find at least hundred more if I tried. The Sun was at a multimillenial peak in activity in about 2005. Now it is falling back in activity to a quite deep minimum. So the snow in the US this week (a 20 year peak it said on the 7 Network evening news just now) and the record Antarctic sea ice Turney got stuck in is no surprise.

  54. srr

    It really is a bizarre psychology which wishes the human race to be extinct.

    It is the The First and Last Card they have to play against The One they hate, The Creator and Saviour of Life.

    Leftist Greenie WARM AS HADES Abortionist etc. Religions, are all Sects of Luciferianism.

    ‘What is man’, …..

  55. cohenite

    Where’d Alf go ?

    He’s doing a Diogenes looking for an honest AGW model.

  56. srr

    Good to see that, “Hitler Trapped In Sea Ice”, video, pop up at the top of this topic.

    I tweeted it to a much followed comedian, earlier today; one of those known for, ‘pissing off the hip set, with in your face, unpopular truths, while getting even more influential, rather than blackballed’, types.

    I only just joined twitter to do just that, but I’m sure you all know twitterers who follow lots of even more influential comedic stars, who’s followers as are desperately waiting for someone they love and trust to laugh at those we all want to laugh at.

  57. Abu Chowdah

    Crushed like a bug!

  58. Tel

    You’d be better dismissing this blow-hard’s baseless opinions and listening to people who have some eminence in their field, like Turney perhaps.

    Prof Turney certainly has eminence in his chosen field of money wastage. I count his recent wastage at about 8 Snowcones… not bad.

    However, Obamacare still beats him, by a significant margin with more to come. If I every happen to become insanely wealthy and need serious amounts of money wasted, I’ll go to the professionals.

  59. Andrew

    @Bruce, I had a crack at the data too. (For Alf’s benefit, I have 4.5 grad or higher science / quant qualifications.) The 60 yr PDO is statistically significant in my model to about 17 sigma level, and hugely overcooked the Late 20th Century Warm Period. The hiatus is no surprise at all. Even though I have CO2 as the major forcing, our grand kids won’t live long enough to see +1C from here. Not surprisingly, climate sensitivity to CO2 is pretty much what has been known for 150 years – about 1C.

    Of course, that’s where all the climate science is coming back to. Monckton reported on the IPCCs latest draft, suggesting 1.3C per century is the latest official estimate. In that case, we can all agree that mitigation costs way more than its worth and go home.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    Knowing what needs to be done in the area of social life that worries me into anaemia when I see such waste I’m prone to vant a little’, -actually make that a lot.

  61. HK_Brother

    $400,000 hit for ice rescue revealed
    => http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/hit-for-ice-rescue-revealed/story-fn59nm2j-1226794662899#


    TAXPAYERS will foot a $400,000 bill for the rescue of a group of climate scientists, tourists and journalists from a stranded Russian research vessel – an operation that has blown the contingency budget of Australia’s Antarctic program and disrupted its scientific work.



    Are those Climate worshipping a-holes happy now?

    Find them (passenger manifest) and bill them. Humilate them politically and acadmically. Smash their public reputation.

  62. Tel

    Perhaps Turney’s “other interest” the alternative solutions Carbonscape could offer to pick up the tab for yet another fail to blame “Global Warming” on mankind?

    It would be tempting to think the “Company Man” who chartered the ship was working for Carbonscape as a sales and marketing agent. Then again, maybe working for UNSW as a researcher. I have a feeling some arguments to this effect might pop up when the lawyers parachute in. I did a quick google search on the relevant law and got the summary:

    “Company Man” independent contractor defense: no principal liability for independent contractors unless:
    * ultrahazardous activity
    * principal retains operational control

    Company Man not liable unless
    * Close supervision by principal
    * Principal orders unsafe practices by contractor

    Seems pretty borderline in this case, I could imagine arguments for either side. Could become a famous precedent case for Maritime Law: Prof Turney vs The Ruskies. Fascinating!

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    The 60 yr PDO is statistically significant in my model to about 17 sigma level, and hugely overcooked the Late 20th Century Warm Period.

    Andrew – yes, it looks to be worth about 0.3 C out of 0.74 C in the IPCC’s favoured period 1906-2005. I don’t know why they picked those years…except 1906 was at the dead bottom of the cycle. And 2005 the top of the following cycle. Which suggests they knew what they were doing by picking those dates…

    Incidentally the PDO and AMO seem to be about a decade out of synch, probably because of the time it takes for teleconnection via the Great Conveyor Belt. That is why the overall global temperature change tends to be less sinusoidal and more step-like, because the PDO turned over to cooling in about 2000 and the AMO has only recently done so. This link has some nice analysis.

  64. johanna

    Bruce was probably too modest to mention it, but I recall reading elsewhere him saying that his little home-made model, which out-performs the ones the IPCC uses, was constructed, not on a multi-million dollar publicly funded mega computer, but on an aging domestic device.

    The magnitude of the con that climate modellers have pulled is unbelievable.

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    Johanna – Mine was just intended to test whether climate sensitivity was high or low for my own crosscheck. I tried to do it as independently with the longest cleanest dataset I could get at, which is the CET. The CET doesn’t have games played with it like HadCRUT does, since they don’t have any excuse to adjust it.

    Now if you want true modelling elegance, the gold medal goes to Jennifer Marohasy whose laptop neural network model outdoes BoM’s supercomputer at Oz rainfall prediction.

    Of course a neural network approach internalises all the variables, so it doesn’t tend to suffer from the selective bias the IPCC modellers have towards CO2.

  66. J.H.

    I lol-ed at that “Hitler trapped in ice” video…… Damn well done.

    ….. and Alf. Andrew Bolt is a Journalist and opinion writer. His job is to look at the presented facts, arguments and logic of any topic of debate that concerns society and to engage in public debate by informing his readers of his criticisms or analysis. He is allowed to have an opinion…. and he does better than that, he strives to have an informed opinion seeking input from both sides of the argument.

    It isn’t necessary to be a Scientist in order to conclude that spending hundreds of billions of dollars and crippling an entire economy to achieve a reduction of global average temperatures of a mere 0.0038 degrees C by 2100, is utter madness for Australian society.

    This is an amount too small to actually measure empirically given the unknowns of Natural climate variability…. and not to forget that countries like China are building carbon dioxide producing industries that wipe out in months, what our reduction would painfully have achieved over an entire century.

