It’s a matter of will

Getting things done is firstly knowing what you want to do and then doing whatever it takes to get them done.

Our new government has shown that so far as illegal migrants are concerned, where there’s a will there’s a way, or at least that’s been the case up until now and hopefully into the future. You really can stop the boats. But more importantly, it shows that if you are determined to find solutions, solutions that will work, you are more than half way towards solving the problem.

Would that I could say the same about the economy. I suppose we will eventually get a commission of audit report, around a year or perhaps more after the last election. But seriously, did we need a commission of audit to make a song and dance about the idiocies of Labor and the mess they made? Before the election there was something. Since then there has been hardly a word. And my question is why the Government has not gone in as hard on the economic side as it has on stopping the boats.

In The Australia today, there is a story on page 2 mentioned on the front page where it says:

Tony Abbott has made it clear that this will be the year in which he focuses on, and commits to economic management as never before.

On that same front page there is an actual story, that is also on the front page of the AFR, in which Bill Shorten “promises to fight for jobs in ‘middle ground’.” The AFR story is that “Shorten offers reform help”.

Why is Bill Shorten on the front pages about fixing the economy and not Tony Abbott or Joe Hockey? Where’s the plan, the strategy, the determination to fix things up?

I know it’s not the done thing to turn over these neutral public servants who run the various departments, but give me a break. These people pushed the stimulus and public spending because that is what their judgment told them was the right thing to do. Why are they still there? Why is their judgment still the primary advice the Government gets? There is not a chance in the world that they have changed their minds about the ruinous strategies they followed and therefore there is equally not a chance that they are capable of offering the advice that will bring the kinds of full scale recovery we had under John Howard and Peter Costello.

So here’s my advice. Get people at the top of our various economic agencies of government who really want balanced budgets and lower public outlays in the same way that Scott Morrison wants to stop the boats. It will make all the difference.

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109 Responses to It’s a matter of will

  1. Vicki

    Ah – but you have Scott Morrison in charge of the asylum policy, and Joe Hockey in charge of the economy.

  2. jumpnmcar

    I you can’t change the people then change the people.

  3. Andrew of Randwick

    Steven have patience. We are back to more ‘normal’ government processes. They are boring and time consuming – but they do not lead to flashy announcements followed by mess ups where ‘all the details will be worked out later’ – think of NDIS and Gonski.
    .

    Discussion Papers (Green) are prepared at the direction of a Minister. The preparation and publication of a Discussion Paper is clearly understood to be for the purposes of public discussion and comment. Discussion Papers do not commit the government or a Minister either to the views expressed or to a particular direction for future action.
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    Policy Papers (White) are papers or reports which embody a statement of government policy on a topic of significance.They are prepared at the direction of a Minister, approved by Cabinet and express a clear government policy framework.

    I hope/believe that Abbott will make announcements leading up to the May budget, after June things will get moving.
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    Along with the public hearings along the way, all the creases are ironed out before legislation is submitted to Parliament – probably a year after the Green paper – think 2015.

  4. candy

    Where is Tony Abbott. He’s just disappeared again. There’s no governing can be done without a prime minister.

  5. Alf

    And my question is why the Government has not gone in as hard on the economic side as it has on stopping the boats.

    Maybe because it’s so much easier to beat up on asylum seekers – not illegal by the way – than to keep pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t.

  6. Dan

    Yes Alf, while high levels of public debt combined with a massive leveraged asset bubble have inevitably
    caused banking crises since at least 1200AD, I’m sure “This Time it’s Different” (to quote the name of a book I would recommend to you).

  7. JimD

    Where is Tony Abbott. He’s just disappeared again. There’s no governing can be done without a prime minister.
    Sweetness,
    Read the fucking papers or suss out your mates at the AfuckingBC. He’s on a weeks holiday crunching the crisp snow in the Swiss Alps.

  8. ChrisPer

    Alf, it astonishes me that people can call climate skeptics ‘deniers’, then say

    pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t.

    .

    The only reason it isnt a disaster YET is that all but 36% of Australians tossed the incompetent nitwits out. They should have done it in 2007, it would have greatly reduced the harm.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Where is Tony Abbott. He’s just disappeared again.

    The lazy leftist swine is swanning around Europe picking up more brain dead ideas on how to fully root the country from people who have already done it.

  10. blogstrop

    Why is Bill Shorten on the front pages about fixing the economy and not Tony Abbott or Joe Hockey?

    I think I’ve mentioned this before : the propensity for a large part of the media to further the anti-western-democracy campaign.

  11. stackja

    candy
    #1159989, posted on January 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm
    Where is Tony Abbott. He’s just disappeared again. There’s no governing can be done without a prime minister.

    Yes! So said the ALP. But we know orderly processes continue.

    Alf
    #1159993, posted on January 20, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    Trespassing and Break/Enter are legal?

    The law of trespass is available to anyone who is an ‘occupier’ – not just to the owner of the property. Under the law of trespass, if someone enters the property without permission you can ask them to leave. If they refuse to go when asked, they are trespassing and you can use reasonable force to remove them.

  12. blogstrop

    Alf, you really are just another turd rolling down the sewer of leftwing history.

  13. Alf

    So it isn’t a disaster yet, Chris per. Perhaps Tony Abbott will deliver one, or are we going to blame the previous govt. for everything for the next five or six years?

  14. Token

    I like the policy to sell Murray Darling Basin water rights announced today. They are moving on a number of fronts.

    No “narrative” yet.

  15. candy

    The lazy leftist swine is swanning around Europe picking up more brain dead ideas on how to fully root the country from people who have already done it.

