ABC Watch

I have my pad and pencil ready.  I am about to embark on an ABC Watch.

This occurred to me as I was watching the ‘news’ on ABC 24 in the weekend.  There were two attractive heads giving us the golly gosh about some scientist who had found that cyclones are fewer and weaker now than they have been in 500 years.

Now I am not sure it is news, but when the presenters start prattling on about how surprising this finding is in view of climate change, we really know that the ABC has jumped the shark.

And when the two presenters switched to interviewing said scientist, the first question was about how surprising the result was in view of climate change predictions.

This really told me a lot:

  • Group think is alive and well in the ABC;
  • The presenters don’t think twice about giving the audience the benefit of their presumptions;
  • The choice of ‘news’ and who is interviewed are important elements of bias in the ABC.  (I would like a dollar for every time Tony and I have said to each other when watching the ABC news – “this isn’t news”.)

Any tips, instances, etc. very welcome.

I noticed the Fact-Checking Unit undertaking some pathetic attempt to look at the sustainability of social welfare payments in Australia.  It was so superficial and so misleading, I really don’t know why they bother.  (Oh, that would be because the Labor government gave them the money.)

And another thing: has anyone noticed the logical fallacy that is regularly trotted out by ABC types – oh, we have complaints from both sides, so we must be right and balanced?

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120 Responses to ABC Watch

  1. blogstrop

    Abbott’s on 7.30 with Leigh Sales.

  2. Rabz

    For a classic example of how utterly arrogant and unprofessional these tax hoovers are, look up La Vitrioli’s ($245,090) run in with Greg Hunt over his description of the ‘carbon tax’.

  3. the sting

    It is time for the government to govern on this ABC treachery against Australia.No need for an enquiry just close them down.The money saved can be put to better use.

  4. stackja

    The ABC died in 1968. The funeral is now only being arranged.

  5. Grigory M

    It is time for the government to govern on this ABC treachery against Australia.No need for an enquiry just close them down.The money saved can be put to better use.

    Absolutely correct.

  6. candy

    Abbott’s on 7.30 with Leigh Sales.

    I suppose she will accuse him of trying to destroy the ABC.

  7. Armadillo

    That must be a damn long pencil. Make sure you have a sharpener at the ready.

  8. Gab

    I have my pad and pencil ready. I am about to embark on an ABC Watch.

    Sounds like a full-time job, Judith.

  9. Gab

    Not sure if this is what you require, Judith, but this article by former ABC journalist, Geoffrey Luck over at Quadrant on the Bali plane crash might be of interest.

  10. egg_

    There were two attractive heads

    Generally so on ABC24 vs ABC1 – marketing?

  11. egg_

    I suppose she will accuse him of trying to destroy the ABC.

    I hope he’s taking a hardhat and sledge hammer along?

  12. Alex Robson

    One doesn’t “watch” the ABC. One monitors it.

  13. james

    I saw that fact checking section as well. The laughable comparisons between Australia and Europe was interesting.

    The conclusion that the Australian welfare state is hunky dory and will last forever delivered with assurance to camera by a tax eating grub was worrying.

  14. Tel

    There were two attractive heads giving us the golly gosh about some scientist who had found that cyclones are fewer and weaker now than they have been in 500 years.

    Dr Ryan Maue has been pointing out the reduction of cyclone activity for quite a few years, I guess they did their best to ignore him as ling as possible.

  15. Armadillo

    There were two attractive heads

    B1 and B2? It certainly wouldn’t have been Viteroli and Mr Smirky.

  16. Armadillo

    Viteroli Ms Bitteroli.

  17. hoppers

    Judith Sloan – brave lady!

  18. .

    Karina Carvalho is a total babe.

    (The correct term is babes, sir.)

    That is all.

  19. Supplice

    Will be looking forward to comparing Judith’s notes with Nancy’s. A friday arvo double-header?

  20. Aussiejohn

    “logical fallacy”. Or course! What else? It’s the ABC! Their speciality is fallacy ( misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning).

  21. And Another Thing

    Since the election the ABC seems to have been working out its rage on almost daring the Government to do something about it. The refugee-torture fiasco stands out, but any serious ABC watch would have to note the hundreds of instances in which reports put to air are worded to the advantage of the left. An example of this would be the latest unions blow-up. One would think that this matter was of some disadvantage to Labor, but the way it was introduced on PM implied Tony Abbott would descend on it with glee.
    A correctly thinking person would think the Prime Minister would be appalled at the revelations, but he’s not getting any concessions on that from the ABC. So even if a story is about a Labor problem, Abbott will be criticized. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. The ABC is mainly in the business of spinning the news.