    It’s all pain and no gain…. and quite frankly. Utterly stupid.

    ….. and then finally, the benefits of a mildly Carbon Dioxide enhanced troposphere have not even been examined properly or even discussed in the media…. Enhanced crop growth and yield, just for starters.

  67. Lem

    Hi I’m back. And I’m on Bruce’s side.

    Righto who else is coming for us?

  68. Alf, you’re supposed to show us your data, instead you’ve shown cowardice.

  69. Megan

    I want to borrow Bruce to write Facebook responses for me to people I honestly thought were smart enough to be sceptical but post nonsense about the 99.9% of scientists who believe the consensus. I don’t have the depth of scientific understanding or patience to do more than click on the Hide button.

  70. cohenite

    PDO over the 20thC has had a warming effect for the simple reason there were 2 +ve or warm phases and only one -ve or cool phase from about 1940-1976. In addition the asymmetry of those phases with the warmer being more warmer than the cool was cool also added to the warming trend; see this.

    The asymmetry of PDO allows an accumulation of heat.

    Given this quality of the internal variability of the climate system and that CO2′s ‘heating’ effect just about maxs out at around 300ppm I am rather more sceptical of any discernible heating over the 20thC being due to increased CO2.

  71. JohnA

    “Find them (passenger manifest) and bill them. Humilate them politically and acadmically. Smash their public reputation.”

    Don’t have to humiliate and smash, HK Brother.

    Just expose the facts and demonstrate that it is in fact self-inflicted: they have done it all by themselves. Their doom is their folly.

  72. Pickles

    Bummer of a birthmark Alf.

  73. Habib

    Hey Pickles, when are you back up in Nazi Neuman’s half reich?

  74. Arnost

    You should have a read of the Greenie senator elect’s blog before it falls into the forgettery. It’s clear these amateurs ponced around and got themselves into strife after strife. Ultimately it is going to be the master of Akademik Shonkiscienciy – and you’ll have to feel sorry for him. He had to make a choice – get the ship out of danger of leave the greenslimers behind…

    http://www.janetrice.com.au/?e=98

    The third drama of the day is the one which is still unfolding. Because of the Argo mishap we got off late, and had one less vehicle to ferry people to and fro. I’m told the Captain was becoming rather definite late in the afternoon that we needed to get everyone back on board ASAP because of the coming weather and the ice closing in. As I write we are continuing to make extremely slow progress through what looks like a winter alpine snow field – it’s yet another surreal part of this journey that we are in a ship trying to barge our way through here! I’m sure the Captain would have been much happier if we had got away a few hours earlier

  75. Bruce

    Sorry Megan, haven’t gone onto FB or Twitter. Too many other things to play with on the web (for a guy who had to book the only programmable calculator in my school, which was the size of a suitcase, the web is heaven). But I’m with you on this – as Prof Gelernter said in the grab upthread:

    Science needs reasoned argument and constant skepticism and open-mindedness.

    Being able to discuss the basis for the CAGW hypothesis and to support or falsify it is the essence of the scientific method. Yet just about all the CAGW proponents refuse to discuss the science. So I like chances to cross the barrier and truly debate what the data says with people on the other side. It happens so rarely I am sad.

  76. Arnost

    Sorry…

    Ultimately it is going to be the master of Akademik Shonkiscienciy – and you’ll have to feel sorry for him.who’ll be deemed responsible

  77. Econocrat

    Chris Turney is on the Australian Research Council: http://www.christurney.com/

    The Australian Research Council has sponsored his holiday: http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-supporters/

    Pyne should have his grants audited (including how he got the) and have him kicked off the ARC.

  78. Pickles

    Am at Noosa as we type Habib. Doing battle in reserve grade in Feb if Cambells acolytes aim up. Me n JABL are up for the GF of a long running stoush (no JC, too big a blue for you).

  79. JC

    His wife and kids went on the holiday too, Econocrat. It would be interesting to see how this professor of climate change managed to wrangle that one. Who’s paying for their rescue?

  80. Sirocco

    Where the hell is Alf? I have been waiting expectantly all night for his response.

  81. Habib

    Ariosto, too right. Skipper is ultimately responsible for his vessel, and if he was too dickless to stands up to the demands of imbecilic hippies he deserves to lose his command, and be hung out to dry. Financial pressure and managerial demands are one thing, abrogation of responsibility another. Happens quite a bit in Russian platforms, sea and air.

    FFS Aeroflot had a senior skipper have his half-witted 15 year old rug monkey take command of a passenger aircraft, with predictable results.

  82. Econocrat

    The Greens MP’s December 23 post says the Captin had to order the tourists back onto the ship because they were at risk of becoming stuck: http://www.janetrice.com.au/?e=98#body-anchor

    It’s past 1am. It’s hard to make yourself go to bed when it’s constant daylight outside. I’ve just returned to my cabin after a bracing constitutional around the deck, following a very pleasant evening socialising and imbibing a not inconsiderable amount of red wine.

    The ship is making very slow progress through pack ice. There is a narrow channel that we are inching our way along – it of course is pretty frozen in itself. There are icebergs on either side of us, some kilometres away – hard to tell exactly how far. We oscillate between hardly moving to suddenly being jolted sideways with a crunch as the ship bashes and barges its way through.

    It’s blowing a gale, snowing slightly, visibility not brilliant, rather gloomy and grubby. I’ve got the porthole window open a whisker and the wind is whistling through it. Most of the day the temperature was minus 2 or less; it’s probably not that much colder than that now, but the windchill will make it somewhere equivalent to minus 15.

    We were out in similar conditions this afternoon. Somewhat brighter – in fact there was blue sky and sunshine for some periods. The weather has been better than the forecast blizzard, so that was good.

    We had another fabulous day, albeit with a few mishaps. We made the continent! Or almost! To one of Hodgeman’s Islets west of the Mertz Glacier. It may or may not have been connected to the mainland. Regardless, it was made of rock!

    It was an 8km journey from the ship, traversed by Argo, quad bike and skis. The surface was firm – a pleasant change from the previous few trips. Steve and Peter the skiers described it as being like skiing on an ice rink. The Argo journey was however still something to endure rather than enjoy.

