Tuesday forum: January 28, 2014

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  1. Motelier

    From Numbers.

    Wow! So original!
    I remember saying this as a principal in 1981.
    Except that in my case it was more than rhetoric.

    Of course you remember saying it.

    However in private industry/business it is necessary to get things done.

    These businesses are the ones that pay taxes. By GST and Company Tax on the profits.

    Oh, the profits, yes that is right, you do understand profits don’t you? Of course you do. Profits are evil as you have said before. Profits are achieved by ripping off customers and ripping off workers. Or words to that effect.

    From those profits, businesses pay taxes. Those taxes go to the state and employ people like, teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, refuse workers and all sorts of others. If there are no profits there are no taxes. I would hope that a simple concept like that which is easily understood, can be understood by you. If there are no taxes then we have no teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, refuse workers and all sorts of others.

    Now, so that my businesses can pay their taxes, my businesses have to be profitable. To be profitable I need people to participate in my business. My staff have input to all of the procedures that they have to perform. This input makes them more efficient.

    Because our staff are more efficient our costs as applied to the consumer are lower. IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE MORE COMPETITIVE.

    And because we are more competitive we can offer a lower price to our customers.

    Number, I do know that this is a bit of a shock to you, but put on the onsie, have a hot chocolate and go to bed.

  2. Saw the relatively mild interplay with James earlier today on the Barry Cohen thread. Things must have really gone bad there if you say this Open Forum is better, because this Open Forum has been a sewer most of the day.

    Pet, james is positively a gentleman bristling with sparkling and Shavian repartee compared to coz.

    I am almost tempted to apologise for telling him to fuck off. But I don’t think I will, because most of his other posts are objectionable as well.

  3. coz

    Is this the ‘more important’ thing you had to do, after clocking off from your clock-watcher jawb, flippa?

    It certainly seems very important, more suited to you status as an important person with important things to do.

  4. Fisky

    Fuck this. Bye for now guys. Wake me when Abbott proves he isn’t a useless mediocrity.

  5. Nighty night, Fisky. I think I’ll go and unblock a drain that needs attention in the laundry.

  6. Grigory M

    [stifles enormous yawn]

    Are you Septimus?

  7. coz

    yes, that’s a good idea! Why don’t you do that?

  8. Motelier

    Hmmmm do I get a prize?

    I got the last post on the previous page…..

  9. Gab

    Wake me when Abbott proves he isn’t a useless mediocrity.

    At Abbott’s current rate of performance we’ll have to call you Rip Van Fisky then.

  10. Aliice

    phillipa

    It almost makes one nostalgic for Steve from Brisbane. We used to have a much better class of troll here.

    ROFL

  11. Aliice

    No he is not Septimus. Septimus is a gentleman.

  12. Grigory M

    Whoops. Aliice, that was about Philippa’s ‘yawn’ reference.

  13. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Sigh.

    Ignore Numbers, he is an idiot.

    The aircraft were mostly Kawanishi H6Ks.

    Ray Holyoak, a local Townsville historian, covered the attacks in various works on the defence of TVL during the war. He really is quite good. You can contact him via LinkedIn or James Cook uni. Unpublished thesis The North Queensland Line – The Defence of Townsville in 1942 by Raymond Holyoak.

    In late July 1942, Kawanishi H8K1 Emilys were responsible for three attacks on Townsville in Queensland. On the night of 25/26 July two Emilys bombed Townsville port but the bombs fell wide of the mark and landed on mudflats. The planes, W-45 and W-46, were not intercepted and no anti-aircraft guns fired on them. On 27 July one Emily was attacked a it flew over Townsville and it dropped seven of its eight bombs on the Many Peaks Range. This aircraft was W-46. The H8Ks were a detachment from Yokohoma Kokutai which was then part of the 25th Air Flotilla (from 10 April 1942) and operating from Rabaul with a detachment to Tulagi where they supported the Taitei’s (H6K) which were transitioning to recce at that time, having become too vulnerable to Allied aircraft and AA (they only had a primitive CO2 fill system for the wings and lacked self-sealing tanks, and the wins were chokka with fuel).

  14. Motelier

    Sigh.

    Ignore Numbers, he is an idiot.

    Mk50 I tried. I really did. Honest.

  15. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Ah, leave the idiot to me. I like cluebatting the manky little racist grub. And it takes little time while providing light relief from research (today’s a research day).

  16. Steve of Glasshouse

    Mote..look on the bright side. If Numbers ever stays at your establishment, at least he brings his own luminol to clean up after himself.

  17. Aristogeiton

    Motelier, from memory “profits are the essence of unfair transactions” (Numbers). I’d sooner take ethics lessons from Shagger than HR tips from this dimwit.

  18. Steve of Glasshouse

    Mk50..this is quiet time for Number’s class room. Teach is humping the TV whilst the ABC news is on..

  19. Motelier

    If Numbers ever stays at your establishment, at least he brings his own luminol to clean up after himself.

    HEHEHEHHEHE Numbers has never and I do mean never stayed in either motel with us.

    I do love good front office systems.

    However Numbers is welcome to stay here. Imagine his surprise if he has to stay with us and starts mouthing off at the front desk.

    Now that would be embarrassing.

  20. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Teach is humping the TV whilst the ABC news is on..

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha! That’s hilarious.

  21. Rabz

    Profits are evil as you have said before. Profits are achieved by ripping off customers and ripping off workers. Or words to that effect.

    From those profits, businesses pay taxes. Those taxes go to the state and employ people like, teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, refuse workers and all sorts of others. If there are no profits there are no taxes. I would hope that a simple concept like that which is easily understood, can be understood by you. If there are no taxes then we have no teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, refuse workers and all sorts of others.

    Yes, Motelier, of course the spudpeeler would understand the simple concept you’ve so clearly and patiently explained above. Because, hey, it’s not as if he’s a drooling marxist cretin.

    Oh wait, he is.

  22. Wow! So original!
    I remember saying this as a principal in 1981.
    Except that in my case it was more than rhetoric.

    Of course you remember saying it.
    However in private industry/business it is necessary to get things done.

    Mot: Good work on that last-post-of-previous-page.
    I was going to say something, but thought: “Why bother?”
    We’re dealing with a mentality that is …. not fully sane.

  23. Motelier

    Aristogeiton,

    Motelier, from memory “profits are the essence of unfair transactions” (Numbers). I’d sooner take ethics lessons from Shagger than HR tips from this dimwit.

    You are so right. Number and all of the left have real problems with probity.

    In Numbers case the idea that hard working taxpayers, the ones that can go bankrupt at anytime, are the ones that pay for him to survive escapes his “intelligence”.

  24. harrys on the boat

    Motelier, fair play for trying to converse with Fuckwit Bob. But please stick to ridicule, abuse and hammer the worthless cnut with maximum prejudice.

  25. Motelier

    Gentlemen

    Steve at the Pub, Rabz, Mk50, Aristogeiton, JC, Steve of Glasshouse and any other that wish to partake of the fun.

    We have had a troll apocalypse over this summer.

    Numbers is the last to go.

    We are all cordial to each other and accept that we can agree to disagree. We debate cordially. Numbers has a one track mind.

    Numbers must be swamped from here on in.

    We need to do a team effort to get him banned.

  26. Motelier

    Harry

    You can add yourself to the list above.

    Cheers

  27. Steve of Glasshouse

    OK. Numbers’ contributions to open threads read like the nutritional side panel on a packet of junk food; the more Numbers, the crappier the product.

  28. harrys on the boat

    Apologies Motelier, I misread the master plan. Carry on, as you were!

  29. Motelier

    Harry
    You are welcome to join in.

    My New Years Resolution is now in shreds.

    Happy New Year.

  30. tomix

    According to Wiki, the HSU only represent workers in Aboriginal Health Units in Qld- no doubt making sure that all children have had their mandated 46+ shots by the time they are 4yo. link
    Possibly a turf war is happening if the HSU QLD site can be taken seriously. link</<

  31. calli

    My New Years Resolution is now in shreds.

    S’okay…my bloody diet is in shreds too,

  32. C.L.

    Gentlemen

    Steve at the Pub, Rabz, Mk50, Aristogeiton, JC, Steve of Glasshouse and any other that wish to partake of the fun.

    We have had a troll apocalypse over this summer.

    Numbers is the last to go.

    There used to be a kind of gentleman’s agreement that if somebody was given the heave-ho around here it wasn’t sporting to go on rubbishing them. They’re gone. Will certain people kindly STFU about them? Please.

    We need to do a team effort to get him banned.

    Count me out.

  33. Motelier

    calli

    thanks..

    It is nice to know that I am not the only one.

  34. Steve of Glasshouse

    CL..JC can mine this stuff for general twitter ammo against progressive lefties..

  35. Makka

    YCMTSU;

    “”We are worried that Mr Abbott’s actions may be intended to threaten the ABC about its funding in the lead-up to the federal budget,” she said.

