You just shuddup your face

Joe Dolce has an interesting post over at Quadrant:

I have just been advised in writing by Peter Minter, the poetry editor of Overland magazine, that as of 2014 he will not be publishing ANY poets who publish in Quadrant and that he doesn’t ‘wish to have any association with the authors of a journal edited by Keith Windschuttle.’ His ‘New Year’s Resolution’ apparently.

Okay – so there is freedom of association. But …

Why do Australian tax dollars continue to fund such a narrow-minded agenda that punishes fine Australian and international poets for being recognized, and spotlighted, by one of the world’s most esteemed and celebrated poets, not to mention an Australian Living National Treasure, Les Murray, the poetry editor of Quadrant? This is a great honor, not something to be chastised or ashamed of. (Doubly disgraceful, too, as Minter is a poet who has himself been published in an anthology edited by none other than Mr Murray. I didn’t hear him objecting with all this waffle then. Warning: shout this man a beer in the pub at your peril!)

If the Overland editors have a problem with Keith Windschuttle, debate him – or challenge him to a duel, or something ? Don’t take it out on the magazine’s poetry editor who has more insight about what constitutes real poetry and has been more celebrated for it than any other Australian poet in history. And don’t take it out on the rest of us struggling writers who need to have our work presented to the Australian public, in every poetic forum possible, free of political grandstanding.

I have no problem with the editors on Overland deciding not to publish good Australian literature for political purposes – what I do have a problem with is the taxpayer financing those private choices. The solution, however, is not to defund Overland but rather the abolish the grants system that is so obviously biased.

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55 Responses to You just shuddup your face

  1. Habib

    Get rid of ‘em all, I can’t think of a single grant recipient of any worth whatsoever.

  2. Infidel Tiger

    Is Overland a 4WDing magazine? Must be an interesting poetry section they have.

  3. disillusioned

    What happened to the idea that to really understand the arts the artist must suffer for his cause and not achieve recognition until death? That would solve the art grants quandary completely.

  4. entropy

    I believe I recall that one of the valuable proposals from the 20/20 forum was that Australian artists should be paid a wage by the government. Obviously too much even for the Ruddster, or would that be giving him too much credit?
    But yeah, delete the Arts Council or whatever that sinecure for lefty has beens is called.

  5. nerblnob

    Australian artists should be paid a wage by the government

    Aren’t they already? The dole?

  6. Crossie

    Australian artists should be paid a wage by the government

    Aren’t they already? The dole?

    That may have been a bid for a pay rise though I don’t know how you would push for productivity increases from people who don’t work.

  7. DaveA

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    We blackbanned the poet
    So this is the best we can do

  8. squawkbox

    Scratch a leftist, find a fascist.

    No scrub that. These days look a a leftist through the wrong end of the Hubble telescope and you can still find a fascist. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.

  9. Baldrick

    Peter Minter was born at Newcastle, New South Wales, in 1967; his family has English, Scottish, and Aboriginal ancestry.

    Would that be an actual ancestral connection or the ‘gift-card’ type?

  10. Blogstrop

    He’s diminished himself, that Minuter.

  11. Noddy

    Tell Minter he is dreaming.
    I LIKE Keith Windschuttle!

  12. Tom

    So we have only his word that he “was born in Newcastle into a family of coal miners, sailors and fishermen, descendant of a mix of English, Scottish and Aboriginal heritage”, the last qualifier of which has enabled him to build a lucrative career as a “Koori” academic. And we’re not meant to be suspicious of the fact that he is an associate of another “Aboriginal” identity specialist, Anita Hess, who was so defensive about her use of her “Aboriginality” that she wrote a book about it (“Am I Black Enough For Y0u?”). And he happens to be a radical leftwinger who works for the radical leftwing journal Overland. And he wants to punish anyone who has anything to do with the man who exploded one of the Aboriginal industry’s central victimhood myths, the “stolen generation”, which has also been the foundation for a number of (so far unsuccessful) legal money-grabs.

