Not the ABC, the KSC

Am I the only one who has noticed that the ABC’s summer (and other times, too) television programming is dominated by two incredibly irritating Pommy prats, Kevin McCloud and Stephen Fry?  I cannot bear either of them and yet, we have program upon program compered by these two self-centred half-wits.

Take Kevin McCloud (we call him Harry Highpants, check out the early series) – what a green-obsessed, pretentious tosser.  The other night we caught a bit of a program where he was in effect berating the not-very-well-off couple for ordering a kit home.  What – not a kit home?  What they really should have done, according to Kevin, is commission an architect to design some completely impractical and expensive abode made out of driftwood and hemp.

And as for Stephen Fry, who evidently thinks Australians should be incarcerated because of our annoying accents (the upward inflexion at the end of sentences does not go down well with this Oxbridge educated bore), is on program after program, including the ridiculous and dreary QI.  This program really needs to be remained  - NI.

To be frank, I would rather have repeats of repeats of some of the entertaining drama and comedy produced locally for the ABC – The Library, The Moodys, The Slap, The Time of our Lives, Upper Middle Bogan, etc.  Anything but more Kevin and Stephen.

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116 Responses to Not the ABC, the KSC

  1. Rossini

    Who watches Summer-time ABC?

  2. jupes

    Who watches Summer-time ABC?

    S’actly Judith. Why do you think the evil Murdoch invented Foxtel?

    Patton was on last night.

  3. Walter Plinge

    I read in the middle of last year in the The Telegraph (UK) that even Britain is suffering from Stephen Fry overload. “Get him off the tellie!” was the cry.

  4. Percy

    Who watches Summer-time ABC?

    Foxtel is much better value for money. For my ABC dollars I get some question time on the radio and a headache from reading the Drum. How do I cancel my subscription?

  5. ken n

    Try Treme – I don’t think it has been on air here, but is available on DVD. By the producer of The Wire, but more intelligible, it is set in post Katrina New Orleans. Well drawn characters, great music from mostly unknown New Orleans musicians.

  6. Geriatric Mayfly

    Food nutters and someone forever poking around bloody houses. That’s the main fare, judging by the printed programmes. But Judith, be careful what you wish for in the locally made product. Quite often another good reason not to turn the television on in the first place. As if we needed encouragement !!

  7. Jim Hodge

    To be fair to Kevin McCloud I rate him as the best celebrity driver to do a lap on Top Gear.
    Fast whilst treating the car with respect, perhaps he’s related to Jim Clark?
    The government should be looking into the amount of protection the free TV industry has, the losers are the public who now don’t have a HD option for things like the BBL Cricket.

  8. Des Deskperson

    ‘The Library, The Moodys, The Slap, The Time of our Lives, Upper Middle Bogan, etc. Anything but more Kevin and Stephen.’

    I agree that we have had too much Kevin and Stephen – the latter seems to be aging very badly indeed. Anything , however, but the earnest stodge turned out by ABC drama.

    The Library?? Stale jokes about crazed nuns and sexually frustrated Catholics but the Muslim character was treated with kid gloves, notice that the Muslim never appeared in any scene that was in the least risqué. Cowards!

    The Time of our Lives?? Self-centered jerks living in cute little Edwardian houses in somewhere like Malvern and we are supposed to believe that they represent ordinary Australians. Again the earnest orthodoxies – the posh private school is full of bullies but the government school is all caring sharers, the child care person is doing her MA, that sort of thing!!

  9. David

    Stephen Bloody Fry. Blackadder and Kingdom – after that downhill.

    Saw him interviewed [by accident - the seeing] by some Brit or other. What a complete wanker. Have avoided anything he is in since.

  10. rickw

    Grand Designs generally isn’t bad, except for Kevin, and the home owners who are like Kevin.

  11. Best television available at the moment (in fact, the only thing worth watching on any channel) is Foyle’s War.
    Everything else, except perhaps the cricket, is a waste of time.

  12. craig

    ‘The angry boys’, stupid comedy relief but beats Harry highpants!

  13. lotocoti

    I rather enjoy Grand Designs and have no great aversion to Mr Fry other than his ubiquity somehow confers wisdom.
    Mind you, I doubt their ABC will find me watching his upcoming two part “I off to convince people who aren’t too keen on chaps lodging their todgers in other chaps’ bottoms that they’re wrong and beyond the pale.” crusade.
    Perhaps the Beeb will next have him walk through the Up Your Alley Fair and explain why it’s not the slightest bit appalling.

