The old guard

We now have a list of more than 150 ‘educators’ who want to deny that there has been a change of government and who seem motivated to continue Australia’s inexorable slide down the PISA ladder.

Make no mistake, these are ideologues, interested only in their own discredited theories and practices who care naught for students. The change of government has disrupted their cosy positions.

They claim to have three concerns:

  • that the review is political and moves away from an apolitical curriculum
  • that the timing of the review is disruptive; and
  • that the review panel Kevin Donnelly and Ken Wiltshire hold ‘highly critical views’ on the Australian curriculum.

These three reasons are a smokescreen: they just want to preserve the present substandard curriculum. If an educator was really motivated by the quality of teaching and education, he or she would applaud the regular review of the curriculum.

The present curriculum is highly political, and is demonstrably substandard. It has failed students, and its review is extremely timely. Both review panel members are superbly qualified for the task, and rightly have a skeptical view of the present curriculum.

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100 Responses to The old guard

  1. Mike of Marion

    And Numbers wasn’t asked to put his name to the list!!!!!! The others must be a wake-up to Numbers teaching ability and curriculum interpretation skills!!!!!!

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    Yeah I heard that — great laugh for a great start to the day and Nick Cater’s piece today is a gem. I really like his writing style, he and Henry Ergas are my favourites at the moment

    FGS — TLS banged on about ejakayshun for her entire time in government — ejakayshun didn’t appear to do much for that gormless bint, in fact I think ejakayshum was to blame.

  3. JohnA

    Until the educational philosophy underlying the curriculum changes away from “educational experience” social engineering to the impartation of a definable body of knowledge useful for mature citizens of a constitutional monarchy, there will be superficial changes only.

    “Vanity, vanity, all is vanity and striving after wind!” The Preacher (Ecclesiastes).

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    The present curriculum is highly political, and is demonstrably substandard. It has failed students, and its review is extremely timely. Both review panel members are superbly qualified for the task, and rightly have a skeptical view of the present curriculum.

    I like this

  5. Tintarella di Luna

    Christopher Pyne – am I permitted to nominate him for a high-level office in the VRWC? His tally of head explosions has been epic and only 4 months into the job. Love it

  6. bh

    “we do believe that we hold particular expertise contributed by our many years (many
    centuries, in fact) of combined experience in the study and practice of education”

    So if I wrote a letter to Pyne congratulating him on that move and had it was signed by 1000 first-year teachers, surely Pyne would have to pay regard to it, as as the signees could also claim “many centuries” of combined experience?!

  7. Blair

    “…….do not see a strong bias………”
    As long as the bias is not strong, what’s the problem?

  8. iamok

    Wifey is a long term teacher. We have and are having this debate!

    What staggers me from the chatterati is the gnashing that Donnelly etc are critics of the current curriculum. Well hello why would you pay someone who is just going to tell you what you want to hear? That is unless you are the last government.

    Bring this review on I say. It is long long overdue.

  9. Tel

    Politicized teaching is one of the main reasons schools should be a lot more autonomous about the details of their curriculum. Best avoid central planning where possible.

  10. Tintarella di Luna

    So here we have a list of 150 dinosaurs – I wonder if it’s genus? pedagogasaurus

  11. Frank Brus

    Does anyone know of the political leanings etc of the team who did the most recent review? I have no idea, but my guess is that they would have been very friendly to the Labor government. If so, why wasn’t there no howls of protests from our side of politics!

  12. manalive

    Of the 150+ ‘educators’ only 12 describe themselves as (presumably) practising teachers.

  13. Gilas

    Interesting that that at least 121 of the 176 signatories are women, many in tenured academic positions. Is this representative of the general education establishment? I so I am sure it has nothing whatsoever to do with the feminist leanings in several areas of the current curriculum..

  14. AP

    Ha ha ha, seriously, who describes themselves as a “phD candidate”? If you aint got the bit of paper, you can’t claim it luv. Ha ha ha. Probably in social anthropology, womens studies or something useful like that. Chris Pyne, this is a good list of who to get rid of first.

  15. As long as we view our education system as a means of producing workers and not well educated life-long thinkers and learners we will always have an educational system that fails.

  16. dd

    The curriculum is the culture war frontline for this government. Forget all the self-indulgent blather about the ABC. Nothing’s happening over there. And Tim Wilson’s appointment is small fry in comparison. The curriculum is where the action is, and that’s where it will be over the life of Abbott first term.

  17. Jennifer Flowers

    Maybe there should be a comparable list, published by The Australian, which supports the review!! I’m sure it would outnumber the SMH’s in no time.

  18. gnome

    Perhaps they could sew their lips together in protest?