    Sorry, sport. You’ve been sprung.

  13. Johno

    There are no justifications for industry assistance and that includes the arts industry. If someone wants to spend their time doing art, then they have to make it pay. If they can’t get people to willingly hand over their money to support art, it is fundamental immoral to get governments to force them to do so.

    Scrap all arts funding.

  14. MT Isa Miner

    Tom

    #1156203, posted on January 18, 2014 at 7:16 am

    So we have only his word that he “was born in Newcastle into a family of coal miners, sailors and fishermen, descendant of a mix of English, Scottish and Aboriginal heritage”, the last qualifier of which has enabled him to build a lucrative career as a “Koori” academic. And we’re not meant to be suspicious of the fact that he is an associate of another “Aboriginal” identity specialist, Anita Hess, who was so defensive about her use of her “Aboriginality” that she wrote a book about it (“Am I Black Enough For Y0u?”). And he happens to be a radical leftwinger who works for the radical leftwing journal Overland. And he wants to punish anyone who has anything to do with the man who exploded one of the Aboriginal industry’s central victimhood myths, the “stolen generation”, which has also been the foundation for a number of (so far unsuccessful) legal money-grabs.

    Sorry, sport. You’ve been sprung.

    Good one, Tom. Sprung!

    JMJoseph there are a lot of very pale skinned blue eyed Aboriginal tax payer funded/ grants recipients about. The Jetstar magazine did a story on another one. Good thing nobodies profiling anybody these days.

  15. Sirocco

    There are no justifications for industry assistance and that includes the arts industry. If someone wants to spend their time doing art, then they have to make it pay. If they can’t get people to willingly hand over their money to support art, it is fundamental immoral to get governments to force them to do so.

    Scrap all arts funding

    +1000

  16. ACTOldFart

    Surely this is the first substantial case for the new Human Rights Commissioner, Tim Wilson? If ever I’ve seen an instance of suppression and stifling of freedom of expression, this is it.

    Get on to it, Tim! And don’t bother clearing anything you say publicly, with the luvvies at the Commission. It might be a great way of asserting your place in the Commission, and changing its agenda.

  17. Dolce makes a good point. Though also it should be pointed out that Quadrant gets a small government grant too – I think for its poetry/literature content (though I could be wrong on that and stand to be corrected).

  18. lotocoti

    I believe I recall that one of the valuable proposals …

    It was worse than that, it was Labor’s New directions for the Arts from 2007, handily dealt with by Peter Costello in one memorable question time.

    It says that Labor ‘will review the current state of artists’ incomes and introduce initiatives that enable artists currently on welfare greater opportunity to produce work’. I will repeat that: artists who are on welfare need greater opportunity to produce work. You might say to yourself, ‘If you’re on welfare, you would have a lot of time to produce work if you were an artist.’

  19. dan

    Dolce makes a good point. Though also it should be pointed out that Quadrant gets a small government grant too – I think for its poetry/literature content (though I could be wrong on that and stand to be corrected).

    It was massively reduced under the previous government, and subscribers/donors made up the difference. You could argue they should forgo it entirely but the counterargument is that we pay taxes too and doing this means the funds will be shunted straight to Overland and its ilk.

  20. blogstrop

    Quadrant’s grant is not critical to its survival, unlike some lefty arts-wannabee projects. Let’s help keep it that way by all renewing our subscriptions to Quadrant.

  21. blogstrop

    Overland, underhand.

  22. areff

    TimT: Yes, Quadrant scored $20K in the most recent OzCouncil handouts from — but that sum is administered and apportioned by Les Murray, our poetry and fiction editor. No one else who writes for Quadrant is paid.

    Interesting to note: Between 2009 and 2013, Overland received a total of $399,000 in federal grants.

    Quadrant collected $120K during the same period, with the annual sum declining from $35K to the current $20K.

