‘Quadrant and Nazis, same thing really’: The taxpayer pays for this

Joe, let me end with a very simple (perhaps brutal) analogy. I hope this goes to the heart of the debate raised about whether poems should be judged on merit, or whether they should be judged also on their political context. Let’s imagine we are in Germany in the 1930s. We are writing what we think are good poems, free of any overt political substance, and we decide to send them to the “Nazi Literary Weekly” for publication, because the poetry editor loves poetry and everyone thinks he is going to win the Nobel Prize and so they all suck up to him in order to gain the satisfaction of feeling that they are being ordained by the holy poet. The Big Poet publishes the poems and everyone feels nice. Nevertheless, and this is the crux, history will shine its irrevocable truth upon the poets who submitted their poems to the “Nazi Literary Weekly” and they will be forever stained by the association.

Have you heard of the German philosopher Martin Heidegger? Heidegger’s philosophy is certainly wonderful and extremely influential and should be considered “on its merits” in the same way people argue that poetry should simply be judged “on its merits”. And yet, Heidegger joined the Nazi party and his reputation, and the reputation of his philosophy, is forever stained by the association.

So you can say whatever you like about how wonderful it is to be published by Les Murray (those of us who know also know that this is not what it seems!!) the fact remains that those who choose to publish in Quadrant will be forever stained by the association (or by being published in Overland, depending on your perspective). You need to get over the adrenaline rush of seeing your name in print, and start thinking about where you want to see your name in print, and what it means.

This is not about limiting freedom of expression. We are in a free society and anyone can start any kind of magazine they like and publish what they want. What this is about is editorial responsibility and making ethical decisions about how and where you chose to publish.

No more correspondence will be entered into. Bye!

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71 Responses to ‘Quadrant and Nazis, same thing really’: The taxpayer pays for this

  1. YT

    I just read the article linked and my first reaction was rage. How dare does some self-styled academic compare Quadrant to Nazi Germany? Does that mean he wants conservatives to start wearing a symbol, to identify themselves in a way so it is easier to identify them as Untermenschen?

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    All contributors to Quadrant, all IPA donors and Andrew Bolt will be sent to the work camps on Macquarie Island when the glorious Green-Progressive revolution comes.

    They know what is needed to save the world from all wrong thinking extremists (ie anyone to the right of Philip Adams) and they will let nothing stop them from achieving Utopia for the masses (ie them).

    Also the book Animal Farm will be banned.

  3. cuckoo

    Have you heard of the German philosopher Martin Heidegger?

    Condescending little snot, isn’t he? Well to be fair, Joe might have confused him with the NASCAR driver Martin Heidegger. To say nothing of the goalkeeper for Bayern Munich. And looking at some of Minter’s own work, I can’t believe anyone is still writing like that. That’s the kind of crap Ern Malley was invented to make fun of, back in the 1940s.

  4. rickw

    I must be the most stupid employer in history.

    Yet again I find another pompous and historically challenged arsehole in my employment.

    I am an Australian Taxpayer.

  5. ACTOldFart

    I just have to ask, why isn’t Tim Wilson all over this like a bad case of sunburn? If he wants to establish his credentials in defence of free expression, this is as good an issue as any.

    It would also make a pointed lesson to the luvvie left that some of the institutions behind which they have hidden for so long, are now changing, and are now willing to challenge their orthodoxies, rather than maintaining the mutual admiration, reinforcement and complacency.

  6. stackja

    Overland, over and out.

  7. Sorry, but the first person to mention the Nazis loses …

    because the poetry editor loves poetry and everyone thinks he is going to win the Nobel Prize and so they all suck up to him in order to gain the satisfaction of feeling that they are being ordained by the holy poet.

    And here we have the crux of the matter. This is nothing more than the green eyed monster. No one in a million years is going to nominate the poetry editor of Overland for anything – or at least anything related to actual merit or achievement.

  8. And here’s everything you need to know about Overland, and why it has to be completely supported by the Australia Council:

    Overland, the most radical of Australia’s long-standing literary and cultural magazines, celebrated its 50th year in 2004.

    Publishing features, fiction, poetry, reviews, comment, artwork and opinion pieces, Overland is committed to engaging with important literary, cultural and political issues in contemporary Australia. It has a tradition of publishing dissenting articles with a political and cultural focus.

