Faking the climate of opinion

It apparently doesn’t come naturally. You have to teach media personalities how to fake the climate news. Here’s the headline:

BBC’s six-year cover-up of secret ‘green propaganda’ training for top executives

And these are the sub-heads:

  • Pensioner forces BBC to lift veil on 2006 eco-seminar to top executives
  • Papers reveal influence of top green campaigners including Greenpeace
  • Then-head of news Helen Boaden said it impacted a ‘broad range of output’
  • Yet BBC has spent more than £20,000 in legal fees trying to keep it secret

The bit about keeping it secret is the core point of the story but who’s surprised by that? This is from the story itself:

The BBC has spent tens of thousands of pounds over six years trying to keep secret an extraordinary ‘eco’ conference which has shaped its coverage of global warming, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The controversial seminar was run by a body set up by the BBC’s own environment analyst Roger Harrabin and funded via a £67,000 grant from the then Labour government, which hoped to see its ‘line’ on climate change and other Third World issues promoted in BBC reporting.

At the event, in 2006, green activists and scientists – one of whom believes climate change is a bigger danger than global nuclear war – lectured 28 of the Corporation’s most senior executives.

Then director of television Jana Bennett opened the seminar by telling the executives to ask themselves: ‘How do you plan and run a city that is going to be submerged?’ And she asked them to consider if climate change laboratories might offer material for a thriller.

A lobby group with close links to green campaigners, the International Broadcasting Trust (IBT), helped to arrange government funding for both the climate seminar and other BBC seminars run by Mr Harrabin – one of which was attended by then Labour Cabinet Minister Hilary Benn.

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160 Responses to Faking the climate of opinion

  1. Jazza

    Gosh, looks like they cannot even hide behind the MMGW scam as a religion and they the loyal disciples of Gaia, now!

  2. craig

    I wonder and maybe others will know, just how much of our (the public) money is tied up to this ongoing AGW nonsense (i’ll take on board some support for it). I’m wondering and just throwing it out there, if this AGW religion was to fold, would it bankrupt nations thus becoming the real GFC we were all warned about but yet to see?

  3. stackja

    Secret climate business. BBC are reputed to be the inspiration for 1984 Ministry of Truth.

  4. Tardell G

    “offer.. a thriller”? is that like a Cleveland steamer?

  5. HK_Brother

    So basically, “Climate Change” is really nothing more than a Left-leaning, eco-nut political movement and agenda. Mainly coordinated by the media (who tell you what they think you should know) and anyone who stands to gain from it financially. (Like Gore, Suzuki, Flannery, etc).

    …All on the taxpayer’s dime of course!

    Well, we can’t conduct drone strikes on them. (A Hellfire missile is pretty expensive). So I guess the only way is to destroy their public reputations by revealing and exposing who these crony bastards really are. Thank god for the Internet! The biggest enemy to scammers!

  6. JC

    It’s good to get the evidence to hang them with, but does it surprise anyone that the BBC was was using sources from the likes of Greens-peace?

  7. How dare the BBC keep key staff up to speed on the latest science so they can avoid sounding like the ignoramuses on Fox News!

  8. gabrianga

    Perhaps time for an investigation along similar lines involving some of our major mining houses and their proximity to Green and Aboriginal Rights activists groups which the Government of the day was trying to reign in?

  9. gabrianga

    Apologies……REIN.

  10. Myrrdin Seren

    Bishop Hill has been following this one for quite some time now

    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/1/12/28gate-hits-the-msm.html

    What we have, in essence, appears to be government paying for subversion of the state broadcaster.

    Well- yes.

    Ben Pile at Climate Resistance pointed out years ago now that, for example, huge amounts of money are paid by the EU to enviro-NGOs – to lobby the EU to introduce ever stricter environmental regulations.

    That is, seeking to create the appearance of popular pressure, when in fact public support for hair-shirt green self-flagellation is tepid to non-existent.

  11. JC

    How dare the BBC keep key staff up to speed on the latest science so they can avoid sounding like the ignoramuses on Fox News!

    Why would any respectable organization, let alone a government one funded literally at the point of gun (threat to those who refuse to pay the annual BBC fee) want to source anything from Greens-peace and like minded leftwing terrorist organizations?

    What information would you be able to obtain that’s anyway half worthwhile?

  12. Bruce

    This one’s been going on for even longer than Michael Smith’s been pursuing his heroic quest.

    Bishop Hill assisted with some of the FOIA. As I recall they went through the whole shebang until the BBC appeals committee or whatever it is refused to grant the FOIA under a technicality. Then someone (Maurizio I think it was) found a list tucked away in a distant rivulet of the internet they’d forgotten to scrub.

    Climate sceptic bloggers 3 BBC nil.

    Great to see Mr Rose applying the anal probe to the Beeb. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of appalling lefties (other than the ghastly ABC).

  13. Ant

    “…and other Third World issues promoted in BBC reporting…”

    Have you ever listened to BBC radio on NPR? It’s quite a little performance they manage to put together.

    The Beeb flies out some dweeb of a reporter and their team with an appropriate weepy voice to some craphole of a country whose leadership has been milking the billions flushed down the international aid plughole for decades.

    They then transmit back in their finest “Oh, The Humanity!” voice the sobbiest of sob stories about some poor sod and his/her family who lives on 2 dollars a week with nothing to eat while complaining about how the west refuses to help.

    I’m not sure if their objective is:

    a.) To appeal for more international aid, or
    b.) to demonise rich bastard westerners, or
    c.) self-flagellation, or
    d.) all of the above.

  14. How dare the BBC keep key staff up to speed on the latest science propaganda so they can avoid sounding like the ignoramuses. on Fox News!

    There, fixed.

  15. JC

    Here’s the List of non BBC attendees.

    Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
    Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
    Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
    Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
    Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
    Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
    Trevor Evans, US Embassy
    Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change
    Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
    Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
    Claire Foster, Church of England
    Saleemul Huq, IIED
    Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
    Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
    Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
    Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
    Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
    Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
    Matthew Farrow, CBI
    Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
    Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
    Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
    Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
    Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
    Joe Smith, The Open University
    Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
    Anita Neville, E3G
    Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
    Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
    Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

  16. Fisky

    So taxpayers were funding a Green madrassa at the BBC, have I got that right?

  17. JC

    So taxpayers were funding a Green madrassa at the BBC, have I got that right?

    Pretty much.

  18. squawkbox

    Desipis, do tell us when London will be submerged. Last time I visited it was remarkably buoyant.

  19. .

    This is disgusting behaviour. Cameron ought to shut it down as a matter of principle. It is a mouthpiece of the British Labor Party and acting improperly as a state owned entity.

  20. iamok

    It is clearer everyday in every way that there is no news anymore – it is opinion. If you really want to know what is happening you have to look hard behind the headlines. Most don’t bother, and that’s where the battle is lost.

  21. Fisky

    Can anyone explain why the BBC would spend tens of thousands of pounds trying to suppress the list of attendees? That doesn’t make any sense if they were doing nothing wrong, as the Left insist.