  19. name these 150 so called experts & analyse their qualifications to comment.

  20. If so, why wasn’t there no howls of protests from our side of politics!

    Because the ratchet only goes left; democracy itself is leftist.

  21. Tintarella di Luna

    As long as we view our education system as a means of producing workers and not well educated life-long thinkers and learners we will always have an educational system that fails.

    Yes it’s a sausage factory

  22. Gab

    They claim to have three concerns:

    that the review is political and moves away from an apolitical curriculum
    that the timing of the review is disruptive; and
    that the review panel Kevin Donnelly and Ken Wiltshire hold ‘highly critical views’ on the Australian curriculum.

    They’re kidding themselves if they actually believe the current blatantly socialist curriculum is apolitical. Only a committed socialist would think such a thing and the “concern” belongs in the Well They Would Say That Wouldn’t They file.

    Timing? So when should the review be done? Ooh, I know, Miss: Never unless a Fabian/ socialist was to be in charge of the review. Then and only then would the timing of the review be perfect.

    Donnelly and Wiltshire are “highly critical” ? Well isn’t that what’s needed when anything is reviewed? Or do these ‘educators’ just want more of the same and expect different results? They’re not what one would call acquainted with logic.

  23. Fibro

    So the cc, bcc and copy all email worked a treat for our beloved educators? Nothing much else to do than forward emails around to the precious ones?

    Interesting that of the 176 signatures:
    Less than 1/3 are male, 125 are University or similar who don’t deliver the actual teaching, whilst only 21 were actual teachers. (plus the 4 PhD would be’s of course)

    Can someone also teach the writer to turn spell check to English UK, not US which is what we use in Australia. Destabilise is with an S not a Z, or has that changed as well since I leant how to subract fractions and write an essay.

    Simple utter purile rot.

  24. candy

    The ‘educators’ are putting themselves first and children last.

    The negativity of the Left towards any Abbott initiative is astounding. It appears to be about being anti-Abbott/anti-conservative and nothing else. A very sad state of affairs.

  25. Ready made black list isn’t it. Do not employ.

  26. Pete of Freo

    “The development of the Australian Curriculum took place over an extended period and involved contributions from thousands of stakeholders, including teachers and other educators, students, and parents and community members.”
    This is a laughable claim; as a practicing teacher (and I note the dearth of these on the list) who has been involved in the process, the notion that any of the “contributions” actually had any affect on the shape and nature of the final product is just a joke.
    One of the principal architects of this risible rubbish was previously a big wheel in the production of the disastrous, un-workable, failed and now defunct Western Australian Curriculum Framework; a monumentally expensive blunder which destroyed the education of a generation, and destroyed careers. Teachers in WA feel like the Poles who were sent back to Poland from Britian after WWII: we fought and resisted and finally got rid of the Curriculum Framework, sat in limbo for a while, and then had the whole lot thrown back at us from a national level.

  27. Fred Lenin

    If the “System”(a nice soshalist phrase) is changed ,it will undo years of conniving,lying manlpulationand hand wringing by the Fascist Soshalist “unintelligentsia” ,Shocking ! digracefull! All that “work ” for nothing,,the Untidy Nayshuns willbe Most Displeased,undoing thair Big Plan for World Domination,I wonder if Perfesser Jooliar Giliard will bring it up in her Paid Junket in the non Mysoginist Islamofascist Dubai,amazing how Fascists Stick together?

  28. Quibbler

    Excellent article by Nick but it nearly made me weep. I had the “pleasure” of attending a school concert last year featuring song and dance routines about sustainability. The indoctrination of our children is shameful.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The current curriculum is a set-piece of leftist political indoctrination that severely limits students education in contrast to the formal education received by students in other countries, especially in Asia. DD is correct. There is a tremendous battle to be fought over what schools teach these days. With luck there will be flow-on effects to point out and reduce the leftism of that which is taught in universities as well. Eventually, we might even begin to see some critical thinking about the implicit leftism in much of the media. It will take a generation for the next generation to turn it around, once the indoctrination has been removed from their formative years. Oh – and as the current brainwashed generation just out of such ‘education’ start to confront the real world and its problems. Some will twig to the snow-job they have received under the benevolent disguise of the left (some of us did, after all; the Cat is full of ex-leftists who have grown up).

  30. Dan

    Not a single signatory representing students or parents???

  31. HRT

    Too bad Professor Merv Bendle is not involved with the review. He surely knows where a lot of the skeletons are buried.

