The culture wars are back

The luvvies have forced ALDI to withdraw some great t-shirts from sale.

ALDI Shirt

Aldi says it will withdraw a controversial Australia Day T-shirt from sale after an outcry on social media.

The German discount supermarket chain had offered the T-shirt, emblazoned with the slogan “Australia Est. 1788″, as part of a range of Australia Day items which are due to go on sale this weekend.

Hopefully an entrepreneurial online provider can fill that gap in market.

Update: More luvvy lunacy.

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218 Responses to The culture wars are back

  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yes, well I want one of them.

  2. mizaris

    I’ll take 20!!!!! Fuckin leftard loonies!!! Would this country look like it does now if the original inhabitants were still in charge? FFS it’s only post 1788 that we’ve progressed beyond the fuckin stone age!!!!!

  3. Ian of Perth

    And this is incorrect / wrong how?

  4. face ache

    I hail from a very long line of dead Scotsmen. But they moved on from where they were 60,000 years ago. Well, except for Glasgow. Unlike the oldest stagnant culture in another place.

  5. .

    Hang on

    “Offends social media users”

    FFS I thought this was a reputable Teutonic firm that prided itself on economy.

    Facebook is a waste of time and completely useless for marketing unless you are a personal trainer or are completely at the other end and specialise in mass produced, fast moving consumer goods (junk food).

  6. Percy

    Dickheads 1 Common sense 0

  7. Infidel Tiger

    Is Aldi aware that the same amoeba who objected to the t-shirts also object to Aldis very existence?

  8. Gab

    Aldi pandering to a minority of permanently aggrieved leftards. What a stupid cowardly thing to do.

  9. Andrew

    The “Est 1788″ slogan apparently referred to the date of first European settlement in Australia.

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL – “apparently!”

    Apparently mentions of “1776″ in the US and A relate to the Declaration of Independence. Apparently the year 1 AD had something to do with Jesus Christ.

    Shut the ABC down.

  10. Cold-Hands

    Aldi should bring out a range of Tee Shirts emblazoned with “Australia: civilized since 1988″.
    Not even the leftist loonies could deny that one, as the Australian Aborigines never built cities.

  11. Percy

    Nice banner Sinc. Where do we buy the shirts, caps etc.?

  12. Sinclair Davidson

    Just testing – I’ll put up the banner back in time for Invasion day Australia Day :)

  13. Token

    Aldi pandering to a minority of permanently aggrieved leftards. What a stupid cowardly thing to do.

    As if the inner city lefty would be seen dead in an Aldi store.

    Great work morons.

  14. C.L.

    Hey, they’re pretty good Ts.

    What a bunch of cowards. That could have made a killing.

  15. james

    1788 is the beginning of Australia.

    Anyone who wishes to argue otherwise should remind me wish aboriginal language the word “Australia” comes from.

  16. hammy

    1788 was the year this Aboriginal land was stolen from its true owners. How dare we celebrate it!

  17. Percy

    Just testing – I’ll put up the banner back in time for Invasion day Australia Day :)

    And the merch?

  18. Gab

    1788 was the year this Aboriginal land was stolen from its true owners.

    It’s not like they were doing anything useful with it.

  19. C.L.

    Hammy, bring back the James Scullin gravatar.

  20. Sinclair Davidson

    N0 idea – I imagine most places will have Australian themed stuff. I’d be very surprised if “Australia Est. 1788″ isn’t already available. I did a google image search and there was lots of stuff.

  21. Infidel Tiger

    I’d ban the Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi t-shirt and execute anyone who says it.

  22. Percy

    Missed my point Sinc. I’m talking something with Catallaxy emblazoned across it. You did say ‘entrepreneurial’

  23. candy

    It’s a natty t-shirt.
    Not sure if a person could feel comfortable/entirely safe even wearing it in some places in public these days, things being very divided along that front.

  24. feelthebern

    If you set up a stall on Kuta Beach, you’d sell out in 5 minutes.

  25. Sinclair Davidson

    Ahhh – sorry. I’m in holiday mood mode at the moment.

  26. blogstrop

    Hammy now looks like an overweight brunette version of Martin Bryant.

  27. blogstrop

    Not sure if a person could feel comfortable/entirely safe even wearing it in some places

    It’s ok, Candy – you’ll just get an alternate version of the fake Welcome To Country ceremony.

  28. feelthebern

    I’ve said it before.
    I reckon Hammy is Sinc, stirring things up.

  29. And Another Thing

    Geez, I bet the leftards are breathing a sight of relief with their 11th-hour defeat of a shirt celebrating Australia Day. It would have put back their campaign to get rid of the entire celebration. When is some company going to grow a pair and take these clowns on, instead of folding at the first sign of trouble.

  30. Des Deskperson

    ‘Is Aldi aware that the same amoeba who objected to the t-shirts also object to Aldis very existence?’

    On the other hand, our very left wing Labor Government gave Aldi preference when new supermarket leases were awarded in North Canberra in 2012, Aldi being separate from the dreaded Coles-Woolies ‘duopoly’ and therefore apparently kinda sorta leftist

    Maybe Aldi has figured that if it presents a sensitive, inclusive, caring/sharing front, other leftist jurisdictions – most municipal councils, after all – will be similarly moved to favour it in their planning processes.

  31. struth

    All da wovely abowiginals were woving each uva and sniffing flowers before the white man came along and stole their land. Hammy you tool. 200 different language groups raiding and killing each other for thousands of years. They can’t even decide on who owns the rock let alone still killing each other trying to claim land from one another.
    Go back and kick your left wing school teachers up the arse long and hard for bwainwashing a widdle girl.

  32. dover_beach

    The culture wars are back

    They never left.

  33. Don

    Hammy now looks like an overweight brunette version of Martin Bryant.

    Oh come on blogstrop. He’s having a lend, surely you can see that.

  34. They are not especially elegant looking designs (kinda says “bogan” to me), historically inaccurate, and probably made in a sweatshop by a 13 yr old girl in Bangladesh who should be in school.

    All good reasons to avoid buying them, even without worrying about the aboriginal issue.

  35. james

    Which aboriginal language does the word “Australia” come from again?

  36. Sinclair Davidson

    I reckon Hammy is Sinc, stirring things up.

    Hammy is a comic genius – I’m not that funny.

  37. rebel with cause

    probably made in a sweatshop by a 13 yr old girl in Bangladesh who should be in school

    Where was the green hairshirt you are wearing made?

  38. due to go on sale this weekend

    So it is not even on the shelves yet? How do people get to know it exists in the first place?

  39. So the Left are upset about Australia Day T Shirts, but rather happy with those F**k Abbott ones.

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    Aldi advertises its weekend specials from the Wednesday before.

  41. Andrew

    I had only perused the Aldi brochure a few days before, noting to dear wife to stock up on few cheap flags for my flagpole and pointed out that I wanted this particular t-shirt – we didn’t even get the luxury of doing the equivalent of a bank run!

  42. David

    Just testing – I’ll put up the banner back in time for Invasion day Australia Day :)

    Sinc I’m happy with it being called Invasion Day – just so long as they acknowledge they lost.