    With ‘progressive culture since 1954’ as its motto, Overland is the only high-profile Australian literary magazine that sees the publication and advancement of new and marginal writers as part of its charter.

    Produced quarterly, Overland was founded in 1954 under the editorship of Stephen Murray-Smith, with the motto ‘temper democratic, bias Australian’. At the time it incorporated The Realist Writer, the journal of the Melbourne Realist Writers’ Group.

    Contributors over the years include Peter Carey, Patrick White, Garry Disher, Elizabeth Jolley, Stuart Macintyre, David Foster, Germaine Greer, Dorothy Hewett, Mark Davis, Sam Watson, David Williamson, Thomas Shapcott, Judith Wright, Rodney Hall, Gwen Harwood, Thea Astley, Alan Marshall, Xavier Herbert, Amanda Lohrey, Bruce Dawe, Frank Moorhouse, Manning Clark, Humphrey McQueen, Christina Stead, Geoffrey Dutton, Max Harris, Chris Wallace-Crabbe, Nancy Cato, Frank Hardy, Lily Brett, Peter Porter, James McAuley, Geoffrey Serle, Alison Croggon, Robert Adamson, Ian Turner, Jack Hibberd, Christos Tsiolkas, Alex Buzo, Martin Flanagan, David Marr, Tony Birch, Dorothy Porter, Fiona Capp, Margaret Simons, Antony Loewenstein, Larissa Behrendt, Linda Jaivin, Kalinda Ashton, Nam Le, Sophie Cunningham, Jane Gleeson-White, Charlotte Wood, Benjamin Law, Alexis Wright, James Bradley, Margo Lanagan and many, many others. [all the usual suspects!! I see no 'dissenting voices here]

    Yet Overland also gives a voice to the experiences that are excluded from the mainstream media and publishing outlets. The magazine has been part of an ongoing attempt to document lesser-known stories and histories, dissect media hysteria and dishonesty, debunk the populist hype of politicians, give a voice to those whose stories are otherwise marginalised, misrepresented or ignored, and point public debate in alternative directions.

    While Overland remains committed to the quarterly print journal, its project now also includes regular online publication of reviews, commentary, stories, poems and other materials. It also holds regular events.

    Overland is published by a not-for-profit organisation. It depends on its community for support. If you like what you read, please take out a subscription.

    EDITOR: Jeff Sparrow

    PUBLISHER: Alex Skutenko

    DEPUTY EDITOR: Jacinda Woodhead

    ASSOCIATE EDITOR: Rjurik Davidson

    CONSULTING EDITOR: John Marnell

    FICTION EDITOR: Jennifer Mills

    POETRY EDITOR: Peter Minter

    CONTRIBUTING EDITOR: Clare Strahan

    PROOFREADER: David Hudson

    Patron:

    Hon Barry Jones AO: Professorial Fellow in the Faculty of Education at University of Melbourne, former Minister for Science; former National President of the ALP.

    Overland is published by:

    O L Society Limited: Room 128 Building E, Victoria University, Ballarat Road, Footscray VIC 3011. Incorporated in Victoria.
    ABN: 78 007 402 673.

    Board:

    Mr Richard Llewellyn (chair): Co-founder and CEO of Llewellyn & Associates and a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Management and Australian Institute of Company Directors.
    Ms Alex Skutenko (secretary): Overland’s editorial coordinator and publisher.
    Mr Andrew Leggatt (treasurer): Supply Chain Manager – Vistaprint Australia Pty Ltd.
    Dr Nathan Hollier (deputy chair): Former editor of Overland, Director of Monash University Publishing.
    Associate Professor Bronwyn Cran: Dean, College of Arts, Victoria University.
    Ms Shannon-Kate Archer: Qualified lawyer, Senior Research Analyst Workplace Relations for the Australian Fair Pay Commission and Fair Work Australia.
    Mr Benjamin Laird: computer programmer; electronic poet; former Geek-in-Residence at Australian Poetry; PhD candidate RMIT University.
    Professor John McLaren: Emeritus Professor, Victoria University. Former editor of Overland and founding editor of the second, current series of Australian Book Review.
    Mr David Murray-Smith: Son of founding editor Stephen Murray-Smith, and Portfolio Projects Manager at Police, Emergency Services and Corrections, Department of Justice, Victoria.
    Mr Malcolm Neil: Director of Vendor Relations, Kobo Australia NZ, former Director at Small Press Underground Networking Community, former Chief Executive Officer, Australian Booksellers Association.
    Ms Jeannie Rea: National President of National Tertiary Education Union.
    Dr Jeff Sparrow: writer, editor of Overland.
    Mr John Timlin: Literary agent and theatre producer.
    Ms Jacinda Woodhead: Deputy editor of Overland; PhD candidate Victoria University

  9. Notafan

    Ooh, did someone get a rejection letter from Mr Murray ?