    The enjoyment was being there. Rock in this part of the world equals penguin rookery. It was a fabulous privilege to clamber up the rock and stand amongst hundreds of Adelie Penguins on their nests made of stones, sitting on their eggs which are about to hatch. I saw one penguin surefootedly and sure-beakedly carry a rather large rock in its bill – some 5cm or so across, drop it on the edge of the nest being sat on by its partner, then proudly stand up tall as if to proclaim his or her superior skill in hunting and gathering for nest material. It was really lovely to be able to observe this part of penguins’ lives, given how much I have got to know their habits and characteristics over the last week.

    Weddell seals were also there in numbers. Tracey the seal ecologist managed to collect tissue samples from 6, by shooting them with a biopsy dart which penetrates just enough to collect a very small sample of hair skin and blubber.

    Seals also featured in one of the dramas of the day –whilst gaining a closer look at the seals Mary fell through an iced over tide crack and found herself on her back, in the freezing water, back pack drenched and only the narrowness of the tide crack stopping her from going much, much deeper! She was rescued pretty promptly, and didn’t get so wet that her life jacket deployed ( life jackets are standard attire whenever we are off the ship– they are small neat packages looking like an oversized pair of braces that will expand when they hit water. )

    The first drama of the day was the sinking – or almost! – of one of the Argos. The Argos are designed to be amphibious – just. They were launched today off the ship – and two of the three made it safely being towed by a zodiac the 50 metres or so to shore. The third was towed too fast it seems – and water came over the bonnet / bow, flooding both the engine and the vehicle itself. Ben tried in vain to bail out with a spade and luckily they made it to shore before the vehicle sunk entirely. Ben ended up rather wet too, but similarly to Mary, not submerged enough for the lifejacket to come into play. Sadly Argo engines don’t take too kindly to being submerged… the ships engineers are still working on it and not very optimistic about its prospects.

    The third drama of the day is the one which is still unfolding. Because of the Argo mishap we got off late, and had one less vehicle to ferry people to and fro. I’m told the Captain was becoming rather definite late in the afternoon that we needed to get everyone back on board ASAP because of the coming weather and the ice closing in. As I write we are continuing to make extremely slow progress through what looks like a winter alpine snow field – it’s yet another surreal part of this journey that we are in a ship trying to barge our way through here! I’m sure the Captain would have been much happier if we had got away a few hours earlier. Maybe we would have made it through the worst before it consolidated as much as it has with the very cold south- easterly winds blowing the ice away from the coast, around and behind us as well as ahead.

    We’ll see where we are in the morning – it may be a very white Christmas Eve!

    PS. 9.30am 24/12. We have moved less than a kilometre over night, and are now stationary in a sea of ice. The word is that we are not stuck, merely waiting for a weather change. It seems to me that we are having the quintessential Antarctic experience.J Stay tuned.

  83. Alain

    I’m sure Greens Senator-elect Janet Rice’s husband-turned-woman will be glad to welcome her home.

  84. Empire Strikes Back

    All the King’s horses and all the King’s men, couldn’t put Alfie back together again.

  85. Gab

    What’s it all about, Alfie?

  86. Pickles

    The word is we are not stuck, merely waiting for a weather change

    The word is I am not constipated, just waiting for a shit.

  87. cynical1

    This is the standard silliness from awarmists, that only a “climate scientist” is qualified to discuss their silly, unproven, pseudo-scientific conjecture of CAGW.

    Which means the Gaystapo will stop discussing something they have no qualifications for.

    Marriage.

  88. Talleyrand

    Das war ein Befehl! Klimawandel is Scheisse, aber einen weg zu des
    Reichtums.

  89. Megan

    Appreciated that link to Gelertner’s article, Bruce. Really points out the weaknesses of post-modern science practices.

  90. Rafe

    Nice line Gab :0
    Did you see the movie?
    Alf has demonstrated on other topics that he lives on a different planet.

    Sent from NW Tasmania after a day trip to Cape Grim.

  91. Rafe

    Probably off line until tomorrow evening.
    Back in town Monday, will do a Roundup next Friday.

  92. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Just played the vid. Hilarious. Cracked up.
    It will send me off to bed smiling.

  93. johanna

    Unfair to blame the captain. He has a bunch of deluded greenies wandering around on the pack ice with all sorts of gear. Calls them home because the ice is closing in. As the lovely Janet Rice revealed, they dawdled and disobeyed his order.

    If he leaves them there, he gets reamed. If he hangs around till they decide to reboard, he gets frozen in and reamed. What’s he supposed to do, bring them in at the point of a gun? The he’d really get reamed.

    The lesson is, when dealing with these kinds of people, you always get reamed.

  94. Empire Strikes Back

    What’s he supposed to do, bring them in at the point of a gun?

    Yep. His president would’ve supported him.

  95. johanna

    Vlad’s views are neither here nor there in this situation. Any other constructive suggestions?

  96. Habib

    Skipper of a vessel (and aircraft) has complete control and command. If he wimped out to the demands of idiot hippies, he wears it. Law of the Sea.

  97. Habib

    Same with the dickless Norwegian on the MV Tampa, he gave in to the demands of pirates, and was lauded for his cowardice. Even with a chalk of SAS on board.

  98. johanna

    So, Habib, what do you think he should have done, when (by Rice’s admission) the passengers didn’t come back when called? And what would the consequences have been?

    I repeat, when dealing with self-entitled greenies, the only possible outcome is that you get screwed.

  99. Mindfree

    Audit the expedition and all its costs NOW – Pyne are you up to it??

  100. Mindfree

    Probably not I’m calling gutless now

  101. Lem

    I went away watched The Great Gatsby (underwhelmed) came back, still no Alf . I will check back again tomorrow.

  102. Habib

    A serious captain would’ve first obtained a good met for the area, and having consulted same told idiot hippies that it was far too hazardous to venture further, due to icing.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    I went away watched The Great Gatsby (underwhelmed) came back, still no Alf . I will check back again tomorrow.

    Sorry to say but they cancelled Alf in the late 80′s. It really wasn’t that funny, although i would have loved to have made sexual congress with Willie Tanner’s daughter.

  104. johanna

    Are you paying attention, Habib? They went out on the ice, and according to Janet Rice he wanted them back hours before they returned, so they would have been out of there safely. They didn’t return. So what should he have done? Return to my previous options, above, and tell me which one wouldn’t have screwed him with this entitled, delusional bunch of idiots aboard.