  32. Andrew of Randwick

    Just look at the letter and you can see what is wrong with our education system. Just a few quickies.
    1) Addressed to a street address – doesn’t Mr Pyne have an office?
    2) Date is American format with month first.
    3) Salutation is Dear Minister, but closing is yours sincerely – not faithfully. Guess they missed that lesson.
    4) Opening paragraph is a shocker. Multiple subjects and no line of argument
    ….4a) Being concerned means nothing and sheds no light on agree/disagree
    ….4b) “The fact that we sign together demonstrates that there are many people who are concerned with the decision” – no it does not, logical error.
    5) Closing paragraph is not much better
    ….5a) “We offer these comments in the spirit of robust discussion in a democratic society” – what no conclusion, no call to action, no nothing.
    ….5b) “particular expertise” – I am glad they did not say “relevant expertise”
    .
    I could go on but it is not worth my time.

  33. Ellen of Tasmania

    Get governments out of education. They are not needed.

    The Left can fund their own ideological schools.

  34. Blair

    Dr Jana Visnovska
    Organisational Unit: Education – School of
    Topics: Mathematics education, professional development of mathematics teachers, equity issues in mathematics education, middle years statistics, design research.

  35. Hawkeye P.

    “The negativity of the Left towards any Abbott initiative is astounding. It appears to be about being anti-Abbott/anti-conservative and nothing else.”

    That’s because they believe that was the sole motivation behind any criticism of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.

    Which implies they actually believe those idiots were doing a good job (an even sadder state of affairs, IMHO).

  36. Outraged

    Thank god for the appointment of Kevin Donnelly. He will bring much needed common sense into Australian education. The lefties wont like it. Tough! Pee, or get off the pot.

  37. Andrew of Randwick

    Is this the signatory 42 Mia Dodd via LinkedIn?
    Mia Dodd’s Summary
    I have had extensive experience in the customer service and hospitality industry and am interested in expanding my experience in this area focusing on event management. My recent experience also includes primary school teaching however my current interests are more focused towards the events and marketing industry.
    Mia Dodd’s Experience
    — Administration and Experience Coordinator, Bar-Be School March 2013 – Present (11 months) Sydney Area, Australia. Based on the Lower North Shore, The BBQ school business includes a national cooking school and promotional events agency.
    — Primary School Teacher, NSW Department of Education and Communities, January 2012 – March 2013 (1 year 3 months)
    — Functions Supervisor Cabana Bar and Lounge, January 2011 – March 2013 (2 years 3 months) Sydney Area, Australia. Cabana Bar and Lounge is a rugby club located in St Leonards on the North Shore of Sydney. It hosts one of the largest beer gardens in Sydney and caters for wide variety of special events including corporate cocktail parties, conferences, weddings, product launches and gala dinners.

  38. Tintarella di Luna

    Not a single signatory representing students or parents???

    Amazing that eh? who’d a thunk. The Melbourne Declaration signed in 2008 with great fanfare when there wall-to-wall Labor government was supposed to be a compact between the state school systems, the commonwealth and parents – yeah right –
    Thomas Jefferson said Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

    Thomas Jefferson

    The Left’s march through the institutuions has corrupted Jefferson’s fine words, they now read as follows: “Miseducate and misinform the whole mass of people – they are the only sure reliance for the loss of our liberty”

    Our schools, our universities and colleges of higher learning, aided and abetted by a traitrous, calumnious fifth/filth column mainstream media are the bolt holes of the Left and they must be dragged out and their eggs smashed. Go Christopher Pyne

  39. Fibro

    Well spotted Andrew of Randwick.

    So our poor Mia spent 4 years studying to be a teacher at our expense and spent a whole 15 months teaching to find out that she really likes is cooking BBQ’s and entertaining instead. Interesting that you can do 2 jobs at the same time. Must have been a really comitted, interesting and engaged teacher.

  40. Blair

    Dr Amanda Keddie
    Amanda Keddie is an ARC Future Fellow. Her fellowship project is entitled: Socially just schooling: a cross-cultural analysis of gender, cultural diversity and social change within Australia and the UK. Her research interests and publications are in the field of gender, cultural diversity, social justice and schooling. She has published extensively in these areas. She is the author of Teaching Boys: Developing classroom practices that work (2007) and Educating for diversity and social justice (2011).
    Research Interests
    › Poststructural and postcolonial theory
    › Feminism
    › Cultural diversity
    › Gender and social justice
    › Pedagogies and critical reflection

  41. Make no mistake, these are ideologues, interested only in their own discredited theories and practices who care naught for students. The change of government has disrupted their cosy positions.

    Aptly describes Pyne and Donnelly.

    Wiltshire will do what he’s told.

    In the final analysis, nothing much will change. It takes years to implement curriculum reform. Based on the history of curriculum development in Australia, it has marginal impact on what happens day to day in the classroom, across all sectors and at all levels.