  10. C.L.

    Well again, the $64 question: why doesn’t the LIBERAL government smash Overland financially?

    WHY?

    Why won’t they FIGHT BACK culturally?

  11. Rabz

    Why won’t they FIGHT BACK culturally?

    Because they are soft cocks.

  12. I have a verse or two which I might send to Overland;
    but I’ll be careful, lest they be rejected out of hand,
    and send them pseudonymously (I have no special brand)
    for I have heard, by Minton’s word, that Quadrant folk are banned.
    I’ve had no poem published yet, though dreams may still be grand,
    but I must tread most cautiously, abiding by command,
    to shun all Murray’s writers like they’d back the Fatherland
    since Quadrant’s worse than Nazi filth, I’m led to understand.
    I read young Minton’s magazine though found it rather bland—
    the pomes therein were rather poor and very rarely scanned—
    yet in my need to earn a buck (or peso, pound or rand)
    I’ll send some verses Minton’s way, “In Praise of Samarkand”.

  13. james

    Overlands editor is a former leading light in the Socialist Alternative group and a former protege of the admirably insane Marxist nutter Mick Armstrong.

    Mr Sparrow has written books glorifying the history of leftist violence in Melbourne and regularly gives talks at taxpayer funded institutions to aspiring writers.

    He and his sister first rose to prominence as part of the laughable “Austudy five”.

    The fact that the Australian state not only funds a man who has repeatedly vowed to overthrow it but place him in a position to influence opinion with wealth confiscated from those whom he would destroy is one of lives little mysteries.

  14. thefrollickingmole

    The public teat sucking ticks never go away do they..

    Jeff Sparrow.
    As a student activist and member of the Trotskyist group, the International Socialist Organisation (ISO), Sparrow was one of the Austudy Five, controversially arrested after a protest in 1992.[6] He was expelled from the ISO in 1995[7] and helped found the splinter organisation, Socialist Alternative (SA).[8] After leaving SA, he was involved for some years in the group Civil Rights Defence.

    Alex Skutenko: Curious, he doesnt have a public bio at all… a few “free Julian Assange letters and crap though..

    Jacinda Woodhead: Jacinda Woodhead is Overland’s deputy editor. She is also a PhD candidate working on a narrative non-fiction project about the politics of abortion. Her essay ‘Sexiness and Sexism: Neoliberalism and Feminism’ was recently published in Left Turn: political essays for the New Left. She tweets at @lesslinear.

    Rjurik Davidson ‏@RjurikDavidson 3h
    Note to self: I will not get into debates with right-wing trolls who clearly have some kind of moral brain damage. @richardthewatts

    They are cardboard cutouts of “right on” opinions… Universities do terrible things to independent thinking.

  15. This is not about limiting freedom of expression. We are in a free society and anyone can start any kind of magazine they like and publish what they want. What this is about is editorial responsibility and making ethical decisions about how and where you chose to publish.

    The most amusing aspect of all this for me is that Overland doesn’t appear to have distinguished itself by expressing these sentiments during the Roxon anti-free speech debate.

    The opinions expressed in this letter are designed to give offence. Overland could have been prosecuted under Roxon’s legislation, if it had been passed.

    But it wasn’t passed, largely due to activity by ‘the right’ in Australia, against a background of near-total silence from ‘the left’.

    The Fisk Doctrine should now be invoked.

  16. Notafan

    Well someone has lost the plot on twitter if you have a look at Bolt.
    Well they are in the spotlight now, budget emergency time for ‘artists’ tor find alternative funding employment. Entitlement is us.

  17. boy on a bike

    Simple – it’s time that they are no longer “stained by the association” with the Australian taxpayer.

    I hope Brandis tells them that in writing, and signs his letter:

    No more correspondence will be entered into. Bye!