    OK, I’m off to the Culturally Unaware Sin Bin

  43. Andrew of Randwick

    probably made in a sweatshop by a 13 yr old girl in Bangladesh who should be in school

    The UN has a major office in Bangkok, managing south east Asia. From their point of view…

    Child Work (mainly in factories) is supported and encouraged as a way of keeping young people from being exploited, e.g. meals and schooling are supplied, and life is better than being a rice paddy girl, or a child prostitute.
    Child Labour is targeted and discouraged. It mainly happens in rural areas where preventing hunger, sickness and death requires every beast of burden (inc. children) to work hard long hours.

  44. If Aldi are not going to sell those T shirts, are they going to give them away somewhere?

  45. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Do what I did and email Aldi on their customer feedback site asking that they place the T shirts back on the shelves. What in the name of goodness is this country coming to, a country that has a constitution to protect us all be we black, white, brindle, or any colour in between, a country that recognises us for what we are, not our bloody skin colour. Most of the do gooders should grow up where there is a large population of Aboriginal Australians in the outback as some of us did, and surprise, surprise, most of them are just like the rest of us, good, bad, and average people who work and raise kids just as we do. The protesters are the racists when it is all considered.

  46. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc I’m happy with it being called Invasion Day – just so long as they acknowledge they lost.

    That’s my view too. I’ve never understood why radical Aboriginal groups want to refer to Australia Day as Invasion Day. If it is then they lost and they can get stuffed. How this advances their cause and Aboriginal well-being is difficult to understand. I have been thinking of a post on this very point.

  47. Andrew of Randwick

    Aldi folds like a pack of cards because some people could be offended and because it is hit with a ‘social media storm” of unknown magnitude.
    And yet Woolies and Coles sail on undaunted making pokie machines more addictive and prevalent and alcohol more acceptable and available. Both sin products causing more measurable damage to our society – and dare I say it, mainly to the lower socio-economic groups which includes a disproportionate number of Aboriginal people.
    But hell we stopped a Tee-shirt. So the social media lion sleeps tonight satisfied with a good days work.

  48. Aristogeiton

    Hammy is a sophisticated troll. His new profile pic is of Alene Composta.

  49. Oh come on

    Aldi blew it! This is exactly the kind of publicity they want! Once the luvvies get into their screech stride, the t-shirt’s a guaranteed hit. They could mark it up by $10 over the planned RRP and it’d still sell like hotcakes. They’d have made a killing.

    Or perhaps they’re planning to conduct an A&E-style walkback to prolong the publicity?

    This is ridiculous. It’s just a commemorative message to mark Australia Day, not to be taken literally. Australia was not established in 1788; it was established in 1901. You could also make the argument that it was established in the mid-19th century when it became common to refer to the continent as ‘Australia’. Some might even say it was not truly established until 1942 with the passing of the Westminster Act in Canberra.

  50. Pickles

    “I think I was 13 when I decided to clear out. I got hold of a cheap horse and bound for nowhere in particular. With practically nothing on my back and no money in my pockets, away I went. I rode to Kapunda. I earned a few shillings there and I went on to the Burra. As I remember rightly, it was there that I swapped my horse with a bit to boot. I gradually worked my way north until at last I struck the Barrier.”

    “Working for Harry Raines was tough. Unforgettably tough. I got a job with him for 8 shillings a week to do as I was told. I used to sleep in the dugout, the coldest shop I was ever in. In those days people did not have big swags and a lot of bedding but just a rug. I had to get up early and hunt up the saddle horses. It was the only way to get warm. Sometimes I would After the big drought broke in 1869 a lot of cattle came over from the Flinders Ranges and any that he could get belonged to him. I was sent out with a bit of a rug and a little tucker in my swag to look for any stray cattle and sheep. It was all open country.”

  51. hammy

    I reckon Hammy is Sinc, stirring things up.

    Me Sinc! Oh the shame!

  52. Infidel Tiger

    They are not especially elegant looking designs (kinda says “bogan” to me), historically inaccurate, and probably made in a sweatshop by a 13 yr old girl in Bangladesh who should be in school.

    Don’t worry Steve. Now she has lost her job in textiles she’s a truck stop whore. She’ll be dead in a year or two.

  53. Aristogeiton

    To be more precise “was used by blogger ‘Alene Composta”.

  54. Walter Plinge

    ” historically inaccurate…”

    Really? That’s when the First Fleet arrived and when Australia started on its journey to becoming a civilised, advanced economy. That’s really something to celebrate, something to be proud of. 50,000 years (or so we’re told) of stone age tribalism is not worth celebrating or getting worked up over. Somewhat interesting to anthropologists, but that’s about it.

    I just shudder to think of what the fate of this landmass would have been if anyone other than the British had settled here. If it had been the Dutch, French, Germans, or Belgians this would undoubtedly be another Indonesia, Algeria, or Congo.

  55. .

    The UN has a major office in Bangkok, managing south east Asia. From their point of view…

    Child Work (mainly in factories) is supported and encouraged as a way of keeping young people from being exploited, e.g. meals and schooling are supplied, and life is better than being a rice paddy girl, or a child prostitute.
    Child Labour is targeted and discouraged. It mainly happens in rural areas where preventing hunger, sickness and death requires every beast of burden (inc. children) to work hard long hours.

    Farm work is as bad as child sexual abuse?

    The UN are silly city dwelling lunkheads. How could they say something so stupid?

  56. Andrew

    The shirts are true. The Aboriginals could not really call ‘their land’ being Australia a nation considering how primitive they were for the time. Australia was established in 1788 or if anything, 1901.

  57. Where’s that quote about “Child Work” come from?

  58. Andrew of Randwick

    Dot – poor people have to make ugly hard choices. Being a rice paddy girl does not exclude one from sexual abuse – its just not paid. My comment was not meant to make equivalence about the badness of the outcomes.
    The UN people I knew were well intentioned and worked in the field. Interestingly one European government does not give money to the UN to then distribute to projects – it fund the projects directly and put their own case managers in place, under auspice of the UN.

  59. Andrew of Randwick

    SoB, if you don’t know the distinction between Child Work and Child Labour then you need to read up on international development.

  60. struth

    Quoting Sid Kidman hey Pickles?

  61. .

    Fair enopugh they are well intentioned and sometimes lack eloquence, as we all are from time to time.

    Anyone who talks about child labour generally is a naive and ill informed person who is rather reckless about real world effects as compared to their imagined version of a righteous world.

    The developing economies need child labour. That or their population dies or cannot afford schooling.

  62. Pickles

    Yes Struth, got a load of books for Xmas. Kidman, The Leichhardt Diaries, The Leichhardt Papers, A Bastard of a Place and A History of Tasmania by Henry Reynolds. Three out of four aint bad.

  63. .

    “as well are do”

    LOL

    The pitfalls of incomplete editing.

  64. james

    People who spend 40,000 years inventing a stick to throw another stick further don’t deserve much consideration.

    It’s not as if they were particularly isolated, a massive maritime empire in what is now Indonesia even managed to colonize Madagascar and the Polynesians settled half the islands from Taiwan to New Zealand.

    It is not the fault of the blackfellas that they are used as a cultural battering ram by smug, snobbish rich whites to stare down their noses at the less enlightened, but it sure does make me want to burn an aboriginal flag.