    There’s a very simple process going on here, and I’ve seen it repeated by all sides of politics over a period of forty years.

    “Doing something about education” is the meme. It is endemic with every newly elected government.

    To ask forgiveness of the immortal bard (still on the national curriculum by the way) –

    Life’s Curriculum reform is but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
    Signifying nothing.

  42. Ready made black list isn’t it. Sack immediately. Do not re-employ. Automatic bar for all child-related employment for life.

    FIFY.

  43. The bleatings of the vanquished. It should be given the same consideration that was given to the stakeholders in the formation of the national curriculum, but without the pretending.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    The bleatings of the vanquished. It should be given the same consideration that was given to the stakeholders in the formation of the national curriculum, but without the pretending.

    I’ll run off about 200 copies of that letter from the 150 pedagogasauri, put a hole through the lot at the top, tie it up with a piece of string and send it by express post to Christopher Pyne’s parliamentary office with a note to hang it behind the dunny door in case of emergencies.

  45. 132andBush

    Quibbler

    #1150011, posted on January 14, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Excellent article by Nick but it nearly made me weep. I had the “pleasure” of attending a school concert last year featuring song and dance routines about sustainability. The indoctrination of our children is shameful.

    Had the same experience Quib.
    All of our 2/3/4 class did a rendition of “Big yellow taxi”. The whole slant was to the effect “nothing humans have done is good, all bad”.
    I could barely hold back my disgust and was told off by Mrs 132 for a “brainwashing bullshit” comment uttered not quite as “under my breath” as it could have been.

    As I posted in an earlier education thread, we are pushing for all students to know up to their 12 times tables by Grade four. It being a concern to learn this hasn’t been happening.*

    *Not just be taught them but to KNOW them off by heart.

    In the mid 70′s we had to know them by the end of grade three.

  46. C.L.

    ■ that the review is political and moves away from an apolitical curriculum

    Ahahahahahaha.

    By “apolitical,” of course, they mean left-wing.

  47. Of far more importance than the written formal curriculum is the hidden curriculum.

    There are a number of views of the hidden curriculum –

    The structural-functional view focuses on how norms and values are conveyed within schools and how their necessities for the functioning of society become indisputably accepted. The phenomenological view suggests that meaning is created through situational encounters and interactions, and it implies that knowledge is somewhat objective. The radical critical view recognizes the relationship between economic and cultural reproduction and stresses the relationships among the theory, ideology, and social practice of learning. Although the first two theories have contributed to the analysis of the hidden curriculum, the radical critical view of schooling provides the most insight. Most importantly it acknowledges the perpetuated economic and social aspects of education that are clearly illustrated by the hidden curriculum.

    You can choose, but the bottom line is simply that the quality of the day-to-day interactions between teacher and student, student and student, teacher and teacher, and school and community has far greater effect on results than words on paper, which essentially is all that a written curriculum is.

    The social/cultural context is far more influential than standardized curriculum.

    That is why all the sound and fury surrounding this latest review is completely irrelevant.

  48. Token

    By “apolitical,” of course, they mean left-wing.

    Every week we are being assaulted by the same lie from the left – how the right is ideological and the left is apolytical & pragmatic.

    Ok, I better move the link to the the Jonah Goldberg book to my favourites:

    According to Jonah Goldberg, if the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist, the greatest trick liberals ever pulled was convincing themselves they’re not ideological.

    Today, “objective” journalists, academics, and “moderate” politicians peddle some of the most radical arguments by hiding them in homespun apho­risms. Barack Obama casts himself as a disciple of reason: He’s a pragmatist, opposed to the ideology and drama of the Right, solely concerned with “what works.”

  49. candy

    Go Christopher Pyne

    That’s for sure, Tinta!

    Let’s be positive and hope for good outcomes and wish him well.
    It’s extremely important for our future that he gets it as right as possible.

  50. Mr Rusty

    Blair
    #1150031, posted on January 14, 2014 at 9:45 am
    Dr Jana Visnovska
    Organisational Unit: Education – School of
    Topics: Mathematics education, professional development of mathematics teachers, equity issues in mathematics education,

    Reminded me of this gem from ACARA;

    “The Australian Curriculum: Mathematics values Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander histories and cultures.”

    Mathematics, a 14 billion year old pure language that governs and describes the known physical Universe “values” history and culture…?!
    Pyne would do well to sack everyone and anyone who wrote or agrees with such a steaming, progressive, pile of moronic dung.

  51. Tintarella di Luna

    E

    very week we are being assaulted by the same lie from the left – how the right is ideological and the left is apolytical & pragmatic.