  18. H B Bear

    Patron:

    Hon Barry Jones AO: Professorial Fellow in the Faculty of Education at University of Melbourne, former Minister for Science; former National President of the ALP.

    aka The Spaghetti and Meatballs Man

  19. Viva

    I have a verse or two which I might send to Overland;
    but I’ll be careful, lest they be rejected out of hand,
    and send them pseudonymously (I have no special brand)
    for I have heard, by Minton’s word, that Quadrant folk are banned.
    I’ve had no poem published yet, though dreams may still be grand,
    but I must tread most cautiously, abiding by command,
    to shun all Murray’s writers like they’d back the Fatherland
    since Quadrant’s worse than Nazi filth, I’m led to understand.
    I read young Minton’s magazine though found it rather bland—
    the pomes therein were rather poor and very rarely scanned—
    yet in my need to earn a buck (or peso, pound or rand)
    I’ll send some verses Minton’s way, “In Praise of Samarkand”.

    Thank you Mr Deadman for “In Praise of Samarkand”
    Regretfully, however, we must reject it out of hand
    Your verse is witty (even gritty)
    Quite impressive (more’s the pity)
    But east is east
    and west is west
    At Overland we know what’s best
    For Left is Right (and Right is Shite)
    Sorry but we’re Commie Light
    Thank you Mr Deadman for “In Praise of Samarkand”
    It might have stirred some interest
    if not for our Deadhand.

  20. Habib

    This palaver misses the point, government has no business funding the yartz in any form, at any level. It is cronyism and subjective rent-seeking at its most patronising and insulting nadir. Sir Leslie Colin Patterson OBE is no parody.

    By shit-canning the whole trough, we not only save the grants themselves, but also the skivvy and beret bedecked who lavish and administer our unwilling largesse. And before some outraged luvvie mentions sports funding, it needs the same fate. That’s what chook raffles, sausage sizzles and beer and prawn nights are for, and proved quite adequate in the past.

    Viva philistinism, bitches.

  21. Habib

    Deadman, you’ve less chance of that getting a run than an accurate report unfavourable to lefty frets being aired on the ABC. It rhymes, and has metre. Can’t be a pome.

  22. It’s tough to be a poet, not too arty or affected,
    when even one’s imagined works are readily rejected.

  23. Tom

    So some pissant passive-aggressive beta male academic nobody who has built his academic career and much of his wealth on an identity fraud attempts to dog-whistle the stain of the Third Reich onto his political opponents, who have woken up to his racket and now threaten to expose it, by mouthing an insult which he is pretending not to say. Human refuse doesn’t come any more rancid or stinking than those who use Third Reich propaganda tactics by accusing their opponents of doing the same.

    By continuing to behave like dogs, the modern left figuratively ensures it not only has no future, but that it will be shown no mercy and slaughtered by its enemies.

  24. Viva

    It’s tough to be a poet, not too arty or affected,
    when even one’s imagined works are readily rejected.

    Down to earth and not too arty
    Just the wrong political party
    Like the Mafia sending flowers
    we thought we’d save your time and ours

  25. Habib

    If you choose to write a rhyme,
    Make sure it’s done on your own time,
    For your chance of a public sling,
    Is far less than prayer and wing.
    Unless of course you’re from a class,
    Whose self-import is such a farce,
    Who though while gifts are few and spare,
    Of wheedling ackers are well aware.

  26. 'S

    @Tom +1
    that last part though is just sentimentality. Nothing will come of this.

  27. boy on a bike

    On your taxes I will feast
    Consuming bird and fish and wine and beast
    You slave away to keep me fed
    And whilst you work I stay in bed
    I am more deserving of your wealth
    Which I will grab via lefty stealth
    I won’t cry if your kids aren’t fed
    Especially not from my 5-star bed
    Go now pleb and earn some more
    So that I might emote about the poor
    Now I have to request some grants
    To take my family off to France

  28. Angry God

    For the sake of fair it is only fitting that this odious waste be funded according to the finest models available.

    Due to an intense lack of diversity, the dollars are to be zero, for if the ALP wants a rag like this, they can f’n pay for it.

    ABC, Overland, SBS and every University publishing house favours the left, and as such the left can bloody well pay. Zero Tax dollars to fund diatribic degustations that deserve defenestration.

  29. Adam

    Sparrow’s correspondence is actually very interesting in one respect; it seems that the left is now so sure of its own moral rightness that it no longer feels a need to pretend that its bias doesn’t exist. In other words, they are so cut off from reality that they see nothing wrong with statements of this nature.

