“These claims are indeed difficult to verify”

The ABC is filled with such pathetic losers whose only claim to our attention is the billion dollars they receive from the rest of us. Take away the billion and we can find them on street corners of a Friday night selling The Green-Left Review. It is one thing to mention that a bunch of asylum seekers said that they had been abused by the RAN. It is quite another to go on with it as if there were anything more than the remotest possibility that it’s true. Unless this is being broadcast to help the government dissuade asylum seekers from coming across from Indonesia where, surely, they have already found a safe haven.

THE ABC has defended its editorial processes against a rising tide of criticism of its reports that Australian navy personnel beat and burned asylum-seekers during a tow-back operation earlier this month.

This is despite strong assertions from the government and the Australian Defence Force that the claims are unfounded and another television network, Seven, treating the asylum-seekers’ allegations with much greater scepticism a fortnight earlier.

The reports, by ABC Indonesia correspondent George Roberts, featured prominently on the network’s radio, television and online platforms on Wednesday. They centred on video footage of the asylum-seekers receiving treatment for burned and blistered hands at a medical facility in Kupang, West Timor.

The asylum-seekers claimed the burns were a result of being forced to hold hot engine pipes by navy personnel. They also alleged they were badly beaten by navy personnel before their boat was turned back to Rote Island on New Year’s Day.

“This video and the version of events given by Indonesian police appears (sic) to back up the claims of mistreatment first made by the asylum-seekers when they spoke to the ABC a fortnight ago,” Roberts said in a video report.

ABC news director Kate Torney yesterday defended the reports. “These claims are indeed difficult to verify and we have reported that too, along with Immigration Minister Scott Morrison’s emphatic denials,” she said.

It’s not so much that it’s untrue that is the issue, but that the ABC wants it to be true, and in this post-modern world will do everything to turn this fiction into truth even if the events never happened.

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159 Responses to “These claims are indeed difficult to verify”

  1. KaaBee

    Seems to me that ABC news and current affairs should be re-badged ABC5

  2. Ant

    If the ABC are leveling unsubstantiated attacks on our navy – some of our finest citizens – then they are enemies of the state.

  3. adrian

    Ever since kiddies overboard the media and political establishment have been running the same narrative that there are no pull factors, only push factors, and there is nothing the Australian government can do to control the flow of people. Well, in the space of only a few months Scott Morrison has shown that up to be a big fat lie and the media cannot deal with the truth!

  4. ChrisPer

    Shut it down. Sell the real estate. Leave no brick on another.

    Establish an honest Govt news service from scratch.

  5. feelthebern

    & this gets pumped into Asia?
    At least that contract needs to be re-tendered.
    Surely the ABC has breached its contract.

  6. Tas

    You have to laugh ………. our ABC the home of own goals. If Mr Scott was managing a professional football team, the board would have already dropped kicked him out the door.

    The Conservative side of politics biggest asset at the moment is the ‘Left’.

  7. Outraged

    It appears to me that “our” ABC will cheer for anyone but Australia.

  8. Walter Plinge

    The Abbott government is indeed pusillanimous with respect to the ABC. I expected more but it’s business as usual. To be fair I can’t say what the ABC is like from personal experience as I haven’t watched it or listed to it for over a decade. Fortunately there’s The Australian, thick-skinned Cat contributors and Nancy to fill me in with the ghastly details.

  9. Even the support staff—at all times willing to believe any seditious nonsense—are thoroughly imbued with groupthink and, since they favour reeducation camps for the rest of us, ought to be sent to reeducation camps whilst the former sites of ABC buildings are sown with salt.

  10. Andrew

    And I’ve made Bishop666 aware of my limited experience of ABC broadcasting into Asia. Seems that every time I’m there, they’re either Abbottabbottabbotting, calling AUS Nazis, calling the RAN war criminals, announcing us as an anti-business low productivity centre of non-investment, or otherwise doing the exact opposite of what they were (corruptly) paid $200m to do.

  11. Token

    I heard ALP client Marty this morning – he was very contrite when he noted the boats were moved south to work with the Australian navy.

    You can bet the nasty passive aggressive worm will drop more private correspondence when he gets a chance as revenge.

  12. candy

    Mark Scott is in hiding, by the looks of it, on his $800,000 salary somewhere, letting our Defence Force reputation be trashed. One can only assume he approves of the lies being spread and wants OSB sabotaged.

  13. Rabz

    OK, so they’re plainly ‘reporting’ fabrications as fact.

    At the very least, shouldn’t certain heads at the ALPBC be rolling over this?

    FFS, this new government are a bunch of softcocks.

    :x

  14. Token

    At least that contract needs to be re-tendered.
    Surely the ABC has breached its contract.

    Turnbull staff should’ve been crawling up and down that contract months ago so he can move quickly and decisively against an agency which is peddling unsubstantiated claims which will have long term effect on the country’s relationship with our northern neighbours.

    The ABC is gleefully hoping this or a similar story will be the Abu Ghraib which will destroy Australia’s reputation.

  15. Leigh Lowe

    “These claims that Julia Gillard was party to a rip-off of AWU funds are indeed difficult to verify and we have reported that too, along with a statement of support from Anne Summers Immigration Minister Scott Morrison’s emphatic denials” she said.

    A new found desire to report stuff that “is difficult to verify”

  16. Token

    Mark Scott is in hiding, by the looks of it, on his $800,000 salary somewhere, letting our Defence Force reputation be trashed.

    It is time the Defence Forces acted in a way that the ABC understands.

    Commandant Keifer’s unjust suspension & all the untrue stories spread about the man wouldn’t have been possible if the ABC was not actively campaigning against defence forces.

  17. Riverina Matt

    It says a lot for how the ABC and their fellow travellers view the ADF and ADF personnel.

    With most of them never actually having met a serving ADF member, most of them are quite happy to parrot the former leader of the Federal ALP and declare that ADF personnel are “meatheads” and “primeval”.

    If you think that way about the ADF, it is only a short step more to then believe them to be capable of being torturing, raping, machines thirsting to kill innocent women and children.

  18. Des Deskperson

    This seems to highlight one of the key problems with taxpayer funded media, that it will tend to support the side of politics that gives it the most money.

    In the past we have relied on an internal culture of professionalism to prevent this sort of thing in the ABC or in any other taxpayer funded organisation, but this culture now appears to be in serious decay in the ABC.

  19. Johno

    Establish an honest Govt news service from scratch.

    An ‘honest Govt news service’ is a contradiction. You can have an ‘honest’ news service (whatever that means) or you can have a ‘Govt’ news service.

    For a Govt news service to be ‘honest’, it would require close control by the Minister, but that would turn it into a government propaganda service.

    A lack of Ministerial control results in the news service being taken over by a clique that uses it push their agenda – as demonstrated by the ABC and SBS.

    Only a commercial news service, in a competitive marker (not Australia’s government free to air backed cartel), can deliver something like an ‘honest’ news service.

  20. motherhubbard'sdog

    What is all this crap about asylum seekers anyway? These people have already reached a place where they are safe from persecution. It is even a Muslim country. Every one of them is just out for a better life economically. Not that that is a problem, but they should seek entry by legal means like everyone else.

  21. Luke

    This tripe isn’t going to stop. It’s going to go on and on. ABC workers are set in their opinion that the government (being conservative) is the enemy and the enemy must be brought down.

    Abbott is being a clown not taking action against this. It’s not turning the other cheek, it’s just plain delusion or ignorance. This crap gets fed out by the ABC and then is repeated and used as proof in Universities and schools. The more of this crap the ABC peddle the more fresh Labor/Greens voters they are turning out by the next election.