    I believe he’s back from Europe IT. There was a thing about him surfing after Christmas but he’s not been seen since.
    I just think at this time with serious issues for a new government he should be at work. Scott Morrison is doing a fantastic job but it would help to have the PM backing him up, wouldn’t it?

  16. .

    Token
    #1160037, posted on January 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    I like the policy to sell Murray Darling Basin water rights announced today. They are moving on a number of fronts.

    No “narrative” yet.

    Water rights are bullshit.

    If I drill deeper and find more water, I’m not entitled to any of it, nor is anyone else.

  17. Robert Crew

    “Getting things done is firstly knowing what you want to do and then doing whatever it takes to get them done.”

    A vitally important part of that process, and unstated above, is getting the electorate to follow you – and that is where the Commission of Audit is so important. The GST wasn’t passed because John Howard just decided one day to get’r'done; it passed because of the extensive consultation over 12 months and more leading up to an election where the case was laid out, was argued on all sides, compromises were made, and the electorate passed judgement. Any leader who is blind to this process will not long retain power.

    The electorate has passed judgement on the asylum seeker issue, and will not listen to Labor or the Greens any more on that issue during this electoral cycle. We don’t need to talk about it again for at least another two years, and any time spent on it now is wasted in favour of Bill Shorten.

    We need to look out for “trial balloons” from Tony and crew (I’ll bet Jamie Briggs will continue to be a source), and be prepared to vigorously make the case for the affirmative. You can guarantee that the ALP/Greens will latch on to any such thought bubble, as the GST was in 1997. What you can’t guarantee is that industry, retail, manufacturers, exporters, charities, NGOs, civil liberties groups, etc will sign on and argue the case, but if they don’t come out in substantial numbers, the movement is doomed.

    We now need to make the case for the desperately needed economic reform, and put it to the people: your partner, your friends, your relatives, your coworkers, your employees and (even) your union rep, in terms they can relate to in their everyday life. If reform doesn’t happen it will be your fault, and mine, and the fault of everyone else on the conservative/libertarian spectrum for failing to persuasively make the case.

  18. egg_

    Tony Abbott has made it clear that this will be the year in which he focuses on, and commits to economic management as never before.

    Add cutting ‘waste’ at Aunty to that list, buddy.

  19. stackja

    Robert Crew
    #1160057, posted on January 20, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    What you can’t guarantee is that industry, retail, manufacturers, exporters, charities, NGOs, civil liberties groups, etc will sign on and argue the case, but if they don’t come out in substantial numbers, the movement is doomed.

    Most of these named turned to ALP in 2007. Why are they not held culpable for the mess along with the ALP?

  20. stackja

    egg_
    #1160061, posted on January 20, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    ABC is mostly a waste of money.

  21. Tony Abbott has made it clear that this will be the year in which he focuses on, and commits to economic management as never before.

    Christ I hope not. He’s buggered up everything he’s tried so far, at least he hasn’t stuffed the economy yet.

  22. ChrisPer

    Alf, Labor Governments leave disasters. Greens governments leave disasters.

    Voters voted for them, generally because of dishonest campaigns like Rudd pretending to be responsible economic conservative but ‘nice’. and lying their asses off about workchoices. a large number of those voters see the disaster looming and change their votes to prevent it.

    The first business of every Coalition government is to fix the leftist-caused disasters. It would save time to allow recall elections – then lunatics staring at defeat like TLS last January would not be left in power to do more harm.

    As for the voters who dont change their votes, I can only assume they are blinded by unreasoning hatred.

  23. ChrisPer

    Alf, Labor Governments leave disasters. Greens governments leave disasters.

    The first business of every Coalition government is to fix the leftist-caused disasters. It would save time to allow recall elections – then lunatics staring at defeat like TLS last January would not be left in power to do more harm.

  24. JC

    Christ I hope not. He’s buggered up everything he’s tried so far, at least he hasn’t stuffed the economy yet.

    Fats, you ran Ozbone to the ground in the biggest tech boom in world history. You should not be judging others.

  25. Empire Strikes Back

    candy
    #1159989, posted on January 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    There was a time when Westminster practiced democratic rule without the office of Prime Minister. From Wikipedia:

    There is no specific date when the office of Prime Minister first appeared, as the role was not created but evolved over a period of time.[4] The term was used in the House of Commons in 1805,[5] it was certainly in Parliamentary use by the 1880s,[6] and in 1905 the post of Prime Minister was officially given recognition in the order of precedence.[7] Modern historians generally consider Sir Robert Walpole, who led the government of Great Britain for twenty-one years from 1721 to 1742,[8][9] to be the first Prime Minister

    Furthermore, the minister with his hands on the taxes was typically the superior minister:

    From Tudor times the Lord High Treasurer was regarded as one of the Great Officers of State, and was often (though not always) the dominant figure in the government:

    I doubt a modern Westminster style government could operate sans PM, but the office has morphed from its original intent, to something more akin to presidential executive power.

    Abbott promised a return to cabinet governance. Morrison is doing his job.

  26. Alf

    The Greens have never been in Government Chris Per. And all Labor governments do not leave disasters, any more than all Liberal governments do. The previous labor government did not leave a disaster, you’re living in a first world country with good amenities and a sound economy. Perhaps you’ve never been to a place where there are real disasters – maybe then you’d think twice before making comments like that.

  27. jumpnmcar

    How many public servants did Campbell Newman sack ?
    Is QLD worse off ?

    If you answered ” shit loads ” and ” no ” then there is one economic hint for Abbott.