  22. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ant at 5.12 I know exactly who you mean, it’s that Orla Guerin, the biggest sad-sack ever to wander around some of the world’s premier fly-blown rat holes. Whenever she winds up one of her victim tours, and that irksome voice, o’erflowing with faux pathos, begins to subside, the chorus at this place is, ” Load ‘em up and bring them here.”

  23. Ant

    Thanks, GM. I never paid attention to her name but she’s an expert grievance-spruiker.

    Typically, her report goes something like this, with her best earnest, slow speaking English drawl:

    “Nadifa is only 8, she hasn’t seen her mother or her father since the US backed militia stormed her ramshackle shanty and took them away in the middle the night, slaughtering the family’s only cow, poisoning their well and burning the basket she hand weaved using the reeds taken from the local watering hole. She cries out for somebody to help but there’s nobody listening…”

  24. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ant. She has got that Irish tinge to the whinge, which you forgot.

  25. brc

    Well, seeing as news of the world phone hacking was justification enough for a media enquiry directed at newscorp, then this is evidence enough to investigate systemic pro-CAGW bias at the ABC? Surely the ABC has some hard questions to ask?

  26. A Lurker

    From The Australian newspaper (dated March 10, 2012):

    ONLY hours after the Finkelstein media inquiry report was released last week, lecturers from four of Australia’s top journalism schools delivered their instant judgment on the academic website The Conversation.

    Each of the four — Brian McNair from the Queensland University of Technology, Johan Lidberg from Monash University, Alexandra Wake from RMIT University and Andrea Carson from the University of Melbourne — enthusiastically embraced Ray Finkelstein’s central recommendation for a new government-funded regulatory body to sit in judgment of news reporting.

    They variously described the proposed News Media Council, a body that would have the legally enforceable power to adjudicate on journalistic fairness and make the media answerable to the courts, as a “brave”, “effective” and “good” new idea that “really needs to be done”.

    My understanding of Finkelstein was that it originated from claims of illegal phone-tapping of individuals in the UK by the UK media, and to ensure our media was properly regulated (i.e. censored).

    Given this news from the UK, I wonder if our Government has the balls to initiate a Finkelstein’ish enquiry into the ABC/SBS to see if they were likewise given a directive (cash or a whispered word) to promote certain Green/Left agendas in their programming, news and opinion, in order to brainwash the Australian public.

    Malcolm Turncoat, the ball is now in your court….

  27. Andrew

    How dare the BBC keep key staff up to speed on the latest science so they can avoid sounding like the ignoramuses on Fox News!

    If they were going to reputable science sources rather than grubby communists with liberal arts degrees for their info, perhaps they wouldn’t be ashamed enough of their conduct to spend $30k to hide what they were doing.

  28. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “BBC’s six-year cover-up of secret ‘green propaganda’ training for top executives

    The controversial seminar was run by a body set up by the BBC’s own environment analyst Roger Harrabin and funded via a £67,000 grant from the then Labour government, which hoped to see its ‘line’ on climate change and other Third World issues promoted in BBC reporting.”

    That Tony Blair made a point of covering stuff up – cash for peerages, a couple of hundred thousand reffos per year going straight onto the dole because they were peasants with no chance of employment, New Labour’s deliberate demographic genocide against its own people – what a fabulous prime minister he turned out to be.

  29. blogstrop

    A lobby group with close links to green campaigners, the International Broadcasting Trust (IBT), helped to arrange government funding for both the climate seminar and other BBC seminars run by Mr Harrabin …

    Oh yeah. Nothing sinister there.

  30. Alf

    BRC, Lurker etc., this story is about the BBC. Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

  31. JC

    Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    What would be interesting evidence, as you call it, is of their ABC glommed this leftwing propaganda and distributed it around.
    STFU Alfie, you dolt.

  32. Fisky

    It’s no wonder that one of Tony Blair’s earliest decisions was to abolish the death penalty for treason. He must have anticipated committing rather a lot of treason himself, as indeed he did!

  33. A Lurker

    BRC, Lurker etc., this story is about the BBC. Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    ALP/Greens needed no evidence that phone tapping was happening in Oz yet they still initiated an enquiry into our media.

    Surely what is ‘good for the goose, is likewise good for the gander’.

    So let’s have an enquiry, see what turns up, after all, don’t you want complete transparency of the actions of our taxpayer funded Government broadcaster(s) – or are you arguing that the ABC/SBS is above public scrutiny?

  34. BRC, Lurker etc., this story is about the BBC. Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    There was zero evidence Murdoch tapped any phones here, but the Trade Union Party and New Communists wanted to restrict freedom of speech to criticise their whacko policies.

    Cutting taxpayers funding of their ALPBC is looking more likely by the day.

  35. ChrisPer

    HK_brother:

    Well, we can’t conduct drone strikes on them. (A Hellfire missile is pretty expensive). So I guess the only way is to destroy their public reputations by revealing and exposing who these crony bastards really are. Thank god for the Internet! The biggest enemy to scammers!

    How about professional liability suits? If the Government acts on advice which turns out to be based on Green slime not evidence, and the advice was purportedly professional, delivered in public and paid for, then the billions of wasted subsidies for pretend green subsidy scams, carbon offsetting and carbon taxation are potentially the subject of punitive damages under professional liability.

    Even an individual householder should have standing – several hundred dollars per head per year in unwarranted costs are real losses. Would Flummery be protected by the Crown Suits Act? Would a suit daisy chained through a Government agency leave the Government and agencies untouchable, but let us reach out and touch their ‘independent’ advisers?

  36. .

    JC #1149132, posted on January 13, 2014 at 6:14 pm
    Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    Greg Combet’s press conference on ABC with no one except ABC journos.

    Slam dunk for the “climate deniers”.

  37. Ivan Denisovich

    At the event, in 2006, green activists and scientists – one of whom believes climate change is a bigger danger than global nuclear war – lectured 28 of the Corporation’s most senior executives.

    Delingpole, 2011:

    Which brings us to thing I’ve been dying to write about for two weeks: Christopher Booker’s magisterial report for the Global Warming Policy Foundation on the BBC’s role in promulgating the Great Man Made Global Warming Myth. It’s brilliant.

    So brilliant that I’m going to have to run its damning conclusion at considerable length. Here he is, summing up what he calls the BBC’s “three betrayals”:

    The first was the BBC’s betrayal of its statutory obligation to report on the world with ‘impartially’. In its own mind it got round this by creating its own definition of the meaning of the word. The IPCC, the scientific and political establishments, Al Gore, the developers of wind turbines and heaven knows who else were all so unanimously convinced that man-made global warming was an unchallengeable fact that the BBC decreed that these were the only people who should be listened to. Anyone who dissented from this orthodoxy could be ignored as belonging to just a tiny minority of cranks, or venally corrupted hirelings of Big Oil, whose views it would be improper for the BBC to publicise.