  14. pete m

    WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kevin’s show is awesomeness!

    Ignore his lefty greenism. He really does have good things to say about how buildings like homes should enhance your family, not force it one way or another. He likes to have digs at people but that is what makes for interesting TV. If he just said rabbited on about boring building or architectual details he would have no show.

    At least he put himself where his beliefs are and designed his own affordable housing estate and tried to be greeny – I admire someone who actually attempts to fulfill their beliefs, and not be a hypocrit about it.

    I like the early episodes too as they have more interesting and less expensive projects.

    Stephen Fry is ok on IQ but only because of his guests.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Kevin McCloud’s Grand Tour of Europe is magnificent. I quite like him although was rather surprised he liked Federation Square.

    It’s also far cheaper to have our ABC import BBC product than attempt their own abysmal failures.

  16. lotocoti

    Everything else, except perhaps the cricket, is a waste of time.

    The Bletchley Circle wasn’t too bad, The Hour and The Fall too.
    But I’m not a fan of the truncated series format.

  17. Nuke Gray

    I find QI very interesting, even the repeats. Though I think his homosexuality is a character flaw, we’re all allowed one, aren’t we?
    And there’s not much else on TV, except for ‘Would I lie to you?’. That is also worth watching.

  18. Token

    Stephen Bloody Fry. Blackadder and Kingdom – after that downhill.

    No. You need to include Absolute Power where his smarmy know everything attitude was perfect.

  19. .

    David
    #1152344, posted on January 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Stephen Bloody Fry. Blackadder and Kingdom – after that downhill.

    Saw him interviewed [by accident - the seeing] by some Brit or other. What a complete wanker. Have avoided anything he is in since.

    Even V for Vendetta?

  20. Mon

    So right about the ABC, but last evening ABC 24 had the interviews with Tanya and Verity.
    What a load of rubbish, two people sharing their friendship on the TV.
    Lets find a new Mark Scott, like Helen Coonan, thought Sophie would have been really excellent but she has a new job.

  21. Token

    Even V for Vendetta?

    He was perfectly cast in the Life & Death of Peter Sellers as a charlatan. Very believable.

  22. papachango

    Stephen Bloody Fry. Blackadder and Kingdom – after that downhill

    agree. Pompous old git.

    But Upper Middle Bogan? Puh-lease. That utter tosh effectively cancelled any higbrow superiority complex ABC had over the commercial tele for all their reality TV shite.

  23. H B Bear

    God – The Time of Our Lives was bloody awful. An ALPBC commissioned series on what it no doubt imagines its audience (and those few remaining Pravda-on-the-Yarra readers) look like.

    Yet another good reason to shut the place down.

  24. rebel with cause

    By the producer of The Wire

    I used to think The Wire did a good job of expressing how messed up incentives can get in a bureaucracy. Was stunned to find that its creator thinks that America would be in a better place if it had more bureaucratic wrangling and less freedom:

    Labour doesn’t get to win all its arguments, capital doesn’t get to. But it’s in the tension, it’s in the actual fight between the two, that capitalism actually becomes functional, that it becomes something that every stratum in society has a stake in, that they all share.

    The unions actually mattered. The unions were part of the equation. It didn’t matter that they won all the time, it didn’t matter that they lost all the time, it just mattered that they had to win some of the time and they had to put up a fight and they had to argue for the demand and the equation and for the idea that workers were not worth less, they were worth more.

    Ultimately we abandoned that and believed in the idea of trickle-down and the idea of the market economy and the market knows best, to the point where now libertarianism in my country is actually being taken seriously as an intelligent mode of political thought. It’s astonishing to me. But it is. People are saying I don’t need anything but my own ability to earn a profit. I’m not connected to society. I don’t care how the road got built, I don’t care where the firefighter comes from, I don’t care who educates the kids other than my kids.

  25. I’d rather watch Kevin McCloud and Stephen Fry then read you Judith. Sorry.

  26. I really enjoyed KMcC house design series, but with the sound off or the TV would be in danger of incoming missiles. Much better if they had it dubbed like a foreign movie with a voice over by that bloke who does the ad’s on SBS.

    I wholeheartedly agree with Numbers, Foyles War was great television set immediately after WW2.

    But I think it’s about to have the ‘BBC treatment’, a major character is now married to a newly elected Labour Party MP. Lots of mentions of the proposed ‘National Health System’.