    Liberals inaction on the culture wars will send them to the back bench, and the next Labor government will double the handouts to ensure they stay there. Man up and get into this fight.

  22. .

    These are very blatant examples of taxpayer funded, left wing bias.

    Royal commission – Does Australia a national broadcaster with todays technology and have the ABC and SBS been systemically biased towards politicians who favour state ownership of resources, namely the ALP, Demcorats and Greens?

    Now.

  23. Mr McGoo

    If Indonesia stopped persecuting these people they would not risk their lives trying to get to Australia. Why is the ABC not asking that question? What? They’re not being persecuted in Indonesia? So how can they be genuine refugees?

  24. tylos

    I know I am too optimistic, but I hope the upcoming budget simply rolls SBS into ABC and then tenders out the Australia Network (which Sky will win for the third first time).
    With just two pen strokes, the behemoth’s budget is reduced by $560,000,000 per annum. (Plus the Libs can auction off SBS’s old spectrum.)

  25. gabrianga

    Time for the Abbott Government to rectify the Gillard/Conroy rigging of the tender to run Australia’s Overseas service ignoring the recommendation for SKY to be awarded the contract and handed back to ABC on a platter.

    Hearing Emerson rushing to ABC’s defence on their reporting of the RAN “incident” this a.m. only helped to remind what a corrupt Government his squeeze ran.

  26. Johno

    Turnbull staff should’ve been crawling up and down that contract months ago so he can move quickly and decisively against an agency which is peddling unsubstantiated claims which will have long term effect on the country’s relationship with our northern neighbours.

    That’s assuming that Turnbull has any interest whatsoever of holding his ABC to account. I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that he has the slightest interest in responding to the concerns of Liberal Party members. (Note – even the members of the most left wing division of the Liberal Party – Victoria – called for the ABC to be privatised at their most recent State Conference.)

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is time the Defence forces acted in a way the ABC understands

    Blowing the office door in with a shaped charge, chucking in a couple of stun grenades and machine gunning the staff might make the point?

  28. Arthur Or

    How about just sacking them?

    not necessarily Rome type sacking, just jobless..

  29. gabrianga

    Lord Wentworth would be tarred and feathered then run out of Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs should he lay a finger on “our ABC”.

    More likely to “cross the floor” on this one as well as “Global Warming”

  30. That’s assuming that Turnbull has any interest whatsoever of holding his ABC to account. I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that he has the slightest interest in responding to the concerns of Liberal Party members.</blockquote>
    Indeed; Turnbull has no interest in responding to anyone who is rightly infuriated with the ABC’s obvious* bias.

    * obvious to anyone other than monocularly purblind, galegnathous apologists.

  31. Grrr. Up yours, blockquote function!

  32. Baldrick

    Quite obvious where the ABC takes in cues:

    The Green Left Weekly reports:
    Three asylum seekers on board another boat told Fairfax they were mistreated by navy personnel as their boat was being turned around. One was kicked in the thigh and two others were forced to put their hands on the boat’s mufflers, resulting in burns.

  33. Abraham

    Does Cat know whether Australia can renounce its ‘membership’ of the bloody UNHRC and what the implications might be for such a move?

  34. James of the Glen

    The ABC is having wet dreams about instigating some sort of low-level “clash” between RAN and Indo forces. Rubber duckies bumping into each other, that sort of thing. The resultant crescendo is all it desires to damage the government.

    Candy is right: “Mark Scott is in hiding..”. Most likely his staff has ordered him to remain in the bunker as its members continue their campaign. An inquiry into his part and approval of their sedition will be needed. $800,000 per annum for this unprofessional rubbish from Scott is beyond belief.

  35. Token

    Lord Wentworth would be tarred and feathered then run out of Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs should he lay a finger on “our ABC”.

    Sigh.

    He is the responsible minister and even a dope like him would understand what the consequences will be if the ABC can manufacture a violent reaction in Indonesia through a series of fabricated stories.

  36. incoherent rambler

    Abbott ploy to ‘inflame’ Jakarta split
    Call for climate change to be taught in schools

    How long before the ABC reports the above Fairfax headlines as:

    Reliable sources disclose Abbott ploy to ‘inflame’ Jakarta split
    Community demands climate change to be taught in schools
    ?

    Fairfax and the ABC are playing a tag team game.

  37. motherhubbard'sdog

    The problem with the ABC is that they belong to the Joe Stalin school of history – only the present and future are fixed, the past can always be changed.

  38. The Pugilist

    Royal commission – Does Australia a national broadcaster with todays technology and have the ABC and SBS been systemically biased towards politicians who favour state ownership of resources, namely the ALP, Demcorats and Greens?

    Now.

    Do we really need an expensive royal commission to tell us this – the findings of which will be demonised as a witch hunt anyway? Just do away with it and be done with it.

    I used to listen to News Radio in the mornings and watch insiders. That was the extent of my use of the service. I used to find myself getting enraged in the shower every morning as I listened to the *cough* news *cough* reader used to chat to the leading lights of the canberra press gallery – Phil Coorey, Malcolm Farr, Paul Bongiorno, etc. – decry the horrible treatment of the magnificent Rudd/Gillard regime and the nasty opposition led by that ruffian Mr Rabbit during the week. Then I’d torture myself with Insiders on a Sunday morning…after Bolt left to host his own show (and presumably Barry and the collective got sick of having their ar$es handed to them), I almost gave it up, but when Glenn Milne was sacked from Insiders I stopped listening or watching anything to do with the ABC out of principle. You know what? My mood improved dramatically and I became a far more pleasant person. The ABC is bad for your mental health…

  39. .

    Arthur,

    A linebacker vs quarterback sacking may be appropriate for the truly recalcitrant.

  40. lotocoti

    It is time the Defence forces acted in a way the ABC understands

    Ten rounds of 5″ and three repeats for effect.

  41. .

    Do we really need…?

    I propose a blue-ribbon commission of experts, …

  42. Toiling Mass

    How can the Indo police version back up the country shoppers version of events when their version comes from the country shoppers?

  43. Andrew

    Call for climate change to be taught in schools

    It would have to be in history class. Anyone who began kindergarten in Jan 2001 has seen global cooling throughout their entire school careers, and graduated their HSC this year with a colder planet.

    And that’s after all the decline-hiding in any temp set you care to name. Satellites had Nov showing plunging temp, and then HadCRUT4 interpolated a mild Moscow and UHI to a sweltering Siberia as far as Alaska, pronouncing it Hottest Evah.

  44. Alfonso

    This is great. Our generally handwringing CAGWarming believer Tone is being given justification upon justification to act on Their ABC as a taxpayer funded runner of Green left agitprop.
    Excellent.

  45. boof

    Abbotts biggest mistake was not giving Lord Wentworth a permanent seat on the back bench, his second biggest mistake was to give him the ABC, insane giving your enemy a propaganda outfit. As for the NBN it is already redundant as wireless technology has trumped it.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Given the court case between Timor Leste and Australia yesterday, I would say there is abundant justification for ASIO to pay a call to the ABC, remove their computers and have a nice long look at them for material prejudicial to Australian interests which has been obtained from a certain retired spy.

    See how they like their hard drives being gone through with fine tooth comb. The leaks would be great fun and probably very painful. And very useful in the Royal Commission which would inevitably occur thereafter.

  47. Eliza

    This week we have the over the top lefty David Marr doing the midday interview on ABC Classic FM, which in my opinion says it all about the leanings of this tax paying monolith. This radio station is for classical music and one hour of hopefully interesting interviews but has gradually become another political weapon for the ABC.
    Also let us not forget SBS. If they could stick to soccer, cycling and world news that would be good but their left programs are too numerous to write about and as for their porn!