  22. Geriatric Mayfly

    The line up of academic beards and learned women of uncertain gender, to offer commentary and answer patsy questions are never unpredictable, and rarely from outside theABC tent. This is supposed to add gravitas to any given topic. Here it invites ridicule, “Not that self aggrandising fart again!!!” Pad and pencil at the ready.

  23. cohenite

    Was the scientist Ryan Maue. If so this guy is one of the more presentable climate sceptics going around.

    I’d like to get him on a tour of Australia along with a Russian scientist who is an expert on condensation, Anastassia Makarieva .

    Currently some of the lads are organising for Christopher Essex to visit Australia; Essex is a great scientist but for presenting to the public what a double Maue and Makarieva would make.

  24. MarcH

    This blog may assist, paryicularly on the climate thingy..http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au

  25. manalive

    Any tips, instances, etc. very welcome …

    The bias in what and how to report, whose facts are checked or not, is so ingrained that consumers of the product become inured to it. There’s a typical concrete example in today’s Australian Letters page:

    FOLLOWING the government’s decision on SPC Ardmona, reporting by the ABC and Sky News differed significantly. “Thousands of jobs will be lost” opened the ABC news report; Sky focused on the decision and the government’s reasons.
    The ABC cut Abbott off as he was about to refer to SPC workers’ pay and allowances; Sky reported the comment. Interviewees critical of the government, including the only Liberal MP (subtext: Liberal disunity) outnumbered the few supporting it. Sky gave pro and anti speakers equal time.
    J.A. Kirkpatrick, Darling Point, NSW

  26. Menai Pete

    The ABC will not listen to or acknowledge criticism so it is time to resort to insult, mockery and derision in an attempt to either influence change or extract revenge.
    There is a cafe in the ABC building in Harris St Ultimo (a short walk from Sydney’s Central Station). The cafe is frequented by ABC types at morning tea and lunch time.
    For a giggle, pay the cafe a visit at morning tea or lunchtime have a meal or a coffee and talk loudly, disparagingly and critically about the idiots who work for the ABC.
    Perhaps the Navy should pay a visit.

  27. CatAttack

    As predicted Get Up have exhumed Benita from Playschool and the Bananas B1 and B2 to lead the pro ABC campaign.

    Rest assured their campaign will have absolutely nothing to do with Leftard bias and efficiencies and will focus its energies on Abbott attacking cherished childhood symbols. How long before Dr Who or Mr Sqiggle makes an appearance?

  28. Bruce of Newcastle

    One thing to watch is their careful inclusion of a couple of green-progressive hot button stories in each formal bulletin. Typically these are on gays, greenery of some sort (eg the Great Barrier Reef or the Sea Shepherd), inner city stuff and a supposedly horrible policy of the government (tonight it was schools, yesterday child care).

    Its almost if they have a points system, no bulletin to go out with less that 20 pts worth of “cause” stuff.

    Another subtle thing the ABC has been doing is reducing its economic reporting in the main bulletins eg ABC 2 at lunchtime. Now (IIRC) they don’t quote evil capitalistic oil and gold prices anymore, nor individual ASX share prices, whereas they used to as recently as last year.

    The second thing to do is watch and compare with the commercial equivalent bulletins. They will have local news, economic stuff, crime and human interest. The economic news is much more detailed, eg share prices for a dozen companies on 7 Network news tonight. It is a totally different selection.

    Why?

  29. JC

    Judith
    Australian Story is on this evening. This program informs the public about a luvvie contracting cancer.

  30. Grigory M

    Karina Carvalho is a total babe.

    There’s something wrong with her neck. Her head always leans to the left.

    Oh. Of course.

  31. James In Footscray

    On The World Today this afternoon:

    ‘On the weekend the global charity, Oxfam, forced SodaStream’s global ambassador, the actress Scarlett Johansson, to end her association with the charity because of her ties to the West Bank factory.’

    Is this not an entirely accurate account?

  32. Mr Rusty

    Any tips, instances, etc. very welcome …

    Noting the “type” of bias in what is reported would be interesting.

    They really do the full gamut at the ABC, bias by omission (of any good stories for conservatives / bad for the left), subject bias (gays, global warming, progressive causes) selection bias (on panels), interruption bias (see Q&A), bias by selection of sources (washed up Indonesian TV stars), bias by placement and duration, bias by labelling and bias by spin.

  33. H B Bear

    The Nice Mr Scott seems determined to go down with the ship,

    But Mr Scott defended the ABC’s decision to cover the story, saying it had never sought to be “judge and jury” on the asylum seekers claims.