  65. His Britannic Majesty King George III to Governor Arthur Phillip Esq., Captain-General and Governor-in-Chief of New South Wales:

    You are to endeavour by every possible means to open an intercourse with the natives, and to conciliate their affections, enjoining all our subjects to live in amity and kindness with them. And if any of our subjects shall wantonly destroy them or give them any unnecessary interruption in the exercise of their several occupations it is our will and pleasure that you do cause such offenders to be brought to punishment according to the degrees of the offence. You will endeavour to procure an account of numbers inhabiting the neighbourhood of the intended settlement, and report your opinion to one of our Secretaries of State in what manner our intercourse with these people may be turned to the advantage of this colony.

  66. Walter Plinge

    I emailed Aldi too, inquiring when the t-shirts will be available.

  67. Adam D

    Sinc I’m happy with it being called Invasion Day – just so long as they acknowledge they lost.

    Love it, I am going to use that in my next argument which surely won’t be long this time of year.

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m happy with it being called Invasion Day

    The military contingent of the First Fleet consisted of two hundred Royal Marines. Wouldn’t that have to be the smallest military contingent ever sent by anyone to invade anywhere?

  69. Alf

    Well yeah, it is historically inaccurate. Australia was not established in 1788, it was established in 1901. Hammy, I admire your work.

  70. .

    So Phillip became a full General [or Admiral] (as the *four star* rank was once called Captain-General, held out of the Kingdom in lieu of the King {in the kingdom you may have been promoted to Lieutenant General under the King’s Captain-Generalship) [as is my understanding] on his commission as Governor becoming active?

    That’s pretty cool.

  71. gabrianga

    Dear Mr face ache as a b0rn and bred Glasgow keelie I hasten to remind you that dear old Glasgow with it’s three universities and world reknowned Art Galleries cleaned up it’s act and was the European City of Culture in 1990

    Second place went to Oenpelli in the NT.

  72. Rudiau

    Onya Woolfe,

    Woolfe VRWC @woolfe
    Australia 1788 T Shirts. Yep, available on the net. australianchoice.com.au/gifts-pic.asp?… #aldi

  73. Notafan

    Wasn’t an early group of people wiped out by aborigines?
    I always remember a Durack book where the uncles though the locals had scappered leaving a goanna baking on the fire, but it wasn’t a goanna…
    I don’t know with Australian abortion practices I can criticize other cultural practices that are now conveniently forgotten.
    The aborigines should be glad it was the English who invaded as it might have been someone else who made sure there was no-one left to do any complaining.

  74. .

    Actually ALF the Federal Council of Australiasia started in 1885 and the British had the ‘Australian Squadron’ by 1859 posted here, Sir Charles Fitzroy and Sir William Denison were both Governor of New South Wales and Governor-General of Australia before Federation and the Colonial Office in London had an Australian section before Federation.

    In 1901, the colonies of British controlled Australia federated to what would seen be called a dominion, as the Commonwealth.

  75. Michel Lasouris

    ” historically inaccurate…”
    Walter. It would have been even worse.. Japan would have taken Australia and obliterated the Aborigines, who should thank their lucky stars ( or the Woggul, or whatever) that they only had to content with a relatively benign British colonisation.

  76. Sirocco

    Hey Alf’s back! Where were you the other night? Never mind. Define the word “established”. Seriously was Australia “established” about 37 million years ago when it broke off from Gondwana land? Was that the “established” you were thinking of?

  77. Gab

    That’s when the First Fleet arrived and when Australia started on its journey to becoming a civilised, advanced economy. That’s really something to celebrate, something to be proud of. 50,000 years (or so we’re told) of stone age tribalism is not worth celebrating or getting worked up over. Somewhat interesting to anthropologists, but that’s about it.

    If only that could fit on a Tee-Shirt.

    Well said.

  78. Michel Lasouris

    Hammy’s latest reincarnation looks like a young ….Oh whatshisname, you know that totally unprepossessing prat who waffles on Channel nine Oak…Oak Dammit, you know the one who thinks he’s God’s gift to the Press, but isn’t……..Got it! Laurie Oakes.

  79. JC

    Well yeah, it is historically inaccurate. Australia was not established in 1788, it was established in 1901. Hammy, I admire your work.

    And that demands a protest to Aldi, Alf you fucking idiot.

  80. JC

    I was far too nice to Leftwingers in 2013. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

  81. Jannie

    Maybe Hammy is not Sinc, as Sinc assures, but Hammy is about as real as Alene Composta. I dont think its possible for a real person to tick so many victimhood boxes and still be completely devoid of original thought.

  82. Bill Clark's nephew

    lovely T-shirts. Great sentiment, but wrong. Australia was established in 1901, at Federation. In 1788 Phillip annexed the eastern part of the continent and established the colony of New South Wales. It was Flinders in 1804 who first circumnavigated the continent, and thus revealed its detailed shape and size. He was also the first to apply the name Australia to the continent.

  83. mizaris

    (kinda says “bogan” to me),

    I’m happy to channel my inner bogan – get me a t shirt!!!

  84. Gab

    Lordy what pedantic idiots.

    The land we’ve been calling Australia since 1824 was established in 1788.

    But that’s too wordy for a tee-shirt.

  85. struth

    Go for it JC as they are truly the enemy of freedom and happiness. I believe we humour them too much and should fight fire with hotter fires.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I always remember a Durack book

    Check Tom Ronan’s biography of his father “The Deep of the Sky” – he quotes eyewitnesses to a similar discovery in the Kimberleys.

  87. Gab

    And to be perfectly accurate, in 1901 “Australia” was neither establisehd nor formalised.

    The Commonwealth of Australia indeed was.

  88. Oh come on

    This is just another salvo in the fight by certain sections of the left to degrade the concept of Australia Day and rail against the Australian flag cape wearers they so despise. I doubt that any aboriginals would have been part of the initial wave of condemnation. After all, they claim that the continent consisted of several hundred nations when Europeans first arrived, so they lose nothing by accepting that Australia as a political entity was established either when British settlers first landed or at some point after that.

  89. Gab

    This is just another salvo in the fight by certain sections of the left to degrade the concept of Australia Day

    Yes God forbid we should be proud of our nation.

  90. Notafan

    The Durack incident was also in the Kimberley the book might be the Rock and the Sand? Will have a look for the other thankyou

  91. Jazza

    What balderdash! Who’s complained–the Anne Summers type would-be ball breakers?
    Here goes the viral underground net buying of them now–where do I send my cheque for one?

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Notafan – Tom Ronan’s book fairly comprehensively poo poos the view that the Aboriginal fugitive “Pigeon” was some sort of resistance fighter – Ronan’s claim was that Pigeon shot his boss and went bush over payment for intimate services rendered by Mrs Pigeon. Have you read any other of Tom Ronan’s books?

  93. Walter Plinge

    Aldi, along with the other supermarkets, should, to be consistent to progressive principles, remove all items with an Australian flag on them. Selectively withdrawing a t-shirt because of a date is wimpish hypocrisy.

    I think it’s a fair bet there are many items in the shops with 1788 on them.