  105. Habib

    You miss the point. The Captain of the vessel is basically God. Passengers do not tell him what they’re doing. If he allows this to happen, he has abrogated his command. He should lose his ticket if he’s proceeded into hazardous waters at the behest of his idiotic passengers.

    First and final responsibility is the safety of the ship, it’s crew and retarded passengers.

  106. johanna

    What part of “they didn’t return when he told them to” don’t you understand?

  107. Oh come on

    71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

    So basically

    The Great Global Warming Swindle

    was right about that after all? Tony Jones, call your office!

    These scum must be made to pay for the damage they have inflicted on scientific research.

    Exactly! This is a scandal of immense proportions. The Global Warming Hysterics are clearly against science. They are the enemy of my children’s future.

  108. Oh come on

    Whoops, “The Great Global Warming Swindle” should have been italicised, not blockquoted.

  109. Arnost

    The lesson is, when dealing with these kinds of people, you always get reamed.

    And usually doubly so: You can bet anything you like on the fact that when the investigations are done and dusted (and the master is held responsible) you’ll have apologists like Alfie bombing and trolling discussions with convoluted claims like “see – it had nothing to do with Turney (the eminent!*) and the climatezientiztz – it’s all the captains fault… He’s the expert! And experts are always right!”

    There is some truth in The idiot should be left to perish for this alone. The captain should have left a lifeboat with a bit of food and a wooly jumper or two and got the ship and all the other souls on board out of harms way! He wouldn’t have been in any more shit than he is now had he done that.

    * eminent dickhead in this case…

  110. Tom

    Blue Hills on the Ship of Fools update:

    An American icebreaker will attempt to free two ships stuck in ice in Antarctica.

    Twenty-two crew remain on board the Russian ship Akademik Shokalskiy, which sparked a rescue mission after a blizzard pushed sea ice around the ship and froze it in place on Christmas Eve.

    The 52 scientists and tourists on board the research ship were airlifted to safety last week, thanks to the help of the Chinese icebreaker Xue Long.

    Those passengers are now on board Aurora Australis on their way to Australia’s Antarctic base Casey Station and then Tasmania.

    But shortly after the rescue, the 101 crew of the Chinese icebreaker that provided the helicopter that airlifted the passengers on the Russian ship to safety itself became beset by thick ice.

    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) said on Sunday that the US Coast Guard’s icebreaker Polar Star is now on its way to help.

    The Polar Star has been en route from Seattle to Antarctica since December 3 with a plan to clear a navigable shipping channel in the region.

    An AMSA spokeswoman said they will delay this job to help the two stuck ships.

    The icebreaker will leave Sydney on Sunday.

    It will take about seven days for the US icebreaker, with a crew of 140 people, to reach Commonwealth Bay.

    The AMSA spokeswoman said the US ship had greater capabilities than the Russian and Chinese vessels.

    “It can break ice over six metres thick, while those vessels can break one-metre ice,” she told AAP on Sunday.

    “The idea is to break them out, but they will make a decision once they arrive on scene on the best way to do this.”

    AMSA will be in regular contact with the relevant US Coast Guard and the captain of the Polar Star during its journey to Antarctica.

  111. caveman

    Sad really , if they just turn to their left a few degrees there is tunnel that leads to the golden rainbow peanut butter world where everything is hot and melted and climate change rules .

  112. calli

    From Bruce’s link:

    Conclusive evidence of global warming. It’s science I tells ya!

  113. Alfonso

    Yep, the Capt is god from doors closed to doors open but leaving people on the ice to potentially die merely to get his ship out and doing more commercial work, when he can retrieve them and sit stuck until a solution is found would mean criminal negligence charges and his ATPL pulled. All decisions have to be justified via SOPs or a greater emergency.

  114. incoherent rambler

    The word for the tha day is “sciolist“. Look it up on the link.

    One who knows many things superficially; a pretender to science

    The CAGW crowd have damaged true science beyond measure.

  115. johanna

    Great link, Bruce! (It’s a very funny collection of cartoons and pictures – have a gekko, folks).

  116. Arnost

    “It [the Polar Star] can break ice over six metres thick, while those vessels can break one-metre ice,” she told AAP on Sunday.

    The Polar Star, that German breaker attached to Potsdam U and the big Russian tourist nukes have been criss-crossing the Arctic for the last decade or two. A good argument can be made that they have dislodged / broken up thick – what normally would be fast – ice and that was then swept out in the polar gyre … and so contributed to the sea ice decline up north. Again tourist science in play.

  117. H B Bear

    The ALPBC news now reporting a Russian and Chinese icebreaker are stuck in the Antarctic ice. Any reference to Professor Turkey and his band of happy clappy warmists has been airbrushed away. As is the Leftist way.

  118. James of the Glen

    From Arnost,

    ” The captain should have left a lifeboat with a bit of food and a woolly jumper or two and got the ship and all the other souls on board out of harms way! He wouldn’t have been in any more shit than he is now had he done that”.

    Well said, Arnost. After all, in the spirit of Mawson, his ship had to leave him and a skeleton staff in Antarctica when he was ‘late’ returning from his epic exploratory expedition. Of course, careful precautions had been taken for such an eventuality.

    Just what were Turney’s priorities?

    Incidentally, on the BBC World Service early this morning the presenter, a Julian Marshall, was describing the trip as just a tourist cruise on a Russian ship.

    Why then did not Mr Marshall mention or explain why his BBC had staff embedded on this cruise?

    Of course there was no mention of the Warmism “scientists” and their hangers on, or the making of a crappy Warmist TV extravaganza.

    (Remember when the World Service was respected many years ago?)

  119. Tom

    The ALPBC news now reporting a Russian and Chinese icebreaker are stuck in the Antarctic ice.

    I’m sorry, Humphrey, I think you may have dreamed that. There’s no trace of that story on the ABC News website. In fact, if you search the ABC News website for stories about “Antarctica”, nothing has happened since December 30.

    Must be something about the hole in the ozone layer, which has obviously caused a black hole for Antarctic news that doesn’t fit the ABC template.

  120. Fascinating stuff, except for the fact that the conclusion seems rather obvious. Pathetic that a mere hypothesis is passed off as incontrovertible truth.