    “The ABC did not say that these allegations had been proved. The ABC said that they were important allegations and we went pursuing the truth,” he said.

    Listen to Mark Scott’s interview in full on ABC Radio’s Green-Left Weekly Radio Hour (Evening edition) formerly known as PM program at 6pm.

    I guess running unsubstantiated hearsay as the lead item on all news bulletins for two days doesn’t count for anything then?

  34. JC

    The Nice Mr Scott seems determined to go down with the ship,

    Why call him nice. He’s not nice, he’s a fucking arsehole.

  35. egg_

    The Nice Mr Scott seems determined to go down with the ship,

    The other ‘Ship of Fools’?

  36. Rob

    Before you embark on the watch, could you perhaps do an updated ledger of the political persuasions of Q&A panelists?

  37. Turtle of WA

    Scrote Face has moved to the right. That is, he used to sit to the left of the screen on Onesiders, now he sits to the right of the screen. Politically he is still of course a total pinko.

  38. Tom

    ◾The choice of ‘news’ and who is interviewed are important elements of bias in the ABC.

    ABC bias and censorship by omission is infernal and quite malicious. The narrative is decided before the story is written — even in straight “news” bulletins — to ensure that the correct outcome is achieved. This is not news. It is propaganda.

    The staff collective like to think ABC News is balanced and professional, but the same people also believe most people support gay marriage.

    Because the ABC has worked out how to totally circumvent accountability and any sort of effective complaints procedure and because the staff have zero compliance with ratings, audience preference or financial performance through KPIs etc, the staff and management live in a bubble of ever increasing budgets and self-congratulation.

    Scott is the epitome of the ABC’s up yours culture. His major skill is playing politics to deflect criticism.

    There is no point attempting to create accountability through the board. The ABC culture is to raise two fingers to anyone who demands accountability about anything ever.

    In the short term, the Australia Network, which is a slush fund being used to finance budget fat that has nothing to do with the Australia Network, needs to be shut down, financial accountability for every dollar spent introduced through external audit and an external, independent ombudsman appointed to ensure charter compliance and an effective complaints system, with authority to fire transgressors.

  39. Marg

    More things to watch:
    – Headlines
    eg. ABC Online four days ago:
    “Malcolm Turnbull defends ABC independence as Coalition MPs feud over treatment of broadcaster”
    (“Feud” implies bitter and ongoing hostility. Hardly the case here).
    – Photos.
    Compare how often Abbott is meanly portrayed in comparison to his Labor counterparts.
    – Interviews.
    Apart from the actual questioning, interviews with Coalition figures can suddenly be cut off in order to cross to some seemingly more important story (especially when they’re going well).
    At times have also noted comparatively poor lighting when TA is being interviewed and also more cases of poor lip-synch.
    Maybe I imagine things, but it does seem that at times, some Labor interviewees come across as having been the recipient of a little help by way of having prior knowledge of the questions to be asked, whereas the Coalition guys seem to be on the receiving end of more “gotcha” questions.

    One time I complained to the ABC because, after hearing a comment of Tony Abbott on ABC News, I later read a transcript (I think it was from the radio show PM), where they quoted what Mr Abbott said on the news. In the transcription however, a subtle change was made in that the punctuation was altered so that it made it sound like Mr Abbott said something completely different to what he actually said. I did receive an acknowledgment of the error with a promise it would be corrected.

    Another time, Tony Jones interviewed Jay Lehr of the Heartland Institute about Climate Change.
    Later when I searched for the interview on Google I could not find it. This was, as I eventually found out, because the ABC has mis-pelt Lehr’s name on the video clip.
    Of course there is no way of proving that these two errors were deliberate, but I can’t help wondering that its possible they are the work of some eager young ABC employee.

  40. local oaf

    The reason the ABC can point to their criticism of both Liberal and Labor governments and imply that they occupy an unbiased “middle ground”, is that they are actually way, way to the left of the Labor Party.

    All ABC criticisms of Labor governments are that they aren’t left wing enough!

    ABC staff aren’t as stupid as people imagine, they know precisely how biased they are.
    Like all on the left, they see themselves as being “good” and anyone who disagrees with them as “evil”. They don’t see any reason why they should give equal time to people they believe to be evil.

  41. Habib

    Can’t say I’ve ever seen too many attractive heads on any part of the ABC. Usually they’re hatchet-faced, purse-lipped, smugly superior harridans, matched with simpering girlie-men. Their appearance mirrors their mindset and product. Besides the stunning hypocrisy of a public funded, energy-gobbling organisation reliant on carbon-riddled power supply applying itself to making power as expensive as possible, can anyone come up with a viable, logical reason for its existence? I’m buggered if I can think of one.