    Well since 8 September, 2013 the Left is apoplectic and panicked as their sandcastle crumbles courtesy of big Pyne rake

  52. James In Footscray

    It’s interesting they’re all at universities, not secondary teachers and principals.

  53. Token

    It’s interesting they’re all at universities, not secondary teachers and principals.

    Imagine if 1/5th of the money spent on that class was used to pay for text books for kids?

  54. Viva

    Research Interests
    › Poststructural and postcolonial theory
    › Feminism
    › Cultural diversity
    › Gender and social justice
    › Pedagogies and critical reflection

    That’s the whole box and dice.

    While ever teaching is done in the context of a unionised public service, then you can predict the slant of its practitioners. Wherever “human services” are being carried out, there you will find the dominion of EEO, WHS/OHS, anti-bullying/anti harassment protocols, diversity awareness, environmental awareness, awareness awareness – it’s bred in the culture.

    I can put up with it from those people who work at the sharp end of human suffering in the social work sector and in the “caring” professions. I wouldn’t expect otherwise. They usually put their money where their mouth is and there is some practical intent involved in the work they do among people of different cultures and those at the bottom of the heap. It is the ideologues and theoreticians hiding behind a caring visage that I cannot abide. The mindless luvvies come a close second.

  55. Rabz

    Great. Just what public discourse in this country is crying out for – the utterly worthless opinions of some “well respected tachers”.

    Just shut the fuck up, you inveterate imbeciles.

  56. Rabz

    I had the “pleasure” of attending a school concert last year featuring song and dance routines about sustainability.

    Words fail.

    :x

  57. Tintarella di Luna

    Let’s be positive and hope for good outcomes and wish him well.

    too right candy I often send encouragement his way, he’s a smarty-pants at times but I like it when he savages the likes of the Slovenian hag — many of the Liberal pollies have an incisive wit tempered by the classics one of my favourites is this I wish I could find the video of it – loved it

  58. Violet Pimpernel

    As a former Australian resident now living overseas, seeing this curriculum just reinforces the decision to leave. Australia has become a country that would rather drag people down to it’s own level than push people upward toward world beating success. It is the mark of a socialist state and incipient decline.

    The education departments of Australia are now staffed by disgruntled baby boomers and miscellaneous bitter socialists who simply wish to pervert the thinking of a whole generation of children to bring them into line with their own warped, self-limiting orthodoxies and ideologies.

    Heaven help any child that is subjected to this perverse new curriculum. The world does not work the way it is set out and never will.

    Even worse, the utterly pathetic, career nobodies who wrote the curriculum should be afforded the level of recognition they deserve. That is, absolutely none. They ought to be completely ignored and consigned to the waste basket of history, as a generation of self-indulgent social experimenters who had no regard for anyone but themselves and their petty, internecine ideology.

    One can only hope private schools will navigate around this egregious trash. For those who cannot afford a private school, it is desperately unfair to have this curriculum foisted upon them. It will simply reinforce class division and perpetuate a society that is less egalitarian than ever.

    To think this is what modern Australia has become. The best place in the world to live – Pure delusion! The unenlightened are benighting those meek enough to stand for such destructive and manipulative political ideology masquerading as education. Then of course there are those who have just left the country in disgust!

  59. candy

    too right candy I often send encouragement his way, he’s a smarty-pants at times

    I think I’ll send off a message of support too – true, he is a smarty-pants at times and he doesn’t need that.

  60. Rabz

    that the review panel Kevin Donnelly and Ken Wiltshire hold ‘highly critical views’ on the Australian curriculum.

    Well, there’s the problem in a nutshell, obviously. How could anyone hold ‘highly critical views’ of such an august document and expect to be taken seriously?

  61. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1150095, posted on January 14, 2014 at 10:44 am
    Of far more importance than the written formal curriculum is the hidden curriculum.
    [...]
    That is why all the sound and fury surrounding this latest review is completely irrelevant.

    You’re irrelevant. Despite your postmodern nonsense about a “hidden curriculum” semiotics of power and such, either the matter which is contained in the National Curriculum is taught or it is not. If it is, then it is tendentious and a-historical drivel. What amazes me about the modern left is that they have not moved on from the 70′s. What will it take for you lot to trade your bell-bottoms up for big-boy pants?

  62. Token

    Mathematics, a 14 billion year old pure language that governs and describes the known physical Universe “values” history and culture…?!
    Pyne would do well to sack everyone and anyone who wrote or agrees with such a steaming, progressive, pile of moronic dung

    Is it not bad enough that on their watch that Australian students are ranked 19th globally, with the slump being due to the top students sliding noticably?

    Of course not.