    What occurred to me is that it makes a mockery of the left’s obsession with diversity. They want diversity of skin colour and sexual preferences, but no diversity of thought or opinion. What they want is the Model T Ford in a million colours. They want us to appear different, but to be fundamentally the same ie slaves to their worldview, and them to be free from dissent. But I am a dissenter, and proud of it.

  121. The CAGW crowd have damaged true science beyond measure.

    Well said, Incoherent. This cannot be overstated. What separated rational thought from superstition has been largely removed in just decades. It’s worth remembering that AGW is just a battle in a larger war. Just as the ALPBC has airbrushed the expedition, the warmists will simply retreat to another battlefield of their choosing. The fundamental underlying disease must be addressed, not simply arguing against AGW. It is a false debate.

  122. Aussieute

    Now to turn the negative around

    Five basic Antarctic facts for climate change sceptics

    Commentators say plight of MV Akademik Shokalskiy shows global warming is exaggerated – the truth is not that simple

    Things that make you go hmmmm

  123. johanna

    You are all missing the point.

    The real question is – when will Greens Senator-elect Janet Rice be reunited with her transgender partner, and the chooks (as per her video whine just before the rescue)?

    Everything else is just right-wing propaganda.

  124. incoherent rambler

    The fundamental underlying disease must be addressed, not simply arguing against AGW. It is a false debate.

    Agreed BW. How?
    I might add, one of the things that always annoyed me was the Govt. getting an economist(Garnaut) to review the “science” of AGW. Should we get physicists to review the economic approach of government?

  125. incoherent rambler

    Akademik Shokalskiy shows global warming is exaggerated

    Damn! I forgot Global Warming makes things colder.

  126. Cold-Hands

    I wonder whether Turney paid full fare for his entourage – Annette and children Kara and Robert. Given that the paying tourists were being slugged in excess of $7500 for their passage, it would seem to be a very expensive family holiday. What would a full audit of this “expedition ” turn up? Nepotism and cross-subsidisation?

  127. Tel

    There’s no trace of that story on the ABC News website. In fact, if you search the ABC News website for stories about “Antarctica”, nothing has happened since December 30.

    Hmmm…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-03/chinese-icebreaker-stuck-after-helping-with-ship-rescue/5184210

  128. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Alfonso at 9:18 am:

    “Yep, the Capt is god from doors closed to doors open but leaving people on the ice to potentially die merely to get his ship out and doing more commercial work, when he can retrieve them and sit stuck until a solution is found would mean criminal negligence charges and his ATPL pulled. All decisions have to be justified via SOPs or a greater emergency.”

    Fabulous, you sound like the deputy harbourmaster in Minsk or Toulouse and I feel like I should say “Hooah” right back at you to signify I recognise your street cred as a fellow boat fellow. Or as a Royal Marine.

    The fact is, Alfonso, I take the two thousand tonner out for a sail only every other year as a hobby, and I forget what all the esoteric INITIALS stand for. Should I line up expectantly to have my ATPL pulled or run and hide in the garbage bin?

    I’d like to understand what these dills did in Antarctica but I deliberately avoided the Old Seamens’ Home Blog so that I could.

  129. Leo G

    “Now to turn the negative around Five basic Antarctic facts for climate change sceptics. Commentators say plight of MV Akademik Shokalskiy shows global warming is exaggerated – the truth is not that simple.”

    The Guardian gets its Antarctic facts hilariously wrong- the Antarctic covers only about 5% of the area of the Southern Hemisphere, not 20%.

  130. H B Bear

    I’m sorry, Humphrey, I think you may have dreamed that.

    Perth wireless, before the cricket. One of the few ALPBC functions that arguably should be retained to spare us from the buffoons and bogans on Channel 9.

  131. feelthebern

    Cold hands has a good point.
    Who paid what?
    UNSW ?
    NGO’s?
    Tourists?
    What was the break down?
    & does the senator elect have to declare this?
    Turneys family travelling seems like a rort.

  132. Tel

    It’s unlikely a single ship getting stuck in ice will cause a major deviation in researchers’ findings.

    They got that bit right. Global warming researchers aren’t renowned for being quick learners.

  133. Arnost

    After all, in the spirit of Mawson, his ship had to leave him and a skeleton staff in Antarctica when he was ‘late’ returning from his epic exploratory expedition

    Actually that’s a great point (I missed that) … LOL! I can just see the defense “I left them there as we were recreating Mawson’s expedition… Moje Anglish is nyet so good” :)

  134. Lloyd

    It would seem that the expedition was poorly prepared, with only a superficial understanding of the dangers and insufficient attention to detail.

    Yes, there is the irony of a global warming expedition stuck in ice. But I find the impulse to associate this drama with the state of our tertiary education system to be irresistible.

  135. Alfonso

    Yawn Mick, you can live in whatever imaginery ‘revenge on CAGW scumbags’ operational world you choose, it isn’t the real operational world.

  136. stackja

    Sinc said MPs ‘work’ less than academics but with Turney ‘work’ goodness knows costing how much, can the Australian people vote Turney out.

  137. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Alfonso at 12:16 pm:

    “Yawn Mick, you can live in whatever imaginery ‘revenge on CAGW scumbags’ operational world you choose, it isn’t the real operational world.”

    Idiot.

    You talk this esoteric gibberish at me:

    “Yep, the Capt is god from doors closed to doors open … criminal negligence charges and his ATPL pulled. … have to be justified via SOPs …”

    which I simply don’t understand and say so, yet it’s me:

    “living in “imaginery … operational world”

    How does that work ya dill?

  138. Alfonso

    Refrain from comments on things you know nothing about will solve most of your problems…. Wanker.

  139. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Heroic Keyboard Warrior Alfonso at 1:29 pm:

    “Refrain from comments on things you know nothing about will solve most of your problems…. Wanker.”

    I’ve made no comment on the matter champ. I have already said I came here to read and understand.

    I’ve merely asked you to explain the esoteric terminology in your comment at 9:18am and you are having extraordinary difficulty understanding that.

    You really are quite dim.

  140. johanna

    The lack of courtesy of this lot tells you everything you need to know about those who want to “save the planet.” They even had a Marxist historian on board, but when it came to acknowledging the sacrifices and danger that working stiffs experienced, it was all tears and the unicorns have saved us and ME ME ME.