    The problem was that, outside the ‘bubble’, all sorts of things were beginning to contradict this cosy scenario. Ever more serious scientists were beginning to question the orthodox theory of what was influencing the world’s climate. It emerged ever more clearly that the projections made by over-simplistic computer models no longer matched up with the observed evidence of what was actually happening to the climate. Ever more evidence came to light to suggest that the IPCC was not the unimpeachably objective and honest scientific body it was claimed to be.

    It was all this which helped to illuminate the extent of the second ‘betrayal’ in the BBC’s coverage of the story, the way it betrayed the principles of professional journalism. So committed to the cause were its journalists that, when important questions began to be raised as to whether the story was really as unarguable as it was claimed to be, their only real response was simply to dig in their toes to defend it. They could no longer step outside the ‘bubble’, as independent-minded journalists should have been able to do, to consider all these questions in their own right. They could only stay within the mindset they knew, talking only to those within the orthodoxy who could provide them with the answers they needed to fend off all these tiresome ‘deniers’ appearing from outside the ‘bubble’ to ask awkward questions – such as how genuinely scientific were the methods used to create the ‘hockey stick’ graph?

    One of the impressions it is hard to avoid in reviewing the BBC’s coverage of this story is that its journalists, and those shadowy figures behind them in the BBC hierarchy, are not particularly well-informed about many of the issues they report on. This point was made as long ago as 2006 by the journalist Richard D. North, when he described his experience in attending that day-long seminar organised by Roger Harrabin, As North observed:

    I was frankly appalled by the level of ignorance of the issue which the BBC people showed …I heard nothing which made me think any of them read any broadsheet newspaper coverage of the topic (except maybe the Guardian and that lazily) … it seemed to me that none of them had shown even a modicum of professional curiosity on the subject … I spent the day discussing the subject and I don’t recall anyone showing any sign of having read anything serious at all.

    This may help to explain the third of the three ‘betrayals’ to which I referred at the start, the consistency with which the BBC’s coverage of this story has shown so little understanding of the basic principles of science. We have seen how again and again they have put out programmes designed to promote their cause which have contained quite rudimentary scientific errors. They have loved to wheel on front men such as Sir David Attenborough, Dr Iain Stewart or Sir Paul Nurse, claiming to speak with all the authority of being ‘a scientist’ – but who have then been shown, on matters outside their own disciplines, to be out of their depth. These people have been used to lend the prestige of ‘science’ for the purposes of what amounted to no more than clumsy exercises in propaganda.

    Perhaps the most revealing example of all of this misuse of the prestige of science was that truly bizarre report produced in 2011 for the BBC Trust by Professor Jones, arguing that, far from being too biassed, the BBC’s coverage of the story should in future become even more biassed still.

    The sheer Alice in Wonderland dottiness of this report might serve as a suitable epitaph on what has been one of the saddest chapters in the BBC’s history. Here is a hugely important and far-reaching issue on which for years it has been comprehensively misleading the audience from which it derives its funding. Yet the tragedy is that it seems so incapable of recognising just how badly it has failed us that there is little realistic prospect of it ever being likely to change its ways.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100122686/the-bbc-less-trustworthy-more-dangerous-than-a-cannibal-polar-bear/

  38. Mr Rusty

    But…but…but only big bad oil and big bad coal and big bad Cock brothers use money to influence public opinion and anyone who denies this is, well, umm a denier and wants another Holocaust and in the pay of the Rockyfellaz and AbbottAbbottAbbott666 punched a hole in the Ozone layer when he was 12 and wants to stop abortion cos Johnson & Johnson need more babies to sell Baby Oil to and he supports his big business mates and Baby Oil is actually causing Global Warming Changing Vortexes and Vertices and only the BBC and ABC tell da truth cos they are so well balanced and Murdoch wants to destroy the world by starting a war with China from his secret stealth boat, it’s true I saw it in this doco called ‘The Day After Tomorrow Never Dies’ on SBS and they made this other program about poor downtrodden refugees called ‘Go back to the Bottom of the Ocean’ cos that is where Abbott and Morrison is hiding them and if we don’t do something about da carbon that’s coming out of all dem chimneys then loads more people will drown in the H20 Holocaust, you know like that one that Howard did to kill the Indos in 2004 cos he wouldn’t give them sanitary products after they threw their Tampas overboard…so that’s why this news is all rubbish and propaganda by Murdoch and his cronies cos he hates NBN and wants to shut down the BBC and ABC and anything else with three letters in it, except SKY, so there, we win and you’re all redneck, racist, tea party, deniers, nerny nerny ner ner! Oh look a unicorn jumping over a rainbow!

  39. Alf

    You all seem upset that the ALP Govt. initiated an enquiry here based on what had happened in Briatin, but you are advocating for exactly that – an enquiry into Australian broadcasters based on a story from the UK. Doesn’t that strike you as hypocrisy?

  40. Mindfree

    Can’t top that one Rusty…maybe you should post it on one of the lefty blog sites and see how many dolts take that seriously…be fun to watch

  41. Alf

    Mr Rusty, you’re incoherent. Calm down.

  42. Token

    BRC, Lurker etc., this story is about the BBC. Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    I want evidence the Liars Party didn’t use the ATO like Bronco Bama used the IRS.

    According to Liars Party standards, accusations in another country is more than sufficient reason for the enquiry.

  43. feelthebern

    I dub thee, Sir Rusty.
    Actually I heard something like this at a Film Actors Guild press conference.

  44. A Lurker

    Doesn’t that strike you as hypocrisy?

    Maybe – but surely when taxpayer dollars are involved, an enquiry to ascertain full transparency and accountability would be a good thing?

    Btw, the Left complaining about hypocrisy = priceless.

    p.s. You never answered my question which I will now remind you of …

    So let’s have an enquiry, see what turns up, after all, don’t you want complete transparency of the actions of our taxpayer funded Government broadcaster(s) – or are you arguing that the ABC/SBS is above public scrutiny?

  45. Rudiau

    BRC, Lurker etc., this story is about the BBC. Where’s your evidence that this has happened at the ABC?

    As I posted on the OT there is at least one BBC ex-employee at the ABC news group, that and the fact they follow the exact same narrative as the BBC is evidence enough for me.

  46. Baldrick

    Perhaps like the in-house appointment of Andrea Wills from the BBC to investigate ABC political bias, the ABC could appoint Tony Jones to investigate BBC climate bias … just saying!

  47. Alf

    Not at all Lurker, they get public scrutiny and they are not, and shot be above, scrutiny.

  48. Carpe Jugulum

    Alf seems to have his pantaloons in a twist.

  49. Alf

    Yeah, it should have said ‘should not be above scrutiny’. Wish I could type better.

  50. blogstrop

    You all seem upset that the ALP Govt. initiated an enquiry here based on what had happened in Briatin, but you are advocating for exactly that – an enquiry into Australian broadcasters based on a story from the UK. Doesn’t that strike you as hypocrisy?

    No, the resemblance of the ABC’s modus operandi to that of the BBC is beyond argument. The case for pretending Australian newspapers are doing what the now defunct News Of The World did is so very thin you can see through it.