    That WW2 was a battle against National Socialism, then Communism will be glossed over. And the policeman Foyle, now works for MI5, which will be portrayed as worse than them.

  27. Bruce

    Its another reason why the ABC could be dispensed with, saving a billion a year.

    They used to do decent docos, now they rarely have any (compared with SBS who seem to buy them all now). And when they have them they are full of sanctimonious crap that makes them unwatchable.

    Even kids stuff. I was flipping past the ABC a couple weeks ago just as the kids show Sleepover Club started. The writer: Marieke Hardy. Now what is a green lefty potty mouth like her writing for young girls show? No other writers religiously correct enough?

  28. Bruce.
    Free to air TV would improve markedly with the ALPBC and SBS demise, just needs a push.

    Now, a lot of yoof don’t watch TV at all, they’re on their PCs downloading the shows, so the channels with have to pick up their game or they’ll die.

    How anyone can bear the moronic tittering between hosts on ‘breakfast TV’ is beyond me.

  29. Toiling Mass

    My (admittedly not voluminously informed) impression of Stephen Fry is that he has a breadth of knowledge (or is able to create the impression with a script) which is commonly assumed to be an indicator of intelligence.

    I am not saying that he is stupid, just that his intelligence might not be all it is cracked up to be. I have never really heard of him saying anything particularly profound, but rather prettily said. A clever turn of phrase delivered with confidence (and perhaps a little condescension) is plenty to create the desired impression.

    However, as I say, I don’t think I have viewed as often as other commenters likely have and may be completely wrong on this.

  30. And Another Thing

    I was sort of thinking that just the other night. I saw a promo for McCloud’s house boat, or boathouse or whatever it was, on the beach, and knew it had been shown some days ago. Most of Fry’s and McCloud’s shows are repeats anyway.
    But what does this say about the increase in funding given to the ABC. Even Call the Midwife was being repeated. Not a bad show, but no need to see it twice. The ABC must be trying to restrict it’s audience to the green rump it represents.

  31. If they insist on having Stephen Fry, they should just play Blackadder Goes Forth.

  32. Toiling Mass

    And Another Thing,

    The ABC doesn’t call them repeats – they call it recycling.

    The Greens love it, and the ABC can trouser the rest as salaries.

  33. L. Grayden

    Bad enough there are truckloads of ex-pats who feel it is their duty to lecture us on our shortcomings but lately we’ve been subjected to planeloads of poms parading their platitudes.

  34. Anthony

    Yes, Kevin is a bit of a tosser but I find the show can be quite interesting, mainly because it’s basically about people solving problems. Stephen Fry was quite good in ‘Kingdom’, probably because he was acting a part and not just being himself, but on QI he is insufferable. I’m afraid hell for me would be being forced to watch repeats of ABC TV drama series with their 3rd rate scripts and 2nd rate acting – give me BBC TV anytime, cultural cringe be damned!

  35. egg_

    lotocoti
    #1152358, posted on January 15, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    +1
    And whatever Fry does in the bedroom is his business, just leave off with the indoctrination, thanks.

  36. blogstrop

    Sorry, The Library was appalling and too many ABC series have an even worse subtext than any of Kevin McCloud’s. I’ll avoid local ABC drama until after it’s reformed – but of course it can’t be.
    Grand Designs is not bad by comparison. Stephen Fry can be ok, but his live show at the Opera House revealed someone less nice.

  37. Des Deskperson

    Speaking of the execrable ‘Time of Our Lives’, do any cats agree that William McInnes is one of Australia’s least accomplished actors, so narrow that he makes even Bryan Brown look versatile.

    Yet he keeps getting ABC gigs and I can only assume that it’s because of his highly trumpeted personal ‘progressivness’.

  38. egg_

    The ABC must be trying to restrict it’s audience to the green rump it represents.

    The aging Doctors Wives/GetUp demographic on ABC1 methinks.
    The Moody thingy is OK but mainly for the eye candy (femme, at least).
    Suggestions for local schlock titles – A Very Earnest Greenie Xmas MkII?

  39. jack

    put all bbc content on a specific bbc channel broadcasting to australia-let us see exactly what australian taxpayers get for our one and a quarter billion a year abc without bbc filler spoonfeeding them.

  40. Geriatric Mayfly

    And Another Thing 5.34 Is there really a programme on ABC entitled ‘Call the Midwife?” Surely some mistake. Call the Abortionist, would be more like it.

  41. Kev

    Best television available at the moment (in fact, the only thing worth watching on any channel) is Foyle’s War.