    As for Minter, he has done rather nicely. Look at the swag of grants he has pocketed: http://sydney.edu.au/koori/staff/pminter.shtml

    Competitive grants, awards, prizes

    2011-12: Chief Investigator ARC LIEF Project LE120100106 “AustLit Phase Five: Humanities in the digital age: infrastructure for Australian literary studies, publishing studies, and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander studies”. [Decision pending].

    2011: University of Sydney, DVC Research, projected $15,000 toward ARC LIEF Project LE120100106. [Decision pending].

    2010: Chief Investigator ARC LIEF Project LE110100198 “AustLit Phase Four: Digital Humanities practice in Australian Literary Studies: data development, structural enhancement and open access innovation.” [$600,000].

    2008: “Deadly” Award for an Outstanding Contribution to Aboriginal Literature for the Macquarie Pen Anthology of Aboriginal Literature, with co-editor Dr. Anita Heiss.

    2008: University of Sydney, International Program Development Fund: for Espejo De Tierra: Earth Mirror, an anthology of Chilean Mapuche and Australian Aboriginal poetry and art, with the Chilean Embassy, Australia, $2,500 as editor.

    2008: ARC Linkage: “AustLit: The Australian Literature Resource” consortium, $650,000 as Chief Investigator.

    2007: ARC Linkage “AustLit: The Australian Literature Resource” consortium, $500,000 as Chief Investigator.

    2007: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Arts Board, Australia Council for the Arts: for the Macquarie Pen Anthology of Aboriginal Literature, $65,000 as editor.

    2007-2009: ARC Linkage: Macquarie University and Allen & Unwin, for the Macquarie Pen Anthology of Australian Literature, $250,000 as editor.

    2007-2008: Literature Board, Australia Council for the Arts: New Work Fellowship, $60,000.

    2004-2007: Australian Postgraduate Award, PhD, Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences, University of Technology, Sydney.

    2003: Literature Board, Australia Council for the Arts: Presentation and Promotion Grant for the Sydney Poetry Network (as co-director).

    2002: Literature Board, Australia Council for the Arts: Developing Writer’s New Work Grant, $25,000.

    2002: Literature Board, Australia Council for the Arts: Presentation and Promotion Grant for the Sydney Poetry Network (as co-director).

    2001: Literature Board, Australia Council for the Arts: Developing Writer’s New Work Grant.

    2000: The Age Poetry Book of the Year, awarded to Empty Texas.

    1999: Marten Bequest Travelling Scholarship, Poetry, $18,000.

    1997: Australia Council for the Arts, Foundation Grant for Cordite Poetry and Poetics Review, $25,000.

    1997: NSW Ministry for the Arts, Cordite Poetry and Poetics Review Production Grant.

    1996: NSW Premier’s Kenneth Slessor Prize for Poetry shortlist, Rhythm in a Dorsal Fin.

  23. dan

    Is Joe Dolce Jewish?

    Is Benjamin Netanyahu Italian?
    What’s your point?

  24. JC

    It was massively reduced under the previous government, and subscribers/donors made up the difference. You could argue they should forgo it entirely but the counterargument is that we pay taxes too and doing this means the funds will be shunted straight to Overland and its ilk.

    From what I recall Liars stopped funding Quadrant.

  25. Tom

    areff
    #1156277, posted on January 18, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Ah yes, perhaps the single most important factor in Minter’s stunning financial success is that he is “an ARC Chief Investigator on the “AustLit: The Australian Literature Resource” consortium”.

    I forgot to mention that in my earlier profile.

  26. blogstrop

    Has anyone got a link to the later version of Joe’s song, from a few years ago? I’m trying to backtrack to see what political stance he took with the revised lyrics.

  27. Rabz

    I do have a problem with is the taxpayer financing those private choices

    Can you imagine the boring humourless dullards who’d read the stupid rag in the first place?

    Defund it.

    Now.