  42. CatAttack

    How many times have conservative commentators outnumbered Leftards on the Drum, Insiders and Q&A? Q&A toss in a few authors, actors and actresses to give the impression of balance but lo and behold they turn out to be personal friends of Kevin or Julia or paid up members of the Labor party. They just can’t help themselves.

  43. Free Advice

    Tony smashes Leigh for six.

  44. Notafan

    I don’t think the issue of bias will be resolved until the ABC is privatised at which point they can be as biased as they like. Keep Scottie and his crew, the worse they are the better it will be. Remove Australia Network, tell SBS they are getting less money and need to attract move advertising revenue, and introduce the same model at the ABC with an expectation that after five years they will be cut loose. The savings can go into the NDIS to make it palatable to the public. It is a long time since the ABC has been ad free anyhow.
    Then all those lefties can really own Aunty by putting their money where their mouths are. in fact float 49% in 2015.

  45. Bons

    An outstanding matter which defines the collective more than any other was the ‘ Cancer Cluster’ scam in Brisbane.
    Twas a cluster alright but had nothing to do with cancer. Cost the taxpayer a fortune and of cause Australian Story gave it an emotional but totally unscientific run.

  46. Des Deskperson

    ‘As predicted Get Up have exhumed Benita from Playschool and the Bananas B1 and B2 to lead the pro ABC campaign’

    As Catattack says, the ‘wonderful’ services that the ABC provides for the kiddies is likely to be a major focus in pro-ABC lobbying.

    Cats ought therefor to take a look at ABC4kids, these days it’s as crudely exploitative as any junk food ad, the shows – almost none of them live and mostly imported – are aggressively linked to products – toys, clothes, accessories, books, games – most of which kids are encouraged to nag their parents to buy at ABC shops.

    The one very honourable exception is Playschool.

  47. blogstrop

    Leigh Sales interview with Tony Abbott was unremittingly hostile. There has been no change. There will be no change until they are defunded. I’m not going to go over the whole thing (I have notes though), but her assertion that they have to be either “fair and reasonable” or just barrack for the government and Australia is typical misrepresentation of the argument. Then saying that they are starved of correct information, coming so soon after their chow-down on incorrect info used with prejudice, was outrageous.
    She even tried the old “Mission Accomplished ” smear against Abbott re the boats. Too much.
    Judith has plenty of material to use if she wants to. Frank Devine tried but was fatigued by the effort of holding back a tsunami. Defund.
    (note: the skull is looking “in the pink” expecting another sprog – I’d wish her all the best if she’d been more even-handed with conservatives during her tenure. As it is, sorry, you’re on your own. I hope you don’t have a job to come back to because you dishonour the trust, just like all your mates at the ABC dishonour the trust that should be essential and freely given for a so-called national broadcaster)

  48. Snoopy

    .
    #1176627, posted on February 3, 2014 at 6:13 pm
    Karina Carvalho is a total babe.

    x100

  49. CatAttack

    Case in point. La Trioli involuntarily tried this morning to extract an admission from the slimy Sea Shepherd spokesman. She knew that he was prevaricating (read lying) about interfering with the Japanese ship but her heart really wasn’t in it. Blame the crummy satellite signal but rest assured if it was Greg Hunt she wouldn’t have left it alone and would have made an aside to wrap up. Remember how she wiped the floor with the Kmart CEO explaining their Bangladeshi policy (which was featured on their promos).

    And this is basically the problem cherished Leftards like Bob Brown and Sarah Two Dads get an easy ride. They are rarely asked the hard questions but even if they are they are almost never forced to ultimately explain themselves fully. It’s all a little bit half hearted so they are left to sanctimoniously adopt the high moral ground because most ABC interviewers just can’t bring themselves to contradict their own world view.

  50. blogstrop

    Karina has been around for quite a while – what kept you all? Yes, easy on the eye, for sure, but just as capable as any of the others at the ALPBC of putting the spin on the story of the moment.

  51. Tom

    Bloggy, haven’t watched yet. As Free Advice suggests above, did Abbott smash Sales?

  52. jupes

    Tony smashes Leigh for six.

    Yeah, he had to negotiate some tricky bowling at the opening of the innings – the cadbury question – but he survived that and went on to smash every subsequent ball to the boundary.

    He even called the Human Rights Commissioner Garbage out on her failure to investigate kiddies in detention while Labor was allowing 50,000 illegals into the country, and got extra bonuses for mentioning the word ‘illegal’ multiple times.