  48. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    The Hon Comrade Member for Doctors’ Wives and Holding the Line until the Glorious Return to Power – he’s not doing his job, Spigelman’s not doing his job, Scott’s not doing his job, the news manager is not doing his job, the girls in public relations (right now busily crafting hyperbole about Abbott666′s latest attack on a free press) are not doing their job – but all of ‘em will line up at the pay office today and be handed their pay packet.

    I see the ABC campaign manager was in close consultation with the Hooman Rights Commission girlie this week, getting the terminology properly aligned for her official charges against the captain’s cabin boy for scalding illegal reffos and Morrison for cooking their kiddies in death camps.

    She was onto Rintoul too, having him run some well placed lines on TV News and she had the UN threatening invasion for breach of their sensitivities about who should be prime minister.

    Their ABC is on a roll and it is not going to change. If they believe a declaration of war by Indonesia is the only way to go then so it shall be.

    They are well aware the only sanction they will hear is Joe Average with a frustrated outburst on a blog and the off button, which doesn’t matter ‘cos that won’t affect their billion and a bit gift next year either.

  49. Viva

    Sections of the left are prepared to believe that Bush was behind 9/11 – why be surprised? Moir’s cartoons in the SMH highlight the crudity of their perceptions of the Abbott government and conservatives in general..

  50. Tom

    Bishop should simply call her own inquiry, to be conducted by an ex-judge over the next month, that reviews video shot by the RAN and takes statements by the seamen and commanders involved. The report will become strike two against the ABC for unprofessional conduct after Abbott’s earlier assessment of the ABC’s indefensible behaviour in offering itself as a megaphone for a commercial media organisation to damage the Australian national interest and the relationship with Indonesia. Mark Scott will be out of the building before 2014 is over. So should the news director, Kate Torney, who has surrendered to the visceral urge to use her organisational output to attempt to kill a political enemy of the ABC rather than get to the truth of the illegal immigration story.

  51. JakartaJaap

    ABC – scumbags and hondenneuquers

  52. Alfonso

    As for Marty’s (?) threat that Indonesian fighter aircraft can “reach” Australia….bwaaa, the RAAF has complete air superiority technically and numerically over Indo’s poorly trained, almost non air refuelled, almost non airborne radar’d Airforce.

  53. Craig Mc

    Apparently, Morrison is doooooooomed!

    Is it wrong of me to get so much comedy pleasure from lefties’ stupid opinions? I can’t wait for Victoria Rollinson to chip in.

  54. Dr Faustus

    Indonesia has a rather crudly utilitarian political relationship with Australia. Anyone who has dealt with Indonesian business, or government will recognise that the SBY Administration is following the basic Negotiate with Indonesians playbook:

    1) Create, or amplify a ‘problem’ caused by a fundamental position on the other side;
    2) Express regretful dissapointment that the ‘problem’ will surely cause the main deal to become impossible;
    3) Extract a concession to soothe the ‘problem’ – but don’t settle and move on;
    4) Refer back to 1) at each subsequent negotiating tight spot.

    The ABC doing a teriffic job in support of the Indonesian side of the table here. What could be better than having Australia’s national broadcaster vigorously working on step 2)?

  55. Tom

    Their ABC is on a roll and it is not going to change.

    Correct, Mick. They know they should stop, but they can’t because doing what they’re doing feels so good. It’s visceral. It all comes back to this on October 31, 2013, which was their signal to go absolutely headless in their rage against the AbbottSatan Regime:

    In the interview conducted as Mr Abbott flew home from Afghanistan, the Prime Minister ruled out any significant changes to the ABC, despite pressure from some conservatives to either privatise it or pare back its funding.

    “Being a traditionalist and a conservative, you wouldn’t expect me to radically change the ABC,” Mr Abbott said. “I think strong management and a strong board would produce the best possible ABC.’’

    But he was sensitive to the concerns of private news organisations which are struggling to compete in an expanding world against a taxpayer-funded rival. Mr Abbott indicated there would be no more money for the ABC to keep expanding its news platforms.

    “They’ve got to keep to their charter and they can’t expect extra money for new projects that take them into new ground,” he said.

  56. Alfonso

    “They’ve got to keep to their charter “…
    Abbott’s first lie…..they don’t have to and they know they don’t have to.

  57. gabrianga

    Token “responsible Minister” Lord Wentworth was the “responsible Leader of Opposition” when willing to cross the floor to join Rudd on “Global Warming”.

    I seem to remember it was cartoonist Bill Leak who suggested that Turnbull would make a good Labor PM(or so the story goes).

    Richo and Sussex St. obviously disagreed.

  58. Fibro

    Methinks Tony has actually got a good plan going here and just let them stew in their own juices. I think he would be even happier if they went more left/green/antiAUS/climate/gay etc.

    Reasoning? Probably 50% of of ALPBC viewers will never change their Abbott666 viewpoint- too indoctrinated, work in zero output government jobs, hold a union ticket and claim welfare.

    The other 50% who have a brain who are watching the ALPBC will slowly start to wake up to the bias and the distortions and the crap and hit the remote.

    As the ratings go south, the public pressure to privatise or scale back funding will go north. It is all in the numbers and Tony is just doing what the public want.

  59. H B Bear

    Kate Torney Director News NSW F $350,394

    You can bet Marty Natalegawa’s actual media advisor isn’t even on a fifth of that sum.

  60. Dan

    #1164921, posted on January 24, 2014 at 9:04 am
    OK, so they’re plainly ‘reporting’ fabrications as fact.

    At the very least, shouldn’t certain heads at the ALPBC be rolling over this?

    FFS, this new government are a bunch of softcocks.

    This is an issue that the government needs to hammer home every five minutes, purely for the media cycle. That an organisation is broadcasting shit about our defense forces requires no quarter. The left may be the vocal minority, but coming into Australia Day, the approach of denunciation will go down nicely with the majority of voters.

  61. Tom

    We’re actually into a very weird psychosexual primal space here, in my opinion. The ABC will not stop escalating its attacks on the AbbottSatan regime until AbbottSatan ritually slaughters the ABC. The left actually want bloodshed to settle this. St Patrick’s Day, March 17, will probably be it:

    No matter how it happened or who is to blame, the sad reality is that we as a nation have been inflicted with a self-serving excuse for a government. The country has completely unravelled under the Abbott Government and until now, we’ve felt utterly powerless against his will.

    Based on their belief in unchallengeable power, Abbott led his campaign with lies and scare-tactics. Now that they hold the reins, they have broken promises and systematically torn apart long-standing and successful policies as quickly as they possibly could. This frenzied attack on our own country has done nothing to benefit anyone other than the rich – those who need assistance least of all.

  62. candy

    He is the responsible minister and even a dope like him would understand what the consequences will be if the ABC can manufacture a violent reaction in Indonesia through a series of fabricated stories.

    Perhaps Malcolm Turnbull just doesn’t grasp the consequences and is just not suited to the communications portfolio at all. I always thought the arts etc. type of portfolio was more appropriate for him.

  63. H B Bear

    Meanwhile George Roberts and the crew at the Green-Left Weekly Radio Hour formerly known as AM are going to have trouble fanning these flames,

    TIM PALMER: The Indonesian foreign minister Marty Natalagawa again.

    George, what’s happening with the Indonesian police headquarters investigation of those claims by a group of asylum seekers that they were abused during their contact with the Australian Navy?