    “The community is fortunate to have a public broadcaster that doesn’t regard itself as a propaganda tool of government.”

    http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-abbott-blasts-abc-reporting-20140129-31lth.html

  36. Motelier

    C.L

    I have not rubbished them. I just said we have had a troll apocalypse this summer. I am not mentioning their names.

    You do not have to join in. Numbers is going to be a tough nut to crack. He is the macadamia of the trolls.

    I think we do need a team effort.

  37. Ah, but Tanya Plibersek says otherwise, Makka:

    “From emergency broadcasts in times of trouble to coverage of the events that shape our nation, the ABC is there, free for all Australians,” she told AAP.

    “Since it began, every government has been subject to the close scrutiny of the ABC and we should all welcome that.”

    Yes of course. That’s why the ABC was so vigorous in its pursuit of the following Labor scandals:

    * the Craig Thomson affair
    * Julia Gillard’s AWU involvement
    * the Australia Day race riot sparked by a Gillard staffer
    * the scandalous numbers of illegal immigrant boats arriving in Australia due to Labor’s policies

    etc etc etc

  38. C.L.

    Numbers has been commenting here longer than most of his detractors.

    Why don’t you just ignore him?

    He doesn’t bother me in the least.

    Neither did Monty and neither did Steve.

    It’s kind of dull without them, to be honest.

  39. He is the macadamia of the trolls.

    I’ve had enough of Americanisms on this Australian blog. And this…. this… this most recent American word (named after an American) for an Australian native plant, is…. is…. too much.

    Their correct name is the Queensland Nut.

  40. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    I think we do need a team effort.

    Sooooooooooo carry on as normal for me, then?

    :)

  41. JC

    Their correct name is the Queensland Nut.

    No that’s the name given to you Stevie. The nut, the real one is a macadamia.

  42. jumpnmcar

    There used to be a kind of gentleman’s agreement that if somebody was given the heave-ho around here it wasn’t sporting to go on rubbishing them.

    An ” ignore ” agreement while they were still here would have been productive ( or less non-productive).
    But I understand gentlemen need to vent, so, vent on if you’re so inclined.
    Perhaps a balance is needed.

  43. Motelier

    Phillipa

    Can I quote this

    Yes of course. That’s why the ABC was so vigorous in its pursuit of the following Labor scandals:

    * the Craig Thomson affair
    * Julia Gillard’s AWU involvement
    * the Australia Day race riot sparked by a Gillard staffer
    * the scandalous numbers of illegal immigrant boats arriving in Australia due to Labor’s policies

    etc etc etc

    to my local MP’s. I have two and both are Lib/Nat.

    I get two bites.

    Heheheheheheh

  44. JC, you lack of knowledge of Australia would fill libraries.

    They have always been named Qld Nut. A few years ago the name “Macadamia” popped up. It is the American word.
    What’s next? “Guy”, “Six-pack”, “Wrangler” “Auto” “Gas Pedal” “Sidewalk” “Gunned Down” “Step up to the Plate” “Bucking Bronco” etc etc etc.

  45. Bear Necessities

    I don’t mind Numbers comments. He is a bit like Malcolm Turnbull. Whilst he is intelligent, unfortunately for him he believes he is always the smartest guy in the room. That will always be his weakness.

  46. Gab

    “From emergency broadcasts in times of trouble to coverage of the events that shape our nation, the ABC is there, free for all Australians,”

    Except that it’s not free, you dumb blonde and the free-to-air commercial networks – radio and TV – are often ahead of the curve in reporting major events, including disasters.

  47. entropy

    Phillips, please add the BER cost overruns long after the GFC had passed, the NBN costings, the 20/20 summit delivery on outcomes, the mining tax, the carbon tax, dismantling of the ABCC, the list of dishonourable do-not-mentions over the last six years is really quite astonishing.

    The ABC motto should be “none of the news we prefer you didn’t know about, and well just use the vibe for the rest. Oh, and by the way, you have to pay for it”

  48. JC

    CL

    I think the only one banned was Monster. Stepford isn’t banned. He decided that it was time to take an extended hiatus as he needed time to think about the fact the climate models are fucked and that the libs may jerk away his disability pension.

    Spuds…. yea ignore him too these days even when he’s dying for my attention. He’s too much.

  49. Nic

    Yes of course. That’s why the ABC was so vigorous in its pursuit of the following Labor scandals:

    * the Craig Thomson affair
    * Julia Gillard’s AWU involvement
    * the Australia Day race riot sparked by a Gillard staffer
    * the scandalous numbers of illegal immigrant boats arriving in Australia due to Labor’s policies

    The elephant in the room

  50. squawkbox

    Numbers has been commenting here longer than most of his detractors.

    Why don’t you just ignore him?

    I agree with CL. I know that being told “ignore the trolls and they will go away” is like being told as a five-year old not to pick at your scabs and is about as effective. I admit to having had a go or two at the old fruitcake myself in the past, but the open threads were much better when discussion of Numbers’ intellectual and personality deficiencies didn’t form 50%+ of the comments.

  51. dismissive

    John Macadam was not American.
    Baron Sir Ferdinand Jacob Heinrich von Mueller was not American.

  52. Motelier

    They have always been named Qld Nut.

    I really thought it was originally named Bauple Nut.

    I must be wrong.

  53. Numbers has been commenting here longer than most of his detractors.

    Why don’t you just ignore him?

    He doesn’t bother me in the least.

    Neither did Monty and neither did Steve.

    It’s kind of dull without them, to be honest.

    Was monty banned? I must have missed that.

    I know about poor old Steve; self-imposed exile on the banks of the Brisbane River, and reduced to running a Twitter feed so that he can feel important.

    Did I miss anyone else?

  54. Habib

    Definitely Qld nut, I refuse to call them anything else, causing some confusion with ignorant salespersons. As far as I know “macadamia” is the study of Caledonian bitumen.

  55. tomix

    They’re Bauple nuts. Every other house in the old parts of coastal Qld has got a tree.

  56. dismissive

    No relation of John MacAdam of macadamizing fame.

  57. calli

    Macadamia integrifolia. I have called them macadamias all my life, and had a beauty growing in the first house I ever owned. But it may be different north of the border. Trivia…there is a lovely pink flowered form.

  58. JC

    I know about poor old Steve; self-imposed exile on the banks of the Brisbane River, and reduced to running a Twitter feed so that he can feel important.

    Did I miss anyone else?

    Stepford is very focused at the moment. He’s doing yogo all day long to help his breathing while he gets his head around the climate models and the disability pension (loss of).

    Step is learning to avoid being a weather botherer.

  59. Motelier

    Numbers has a comment for every topic that appears on the open threads.

    Unfortunately his comments are usually there to bait for an argument.

    Debate is about moving forward. Number’s debates hold the Open Threads back IMHO.,

    I can have a debate with all other here and either learn or transmit a bit of knowledge that others do not know.

    Numbers just sticks to the past.

    Yes some trolls are useful. And yes some are funny and provide some entertainment. Numbers is nothing of those.

    As Rabz would say

    Sack. Them. Now
    Get. Him. Out.

  60. Gab

    ffs it’s yoga not yogo, how many times must I tell you!

  61. Motelier

    Phillipa;

    Did I miss anyone else?

    Actually I am having trouble remembering the decimation of the trolls here.

    I must have “oldtimers disease”

  62. entropy

    As for emergency broadcasts, just pay all the commercial channels to do them when needed. Heck, that would be more effective as it would give better footprint/coverage than the ABC because people are more likely to be watching those channels. They might even do it for free.

    Also, when it comes to the fabled Country Hour, has anyone stopped to think why the private sector doesn’t provide this, or given Country Hour’s mandatory story format based around ferreting out the biggest whingers they can find, easily deliver a superior product? Because Aunty has crowded them out and created a barrier to entry.

    Merge ABC and SBS, give the news section the same budget as the average of the commercial networks, ditto drama, allow advertising to help fund it and thus make the luvvies consider ratings, let it have one national radio signal, one digital TV channel, and flog the rest off to the commercial networks, or better yet, new entrants.

  63. JC

    I know it’s yoga, Gab. I honestly dunno why my finger goes to the o instead of the a. I ought to proof read sometimes.

    This typo really seems to upset you for some reason. it seems to light a fuse.

  64. candy

    Get. Him. Out.

    I doubt Prof. Davidson can do that with 1735099. He will go around everywhere any site saying that Australia’s leading libertarian blog has shut down his free speech. You get the picture.
    It puts Prof. D. in a difficult position.

  65. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Did I miss anyone else?

    Tony N suffered the D.C.M. as well – I never did, and never would agree with his politics, but most of the links he posted on matters military were worth while.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    Their correct name is the Queensland Nut.

    Pity you Queenslanders were too thick to grow them commercially.

    They are Macadamias. The second best thing to come out of Hawaii after the Mai Tai.

  67. Tom

    Good grief. Even Motelier has fallen off the wagon!

    You clods don’t understand you either ignore trolls or subject them to relentless humiliation, as Mk5o does with the old commo pondscum. But youze have been arguing with him, with is the same as masturbating him as it makes him think he’s not a worthless piece of shit after all. As a result, the OT is a sewer.