    Good stuff.

  53. Rabz

    has anyone noticed the logical fallacy that is regularly trotted out by ABC types – oh, we have complaints from both sides, so we must be right and balanced?

    Oh, what a load of crap. Hendo’s had a few things to say about those bleatings.

  54. Ed

    Triple J’s news sometimes sounds like a pastiche of press releases from welfare organisations, environmental activists and sundry other far left organisations.

  55. cohenite

    The ABC ‘s bias in favour of AGW, like all AGW propaganda, always zooms in on children. Some samples from the kiddie friendly ABC include this and in particular this one called Planet-slayer.

    Planet-slayer was based on a measure of the lifestyle choices of the kids with those who exceeded what was regarded as a sustainable amount grew into a large fat pig which inevitably blew up.

    This is reminiscent of the infamous exploding kids video where sceptical kids were blown up.

    The abuse of kids by all advocates of AGW has been an undercurrent of the tactics used by the alarmists from day one and some of the videos and pictures involving kids have been despicable.

  56. blogstrop

    He did well, Tom. She was the usual ABC disgrace, as you might have gathered.

  57. Rabz

    Triple J’s news sometimes sounds like a pastiche of press releases from welfare organisations, environmental activists and sundry other far left organisations.

    It’s ‘news’ always sounds like that, because that’s exactly what it is.

    Disclaimer – I still listen to Triple J occasionally.

  58. Ed

    has anyone noticed the logical fallacy that is regularly trotted out by ABC types – oh, we have complaints from both sides, so we must be right and balanced?

    They get lots of complaints that they are too pro-Australia.
    Heaps of complaints like that.
    And pro-mining. The anti-mining lobby gives them no end of grief. And not a day goes by when someone says the ABC is just way too pro-capitalism.

  59. JC

    Scott’s interview today sounded like Nixon’s “I’m not a crook” speech. I really think these fuckers are worried as they realize they have a posse of really pissed off people wanting to rip them apart.

  60. blogstrop

    Disc-claimer – I never listen to JJJ, but sometimes try FBI 94.5 to see what they’re doing.

  61. blogstrop

    Good one Ed. You might find, however, that they get complaints about not doing enough to raise awareness of global warmenising.

  62. Tom

    Scott’s interview today sounded like Nixon’s “I’m not a crook” speech.

    Exactly what I thought. He’s a terminal piece of shit heading for the high jump and even his supporters now know instinctively he’s a rotting corpse.

  63. Ed

    No such list would be complete without the TripleJ show “Restoring the Balance.”

    In response to accusations a while ago that they were left leaning, they decided to go for broke. They launched a satirical radio show called “Restoring the Balance” which featured some in-house comedians taking the piss out of conservatives. That was the whole show, every week. That’s how much they really don’t care.

    It was like they said: “f- you. We’re going to be biased as we like. Watcha going to do about it?”

  64. Andrew

    In the transcription however, a subtle change was made in that the punctuation was altered so that it made it sound like Mr Abbott said something completely different to what he actually said.

    Marg, unless Abbott666 was helping his Uncle Jack off a horse, how did the punctuation make that much difference?

  65. Ed

    The show ‘Restoring the Balance’ showed that
    a) they have utter contempt for the notion of balance
    b) they’re untouchable
    c) they dare you to try to do something about it.

  66. Andrew

    They get lots of complaints that they are too pro-Australia.
    Heaps of complaints like that.
    And pro-mining. The anti-mining lobby gives them no end of grief. And not a day goes by when someone says the ABC is just way too pro-capitalism.

    You think GetUp is actually arranging trolls (possibly one of Gillard’s 1500-strong paid troll army) to make complaints to get the GreenBC’s neutrality stats up?

  67. Goanna

    Politics is not very complicated in my binary world. There are those driven by sentiment on the left and those given to reason on the right. It is the way it is.
    The left and the ABC would have it that their moral world view is righteous and more superior.
    To this end you will notice the way the ABC emphasises what they describe in all seriousness on the News as “an emotional outpouring” of something or other.
    It suits their cause that an emotional (sentimental) response to the world is valid and becomes more accepted generally.
    I am sick of politicians on the left weeping about some issue or other.
    Reasonable people do behave in this manner.
    Time to nuke the ABC or at least hold these silly people to unremitting ridicule … if you could be bothered.
    Some are.

  68. JC

    Do any of these fuckers have a real degree?