    GEORGE ROBERTS: The headquarters in Jakarta have told us that they can’t really take it any further and they can’t confirm whether this happened in Indonesian waters, so they say their hands are tied effectively. They’re suggesting they can only pass it on to the international crime organisation, Interpol. They also say that they think that it should be the domain of the United Nations Refugee Agency to investigate this.

    So George … err … they’ve got nothing?

  64. Toiling Mass

    Unfortunately a lot of people are simply unaware of the level of bias in the ABC. They likely only occassionally watch the ABC, hear bits and pieces on the radio, and see its latest line reflected in blaring headlines of the ShakeMyHead propped up against the wall outside the newsagency. They enjoy watching some of those interesting British shows and have no recollection of the all those shows they don’t bother with.

    When asked to have an opinion about whether it is trustworthy they can’t think of any reason not to believe it is.

    To take on the ABC is taking on a large public which thinks it largely blameless.

    Abbott can’t really just take it comprehensively on (much to my annoyance) until the public sees it is a poxy organisation. Whether that requires a royal commission which opens up a can of worms, or they disgrace themselves enough by themselves.

    And that is just the can’t bit, without even considering the won’t bit.

  65. Jazza

    For the public funded broadcaster, this effort is very close to treasonous.
    IF we had a Minister worth his oney in charge, theyw would be asked to “please explain” and in person from the Chairman down the chain to the actual “news” reader.
    Damned disgusting behaviour for anyone on the public payroll to be so anti Australian, especially when the same mob went to lengths to explain when challenged by individuals about NOT reporting any of the AWU/WRA scandal, that there were only unsubstantiated rumours and nothing clearly provable alleged against Ms Gillard so the ABC didn’t deal in it!!
    I recall a statement that many used about Rudd in 2007 prior to the election,those of us whohahd woken up he was a Teflon Man–” I have clear values and if you don’t like them I can find more”
    The ABC has way out green left values but doesn’t balk at pretending to be balanced–bleeding barefaced socialist/ communist hypocrites the lot of them.

  66. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From . at 9:17 am:

    “These are very blatant examples of taxpayer funded, left wing bias.

    Royal commission …

    Now.”

    Royal Commission Schmishhummm! Neville Wran said, accurately, one doesn’t call an enquiry unless one is certain of its result.

    We have a judiciary and a legal profession with rock solid allegiance to Labor ‘cos they feed them generously when they are in power and offer them fabulously secure jobs with no sackings ever. Labor has been in power everywhere forever and they own the judiciary lock stock and barrel.

    They got so blasé about their grip on the top judicial spots that they could spare a favourite son to head the ABC board, without weakening the NSW bench.

    What is an enquiry going to offer?

    A tidy unexpected retirement bonus to some old judge, such as Beattie gave carpet bagger Whistler Street, to deliver the decision he ordered on Palm Island. Make work opportunities on the taxpayer dollar for the big half dozen law practices, with big fat files and big fat platoons of lawyers to defend the Minister against the government, the ABC against the Minister, the Navy against the ABC, Reffos R Us against government policy, government policy against the UN and a final report for each, at a significant extra cost over the quoted fee, for a mission statement and practice manual ensuring such a thing can never happen again (I like that claim – a meaningless promise made following every incident everywhere, for which there is never a post audit).

    What are bloody ministers for, and Naval chiefs? Are they incapable of writing an honest report, signing it as objective fact and passing it up the line? … “I have conducted an investigation, summary details of which are attached, and I have concluded that there is no case to answer. My recommendation is no further action.” Is that so tortuously difficult?

    I know the answer, offered to me by Richo in Burwood Westfield in about ’99. I’d met him before through common Labor Party contacts. In conversation I asked him about some State minister stupidly devolving responsibility for a decision to some committee or other and his answer was to the effect “The people clamoured for transparency and independence and that’s what you get, inertia.” (We then had a chuckle about whether Bob Katter’s lunacy was real or feigned).

    It’d be nice to hear a Prime Minister announce “no further discussion” on these irritating fabrications, and some sweeping life changing decisions for those who peddle them. The LNP is not going to last – the citadel Labor built is too well armed for polite warfare. They really need to enter a ruthless phase.

  67. Unfortunately a lot of people are simply unaware of the level of bias in the ABC.

    Some of them are the unreasoning, hysterical supporters of the ABC, such as “Hands Off Our ABC” (whose irrational Abbott-hate must be seen to be believed, and whose members include not a few ABC staff).

  68. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From H B Bear at 10:31 am:

    ” Kate Torney Director News NSW F $350,394

    You can bet Marty Natalegawa’s actual media advisor isn’t even on a fifth of that sum.”

    He doesn’t need to be given that all he is required to do is download the email or hit “receive” on the fax machine to access the script written for him in Harris Street, Ultimo.

  69. .

    The result I’m looking for is to shut them down, but to show the public the litany of their sins.

  70. Notafan

    No journalistic integrity at the ABC, no inkling that these travellers who were beautifully duped by our guys, were not experiencing ‘murderous rage’?
    Imagine being given the opportunity to tell story after story without challenge without any demand for precise details of who why when where or how. Just one fool clearly eager for any story that denigrated Australian armed services.
    ABC useless idiots shaming Australia.
    Who can hold them to charter?
    Take away the Australia Network. Amalgamate SBS and ABC. Trim the budget. Sack Mark Scott and hire a new broom.

  71. C.L.

    Funny how certain other difficult to verify claims – relating to a senior Labor figure – have not been broadcast on the ABC, though knowledge of them is certainly in the national interest.

  72. dover_beach

    I believe that Turnbull has just grabbed the leather jacket from his clothes rack and will clear this up in a jiffy. No really, he has.

  73. Leo G

    Sections of the left are prepared to believe that Bush was behind 9/11 – why be surprised? Moir’s cartoons in the SMH highlight the crudity of their perceptions of the Abbott government and conservatives in general..

    More psychopathy than crudity.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Shocking for these poor sailors to be accused of such things. They must feel like they’ve been raped in a toilet block at an ALP conference by a man with huge tits who goes on to become leader of the party.

  75. Cold-Hands

    galegnathous

    Lead (the metal) -jawed?? I haven’t come across this before.

  76. Dan

    #1165095, posted on January 24, 2014 at 11:12 am
    The result I’m looking for is to shut them down, but to show the public the litany of their sins.

    The Rabbid Government can, by hammering home the truth.

    Morrison, Bishop, Rabbid need to step up here

  77. incoherent rambler

    to show the public the litany of their sins

    So let us say there is a RC. Who do you think would report its progress and findings?
    The ABC? Commercial TV/radio? Fairfax?
    The left wing media would just say that it is a witch hunt.

  78. Gab

    It’s quite instructive that their ABC is ready, willing and able to believe these fallacious claims against our Navy. That our Navy personnel would actually carry out torture of unarmed people on the high seas.
    It reeks of their ABC projecting what they would do to conservatives.

  79. Paul

    “Does Cat know whether Australia can renounce its ‘membership’ of the bloody UNHRC and what the implications might be for such a move?”

    We could, but there are those at UNHCR and like levels who would find Australia re-asserting its National Sovereignty not to their liking, after all they haven’t come this far just to let us get away.

  80. Paul

    “Sections of the left are prepared to believe that Bush was behind 9/11″

    Sections of the Right still believe it was the Islamic Branch office of KAOS.

    The truth is out there somewhere…dancing probably.