    Hallelujah Numbers -we finally agree. I did notice however a Labour politician has bagged the girl, he’s all over National Health and MI5 didn’t look to flash.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    My (admittedly not voluminously informed) impression of Stephen Fry is that he has a breadth of knowledge (or is able to create the impression with a script) which is commonly assumed to be an indicator of intelligence.

    Fry seems smart in the same way Eddie McGuire appears to know all the answers on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

  43. WhaleHunt Fun

    QI has some quite amusing guests, and at times some very interesting demonstrations or artifacts. While Mr Fry does overindulge his sexuality, it is on balance watchable. I have no recollection of any Australian production being watchable save AD-BC with Mr Pang. I am clearly in the minority as the show was not renewed. ABC sludge like the Librarians suffers from an inability to accept the camel herding culture for what it is, so offers nothing of value to anyone unenamored of self-delusional pap that treats primitives as sentient.

  44. John

    Since moving into rental property which had only Foxtel available (which is too expensive in my opinion) we came to appreciate the absence of TV in our lives. We are spending more time with each other.

    And why do you need television at all nowadays? There is this thing called Internet. You can actually pick what and when you want to watch.

  45. Dan

    Kevin McCloud often features kit homes and has inspired us to perhaps try building one. If by green you mean some of the homes (particularly the kit homes originating in Germany) are extremely well insulated and sealed -for example- there is lots of Greenism in the show…

  46. Dan

    I dont watch much but saw 20 minutes of Rake and it looked interesting, the episode was about a Muslim suicide bomber. The rest of the show was quite amusing.

  47. eb

    The BBC has admitted placing greenie propaganda into Grand Designs. All the greenism may not be entirely due to Kevin.

    The wife and I both quite enjoy QI, but, as mentioned above, mostly for Alan Davies and the other guests.

  48. Baldrick

    Give me repeats of Blackadder and Time Team anytime.

  49. ar

    Ken N,

    Try Treme – I don’t think it has been on air here,

    Final series just finished on Foxtel. Very good. A lot of Bush bashing and Obama love, but that reflected the time it was set. Republicans in the show were stereotypical money men, but at least they got things done. Tenacious lefty lawyer was tolerable cos she was after real injustice… Good music, good characters.

  50. Stephen Fry was awful in the latest Hobbit movie.

    Mind you, the latest Hobbit movie wasn’t much chop either.

  51. calli

    Stephen Fry was awful in the latest Hobbit movie.

    Heheh. I thought he was well vast as a corrupt, high taxing and vain politician! :)

  52. calli

    Well cast….but he is a bit broad in the beam as well.

  53. David

    Bloody hell numbers I find myself agreeing with you on Foyles War.

    Though I am of the opinion that the shows set during WW2 are better.

  54. blogstrop

    Foyle’s war was set in WW2.

  55. blogstrop

    Eventually it jumped the shark with the cute driver being tied to a booby trap somewhere …

  56. caveman

    Don’t mind Grand Designs I normally switch off when I listening to those that want to reduce their carbon footprint cause they full of shit. And Qi is good for a laugh when they get the good guests on.

    I just saw a promo on ABC that Mr Fry has a show coming soon about homophobes , they’re those people that have sex at home.

  57. Tintarella di Luna

    William McInnes is one of Australia’s least accomplished actors, so narrow that he makes even Bryan Brown look versatile.

    William McInnes has the acting ability of a turnip with a script and his writing is worse.

  58. lem

    Philippa. you are so right, Fry was useless, and The Hobbit was dreadful.

  59. egg_

    William McInnes is one of Australia’s least accomplished actors, so narrow that he makes even Bryan Brown look versatile.

    Seems to rival even Burnside for self-absorption.

  60. Helen

    ‘Call the Midwife?

    Is based in the early 50″s in the dockland area of London, just before it became Londonistan. There was a religious order that provided midwife services to the whole district from ante natal to post birth, and who called in the Dr if hospital was needed. it is based on the true recollections of Jennifer Worth, a midwife of the time, and is a fascinating insight to the way people lived and worked and the conditions they lived in, in that part of the world, at that time. The book on which the series is based is wonderful., if graphic.

    There are also more recent book by the author reflecting on the same period.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Kevin McLoud is an A-Grade tool.
    I don’t mind Fry but he is more exposed than a King St pole dancer’s tits on Grand Final night.
    By the way, can anyone advise …. is Stephen gay perchance? (There are subtle signs).