    Get it now? Ignore — yes. Lampoon — yes. Argue — never. And seeing the sewer in full overflow has simply encouraged old drunken tramps like coz to drop in and piss on us as well.

    The rules for trolls have to be read and reread. The best of us forget them. They were drawn up by experts.

  68. Gab

    As for emergency broadcasts, just pay all the commercial channels to do them when needed.

    3AW in Melbourne is advertising itself as the official emergency channel. And they do it for free as I am sure do many others.

    The ABC’s raison d’être no longer exists. It is an expensive indulgent redundancy.

  69. JC

    Candy

    I honestly don’t think the prof is worried about any outbursts by the spudster if he has to ban him. He doesn’t ban him because the spudster isn’t doing much wrong. The fact that he’s a howling fucking loon isn’t cause for banishment at the Cat.

    You really have to be a nimrod to get banned here.

  70. Tom

    Good grief. Even Motelier has fallen off the wagon!

    You clods don’t understand you either ignore trolls or subject them to relentless humiliation, as Mk5o does with the old commo pondscum. But youze have been arguing with him, with is the same as w**king him as it makes him think he’s not a worthless piece of shit after all. As a result, the OT is a sewer.

    Get it now? Ignore — yes. Lampoon — yes. Argue — never. And seeing the sewer in full overflow has simply encouraged old drunken tramps like coz to drop in and piss on us as well.

    The rules for trolls have to be read and reread. The best of us forget them. They were drawn up by experts.

  71. Armadillo

    Bolta with a late update.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/union-chief-john-setka-denies-free-home-reno/story-fni0fiyv-1226813197903

    The rats now will start telling all to save their own arses I’d imagine.

  72. Gab

    lol no fuse lit here, JC, but you appear to have something Freudian going on with yogo.

  73. JC

    Tony N suffered the D.C.M. as well

    Oh yea forget about him.

    ‘morning TonyN.

  74. Motelier

    The ABC’s raison d’être no longer exists. It is an expensive indulgent redundancy.

    And the taxes that Australians pay go towards the ABC.

    Hmmmmmmm. Indulgence?

  75. Crikey, you learn something every day. Thanks from me to the Cat-senizens for the updates on John MacAdam.

  76. tomix

    They’re still all over older Brisbane. 95% of people wouldn’t know what they were.

  77. JC

    Gab

    Yoga is the feminine while yogo is the masculine. My mistake, Stepford does yoga…. of course.

  78. Motelier

    Tom.

    Good grief. Even Motelier has fallen off the wagon!

    I tried. Honest.

    I have failed. :(

  79. Armadillo

    As for emergency broadcasts, just pay all the commercial channels to do them when needed.

    I recall when Fukushima happened the ABC went missing completely for about three days. QLD floods were covered my more by the commercial channels than the ABC as well.

  80. Gab

    Yoga is the feminine while yogo is the masculine.

    I can accept that. Sounds logical.

    I guess the mental image of stepford “doing yogo” is unnerving.

  81. Their correct name is the Queensland Nut.

    Pity you Queenslanders were too thick to grow them commercially.
    They are Macadamias. The second best thing to come out of Hawaii after the Mai Tai.

    Yair well, who’s growing them now?
    That aside, they grow a whole lot better in Hawaii than they do in Oz. You’d never get a tree here to anything like the size or yield of the trees in Hawaii.

    Going there & seeing their commercial stands of trees is jaw-dropping.
    Sort of like how Hawaiians would feel coming to NQ & seeing sugar cane. They’d never believe it can grow to the size it does.
    (Anyone ever needs a chuckle, go to Hawaii & see the short spindly stuff that masquerades as commerical cane plantations.)

  82. JC

    You know, there’s been some good work done by the libs in the past few days despite Abbott going native on the aboriginal stuff.

    They’re starting to soften the public about the labor market stuff.

    They attacked the building unions and put in royal commission to rip them to pieces.

    And Abbott grew a pair about the ABC.

    Most of it is bad, but not all.

    If Abbot was in front of the Cat’s firing squad, I’d still be keeping the rifiles aimed but I wouldn’t be asking them to cock the trigger just yet. (no death threat)

  83. JC

    I guess the mental image of stepford “doing yogo” is unnerving.

    Yea, no he does yoga.

  84. candy

    He doesn’t ban him because the spudster isn’t doing much wrong.

    jc
    Well, from a female perspective he’s quite a chauvinist. He rarely responds to women, and if he does, he will be rude and put them down.

    Most of the guys here are nice and speak quite cordially to the women. He doesn’t. Monty and Steve on the whole always quite nice to the ladies, a tad annoying because of their opposing views, but not at all chauvinistic. Just in my observation.

  85. If Abbot was in front of the Cat’s firing squad, I’d still be keeping the rifiles aimed but I wouldn’t be asking them to cock the trigger just yet.

    Cock the trigger?

  86. calli

    Yogo. Smearing perchance? Or something more horrid.

  87. Motelier

    As for emergency broadcasts, just pay all the commercial channels to do them when needed.

    We had the commercial stations stay with us in 2011 and 2013. Both were as vacuous as the ABC. It was amazing to watch the broadcasts being put together.

    If it makes sense. “Make it bigger that it really is” is the term that comes to mind.

  88. JC

    Well, from a female perspective he’s quite a chauvinist. He rarely responds to women, and if he does, he will be rude and put them down.

    Well he shouldn’t be rude to them, but for the other stuff I don’t see that as necessarily bad traits Candy. :-)

    Monty and Steve on the whole always quite nice to the ladies, a tad annoying because of their opposing views, but not at all chauvinistic. Just in my observation.

    Well Stepford was one of the ladies. That’s how I looked at him. Having said that, Step needs time to get his around the fact that the climate models are shit awful and he’s going to lose his disability pension.

  89. Motelier

    I have a sneaking thought happening here.

    A lot of the topics that we on the Cat originate in the open threads are starting to appear as public policy.

    If this is true, it makes me proud to be here.

  90. Motelier

    I can shout it here now.

    LOWER TAXES
    Discuss

  91. Motelier

    Less Red Tape

    Discuss here

  92. twostix

    Stepford isn’t banned. He decided that it was time to take an extended hiatus as he needed time to think about the fact the climate models are fucked and that the libs may jerk away his disability pension.

    It occurs to me, didn’t he do exactly the same thing exactly one year ago?

  93. JC

    Less Red Tape

    Discuss here

    Less? How about almost zero and even then a sunset clause.

  94. C.L.

    yoga

    Or posh stretching, as I call it.

  95. coz

    Is this a ‘circle the wagons’ thing?

  96. Motelier

    Oh….

    And let us not forget..

    Less Green tape

    Discuss

  97. Gab

    Is this a ‘circle the wagons’ thing?

    You’re on the wrong channel.

  98. A lot of the topics that we on the Cat originate in the open threads are starting to appear as public policy.

    Izzat so?

    [elbows Mot to one side]
    Shouts: Abolish all govt travel providers, Repeal Carbon Tax NOW, Get rid of Unfair Dismissal, Bring back AWA’s, Repeal Gun Laws, Abolish Stamp Duty. Abolish compulsory superannuation. Make raising interest rates an imprisonable offence,…. etc.

  99. Makka

    “Less Red Tape”

    Abolish all Green Tape too. An abundance of Coal and Gas with among the highest energy costs in the G20 is a f**king scandal.

  100. Oh yeah, and abolish pointless compliance regulations.

  101. Motelier

    JC

    Less Red Tape

    Discuss here

    Less? How about almost zero and even then a sunset clause.

    Forget the sunset clause.

    Enshrine it for perpetuity.

  102. JC

    Or posh stretching, as I call it.

    If I was younger and single it would be the first place to go to pick up women. A single dude I worked with who was always on the hunt like 24/7 would go to yoga (note Gab) classes 5 nights a week and the hit rate was truly impressive. I don’t think he lied about judging by the amount of land line traffic we had to field.

  103. Armadillo

    Well Stepford was one of the ladies.

    Wondering if Mk50 has been over to Shifters site lately? Also, that crap over the weekend with the twitter comment – ‘We are not Stevie’ seemed to me to be a ‘dig’ at ‘Lizzie’ (a female Cat) – she is the only one here I have ever seen refer to him as ‘Stevie’.

  104. coz

    Is this a ‘circle the wagons’ thing?

    Gab – You’re on the wrong channel.

    oh? I don’t think so.

  105. calli

    Oh yeah, and abolish pointless compliance regulations.

    BASIX…please let it end. Hell, let’s dispense with the abomination that is Local Government.

  106. coz

    yoga is huge with alcoholics who need to find a social life outside of bars.

  107. Motelier

    [elbows Mot to one side]

    Shouts: Abolish all govt travel providers, Repeal Carbon Tax NOW, Get rid of Unfair Dismissal, Bring back AWA’s, Repeal Gun Laws, Abolish Stamp Duty. Abolish compulsory superannuation. Make raising interest rates an imprisonable offence,…. etc.

    FFS do not ever elbow me and Mrs M aside.