  63. Jannie

    Numbers might be at least partially be right for once. Attempts at reform are just political sound and fury, which the embedded bureaucrat ideologues will suppress as soon as Pyne turns his back. Outcomes Based Education has been around for a long time now, it was a nightmare in the 1990s when my kids were at school. Neither my wife nor I could make head nor tails of our kids OBE school reports, and the teachers were unable to satisfactorily explain what they meant. We were assured that it was a failed experiment that was being phased out. But the Bureaucrats and Teachers stayed in the system, and concerned parents eventually move on as the kids grow up.

  64. cuckoo

    The leftists have played their nuclear trump card: one of the reviewers has been linked to…Big Tobacco. Oogah-booogah!

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    I had the “pleasure” of attending a school concert last year featuring song and dance routines about sustainability.

    Pity they just didn’t do a nativity play sustainability and renewables at their best: what with the stable as a birthing unit, the manger recycled as a crib, the lamb and camel droppings for the veggie garden out the back of the inn, ..with Jesus was a Capricorn as the soundtrack. It really is a wonder that Greenies don’t like Jesus more

  66. either the matter which is contained in the National Curriculum is taught or it is not.

    I’d be fascinated by what meaning you attach to “taught”.
    Please define the term, and explain how both student and teacher are involved in the process.

  67. cohenite

    The social/cultural context is far more influential than standardized curriculum.

    Very good numbers, is that a veiled plea for the reintroduction of the cane and a general hardening of consequences?

  68. Tintarella di Luna

    Aristogeiton
    #1150136, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Please define the term, and explain how both student and teacher are involved in the process.

    Aristogeiton, back away now — troll-bait — either that or put on your troggles and just scroll by

  69. cuckoo

    And remember when Australia pulled an embarrassingly low world ranking in school reading scores, during the Gillard regime? As this threatened to embarrass the Edukayshun PM, Fairfax pushed out someone who tried to pretend it could be explained by …low iodine levels.

  70. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1150149, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:11 am
    either the matter which is contained in the National Curriculum is taught or it is not.

    I’d be fascinated by what meaning you attach to “taught”.
    Please define the term, and explain how both student and teacher are involved in the process.

    I’d be fascinated by what meaning you attach to “define”. Please delineate the term, and explain how both lexicographer and philologist are involved in the process.

  71. Rabz

    Fairfax pushed out someone who tried to pretend it could be explained by …low iodine levels.

    Now, there’s a piece that’s crying out for a reinterpretation in a song and dance routine from some earnest li’l poppets.

  72. Leo G

    Life’s Curriculum reform is but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
    Signifying nothing.

    Numbers implies that curriculum reform is devoid of any meaning, and tragically chooses to quote Macbeth’s soliloquy representing the point before which he had absolute confidence he could withstand any challenge but from which he conceded his impending complete defeat.
    I guess to teach to the curriculum doesn’t require a teacher to understand the content.

  73. Mr Rusty

    Token
    #1150138, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:07 am
    Is it not bad enough that on their watch that Australian students are ranked 19th globally, with the slump being due to the top students sliding noticably?

    But that is success for the left Token. Everyone is equally stupid, and when everyone is equally poor there will be no more inequality to eliminate!

  74. Please delineate the term, and explain how both lexicographer and philologist are involved in the process.

    No problem – from the on-line dictionary

    Define -
    1.to state or set forth the meaning of (a word, phrase, etc.): They disagreed on how to define “liberal.”
    2.to explain or identify the nature or essential qualities of; describe: to define judicial functions.
    3.to fix or lay down clearly and definitely; specify distinctly: to define one’s responsibilities. Synonyms: state, name, describe, detail, enumerate.
    4.to determine or fix the boundaries or extent of: to define property with stakes.
    5.to make clear the outline or form of:

    Lexicographers were involved in the definition in a number of ways, including practical
    profiling the intended users (i.e. linguistic and non-linguistic competences) and identifying their needs defining the communicative and cognitive functions of the dictionary. They select and organize the components of the dictionary choosing the appropriate structures for presenting the data in the dictionary (i.e. frame structure, distribution structure, macro-structure, micro-structure and cross-reference structure). They select words and affixes for systematization as entries selecting collocations, phrases and examples choosing lemma forms for each word or part of word to be lemmatized. They define words organizing definitions specifying pronunciations of word labeling definitions and pronunciations for register and dialect, where appropriate selecting equivalents in bi- and multi-lingual dictionaries. All of these processes would have been used in developing a meaning for “define”.

    Given that Philology is the study of language in written historical sources and a combination of literary criticism, history, and linguistics, these factors would have been taken into account by philologists in the development of an agreed meaning for the term.