  51. blogstrop

    Alf, you’re just another troll and deserve no respect.

  52. Carpe Jugulum

    Wish I could type better

    Well, a bit less of Doctor VBs depression remedy would help.

  53. Leo G

    The BBC charter requires the BBC Trust always to act in the public interest in its General Duties and explicitly states that it MUST ensure that the BBC observes high standards of openness and transparency.
    So how should the Trust respond to evidence that BBC executives have colluded in deliberately subverting the BBC Charter, and have compounded the offence with a concerted effort to maintain secrecy?

  54. A Lurker

    Not at all Lurker, they get public scrutiny and they are not, and shot be above, scrutiny.

    So you’d be in favour of an enquiry then? And one that wasn’t conducted within the ABC, by the ABC?

  55. Bruce

    Alf – The ABC should undergo a Royal Commission after their seditious attempt to overturn government immigration policy a few weeks ago.
    I am sure such an inquiry would address their bias and flagrant breaching of their Charter. Their biased reporting of CAGW would form a very nice juicy matter for the Counsel-Assisting to explore.

    Or Mr Pyne could save us a lot of money and shut the ABC down. Sowing the Ultimo site with salt would be a bonus.

  56. Empire Strikes Back

    You all seem upset that the ALP Govt. initiated an enquiry here based on what had happened in Briatin, but you are advocating for exactly that – an enquiry into Australian broadcasters based on a story from the UK. Doesn’t that strike you as hypocrisy?

    No. That strikes me as entirely appropriate application of the Fisk Doctrine. The left created the precedent, they should now be made to stew in a puddle of their own fetid excrement.

  57. Alf

    An inquiry into what, Lurker? No allegations have been made. What attempt is that Bruce? The ABC has been investigated for bias more than once, and has yet to be found to be so – and the inquiries weren’t done in-house.

  58. JohnA

    JC #1149065, posted on January 13, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Here’s the List of non BBC attendees.


    Claire Foster, Church of England

    Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund

    Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

    The Beer Whisperer #1149064, posted on January 13, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    How dare the BBC keep key staff up to speed on the latest science propaganda so they can avoid sounding like the ignoramuses. on Fox News!

    There, fixed.

    Indeed – how much science would one learn from the Church of England (we are forever being told that the Christian church is irrelevant) or an Advocacy Director for Tearfund – a supposed welfare/charity? Hmm?

  59. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Alf – The ABC should undergo a Royal Commission after their seditious attempt to overturn government immigration policy a few weeks ago.

    ??

    Woah. What did I miss?

  60. Empire Strikes Back

    So how should the Trust respond to evidence that BBC executives have colluded in deliberately subverting the BBC Charter, and have compounded the offence with a concerted effort to maintain secrecy?

    With the full force of the law.

    Does anyone know if there is anything in the UK statutes that would prevent the guilty from being placed in stocks in Trafalgar Square and pelted with rotten fruit?

  61. Tel

    Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant

    Also lead IPCC author from the Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia… but that probably has nothing to do with his insurance related work with the BBC.

  62. Kenny

    At the time this name really stood out – Trevor Evans, US Embassy – still does!

  63. Carpe Jugulum

    and the inquiries weren’t done in-house.

    Yep, nothing says an impartial review than one done by left wing student activist and alp flunky andrew leigh.

    The pathetic is strong in this one.

  64. Alf

    I’m thinking of the inquiry (or more than one?) done during the Howard era, Carpe.

  65. Bruce

    Woah. What did I miss?

    Ok more like 8 weeks ago.

    This bit of sedition, which caused an immediate and serious diplomatic incident with Indonesia and threatened to derail Operation Sovereign Borders. Quick work by Bishop and Abbott smoothed things somewhat, but it forced Yudhoyono into a political corner and gave Natalegawa an opportunity to be populist. Still hasn’t been completely fixed, with the ABC stirring to pot every now and again – the latest being ‘revelations’ about the military communications.

    Given that the Snowden intelligence was available to the Guardian and the ABC earlier in the year the release not long after the September election after the operation was proving to be a success indicates suggests sedition against the policies of the Federal Government.

    Easily worth a Royal Commission, with added evidence of ABC’s serial breach of their charter.

  66. Bruce

    Oops, forgot to delete “indicates” which was originally in “indicates possible sedition”.

  67. Alf

    I think that’s called reporting news Bruce, not sedition.

  68. Bons

    Orla Guerin
    Orla Fu..ing Guerin, have you met her? Unfortunately I have under circumstances when you did not need a skinny arsed Irish hag interposing herself into a very tense situation. She is straight up and down IRA, but with the Western World rather than NI as her target. Zero IQ. student political mentality.

  69. Carpe Jugulum

    I’m thinking of the inquiry (or more than one?) done during the Howard era, Carpe.

    Which one not undertaken by shills for the alpbc.

  70. JC

    Perhaps not seditious legalistically, but certainly the intent was there to cause maximum damage to the Libs as a result of Liar Party failings.

    It’s the reason why the Fisk Doctrine has so much support Alfie, you leftwing douchebag. Fuckers like you would be shut down and dog collared.

  71. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Oh, yes, got that Bruce. Thanks for clearing it up. I thought they’d followed up with something else just as bad.

    Unbelievable. They even seemed to relish the discomfort they’d created for everyone.

  72. .

    Come off it Alf they are creating the news now by directly undermining Government policy from protected sources.

    Sedition maybe not, but definitely not functioning as required per their charter.

  73. Alfonso

    “New Labour’s deliberate demographic genocide against its own people…..”
    Rings an Australian bell.
    50,000 more culturally primitive 3rd world muslims who hate our cultural values each year, how could we object?
    Lib agrees with Lab on this legal cultural invasion.
    Pity we can’t decide our own demographic fate via binding referendum.
    That would be democracy and unacceptable to the elites.

  74. JC

    Sedition maybe not, but definitely not functioning as required per their charter.

    Fire the arseholes and retract their pension privileges. All of them without an ounce of pity. Any government agency which thinks it’s okay to be working in cahoots with Da Garadian that employs ratbags like Le snore and other assorted bottom feeders deserves to be closed down. The fucking temerity of them doing so is what’s so appalling. The fact they reckon they can get away with it. Close the fuckers down. Now! Close it down and dog collar them for life.

  75. Bruce

    Alf – It was a Guardian story. If the ABC was a responsible corporation they would allow the Guardian to break it, then passively report it. The chose not to do this.

    Nevertheless, as I said there is abundant evidence to allow commissioning of a Royal Commission into breach of their statutory duty, not least the complete absence of any attempt to introduce balance to their output.

    Roughly half of the voting public supported conservatives, yet the ABC has none (none that dare show their face anyway). Quite possibly conservative voters pay more than half of the ABC budget proportionately. Why should my tax money go to these überleftist activists?

  76. JC

    Sedition maybe not, but definitely not functioning as required per their charter.