  81. Weasel-jawed, Cold-Hands.
    (It’s my coinage.)

  82. Lysander

    On my latest gizmo, twitter, I find it funny how many people visit Scott’s page and just write “traitor” and leave it at that :-)

  83. brc

    Morrison is trolling the ABC to get them to spread the ‘boats get turned back’ story far and wide. The abc and the hand-wringers are giving endless gold-plated credibility to the now-certain fact that you won’t make it to oz on a boat. Remember Rudd ran ads in Austrlain papers with the same message and got laughed at. Morrison tells them they went into Indonesian waters – clearly something that could have been classified as operational details – and the ABC and friends went into meltdown over it. It then runs on the Austrlain network, the UN people tut tut, and so on. The country-shoppers get the message and look for easier targets. All without a single dollar spent in advertising.

    Morris is a genius at trolling the left to get them to do his bidding. As a bonus, he is showing them to be poor reporters with obvious bias. I see no downsides, at all.

  84. some of our finest citizens

    Initiation ceremonies notwithstanding.

  85. Baldrick

    ABC News Radio has a current poll:

    Are our relations with Indonesia being seriously damaged by the asylum boats issue? (currently 60% Yes)

    They’re asking the wrong question. It should read- Are our relations with Indonesia being seriously damaged by the ABC?

  86. stackja

    It’s not so much that it’s untrue that is the issue, but that the ABC wants it to be true, and in this post-modern world will do everything to turn this fiction into truth even if the events never happened.

    Reminds me of:

    Antigonish [I met a man who wasn't there]
    by Hughes Mearns
    Yesterday, upon the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there
    He wasn’t there again today
    I wish, I wish he’d go away…

    When I came home last night at three
    The man was waiting there for me
    But when I looked around the hall
    I couldn’t see him there at all!
    Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
    Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door… (slam!)
    Last night I saw upon the stair
    A little man who wasn’t there
    He wasn’t there again today
    Oh, how I wish he’d go away…
    - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/22064#sthash.ZhpoQqyQ.dpuf

    Oh, how I wish he’d the ABC go away…

  87. thefrollickingmole

    Want a little prrof of bias.

    Look at the ABCs chosen “go too” man for any allegation just a bit too extreme to take ownership of themselves.
    “Reports from “xxx” organisation” has been their cop out for wild allegations for years.

    This particular bloke has sent out dozens and dozens of fabricated and over the top claims over the last decade, and about 2 correct ones..

    Yet the ABC still uses such an unreliable source.

    I wonder what his politics are???

    Ian Rintoul: (from wiki)
    Ian Rintoul is an Australian political activist and Sydney resident, best known in Australia as a refugee advocate, and as spokesman for the Refugee Action Collective.[1][2]
    He was a longtime member of the International Socialist Organisation, but was one of a large portion of the membership who left in 2003 around the issue of that group’s involvement in the Socialist Alliance.[3] He went on to be a founding member of the organisation Solidarity in Sydney

    Any doubts as to his politics might be settled by his prior membership of the International Socialist Organisation in Australia, as reported by the Communist party of Great Britian.

    The initial 25 who have rebelled are no raw recruits. The most notable departure is that of Ian Rintoul, who was acting as an ISO national organiser. Comrade Rintoul, I have been told, fronted ISO work in the Socialist Alliance. Mark Goudkamp is a former full-timer on the Australian version of Socialist Worker and Michael Thompson is also a senior and long-standing member. He is a leading trade unionist in the National Tertiary Education Union, sitting on its national executive.

    But hey, Im sure the ABC is as impartial as its sources.

  88. Tom

    Why the ABC is headless — and will get even more headless:

    AUSTRALIA has not recorded an asylum seeker boat arrival in five weeks – the first time in five years there has been such a quiet stretch without more people filling detention centres.

    The ABC is a political organisation.

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

    (H/T Rabz)

  89. brc

    I continually get gobsmacking that people stil call eAch other comrade in this day and age. I mean, really, making up little petty, pointless oganizations and pretending to be Stalin about to send your enemies to the gulag? These people are certifiable. How is it that anyone who says anything remotely complimentary about hitler is hounded, but others pretend to be Stalin and talk bout revolutions and are just an accepted part of society – so much so that they are still part of our education system? Hitler and Stalin were both socialists and equally as evil as each other. Yet one is (rightly) condemned and the other acts as an inspiration for teachers, who go around calling each other comrade and sing the Internationale?

    Such people are more ridiculous than committed adult dungeons and dragons players.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    And heres the position of the Victorian trades hall council… Part of the ALPs’ cheerleaders.

    The Victorian Trades Hall Council supports the just and fair treatment of asylum seekers who look to Australia for protection.

    The VTHC acknowledges that seeking asylum is a human right and that many unionists have had to seek asylum from violent governments.

    Those who seek asylum should not be processed offshore and should be treated with dignity, respect and benevolence.

    Trades Hall opposes:

    mandatory detention
    the processing of asylum seekers offshore and
    condemns the detention of children.

    We advocate for work rights, Medicare rights and access to government-provided services for all asylum seekers.

    Now be sure to watch the video, nearly everything they show there was directly caused by Labour in the first place.

    They are even stupid enough to show the Christmas Island boat wreck and coffins as a “shame Australia shame” tactic.
    These people are deranged.

  91. boy on a bike

    First point – the blisters look a bit ugly, but I have had worse from rowing and fencing (shovels and oars do horrible things to soft hands). How can it be confirmed that the blisters are caused by contact with hot metal, as opposed to other means?

    Second, I’ve burned my hands on hot engines quite a few times. It’s easy to do if you aren’t paying attention – although the burns have usually been on the backs of my hands rather than the palms.

    Third, we’ve recently seen examples of illegals sewing their lips together. In the past, they’ve trashed detention centres, knocked holes in their own boats and sabotaged their engines. From now on, if a detainee shows up with lips sewn shut, do we blame the Navy?

  92. andy

    it explains it all,the abc wants it to be true,and they feel it is the sort of thing that would be true,so they use the taxpayer funded propaganda machine to sell lies as truth.

    on regional abc radio, victorian abc fiona parker was in raptures to claim that the story of the day was abbott cutting health and psycological services to refugees.she experienced the purity of the truth of this lie so fully,that she didn’t bother to fact check it before going to air.

    last night abc western victoria’s dan glover put on the abc facebook page a cheap shot at the prime minister,claiming abbott was so homophobic he couldn’t cope with seeing a pink and glittery computer mouse on an abc computer. if the abc lies often enough they ‘set the narrative’. our friends in asia that only get abc radio australia get no balance,only the lies and hate.

  93. A Lurker

    Truth/Facts and the ABC parted company a long time ago.

  94. Jarrod

    Shut it down. Sell the real estate. Leave no brick on another.

    Establish an honest Govt news service from scratch.

    Yes. Yes. Yes.

    No.

  95. thefrollickingmole

    Rabz is forgetting to salt the earth where it stood and make a pyramid of skulls from its defenders.

    But other than that a progom Id support.

    Heres an Australian defense association paper on refugees.
    Its pretty realistic and makes a good read.

    We are also naturally concerned where such operational tasking and the difficult circumstances involved place defence force personnel in undue danger from physical attack, from having to operate in sea conditions across all weathers and other environmental hazards, and from long-term psychological stress due to the working conditions and socio-political controversies involved. Including where such stresses result from inaccurate, unfair, sensationalist or defamatory criticism of defence force personnel when undertaking border protection duties

    Yet all that is happening is the same thing DOs’ went through during the Howard years, no allegation is too base to air, proof is unnecessary and there is an alphabet soup of organisations lining up to investigate each one.