    Which is very good news for those of us who want to see a realignment in the culture wars. The left should be encouraged to come out with more pronuncements that betray their true agenda.

  30. C.L.

    I have a verse or two which I might send to Overland;
    but I’ll be careful, lest they be rejected out of hand,
    and send them pseudonymously (I have no special brand)
    for I have heard, by Minton’s word, that Quadrant folk are banned.
    I’ve had no poem published yet, though dreams may still be grand,
    but I must tread most cautiously, abiding by command,
    to shun all Murray’s writers like they’d back the Fatherland
    since Quadrant’s worse than Nazi filth, I’m led to understand.
    I read young Minton’s magazine though found it rather bland—
    the pomes therein were rather poor and very rarely scanned—
    yet in my need to earn a buck (or peso, pound or rand)
    I’ll send some verses Minton’s way, “In Praise of Samarkand”.

    Gold.

  31. Johno

    The kind on crap promoted by Overland can only survive by being on the taxpayer’s teat. It is a smaller version of the ABC and SBS. There is no justification for spending taxpayer’s money on art. If artist or writers have something worth saying, they will find an audience and, if they are good enough, they can make a living out of it.

    Taxpayer funded art only produces crap art from second raters who have nothing worth saying.

  32. Abu Chowdah

    Some good poems, folks, but Viva wins by nailing a Dr.Suess meets Dr.Mengele tone.

  33. M Ryutin

    Why don’t they fight back culturally was the right question but ‘soft cocks’ not a complete answer as the Abbott mob have no understanding of the vital position of culture in the political war they have to fight. I will repeat / paraphrase for the umpteenth time the apt phrasing of the late Andrew Breitbart.
    You cannot win the political battle until you fight the cultural one. The Left knew this, led by the Frankfurt School they fought that war in the institutions and won the political wars because of it. Conservatives cannot succeed politically until they fight this cultural battle. Again as Andrew said, until you attack them directly and call them on it you have no hope. To say “we reject your worldview just as you reject ours” is just the first step as they (and Minter and every single left totalitarian) have to be called out on everything all the time. Abbott and go show no signs of understanding the critical nature of their response

  34. Toiling Mass

    Bolta has a string of tweets from Alison Gorgon, the first of which is “Oh I see. Andrew Bolt has attacked my poems again”.

    Bolta doesn’t comment on her poetry at all. Just the grant gaming.

  35. Before I even wrote the words, one poem* has been panned;
    I shan’t foretell that Sydney’s paths will soon be paved with sand,
    once judges there reintroduce the law of deodand,
    for I must clearly give each line a far more Marxist strand,
    and, of course, following advice
        completely eschew
                         effete conventions, capitals & sense—call me ishmael, shantih, shantih—
          but, like that young canadian*, give some extra spin
                                           across the pale parabola of joy.

    * “In Praise of Samarkand”.
    † see Songs of Squalor by Ralston McTodd.

  36. Leo G

    This is not about limiting freedom of expression. We are in a free society and anyone can start any kind of magazine they like and publish what they want. What this is about is editorial responsibility and making ethical decisions about how and where you chose to publish…

    … And clearly it is also about setting aside editorial responsibility to make unethical decisions about the associations those who seek publication must shun to avoid being blacklisted.

  37. mareeS

    Philippa Martyr #1166403,

    Crikey, what a list. Every deluded leftist in the sphere of Australian intelligentsia. What a pack they were. There’s a good book in it, like my favourite, “A Voyage For Madmen.”

  38. Abu Chowdah

    There was an apparatchik called Minter
    Whose mien had an effete simper
    While texting on the khazi
    He invoked the Nazis
    “Overland will not allow Dolce into her!”

    There once was a platform called Overland
    Whose editor exerted a heavy hand
    A simon pure fool
    He Invoked Godwins Rule
    And stuck his fat head in the sand

  39. Ronaldo

    The list of Overland contributors Philippa posted at #1166403, includes James McAuley – The founding editor of Quadrant!