  28. Andrew

    The only reason it isnt a disaster YET

    It is most definitely a disaster. About 130,000 people have been ADDED to the dole queue in what should have been the greatest boom in Australian history. Post-GFC recovery, commodity prices 30% higher than the PEAK reached in the mythical Costello “rivers of gold.” How is that not a disaster? How long would it take Gillard to knock on each door and personally apologise for creating a GFC after the GFC?

    It seems the new leftist meme is that the awful Abbott666 took a holiday! Quelle horreur! But wait, have any Senior Labor Figures taken any holidays? I seem to remember a lot of caterwauling from Blabbersac over the last couple of months – more than usual.

  29. Gab

    The Greens have never been in Government

    LOL. Just the tail wagging the dog they were.

  30. candy

    I’m sure the Greens were in government. I saw on TV Bob Brown and Julia Gillard sign a document together as partners in an alliance to govern Australia.

  31. What Robert Crew said…

    But I’ll also add the Lazy party have form here and the LDP has it’s eyes on you. Don’t stuff this up with any mortgage broker scandals or leadership squabbles.

    And sack the leadership of the NSW Lazy party responsible for the last election debacles. I don’t care if you have God on your side, you’re a useless waste of space.

  32. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m sure the Greens were in government. I saw on TV Bob Brown and Julia Gillard sign a document together as partners in an alliance to govern Australia.

    candy if you believe what you see check out my link

  33. Token

    Andrew, M0nty made this statement so you better remember that before you blame Abbott666 for the 130k jobs lost:

    Abbott deserves no credit for the current state of the Australian economy.

    Follow his wose instructions when it comes to the tragedy of job losses.

  34. Tracey

    So it isn’t a disaster yet, Chris per. Perhaps Tony Abbott will deliver one, or are we going to blame the previous govt. for everything for the next five or six years?

    Seems fair, Alf. Your fellow travellers are still blaming the Howard government who were last in charge in 2007.

  35. JimD

    Tint,
    Candy might just happen to be the fairy floss version of red cap and spud.

  36. Tintarella di Luna

    Candy might just happen to be the fairy floss version of red cap and spud.

    You think so?

  37. Andrew

    I’m sure the Greens were in government. I saw on TV Bob Brown and Julia Gillard sign a document together as partners in an alliance to govern Australia.

    What about Lara Bingle? Didn’t she actually appoint the filthies to her cabinet in TAS?

  38. jupes

    Maybe because it’s so much easier to beat up on asylum seekers – not illegal by the way – than to keep pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t.

    Alf is pining for the good old days of ‘compassionate’ Labor asylum seeker and border protection policy.

    Not only that, he misses the Goose telling him about the budget surplus he is going to deliver.

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed is young Alfie.

  39. Tintarella di Luna

    What a turn around – sorry if this has already been put up.

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    ooops wrong thread

  41. Craig Mc

    Maybe because it’s so much easier to beat up on asylum seekers – not illegal by the way – than to keep pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t
    .

    Edited for accuracy.

  42. Leo G

    “Why is Bill Shorten on the front pages …?”

    “We shouldn’t be leading the whole world (on climate change action) but under the Abbott government, we’re following the whole world.” – BS from BS.

    Australia to lead world climate change actions- but not directly. Lead by being led. Labor leadership.

  43. Robert Crew

    “Most of these named turned to ALP in 2007. Why are they not held culpable for the mess along with the ALP?”

    Because it is our fault they did so (I include double-opprobrium for myself as a Liberal Party member since 1993). We have to stand up for what we believe in, because no one else will stand up for us if we can’t.

  44. Bill Shorten says he will fight for the middle.

    Is that his middle, or ours?

  45. Leo G

    Maybe because it’s so much easier to beat up on asylum seekers – not illegal by the way – than to keep pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t.

    Labor still pretends it didn’t leave the economic framework for disaster.
    Even the UN concedes that asylum seekers can break laws in the course of seeking asylum- that’s why the protocols pressure governments to be circumspect in prosecuting some of those illegal acts.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    And my question is why the Government has not gone in as hard on the economic side as it has on stopping the boats.

    Senate.

  47. Mr Rusty

    Bill Shorten says he will fight for the middle.

    Is that his middle, or ours?

    Or that flab that has recently appeared around his middle?

  48. The Pugilist

    Of course, Abbott and Hockey need to hammer the ALP and their public service enablers over the stimulus debacles, but they also need to attack over the damage the ALP did to our financial system with their distortionary deposit and wholesale funding guarantees:

    Professor Davis said the guarantees had contributed to falling sales of life insurance products, finance company debentures, cash management products and property trusts, while the amount of retail savings held in government guaranteed bank deposits had soared.

    Banks are developing new products to exploit their guaranteed status in competition with non-banks. For example, Westpac has developed an annuity for retirees, which is essentially packaged from a series of guaranteed bank deposits.

    Professor Davis said virtually all the cash holdings of self-managed superannuation funds were held in guaranteed bank deposits

    Add to this the mergers between CBA/Bankwest and Westpac/St George and the introduction of covered bonds against the advice of APRA, all for questionable benefit.
    The government needs to leverage their financial system inquiry and highlight the damage Swan did to the financial system…

  49. egg_

    Bill Shorten says he will fight for the middle muddle… that is the ALP.

  50. My expectation has been that Abbott will do as far as is possible what he said he will do. He has said he intends to reestablish the trust people have in government, and I have seen nothing to contradict that, for all the lefty caterwauling to the contrary.

    Actions will speak of a commitment that can be trusted, so that the necessary changes can be taken to the people with a substantive case to trust him to undertake the repair of the nation that is required.

    After the next election.