    Talking about the Duracks referenced above I still get a chuckle how Elizabeth Durack turned out fake aboriginal paintings by the yard. Not hard to do of course. Just takes a bit a spare time, sheets of Masonite, and tubes of cheap Chinese-made acrylic paint.

    Elizabeth Durack: (1915 – 2000) Australian

    A Western Australian artist, who signed paintings as the work of Eddie Burrup, who it turned out, was a non existent aboriginal artist.

  94. calli

    This t shirt gave me the shits, considering my taxes paid for it, and the ‘performer’ wearing it.
    A pity this creature’s political career wasn’t nipped in the bud soon after…would’ve saved a lot of heartache.

  95. Gab

    Aldi, along with the other supermarkets, should, to be consistent to progressive principles, remove all items with an Australian flag on them.

    And they should remove all items with ‘made in Australia’ on them to be true to their “progressive” cause.

  96. Steve of Glasshouse

    One of my treasured possessions is a Unveristy of Queensland hoody..Medicine. ( dot the i etc)
    Relative showed me the error and mentioned the fact that that entire run was going to be sent back and new versions printed. Naturally, I had to have one..
    Email Aldi and ask them to reconsider their position.

  97. Steve of Glasshouse

    JC..drop the capital L with leftwingers for a start..

  98. Steve of Glasshouse

    So, if the nasty Brits hadn’t turned up in 1788, the indigenous people of ????? would still be living the dream today. Really?

  99. DAGoodfellow

    France became France only after the Franks arrived, not when the Gauls occupied the land. Germany had to await the arrival of the Germanic peoples. The Japanese were latecomers to Japan. England was not England until after the arrival of the Angles. Australia could not come into existence until the arrival of the first fleet in 1788.

  100. Bruce

    Boat people c 50,000 BP good.

    Boat people c 12,000 BP good (except for the now Tasmanian Aboriginals who were wiped out on the mainland).

    Boat people 1788 bad.

    Boat people 2014 good.

    Stuff it, I can’t keep up with progressive policy anymore.

    Perhaps if Aldi sold “Australia est. 1788″ and “Australia Invaded 1788″ people could choose which they want to wear.

  101. Ronaldo

    This t shirt gave me the shits

    Calli, I always interpreted that t shirt as an fully justified apology for the songs Garrett was pumping out.

  102. Docket62

    Australia1788.com.au is available…..

    I’m just sayin’

  103. Oh come on

    Perhaps if Aldi sold “Australia est. 1788″ and “Australia Invaded 1788″ people could choose which they want to wear.

    Yep, that’d be a happy solution.

  104. jupes

    Aldi pandering to a minority of permanently aggrieved leftards. What a stupid cowardly thing to do.

    Aldi are German so the lefties knew which button to push. Germans are more susceptable to being called ‘racist’ than anyone else.

  105. hammy

    Got it! Laurie Oakes.

    That’s just too complimentary to Sinc, who’s just not that good a commentator.

    Oh well enough fun with gravatars today. Back to my main one.

  106. A Lurker

    It amuses me that Aboriginal activists and various Progressives have their panties in a knot over Austral…sorry, Invasion Day.

    If Britain had decided that their Empire was large enough as is, and that further exploration and settlement in the Southern Hemisphere wasn’t on their agenda, then you’d have to be utterly deluded to think the australian landmass would have remained undiscovered, not interfered with, and not colonised by another expansionist empire.

    I mean both the French and the Dutch had interests in the region, Indonesia would not have remained in Indonesia if the australian landmass hadn’t been claimed, and I suspect that definitely Japan, and maybe even China might have tried to plant their respective flags on it as well.

    How this would have panned out for the Aboriginals is unknown, but I suspect that Aboriginals under non-European rule would have come to a sticky end. All in all I reckon the Brits were the best of a generally bad lot, and the Aboriginals should be thanking their lucky stars that they missed a bullet, instead of whinging and whining.

  107. Notafan

    Zulu I haven’t though I did note two other titles by Ronan listed on abebooks which I have on my to buy list, I’m a little miffed I hadn’t heard of him before. Thankyou

  108. Gab

    Oh well enough fun with gravatars today.

    Aww and I missed it ‘n all. I am now bereft, I am.

  109. JC

    A few people have raised the issue when oz was technically created, but who the fuck cares.

    Aldi could sell T-shirts saying Est. 1998 and they are perfectly in their right to do so. However a bunch of scumbags complained because we don’t own the land, the “original owners” do. These people are mentally ill and Aldi is enabling this scum. Aldi is enabling mental sickness.

  110. Bons

    Continues….
    And Hammy is deeply disappointed that her Anglo name precludes her from obtaining a position with the ABC; but she has joined the campus genealogy club to identify evidence of her Aboriginality about which she is certain.

    How’s that Aliice?

  111. jupes

    … we don’t own the land, the “original owners” do.

    Now THAT is fucking offensive.

  112. Bruce

    Scullin is back! I’m sad. I thought the Composta imposter icon was rather elegant, Hammy, given our debates into your exegesis. You have possibilities, indeed dangers Gareth, of eventual sanity.

  113. Leo G

    Perhaps if Aldi sold “Australia est. 1788″ and “Australia Invaded 1788″ people could choose which they want to wear. Yep, that’d be a happy solution.
    But wasn’t it New South Wales that was established in 1788, and that included New Zealand but not those parts of the Australian mainland enclosed by the area mapped by Tasman and Jansz?
    Australians have always been a bit confused about who they were (even where and when), it seems to me.
    Until the early 1820′s Australia, or Terra Australia Incognita, referred to the land that was presumed to enclose the South Pole. Flinders appropriated the name on the basis of his certainty that no polar continent existed. He called the native inhabitants Australians but the European newcomers thought the word was more becoming on themselves and the continent came to be called Australia.
    But I’m OK with Australia and 1788 and all the inconsistencies – even the January 26th date as the anniversary. The T-shirt is great and should be a collectible. I really like the red white and blue without the miniature UK flag.

  114. Andrew of Randwick

    After an earlier diversion into where and how Tee shirts are made, I want to share a more important matter.
    .
    My 4.5 year old corrected me today and said ‘that is not the Australian flag, this is’. So after 2 years of indoctrination at a government subsidised child care centre she can tell me what that red means earth, yellow means sun, and black means people when describing the Aboriginal flag. I guess the (enforced) week long celebration of NAIDOC week left its mark, along with Harmony Day.
    But she does not know the Australian flag and the symbols upon it. No one has ever shown it to her at child care. No conception of the Federation Star, the Southern Cross, the Union Jack, or the field of blue.
    .
    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?

  115. Tintarella di Luna

    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?

    Andrew sounds like a good idea. I am sure your little girl will never forget what the symbols on the real Australian flag mean because her Daddy took the trouble to tell her.

  116. Cold-Hands

    Hammy’s latest reincarnation looks like a young ….Oh whatshisname, you know that totally unprepossessing prat who waffles on Channel nine Oak…Oak Dammit, you know the one who thinks he’s God’s gift to the Press, but isn’t……..Got it! Laurie Oakes.

    It actually was a photo that first appeared accompanying a testimonial on a wart removal ad and then was immortalised as Alene Composta.