    We had assistance once from the WA police during a riot, after they were accused of brutality and subjected to a 1/2 dozen investigations they flat out refused to set foot inside a detention center again. They found it impossible to operate with that level of hysterical scrutiny.

  96. candy

    The blisters look a bit ugly,

    It’s possible they were caused by rope/fishing net on the boat, friction of rope on the hands can cause burns.

  97. Foggyfig

    According to one comment on the Guardian (sorry, for some reason can’t access comment on laptop and don’t know how to c&p from my tablet) -

    ”The truth here. That you! I am actually think Marty is trying to help us out in Australia against this bully leader. Did you see the hall emptied out when Abbott got up to speak? Says it all if you ask me. A lot of people are not impressed with the way he trashed our govt and our PM Julia Gillard. Now he is PM…so unfair for the Aussies who were doing so well. So depressing! that we have been so stupid to oust a very good govt, and a modern situation for the broader Australia, for such retrograde people who believe in money and punch.

    All the drinking and brawling on Sydney street is indicative of the malaise we have been under with Abbott as opposition leader and now leader. It’s a very poor situation.

    I feel more protected by Indonesian than my country, due to what looks like higher human intelligence”

  98. thefrollickingmole

    candy
    It is easy to burn yourself on a boat with exposed exhausts, the boat rocks and you lose your balance and grab the nearest solid thing… Done it myself, as has my father…

  99. A standard argument of ABC-apologists is an example of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy: “Oh, that claim of bias”—that the ABC hypocritically won’t touch Gillard whilst calumniating Abbott, for instance, or that it pushes the pseudo-scientific conjecture of of AGW relentlessly whilst refusing to give time to sceptics thereof—“that isn’t a real example of bias; you have no evidence at all!”
    GetUp, of course, loves their ABC.

  100. Armadillo

    I am seriously worried about the alleged conduct of the RAN. I mean, there are allegations that these sailors have not only assaulted innocent people but have also tortured them. Surely, if found guilty, these people need to be purged from the defence force and the full force of the law applied. This is serious stuff indeed. If you learned of your neighbour doing the same to his wife and children, what course of action would you take?

    Can someone advise me the date that the ABC made a formal complaint/report to the AFP? This MUST be investigated. The ABC would surely be more than happy to provide all evidence, internal emails and legal advice they have. Right? These human rights warriors are only interested in these poor innocents who have been viciously attacked and are in need of justice. Right?

    As Michael Smith has demonstrated, if no complaint is lodged there can be no investigation and no justice. I ask again, on what date did the ABC lodge the report with the AFP, and when does the investigation commence?

    On a totally unrelated matter, is their a penalty for lodging a false or misleading Police Report?

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    It is easy to burn yourself on a boat with exposed exhausts

    Especially when you are trying to permanently disable the engine. Sinking it was probably Plan B.

  102. thefrollickingmole

    Armadillo

    Actually youve probably hit on the exact means of stuffing the ABC up badly on this story.

    Insist on the ABC throwing every resource they can into this “scandal” so they can beclown themselves as royally as they can.

  103. Token

    , there are allegations that these sailors have not only assaulted innocent people but have also tortured them. Surely, if found guilty, these people need to be purged from the defence force and the full force of the law applied.

    Look at what happened to Commandant Keifer. The grey eunich Smith was able to use the ABC to defame him and deny him natural justice for over a year.

    The ABC is actually inhibits the workings of the justice system.

  104. Fisky

    All the drinking and brawling on Sydney street is indicative of the malaise we have been under with Abbott as opposition leader and now leader. It’s a very poor situation.

    I feel more protected by Indonesian than my country, due to what looks like higher human intelligence”

    Hahahahahha! They really are mentally ill.

  105. Armadillo

    Frolicker, exactly right. It exposes this mobs true MO. People need to ask the ABC why they are not persuing this ‘national disgrace’ via the legal system. I demand justice be done – to these hypocrites at the ABC that is.

  106. Alf

    You mean, Steve, like reporting everything the previous opposition said almost without question? Why does it only bother you when it applies to the other side?

  107. feelthebern

    Alf, you are a leech.
    If the same standard was applied, the AWU affair would have been #1 story on the ABC for the last 3 years.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    All the drinking and brawling on Sydney street is indicative of the malaise we have been under with Abbott as opposition leader and now leader. It’s a very poor situation.

    Wow. If this isn’t parody then I would pay $100 an hour to listen to this loon on any subject.

  109. Token

    All the drinking and brawling on Sydney street is indicative of the malaise we have been under with Abbott as opposition leader and now leader. It’s a very poor situation.

    The word “malaise” has been popular with the lefty borg hivemind. It is a “tell” when someone pitches up here to regurgitate the talking points.

  110. Mr Rusty

    All the drinking and brawling on Sydney street is indicative of the malaise we have been under with Abbott as opposition leader and now leader. It’s a very poor situation.

    I feel more protected by Indonesian than my country, due to what looks like higher human intelligence”

    –Hahahahahha! They really are mentally ill.

    Normally, I laugh at the mental comments of the left but we’re starting to cross lines here, it’s going beyond wishful thinking, blind loyalty and tantys. There are some seriously mentally deranged people out there amongst the left and they are now just feeding each other and beating each other off into orgasms of hatred. This day of protest in March will be just one gigantic orgy of conservative hate, the premise for holding it are just as loony, the hyperbole used is delusional and dangerous; “the country has completely unravelled”, “powerless against his will”, “torn apart”, “frenzied attack”.
    I read things like this with visions of Australia Day 2012 and hordes of bloodthirsty Abo’s baying for Abbott blood after being wound up by a little lie told by one person. What is currently being produced and consumed by the rancid left is on a far greater scale and to a lot more people. Add-in the derangement and a sprinkle of mental illness and the constant reinforcement from the ABC, Fairfax, Facebook, Twitter, and the regressives desire for Abbott to be one-term PM could very well come true, but not in the way many are imagining…

  111. Viva

    More psychopathy than crudity.

    Yes – have often felt that Moir’s cartoons revealed hyper paranoid ideation.

  112. Infidel Tiger

    There’s a good chance that an Australian judge would consider “under the influence of Abbott” a mitigating excuse.

  113. candy

    There are some seriously mentally deranged people out there amongst the left and they are now just feeding each other and beating each other off into orgasms of hatred.

    I agree it’s in a sphere of its own. Perhaps they are lonely people who feel very bitter about life.

    Just wondering, Mr Rusty, what did your last sentence mean, if you don’t mind explaining it to me please?

  114. A Lurker

    I think Candy, that Mr Rusty is implying that some crazed Leftist might actually try to harm Tony Abbott.

    Most Leftists I think are just full of piss and smelly wind – but given the amount of blatant pushing and egging on by the ABC, elements of the media, and social media, one or two deranged individuals might actually decide to cross the line.

    Mind you, if they did, then I think they’d have most of mainstream Australia baying for their blood.

  115. Mr Rusty

    Just wondering, Mr Rusty, what did your last sentence mean, if you don’t mind explaining it to me please?

    That a deranged green left loony will become Australia’s Lee Harvey Oswald and TA the JFK.

    Gaiaism (if that’s even a word) is starting to give radical Islam a run for it’s money – they actually believe the Earth is doomed; loons with “nothing to lose” are the most extreme.
    Like I said, just picture TA inside that restaurant on 26/01/2012 and replace the Abo’s with Socialist Alliance / Greeny fringe freaks all trying to out-do each other in the “compassion” stakes. I reckon there’s more than one of them looking to trump Jonathan Moylan and be a martyr for “the cause”, particularly given all the recent death-blows to the CAGW scam.