  62. MACK1

    How boring would it be if we all had the same taste?
    My peeve is 7.30, which they have turned into an animated version of the Womens Weekly – battery hens, sad medical stories and interviews with disaster victims. Unwatchable.

  63. Leigh Lowe

    I must say that the series “Absolute Power” featuring Fry was very good.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    William McInnes is one of Australia’s least accomplished actors, so narrow that he makes even Bryan Brown look versatile.

    When he was on Play School he made Big Ted look like an overly expressive pantomime actor.
    I have seen Cigar Store Indians with a broader range.

  65. David

    Blogstrop you are absolutely correct. I intended to say the ones set early in the war were, in my unsophisticated opinion, better. I shall go stand in the naughty corner.

    I was given a DVD set of a series called UXB with a young Anthony Andrews and set around bomb clearance. Saw it when it first came out [late '70's?] and it would put a lot of what is on the ABC “wireless with pictures” now to shame.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Foyle’s war was set in WW2

    The new series, series 8, is set in 1946, and, thanks be to God, there is a ninth series in the making.

  67. dan

    Re Call the Midwife, I actually have a colleague who worked in one of these flying squads and her stories were fantastic. The neighbourhood was unbelievably rough but the obstetric team were respected like saints.

  68. boy on a bike

    Patton was on last night.

    I loved the bit where he defeats Vercingetorix at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest.

  69. boy on a bike

    The youngsters were sat down this week with a DVD of the Goodies.

    They loved it. The ABC would do well to drag some ecky thump out of the archives.

  70. I loved the bit where he defeats Vercingetorix at the battle of the Teutoburg Forest.

    Don’t laugh. He told Caesar he wanted to push all the way through to John O’Groats, but Caesar – under the influence of communist infiltrators – told him to stop right there.

  71. calli

    BOAB, you just want to enjoy the trandem again!

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Patton was on last night

    Sorry, re – reading Carlo D’Este’s biography does nothing to alter my long held opinion that George Smith Patton Jr. was as mad as a box of frogs.

  73. hzhousewife

    I believe Stephen Fry is both homosexual and manic-depressive. He made a documentary about his manic depression.

  74. brc

    The BBC has admitted placing greenie propaganda into Grand Designs. All the greenism may not be entirely due to Kevin.

    The wife and I both quite enjoy QI, but, as mentioned above, mostly for Alan Davies and the other guests.

    Grand designs is not produced by the BBC, it is a channel 4 program. While Kevin Himsef has contracted late onset leftism, the properties in the show have swung away from Eco-madness as it is a commercial program and relies on advertising.

    I enjoy the show, Kevin is ultimately a harmless sort of pop lefty. And besides, thee was the priceless episode where a committed lefty spent all his budget on a windmill, fighting the town, losing friends but ultimately getting approval to ignore all the planning laws and erect his monstrosity. Only to find it produced essentially zero power but was noisy. His daughters had tiny rooms with bare brick walls but the grand 30k folly was out front, declaring his mental illness for the whole town to see. Eventually it piped up on eBay and was sold for scrap metal. The company which produced it went bankrupt after producing exactly 1 windmill.

    There was the other family who decided to go all green and agreed to pour a limecrete slab instead of concrete, to save carbon. All very well, but the slab took three months to set properly, so their biggest was eaten up. The greenie architect was sacked, the Eco house binned and a conventional place built instead.

    Like I said. It’s a great show!

    Oh, and I want one of those German kit homes. They are the biz.

  75. C.L.

    The worst thing about Stephen Fry is that somebody decided he could act.

    I don’t know the name of that show he’s on – I channel-flip away from it – but he is embarrassingly awful and talentless.

  76. hzhousewife

    Grand designs is not produced by the BBC, it is a channel 4 program. While Kevin Himsef has contracted late onset leftism

    Surely Kevin himself realised he HAD to go greeny-lefty to even get a show on the telly.

  77. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I’m afraid hell for me would be being forced to watch repeats of ABC TV drama series with their 3rd rate scripts and 2nd rate acting –

    Me too. All of the local ABC shows Judith nominated were truly dreadful. Inner-urban green left visions of how the other 98% live. Completely wrong, and totally talentless. Full of leftist sentiment and forced situations with completely unbelievable characterisations. Rake is the nearest the ABC have got to competent drama, although it is full-on leftism in the characterisation. At least it is about inner-urban luvvies, and a bit perceptive about aspects of their lives, with a little irony and jest. Other non-ABC Oz drama, especially the Packer family sagas, has been OK. Watchable. I don’t watch much TV. I resent paying for ABC crapola.