    Leigh (Sales) was a journalist with the Nine Network in Brisbane before joining the ABC and is a graduate of Deakin University (Master of International Relations) and Queensland University of Technology (Bachelor of Journalism). [2]

    Emma Alberici:

    After attending Our Lady of Mercy College in Heidelberg, Victoria, Melbourne, Alberici studied Journalism and Economics at Deakin University. At Melbourne University, she completed a BA in Italian.

    Paul Barry

    Barry started his journalistic career in London, as an economics correspondent for Investors Chronicle. In 1978 he joined the BBC as a reporter for The Money Programme, Newsnight, and then Panorama. In 1986 he moved to Australia and started work with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

    Kerry O’Brien

    Born into a working class Catholic family in Brisbane, Queensland,[1] O’Brien started as a news cadet in 1966. He has worked in newspapers, wire service and television news and current affairs, as a general reporter, feature writer, political and foreign correspondent, interviewer and compere, and also served as press secretary to then Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam.

    Ol’Leatherface Barrie Cassidy

    Cassidy was born in Wangaratta, Victoria and grew up in the Victorian town of Chiltern, attending Rutherglen High School. He had many brothers and an elder sister, and grew up with a love of football and sports.

    Starting his career as a cadet on the Albury Border Morning Mail in 1969,[1] he moved to the Shepparton News about a year later before being hired as a court reporter for the Melbourne Herald. Joining the ABC Network, he initially covered state politics. He moved to Canberra to become the ABC’s federal political correspondent for radio and television in 1979.

    Tony Jones (has an arts degree)

    Jones attended Newington College (1970–74)[1] and the University of Sydney as a resident of St Paul’s College.

  69. Viva

    Had to turn off the Drum on ABC 24 this arvo – yeah in disgust. There were the usual two lefties plus a token Wendy Machin, former state national party pol who resigned ages ago and didn’t seem to know what Christopher Pyne’s policy on allowing more schools to be independent involved and had zilch to say about much at all – except to agree that money should be given to drought affected farmers. She failed to counter the other two commenters opinion that there was as much corruption and thuggery in construction companies as there are in building unions. Basically she just sat there in a fetching pink top. When they brought on the headmaster who vowed and declared that making schools more independent had no affect on outcomes I had enough and pulled the plug.

  70. Ed

    Disc-claimer – I never listen to JJJ

    The fact that you think it’s still called “JJJ” says it all.
    :-)

  71. wal1957

    Just watched Leigh Sales interview PM Abbott on the 7.30 Report.
    She tried to justify the lies that the ABC reported re illegal immigrants having their hands burned on boat engines by Australian Navy Personnel by saying that their is a lack of information coming from the government.

    Leigh, how about reporting the facts! A fact is information that can, and has been verified by at least one, but hopefully two or more reliable sources. Were you not taught that in journalism school?

    What an arrogant, ignorant piece of work she, and the ABC in general are!

  72. Goanna

    Correction: Reasonable people do NOT behave in this manner.

  73. Pyrmonter

    Well, tonight’s first Four Corners is a good example of ABC “reporting”: emotive appeals for “regulation” to deal with “lethal” competition; uncritical airtime for the TWU’s own Senator Serle (a former TWU organiser), a insinuations that CHAMP Equity are the private equity bean-counters who cut corners on safety. Ironic, given that CHAMP boasts of its Industry Funds support.

  74. tomix


    c) they dare you to try to do something about it.

    The psychopaths challenge. These people only yield to force or the credible threat of force.

  75. pseudonym

    Surely we have more important problems to sort out than dealing with the ABC.

    I agree that they are a pack of clowns, and so, they deserve all the ridicule that you can throw at them.

    However, the priorities must be for us to deliver on the election promises and to otherwise clear out the mess left by the previous mob. That is an ambitious agenda.

    Let’s not get distracted from the main game.

  76. candy

    ABC are more hostile than ever now to Tony Abbott, after being found out about their supporting the torture lies.
    Where this goes for Mark Scott is anyone’s guess.

  77. Alfonso

    Abbott’s deliberately? getting it wrong railing against the reporting of Snowden.
    Snowden’s leaks are fair game for media and accurate, it seems.
    The torturing RAN is made up and reported by Their ABC for their own political purposes and our Tone should stick to that.

  78. JakartaJaap

    Habib, wrt attractive heads, harridans and girly- men, all I can say is ‘Cobra, spot on!!’

  79. Splatacrobat

    Breaking News: ABC head announces appointment of a conservative presenter.
    Eager to redress the perceived political imbalance in the ABC Managing Director Mark Scott announced today the appointment of a well known conservative media personality to be the face of a new exciting political discussion panel called Right way Wrong way.