    The Chinese helicopter pilot(s) and supporting crew did a brave and dangerous mission, but these creeps and the supportive MSM make it sound like it was one of those rescues in a movie, where you know it’s all going to work out in the end.

    Horrible, entitled brats.

  141. Alfonso

    “I’ve made no comment on the matter champ.”

    VS

    “Fabulous, you sound like the deputy harbourmaster in Minsk or Toulouse and I feel like I should say “Hooah” right back at you to signify I recognise your street cred as a fellow boat fellow. Or as a Royal Marine.”

    Bwaaa……you need more cream de menthe and lemonade cocktails for the roid rage, son.

  142. Alf

    Not cowardice, whoever it was that said that. I had to work, unavoidable, and time was against me.

    I’m sure all the models by Bruce are as you would expect of someone with his quals and background. For my part, I have no expert knowledge in the field at all. Hence my decision to take notice of those who do. It’s as simple as that. I would rather go with the consensus on this than on the say so of the people who believe otherwise, even Bruce whose qualifications I respect but who, on this question, is apparently at odds with the majority of scientists who work in the field.

    As for the conspiracy theories bandied about re. climate change, I just don’t buy it at all. And if the worst outcome is cleaner energy, well, so be it.

  143. feelthebern

    “I’d rather go with consensus”

    Humans should know better.
    FFS

  144. Bruce

    Good to see you back Alf. Remember to read the fine print on “cleaner energy”. Both solar PV and wind turbines are probably dirtier on a life cycle assessment (LCA) basis than modern coal fired plants.

    In Oz we mainly have coal or open cycle gas turbine load leveling. Both have to run terribly inefficiently because of the variation of wind output especially. The link covers coal fired backup, you’ll need to look at open cycle vs closed cycle gas for a comparison of those. Open cycle is about half as efficient as I recall. The net saving of CO2 of wind turbines in South Australia is a few percent of theory, at best, which means once you factor the production of the materials of construction they are worse than coal.

    So you would be actually better off regarding CO2 emissions to turn off all the wind turbines, especially in SA where they make up a significant proportion of generation capacity, and run coal plants at their normal maximum efficiency.

    I also raher like birds (speaking of which one of this year’s magpie chicks has just arrived outside of my window for a handout). Wind turbines and solar thermal installations are carnage for birds and bats. More Green hypocrisy.

    Of course base load nuclear gets over most of this issue. Except as I’ve demonstrated CO2 has so little warming effect that the rise is probably very beneficial. It certainly has increased biosphere productivity as a number of studies have shown.

    Be careful to look under the hood before you buy the vehicle Alf.

  145. Gab

    I think a lot of these people who just go with the “consensus” don’t actually understand that electricity generation coal plants are not switched off when the wind turbines kick in, like when there’s wind. The plants have to keep running, you can’t just shut them down and then switch them back on when the wind stops blowing.

  146. .

    Err Mick Alfonso thinks libertarians don’t exist and those who do are all on welfare, students or somesuch – living off his tax monies.

    He has a rather strange point of view.

  147. Tom

    Alf, I appreciate the fact that you appear to have genuine concerns about climate and are not trolling. There is a major problem with Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) theory:

    There is no empirical evidence to support the hypothesis that anthropomorphic CO2 is the primary driver of global temperature. What we have instead is a departure from classical scientific inquiry to a post-modern conceit that, without empirical evidence, there is a “consensus” that ACO2 dunnit when there are much greater drivers like solar activity. The crucial point is that, if ACO2 and the human race can’t be held responsible, there can be no CO2 taxes and therefore no money to pay for the climate “science” that depends on the hypothesis.

    The CAGW hypothesis relies on the half-arsed hippie notion: what else could it be? That is not enough when you are also proposing a massive wealth transfer from the developed world to the developing world by UN diktat that will make no difference to the climate.

    Hope this helps.

  148. Tel

    For my part, I have no expert knowledge in the field at all. Hence my decision to take notice of those who do. It’s as simple as that.

    Do you vote? If everything should be run by qualified experts, how can we trust ordinary people to vote?

    Come to think of it, how would we know who is an expert? I guess we have to ask another expert for that.

  149. Bruce

    As for the conspiracy theories bandied about re. climate change, I just don’t buy it at all.

    And likewise, I just think it is a mix of one eyed belief, ideological wishful thinking and the second worst example of noble cause corruption ever, after the execution of Jesus Christ.

    It is no different from the continental drift episode, the planetary orbits episode, the heliobacter pylorii episode and several others. I myself have a number of patents to my credit for small examples of technology where the consensus said “it is not possible to do XXX”. In fact it was both possible and profitable. Humans grab hold of things in their mind they think are true and cannot release them. Its how we are. CAGW is one of these, since the actual empirical data shows it is not happening, and all I am doing (and pretty much all CAGW sceptical scientists will point to the same things) is providing a scientific explanation why it is not happening. Science history is populated with a legion of failed consensus hypotheses from blood letting to cold fusion.

  150. Bruce

    Well not cold fusion, sorry, it wasn’t ever consensus, but you get my drift.

  151. There is a major problem with Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) theory

    Yes, the anthropogenic—man-made—GW conjecture is bad enough because if based on corrupted data, dishonest modelling and shonky reasoning; but the anthropomorphic—man-shaped— GW hypothesis is really silly.

  152. For “if based” please read “it’s based”.

  153. Alfonso

    “Err Mick Alfonso thinks libertarians don’t exist and those who do are all on welfare, students or somesuch – living off his tax monies.”

    At last …near perfect reporting from the pretend Liberts. I thank you. Independent wealth allows you to be a Libert, everything else is a statist assisted pretend.

    But that doesn’t help Gold Coast Mick ……..see 4.09 comment.

  154. JC

    Alf

    The models have been proved to be wrong. Try another theory as the models, which have been around for 25 years now are wrong. They haven’t been able to make accurate predictions. Now if you support gerbil warming as a religious experience, more power to you.

  155. For similar examples of scientific expertise over the centuries, Bruce, please see a post on Julia Gillard’s respect for science.

  156. Gab

    Lots of consensus around frontal lobotomy procedure back in the 40′ even to the 60s, and Moniz was awarded a Nobel to boot.

  157. JC

    Me

    The idiot should be left to perish for this alone.