    All of this information, and more, is readily available on Wikipedia.

    Now, what do you mean by “taught”?

  75. Samuel-

    I am not arguing that Australia’s curriculum is substandard. After all I was the one who finally located the UNESCO global curriculum documents on what is in store for all of us in all countries, especially the Anglosphere, and how UNESCO said it was pushing these “reforms” in the name of its job as task manager under Agenda 21.

    But PISA is a hugely important component of how UNESCO and the OECD drive education globally into creating political Worldviews and away from the transmission of knowledge. I am not speculating. I have put a great deal of time into tracking DeSeCo-the Definition and Selection of Competences and what PISA is really measuring.

    Virtually everything going on in K-12 especially uses terms that do not have a standard dictionary meaning in practice. And this is particularly true with the term assessment. I have been delving into the meaning of the phrase “teaching and learning” as the classroom focus recently and tracked it to the Russian word obuchenie. That analysis is as apt to Australia and New Zealand as the US and Canada.

  76. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1150192, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:39 am
    [...]
    Now, what do you mean by “taught”?

    You have amply demonstrated that you have the materials and ability to discover the meaning of the word yourself. Why should I do it for you?

  77. Tintarella di Luna

    I’d be fascinated by what meaning you attach to “define”. Please delineate the term, and explain how both lexicographer and philologist are involved in the process.

    Touche (with acute)

  78. Hawkeye P.

    “All of this information, and more, is readily available on Wikipedia.”

    Try looking up ‘wit’, in that case.

  79. cohenite

    Before numbers gives his considered response he should look at what happened to a teacher using reasonable restraint against a violent, abusive student in the NSW education system.

    I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to say the lessons students learn at school about the impotence of authority is a major cause of the unfettered violence now being expressed by young people in the streets.

    That part of the syllabus, the emasculation of authority by the progressives, should be the real starting point for this much overdue enquiry into the public schools in Australia.

  80. Mr Rusty

    cuckoo #1150142, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:08 am
    The leftists have played their nuclear trump card: one of the reviewers has been linked to…Big Tobacco. Oogah-booogah!

    That is fairly normal for Government reform of education isn’t it?
    I seem to remember someone with links to a “brand” that caused the untimely deaths of hundreds of millions of people (even if she was just a typist) who claimed her great passion was education. She was even a former Education Minister and led an “edukayshun revolution” spending billions filling construction Unionistas pockets on buildings then became PM and spent billions more filling education Unionistas pockets on school funding.
    Not sure what the outrage is about – at least they tax cigs and package them in drab olive, the only time they did that with Commies was under Chairman Mao and they even got a choice of blue OR olive.

  81. Boambee John

    “#1149936, posted on January 14, 2014 at 8:07 am
    Does anyone know of the political leanings etc of the team who did the most recent review? I have no idea, but my guess is that they would have been very friendly to the Labor government. If so, why wasn’t there no howls of protests from our side of politics!”

    Frank, I seem to recall that perfesser Stuart MacIntyre was a leading light in the previous effort.

    He is claimed to be an “ex-” communist, if such can ever become “ex”.

  82. Gilas

    Rabz:
    “Just shut the fuck up, you inveterate imbeciles.”

    I think you are being too kind, even imbeciles have some awareness of their limitations, after extensive readings on the subject, I could only conclude that the lefties have none.
    Everything they believe is right and sacrosanct! Everything a non socialist/communist/femi-nazi/social-justice-aware/gender-sensitive/affirmative-acting/diversity & sustainability-embracing person believes is automatically wrong.
    … and these morons have actually been “educated”!
    There is no better reason for reviewing the Curriculum.

  83. Token

    But that is success for the left Token. Everyone is equally stupid, and when everyone is equally poor there will be no more inequality to eliminate!

    That doesn’t stop the profession which by any objective standard is failing its duty demanding ever increasing amounts of pay for the teachers.

    Why would they have to raise the quality of eduction. It is not like their renumeration is linked to results (rather the contrary, the worse they do the more they get paid).

  84. You have amply demonstrated that you have the materials and ability to discover the meaning of the word yourself. Why should I do it for you?

    Because I don’t believe, given what you’ve posted so far, that you have any understanding of learning and teaching.

  85. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1150266, posted on January 14, 2014 at 12:23 pm
    You have amply demonstrated that you have the materials and ability to discover the meaning of the word yourself. Why should I do it for you?

    Because I don’t believe, given what you’ve posted so far, that you have any understanding of learning and teaching.

    No, because you want to rant about your postmodern cultural theory. If you can’t understand the meaning of the word “teach” in reference to the National Curriculum, then I doubt a semantic argument will remedy your ignorance.