    I read the “Call the Midwife” book, which was given to me by a girlfriend in the UK. It was very moving. The BBC drama is also good, if a little chocolate-box at times.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Like Numbers and others, I am a big fan however of Mr. Foyle and Samantha, his driver.

  79. Empire Strikes Back

    We reap what we sow Judith. If you lack the self discipline to stay off the ALPBC, you ought to accept the consequences gracefully.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Oh, and I loved Kevni in the early Grand Designs, when people spent up big to produce some truly wonderful houses. My favourite was the one built out over a lake in Scotland, with a goldfish tank in the middle, and lots of gleamingness and glitter on the glass staircase: outside a dour Scottish wintry scene. A lovely contrast. It used to be on at 6pm and I took my wine glass to it with instructions to all to leave me alone.

    They were good. After that, the green-leftism set in and his shows were generally deplorable; hessian-bag homes for the masses, with rope-knitted curtains and disastrous plumbing. Who is he kidding?

  81. Andrew

    Who watches Summer-time ABC?

    Who watches the ABC is a better question. I only do for occasional political content which I could do without.

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Stephen Fry. Half-smart, half-arse. Too many ‘arse’ comments by far in his shows; just the shot for gay-friendliness, and OK occasionally, but OTT for a regular show time. QI can be a hoot at times with the right combo of comedians though. Other times, it’s tedious and very predictable.

    Agree with CL. Fry can’t act. Plus ‘Kingdom’ was poorly scripted and far too ‘boys own’ of a particular sort in its sub-text. That young teenage boy hanging around – where was his mum and dad? Maybe I missed something there, I will admit. I only watched two episodes, far apart in time.

    Foxtel – some of our places have it, some don’t. Very patchy anyway.

  83. Pyrmonter

    May be the last chance to say this for the year … Number is right. Foyle is sound; and sadly up against SBS’s none too bad Generation War

  84. brc

    Early grand designs Kevin drove a TVR. That deteriorated to land rovers and now he is in a detestable diesel Peugeot ute. But neither Kevin or Steven are true believers – both are wealthy and seem aware of their champagne socialist status – no hair shirts apply.

    Kevin’s other series where he put his own money on the line and dealt with the state to build new homes severely tested his leftism. The end result was an ok first go, and markedly better than the truly awful accommodation most British people are subjected to. I respect him for that. Similarly for Dru, the series he did on the USA was genuine and free of the condescending tone it could hdve easily developed.

    The only shows on the ABC I ever watch are ones with British hosts.

  85. I was given a DVD set of a series called UXB with a young Anthony Andrews and set around bomb clearance. Saw it when it first came out [late '70's?] and it would put a lot of what is on the ABC “wireless with pictures” now to shame.

    UXB is brilliant! One of my favourite series of all time.

  86. Pete of Perth

    Enjoyed Swift & Shift Couriers.

  87. JLC

    I love old BBC comedies that I watched with my family when I was a child. Dad’s Army, Are You Being Served, The Good Life, Butterflies, It Ain’t Half Hot Mum…

    I have them on DVDs and watch them again and again. The lack of political correctness is refreshing.

  88. Rob

    When he was on Play School he made Big Ted look like an overly expressive pantomime actor.
    I have seen Cigar Store Indians with a broader range.

    ROTFLMAO, at least I was – until I started to reflect on how much public money and subsidies must have gone in to his career. It’s time to tell him he can’t act, and the taxpayers won’t be paying anymore.

  89. Robbo

    I don’t agree. I rather like Stephen Fry but perhaps that is because I totally agree with him about rising inflexions. It irritates the hell out of me. Other than that I usually find him amusing. Kevin McLoud presents a fascinating series on house design which has spun off into a really good series in Australia and we should be grateful to him for exploring what a lot of very brave and innovative people have done when building. I don’t care if I am in a minority, or for that matter a majority, because I enjoy these programmes and I hope they continue to be shown. By the way I watch them on Foxtel.

  90. Pickles

    Just turn it off and go outside Judith. Or go down town and yell at the bronze Burke & Wills. That will make you feel better, dear.

    In good news I see that there is a new series of the The Moodys. I hope they managed to fish grandma out of the pool on Xmas day. Otherwise she’d be a bit puffy by now and the pool pH will be right out of wack. And don’t get me started on Cora. Yum yum.