  28. Empire Strikes Back

    dan
    #1156279, posted on January 18, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I think Humphrey was alluding to the fact that the leftists are always looking for a Jew baiting opportunity Dan. i

  29. YYY guy

    That Minter chap… _____ (insert colour of your choice) as the ace of spades. I wonder if he mistook the coal-mining heritage for aboriginality?

  30. thefrollickingmole

    Nice find Tom..

    Toyota dreaming all over again.

    What role does Indigenous poetry / literature play in Australian society today?
    Indigenous literature in all its forms is a resounding answer-back to the machineries of European invasion and colonisation. It records the memory of people and events that European authority attempted to silence, and in doing so it signifies the survival of Indigenous ways of being and thinking. It also expresses the experiences, hopes and aspirations of contemporary Indigenous peoples who live in the wake of a terrible history, but who are also at the prow of a great cultural resurgence. This Indigenous literary renewal is happening alongside some very deep and positive developments in settler Australian culture and literature, and when taken together they reveal very significant transformations going on in the Australian human condition.

    Another grievance tick..

  31. .

    I know an Aboriginal bloke who wants to be a writer and he wants to be like Pratchett, Robert Jordan or even Benioff & Weiss, but his idol is Ken Follett.

  32. danno

    Grants .. yet more welfare, emboldening the recipients to a greater sense of entitlement.

    It’s a curse, is this welfare. It poisons those who receive it apparently.

  33. .

    If Peter Minter is Aboriginal then I’m Windradyne.

    All of these white Aboriginal academics are taking the piss, living a fantasy off the public purse.

    We may as well pay nerdy kids to play Dungeons & Dragons or Warhammer.

  34. .

    The worst thing is I’ve seen what economics and science professors do for ARC grants.

    Actual work.

  35. .

    Over recent years John has co-authored two units of study in the Gamilaraay language of northwest NSW for delivery in the University’s Bachelor of Arts program.

    FFS

    I’ll give you a tip. The Kamilaroi are fucked. Socially, culturally and economically.

    What they need is equal treatment and the end of this entitlement bullshit and rewarding young males for violent behaviour.

  36. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #1155935, posted on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 pm
    Is Overland a 4WDing magazine? Must be an interesting poetry section they have.

    OVERLAND magazine : Adventure Motorcycle Travel
    overlandmag.com/‎
    OVERLAND is the magazine for anyone who travels, or dreams of travelling by motorcycle.

    Overlander 4WD – Australia’s leading off road vehicle magazine

    Overlander 4WD Magazine

    Overland Journal

  37. stackja

    Pale face reminds me of:

    Michael Mansell (born June 5, 1951 in northern Tasmania) is an Australian lawyer and activist of partial Aboriginal descent

  38. sabrina

    Dot – I see you raising the ARC grant issue. I have been folllowing every year’s outcome (announced around November) for twenty-odd years, particularly the ones in engineering. In many cases, there is no tangible and usable output after 3 or 5 years, except for few projects. I can somewhat understand the discovery projects not resulting in usable outcome after 3/4 years, but the Linkage projects (with industry involvement) should. However, except lots of journal publications (with little prospects of practical application), nothing much of substance results. One reason, I think, is that the ARC is full of College of Experts who have not practiced their art beyond publications, and are not in a position to query the outcome. Most (not all) of them are chosen/elected based on their journal publications/citations/H-index/editorial board of professional society membership.
    On the main subject of this thread – the action by the Overland editor is mean-minded to say the least. It is sad to see that the so-called educated members of our society resort to this sort of tactics, and using other peoples money. It is wrong.

  39. Anthony

    “If the Overland editors have a problem with Keith Windschuttle, debate him – or challenge him to a duel, or something ? Don’t take it out on the magazine’s poetry editor who has more insight about what constitutes real poetry”
    Ah Joe, it’s the collective mentality of the Left, don’t you know?