  40. M Ryutin

    I must add that in his book Righteous Indignation Andrew Breitbart highlighted great allies in th ectural wars which had to be fought and whilst Rush Limbaugh was a huge (and early) influence,the highest of all praise was for Ann Coulter and she is as strong a fighter as she ever was. From the time when she correctly classified the Bush critics 911 widows as “Jersey Girls who became millionaires on the back of their special pleading, her recent demolition of that Texas fraud Wendy Davis shows how the fight must be no holds barred.http://www.anncoulter.com

  41. Anthony of QLD

    @ Philippa Martyr 116403: James McAuley was certainly a dissenting voice; in fact, he founded Quadrant!

  42. one old bruce

    Yes, well this guy relies for his extremely narrowly defined whole career past and future, on the support of the notoriously touchy and clique-ish aboriginal-studies academic community. Just ask one of them privately who is ‘in’ and who’s out with that bunch at the moment, step back so as not to be blasted by the surprisingly heated response, and you’ll get a sense of how precariously he is walking a tightrope, which as a whitey he will inevitably fall off of – because you can’t please all the many rival groups at once!

    So really, his emotional response above reflects his own desperate plight. Look at his photo with the strained grin (really a pained grimace) and the eyes screaming ‘help!’ and you will pity him.
    Let him have his 15 minutes of fame.

  43. Another Irregular Poem

    The list of Overland contributors Dr Martyr posted also included Gwen Harwood. She had poems published in Quadrant so—were she alive—she could not now, under Minter’s rules be published in Overland.
    The list of Overland contributors also included Rodney Hall. He has had poems published in Quadrant so he could not now, under Minter’s rules, be published in Overland.
    The list of Overland contributors included Chris Wallace-Crabbe too. He has had poems published in Quadrant so he could not now, under Minter’s rules, be published in Overland.
    The list of Overland contributors…

  44. BM

    Oh the irony of the Marxist
    Who invokes they ghost of Adolf
    To accuse others of the fascism
    Which he’s practising himself

    For the poets in Quadrant’s pages
    Must forever more be spurned
    And every single issue
    Upon the pyre must be burned

    Oh the irony of the Marxist
    This taxpayer-funded leech
    Who demands payment for his words
    Then talks about free speech

  45. Such unadulterated nonsense, essentially this imp chucked a tantrum for some reason or another, decided to take his bat and ball and go home, and then attempted to make some rational argument for it afterwards.

    The fact that he made some bizarre Nazi analogy is just more proof of the nonsense, people don’t stop listening to Wagner or Orff because of their links to that era, because rational thinking people can tell the difference between someone who is a Nazi and someone who just happened to be there.

  46. JC

    This imp you’re referring to is an editor at Overland. Normally it wouldn’t matter, but Overland takes government and therefore it matters… a lot. It matter because the prick is a gatekeeper.

    That’s why it’s important, sed. Nice try at deflecting the obvious, you turkey.

  47. Toiling Mass

    The ‘creatives’ preen themselves that art should be what they call ‘confronting’. In fact, their contempt for the general public (so often the argument of their tortured renderings) means that their success consists in not winning the support of the bulk of society. If the public like it, you aren’t ‘confronting’ (read ‘rubbishing’) them. This is why they depend on, and demand, grants, and the most successful artist is the one that bags the most taxpayer cash.

    I always feel that Australia is outrageously poorly served by its arts community. For all their posturing as being elite, beyond our parochial confines, members of an transnational intellectual movement – they make absolutely no impact overseas. Our poets not read, our writers not read or performed (other than those who made their bones before the current system of patronage). They are nobodies, who hope that no one in Australia finds out.

    And we pay for this imposture.

  48. I think you misread something that wasn’t there JC. At no point did I say it didn’t matter, of-course it matters, Overland and those associated with it would be the first to jump up and down and scream blue murder if the roles were reversed no doubt.

    Also, the irony is inescapable, by refusing to publish anyone’s work based on a political view you’re determined to hold by association is exactly what Hitler would have done (and Stalin and so on and so forth).

  49. Abu Chowdah

    Overland fascist
    Minter has a dummy spit
    Aussie Ezra Pound

  50. Bethjl

    This has gone beyond poetry, beyond freedom of speech and thought. Marxism – Lenin once said that everything in the end was about who and whom. Who is doing what to whom? Oz has travelled so far left since the 50′s and is desperately in need of cultural rebalancing. I agree with comments above about a cultural fightback – it needs to happen now.

  51. Good one, Abu

    T.S. Eliot
    is an anagram, you might
    recall, of toilets.

    Peter Minter is
    an anagram of “rent me
    tripe” and “preteen trim”.