    Alfie

    Yes, that well known climate scientist Andrew Bolt should indeed be left to perish.

    What’s Bolt have to do with anything, Alfie, you fucking clown? Why should he perish when he hasn’t run aground in a freezing fucking hell hole costing the taxpayers millions of dollars to get him there and out.

    He’s a know-nothing know-all with a big mouth and a political agenda that stands out like the proverbial dog’s bollocks.

    Unlike every single leftwing turd, right?

    You’d be better dismissing this blow-hard’s baseless opinions and listening to people who have some eminence in their field, like Turney perhaps.

    I don’t read Bolt, you imbecile and never went even close to quoting him. You brought up Bolt as a strawman argument, you moron. And why would I listen to a propagandist like Turney, who’s a dickhead.

    Oh, but it’s cold in New York in winter, my goodness, that’s compelling evidence for you.

    Yea, it’s cold in NY. My kid is going back to that freezer in a few days.

    Shut up.

  158. JC

    Lots of consensus around frontal lobotomy procedure back in the 40′ even to the 60s, and Moniz was awarded a Nobel to boot.

    It’s one of the procedures being considered under the Fisk Doctrine. Remember… A lobotomy gets them home and gets them home behaving compliantly, which means not espousing leftwing views. If we’re going to have leftwing zombies, they may as well be lobotomized leftwing zombies.

  159. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    @ Bruce of Newcastle

    @ Andrew

    @ Cohenite

    Love. Your. Work.

  160. Tel

    Here Alf, here’s a certified expert. No ice anywhere in the Arctic by 2013. You always listen to the experts so this guy must be correct.

    http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/AdultDiscussionPlease

  161. Alf

    JC, take a look at Bruce’s posts, then your own. Bruce manages to get a fair point across in civil language. You manage nothing like that, just foul mouthed invective – who do you think people would take more notice of?

  162. Tel

    Christopher Booker: Not just the ice that’s sadly thick.

  163. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Alf, JC is one of the blog’s doormen.

    If you be nice to him, and the other patrons, he’ll be nice to you.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle

    Alf – I can’t post polite scientific comments on “consensus” blogs as they would last about 30 minutes before being deleted…RC, SkS, DeSmogBlog, Guardian, HuffPo.

    The Cat is a libertarian herd of cats. (I’m not a libertarian but am sort of tolerated like mad uncle in basement). You get static but you have to be really annoying to get banned or deleted. So an open discussion is possible here. But you are expected to defend your hypotheses with links, papers or primary data. Assertions and appeals to authority don’t cut it.

    I am shamefaced to wave my academic willy the way I did. I prefer to just argue with backing of data etc. But you started with the climate expert consensus meme (ie argumentum ab auctoritate) and went from there. If you read Prof Gelernter’s essay I linked upthread you will see there is a problem with the whole of science as it becomes captured for ideological aims. The problem with modern science is bad and getting worse, in my personal experience over thirty years in the business. So appeals to authority are fallacious without supporting data and analysis.

  165. Bruce of Newcastle

    BTW, Alf, no one minds if you don’t have a pack of science papers to cite chapter and verse of (although that would be fine if you do). Bring a thick skin and have fun arguing. Throw up anything you think of or want to discuss, like the clean energy point, and we’ll happily try to demolish it with links, which you can read in your leisure & make your own mind up about their contents.

  166. Rabz

    I’m not a libertarian but am sort of tolerated like mad uncle in the basement

    Bruce, you are always welcome here (as opposed to sort of tolerated) and you know it.

  167. Tel

    If you be nice to him, and the other patrons, he’ll be nice to you.

    JC regularly hits the nail on the head.

    Likely as not he will hit anything on the head just in case it might be a nail.

  168. candy

    I love this Hitler video and the way any issue can be sent up by it, but might be nice if the creators change the action a little bit now. The way the actor does Hitler is brilliant.

  169. Bruce

    Thanks, Rabz, I’m going to bookmark your comment for future weaponry for next time we argue religion.

  170. Tom

    Tel
    #1136722, posted on January 5, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Best laugh of the night.

  171. JohnA

    H B Bear #1135918, posted on January 5, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Any reference to Professor Turkey and his band of happy clappy warmists has been airbrushed away. As is the Leftist way.

    “Any reference to Professor Turkey” should be shouted from the rooftops!

  172. Armadillo

    Took me quite a while to read through this entire thread (and the links).

    Bruce should be nominated for some sort of “Bamming Award”. Take a bow. Articulate, polite and a very well reasoned argument.

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Alf, there are a number of useful books you could read to assist you to see why so many people with reasonable scientific/engineering/statistical/computing/geophysical and other backgrounds think the IPCC is putting out a load of bollocks. James Delingpole’s book “Watermelons: The Green Movement’s True Colours” (another title in Australia?) will give you a good start. Also Donna Laframboise “The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Scientist”.

    Regular nightly ABC broadcast material will not cut it here.

  174. Tom

    The gift that keeps on giving:

    Despite Chinese President Xi Jinping on the weekend trumpeting his rescue mission for those still aboard the Xue Long, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s Rescue Centre confirmed it had requested the US Coast Guard’s Polar Star icebreaker to assist the Shokalskiy and the Chinese vessel.

    The US Coast Guard had accepted the request and the ship, which resupplied in Sydney before departing at 5am yesterday, was expected to take seven days to reach Commonwealth Bay, where the Chinese and Russian ships were stranded.

    The Antarctic stranding and rescue, which will potentially cost ship owners and governments several millions of dollars, has been reported around the world.

    The stranding has also caused major disruption to a highly anticipated Chinese Antarctic program and frustrated the work of French and Australian scientists.

    A review of postings from stranded passengers, including Greens senator-elect Janet Rice, details how the Shokalskiy captain was concerned about conditions before the stranding but his passengers undertook a shore expedition anyway. “I’m told the captain was becoming rather definite late in the afternoon that we needed to get everyone back on board ASAP because of the coming weather and the ice closing in,” she wrote.

    “I’m sure the captain would have been much happier if we had got away a few hours earlier.”

    Tour organiser Chris Turney, head of climate research at the University of NSW, was forced to clarify an earlier suggestion that the stranding was related to climate change.