    Fire the arseholes and retract their pension privileges. All of them without an ounce of pity. Any government agency which thinks it’s okay to be working in cahoots with Da Garadian that employs ratbags like Le snore and other assorted bottom feeders deserves to be closed down. The fucking temerity of them doing so is what’s so appalling….the fact they reckon they can get away with it. Close the fuckers down. Now! Close it down and dog collar them for life.

  77. Alfonso

    “New Labour’s deliberate demographic genocide against its own people…..”
    Rings an Australian bell.
    50,000 more culturally primitive 3rd world muslims who hate our cultural values each year, how could we object? That’d be racist.
    Lib agrees with Lab on this legal cultural invasion.
    Pity we can’t decide our own demographic fate via binding referendum.
    That would be democracy and unacceptable to the elites.

  78. Alf

    The one’s carried out at the behest of Nick Minchin Carpe.

    Perhaps not seditious legalistically, but certainly the intent was there to cause maximum damage to the Libs as a result of Liar Party failings.

    How so? They were reporting spying undertaken by the previous government. If the current one lacked the diplomatic skill to navigate the relationship with Indonesia it is no one’s fault but theirs.

  79. JC

    Why should my tax money go to these überleftist activists?

    It shouldn’t be. If leftist want their own broadcasting let the fuckers pay for it. We know how that goes. The New York Times selling the family heirlooms, Fairfax broke. MSNBC losing 50 % of its audience. Huge success.

  80. Alf

    The ABC doesn’t belong to the left JC, it belongs to everyone. I think you’ll find that genuinely left media are not govt. funded – they’re also pretty crap, by the way.

  81. Bruce

    How so? They were reporting spying undertaken by the previous government.

    Alf – When did the ABC ask Kevin Rudd for comment? Perhaps I am hard of hearing, as I recall they never did and never have.

    The original report which I linked above does not mention Rudd and it does not mention the ALP. It mentions Tony Abbott twice and once more in the factbox. Classic tactics.

    If the current one lacked the diplomatic skill to navigate the relationship with Indonesia it is no one’s fault but theirs.

    What? Two months from an election? Are you bonkers? Diplomacy manages a ‘hullo I’m Julie’ in that time. It is a tribute to Bishop she hosed down the fire in amazing time. The fury in Indo was pretty hot. Like this headline:

    Indonesia halts Australia drills as protesters call for ‘war’

    Go read that article and remember what happened in 2002 and 2004. As I said this stuff quite justifies a RC.

    Defund the ABC before they can do more damage.

  82. Carpe Jugulum

    The one’s carried out at the behest of Nick Minchin

    What a bizarre place planet alf must be.

  83. Alf

    Everyone knows who was in Government in 2009, the point is that the current government mishandled the diplomacy – not because the ABC didn’t speak to Rudd, but because they had no sense of how to deal with the story. They claimed to be ready to govern, superior in every respect – so the excuse that they were new to office doesn’t fly.

    Why bring the Bali and Jakarta bombings into it? The protesters you refer to are rag tag private citizens – what they call for, or don’t call for, doesn’t matter at all.

  84. Carpe Jugulum

    The protesters you refer to are rag tag private citizens – what they call for, or don’t call for, doesn’t matter at all.

    Like those ragtag militias in East Timor eh.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    It seriously stings the rusted on lefties that, despite the best efforts of the ABC and SBS, Abbott looks to have substantially stemmed the flow of free-loading middle class Iranians.
    And they were nearly apoplectic at the thought that there had been a couple of tow-backs with an apparent tacit “wink and nod” from the Indon military.
    And …. cue outrage from middle ranking UN official in Geneva who s minding the shop while his boss is skiing in Aspen.

  86. Bruce

    Everyone knows who was in Government in 2009

    So why didn’t the ABC mention this eh? So easy to do, being balanced.

    Why bring the Bali and Jakarta bombings into it?

    And if those excitable kiddies had wandered down to our embassy, burned it down and strung up the ambassador? No this didn’t happen. It does happen. The ABC could have forseen such as a distinct possibility, since such things do occur including to us in 2004. Yet they chose to accept that risk. What a nice callous bunch they are.

    They should be defunded and made to drive taxis, thereby getting an education about real Australia.

    OK, if you think the ABC is owned by the people, we on the right want to sell our half and not have to pay for it anymore. We get nothing but crap from them. Privatise 50% of it.

  87. Leo G

    The ABC doesn’t belong to the left JC, it belongs to everyone. I think you’ll find that genuinely left media are not govt. funded – they’re also pretty crap, by the way.

    The ABC repeatedly tell us how left they regard themselves- in relation to the groups and individuals they describe as conservative or anti-progressive.
    Nor do ABC journalists/editors/bureaucrats consider that the ABC ‘belongs’ to anyone but its fellow travellers. I have direct experience of the ABC refusing to cover an important story involving what even the NSWEPA regarded as the most serious toxic chemical exposure accident in the state’s history- involving a major media organisation with which the ABC had an association.

  88. Johno

    The ABC doesn’t belong to the left JC, it belongs to everyone.

    If their ABC doesn’t belong to the Left, why are there sooooo many left wingers employed as reporters, editors and producers, but not a single conservative or classic liberal in any prominent positions. Their ABCis of the Left, for Left and by the Left. The government must privatise it and make the Left pay for their own propaganda.

  89. Alf

    Do you really think the Indon police would have allowed that to happen Bruce? And, the ABC has mentioned that this happened when the previous govt. was in power. The ABC probably didn’t foresee it because they regarded it as a remote possibility. It is a news outlet, reporting the news is what they do. Did the media boosters for the war in Iraq foresee the disaster that would become? Who is really more callous?

    How does driving a cab give you an education about real Australia? That seems a stretch. And I don’t think the ABC is owned by the people, I know it is – it’s a government funded entity, that is the definition of being owned by the people.

  90. Fisky

    Do you really think the Indon police would have allowed that to happen Bruce? And, the ABC has mentioned that this happened when the previous govt. was in power. The ABC probably didn’t foresee it because they regarded it as a remote possibility. It is a news outlet, reporting the news is what they do. Did the media boosters for the war in Iraq foresee the disaster that would become? Who is really more callous?

    You mean, sitting on the news for months until there was a change of government, and then releasing it? Yeah, that’s real cutting-edge journalism (NOT).

  91. Fisky

    Let’s keep this in perspective though. The ABC had that spying info for months, and released it just as Abbott’s boats policy was gaining traction. Yes, it knocked us off balance for a few weeks, but if that’s the worst they got, we have nothing to worry about. Back down to 0-1 boats a week and the Left are back to their 2002-era wailing like a broken record.

    Life is good.

  92. Fisky

    Hear that Leftists? You took your best shot, and missed. Now we’re back down to 0-1 boats a week, the Carbonic Tax has less than 6 months to go, and that’s a good chunk of your agenda, finished, caput, permanently. Suck it up!

  93. Leigh Lowe

    Here’s the List of non BBC attendees
    …..
    Saleemul Huq, IIED
    ………

    IIED?
    Initiates Improvised Explosive Devices?