  91. Blinky Bill

    Don’t forget the other ABC repeat of repeats of repeats, Midsomer Murders. This show seems to be a permanent fixture on the tv schedule, sometimes more than once a week and guranteed at least one showing during prime viewing time. What is the ABC doing with the money it isn’t spending on quality television?

  92. ChrisPer

    Here’s a turn-up for the books – Numbers is right, Judith is fooled by ABC produced twaddle and consensus is achieved over Stephen Fry – he does a mixed hagbag.

  93. ChrisPer

    As as for Foyle’s totty – I would watch the ABC to see her.

  94. jupes

    Stephen Fry.

    Hilarious in Blackadder. All downhill since then.

  95. Des Deskperson

    ‘ It’s time to tell him he can’t act, and the taxpayers won’t be paying anymore.’

    In the first season of SBS’s East West 101, McInnes played a racist cop who was required by the script to make a rude remark about the Lebanese. One reviewer – I think it was the blondie from the SMH’s Spectrum – pointed out that it was something William Mcinnes himself would never say.

    I remember thinking WTF? Who cares what he thinks, he’s not the Dahli Lama, he’s an incompetent actor whose main, err, achievement was playing the character – a walking cliche of a sad eyed, soulful ex foreign correspondent – who single-handedly turned ‘Sea Change’ from something fresh and original into standard ABC stodge. Only Stalinists judge art in terms of the politics of the artist!

  96. jupes

    Sorry, re – reading Carlo D’Este’s biography does nothing to alter my long held opinion that George Smith Patton Jr. was as mad as a box of frogs.

    Possibly, but he knew what it took to win battles and wars – hint: killing as many of the enemy as possible.

    Todays generals seem to have other priorities.

  97. cuckoo

    Groan. Stephen Fry. Various people claim to have coined the aphorism directed at him that he is “a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person is like”.
    Maybe you saw the show about the City of London on ABC some weeks ago. Even though it was fronted by Fry, it still managed to be quite interesting. Throughout, Fry kept thundering about those evil bankers who had caused the GFC, etc. and the show built up to an odd climax where he had a meeting with Lord Levene, former Chairman of Lloyd’s. Obviously the intention was that Fry would use his stupendous intellect to utterly devastate Levene. But in the very short extract which finally aired (that brevity is significant in itself) it was clear that dealing with Fry cost Levene about as much intellectual effort as waving away a housefly.
    An enjoyable account of someone else who found that Fry is not as clever as he thinks he is can be read here.

  98. james

    Cannot take Fry seriously since I saw him in V for Vendetta.

    The idea that a gay man under a repressive Christian regime that locks up homosexuals for medical experimentation would keep a Koran in his secret subversive hidey hole because of the “poetry” of its verses was Fucking absurd.

    I assume he skipped over the poetic verses calling for homosexuals to have walls dropped on them.

    Fry even tracked down an obscure Jewish relative on HDYTYA so that he could have some direct to camera emoting about the holocaust.

    The man embodies almost every negative stereotype about upper class British homosexuals.

  99. Pat Warnock

    Is Mr Fry colour blind? His ensemble on QI is getting more and more puzzling as nothing seems to match.

  100. Rabz

    The man embodies almost every negative stereotype about upper class British homosexuals.

    And he’s too stupid to even realise it.

  101. cuckoo

    I watch QI for the panellists, as Fry himself never says or does anything remotely amusing. But that doesn’t stop the studio audience howling like hyenas at leaden gay innuendoes (yes, yes, I know), which Dick Emery or Danny La Rue would have disdained. And Fry often brings proceedings to a grinding halt when he launches into one of his diatribes against things he disapproves of, such as Americans, American Republicans, American gunowners, anyone who believes in God, anyone who doesn’t ‘believe’ in evolution as an article of religious faith, Sarah Palin, Eurosceptics, Global warming sceptics, etc.

  102. Fibro

    They fit the ALPBC mould perfectly. Green and Gay.

  103. cuckoo

    When Borgen started, I assumed it was going to be a lib-dem-leftist wet dream (a sort of Euro-West Wing). Its basic mindset is centre-left, indeed, but it’s surprisingly grownup in its treatment of the various goodies and baddies. For example there was an episode in which the token Green in the coalition government was found to be (like Jon Faine) a lover and owner of gas-guzzling muscle cars. In the early episodes he was treated as something of an idiot stepchild, whom the others were forced to deal with in order to stay in power (sound familiar?) but in more recent episodes, he has come into his own.