    As the lead agency among the national interests of the Australia, China, Russia, France, the UK and the US, the Australian government is the logical entity to stage a full inquiry into the Clitanic fiasco. We’re looking at you, Greg Hunt.

  175. .

    At last …near perfect reporting from the pretend Liberts. I thank you. Independent wealth allows you to be a Libert, everything else is a statist assisted pretend.

    This is pure trolling and just dishonest.

    On the way to being independently wealthy, a schlep such as myself will pay an exorbitant amount of taxes.

    Once there, you will pay more in explicit dollar values, but the hurdles one must climb and fees and taxes paid out – are truly staggering. The implicit cost of being regulated out of existence in an industry or years of planning approval are just outrageous. The cumulative effect on one’s net wealth is truly mind blowing.

    Yet somehow you think someone who needs to wait two years to get their business approved by a local “Soviet” (Council or other LGA) is being a bludger!

  176. Alfonso

    No, I think anyone who makes a claim on other people’s money that isn’t part of a voluntary collaboration for mutual benefit can’t by definition be a Libert. Easy as.

  177. .

    So you recommend that I don’t have any medicare payments sent to me, even though I pay the levy and have PHI?

  178. Alfonso

    No, I just recommend you stop calling yourself a Libert.

  179. .

    I recommend that you are wrong in practice because you are wrong, both in your presumptions and theory.

  180. Not surprisingly, sycophants in Prof. Turney’s department demonstrate similar dishonest, fallacious reasoning as the head:

    @UNSWScience
    97% of scientists agree on climate change. Yet people still clutch at straws & spread lies #spiritofmawson January 6, 2014

  181. Bruce

    Whoa, not “97% of climate scientists agree”. Not even Doran and Zimmerman tried to say that, nor Cook in his much lampooned recent paper.

    They must know this is incorrect, they cannot be that incompetent. Surely.

  182. they cannot be that incompetent. Surely.

    Oh, yes, they can be that incompetent and that dishonest.

  183. jupes

    There is a major problem with Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) theory

    Yes. It has been debunked.

    AGW theory predicts that increased man-made CO2 will cause global temperature to increase.

    Man-made CO2 has increased every year for the last 17 years.

    Global temperature hasn’t increased during that time.

    A scientific theory only has to fail one prediction to be debunked. AGW is as credible as Flat Earth theory.

  184. JC

    JC, take a look at Bruce’s posts, then your own.

    No, as I can imagine what you’re leading to.

    Bruce manages to get a fair point across in civil language.

    Yea and………

    You manage nothing like that,

    Yes I do, alfie you fucking moron. I always, always make the point of putting up the reasons why I consider a person to be a fucking idiot, which I did with alfie, you log.

    who do you think people would take more notice of?

    Well look at you, Alfie. You took notice of what I said and will continue too I’m sure. You clown.

  185. JC

    Alf, JC is one of the blog’s doormen.

    Wlarus, I’m not actually. I just have a total intolerance to morons like Alfie.

    If you be nice to him, and the other patrons, he’ll be nice to you.

    Won’t do any good. Alfie is an idiot and until he’s able to extricate himself from clown suit I won’t be nice to him.

  186. Leo G

    There is a major problem with Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) theory

    Yes, Deadman is correct- it now has a life of its own (by definition).

  187. Meanwhile, in a fraudulent, self-serving and dishonest defence of his fellow scammers who were somehow stuck in non-existent ice, Prof. Stephan Lewandowsky, who has a track record of distortion and misrepresentation when it comes to climate reporting, hypocritically accuses The Australian of having

    a track record of distortion and misrepresentation when it comes to climate reporting.

  188. Bruce

    Not in the same league as Karoly, who this week accused Maurice Newman of this:

    As Upton Sinclair wrote, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    Hypocrisy cubed from taxpayer supported überwarmist Karoly. I gasped reading it. I give him this: he has balls. Brains of tofu and big brass balls.

    Lots of projection going on in certain political spheres.

  189. Tom

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    Has there ever — and I mean ever in the history of academia — been a boosterist like Karoly who depends absolutely on his half-arsed empirical-evidence-free hypothesis to deliver his salary?

  190. .

    Does Karoly understand the last 17 years have seen cooling despite large CO2 increases?

    I think his employers ought to set higher standards.

  191. Mike of Marion

    Comment in/on this article suggests the Russian Captain could not leave ice region earlier because the ‘scientists’ were out sightseeing!!!!!!

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140106-antarctica-ship-polar-star-icebreakers-trapped-science-world/

  192. Jessie

    Tom at 8.41

    That is an interesting question.

    The Australian’s Bernard Salt reported today of Peter Doherty our Nobel Prize winner. He is co-author on an academic paper on avian flu virus. The title of the reporting Aborigines ‘most vulnerable’ to bird flu strain.
    I cannot find the paper easily on a PNAS search but thought it may be interesting to peruse. And consider whether the Aus$35billion already expended on the Aboriginal problem (Abbott states it is our greatest national failure) in the past few years couldn’t do with a bit more.

    Not to worry after not finding the paper which BSalt did not reference, I instead began to watch a video on Nobel Prize Mr Doherty where he addresses skeptics and in his ramblings discusses concern with the reduction of regulatory officers in the environmental field. I have yet to finish the hour long ramble.

    Anyways suffice to my interest, why then is it that The Australian’s (June 2013) insufferable Nicholas Rothwell reported to the world on intrauterine growth retardation Genes key to health gone awry as being the cause of Lake Gregory Aborigine’s woes?
    LGregory, also known as Paraku is listed as one of the global migratory bird sites on the world. What a protein paradise for pregnant or soon to be pregnant hunter gatherers. And presumably for earlier strains of avian virus? Bloody missionaries with their heavily costed/horse transported flour and tea diets delivered to subjects of conversion.

    Yes yes, I realise Doherty is speaking of Asian avian virus, and most Paraku birds migrate from the Pacific Islands. But there are a few species that are specifically Eastern Asian migratory that land and nest in the desert. Perhaps the birds just readjusted their routes in the past hundred years or were able to shed on bêche-de-mere earlier forms of avian virus before arriving in Terra Nullius? Maybe avian virus didn’t exist 40,000 years ago.

    And The Australian Feathered fighters in the cause of human health has written glowing critique of Doherty’s book Sentinel Chickens and Chris Turney’s book The Year the World discovered Antarctica.

    Give us a break.

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