  117. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Dear Aldi,

    As a longtime customer of yours (I shop at [this store] or else at [that store]), I’m disappointed that you have caved to the politically correct ferals who plague us every Australia Day.

    Your “Australia, Est 1788″ tshirts are excellent and I would have been happy to buy a couple for myself and my daughter. It’s just such a shame that the bleatings of permanent whingers on social media have removed my choice as a consumer to purchase a tshirt.

    Seriously. A tshirt? I guess you can now start bringing in a range of shirts with a picture of Ernie Dingo in a possum skin cloak and a caption of “Welcome To Australia” with “Australia” crossed out and replaced by “ALDI” or something equally stupid. I’m sure you’ll sell plenty.

    After all, the “Welcome To Country” is a confected piece of pantomime thought up in the 1970s by Mr. Dingo, as is a lot of this outrage. It’s not about people being offended. It’s about shutting down difference of opinion in 2014. (http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/ernie-dingo-claims-the-first-welcome/story-e6frg13u-1225841699929)

    I suspect right about now you will be finding out that you have a bucketload of unhappy customers. As one of many, please reconsider your decision to remove the shirts and I’d be happy to buy some. I have friends who also want one.

    Regards,
    nilk
    [redacted]

  118. calli

    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?

    In a word, yes.

    And every year thereafter. What you do with what you observe is entirely up to you.

  119. Tintarella di Luna

    However a bunch of scumbags complained

    Yeah, and that bunch of scumbags wouldn’t enter an Aldi store if their life depended on it. The PR department must be run by female wymmins ejakayded in social sciences at one of the current institutions of higher lower learning.

  120. Jessie

    James @5.17 comment: It’s not as if they were particularly isolated
    Bruce @7.25pm
    Your source:

    Wooden spears, waddies (clubs, or throwing sticks), and flaked-stone tools and weapons were produced. Bone implements, basketry, and bark canoes for coastal travel were also made. A few rock carvings depicting natural objects and conventionalized symbols have survived.

    Other source:

    Tools used to get food are compared between wild chimpanzees in western Tanzania and aboriginal Tasmanians at the time of European contact. Systematic qualitative and quantitative comparison is enabled by use of Oswalt’s taxonomy of subsistence technology. The results show surprising similarity in the number of items in the tool kit, raw materials used, proportion of tools made versus those used unchanged, extent of complexity, type of prey, etc. Key contrasts also emerge: only human tools have more than one type of component and are made using other tools. Overall, however, the gap between the most technically diverse human tool kit and the simplest human material culture seems narrow.

    McGrew WC (1987) Tools to Get Food: The Subsistants of Tasmanian Aborigines and Tanzanian Chimpanzees Compared Journal of Anthropological Research, Vol. 43, No. 3 (Autumn), p 247-258

    Anthropologists et al have silenced any science and scientists in the field. They also silence many remote Aboriginal people that do not follow the narrative. As do some Aborigines silence their own kith and kin, as Bolt was silenced. Australian archaeological work is almost non-existent or controlled by one faction. Academics try to publish but when discovered have their papers and/or careers destroyed.

    Children continue to suffer abominable lives. Unimaginable lives of horror.
    When Australia was established a civilisation and society of schools, health care, employment, housing, technology etc was introduced. Charities and individuals also served the more needy.
    Aldi should be ashamed.

  121. Mater

    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?

    Yes Andrew, I suspect so. I’m waiting for the start of the school year so that the ‘dads can now marrydads’ lesson can be revisited/corrected.

  122. stackja

    Dover_beach
    #1141149, posted on January 8, 2014 at 4:11 pm
    The culture wars are back
    They never left.

    While ALP was in power the war was cold. Now with TA it is hot again.

    JC
    #1141422, posted on January 8, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    A few people have raised the issue when oz was technically created, but who the fuck cares.
    Aldi could sell T-shirts saying Est. 1998 and they are perfectly in their right to do so. However a bunch of scumbags complained because we don’t own the land, the “original owners” do. These people are mentally ill and Aldi is enabling this scum. Aldi is enabling mental sickness.

    “original owners”

    The earliest definite human remains found to date are that of Mungo Man, which have been dated at about 40,000 years old, but the time of arrival of the ancestors of Indigenous Australians is a matter of debate among researchers, with estimates dating back as far as 125,000 years ago.

  123. Noddy

    Mater
    #1141544, posted on January 8, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?
    Yes Andrew, I suspect so. I’m waiting for the start of the school year so that the ‘dads can now marrydads’ lesson can be revisited/corrected.

    Yeah, and suffer ‘baa, baa rainbow sheep’… that’s what I learnt at school.

  124. hammy

    Scullin is back! I’m sad. I thought the Composta imposter icon was rather elegant, Hammy

    Just me being a bit mischievous, Bruce. It did prove that rightists have absolutely no sense of humour though!

  125. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Will I have to watch every week of content as she embarks on primary school next year?

    Yes. In Preps, my girl was taught that Japanese people are evil because they kill and eat whales. No comment on Norwegians or Eskimos eating whales. Advent that year at a state school the kids were taught comparative religion, so I was asked about Eid. Before going off my nut at the school, I asked if she learned about Hanukkah. Apparently she did.

    Great. Theology for six year olds.

    In Grade One, I learned that white people are mean to black people. No response to the question from me: what about black people being mean to white people. Oops. That doesn’t rate a mention.

    Grade Two was all about Earth Hour and how we have to turn everything off so we can save the environment. Pointing out that the world is rather large and turning off the fridge cannot possibly effect change in a small village in Africa brought on a bit of cognitive dissonance, so we agreed to stop the conversation. :(

  126. candy

    Perhaps Australia Day should be abolished and incorporated into Anzac Day. One less public holiday won’t hurt us.

    It’s great that the PM is going to alter the Constitution to incorporate our original inhabitants, and K.Rudd’s apology was a wonderful thing for reconciliation, but some time to celebrate the beginnings of our civilisation, our Anglo Saxon heritage, could be done separately at Anzac Day without the activists compromising it and everybody happy. Something for everyone?

  127. nilk, Iron Bogan

    Oh, and some schools start sex ed as early as Grade Three. That was several years ago so it may be even earlier.

  128. nilk, Iron Bogan

    K.Rudd’s apology was a wonderful thing for reconciliation..

    Exactly how was it a wonderful thing for reconciliation, Candy? Other than giving the activists yet another club to beat whitey with?

  129. Alf

    Aldi are claiming that it acted in response to a ‘limited’ number of people complaining. If that’s true wouldn’t it be better to direct your anger/sarcasm or whatever else at Aldi for buckling so easily? Maybe Leo has the solution.

  130. Sinclair Davidson

    One less public holiday won’t hurt us.

    What? Now all of a sudden you’re an economic rationalist?

  131. stackja

    candy
    #1141600, posted on January 8, 2014 at 9:45 pm
    Perhaps Australia Day should be abolished and incorporated into Anzac Day. One less public holiday won’t hurt us.

    The Left want to abolish Anzac Day and substitute Australia Day then change Australia Day to Invasion Day. ALP will not want to lose a holiday and the extra pay rates.

  132. Robert Blair

    No more will I shop at Aldi.

    Weak gutted tossers.