  51. Docket62

    ALF @ The previous labor government did not leave a disaster, you’re living in a first world country with good amenities and a sound economy.

    Of course they didn’t…. The worst fiscal hole in Australian history,something that could take 10+ years for a liberal government to dig us out of, a PM who will be charged with fraud (oh it’s coming…) and who’s actions to defraud the Australian public are testament to her lack of integrity! the school halls debacle, the pink batts shit fight of which Kevin 07 may well do his nuts, the halfwit lead singer who thought he could dance around his ineptitude, and a complete duckwit who managed to steer Australia INTO a fucking iceberg.

    As to the second, yes we live in a first world country but another three years of the labour roadshow, and we’d be living in a third world country. Only someone with the integrity of TA, and the current liberal party will be able to pull us out of this shit fight.

  52. Paul

    “…than to keep pretending Labor left an economic disaster when it didn’t.”

    I shudder to think of the state of your household finances Alf.

  53. candy

    Only someone with the integrity of TA, and the current liberal party will be able to pull us out of this shit fight.

    I firmly believe that too,but while Tony Abbott is not visible and doesn’t show his face to the public too often, Bill Shorten will become the alternative PM in people’s eyes. He’s already trying to fill that role and the BAC and left media will enable him.

  54. Docket62

    I firmly believe that too,but while Tony Abbott is not visible and doesn’t show his face to the public too often, Bill Shorten will become the alternative PM in people’s eyes. He’s already trying to fill that role and the BAC and left media will enable him.

    Couldn’t agree more, but there must be a reason for this. The party isn’t that stupid, and I believe there is a real strategy here. Bill shorten is an oompaloompah who’s day will never come. Born to lose, his name will come up shortly when he is named as an accused rapist, and I believe that will be the end of him. there is no one of any value to fill the shoes, and the ALP will self destruct even more so than it has now. There is so much sub judice in the ranks of the ALP that there will be few left standing. Perhaps after all, that is the strategy itself?

  55. Andrew

    It is good that Tony wants to commit himself to economic management as his main goal for 2014 but when you want to cut taxes, put in a PPL, increase education spending, wants a massive NDIS, want to put off tax reform, want to put off IR reform, wants to return defence spending to 2% of GDP, don’t want to cut health spending and wants a budget surplus, I don’t see what he is really going to be able to do.

  56. Gab

    It is good that Tony wants to commit himself to economic management as his main goal for 2014 but when you want to cut taxes, put in a PPL, increase education spending, wants a massive NDIS, want to put off tax reform, want to put off IR reform, wants to return defence spending to 2% of GDP, don’t want to cut health spending and wants a budget surplus, I don’t see what he is really going to be able to do.

    Solid point.

  57. candy

    Perhaps after all, that is the strategy itself?

    It’s real puzzling, Docket62, I can’t work it out.

    Perhaps they just need younger media advisors who know what’s what and how to manage all the types of media and put out all the good and positive. There’s plenty to work with.

    Really, the Abbott government is hopeless with managing the media. It’s like they live in the 1950′s or something and just try to ignore it. A big mistake.

  58. Docket62

    @candy

    Agree. Is there any way we (the cats) can actually point this out to them?

  59. Alf

    Someone posted this on the Guardian site; make of it what you will, but don’t suggest that there’s no value in any of it:
    Achievements of the Rudd-Gillard Labor government. From RR
    In my view this has been one of the finest parliamentary periods in our history. ReadyReader

    · NBN (the real one) – total cost $37.4b (Government contribution: $30.4b)
    ·BER 7,920 schools: 10,475 projects. (completed at less than 3% dissatisfaction rate)
    · Gonski – Education funding reform
    ·NDIS/DisabilityCare
    ·MRRT & aligned PRRT
    ·Won seat at the UN
    ·Signed Kyoto
    ·Signatory to Bali Process & Regional Framework
    ·Eradicated WorkChoices
    ·Established Fair Work Australia
    ·Established Carbon Pricing/ETS (7% reduction in emissions since July last year)
    ·Established National Network of Reserves and Parks
    ·Created world’s largest Marine Park Network
    ·Introduced Reef Rescue Program
    ·National Apology
    Sorry to the Stolen Generation
    ·Increased Superannuation from 9 to 12%
    ·Changed 85 laws to remove discrimination against same sex couples
    · Introduced National Plan to reduce violence against women and children
    ·Improvements to Sex Discrimination Act
    ·Introduced Plain packaging
    ·Legislated Equal pay (social & community workers up to 45% pay increases)
    Legislated Australia’s first Paid parental leave scheme
    ·Established $10b Renewable energy fund
    ·Legislated Murray/Darling Basin plan (the first in a hundred years of trying.)
    · Increased Education funding by 50%
    ·Established direct electoral enrollment
    ·Created 190,000 more University places
    · Achieved 1:1 ratio, computers for year 9-12 students
    ·Established My School
    ·Established National Curriculum