  86. Alfonso

    In NZ the Statist left ( ie.everyone) has abetted the maori elite with maori language “immersion” in schools run as an equally competent language for the 21st century. The maori establishment love it, if their minions don’t have sophisticated language they’ll never be able to think about the how and why of their non realisable “shared” ownership of land. An excellent management tool.

  87. Tintarella di Luna #1149935, posted on January 14, 2014 at 8:03 am

    So here we have a list of 150 dinosaurs – I wonder if it’s genus? pedagogasaurus

    LOL. V Good

  88. stackja

    I left school in 1960.
    What was wrong with the 1950s curriculum?
    Education is too important to be left to the teacher’s union. I note a few Catholic school teachers mentioned. Cardinal Pell will not be amused.

  89. Peter56

    Another post on education, and again those errors keep on coming.
    And I must have missed the lesson on Dear Minister and sincerely/faithfully. Does that mean we have to be faithful to these lying scumbags? Spare me!!
    And yes, I do know the bullshit rule about using And at the start of a sentence.

  90. Andrew of Randwick

    Peter56 at 3:13 pm
    .
    A better sign off would have been…
    ….. Your most humble and obedient servants,
    Because we realise that most of us are public servants paid for by the people who elected you to government knowing you where going to make changes, and we will use all our skills to help you execute the will of the people.

  91. JimD

    Given my first full time job, more than 50 years ago, was with the now edu.vic mob and until 12 months ago privy to constant awareness of the goings on in the now edu.qld for 33 years and Whittakers’ propensity to exaggerate its’ expertise in matters all, thought I’d pop in to see what the master of education had to say about the coniferous ones’ proposed captain cook at the education abortion induced by Dr Cairns that’s become more septic year on year for forty fucking years. One word, uttered by the Toowoomba Terrorist itself this morning sums up not just its’ interruptions to this thread but appropriately describes an extract from a certain website I’ve not previously visited
    and I seemed to have wandered through the experience without too much psychic damage. and the word was Bullshit!
    Next nearest to bullshit prize for the post was seditionary1 @ 8.29am but ruled out a/c the utterance is proof positive of the failure of the current system to educate certain persons to any level of eludicity .

  92. JimD

    stackja
    #1150414, posted on January 14, 2014 at 2:47 pm
    I left school in 1960.
    What was wrong with the 1950s curriculum?

    Nothing.

  93. JimD

    Nothing. Absolutely nothing, compared to the current educationalists attitude to what constitutes education.

  94. Tator

    Cohenite,
    you should see the mess the Education Dept here in SA is in. After several sexual assaults on children by staff/contractors where the parents of other students were not advised of the incidents and the dept threatened the school council with legal action if they did advise the parent body. It was lucky (if you could call it that) that the victim was a police officers child and they made sure it was investigated properly from our side. Even after a Judicial enquiry by Justice Dobell, no sanctions were made on the staffers who failed to inform the minister at the time and now currently Premier Jay Weatherill who denied knowledge of the incident. Another incident was where a teacher framed a student for looking at porn on a school computer, the student was expelled from school and once the truth came out, hush money was paid by the dept to the student and it looks like another inquiry is going to happen once the election is over and hopefully the Libs get in this time as they were robbed last time winning 52% of the TPP vote.

  95. jupes

    And yes, I do know the bullshit rule about using And at the start of a sentence.

    Peter, as a pedant you should be able to better than this.

  96. Megan

    And yes, I do know the bullshit rule about using And at the start of a sentence.

    No such rule, it is grammatical myth. Relax.

  97. JimD

    1950′s education was great, identified horses for courses and nigh on everyone left school at the appropriate level of learning to go forth and enjoy a full, enjoyable and productive life whether it be as a plumber, carpenter, electrician, hairdresser, clerk, teacher, cabinetmaker, shop assistant, labourer, fitter, turner, mechanic, soldier, sailor, nurse, welder and so many other occupations in the interest of brevity too numerous to mention.

  98. Boambee John

    “#1150215, posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:53 am

    That doesn’t stop the profession which by any objective standard is failing its duty demanding ever increasing amounts of pay for the teachers.”

    But if they favour equality of outcome, shouldn’t everyone (including teachers) be paid the same, at the national average income.
    I look forward to the day the school janitor gets paid the same as the classroom teachers and the principal. Still, at least one of the group will be a happy camper!

  99. JimD

    By the late 1960′s an influx of commie pommies infiltrated the Australian Workplace and by spruiking falsities promoted dissatisfaction amongst the till then quite happy workers resultant in the election of Whitlam and a forty year decline in the value of the true worth of Australia or being Australian.

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