  116. candy

    Thanks Mr Rusty and A Lurker.
    I guess that’s how this sort of thing could happen, one deranged mind just tips over, set off by constant exposure to a lot of hate stuff in the media.

  117. cynical1

    ‘The VTHC acknowledges that seeking asylum is a human right and that many workers have had to seek asylum from violent gangster standover merchants from the Unions.’

    Fixed..

  118. Leigh Lowe

    Second, I’ve burned my hands on hot engines quite a few times. It’s easy to do if you aren’t paying attention – although the burns have usually been on the backs of my hands rather than the palms.

    True.
    Try this home experiment.
    Try to force someone to touch something with the palms of their hands without touching the object yourself with some part of your hands.

  119. Alf

    the AWU affair would have been #1 story on the ABC for the last 3 years.

    That was a big story in all the media, including the ABC. Selective amnesia?

  120. H B Bear

    That was a big story in all the media, including the ABC. Selective amnesia?

    Flamin’ mongrels. Another one.

  121. James of the Glen

    “That was a big story in all the media, including the ABC. Selective amnesia?”

    What drivel. The ABC had reported Gillard’s “I did nothing wrong” evasions from many months ago and nothing of the significant work of the Major Fraud Squad of the Victoria Police or recent court decisions and comments.

    Selective disingenuity, Alfy?

  122. Andrew

    Add-in the derangement and a sprinkle of mental illness and the constant reinforcement from the ABC, Fairfax, Facebook, Twitter, and the regressives desire for Abbott to be one-term PM could very well come true, but not in the way many are imagining…

    Quite so. There were Facebook pages calling for his assassination within days. False reports of ripping up the GB Reef (leftists are unimaginably gullible). The torture reports. The Greens blaming every current and future fire and hurricane on him, implying they’re all entirely avoidable if we just remain the only country in the world with a substantial carbon price. Yes, I can see it.

  123. From an ABC employee on Facebook:

    Such a calculating, manipulative, liar, yet in such full knowledge of the truth when he lied, Abbott is the very definition of the term, “not a fit and proper person to hold office under The Crown.” He should not just resign, he should be sacked for his calculated lies, and held to account for deliberately, and in self-interest, misleading the Australian people.
    […]
    Hitler was more discrete [!] than this lot.
    […]
    The best initiative in news gathering in decades. The ABC’s Fact Checking Unit.
    […]
    For all the politics and in-fighting, Labor under Rudd and Gillard are the only government to even come close to the reformist legislative record set by E. G. Whitlam in the 70s. Australians though, being as dumb as rocks, believed the lying scumbag, Abbott, over the recorded, independently verified truth, now we all pay the price for that stupidity. Abbott’s lies about Australia’s economic position are unconscionable, fraudulent and make him anything but a fit and proper person to hold office under The Crown.

    Bias? What Bias?

  124. Aristogeiton

    Deadman
    #1165482, posted on January 24, 2014 at 6:14 pm
    From an ABC employee on Facebook:

    This dumb prick needs to:

    1) learn to use the comma; and
    2) learn to structure an argument.

  125. candy

    If the AWU / Julia Gillard scandal was Tony Abbott instead, he would have had no choice but to stand down, it would have been impossible for him to go on as PM.

    That’s the difference between how ALP and Libs are treated by the ABC. In fact, I can’t think what a Labor PM would have to do to reach that stage, as far as the ABC goes.

  126. Alf

    What drivel. The ABC had reported Gillard’s “I did nothing wrong” evasions from many months ago and nothing of the significant work of the Major Fraud Squad of the Victoria Police or recent court decisions and comments.

    Really? You mean the stories you can find if you read Pickering or Michael Smith of The Oz? Do you seriously thin the ABC would allow itself to miss such a huge story? Let’s see what happens with the alleged fraud, if there is substance it will be reported – no news organisation would want to miss it.

  127. JMH

    Too bad this “employee” didn’t have the balls to leave their name, Deadman.

    Kill the seditious, treacherous, socialist-infested behemoth now Messrs. Abbott, Hockey and Turnbull.

    Mr. Turnbull, you have till just after the May Budget to grow a spine and gut the ABC. Should you choose not to comply with this directive from an absolutely crapped-off taxpayer, then perhaps you should seek a seat somewhere else – such as up-the-back until the next election.

    Mr. Abbott, take note. Australians who care are watching closely. Turnbull must lift his game – or cross the floor and join the Socialist rabble led by Dolly.

  128. JC

    Really? You mean the stories you can find if you read Pickering or Michael Smith of The Oz? Do you seriously thin the ABC would allow itself to miss such a huge story? Let’s see what happens with the alleged fraud, if there is substance it will be reported – no news organisation would want to miss it.

    Lol.. Fuck off.

  129. brc

    The weird thing is that Gillard really did lie. She destroyed her pm ship from it, so bad her own party threw her out. So the leftists see that bring a liar destroys a pm and so they relentlessly call Abbott a liar, as though it was Gillards critics calling her a liar that did her in – but all the yells of Juliar would have fell flat had she not lied about the carbon tax.

    So the yell and rant and call Abbott a liar, despite him following the exact course of action he flagged before taking office. And then wonder why nobody is listening to them.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Australians though, being as dumb as rocks

    There you are, taxpayers of Australia. That’s what your A.B.C.thinks of you.

  131. Too bad this “employee” didn’t have the balls to leave their name, Deadman.

    His name is on Facebook, JMH; I’m the one (too charitably, perhaps) protecting his name; and he has worked for the ABC for 25 years, I believe, as a sound-guy. When he lived in here Hobart he wasn’t quite so dogmatic but, since moving to Melbourne, he seems to have nestled deeply into a community of group-thinking Leunig-lovers.

  132. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Alf at 6:28 pm :

    You are lying through your teeth mate. Go out the back and find a bone or something – anything, something better matched to your abilities. You cannot spell properly either.

  133. JMH

    Thanks for that, Deadman. I don’t bother with the Twitterati and Facebookers but I’m glad you have the measure of this moron.

    I’m sure you have it all filed away for future reference.

  134. incoherent rambler

    From what I hear, Alfie only has to wait another three weeks and then he will be able to go and watch one of his folk heroes try to defend themselves in a court of law.

  135. I suggested to our PM, by way I twitter, that he should sack the seditious Mark Scott and instead appoint me to head the ABC; furthermore, I am willing to do the rather easy job (of watching telly, instructing ABC staff to obey their charter, and sacking partisan incompetents) for a mere fifty grand a year, thereby saving the taxpayers $750,000 p.a.

  136. JMH

    Deadman – you have my full support to take over the role from the useless grub, Scott.

    Too bad there seems to be a shortage of gonads there with Abbott and co. I like the idea of Scott Morrison taking over the ABC portfolio. Should that ever eventuate, we might see some positive, constructive action.

    Morrison is the man of the year and a Liberal to watch in my view.

  137. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Really? You mean the stories you can find if you read Pickering or Michael Smith of The Oz? Do you seriously thin the ABC would allow itself to miss such a huge story? Let’s see what happens with the alleged fraud, if there is substance it will be reported – no news organisation would want to miss it.

    I think we’ve found one of those 30% of voters who thought gillard was the ant’s pants right to the very end.

    One wonders how they manage to get dressed each morning. If indeed they do.

    A message to all those service personnel in peril on the sea: love your work, 110% behind you.

  138. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    From what I hear, Alfie only has to wait another three weeks and then he will be able to go and watch one of his folk heroes try to defend themselves in a court of law.

    Please god make it so.