    Stand beside me and Mrs M and we can make a lot more noise.

    FFS man we are in the same industry.

  108. JC

    yoga is huge with alcoholics who need to find a social life outside of bars.

    Bullshit. There’s an glass wall panel at the gym I go to where they hold classes. If those gals are alcoholics then everyone is. The bending over and stretching stuff is out of this world. Sometimes I slow down the treadmill to watch the stretching and bending.

  109. C.L.

    Man suing Abbott for calling him a “union thug” leading the news at ABC Online:

    John Setka, CFMEU state secretary, accused of receiving free work in return for peace on building sites.

    Construction union heavyweight John Setka received free work for his house from a Melbourne builder in return for “peace” on industrial sites, the builder has claimed.

    Andrew Zaf has told the ABC’s 7.30 program and Fairfax Media that he supplied a free roof and other materials for the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) state secretary’s house in Melbourne’s western suburbs, describing the material as a bribe.

    “Well I had a lot of workers I had to look after. It was the cheapest way out,” he said.

    “I wasn’t happy about it because no-one likes to give $10,000 away, but at the end of the day it was cheaper for me to compromise myself than to risk my trucks being stopped going out to construction sites.”

    Mr Zaf said the material was supplied at the request of other CFMEU officials, who “passed the hat round” because Mr Setka had broken up with his girlfriend.

    And from ged Kelly .. Ged?:

    ACTU president Ged Kearney says the allegations are serious.

    The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations should be handed over to the police and dealt with accordingly,” she told 7.30.

  110. johanna

    Sorry, Candy, but some of Steve’s posts made my “creepy, weirdo” radar go off the graph. Without going into details, I have knocked around all sorts of places with all sorts of people on my own, and managed to avoid anything bad happening. Part of it was luck, but a lot of it was having microsensitive radar for creeps.

    Steve is a creep.

  111. Motelier

    Hell, let’s dispense with the abomination that is Local Government.

    calli

    YOU have never had to put up with the food safety compliance Nazi’s.

    Oh sorry. My mistake. You have the other Nazi’s in local government,

    You have my apologies.

    Motelier.

  112. coz

    Bullshit. There’s an glass wall panel at the gym I go to where they hold classes. If those gals are alcoholics then everyone is. The bending over and stretching stuff is out of this world. Sometimes I slow down the treadmill to watch the stretching and bending.

    mmm Judith Lucy is a huuge yoga proselyte, it’s popular with lapsed catholics such as yourself.

  113. JC

    “The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour,

    ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahah

  114. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From JC at 9:35 pm:

    “You know, there’s been some good work done by the libs in the past few days despite Abbott going native on the aboriginal stuff.

    … If Abbot was in front of the Cat’s firing squad, I’d still be keeping the rifiles aimed but I wouldn’t be asking them to cock the trigger just yet. (no death threat)

    In the stilted public service language used by the horribly self conscious public servants who appear on that Customs / Airport television series that is a Notice of Intention to Consider a Death Threat.

  115. Motelier

    coz

    that is a bait comment.

  116. JC

    Steve is a creep.

    He certainly has the effect on the gals here. He’s a climate botherer. What do you expect.

  117. candy

    Bending and stretching is great for suppleness but fitness comes from some weights and running. Can’t be ignored. The cadiovascular rate has to go up a bit every day and the muscles and skeleton kept working every day.

  118. C.L.

    So it was standard for union leaders to arrange ‘free’ work on their houses, hey?

    Mmm.

  119. coz

    coz
    that is a bait comment.

    Which one? and that is a problem because?

  120. C.L.

    Do the crime, do the time, Sister:

    Catholic nun, 83, facing life in prison.

    [Customary correction of clueless media: she's a woman religious, not a nun].

  121. candy

    Steve is a creep.

    I think he’s a good dad and husband by the sounds of it. But he’s probably happier in left leaning sites to be amongst friends and people of his ilk, and stop getting angry about what people think here.

  122. JC

    Bending and stretching is great for suppleness

    ‘sactly. That’s what I’m thinking watching the gals through that glass wall, especially if their wearing Lululemon.

  123. Bruce of Newcastle

    And Abbott grew a pair about the ABC.

    Unfortunately, JC, Abbott promised en camera (on the SBS no less) before the election not to defund the ABC. Since he is a man of his word, he cannot go back on that.

    But innovation can suffice. He never promised not to privatise them, nor that they would not be required to take advertisements. So we’ll see. His main problem is Turnbull, who is an ABC fanboi.

  124. Motelier

    So it was standard for union leaders to arrange ‘free’ work on their houses, hey?

    C.L. It appears so. However, the “rank and file” have no skills in reading a balance sheet to this will always go undetected.

    If it gets detected then you only have to call in the enforcers to kill the story.

  125. coz

    Here ya go JC, all the bending and stretching and lapsed catholicism your little heart could desire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtXmz6gQSS8

  126. Motelier

    mmm Judith Lucy is a huuge yoga proselyte, it’s popular with lapsed catholics such as yourself.

    Why?

  127. Infidel Tiger

    especially if their wearing Lululemon.

    Got to love a company whose policy is “no fat chicks”.

  128. JC

    His main problem is Turnbull, who is an ABC fanboi.

    Turnbull is not that much to the prevailing view in the party. And Turnbull has chosen his words very carefully when expressing opinion about the ABC.

    He’s said he likes it, we need a quality broadcaster and there is a need to make it better in view of the tech changes that have occurred.

  129. stackja

    5 Pages and 1,129 Responses to Tuesday forum: January 28, 2014, no wonder Jacques has problems.
    Sinc will sneak in at midnight I assume.

  130. Gab

    Oh yeah, that’s right, Bruce. Let’s roll the tape:

    PM: The ABC is an important part of a pluralistic media landscape, and I’m not going to complain about it, Andrew. I will do what I can to ensure the ABC is well managed, has got a good board, a strong board, and …

    AB: But would you agree that the bias of the ABC, as observed even by former ABC chairman Maurice Newman, is in breach of its charter?

    PM: I would say that there tends to be an ABC view of the world, and it’s not a view of the world that I find myself in total sympathy with. But, others would say that there’s a News Limited view of the world.

    AB: Taxpayers don’t pay News Limited.

    PM: But I’m a conservative, I’m a traditionalist. I’m not persuaded that we need radical change here.

    Abbott’s not going to do anything to the ABC.

  131. C.L.

    Is there a reason Judith Lucy speaks like Dame Edna Everidge?

  132. twostix

    From Bolt:

    LEIGH SALES: How much of a barrier or otherwise have teachers’ unions been in countries that have undertaken major reforms?

    AMANDA RIPLEY: A big barrier. I mean, this is one of the surprises, is that everywhere you go in the world, pretty much teachers’ unions are powerful, there are contracts in place that principals and school leaders complain about, there are real limits to the ability to dismiss a teacher for performance all over the world. So, you know, be that as it may, it is a challenge in every country.

    What is it with the mealy mouthed jibber jabber that people go on with when they’re talking to leftists and know they’re dangerously close to approaching a heretical idea?

    Ripley could have simply said:

    A big barrier. I mean, this is one of the surprises, is that everywhere you go in the world, pretty much teachers’ unions are powerful, there are contracts in place that principals and school leaders complain about, there are real limits to the ability to dismiss a teacher for performance all over the world. So, you know, be that as it may, it is a challenge in every country.

    What’s with all the shrinking violet speech filler in the spoken word lately? If you’ve got an uncomfortable but unassailable point to make in front of a leftist audience, smash that fucking thing like a greek champion.

  133. JC

    Got to love a company whose policy is “no fat chicks”.

    Which becomes see through with stretching exercises.

    Chip Wilson, the founder got fired for the first quote.

    “Frankly some women’s bodies just actually don’t work for [wearing Lululemon pants]… it’s really about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure is there over a period of time, how much they use it,” – Wilson’s response, when asked by a Bloomberg TV reporter about consumer complaints related to “pilling” fabric in the yoga pants
    “Mediocrity is doing an ‘okay job,’ having a relationship that ‘works,’ being just ‘a little’ overweight, or having a job that ‘pays the bills.’ … Most people live in a state of mediocrity. Mediocrity is as close to the bottom as it is the top.” – Wilson writes in a blog post on Lululemon’s site
    “The reason the Japanese liked [my former skateboard brand, ‘Homeless’] was because it had an L in it and a Japanese marketing firm wouldn’t come up with a brand name with an L in it. L is not in their vocabulary. It’s a tough pronunciation for them. So I thought, next time I have a company, I’ll make a name with three Ls and see if I can get three times the money. It’s kind of exotic for them. I was playing with Ls and I came up with Lululemon. It’s funny to watch them try to say it.” – Wilson in a 2004 interview with National Post Business Magazine
    “Breast cancer also came into prominence in the 1990’s. I suggest this was due to the number of cigarette-smoking Power Women who were on the pill (initial concentrations of hormones in the pill were very high) and taking on the stress previously left to men in the working world.”

    It was the funniest thing. The dude made the comment on Bloomberg and as soon as he said it the stock fell as traders knew what the consequences were.