  133. jumpnmcar

    Good to see a bit of Patriotism back at the Cat after that disgusting display on the “Australia the best place to live and work in the world” thread. ( they know who they are ).
    Warms the heart.

  134. Riverina Matt

    … but some time to celebrate the beginnings of our civilisation, our Anglo Saxon heritage, could be done separately at Anzac Day without the activists compromising it and everybody happy.

    No. ANZAC Day isn’t some generic “feel-good about being Australian” event. It is a day set aside to commemorate the service of those who served their country in time of war – especially those who did not return or returned home broken.

    Australia Day is a celebration (or it should be – I wouldn’t blame Aboriginies for not celebrating), ANZAC Day is a commemoration and a solemn event. The two days are completely different.

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    change Australia Day to Invasion Day

    Doesn’t that beg a few questions about that “invasion” Like how resistance to that “invasion’ consisted of spearing a few settlers and their families, and, in the end, was about the most ineffectual ever mounted? That history records few incidences of a race conquered so utterly, and, in the end merging so completely with their conquerors? All thoses incidences of those Aborigines who accepted that the “invaders” weren’t going away, and accepted their lot – white useage of the land, in exchange for work for the young men, and rations for their extended families? Just asking ……

  136. JC

    Aldi are claiming that it acted in response to a ‘limited’ number of people complaining. If that’s true wouldn’t it be better to direct your anger/sarcasm or whatever else at Aldi for buckling so easily? Maybe Leo has the solution.

    We did, you incredibly stupid person. But we should also direct anger towards the scum that take offense to this too. Why should they be left off the hook?

  137. candy

    Exactly how was it a wonderful thing for reconciliation, Candy?

    I just feel it was the right thing, Nilk, as with upgrading the words in the Constitution as the proposed changes. It’s done and we move on, hopefully. It’s enough.

  138. Eyrie

    ZK2A, can you imagine those 200 marines?
    Dear colonel,
    If you have ever wanted to get rid of the screwups in your unit, have I got a deal for you!
    His Majesty needs 200 marines to guard the convicts we’re sending to NSW. Quick return not guaranteed.

    As for the aborigines, they a lucky the Maoris found NZ congenial or they would have come over and eaten them. Alternatively in WW2 if the Empire of the Rising Sun had won the remaining white Australians would be servants to the Japanese overlords and there would be Japanese Eco tourism in Australia, thinning out the savages with tourist hunting parties.

  139. Rabz

    Am I missing something here? FFS, why is the hammburglar’s profile pic of any fucking relevance to anything, peoples?

    It was dead mother this morning and now he’s back to the dead dinosaur he used for many moons previously.

    So fucking what.

    He’s still a genocidal, totalitarian deadshit. He could change his profile pic to a smiley face and it wouldn’t alter that fact.

    Stop indulging the vile toad.

  140. … we don’t own the land, the “original owners” do.

    Now THAT is fucking offensive.

    It never occurred to me that “first in, best dressed” might have overtones of morality. Did Sir Edmund Hillary own Mt Everest by being the first to climb it? I’ve never seen a regressive claim that…

  141. JC

    Stop indulging the vile toad.

    My sentiments eggsactly

  142. Rabz

    Oh and aldi – you’ve now lost my business., which you never had in the first place.

    There’s a local aldi here in ZP and some friends of mine had recommended I start using it – was thinking buying a coffee machine from them and checking their other retail products, but no, it’s now not going to happen.

    “social media” is a chimera, you clueless fucking clowns.

    Make stupid, panicky decisions like these in haste and your bottom line will suffer in the long run.

    Principles of Business 101, morons.

  143. JC

    Are you having a kumbaya moment Candy? Harden the fuck up.

    The first white settlers never wanted to be here in the first place. They were convicts. If there’s anyone owing an apology it’s the British.

  144. Leo G

    “Maybe Leo has the solution.”

    Except it wasn’t Leo’s solution, but Bruce’s (at 7:25pm)- Leo forgot the block-quoting.

  145. JC

    Oh and aldi – you’ve now lost my business., which you never had in the first place.

    Me too, although haven’t set foot in a supermarket for yonks. If I had business to do I wouldn’t go near the fuckers now. Gutless douchebags.

    In fact I’ll tweet them when I get a mid to it.

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Curse you , Eyrie – that’s good Abelour I’ ve just sprayed over the screen.

    I was assured in New Zealand a few years by a gentleman who was part of a Maori reenactment group, and who pinged my accent that “We would have eaten all of them.”

  147. Gab

    What would be more effective than just complaining here is sending Aldi an email registering your disgust at them pandering to the minority that use social media.

    https://customerservice.aldi.com.au/

    [Aldi] Customer Service Form
    Your questions and comments are important to us.

    Or shoot off an email to their PR agency:

    MEDIA ENQUIRIES
    All media enquiries should be directed to our PR Agency:

    PPR Sydney
    Telephone: (02) 9818 0907
    aldi(at)ppr.com.au

  148. candy

    Are you having a kumbaya moment Candy? Harden the fuck up.

    No, JC, I’ve always held that opinion. And I’m good with the proposed change to the Constitution.
    It finalises things, and we’re done. We’ve done the appropriate recognition. I can’t see what is wrong with that.

  149. Louis Hissink

    Aldi,

    PC in its more banal form – what could Aldi do, sell them and then get hit with Section 18C ?

    Aldi’s corporate responsibility is to its shareholders, not to some 3rd party moralistic posture.

    The crime is that it had to stop selling as a result of some minority social media bleating.

    Seems few here seem to actually understand the idea of freedom of expression.

  150. JC

    Recognition for what though- that their ancestors were before the rest of us? Big fucking deal.

  151. Rabz

    Seems few here seem to actually understand the idea of freedom of expression.

    ???

    :x

  152. Rabz

    Thanks Sweetest, they’re about hear from me in no uncertain terms.

  153. candy

    Aldi had to bow to the pressure before it gained more momentum. It was a realistic thing to do. Funnily enough, it makes the activists looks really petty. They wanted more attention.

  154. Louis Hissink

    Rabz, fishing, fishing…..

  155. Louis Hissink

    And then is Aldi a public stock company or a private one? If the former its reaction is correct. If the latter then woosie.

  156. JC

    Thanks Gab.

    I sent the gutless cowards this.

    I can’t believe you gutless cowards removed those T-shirts, with “Australia est. 1788″ emblazoned on the front, from stores because received a little pressure from a few diabolical nutjobs. You’ve lost my business forever. Way to go. And there are lots of other people who feel the same way. Be sure I’ll trash Aldi when the topic arises

  157. JohnA

    Bill Clark’s nephew #1141291, posted on January 8, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    lovely T-shirts. Great sentiment, but wrong. Australia was established in 1901, at Federation. In 1788 Phillip annexed the eastern part of the continent and established the colony of New South Wales. It was Flinders in 1804 who first circumnavigated the continent, and thus revealed its detailed shape and size. He was also the first to apply the name Australia to the continent.

    Terra Australia Incognito was considerably earlier – and it’s Latin, hence the italics.

  158. Gab

    Recognition for what though

    Recognition that they are better than those of us born here but with no Aboriginal heritage and white skin.