  139. rafiki

    Fibro at 10.29am makes a good point: “As the ratings go south, the public pressure to privatise or scale back funding will go north”. Abbott needs to wait a bit and plan carefully. One matter should be noted. Mid 2014 the ABC loses its access to BBC programs, and there will be a significant switch to Foxtel. I suspect the ABC is counting on a budget-blocking exercise by the Labor/Greens alliance. The success of the Abbott/Morrison boat policies makes this tactic a bit less likely to succeed, and this is driving the ABC mad.
    The silliest comment I have seen is from the fatuous Greg Barns, who claims that Morrison “prepared to cover up alleged assaults by navy personnel”. It is nonsense to speak of covering up an allegation. It’s been made and can’t be covered up. All that the fact of it being made proves is that it was made. In the circumstances it is of no probative value that it is true. Barns is not game enough to say that it is true, but that is what he must mean unless he is deliberately talking nonsense.

  140. H B Bear

    Gillard’s entire career has been desperately covering up her incompetence through union patronage.

    Go back and read the Slugs & Grubs exit interview as the young and naive socialist was effectively thrown out of the partnership. Nothing changed.

  141. Tom

    Do you seriously thin(k) the ABC would allow itself to miss such a huge story?

    EEEEEEEEeeeeeeeerrrrrraaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

  142. Andrew

    Abbott666 doesn’t need to do anything to the GreenBC. All he needs to do is reopen the corrupt Australia Network tender. It was a Soviet-style election. GreenBC will lose – their client (Bishop666) hates their work. If their tender was so bad that twice Con-job couldn’t force the most compliant PS in history to find that they “won” it must have been really shocking.

    $200m comes out of GreenBC. Anyone think the service cost them $200m? It was almost total synergy – rebroadcasting the same news and other shit they run all day. So basically $150m of savings need to be found from the luvvies. Then even St Malcolm of Wentworth would have to acknowledge that without the contract, they can’t justify funding at levels when they were operating AusNet. So many luvvies go – and their grubbiness is roughly proportional to their salary. No cutscutscuts at all – they simply lose a commercial tender.

  143. Bons

    The Chief of Navy has done a surprisingly good job in spiking this tosh. But what we need is for one of the sailors who was there to express his opinion of the ABC’s bullshit in sailors’ language.
    It could happen, sailors are not known for the reticence.

  144. Notafan

    Why do luvvies always point to the passing of voluminous quantities of legislation as a major achievement?
    It’s not.

  145. Alf

    From what I hear, Alfie only has to wait another three weeks and then he will be able to go and watch one of his folk heroes try to defend themselves in a court of law.

    Let’s see in three weeks then. I know where I’m putting my money. Good to see JC’s back with an insightful comment – the little bloke is a broken record.

  146. JohnA

    For Outraged and Walter Plinge:
    [KoKo] ” Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
    All centuries but this, and every country but his own;

    They’d none of ‘em be missed, they’d none of ‘em be missed!”

  147. JohnA

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha #1164961, posted on January 24, 2014 at 9:29 am

    It is time the Defence forces acted in a way the ABC understands

    Blowing the office door in with a shaped charge, chucking in a couple of stun grenades and machine gunning the staff might make the point?

    They could sub-contract to Chuck Norris, Duck Dynasty or Mythbusters, if they didn’t want to do it themselves. Otherwise a good way to begin negotiations – from a position of strength.

  148. candy

    Why do luvvies always point to the passing of voluminous quantities of legislation as a major achievement?

    There was a lot of skiting about passing masses of legislation in the Gillard government, yet now ALP are blocking all legislation, so far.
    I’m hard pressed to work what Labor’s priorities are in this sense, whether they blocking everything in the national interest or just because they lost government.

  149. JohnA

    Bons #1165625, posted on January 24, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    The Chief of Navy has done a surprisingly good job in spiking this tosh. But what we need is for one of the sailors who was there to express his opinion of the ABC’s bullshit in sailors’ language.
    It could happen, sailors are not known for the reticence.

    [Bo'sun (of HMS Pinafore)] Dick Deadeye, if you go for to infuriate this here ship’s company too far, I won’t answer for being able to hold ’em in. I’m shocked! that’s what I am – shocked!

  150. tomix

    @ the frolicking mole at 12.28pm

    Ian Rintoul: (from wiki)
    Ian Rintoul is an Australian political activist and Sydney resident, best known in Australia as a refugee advocate, and as spokesman for the Refugee Action Collective.[1][2]
    He was a longtime member of the International Socialist Organisation, but was one of a large portion of the membership who left in 2003 around the issue of that group’s involvement in the Socialist Alliance.[3] He went on to be a founding member of the organisation Solidarity in Sydney

    From memory: Ian Rintoul was the shed presidentat Dinmore Meatworks Qld c. 1977-78

  151. Alfonso

    Tears before bedtime for Alfie. Seems Gillard has a difficulty with the allegedly fraudulent POA charge allegedly pending. She was allegedly not in Perth when she witnessed the POA .
    A guilty plea, a refusal by the establishment to prosecute “in the public interest”‘ or an ex Labor preselection candidate and Labor lawyer judge seem the only escape, possum. I’m as shocked by these developments as any comrade out there.

  152. boy on a bike

    From an ABC employee on Facebook:

    I’m sure the ABC has a room at the entry turnstiles where employees check their personal opinions in for the day.

    Bugger – think I just gave myself a hernia from laughing so hard.

  153. Yorky

    I asked George Roberts via Twitter if he could perhaps file a real story on how penniless Somali’s enter Indonesia rather than the burns beat-up and his puff pieces on ice-skating in Djakarta.
    No reply was the answer.
    Not sure if young George is up to it.

  154. tomix

    From memory: Ian Rintoul was the shed presidentat Dinmore Meatworks Qld c. 1977-78

    Industrial disputes with SCI [Smorgon Consolidated Industries] was continuous during that time and resulted in frequent “homers” and “days off in protest”. Rintoul led the 1,000 plus AMIEU members out on strike in 1978 and the strike became a lockout. Can’t recall the issue, but existing contracts had been fulfilled and the employers at the time preferred a strike during quiet periods to shutting down and losing their skilled labour.
    After 9 weeks out, SCI offered to reopen the plant without Ian Rintoul. Offer accepted.

    Something similar happened at Mt. Isa in 1964 and the strike lasted 12 months.

    Anyway, he went on to bigger and better things. The Australian newspaper also presents Rintoul as an honest broker on illegal entry from Java.

  155. Tel

    Fibro at 10.29am makes a good point: “As the ratings go south, the public pressure to privatise or scale back funding will go north”. Abbott needs to wait a bit and plan carefully.

    I think there’s a good chance that Abbott understands how rat cunning operates. After all, he’s been sitting and studying it for how many years now?

  156. Carpe Jugulum

    But what we need is for one of the sailors who was there to express his opinion of the ABC’s bullshit in sailors’ language.
    It could happen, sailors are not known for the reticence.

    Bons – members of the ships company are not permitted to talk directly to the media. However, a concerned father , mother or sibling could do so on their behalf.

  157. incoherent rambler

    a concerned father , mother or sibling could do so on their behalf

    That is a fast route to finding yourself stepping over land mines in some far away hell.

  158. mareeS

    Mr Rusty #1165406 raises an important point, because the idea is out there within the ranks of deranged lunatics.

    If they could do what they did on Australia Day 2012, they could take it a step further.

    The spouse and I were in the USA, having a quiet beer and a sandwich in New Orleans, when the screen flashed with the news that President Reagan had been shot. The place fell silent and people actually started crying. They had a few previous experiences.

    I don’t want that ever to happen in Australia.

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