    ·Established NAPLAN
    ·Increased Health funding by 50%
    · Legislated Aged care package
    · Legislated Mental health package
    · Legislated Dental Care package
    ·Created 90 Headspace sites
    · Created Medicare Locals Program
    ·Created Aussie Jobs package
    · Created Kick-Start Initiative (apprentices)
    ·Funded New Car plan (industry support)
    · Created Infrastructure Australia
    · Established Nation Building Program (350 major projects)
    · Doubled Federal Roads budget ($36b) (7,000kms of roads)
    ·Rebuilding 1/3 of interstate rail freight network
    ·Committed more to urban passenger rail than any government since Federation
    ·Developed National Ports Strategy
    ·Developed National Land Freight Strategy
    · Created the nations first ever Aviation White Paper
    ·Revitalized Australian Shipping
    ·Reduced transport regulators from 23 to 3 (saving $30b over 20years)
    · Introduced NICS – infrastructure schedule
    · Australia has moved from 20th in 2007 to 2nd on OECD infrastructure ranking
    · Awarded International Infrastructure Minister of the Year (2012 Albanese)
    ·Awarded International Treasurer of the Year (2011 Swan)
    · Introduced Anti-dumping and countervailing system reforms
    ·Legislated Household Assistance Package
    · Introduced School Kids Bonus
    · Increased Childcare rebate (to 50%)
    · Allocated $6b to Social Housing (20,000 homes)
    · Provided $5b to Support for Homelessness
    · Established National Rental Affordability Scheme ($4.5b)
    · Introduced Closing the Gap
    ·Supports Act of Recognition for constitutional change
    · Provided the highest pension increase in 100 years
    · Created 900,000 new jobs
    · Established National Jobs Board
    ·Allocated $9b for skills and training over 5 years
    · Established Enterprise Connect (small business)
    ·Appointed Australia’s first Small Business Commissioner
    ·Introduced immediate write-off of assets costing less than $6,500 for Sm/Bus
    · Introduced $5,000 immediate write-off for Small Business vehicles over $6,500
    ·Introduced Small business $1m loss carryback for tax rebate from previous year
    · Legislated Australian Consumer law
    ·Introduced a national levy to assist Queensland with reconstruction
    ·Standardized national definition of flood for Insurance purposes.
    · Created Tourism 2020
    · Completed Australia’s first feasibility study on high speed rail
    ·Established ESCAS (traceability and accountability in live animal exports)
    ·Established Royal Commission into Institutional Sexual Abuse
    ·Established National Crime Prevention Fund
    · Lowered personal income taxes (Ave family now pays $3,500 less p.a. than 2007)
    · Raised the tax-free threshold from $6,000 to $18,200
    · Australia now the richest per capita nation on earth
    · First time ever Australia has three triple A credit ratings from all three credit agencies
    · Low inflation
    ·Lowest interest rates in 60 years (Ave mortgagee paying $5,000 less p.a. than 2007)
    · Low unemployment
    ·Lowest debt to GDP in OECD
    · Australian dollar is now fifth most traded in the world and IMF Reserve Currency

  60. JC

    Someone posted this on the Guardian site; make of it what you will, but don’t suggest that there’s no value in any of it:

    LOL
    ·

    Australian dollar is now fifth most traded in the world and IMF Reserve Currency

    It’s been like that for about a decade, you fucking idiot, Alfie.

    In my view this has been one of the finest parliamentary periods in our history.

    Well, would we expect anything less, Alfie. You’re a fucking imbecile and prove it everything you post here.

  61. JC

    ·Created world’s largest Marine Park Network

    This achievement was fantastic thinking. They gave fish a navigational gizmo and very bright provided road signs that fish can see to direct them from one marine park to another along narrow routes in order to avoid hazards like fisherman and bigger hungry fish.

    I believe Lurch thought of the whole thing.

  62. candy

    Alf
    Why did ALP get voted out? with a wopping majority to LNP?

  63. JC

    Why did ALP get voted out? with a wopping majority to LNP?

    I’ll answer for him Candy. It was the relentless negativity from the opposition.

  64. Alf

    Yes, JC, except I didn’t write and didn’t say I agree with everything on it. But I know your form – the nonsense about General Patton the other night, suggesting I was lying when I was proved right the next morning. If this is typical, and it is, you’re not very credible.

    And maybe the actual answer to Candy is that they were so riven by internal conflict that it was impossible to let them remain in government. You’re not a mind reader JC and you assume too much too often. I think you’re in the right weight division to be battling with straw men.

  65. Dave Wane

    Alf, Nothing on that long list was required. And of course almost all the items were totally unaffordable. If Australia could somehow wind back the clock to mid 2007, and leave the settings Howard and Costello had in place (including WorkChoices), we would really be the envy of the world. Instead we are almost broke and falling further into a debt-laden abyss, have falling productivity, low business confidence, some of the highest priced electricity in the world and being driven further into the ground by mountains of unnecessary red tape, green tape and general massive over-regulation. And Alf, you think the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd Labor government were good? Good for what? Turning Australia into the Greece of the South Pacific (given another term or two)? Socialism is sure working a treat in Spain and Portugal? Even the French look pretty bad these days thanks to periods of socialist administrations over the years – and of course currently. Not much good news around the socialist world, Alf.

  66. Dave Wane

    Alf, Nothing on that long list was required. And of course almost all the items were totally unaffordable. If Australia could somehow wind back the clock to mid 2007, and leave the settings Howard and Costello had in place (including WorkChoices), we would really be the envy of the world. Instead we are almost broke and falling further into a debt-laden abyss, have falling productivity, low business confidence, some of the highest priced electricity in the world and being driven further into the ground by mountains of unnecessary red tape, green tape and general massive over-regulation. And Alf, you think the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd Labor government were good? Good for what? Turning Australia into the Greece of the South Pacific (given another term or two)? Socialism is sure working a treat in Spain and Portugal? Even the French look pretty bad these days thanks to periods of socialist administrations over the years – and of course currently. Not much good news around the socialist world, Alf.

  67. boy on a bike

    Established National Rental Affordability Scheme ($4.5b)

    This has been squandered on 38,000 properties to date – if they have spent the whole lot, that’s $118,000 per property. They’re housing 15,719 tenants – at a cost of $300,000 per tennant so far. That’s affordable?