  134. Motelier

    5 Pages and 1,129 Responses to Tuesday forum: January 28, 2014, no wonder Jacques has problems.
    Sinc will sneak in at midnight I assume.

    And I will be at the back of the room. I do have to get up early .

  135. jupes

    So it was standard for union leaders to arrange ‘free’ work on their houses, hey?

    Also to arrange work on their girlfriends houses. Unbeknownst to the girlfriends of course. Why, it’s not unkown for them to come home and find that some nice tradesman has built a fence.

  136. Gab

    What’s with all the shrinking violet speech filler in the spoken word lately?

    Lately? It started on September 8th, 2013 and has been the same since. The only time I’ve heard Abbott as PM speak in a forceful unequivocal manner was when he praised Rudd and threw Howard under the bus in the same speech.

  137. coz

    CL Is there a reason Judith Lucy speaks like Dame Edna Everidge?

    Is there a reason Nanabel Crabb looks like Edna Everidge? I’ve warned you folks about Edna-women before.

  138. Nic

    Is there a reason Judith Lucy speaks like Dame Edna Everidge?

    Judith Lucy is bitter and unfunny

  139. tomix


    So it was standard for union leaders to arrange ‘free’ work on their houses, hey?

    C.L. It appears so. However, the “rank and file” have no skills in reading a balance sheet to this will always go undetected.

    If you’re a dogman on a CBD site getting $40/hr + $10/hr site allowance + redundancy payments, for running up and down stairs, you likely don’t give a fuck what the State Secretary is doing with his time.

    You just keep your head down and don’t want the party to end.

    Wonder if those $10,000 slings to bring the lovely Gerry Adams out were waved through by the ATO?

  140. twostix

    and threw Howard under the bus in the same speech.

    I forgot about that. He threw Howard under a bus in the same way he through the entirety of 19th century Australia under a bus didn’t he?

    Yet an accused rapist stands across from him and it’s all “oh Senior Labor Person you’re such a dish, let’s have another photo together.”.

    I think the Gillard strategy worked: It broke him.

  141. twostix

    Wonder if those $10,000 slings to bring the lovely Gerry Adams out were waved through by the ATO?

    I still want to know if Craig Thompson has paid tax on all the Fringe Benefits and gifts he’s received from the ALP?

    How does that work?

  142. srr

    When The Age does a story admitting this much that’s wrong with the IVF Industry, you just know it’s much worse.

    But why have they raised it? Could it be that enough victims of the IVF Industry have decided to seek compensation, and found Lawyers up to the task?

    Couples with unexplained infertility could be rushing into IVF: doctors http://t.co/4DNJOwDo3Q via @theage

  143. Gab

    It broke him.

    I don’t know if that’s true, maybe it is, but I don’t like to see that written. I hope it’s not true but actions do speak louder and so far it’s almost as if he believes he doesn’t deserve the position of Prime Minister. Perhaps I still hold out hope that Abbott will become a Leader instead of fawning over the left hoping they will approve of him.

  144. Armadillo

    From Bolt:

    Read that link at Bolt stix. Funny, that had a guy (ex-lawyer) from Brisbane on ABC 24 this morning saying exactly the same thing almost ‘word for word’. Had to check I had the right channel until I spotted Mr Smirky (and that woman who has the perfect face for radio). They tried to send her there, but she must have something on them because she’s back.

  145. Tom

    Judith Lucy is bitter and unfunny

    Judith Lucy is the epitome of ugly female self-hatred.

  146. C.L.

    Lying 17 year-old says she was raped, police believe her with no evidence whatsoever.

    Charges dropped against man accused of raping schoolgirl.

    It is not clear if the girl will be charged with making false representations to police.

    Not clear? Why isn’t she in custody?

  147. Bear Necessities

    http://www.bls.gov/lau/

    The above link is the employment data for each state in the US over the last decade. Texas stands out. What is impressive is the employment growth of Texas coming out of the 08/09 recession. In fact they have added about 1 million jobs in the last 4 years. Compare that to states such as Ohio, New Jersey, Illinois and New York who are struggling to get their employment numbers up to pre recession levels.

  148. C.L.

    You know, I’m thinking the ABC just lazily arranged a co-author’s credit with Fairfax over all this union corruption to offset the Snowden and Navy torture stuff. It’s a con.

  149. JC

    Why is this innocent man’s name published but we are still not told the name of the senior liar party figure accused of rape?

    Police have withdrawn charges against a man accused of raping a teenage girl in broad daylight at Strathfield train station.

    Ben Kooy, 34, was arrested last Wednesday and charged with dragging a 17-year-old girl off a train around 1pm and into a toilet block where he allegedly sexually assaulted her.

    Police were told Mr Kooy struck up a conversation with the girl as she travelled from Redfern station to school.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/strathfield-station-sex-assault-case-charges-dropped-against-man-accused-of-raping-schoolgirl-20140129-31lz2.html#ixzz2rmp8Ubnv

  150. C.L.

    Why is this innocent man’s name published but we are still not told the name of the senior liar party figure accused of rape?

    Good question.

  151. Gab

    Of course it’s a con. As I said earlier, the ABC is mounting it’s case that it is unbiased and non-partisan for budget time. Oh look, we’ve outed that nasty Mr McTernan and his emails (poor Julia! What she must have had to put up with!) and now we’re exposing union corruption!!11!! See? We’re balanced. Ta-daa!

  152. tomix

    It’s not “rape” rape?

  153. pete m

    How to improve education standards:

    1. raise bar for entry to uni course

    2. stop having teachers do playground patrols. kids should not be dropped off to school earlier than 15 minutes before class, and the schools should employ contractors to act as supervisors. They can go into classes and do extra work to fill in time before going home time. Get teachers planning / marking etc, not standing around watching johnny pull the girls hair ffs.

    3. enough with the regs! every frigging time a teacher wants to develop some experiment / build something they have to fill in pages of crap on risk assessments. adult went to uni – I think adult who went to uni can figure out if it is dangerous or not.

    4. we have a national curriculum but no national lesson plans. half the challenge in getting the curriculum is creating lessons and finding time to teach them.

    5. have a look at the interruptions that happen to a class in 1 day – phone calls from office that little johnny forgot his lunch, notes from office that kid forgot his asthma spray, kids coming late, behavioural kids without f/t aid (i mean the worst kid in school type kid, not the add/adhd look at me ones) etc. The kids have to go to classes on swimming, music, tennis etc (all great but most can be done outside school hours). Teachers now have to do 40 hours of classes per national c subject – they would be lucky to do 10. They spend most of their time just figuring out reading levels and getting right resources for each kid let alone get into meaty geography stuff like map reading / drawing even.

    6. sack bad teachers. So many useless ones cannot be moved while so many great ones ifghting for contracts and getting bugger all.

    7. get inspectors back into the classrooms and actually watch a class being taught. Most principals haven’t been inside a classroom in years.

    etc.

  154. twostix

    A politician of conviction.

    You are very, very dangerous people indeed!

    Poor old Britain. what a shithole, it’s only decent politicians are stuck fighting against the EU while the midgets at home are desperately trying to shovel as much power to the EU as possible.

  155. twostix

    Oh look, we’ve outed that nasty Mr McTernan and his emails

    Didn’t that story die a quick death. Apparently out of thousands of emails from the most abusive, thugish advisor around – who organised the race riot, scripted Gillard’s question time break down the ABC could only get two whole stories out of it.

    If Abbott was slightly less ball-less (just slightly) he could at least make the ABC open to FOI requests. Those emails would be most useful to the public.

  156. pete m

    I saw a fellow wrongly accused of sexually touching a girl – hands down front of cozzie claim – on a beach – crowded etc. He wanted tosue police and prosecutors.

    Guy said girl looked distressed as he walked past so he chatted to her. They exchanged mobile numbers and he left hoping he’d cheered her up. He was with his son and only spent a few minutes chatting.

    Girl walked past cop station on way home – no report. Only hours later and with pressure from mum did she claim to being touched.

    Went to trial and she was found to be lying as well as her mates.

    Meanwhile he lost 1 year out of his teaching degree and ostracised in small town. Lost his wife. Psychologically could not recover for years.

    Considered malicious prosecution case as prosecutor arranged for girl to give evidence by video link and frame was from neck up only, to hide her pregnancy bump – she was 16. Jury didn’t believe her anyway.

    Lovely justice system we have here in aust.

  157. Geriatric Mayfly

    An apt comment from a listener on Price/Bolt radio. The ABC will always give weight and credence to finger pointing by some non-entity UN flunkey,
    especially if it is Australia in the firing line. Sometimes, these UN Boxwallahs leave their multi storey cocktail lounge on the East River and pay us a visit. Their every word is holy writ to the ABC, especially if it’s illegals or Aborigines under scrutiny. If the resident culture can be found guilty of delinquency, the ABC is there to help and then proclaim it to the world.

  158. .

    I mostly agree pete. Thing is, school is a massive waste of time. You could cut 2-3 years off from k-12 with no recognisable difference.

    it shortens your infancy and prolongs your childhood. Schooling is misanthropic. Education is what we want.