  94. Alf

    You mean, sitting on the news for months until there was a change of government, and then releasing it? Yeah, that’s real cutting-edge journalism (NOT).

    The ABC had thousands of pages of documents, not just those relating to spying. That’s how long it took to get and verify the story – nothing to do with conspiracy theories. If you have evidence that the ABC sought to bring down a government, put it on the table – it’s a very serious charge that no one has seriously put forward because it is not the case.

    The boats were slowing before Abbott came in – you wouldn’t know what is really happening because the flow of information has been shut down. Not a good precedent for people who claim to want openness.

  95. Mindfree

    Not to mention the AWU scandal and Mr Thompson’s outcome finally breaking out – will be interesting how their ABC deals with that or runs dead as per their form to date

  96. Ripper

    It is even “worse than we thought”! It was admitted in the HOC committee that they put “themes” into programs to brain wash people

    Ralph Lee: Yes, because there is a negative effect if you hit the public with the same information over and over again. We get climate themes into programmes that the public might come to thinking they are watching a programme about floods, weather or animal anatomy. There are lots of environmental and climate-related things we are able to put into other programmes, but if a programme has “climate change” written over the door that is not necessarily a great audience draw.

    That the Comedy head was there also was no joke, IMHO.
    Whole transcript.

  97. JC

    The ABC doesn’t belong to the left JC, it belongs to everyone.

    Of course it belongs to the left, Alfie, you dishonest deadshit.

    I think you’ll find that genuinely left media are not govt. funded

    They’re going broke. all of them. There’s a good reason.

  98. JC

    The boats were slowing before Abbott came in – you wouldn’t know what is really happening because the flow of information has been shut down.

    Lol… You’re such a scumbag. Such a douchebag

  99. Tel

    …because the flow of information has been shut down.

    Nice try. The ABC had their opportunity to deliver information before the election. Actually, that’s their job, so ask yourself why they weren’t doing it.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    Ralph Lee: Yes, because there is a negative effect if you hit the public with the same information over and over again. We get climate themes into programmes that the public might come to thinking they are watching a programme about floods, weather or animal anatomy. There are lots of environmental and climate-related things we are able to put into other programmes, but if a programme has “climate change” written over the door that is not necessarily a great audience draw.

    How about that?
    Just watched Skull on 730 trying desperately to turn a report into the WA fires into yet another “climate change” beat-up.
    Despite the BoM interviewee saying several times the conditions weren’t extraordinary historically, she kept beating the “Climate Change will Burn Your Hose Down” drum

  101. Bruce

    No one is saying the ABC attempted to bring down the government Alf.

    But there is good evidence they sought to overturn the policy and obstruct the actual military operations of an elected government by engineering a serious and potentially deadly diplomatic incident. That justifies a Royal Commission.

    That no Australian lives were lost, diplomatic or simply someone visiting Jakata, is luck.

    During which the supporting evidence will be the charter breaching and blatant bias of that entity as pointed out in many reports from journalists and bloggers. The presiding officer of the RC can make a judgement on whether the evidence justifies action against them.

    Yes you are correct, the Government funds the entity called the ABC. Therefore they can defund it. They should.

  102. Fisky

    The ABC had thousands of pages of documents, not just those relating to spying. That’s how long it took to get and verify the story – nothing to do with conspiracy theories. If you have evidence that the ABC sought to bring down a government, put it on the table – it’s a very serious charge that no one has seriously put forward because it is not the case.

    Hardly. The most serious charge is that the information was published at all. It had the predictable effect of damaging our relations with Indonesia and imposing costs on the taxpayer. The entire asylum budget should be taken out of the ABC operating budget for that reason alone.

  103. Gab

    he ABC had thousands of pages of documents,

    No the Guardian have those and the Guardian passed on the relevant pages related to spying on Indonesia under Rudd government.

  104. JC

    No one is saying the ABC attempted to bring down the government Alf.

    Of course they did. There’s nothing that scum won’t stoop to. Don’t ever cut them any slack and keep pushing until the every last one is fired.

  105. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Alf at 9:49 pm:

    “The boats were slowing before Abbott came in …”

    If you keep peddling the same lie often enough some of the mugs will believe you.

  106. Empire Strikes Back

    I don’t think the ABC is owned by the people

    I gets a feeling you be standing on the verge of revelation Alfredo.

  107. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Dumb Alf at 9:37 pm:

    “… The ABC … It is a news outlet, reporting the news is what they do.”

    You really sound quite stupid.

  108. Ripper

    Just watched Skull on 730 trying desperately to turn a report into the WA fires into yet another “climate change” beat-up.

    As soon as I saw that I remembered watching the HOC thing. I know at the time I teased my favorite wife about one of her favorite shows being used to influence people.

    Ralph Lee: There is a difference between informing the public and public information. Broadly, it is our job to inform the public and cover important items that are key to our times. Channel 4 is clued into the major issues of our time and we try to cover them, but just to report on the slow progress going on within a subject like this by way of public information would be counter-productive. A programme like “Grand Designs” and a television figure like Kevin McCloud, who ostensibly has absolutely no relationship with climate change, probably does more in informing the public than a bulletin about how climate change science is being progressed, because the messages you find within “Grand Designs” about how building and material design is changing to be more energy-efficient are seamlessly woven into an aspirational editorial about people’s hopes and dreams. If you are a consumer of that programme, over time the energy-saving messages are all there,the time

  109. cohenite

    Malcolm Turncoat, the ball is now in your court….

    Yeah sure, the ball is attached to a metaphorical dick belonging to Aunty and Turnbull likes things as they are.

    I hope I’m wrong but the BBC scandal has been going since 2007 as Jo’s post shows and the ABC is THE effective opposition in this country which the cud-chewing nambies of the coalition can’t seem to figure out. It’s like paying for your own executioner. I mean do the coalition actually think anyone who supports the abc is going to vote for them anyway?

  110. Leo G

    The boats were slowing before Abbott came in – you wouldn’t know what is really happening because the flow of information has been shut down. Not a good precedent for people who claim to want openness.

    So, boats possibly have been arriving with greater frequency since the election but we are unaware of this because the information has never been released.
    That’s some rationalisation Alf- do I detect a hint of cognitive Labor dissonance?

  111. Joe

    Well it seems that the MSM cannot be trusted to perform their function in society by themselves.
    So, I guess we’ll just have to implement the good old standby as advocated by them whenever a problem arises in society.

    I propose that legislation be introduced to make all private information off-limits to the MSM. Furthermore, legislation should be introduced to allow anyone reported on by the media to be able to sue for money if any statement made by the media is found to be false or misleading. Also I suggest removing all and any privilege accorded to reporters in hiding their sources. Burden of proof is to be as the media advocates for everyone else. i.e. The plaintiff will have to prove that the offending statements are true to escape being found guilty. The publishing of private information not sourced by the individual concerned would be an automatic guilty verdict.