    They supporting “affordable housing” in places like Hobart FFS – where you can rent a 2 bedroom unit for as little as $160 per week. Share with a friend for an enormous rental outgoing of $80 per week.

    Amazingly enough, the biggest taker of the scheme in the ACT is the ANU with 1000 dwellings.

  68. jupes

    LOL.Thanks for the memories Alfie. Every single item on that list has been exposed on this and other blogs as evidence of Labor’s profound incompetence. That is all we discussed here for the last six years.

    You are as dumb as a stump.

  69. Adrien

    I know it’s not the done thing to turn over these neutral public servants who run the various departments, but give me a break.

    Well this is, um,like the way we do things?You wanna change that because you don’t like the last government. Okay.

    These people pushed the stimulus and public spending because that is what their judgement told them was the right thing to do. Why are they still there? Why is their judgment still the primary advice the Government gets?

    Well if the public service are responsible for the 07-13 ALP Brouhaha there is a serious problem because the way it’s supposed to work is that government decides policy and the civil service carry it out. The distinction, if blurred, ought to be clarified. What you don’t want is to be even more like the United States in this way where the administration puts three thousand of his favourite yes-men into every part of the apparatus.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m all in favour of canning public servants if warranted but what is believed or desired by this or that public servant are not primary attributes of their competence. The irony of changing to a US style system in the name of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is that you get a plethora of offices.

    Not that one has to argue for Local Tradition; and also is this a big fat whinge about jobs? Jobs desired? Government jobs? What funny fucking moneys we are.

    Happy new year.

  70. JohnA

    ESB:

    “Furthermore, the minister with his hands on the taxes was typically the superior minister:

    From Tudor times the Lord High Treasurer was regarded as one of the Great Officers of State, and was often (though not always) the dominant figure in the government: “

    Of course: Poo-Bah traced his pre-Adamite ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule.

  71. JohnA

    Alf #1160406, posted on January 20, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    Someone posted this on the Guardian site; make of it what you will, but don’t suggest that there’s no value in any of it:
    Achievements of the Rudd-Gillard Labor government. From RR
    In my view this has been one of the finest parliamentary periods in our history. ReadyReader

    Alf, the problem is not that the previous government did nothing, but that the rotten sods did BAD things. Almost everything in that list represents
    a) more government intrusion
    b) less trust in the people of Australia
    and
    c) spending money the country doesn’t have anymore, on stuff that doesn’t represent solid future assets
    on the assumption that bigger government is better (which it is not) and that the government knows better than me how to spend my hard earned money.

  72. feelthebern

    Men step forward.
    Boys step back.
    Alf is a boy, scared of the world we live in & looks to the government teat for he & his kin to suckle on.
    Suck away Alf & just let the real citizens of this county build & create.
    Just say thanks when we are done.
    I bet you’re the kind of guy who waits breathlessly to see who is named Australian of the year & who laughed politely at Krudds jokes on the campaign trail.
    You get a feeling deep in your stomach sometimes.
    It’s your pride fucking with you.

  73. iamok

    Alf I got down to the 12% super then stopped. You are aware of course that the employer pays this and it is nothing for a govt to impose more costs on business like this. All care and no responsibility. What they could not do is anything to really assist businesses to create the prosperity that they have done for many many years.

    I stopped reading your list at the point where I had seen no achievements – just unfunded, thought bubble, cash splashes and handouts to mates. If this list is our country’s measure of success then God (yes God) help us all. We are stuffed.

    I suggest you lobby to bring back Gillard after she returns from her “calling out misogyny wherever she sees it” tour in Dubai. She will be able fix all this inconvenient responsible and accountable government that is going on now.

  74. YYY guy

    Andrew

    #1160114, posted on January 20, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    I’m sure the Greens were in government. I saw on TV Bob Brown and Julia Gillard sign a document together as partners in an alliance to govern Australia.

    What about Lara Bingle? Didn’t she actually appoint the filthies to her cabinet in TAS?

    Hell, I’d get into a cabinet with Lara Bingle… but certainly not Lara Giddings.

  75. .

    · Created 900,000 new jobs

    Which is why there are more unemployed now than during or after the GFC?

    The ALP are untrustworthy and unfit to govern.

  76. JC

    Yes, JC, except I didn’t write and didn’t say I agree with everything on it.

    There’s only one thing worse than a leftwing troll, Alfie and that’s another, dumber leftwing troll. You’re the other, dumber leftwing troll.
    Note, I didn’t mention the word dishonest, because leftwing and dishonesty are synonymous.

    But I know your form – the nonsense about General Patton the other night, suggesting I was lying when I was proved right the next morning. If this is typical, and it is, you’re not very credible.

    Remind me. You’re lying, or generally hi-alaning (concern trolling) all the time so I’m sure what you’re referring to.

    You’re not a mind reader JC and you assume too much too often. I think you’re in the right weight division to be battling with straw men.

    I don’t have to be a mind reader to know you’re a dishonest, dumb leftwing troll, alfie.

    Seriously, how would that stupid link add to the font of human knowledge? Why would you think posting that turgid dishonest crap would change hearts and minds here, you fucking clown.

    Why don’t you just fuck off and get back under the rock you slid out from, Alfie. ….. Alfie Lol.

  77. Alf

    I think it was when you declared me a liar for suggesting that Morrison had cancelled the weekly briefings – which he announced the next morning.

    You’re a pathetic blowhard JC, with no clue about anything. A small man indeed, whose idea of a good argument is repetition and insult. You’re a joke mate – go out onto other sites and see how you fare.