    “Earth Mirror, an anthology of Chilean Mapuche and Australian Aboriginal poetry and art, with the Chilean Embassy, Australia, $2,500 as editor.”
    WTF? I’ve no problem if arts academics want to engage in this sort of project but why do I, the proverbial taxpayer, have to subsidise it? They’re already paid handsome salaries – if they think a literary project’s worth it let them take the risk or find their own backers.

  40. Oh please. I’ve already told yez all about it.

    And in QUADRANT, too! But now of course, I’ve been banned from Overland.

    Oh boy, there goes my dream of being the next big thing in Australian letters.

  41. .

    As to what sabrina said – the Journal of Financial Economics is hugely successful and started because no one thought Jensen’s stuff was “worthy”.

    The metrics young researchers are taught to target are erronous and misguided. They are great if you want a career, never to be noticed outside of your workplace and never want to contribute to society.

  42. Tom

    Philippa Martyr
    #1156684, posted on January 18, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Thanks, Dr Martyr — filed to the remembery.

  43. Leo G

    How could they shun the poet who so inspired “we are us”:-

    “Us all sore cement was we…. This gone-already feeling
    here in no place with our heads on upside down.”

    Prophetic perhaps.

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Overland? Well, they’ve lost me. I won’t publish me poetry with them.
    Their loss.
    Not Quadrant’s gain, of course, but I never said it was.
    Sinc should put up a poetry thread, and we could all have a go. :)

  45. Andrew

    Isn’t that a secondary boycott?

  46. Blogstrop

    How I love to have a Grolsch with Dolce,
    I love to have a beer with Joe.
    We talk and talk in rhyming verse,
    And we never say each other’s lyric stunk.
    We drink at the Orb & Quadrant,
    Where the atmosphere is great;
    I love to have a Grolsch with Dolce,
    Cause Dolce’s a mate!

    There you go Lizzie, with apologies to the dear departed Slim Dusty.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Rhyming verse? It could be worse.
    Perhaps Post-Modern? A path well-trodden
    by Overland’s lefties and other false hefties.
    Stay with me Bloggie, don’t turn all soggy;
    Doggerel’s amusing for leftie abusing.

  48. blogstrop

    Thanks Lizzie, I know my 3rd and 4th lines needed more work, but actual work (on Sunday FFS) took precedence. Dogs and doggerel are habit forming.

  49. Rabz

    Sinc should put up a poetry thread, and we could all have a go

    No, God, no! Not more Vogon poetry, peoples!

  50. blogstrop

    Aw! I was about to add:
    Twerk brilzerk und zerlislithery thytroves
    Diz gryvzli n gymble on der weblog

  51. blogstrop

    But the hour is booklateish. We can borogrove some more on the morrow.

  52. blogstrop – almost there mate! Good one. One rhyme adjustment for flow. Try:

    How I love to have a Grolsch with Dolce,
    I love to have a beer with Joe.
    We talk and talk in rhyming verse,
    And we never say whose lyric was worse.
    We drink at the Orb & Quadrant,
    Where the atmosphere is great;
    I love to have a Grolsch with Dolce,
    Cause Dolce’s a mate!

    and the Overland neo-wankology translation:

    Grolsch
    love of Nazi memorabilia
    Hitler’s moustache wax
    fragrance of shaddafaceness
    exuding ca-ca
    a beer (with joe) perhaps (NOT)
    We gab and gab in guano free verse
    (o the Italian women come and go
    gabbing of Michaelangelo
    another Italian
    stinking rhyming lyric rot
    (we don’t need no stinking rhyming lyrics)
    – The Treasurer of Sierra Overland
    We drink at Trades Hall spew Quadrant
    (I love the spew of Quadrant in the morning)
    Apoxonquadrant Now
    atmospheric greatness without punctuation or fonts

    Grolsch
    Dolce

    yes I can see a kind a asinine rhyme there
    BLOT IT OUT black shoe in which I have had to live as a foot for
    (but I digress)
    Death of course with tofurky
    my navel itches
    said the old commie bastard

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