    Which means that reporters would have to get signed release forms to publish private information. This should also apply to politicians, both in parliament i.e. what they can say about people, and what reporters say about them.

    Lets get news out the the gutter and back to reporting facts as can be verified by sources. Not salacious bullshit about who is screwing who.

  112. Sea Eagle

    With the -opportunity to clear its name, everyone at the ABC should be delighted if an enquiry is called.

  113. Empire Strikes Back

    That sounds very complex Joe.

    How about we just cut the ABC loose and let the market sort it out?

  114. Alf

    You’re twisting my words, Leo, I never said more boats are coming – there are fewer, my point was that the government refuses to answer questions about what it is doing. http://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-abbott-needs-quick-results-on-boat-arrivals-for-very-practical-reasons-18888

    There’s not a shred of evidence that the ABC tried to bring down the government. And that was said on this thread bruce – sedition is conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch according to the dictionary.

    But there is good evidence they sought to overturn the policy and obstruct the actual military operations of an elected government by engineering a serious and potentially deadly diplomatic incident. That justifies a Royal Commission.
    What evidence Bruce?

    The lefties may be going broke JC, but the Australian has been running at a loss for years too.

  115. Leo G

    You’re twisting my words, Leo, I never said more boats are coming – there are fewer, my point was that the government refuses to answer questions about what it is doing.

    I quoted your words, Alf- you did not say there were fewer boats but that we did not know what was happening (re the frequency of arrivals). On the other hand, you did twist my words.
    Moreover, you appear to misunderstand the situation. The government is quite open and transparent about its policy, but is withholding information about related naval operations, because to do otherwise risks compromising its policy. Information about arrivals is still flowing, it has not stopped, but is released only at regular briefings.

  116. JC

    You’re twisting my words, Leo, I never said more boats are coming – there are fewer, my point was that the government refuses to answer questions about what it is doing

    Shut up alfie. The government through Scott Morrison answers every question put to him at the weekly meets. Don’t like, then go vote for the Liars, you moron. We’re/I’m quite satisfied with the work they’re doing, so fuck off.

    There’s not a shred of evidence that the ABC tried to bring down the government. And that was said on this thread bruce – sedition is conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch according to the dictionary.

    Yea, like they’re going to leave a paper trail. It’s not a court of law, you fucking idiot, so we can make any accusation we want. This one happens to be true. Thei ABC wants to ruin this government to the fullest extent possible.

    The lefties may be going broke JC, but the Australian has been running at a loss for years too.

    New Ltd is doing great, which is the valid comparison, you disgusting fleabag. Fairfax is doing abominably and every one of its major mastheads would be worth less than zero.

    If you’re going to try the leftie spite angle try and make it so transparent, you asshat.

  117. JC

    You’re twisting my words, Leo

    I quoted your words, Alf-

    Lol. This one is pretty stupid.

  118. Ralph Lee: Yes, because there is a negative effect if you hit the public with the same information over and over again. We get climate themes into programmes that the public might come to thinking they are watching a programme about floods, weather or animal anatomy. There are lots of environmental and climate-related things we are able to put into other programmes, but if a programme has “climate change” written over the door that is not necessarily a great audience draw.

    Well duh.

    Hollywood’s been doing this for years now; you can barely go and see a decent sci-fi movie any more without some dimwit piously bleating on at some point about how we destroyed our planet – or are busy destroying someone else’s – with our flyaway plastic bags and irresponsible use of hairspray.

    But it’s not too late. I’m still prepared, even at this late stage, to become a Shill for Big Something. Big Coal looks good right now (see earlier thread).

    A pity Christmas is over; I could travel the world and put lumps of it in the stockings of all the BBC heads of programming, and anyone else who I find has been Naughty, rather than Nice.

  119. Alf

    The weekly briefings have been cancelled Bruce. The Government may be transparent and open about its policy, but that is not the same as being transparent and open about what it is doing. Do you really buy the line that they are doing so because it concerns naval operations? They are doing it because they don’t want people to know what’s going on.

    None of your hysterical assertions are backed up by evidence JC. You can make any accusation you want – of course, but that doesn’t make them true. Do you have tourettes, little man?

  120. JC

    The weekly briefings have been cancelled Bruce.

    No they haven’t. You’re lying.

    The Government may be transparent and open about its policy, but that is not the same as being transparent and open about what it is doing. Do you really buy the line that they are doing so because it concerns naval operations? They are doing it because they don’t want people to know what’s going on.

    Lol, but, but the boats were stopped. Labor stopped the boats. They really did.

    None of your hysterical assertions are backed up by evidence JC. You can make any accusation you want – of course, but that doesn’t make them true. Do you have tourettes, little man?

    Fuck off Alfie. You disgust me.

  121. Gab

    They are doing it because they don’t want people to know what’s going on.

    LOL they know what’s going on, the Indos know what’s going on and the results speak for themselves, you old sour puss.

  122. Alf

    We know the Indos know what’s going on Gab, because that’s where Australians are getting the story from. Not a good look.

    I never said Labor stopped the boats JC. If the weekly briefings haven’t been cancelled, they haven’t been held either. I believe one was due last Friday but Morrison declined to hold it. I don’t think they have confirmed that there will be any more.

  123. JC

    Next up from Alfie’s routine… but but their ABC is rightwing. Andrew (Lightfoot) did research which showed this.

  124. Gab

    Not a good look.

    Ahahahahaha boats have slowed to a trickle and Alfie Boy says it’s not a good look.

  125. JC

    There were no boats for the past few weeks, Alfie, you fucking idiot. This isn’t the Liars discussing “push/pull factors and complexities” causing 50,000 people to roll over here in 6 years along with 4100 drownings. So if there’s nothing to talk about there’s nothing to talk about. Morrison has better things to do.

    You appalling dickhead Alfie.

  126. Gab

    Perhaps Alfie is right. Perhaps Morrison should hold a presser everyday and announce that no boats had arrived.

  127. JC

    Ahahahahaha boats have slowed to a trickle and Alfie Boy says it’s not a good look.

    The next election has swung it for Liars on this alone, Gab. Don’t forget that Morrison could have discussed “the complexity of the push/pull factors”. He should have made time for that. It’s obvious he isn’t passionate as his Liar party counterpart in wanting to talk more about the complexity of the push/pull factors.

    Isn’t that right, alfie, you zombie?

  128. JC

    Perhaps Alfie is right. Perhaps Morrison should hold a presser everyday and announce that no boats had arrived.

    Of course he should have. It’s vital he holds a presser and go into detail about no boats arriving. This will cost them dearly at the next election…. according to Alf the Zmobie.

  129. JC

    Let’s remember… it’s all about the push pull factors and their complexity making it very difficult to stop 50,000 boaties and 41000 known drownings.

  130. Cold-Hands

    The most serious charge is that the information was published at all.

    Especially as the ABC has failed to produce evidence that they received advice from the security services regarding the release of such a sensitive matter. This is despite ABC statements that they sought and were given advice, and the successful lodgement of a FOI request for that advice.