    You do realise that the fringe dwellers here are pining for a reality they’ll never see. There’s a reason why the number of contributors is limited – it’s right wing nutbag fringe who egg each other on with stupid conspiracy theories and the sort of smears and attacks that, were they levelled at you would have you screaming blue murder.

  78. Paul

    All your “achievements” seem to involve ever greater unproductive spends Alfie.

  79. Token

    You’re a pathetic blowhard JC, with no clue about anything. A small man indeed, whose idea of a good argument is repetition and insult. You’re a joke mate – go out onto other sites and see how you fare.

    Alf your list is a pathetic joke. The statement about the NBN has been proven to be untrue. All I have to do is pick up the Liars Party’s own Whitewash on the BER and your statement on point # 2 is proven incorrect. I could continue from there but it is not worth the effort.

    You are a Liars Party fan who believes government is functioning well when it delivers legislation by the kilo at a great cost to tax payers.

    I note you are stuck with slugging it out with JC seeing your pathetic list is being destroyed line by line. Not unusual for the empty headed lefties who try trolling here.

  80. Andrew

    Pug, deposit guarantees were a good thing – introduced with typical lies, bungling and beclownment. The day the UK did it, we should have simply announced “$1m here too.” Nothing to see. But no, Goose resisted it and then tried to do the BER of deposit guarantees. And succeeded.

    As for covered bonds, they are a useful thing. Quasi super-sovereign. AAA in the basis that a dumb mortgage pool is more rational than a govt. (A mortgage pool wouldn’t give poorly installed pink batts to every mortgages property, for example.) they were there to take the role of CGBs when they, um, fall to de minimus levels. Now they’re just cheaper funding instruments – still nice to have when senior bonds were around 300bp for most banks at one point.

  81. .

    You do realise that the fringe dwellers here are pining for a reality they’ll never see. There’s a reason why the number of contributors is limited – it’s right wing nutbag fringe who egg each other on with stupid conspiracy theories and the sort of smears and attacks that, were they levelled at you would have you screaming blue murder.

    20,000 unique visitors a day and we don’t advertise
    Read by Bolt and Blair
    Read by the Abbott Government

    As for Crikey, Lavartus Prodeo or Club Troppo?

    Our reality comes to fruition on July 1 when David Lleyonhjelm and perhaps a WA LDP Senator hold the balance of power.

    Welcome, friend, to the an enlightened age of politics and administration where promises are not a KPI.

  82. adrian

    Scott Morrison is clearly the star performer of the front bench. he is only one that has so far delivered the goods.

  83. JC

    I think it was when you declared me a liar for suggesting that Morrison had cancelled the weekly briefings – which he announced the next morning.

    So let me get this right, Alfie. You don’t think you were being an idiot for suggesting Morrison cancelled his weekly briefings before he announced he was closing down the weekly briefings because there were no boats to report.

    That’s the train of logic, right?

    You really are that fucking stupid, Alfster.

    You’re a pathetic blowhard JC, with no clue about anything. A small man indeed, whose idea of a good argument is repetition and insult. You’re a joke mate – go out onto other sites and see how you fare.

    Don’t call me mate, alfie. I would never entertain the idea of being your “mate”. You’re just another scumbag.

    You do realise that the fringe dwellers here are pining for a reality they’ll never see. There’s a reason why the number of contributors is limited – it’s right wing nutbag fringe who egg each other on with stupid conspiracy theories and the sort of smears and attacks that, were they levelled at you would have you screaming blue murder.

    Lol…that’s one of the “best” incoherent rants I’ve seen here for a while now. Keep’em coming.

    Now go spend some quality time reading the morning’s Guardian. Antony Lowenstein had a great piece in there yesterday urging the UN to sanction Australia.

  84. JC

    I note you are stuck with slugging it out with JC seeing your pathetic list is being destroyed line by line. Not unusual for the empty headed lefties who try trolling here.

    Toke,

    The Alfster is so fucking moronic he uncritically put up that list which included Liars claiming the Aussie Dollar as the 5th most traded currency being one their signature achievements. The Aussie has been one of the most heavily traded currencies for well over a decade. And even if say it became heavily traded during the Lair party regime, how on earth could they claim this as an achievement?

    The fucking idiot ought to be banned for the moron he is without mercy.

  85. Adrien

    From Alf’s list:

    First time ever Australia has three triple A credit ratings from all three credit agencies

    And I’m sure they’ve got a uranium credit card from each one of ‘em. :)

    Is that an achievement of the last ALP government? Or those preceding it? Insofar as such can be seen as the result of state action? Nevermind. The important thing is Labor’s slogan for the next election. And that list’s got it:

    NBN
    The Real One.

    Didn’t have to further than Item #1. Truthful considering the ALP don’t either these days.

  86. Alf

    I rest my case – where’s your argument JC. ‘Incoherent rant’ don’t cut it – what makes it so, any more than the garbage that you type?

    Anyway, I gotta go. But thanks for the laughs little fella. You really are a funny chap. As I said, why don’t you put some of your ‘ideas’ forward on sites where you’d get an argument? Or are you threatened by sites that don’t accept telling people to fuck off as an argument? Go on, try it. See how go.

  87. JC

    Anyway, I gotta go.

    Yea, go spend quality time at the Guardian reading Antony Lowenstein’s piece and report back later.

    Alfie, you’ll like it. in fact I’m sure you will.

    You fucking moron.

  88. JC

    First time ever Australia has three triple A credit ratings from all three credit agencies

    I’m shocked. The country goes through the biggest commodity boom in history and the credit agencies ascribe triple A.