    Or the leader of the ‘far right’ party. You know they’re far right because they don’t believe in unrestricted immigration and they have the word ‘Freedom’ in the name of their party – a sure sign of dangerous far-right extremism. Yet the leader of this party has several scenes where he comes across as a thoughtful, canny individual, capable of fatherly warmth towards the less-experienced female PM who is the heroine.

    Can you imagine if the ABC made a series like this? The token Liberal party member would be a secret cross-dresser. Oh wait, they already did that.

  104. .

    Or the leader of the ‘far right’ party. You know they’re far right because they don’t believe in unrestricted immigration and they have the word ‘Freedom’ in the name of their party – a sure sign of dangerous far-right extremism. Yet the leader of this party has several scenes where he comes across as a thoughtful, canny individual, capable of fatherly warmth towards the less-experienced female PM who is the heroine.

    I guess this pap is a hat tip to the poor governance and nonsensical policy of Gillard?

  105. TBear

    In my neck of the woods, it is only possible to receive the ABC signal by pointing the antenna in a direction which excludes the signal from all other free to air carriers. About a year ago, and after a month of adjusting the antenna to tune to ABC, I gave up.

    I have now had no ABC television for more than 12 months.

    And, guess what?

    I do not miss it, at all. I am happier. I have also lost weight – though the causal link to this is, admittedly, not obviously strong.

    I have no present intention of ever bothering with the ABC again. Completely over, the Bear is.

  106. Notafan

    Stephen Fry lost me when he HAD to mention his favourite ap on Top Gear


    so much for gay marriage

  107. dragnet

    I quite like Stephen Fry. My interpretation of his schtick (so to speak) is that there is a bit of self-parody going on and he plays up being a know-it-all wanker. At least he knows what he is.

  108. Jazza

    I don’t watch Stephen Fry,except the odd rerun of Kingdom
    I do watch McCloud, but I tape him and turn off the sound after the first section tells me who is going to build what and where. Didn’t used to but he’s gone barking Green mad the past few years ans is totally annoying.
    I then enjoy watching(often it’s destruction followed by) construction of a dwelling and its surrounds. I relax by watching lots of olde English shows like this and Escape to the Country, but often the sound interferes,as I like to shout to my TV my opinion of matters arising as we go!
    Mostly I watch alone but if one of my grandies is staying I go light on my “commentaries”,but we both enjoy a laugh at these types of shows and the matchmaking realities, they are SO far from reality it is one big pun most half hours!

  109. David

    I am a big fan however of Mr. Foyle and Samantha, his driver

    Well spotted Lizzie. I’m in love with Samantha

    :-)

  110. .

    I think Dragnet might be on the money here. He really ripped himself in his Fry in America show, although it was sometimes subtle. He had utmost respect for the Americans, and often genuine wonderment to their characteristics.

  111. srr

    In defence of Stephen Fry, ain’t none of us sinless and at least in his autobiography he explained why he was open to the possibility that his screwed up childhood experiences turned him gay (maybe instead of killing him, The Gay Taliban cursed him to act the right twat so he would die old, alone a d hated – I’m almost joking, or not), and then there is this rant of his, Against Political Correctness:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=M6u2RqpalNg&a=&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM6u2RqpalNg%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26a%3D

  112. james x leftie

    Torrents work very well for me. Haven’t watched “TV” or rented/bought a DVD or BD in 8 years.

    Why? Outdated copyright laws and a desire to starve the (hollywood) beast.

  113. Squirrel

    Belatedly, on this entertaining thread – Fry and McCloud seem to be symptoms of the ABC increasingly resembling a branch office of the BBC – perhaps the SMBBC (Sydney-Melbourne-BBC) – and both gentlemen, and the world views they reflect, are suffering from over-exposure on our screens. It will be interesting to see, in time, if the commercial stations embrace Fry and/or McCloud with the same enthusiasm that they have shown for some other imported programs formerly shown on the ABC.

    In the meantime, aside from the politically courageous option of closing the place down, or the more limited option of introducing commercial advertising – which could actually be a welcome relief from the endless, and often annoying promos for ABC programs and merchandise – perhaps the federal Government could look at taking at least some of the funding for entertainment (as opposed to “news” and “current affairs”) out of the ABC budget and have it managed by a completely separate (from the ABC), independent commissioning body. Something similar could be done for documentaries and docu-dramas. Apart from anything else, this should address concerns by some that locally produced drama and entertainment is suffering in order to cross-subsidise other ABC activities.

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