    (Particularly
    today, I must be brief; why?
    summery weather.)

    This crazed editor,
    Minter: no poet in his
    right mind would choose him.

  52. BM

    Thx Abu :)

    Here at Catallaxy
    We love our poetry
    But we don’t ask for government grants
    We share it willingly
    For free!

  53. Abu Chowdah

    Very clever, Deadman!

  54. Overland suggests across the land
    Yet dissenting opinions are forcefully banned
    Dangerous thoughts are dumped in the sea
    Publishing of unapproved thoughts are yet to be

    For they are right
    And everyone else is wrong
    For the sheet from which they sing
    Is of the very same song

  55. We share our verses freely, yes; indeed, BM, that’s true;
    but if a new Maecenas would provide a sinecure,
    I ’d not waste time on pondering his welcome gift; would you?
    A well-paid writer, I submit, may well write lit’rature.

  56. Tom

    His talent is undeniable

    Deadman, did you notice, in the Youtube linked to by Aristogeiton at 8.20pm, Minter is an illiterate barbarian who, like a bogan pre-teen, insists on bluntly separating the definite article from the word following (“upward”)?

  57. Aristogeiton

    Tom
    #1166938, posted on January 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm
    His talent is undeniable

    Deadman, did you notice, in the Youtube linked to by Aristogeiton at 8.20pm, Minter is an illiterate barbarian who, like a bogan pre-teen, insists on bluntly separating the definite article from the word following (“upward”)?

    He is slavishly following the punctuation in his verse; an apostrophe follows.

    Anyhow, there’s only one way that a poetomachia can be truly settled. I’ve got $50 on Dolce.

  58. Aristogeiton

    Correction: a comma follows.

  59. Demosthenes

    there’s only one way that a poetomachia can be truly settled

    Hold the presses, folks. I think we’ve found someone more bombastic than CL.

  60. Oh come on

    No. CL would never conflate an apostrophe with a comma.

  61. Andrew

    Is this not an illegal secondary boycott? I’ve asked the Minister for the Yarts just in case.

  62. Yohan

    I’m surprised there is not more talk about abolishing this ‘literature arts’ funding altogether, whether it be for Overland or Quandrant.

    Perfect candidate for a departmental dumping.

  63. I’m surprised there is not more talk about abolishing this ‘literature arts’ funding altogether

    I thought that went without saying. Is is not the consensus that writers who can’t find other gainful employment are already adequately funded by the State—with regular payments called “the dole”?

  64. Notafan

    I used to go to comedy nights in South Yarra in the mid 1980s, some of the amateur stand ups were distinctly lacking in talent and relied heavily on the comedic value of saying the F word over and over and over.
    I noticed one of these the ABC not so long ago. Still not funny.
    Why is the arts an industry that people with no talent still get free handouts with no requirement to provide a tangible return on investment?
    If we have to support spongers can we at least chose them ourselves?

  65. Why is the arts an industry that people with no talent still get free handouts?

    It’s a scam, Notafan, and your eligibility to share the perpetual flow from the cornucopia will depend on whom you know and on the orthodoxy of your assertions.
    See Bolt’s blog today wherein he shews one writer—who just happens to be a sister of another con-artist—hustling ten grand to “build a sustainable career” and to “expand her professional contacts internationally”.

  66. Notafan

    If they are getting a decent income stream from royalties and the Australian library handouts why are they still getting grants?
    Does anybody check to see if they are engaging in the activity for which they receive funding?
    The bottom line for me is some people are getting large amounts of funding to undertake activities most of us would consider hobbies.
    They are also people we would consider to be members of the middle classes.

  67. Patrick McCauley

    Minter believes himself to be ‘holy’ – as can be seen in his Gary Synder impersonation poem published on Quadrant Online today. As the left’s ‘poet laureate’, he seeks redemption for his race, his gender and possibly, his heterosexuality. He seeks the great indigenous hope – poet, to defeat the genius of Les Murray, and return poetry to the codes of the dreadful orthodoxy.
    James McAuley was published by Overland’s prototype magazine – ‘The Angry Penguins’ – under the pseudonym of Ern Malley – who still retains the title of the greatest Overland poet ever. McAuley himself, therefore, only gained passage by first breaching the ramparts with a hoax, using a pseudonym that the gatekeepers did not recognise.

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