    Yea, next up, Shane Wand was responsible for the commodity boom.

  89. candy

    That they were so riven by internal conflict that it was impossible to let them remain in government.

    They were Alf, most amazingly so, but the debt and lack of surplus and unprotected borders issues superceded all that, in my opinion.

  90. eb

    The Liar’s Party was only riven by internal conflict because Rudd was an arsehole, and Gillard was incompetent.

    That list of “achievements” was astounding. 80% bad things, 10% only promises, and 10% things that just happened while they were there!

  91. feelthebern

    This Alf is the worst kind of troll.
    He doesn’t seem to realize that the debt the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd government racked up will enslave us all.
    But apparently that’s ok as “its no where near as bad as the rest of the world” , which is a lie in itself.
    It does my head in that these fuckwits are continuing to advocate the spending of my money (taxes) on their Student Representative Council thought bubbles.

  92. JC

    and 10% things that just happened while they were there!

    No no no. Wayne Swan (aka Shane Wand) was responsible for the commodity boom.

  93. JC

    Yep, I had to.
    Tweeted Swan… (the dickhead calls himself “Swanny”. What a dickhead. What a complete dickhead).

    @SwannyQLD People at Catallaxy blog say Wayne Swan responsible for the global commodity boom. That’s why he was the greatest treasurer ever.

  94. egg_

    Turning Australia into the Greece of the South Pacific

    Good – time to flog off Aunty, just like ERT.

  95. gabrianga

    Please don’t go too hard on resident village idiot Alfie. He provides(unwittingly)such a volume of humour with his attacks on Abbott and quotations from his Bible, the “Guardian” it would be sad to discourage him completely.

    Just loved the real NBN he quoted as a start of Labor’s “successes”

  96. adrian

    Scott Morrison is delivering. So is Barnaby Joyce by selling water to irrigators. Anyone else?

  97. rickw

    I build a lot of prototypes and one offs. I use a method that I call “incremental problem solving”. I don’t aim to solve the entire problem at once, just parts of the problem and often the easiest parts of the problem first. As the incremental solutions are completed then the solutions to the more difficult parts become apparent.

    I think the same can be said for fixing the economy. You don’t need some overarching and comprehensive strategy. You need an objective, and you need to start taking actions that are aligned with that objective.

  98. egg_

    “incremental problem solving”

    Great analogy, thanks (having done similar work).

  99. Token

    Just loved the real NBN he quoted as a start of Labor’s “successes”

    It is amusing as the claim “Established National Curriculum” which we see in the news the leftards acknowledge was never implemented.

  100. The Pugilist

    Pug, deposit guarantees were a good thing – introduced with typical lies, bungling and beclownment. The day the UK did it, we should have simply announced “$1m here too.” Nothing to see. But no, Goose resisted it and then tried to do the BER of deposit guarantees. And succeeded.

    I disagree they are an unambiguously good thing. Our system of depositor preference worked just fine. Was there any evidence of a run on our banks at the time that the RBA couldn’t handle through liquidity swaps or a temporary facility as had been done in the past?

    As for covered bonds, they are a useful thing. Quasi super-sovereign AAA in the basis that a dumb mortgage pool is more rational than a govt. (A mortgage pool wouldn’t give poorly installed pink batts to every mortgages property, for example.) they were there to take the role of CGBs when they, um, fall to de minimus levels. Now they’re just cheaper funding instruments – still nice to have when senior bonds were around 300bp for most banks at one point.

    I think there was questionable benefit from the introduction of covered bonds. They were sold as a means to lower retail mortgage rates and help smaller banks and other ADIs? Did they really do so? As far as I can tell, they merely entrenched the market dominance of the big 4. You could argue that reduced competition for deposits and loans outweighed any benefits to consumers from lower cost funding sources.
    My view is the ALP reduced competition in the finance sector and made it harder to scrap or reduce deposit guarantees, as depositor preference is now out the window…

  101. Pickles

    YYY Guy
    Hell, I’d get into a cabinet with Lara Bingle… but certainly not Lara Giddings.

    Oh, I don’t know..she has a kindly visage and comes from a nice family..

  102. Leo G

    “Someone posted this on the Guardian site; make of it what you will, but don’t suggest that there’s no value in any of it: Achievements of the Rudd-Gillard Labor government. From RR. In my view this has been one of the finest parliamentary periods in our history. ReadyReader” – Alf”

    I suggest there’s no value in any substantial part of it. Why? Consider, for example:

    “·Signed Kyoto”

    The Howard Government signed the Kyoto Protocol on 24 April 1998.
    Alf’s list is essentially a deception.

  103. Uber

    I see Red Barry in NSW has just eneded all mineral exploration investment in the state with his corrupt NuCoal decision.

    After all, investment in the stock exchange is purely speculative, full stop, according to Red.

    That’s right Barry, full stop. Exactly where you’re leading the state. Barry is possibly the cleverest communist to ever enter Australian politics.

  104. Uber

    The big question is, should we vote Labor at the NSW election? I know it seems ridiculous but frankly I think they would form a better (less worse) government.

  105. Paul

    I’m surprised no-one has thought to call Giddings “Lara Bungle”.

  106. Andrew

    The big question is, should we vote Labor at the NSW election? I know it seems ridiculous but frankly I think they would form a better (less worse) government.

    We are talking about NSW Labor here, an extremely corrupt organisation.

  107. Alf, it isn’t a conspiracy if it’s Trade Union Party policy.

    Most of that list was hauling on the union handbrake which Keating eased off in the 80′s.

    Only the 14% of the population who are Union hacks would think they were acheivements.

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