    Rhys Muldoon best known for his work on Play School said he was delighted to take up this new role and has committed to a more balanced approach when discussing the views of those heartless bastards on the other side of politics.
    Other right wing commentators tipped to join the panel are believed to be Bob Ellis, Catherine Deveny, and Peter Fitzsimons.
    Scott finished his press conference by saying Right way Wrong way will clearly send a message that there is a place for conservative views on the ABC and ABC viewers will be left in no doubt what those views are.

    News at 11.00

  80. incoherent rambler

    ABC is damned more by what it omits.

    e.g. “The hottest January 7 day ever!” versus not a word when it the coldest.

  81. Surely we have more important problems to sort out than dealing with the ABC.

    The good governance of the country—an essential task of governments—now and in the future is quite dependant on the way that the media present those important problems, and how well the various political parties (and their representatives and candidates) might be qualified to solve them.

  82. Johno

    Let’s not get distracted from the main game.

    Sorting out the Left’s ABC is part of the main game.

  83. .

    Pyrmonter
    #1176789, posted on February 3, 2014 at 9:05 pm
    Well, tonight’s first Four Corners is a good example of ABC “reporting”: emotive appeals for “regulation” to deal with “lethal” competition; uncritical airtime for the TWU’s own Senator Serle (a former TWU organiser), a insinuations that CHAMP Equity are the private equity bean-counters who cut corners on safety. Ironic, given that CHAMP boasts of its Industry Funds support.

    CHAMP Equity are operators, I have dealt with them in business.

    They would not cut corners, as they try to flog off companies they run for a while. You don’t rip up the carpet in a house you’re trying to sell just to fit a stereotype as a stingy investor etc.

  84. Pyrmonter

    @ Dot – I wasn’t saying Champ were, or weren’t good operators – although their performance on Retail Adventures wasn’t exactly what I’d boast of; rather noting a certain irony in that they’ve been favoured with industry funds (and accepted them).

    More generally – does 4C take stories from anyone other than unions and the Labor lawyers?

    FWIW, did I correctly hear Paul Barry having claimed he voted Liberal?

  85. Marg

    Andrew 8.51pm

    In the transcription however, a subtle change was made in that the punctuation was altered so that it made it sound like Mr Abbott said something completely different to what he actually said.

    Marg, unless Abbott666 was helping his Uncle Jack off a horse, how did the punctuation make that much difference?

    Andrew, unfortunately I can’t find the copy of the correspondence and I can’t even remember what subject Tony Abbott was speaking about at the time. I do remember that it was a comma that was changed, and that it definitely changed the sense of the message so that the text seemed to be saying something different to what he actually said. In reply to my complaint, the ABC agreed, apologized for their mistake, and made the correction.

  86. Armadillo

    Judith, I decided to go and have a look at ‘The Shaggers’ speech to Parliament the other day when he was in court. It was under 7 minutes @ the ABC (the ‘selective’ editing is marvelous). The real thing (thanks to a link from ‘the Cats’) is just shy of one hour. Look @ their other video coverage on their ‘favourite’ topics. It tells you exactly what the bastards are up to.

  87. wreckage

    The only references I could find were an SMH piece telling us that Sales had CAUGHT OUT ABBOTT because it turns out he hasn’t read the BHP annual company report.

  88. A H

    I tuned into Raphael Epstein one evening. He had a former Howard staffer… now media consultant on the show. The guy was saying that generally ABC is maybe just a little bit biased… then ‘Raph’ comes out with “Don’t you think you’re being — subjective?” … “Yes, that’s fine, can’t we agree that you’re being subjective?” and so on.

    Unfortunately the guy on the other end didn’t have come back with “Yeah, I’m supposed to be subjective. You, on the other hand are meant to be impartial.”

  89. wreckage

    Really what’s needed is a way to 100% defund them with immediate effect, then let whoever gives a shit try to rebuild after the next election, assuming the move actually amounts to an election loser.

  90. Armadillo

    Our ABC needs to be given back to the Australian people. An equal share should be given to every Australian taxpayer.. You may choose to sell your share or keep it. It should be defunded at a rate of 20% per year over 5 years.

    Then again, as Anne Henderson pointed out on ‘The Dumb” New Zealand just scrapped their national broadcaster overnight and no one gave a shit.

  91. H B Bear

    Full interview of the Nice Mr Scott on the Green-Left Weekly Radio Hour (Evening edition) formerly known as PM on the ALPBC website, Scotty shows why the co-operative staff love him,

    MARK COLVIN: The ABC used the phrase that “the footage appears to back the allegations.”

    MARK SCOTT: Yeah.

    MARK COLVIN: Should it have used that phrase?