  159. You’ve lost my business forever.

    When did you last set foot in an Aldi, blowhard JC?

    Aldi will be quivering about the loss of your imaginary future custom.

  160. JohnA

    Oops Terra Australis Incognito

  161. Gab

    Recognition that those of us attached and belonging to this land, knowing no other land, and with ancestry covering only 225 years or less, are not as special and have not made any contributions to building a great, free, civilized nation.

    Recognition of imposed guilt we are supposed to carry for generations to come.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    FFS!
    When are the people who should be managing these corporations going to tell their pony-tailed PR hacks that they don’t give a shit that 200 people are getting wound up on Twitter?
    (Most of the Twitter action would have been fed out of the PR departments of Coles and Woollies anyway).
    This is exactly like the greenies putting pressure on Target to charge for plastic bags, the proceeds of which went to charity, with the major effect being to piss off Target customers.
    When Target dropped the bag levy, the same greenies were all over them for “stealing money from da children” by stopping the charity donations.
    The point is, none of these fucking hipsters will ever set foot inside a Target or Aldi anyway, so why not simply shrug and tell them to go fuck themselves. It might actually generate some goodwill from their real customers.
    You can’t win so don’t appease them.

  163. Gab

    Aldi will be quivering about the loss of your imaginary future custom.

    Given that Aldi is already quivering from a bunch of losers on social media, I’d say they will be quivering further at the number of complaints they are getting from people like JC, you snot-nosed pathetic creep.

  164. Rabz

    Most of the Twatter action would have been fed out of the PR departments of Coles and Woollies anyway

    Gee, now there’s a surprise!

  165. Gab

    Recognition that not all peoples are equal under our Constitution in the 21st century.

  166. JC

    When did you last set foot in an Aldi, blowhard JC?

    What’s it to you, fuck knuckle? As far as they’re concerned lots and lots of times.

    Aldi will be quivering about the loss of your imaginary future custom.

    Well they quivered about a bunch of lunatic leftwingers on twitter, so if a few people complain like I did, they’ll think twice about pulling this shit next time around.

    Why are you talking about this, Stepford. You should be figuring out how best to come to terms with the fact the Climate models are totally fucked.

  167. Aldi has the brains to know that if those complaining about this are from the rich end of town, they probably rarely set foot in the door; and if they are right wing pensioners with nothing better to do than email complaints about this and global warming, their indignation is not going to keep them away from a particularly cheap doo-dah on sale in two weeks time.

  168. nic

    They say Invasion Day like it was a bad thing.

  169. Rabz

    You should be figuring out how best to come to terms with the fact the Climate models are totally fucked.

    And yet another year of home detention.

  170. Rabz

    They say Invasion Day like it was a bad thing.

    Just as the frogs do about June 6, 1944.

  171. Leo G

    “Terra Australia Incognito was considerably earlier “

    So, are we really Incognitons? I’m sure many aboriginal leftists would be happy if we were Incognito.

  172. Rabz

    Semenblogger, it’s particularly heartening to see you here, furiously defending this abject example of utter stupidity.

  173. candy

    Steve
    I gather from the above you realise that Aldi’s rational business decision has taken the wind out of the activists’ sails virtually within a few hours.

  174. entropy

    Old man bought a $149 Aldi phone today. Seems OK even though the screen looks like oversaturated crap compared with the screen on an iPhone. Why so many android phones go with excessively saturated greens and blues is beyond me, it offends my sense of good taste by making everything look like an animation.

    But it is one fifth the price of an iPhone, so it gets a pass.
    The bugger didn’t get me a t-shirt either.

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It finalises things and we’re done

    Candy, no disrespect intended but I don’t share your optimism. I saw the holder of a pastoral lease here in the Wild West – originally, under the “Mabo” legislation, the granting of a pastoral lease extinguished native title – that was later reversed- he battled through the courts for years as the taxpayer funded a series of native title claims to the point where he just surrendered the lease and walked off.

    I was applying for Government funding for a revegetation progamme – One of the questions asked was had I “asked permission from the “traditional owners” of the land.” The “traditional owners of the land” (which had been freehold since the late 1940′s, and exempt from the Mabo legislation) actually lived two hundred kilometers away, and had never set foot on the land in their lives.

    Sorry Candy, I don’t share your optimism. IMHO, the only people who will do well out of any Constitutional change will be the lawyers.

  176. Time to channel Obama to turn it back onto the regressives…

    “Aborigines, you did not build this”. Get on board with the commies, and you get what you deserve.

  177. struth

    Candy, I love your attitude but if you think they want constitutional recognition so they can all finally put all this to bed, give us a big love up, shake our hands and say “that’s it, that’s all we wanted” I might suggest to you to check your cookie jar.

  178. struth

    Most of these people complaining on behalf of aborigines wouldn’t know one if they fell over him. Time to take this back to the cause.
    The education system.

  179. Native Title is a bonanza in my stretch of this great land. For lawyers.
    Nobody else is getting anything from it. I shudder to think how much has been spent by the feds, financing both sides of an endless string of legal stoushes as each tribe claims another tribe’s land and vice versa.
    You couldn’t make it up!
    There hasn’t been a scrap of difference in the life of the ordinary blackfeller, nor will there ever be.

  180. Cool Head

    Love calling it invasion day – we won, they lost. Perpetual reminder of their inferior culture.

  181. Oh come on

    As mentioned above, Aldi should have ordered a batch of Australia: Invaded in 1788 tees and sold them alongside the Australia: Est 1788 tees. I don’t have a problem with that. And it would put the luvvies in a distinctly difficult situation.

    So let me get this straight, pinko. You’re happy with us selling the Invasion Day shirts, but you won’t accept the Australia Day shirts? It’d be a PR disaster for the left.

  182. james

    Candy it won’t end with constitutional change.

    White Lefties have to feel superior to “bogans” and blacks are a convenient moral club.

  183. Steve of Glasshouse

    I’m still waiting for my reply from Aldi corporate. I want one of those shirts.

  184. .

    Native title is well intentioned but confused with poor results.

    It didn’t consider agreements settlers made with Aboriginal warlords (like Windradyne). It should not have automatically applied everywhere in its current form. If there is no native title, then “traditional ownership” should never be brought up in officialdom. As a system of title, it is pretty crappy – communal and non trasnferable, and lacking in commercial application and mineral rights. The economic benefits are negligible.

    It works if you want to have exclusive rights over fishing using traditional methods, which I guess is good for some. The list of undecided claims is hanging over the heads of pastorlists, miners and the Aboriginal communities alike.

  185. .

    On the subject of archeology and anthropology, has anyone ever outlined the extent of Aboriginal trade routes, industry, agriculture and permamency of settlement?

    I believe it would be quite interesting. There is bit of a popular myth that Aboriginal communities are homogenous from place to place.

    Australia would have been colonised otherwise. I believe upthread it was mentioned that there is some fairly reliable evidence to suggest the Portuguese may have found Australia the 1500s. We know European discovery goes back to at least 1606.

  186. The T shirt saga continues.

    This morning the media is trying to make the case that Tony Abbott approved “racist” T shirts”.

    It was “approved” for the use of the Australian flag by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet in July last year well before the election.