  159. candy

    You know, I’m thinking the ABC just lazily arranged a co-author’s credit with Fairfax over all this union corruption to offset the Snowden and Navy torture stuff. It’s a con.

    My opinion is is that, if Mark Scott was an effective CEO, he would be out there right now offering to talk to Malcolm Turnbull etc. and work things out with the government. That would be standard practice.

    Perhaps tomorrow?

  160. Andrew

    There will be a decision tomorrow whether the Federal Government gives assistance to SPC Ardmona or not. Rural Liberals (especially local mp Sharman Stone), Nationals MPs and the Industry Minister all favour an assistance package. Hockey seems to be against giving out any more assistance. I personally think that Hockey was rolled in cabinet last time with the GrainCorp decision. I hope he won’t be next time.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-29/divisions-among-federal-cabinet-ahead-of-decision-on-spc-ardmon/5226418

  161. .

    pete m – 10.48 pm – was that long ago?

    Any lawyers at the cat ought to represent this dude and sue for megabucks.

  162. coz

    Judith Lucy is the epitome of ugly female self-hatred.

    So what is the epitome of ugly male self-hatred? John Howard?

  163. Tintarella di Luna

    Unfortunately, JC, Abbott promised en camera (on the SBS no less) before the election not to defund the ABC. Since he is a man of his word, he cannot go back on that.

    What if he gives the ALPBC 1 million Australians x $0.08c a day – let’s round it out to $30million — that would not be de-funding that would be a mere re-adjustment based on the value calculated by the Commission of Audit.

  164. Gab

    Oh no, they must be wrong. It will be all AOK, Andrew. Look here:

    CABINET ministers have hit back at another plea for industry assistance, amid fears of setting a “dangerous precedent” if they give in to demands from food processor SPC Ardmona to help cover its rising costs.

    The government is close to rejecting the company’s call for aid out of frustration that it needs taxpayer cash to generate a 14 per cent rate of return, sparking concerns that there would be no end to the list of companies wanting the same help.

    Ministers believe the food company bears the blame for its cost pressures, amid suggestions it is paying $120,000 or more to dozens of workers.

    As Tony Abbott hardens his stance against subsidies, the government is putting the onus on SPC and its parent, Coca-Cola Amatil, to make a stronger case for help after cabinet saw no need for urgent action this week.

    Yes, yes I know, that was back in December, but still, Cabinet will hold strong and back Hockey, yesiree bob.

  165. pete m

    dot – is was 5-6 years ago but we did have a good look at it. Prosecutorial fraud is very hard to prove so not able to be run.

  166. Armadillo

    I read today’s Daily Telegraph and on page 4-5 there was a report called ‘Barangaroo Underbelly’. Down the RHS was a story about a Union official called ‘Brian Parker’. It ended with this sentence ‘He was picked up by his wife in a late model Nissan X-Trail with personalised number plates’.

    Thought to myself at the time ‘what the hell has that got to do with the story’?

    This sentence on the Bolt update may have something to do with it perhaps?

    Investigators have also been told CFMEU figures were gifted luxury vehicles…

    Will have to wait and see I guess.

  167. Andrew

    Yes, yes I know, that was back in December, but still, Cabinet will hold strong and back Hockey, yesiree bob.

    Macfarlane is someone I have little confidence in as he has in the past been pro-protectionism in the past. The regional Liberals and nationals got their way last time even when they had little influence in cabinet and Macfarlane argued strongly for an assistance package for Holden. I’ll wait and see before I jump for joy.

  168. johanna

    Notice how the ABC has been “partnering” with rapidly-approaching-broke leftie organisations like the Grauniad and FewFacts lately? Bit of a subsidy from taxpayers, perhaps? It would be interesting to know if any money changed hands, one for Senate Estimates.

    Thanks, Andrew, for the heads up about SPC Ardmona. It’s a good test of what the government is doing.

    Might I also compliment you on the standard of your comments. You bring a lot to the table here.

  169. WhaleHunt Fun

    Time to apply the death penalty for any person committing the blatant treason of asserting that Australia has obligations under international law. If Mr International don’t own an army then he’s not entitled to make any laws. The PRC would support Australia in telling the Internationalists to eff orf.

  170. Gab

    MacFarlane? Isn’t he the one that put Combet, with Abbott’s approval, on the job to sort out SPC?

    I don’t hold out much hope for Hockey’s declarative hard line for failing company handouts.

  171. WhaleHunt Fun

    We should be happy to pay to see parasite auto industry gone and the bludging union officials unemployed and unemployable. Perhaps the work for the dole is aimed at these people.

  172. coz

    What do conservatives see as the alternative to gubbmint handouts to private companies? Australians should work for 2 dollars a day or importing labour that will work for similar because they don’t have the cost of living in Australia? Where do you see this ending, the shift of manufacturing and production to 3rd world countries with 3rd world wages?

  173. Tintarella di Luna

    Ged Kearney, what a talentless bint.

    She has the stature and authority of a tea-lady

  174. Armadillo

    Notice how the ABC has been “partnering” with rapidly-approaching-broke leftie organisations like the Grauniad and FewFacts lately? Bit of a subsidy from taxpayers, perhaps? It would be interesting to know if any money changed hands, one for Senate Estimates.

    I agree with that Johanna. Gab’s and others theory is that it’s to do with pleading for more money (amoungst other things). I’m not too sure that is the case. Why not do joint stories with News as well then? Just my opinion.

  175. coz

    I don’t know that that’s an insult, the stature and authority of a tea lady.

  176. coz

    More a middle class blinkered snob thing really.

  177. Tintarella di Luna

    the stature and authority of a tea lady.

    it is because I forgot to say — without the wisdom

  178. coz

    ok, that’s a reasonable cover statement.

  179. coz

    but srsly, where do conservatives see the drift of jobs to 3rd world countries ending? Will you just widely revile the new unemployed as ‘bludgers’ or what? since there’s likely to be a lot of em, it may not work.

  180. tomix

    Now that things are heating up, Ged’ll be making way for a bloke.

  181. Armadillo

    More a middle class blinkered snob thing really.

    To rise to her position in the union movement and then claimed to be ‘shocked’ by the relevations, then ‘blinkered‘ is a most apt description.

    She seems pretty strongly opposed to any sort of RC (or inquiry of any description). I wonder why?

  182. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 9:56 pm :

    “ACTU president Ged Kearney says the allegations are serious.

    “The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations …” and so on, repeating the script cast in stone from back before Justice John Kerr had Tramways Union’s Clarrie O’Shea gaoled, Norm Gallagher had his house extensions paid for by his class enemies in big building and the Painters and Dockers ran the Melbourne armed hold up roster.

    Nothing changes.

    Now we have Barangarangarangaroo. It had potential right from the jump, when the youngest survivor of the Cadigal Empire Nation State remembered huntin’, shootin’ and fishin’ there back in 862 AD and was obliged by tribal lore to stake his claim. That was the day after the day James Packer unearthed the real estate value of a few acres of derelict, busted wharves between Darling Harbour and Circular Quay.

    In time Sid Londish / Adelaide Steamships will build 673 storeys of office space, funded by Nugan Hand and Moscow Narodny Banks, and Harry will have 4,673 of his dodgy built apartments infest the site. Young James gets the casino, as was his wont.

    The BLF, BWIU, CFMEU, GTR-XU1, the ghost of Lennie McPherson, a shifty judge or two, young Rodlles Adler and any number of colourful Sydney business identities have eyed off their roles in the urban en-beautification of the CBD and it will be on for young and old for about a decade to come.

    Now convince me Costigan, the Cole Royal Commission (Building and Construction Industry) HIH Insurance and rewriting of the Dog and Goat Act cleaned the joint up.

  183. Combine_Dave

    I don’t mind Numbers comments. He is a bit like Malcolm Turnbull. Whilst he is intelligent, unfortunately for him he believes he is always the smartest guy in the room. That will always be his weakness.

    Wasn’t he the principal at a special school?

    Could explain the attitude.

  184. but srsly, where do conservatives see the drift of jobs to 3rd world countries ending? Will you just widely revile the new unemployed as ‘bludgers’ or what? since there’s likely to be a lot of em, it may not work.

    My stars, there must be something more interesting than this to read. It’s like watching paint dry. Poor coz is a slow thinker at the best of times, but just at present it’s meatloaf through a straw.

  185. Tintarella di Luna

    She seems pretty strongly opposed to any sort of RC (or inquiry of any description). I wonder why?

    Jed’s just doin’ and sayin’ what she’s told to do and say. Just like all of the Emily’s Listers, just like all the wymmin of the Layba pardee — remember “I’m nobody’s girrrrrl”? anyone remember anything about the female members of the NSW Layba government except for Kristine Keneally’s great legs?

  186. egg_

    So what is the epitome of ugly male self-hatred?

    Kevin Rudd.
    Next.