  131. Gab

    No passion and no selfies – that’s going to kill it for the Libs.

  132. Gab

    Especially as the ABC has failed to produce evidence that they received advice from the security services regarding the release of such a sensitive matter. This is despite ABC statements that they sought and were given advice, and the successful lodgement of a FOI request for that advice.

    Oh? You mean the ABC won’t tell us about it. That’s not a good look.

  133. JC

    It’s the passion, Gab. You have to be passionate about the boats. The libs aren’t passionate while Liars are.

    Which reminds me, I wonder how that investigation is going about the rape charge allegedly perpetrated by a senior Liars party figure. I bet there’s passion there.

  134. Gab

    But no selfies, I’m sure.

  135. Alf

    Twisting my words again – I said that getting the story from Jakarta was not a good look. Too easy indeed Gab.

    Don’t forget that Morrison could have discussed “the complexity of the push/pull factors”. He should have made time for that.
    Don’t you think this is a complex issue JC? Of course it is.

  136. JC

    Don’t you think this is a complex issue JC?

    No.

    Of course it is.

    Only because you’re a low IQ’ed zombie who believed the swill about the “complexity of push/pull factors”.

  137. Alf

    Ok, JC. There’s no complexity at all about a situation that involves thousands of people, politicking, politics, international relations, war, danger to human life etc. Your anger makes you look silly. You should be happy, the boats have slowed, the people on them are incarcerated and the Govt. is claiming success.

  138. JC

    It looks complex to an incompetent, Alfie, you zombie. In fact it would appear insolvable to the asshats in the liars party, which is why we had 50,000 incoming and 4,100 drown at sea.

    Yea, as I said no biggie, but problematic for a charlatan and Liars zombie like you.

  139. JC

    Alfie, you fucking moron.

    Liars told us for six year straight that the problem was this big and very very very hard to solve. The libs basically closed it down in the first coupla weeks.

  140. Alf

    You really don’t do yourself any favours do you JC. I’d be embarrassed to write the stuff that comes from your keyboard. But, it’s late. Gotta go – you’ve obviously run out of things to say anyway.

  141. JC

    You really don’t do yourself any favours do you JC.

    Don’t need to.

    I’d be embarrassed to write the stuff that comes from your keyboard.

    Of course you would. That’s because you’re a zombie and a very low IQ’ed one at that.

    But, it’s late. Gotta go – you’ve obviously run out of things to say anyway.

    Nope, I haven’t. But it’s a good thing you’re fucking off now, as you’re starting to bore me.

  142. Gab

    you’ve obviously run out of things to say anyway

    LOL.

  143. Cold-Hands

    Oh? You mean the ABC won’t tell us about it. That’s not a good look.

    The ABC now claims that the advice was provided face-to-face and no records were made.

  144. C.L.

    Tom Switzer in the SMH: warmenism all done. It’s finished.

  145. C.L.

    Gold medal to Stackja (above):

    Secret climate business.

    LOL.

  146. Fisky

    We might as well be discussing geography with a member of the Flat Earth Society.

    Alfie – take a hike. You’ve nothing to contribute at this blog.

  147. Blogstrop

    The SMH publishing Switzer on that topic is one for the record books. Perhaps the ABC could rerun The Great GlobaL Warming Swindle, but without the Jones & Karoly comment squad.

  148. Blogstrop

    Alf is a common troll with delusions of competence.

  149. Combine_Dave

    Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out… and the corporations sit there in their… in their corporation buildings, and… and, and see, they’re all corporation-y… and they make money.

    Longer Alf.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    That article in the SMH by Tom Switzer is gobsmacking, or it will be to their lefty readers. Unheard of to have so many burnable points of heresy in a single article in SMH. Arup, Hannam and Cubby must be rolling in their tofu in horror.

    While on this, an oped in the UK Telegraph adds a right hook to Switzer’s left hook:

    What if man-made climate change is all in the mind?

    In the UK the lefty druids are crying woe over the very cold and wet weather they have been having lately. Mr Thomas tears one of them a new one very Delingpole-ishly.

  151. cohenite

    Climate change all in the mind; the left have minds?!

    On the boat people which alf has been trolling about Pickering has a good analysis. Basically Pickering is saying because the Indonesian government is in caretaker mode it is only interested in presenting a tough [to Australia] image for home consumption and is letting its military deal directly with Australia about the boat people.

    That is why things are happening now with efficiency. And that is why the operational details should not be made public; it would embarrass the Indonesian government and force them to renter the situation.

    That hasn’t stopped fuckwits like alf bleating about openness or that canker sarah fucking 2 sperm donors demanding details. Why is it that no one in the MSM who have been interviewing this princess bitch continuously have asked her about the 1500 dead directly due to her party’s policies about boat-people?

    Anyway good on Morrison for keeping his mouth shut. How rare is that; a pollie doing a good job not wanting to boast about it; what a change from the alp scum who boasted while doing a bad job.

    Shut the ABC.

  152. egg_

    Arup, Hannam and Cubby must be rolling in their tofu in horror.

    Soon climate change activism will be added to yoghurt weaving as ‘interests’ only for the reality-challenged.

    Is Suzuki still threatening to bang-up political dissenters?

  153. egg_

    Secret climate busine$$.

    +1

  154. egg_

    The ABC now claims that the advice was provided face-to-face and no records were made.

    Or they employ a Kev-o-matic shredder?

  155. CatAttack

    Imagine if Obama held a press conference, conducted a briefing or even issued a press release every time a Mexican crossed the border. This whole Indonesian refugee situation has become so ridiculous it’s beyond parody. Hopefully Abbott will be able to restore the ordered process for genuine refugees that Australians will continue to support generously.

  156. Leo G

    “I never said Labor stopped the boats JC. If the weekly briefings haven’t been cancelled, they haven’t been held either. I believe one was due last Friday but Morrison declined to hold it. I don’t think they have confirmed that there will be any more.” – Alf (or is that ALF)

    Alf, for your information, the details of the latest regular briefing:

    OPERATION SOVEREIGN BORDERS
    Update 10 January 2014
    10-01-2014 – Current as at 9.00am, 10 January 2014
    ILLEGAL MARITIME ARRIVALS
    IMAs transferred to Australian immigration authorities
    Date*. IMAs. SIEVs
    TOTAL. 0. 0
    *Based on date of arrival in Australia.

    Current transferee populations – Offshore Processing Centres
    As at 10 January 2014
    Manus Island 1259
    Nauru 867
    TOTAL OPCs 2126
    Christmas Island Facilities 2107

    Transfers to Offshore Processing Centres of IMAs on or after 18 September 2013
    Destination. 3 January to 10 January* Since OSB commenced (18 Sep 2013) to 10 January
    Manus Island 30 564
    Nauru 29 544
    TOTAL. 59 1108

    Voluntary returns to country of origin from Offshore Processing Centres since OSB commenced on 18 September 2013: 133*

    *Includes those who transited via Australia.

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