  187. struth

    If Abbott doesn’t come out swinging we are all doomed. It’s that simple. It really is.
    What a tragedy for Australia. Julie Bishop for PM is the best outcome we could hope for now.

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The military contingent of the First Fleet consisted of two hundred Royal Marines. Wouldn’t that have to be the smallest military contingent ever sent by anyone to invade anywhere?

    No. A Captain Jones in his ship Ranger led an American invasion force of fifteen stalwarts to invade Britain via the town of Whitehaven in 1778. They retreated drunk, but unhurt. The event is still celebrated in Whitehaven with an official American presence at the re-enactment:

    The wind having shifted, Ranger recrossed the Irish Sea to make another attempt at raiding Whitehaven. Jones led the assault with two boats of fifteen men on April 23, 1778, just after midnight, hoping to set fire to and sink all Whitehaven’s ships anchored in harbor (numbering between 200 to 400 wooden vessels), which consisted of a full merchant fleet and many coal transporters. They also hoped to terrorize the townspeople by lighting further fires. As it happened, the journey to shore was slowed by the still-shifting wind, as well as a strong ebb tide. The spiking of the town’s big defensive guns to prevent them being fired was accomplished successfully, but lighting fires proved difficult, as the lanterns in both boats had run out of fuel. To remedy this, some of the party were therefore sent to raid a public house on the quayside, but the temptation to stop for a quick drink led to a further delay. By the time they returned, and the arson attacks began, dawn was fast approaching, so efforts were concentrated on a single ship, the coal ship Thompson, in the hope that the flames would spread to adjacent vessels, all grounded by the low tide.[10] However, in the twilight, one of the crew slipped away and alerted residents on a harbourside street. A fire alert was sounded, and large numbers of people came running to the quay, forcing the Americans to retreat, and extinguishing the flames with the town’s two fire-engines. However, hopes of sinking Jones’s boats with cannon fire were dashed by the prudent spiking.[12]

  189. Tintarella di Luna

    No more will I shop at Aldi.

    Costco is a great alternative. I love it — I know they don’t carry lines of distilled ear-wigs urine and Spitfire and Mustang Mustard but I can order that on line when I need it. Aldi is gone for me.

  190. Tintarella di Luna

    Native title is well intentioned but confused with poor results.

    A guest law lecturer during 1996 to whom I spoke after the lecture told me the Native Title Act was the biggest con job — thanks for nothing from the moue-mouthed Keating

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    On the subject of archeology and anthropology, has anyone ever outlined the extent of Aboriginal trade routes, industry, agriculture and permamency of settlement?

    Dot, before it was ‘taken over’ and removed from competent professional anthropologists, the Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies did sterling work tracing the variability in aboriginal cultures, where the pattern shown is consistent with other pre-Neolithic communities – ritualised trade routes, some specialisation in weaponry for trade, and in a few places a hint of aquaculture and permanent settlement for certain periods of the year, but no significant architecture, only bark humpies. Jarred Diamond uses ecological factors (lack of suitable plants and animals) plus a cultural rigidity and isolation (no impetus to change) to explain the continuing ‘stone-age’ existence. Early European adventurers saw little reason to populate this place; there were bigger pickings at that time in the Americas, Asia and the Indies.

    When the Frenchies came sniffing around here in the Revolutionary and Napoleonic period, the Brits saw a solution to that issue in the forced sending this way of its surplus city dwellers, albeit unwilling, to have a go at colonisation.

  192. I find it absolutely hilarious, all this “you are dead to me, Aldi” reaction.

    What a bunch of twerps with nothing important to worry about. (And that’s allowing that you could say the same thing about those who got too uptight about the slight caused by the shirts in the first place.)

  193. .

    Excellent, is there anything on the trade routes and specialisation you can post a link of?

  194. .

    Steve – you are saying people are contemptible if they don’t agree with what Aldi do.

    What a bizzare theory.

  195. I am saying you might disagree with Aldi’s decision, but wanting to punish them for it is very silly.

    But carry on. I am expecting a Catallaxy led protest in front of one in Adelaide, which will then march to Cory’s office in support of him.

  196. .

    It’s not silly at all Steve. The twitter campaign they responded to – both the response and “outrage” were silly.

  197. JC

    Stepford

    Stop focusing your energies on Aldi.

    You need to start thinking about the climate models and the fact they’re fucked. Do the right thing.

  198. JC

    While avoiding the obvious, Dot ( avoiding the mess climate models are in) Stepford, that is the Catholic Conservative Stepford can only find criticism of people responding to the complaint about those T-shirts.

    He really needs to focus his energies on the climate models.

  199. Token

    I am saying you might disagree with Aldi’s decision, but wanting to punish them for it is very silly

    Aldi has communicated to the victim industry they will bend to Twitter Storms.

    They have punished themselves and will be “rewarded” over the coming years for their yielding to the bullying of paper tigers.

  200. Token, this is a storm in a teacup that will be forgotten by 99.9 percent of Aldi customers within a week.

    The rest of their former customers are too busy writing letters in support of [edited] worrying Senators to go shopping anyway.

  201. Pickles

    Dot, Blainey wrote a bit about it in Triumph of the Nomads. Can’t lay my hands on it at the moment but as I remember it was well footnoted as Blainey’s work always is. Ted Strehlow is also a good source as far as Central Australia goes. A rat around the footnotes in the main Native Title cases will keep you busy for a while as well.

  202. JC

    Stepford

    What is the purpose of replying to Toke when you should be concentrating on getting your head around the climate models and how disastrous they are to the theory.

  203. Token

    Token, this is a storm in a teacup that will be forgotten by 99.9 percent of Aldi customers within a week.

    Most people are on their summer holidays and could not care less about the faux outrage and the response.

    When they get back you can bet more Aldi shoppers will line up behind the Cat’s view than the pathetic attempts to created divisions by Marxists who live eternally on the public teet.

  204. Oh come on

    Jared Diamond’s theory on the trajectory of Aboriginal Settlement of Australia is in Guns, Germs and Steel. I think it was in that book that he discussed Tasmanian Aboriginals. IIRC, technologically they actually went backwards. Archaeological digs have discovered tools from a few thousand years ago that weren’t being used when Europeans arrived.

  205. Steve of Glasshouse

    JC..Sof B is steeling himself to offer his still bleeding beating heart on the altar of AGW.
    btw, you’re holding the knife the wrong way round Steve

  206. struth

    Pickles, also interesting are the books by the first ranger of Ayers Rock, Bill Harney, although his books have been banned (yes that’s right) around Ayers Rock and I would not know now where to lay my hands on them, they are inciteful.

  207. Pickles

    E bay has a couple of dozen Harney books, Struth.

  208. JAMES BEADMAN

    average life expectancy primitive man 17 yrs average life expectancy aborigines 2013 60 years tripling aboriginal average lifespan since 1788 death in childbirth primitive women at least 1.5 per 10 births the rate now 7 per 1000 primitive woman 150 per 1000 evil bunch of white barstards aren’t we

  209. JJ

    It’s people like you who make me indifferent to being Australian. I wish I could be proud, but then I encounter the racists.

    I know that this will not change any of your opinions, I just wanted tell you that you disappoint me. And hopefully your parents.

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