  187. Leo G

    “Mr Setka has released a statement denying these allegations, so all we can really do now is make sure that due process is followed.” – ACTU tea lady

    Due process for an allegation means what then? Bury the allegations? Bury the accusers? Suborn some witnesses?
    In any case, the accusations against Setka and others were supported by evidence, and so are much stronger than allegations. Allegations defined for court proceedings are a different matter- but at present no one has even been charged.

  188. Tintarella di Luna

    … it’s meatloaf through a straw.

    yeah Philippa bet it doesn’t make you miss SoB but or should that be butt

  189. rebel with cause

    Coz – where do you think jobs come from? The job fairy? Ponder that for a moment and you might be able to answer your own question.

  190. egg_

    Wasn’t he the principal at a special school?

    Not infrequently strangers to Narcissism.

  191. Tintarella di Luna

    In any case, the accusations against Setka and others were supported by evidence, and so are much stronger than allegations.

    Speaking of Setka, how’s his defamation action against Abbott going — anything on that?

  192. yeah Philippa bet it doesn’t make you miss SoB but or should that be butt

    You know, Tinta, that’s the joy of it. I don’t miss him at all. Not one tiny piece. Not even when coz is especially leaden.

    I suppose over time I shall get used to her coming along here and dropping the odd dead weight into an otherwise lively conversation, much as I got used to Stevie’s always-just-under-the-surface misogyny, bogus Catholicism and obsession with semen (his own and others’).

    It’s all part of life’s rich tapestry.

  193. coz

    but srsly, where do conservatives see the drift of jobs to 3rd world countries ending? Will you just widely revile the new unemployed as ‘bludgers’ or what? since there’s likely to be a lot of em, it may not work.

    flippa – My stars, there must be something more interesting than this to read. It’s like watching paint dry. Poor coz is a slow thinker at the best of times, but just at present it’s meatloaf through a straw.

    I thought you had more important things to do after clocking off from your clockwatcher jawb, like cleaning drains. Why are you here then, isn’t this ‘beneath’ you, like you said it was, after all you are a superior person! surely you have superior things to do!

  194. Tintarella di Luna

    Ponder that for a moment and you might be able to answer your own question.

    Not a hope – believes what Shane Wand said —we created 900,000 jerbs

  195. Combine_Dave

    but srsly, where do conservatives see the drift of jobs to 3rd world countries ending?

    What a load of horse shit.

    If you want see certain types of jobs retained here you need to cultivate a suitable environment (ie; lower the costs of inputs plus skills, capital etc..). Australia hasn’t done a lot over the last 6 years to retain or attract businesses.

    But srsly, where do you see the drift of 3rd worlders to skilled jobs in Australia countries? Because this trend contradicts your query above (that and the fact our unemployment rate is okish).

  196. Gab

    The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations

    Ged appears at the ABC every week. Try the schnitzel.

  197. Habib

    Funding the ABC as a conservative/libertarian is akin to supplying your own sandflies, pinkeye and crotch rot.

  198. Armadillo

    I notice the line that keeps coming out is that the last RC never resulted in any convictions? Any rebuttals on that would be welcome.

  199. srr

    It’s around 20+% of IVF children that suffer serious, life long health problems.
    Patents complaints have been getting aired in MSM.
    It’s like we’re been allowed to talk about corrupt unionists now, as a distraction from the much bgger news of quackery starting to crack up.

    Providing IVF treatment for unexplained infertility may be leading to overtreatment of couples who could go on to conceive naturally, a group of fertility doctors has argued.

    In an analysis published in the British Medical Journal, the doctors said IVF offered the only chance of conception for women with blocked fallopian tubes and men with severe infertility.

    But authors led by University of Adelaide Professor of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Ben Mol said the benefits of IVF were unclear in other cases, particularly where the cause of infertility was unknown.

    Professor Mol said about a quarter of IVF treatments provided in Australia are for unknown causes of infertility.

    About 41,000 cycles of IVF are performed in Australia each year, resulting in about 10,000 babies or one in every 33 children born in Australia.

    The doctors said it was possible that couples could conceive naturally in some cases if they waited for longer than three years before seeking treatment because there was inadequate data to establish when IVF was needed.

    “A lack of confidence among both subfertile couples and their doctors that conception will eventually occur naturally can lead to access to IVF within two to three years of trying to conceive,” they said.

    “Another factor is that procedures are increasingly performed in private health systems, where the focus on commercial returns has resulted in less academic oversight of who receives treatment and when.”

    Professor Mol said fertility registries in many countries including Australia did not collect data on duration of infertility before seeking IVF.

    “As a scientific and medical community we should come up with comparative data comparing IVF treatment to a more conservative approach, and as soon as we have that data we can inform couples better,” he said.

    Although single embryo transfers were the norm in Australia, the doctors said multiple embryo transfers were associated with complications for mothers and babies and common in other countries including the US and across Asia.

    Concern had also been raised about the long-term health of children born through IVF, they said, who may have higher blood pressure, body fat, glucose levels and vascular dysfunction than children conceived naturally.

    “Until these concerns are resolved, there should be caution about using IVF in couples where the benefit is uncertain or the chances of natural conception are still reasonable,” the doctors said.

    “As a society we face a choice. We can continue to offer early, non-evidence based access to IVF to couples with fertility problems or follow a more challenging path to prove interventions are effective and safe.

    “We owe it to all subfertile couples and their potential children to use IVF judiciously and to ensure that we are first doing no harm.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/couples-with-unexplained-infertility-could-be-rushing-into-ivf-doctors-20140129-31mve.html#ixzz2rmz0PlFx

  200. tomix

    Litigation against Abbott may have been a mistake of Thomsonesque proportions.

  201. coz

    Coz – where do you think jobs come from? The job fairy? Ponder that for a moment and you might be able to answer your own question.

    Naw, I don’t think jawbs come from the jawb fairy. What I was looking for was confirmation of the Marie Antoinette self-extermination principle I suspect all you Marie Antoinette’s are espousing.

  202. rebel with cause

    “The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations should be handed over to the police and dealt with accordingly,” she told 7.30.

    LOL. That must be zero tolerance with a massive rounding error.

  203. Tintarella di Luna

    Exaggerated sensitiveness is an expression of the feeling of inferiority. – Jose Orteg y Gasset

  204. coz

    Are you a sociopath fanboi, tinta?

  205. after all you are a superior person! surely you have superior things to do!

    This is very true. I have a busy career as a Mossad agent to maintain, plus getting my nails done at the Seacret pop-up store.

    That’s where I pass on the microfilm, you see, to those handsome young Israeli men, in return for a nice tub of Dead Sea Salt Scrub and a free nail buffer.

    Then it’s off to Max Brenner for a nice relaxing cuppa. It’s never any trouble to karate-chop the odd ghastly greenfilth demonstrator outside, and anyway, it helps keep me in shape after all the choccies.

    Being an Israeli shill has so many perks; I hardly know where to start. The annual holidays in the Holy Land; Beit Yannai with my bucket and spade, and of course the hommous …

  206. coz

    You did state that you had more important things to do than to engage or debate matter with me, so what are they and why aren’t you doing them?

  207. coz

    I mean flippa, was that a lie, that you had more important things to do? You lied to me?

  208. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tintarella di Luna at 11:31 pm:

    ” … remember “I’m nobody’s girrrrrl”? anyone remember anything about the female members of the NSW Layba government except for Kristine Keneally’s great legs?”

    She is fair dinkum the slyest looking piece of work I’ve seen from them in a long time.

    Unlike your classic Labor wymminses bush pig she could toss her hair and appeal to sex appeal – remember her post rejection new hair? (making sultry eyes and moistened pouty lips at Comrade Elder Hawke in this shot).

    Comrade Schoolgirl Our Kate Ellis is all naive bimbo, who must forever refer to the operating manual – “breathe in, breathe out” – to survive. This one is downright cunning and dangerous.

  209. Tintarella di Luna

    Seacret pop-up store.

    Philippa, that is a doozy of a site, I think I’m feeling seasick

  210. Armadillo

    Thanks Dis. Reading to do by the looks of it.

  211. tomix

    “The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations should be handed over to the police and dealt with accordingly,” she told 7.30.

    Change a couple of words and that was the Bjelke- Petersen Gov’ts standard response to allegations of police corruption in Qld.

  212. johanna

    Re IVF and “infertility” – I certainly know of one couple who adopted a child, and another who had one through IVF, who conceived naturally within a couple of years of having a child, any child, in their family. It’s nothing new, either, as adoption agencies and novelists in the old days knew.

    Apart from physical problems such as blocked fallopian tubes or dud sperm (which are comparatively rare), most fertility problems are “idiopathic”, which is medical jargon for “we haven’t got a clue.”

  213. Leo G

    “The broader union movement has a zero tolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, and any allegations …”

    The broader joke must be another union movement. The broad union movement in Australia has near zero intolerance to any sort of fraudulent, criminal or corrupt behaviour, even when union members are the victims.

  214. rebel with cause

    Naw, I don’t think jawbs come from the jawb fairy. What I was looking for was confirmation of the Marie Antoinette self-extermination principle I suspect all you Marie Antoinette’s are espousing.

    Good grief. It’s like being trolled by a thousand monkeys on typewriters.

  215. dismissive

    If you read the Terms of Reference, they don’t seem to be looking for prosecutions. Basically they seem to be saying we all know there are problems – how do we restrict the insanity?

  216. Makka

    “Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has strongly defended the ABC’s editorial independence in the face of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s attack on the national broadcaster, which he says ”instinctively takes everyone’s side but Australia’s”.

    Mr Turnbull defended the Prime Minister’s right to critique the ABC but, in comments that could be interpreted as resistance to Mr Abbott, he said the ABC was rightly accountable to its board of directors, not politicians.

    ”What’s the alternative … the editor-in-chief [of the ABC] becomes the prime minister?” he said. ”Politicians, whether prime ministers or communications ministers, will often be unhappy with the ABC … but you can’t tell them what to write.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-turnbull-clash-over-abc-20140129-31n5z.html#ixzz2rn8Zh1nB

  217. Tintarella di Luna

    Unlike your classic Labor wymminses bush pig she could toss her hair and appeal to sex appeal – remember her post rejection new hair? (making sultry eyes and moistened pouty lips at Comrade Elder Hawke in this shot).

    Erk Mick you reminded me of this

    One thing about Kristine Keneally she’s NOT an Emily’s Lister – though she really gave me the irrits when she raved on about gay marriage and said her conscience could not allow her to discriminate blah blah blah as if Kristina Keneally’s conscience is a thing of great moral virtue given she was a member of, leader of the one the most corrupt governments since the Rum Rebellion a government which gave us Milton Orkopolous, Eddie Obeid, Ian MacDonald, Joe Tripodi, Karen Palanzanno, Angela the Moron and other forgettable grubs.

  218. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Armadillo at 11:37 pm

    “I notice the line that keeps coming out is that the last RC never resulted in any convictions? Any rebuttals on that would be welcome.”

    Royal Commission into the Building and Construction Industry, duration 18 months, 212 recommendations, no prosecutions.

  219. coz

    From Tintarella di Luna at 11:31 pm:

    ” … remember “I’m nobody’s girrrrrl”? anyone remember anything about the female members of the NSW Layba government except for Kristine Keneally’s great legs?”

    Somebody else – She is fair dinkum the slyest looking piece of work I’ve seen from them in a long time.

    Unlike your classic Labor wymminses bush pig she could toss her hair and appeal to sex appeal – remember her post rejection new hair? (making sultry eyes and moistened pouty lips at Comrade Elder Hawke in this shot).

    Comrade Schoolgirl Our Kate Ellis is all naive bimbo, who must forever refer to the operating manual – “breathe in, breathe out” – to survive. This one is downright cunning and dangerous.

    Just think of it as a ‘borg’ entity. We are all surrounded by the borg at all times, the borg will appeal to whatever it feels will lure you, male or female, left/right or apolitical. They all speak with the one mouth, many people one mouth, all spouting the same propaganda line because they are all ‘borg’.

  220. Tintarella di Luna

    Good grief. It’s like being trolled by a thousand monkeys on typewriters.

    How many does it take to write the Complete Works of Shakespeare?

  221. egg_

    It’s like being trolled by a thousand monkeys on typewriters.

    But what happens when they get ‘stuck keys’?

  222. Combine_Dave

    Coz,

    Jobs and types of jobs come and go (look up the creative destruction of capitalism), the trick is maintaining an economy and labor force flexible enough to handle the changes with minimum fuss.

    Hint: The Liars party (and fellow travellers) provide an opposite example to this approach.

  223. Armadillo

    If you read the Terms of Reference, they don’t seem to be looking for prosecutions. Basically they seem to be saying we all know there are problems – how do we restrict the insanity?

    Yep, the answer being establish the ABCC (subsequently demolished by Labor).

    For a RC that took place quite a few years back, seems a little strange that the entire entry was ‘last edited’ just 2 hours ago?

  224. Jobs and types of jobs come and go (look up the creative destruction of capitalism), the trick is maintaining an economy and labor force flexible enough to handle the changes with minimum fuss.

    Combine Dave, you are the soul of politeness. But coz isn’t quite up to this level yet. Try something more along the lines of:

    When a mummy and daddy love each other very much …

  225. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tintarella di Luna at 11:55 pm:

    “Erk Mick you reminded me of this”

    That lovely photo of the perfectly suited pair, Tintarella, could easily have been taken at the Saturday evening dinner after an afternoon by the pool at the ALP Conference Terrigal 1975.

  226. Tintarella di Luna

    I smell a new thread

  227. Bruce of Newcastle

    but you can’t tell them what to write

    After they are no longer paid by our taxes they can write what they like.

    As I said before Turnbull is an ABC fanboi. He should be given an ambassadorship immediately. Preferably Afghanistan.

  228. Tintarella di Luna

    could easily have been taken at the Saturday evening dinner after an afternoon by the pool at the ALP Conference Terrigal 1975.

    That’s a bad wax job or maybe it’s just the shadow

  229. coz

    Coz,

    Jobs and types of jobs come and go (look up the creative destruction of capitalism), the trick is maintaining an economy and labor force flexible enough to handle the changes with minimum fuss.

    So, where did Marie Antoinette err?

  230. Brian of Moorabbin

    and change the subject, but ir (sic) counts for naught.No (sic) amount of obfuscation alters that fact.

    You’d come home with a trunkfull (sic) of useless crap.

    The thought of someone with your mentality let loose on unsuspecting lodgers is terrifying

    Just as much as the thought of you and your mentality (and your admiration for a solidly-built adult kicking children in the bum) let loose on unsuspecting (and impressionable) little kiddies, Bob me ol’ son.

  231. Combine_Dave

    Combine Dave, you are the soul of politeness. But coz isn’t quite up to this level yet. Try something more along the lines of:

    When a mummy and daddy love each other very much …

    hahah I dont think coz is adult enough to hear the rest of that story…

    I just didn’t like the way coz’s wacist dog whistling mirrored that of the ALP/unions.

    ‘specially not while I am in Asia rubbing shoulders with the inlaws (who according to coz are stealing our jobs courtesy of conservative Abbott666).

  232. srr

    It’s a business, selling dodgy designer products to the, ‘I want it, Now!’, generation.

    They chase career and lifestyle satisfaction, hit 35-40 still unsatisfied, ‘try’ conceiving with 24 ‘perfectly planned bonks, FAIL, then go and demand their doctor ‘make them pregnant’…and then complain bitterly about the imperfect product they paid a fortune for.

    I can’t apologise. I have as little respect for the IVF Industry as the Abortion Industry, and that would still be the case if they bothered with the most basic record keeping with the intent of improving their disgusting ‘success’ rate.

    “Another factor is that procedures are increasingly performed in private health systems, where the focus on commercial returns has resulted in less academic oversight of who receives treatment and when.”

    Professor Mol said fertility registries in many countries including Australia did not collect data on duration of infertility before seeking IVF.

    As a scientific and medical community we should come up with comparative data comparing IVF treatment to a more conservative approach, and as soon as we have that data we can inform couples better,” he said.

  233. Combine_Dave

    Every sperm is sacred?

  234. Combine_Dave

    So, where did Marie Antoinette err?

    By marrying a frenchman?

  235. Blogstrop

    C.l. Saying the place is dull without dumb and dumber is the saddest admission as well as a reckless placement of the thin edge of the return wedge. It’s not as if there,s a shortage of stupid leftism to attack.

    Example: BBC World Hev Your Say – on Obama,s falling popularity ( stuff ipad,s failure to do apostrophes correctly!) – the talking heads they invited on said thngs like Obama’s been trying hard and has achieved much but he alwysa knew it would be hard. Or, those extremist epublicans in the tea party have obstructed him and there’s more he could have achieved.

    This is what the ABC wants to be. Like the BBC World Service – which now styles itself as the world’s radio station, but is an overgrown leftist propaganda machine.

  236. .

    coz
    #1171443, posted on January 29, 2014 at 11:12 pm
    What do conservatives see as the alternative to gubbmint handouts to private companies? Australians should work for 2 dollars a day or importing labour that will work for similar because they don’t have the cost of living in Australia? Where do you see this ending, the shift of manufacturing and production to 3rd world countries with 3rd world wages?

    You’re misinformed. Manufacturing has shut down in Australia because of high labour on costs. Manufacturing jobs went to…New Zealand.

    An Australian manufacturing worker is semi to highly skilled and does not compete with uneducated, unskilled works in labour intensive assembly type work.

    Furthermore, as manufacturing develops overseas – they become more like us. This is why Mexico has given way to Thailand, Vietnam etc – and now mexico is virtually first world.

    The free flow of capital, labour and people ensures the highest level of wages, employment and opportunity, here, abroad and globally. This maximises capital investment and ensures wages are competitive but never become a constraint on further employment, in that industry, but in associated industries.

    Subsidising us to collect cowrie shells makes as much sense as subsidising cargo cult pacific islanders to build F-22s with no educaiton or training.

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