    MARK SCOTT: Well some people can second guess the semantics Mark. I think what I’m saying is that the allegations had been raised, had been reported everywhere. Then the videotape came to light. And that videotape, along with the claims of the asylum seekers again, sent that story forward. And what the ABC didn’t do was say that this was conclusive evidence at all. We said it clearly demonstrates…

    MARK COLVIN: But if we say that it “appears to back the allegations” aren’t we putting some weight behind the asylum seekers, and to some degree pre-judging the issue.

    MARK SCOTT: No, no, I don’t think we did pre-judge it Mark. I think the allegations had been widely reported all across the Australian media. Then the videotape came to light, and clearly, that videotape coming to light led to further questions, further allegations, further questions about what had happened on those boats. And what the ABC has been doing is pursuing that story.

    So there you go. Just a question of semantics.

  92. 2dogs

    has anyone noticed the logical fallacy that is regularly trotted out by ABC types – oh, we have complaints from both sides, so we must be right and balanced?

    I think what needs to happen with argument is this:

    1. Move the ABC complaints unit outside the organisation to be an independent body;
    2. Control the complaints volume by having a fee which is refundable if the complaint is sustained;
    3. Categorise and count the sustained complaints.

    Viola – an objective measure of ABC bias.

  93. H B Bear

    MARK SCOTT: … And it happens from both sides of politics. In fact the politician I think who’s been most outspoken to me in person around criticism of the ABC performance was Bob Brown, the former leader of the Greens.

    No problems at the ALPBC because the geriatric arseless chaps man from Tasmania complains a lot.

  94. 2dogs

    Our ABC needs to be given back to the Australian people. An equal share should be given to every Australian taxpayer.. You may choose to sell cancel your share or keep it.

    If you keep, you get a decoder card allowing you to continue receiving the now encrypted ABC broadcasts, but are obliged to pay an equal portion of the ABC’s costs as your fellow ABC members.

    If you cancel, no further access or payment required from you.

  95. 2dogs

    Note: the decoder card thing is available with digital TV. We can do this as soon as the roll out finishes.

  96. Leo G

    Viola – an objective measure of ABC bias.

    More like a flugelhorn.

  97. larrikin

    ABC watch!? the only time I will watch the ABC is when its circling the bowl for the last time.
    (but thank you to all those selfless compatriots who scout the airwaves and report back the enemy’s doings – you are this country’s latterday coast watchers)

  98. Tintarella di Luna

    I put this on the Monday Forum I think it’s better here

    6th of May 1983 is the last recorded sighting of the ABC acting without fear or favour

  99. CatAttack

    Last nights Q&A poor old Barnaby and Nick Cater against the rest. Once again see how they throw in a comedian (?) who is surprise surprise a committed Leftard.

    Questions arose about the newsworthiness of the bugging of of Indo President’s wife. They obviously have forgotten about Nancy Reagan. The trouble with the Edward Snowdons and Julian Assanges of this world is they are not in the business of handing out the secrets of the Russians, Chinese and Iranians. They only divulge the secrets of our friends.

    Obvious question for Snowcone of Ray Martin . Ask him how he felt when John Safran went through his rubbish. It was interesting but was it it newsworthy.!!

  100. feelthebern

    The good thing about the upcoming audit of the ABC will be how it shows that the ABC hasn’t spent all the Australia Network contract money on the Australia Network.
    Initially, all will look fine.
    But then, a few little tell tale signs where they have tried to tidy up the books will show that they have cooked the books.
    Then the contract will be ripped up & not re-instated (why should it be, if you have a smart phone you can view any web site you want).
    Then Tony will let Malcolm announce the merger of all government funded broadcasters operations & newsrooms.
    Most delivery platforms will be maintained, but will draw off one central cost center with one central newsroom.
    Not perfect, but it will mean that the cost base will be shrunk by 40%.
    That is, there will be a lot of luvvies who wont be living off our tax dollars.
    A lot of the protests will subside post looking through all the double dipping that has gone on where production companies have been used.
    Like AWU & HSU scandals etc, the goal will not be to stop it.
    The goal from the ABC will be to delay, get contracts paid out, get redundancies.
    & when a Labor government is elected in the future, they will all come back out of retirement & get back on the teat.

  101. Andrew

    a insinuations that CHAMP Equity are the private equity bean-counters who cut corners on safety. Ironic, given that CHAMP boasts of its Industry Funds support.

    To them, “safety” = union indoctrination “training.” Given reports of the “union day” being ALP election campaigning, I doubt actual safety even gets a mention (except in the context of “anyone who doesn’t join the union will likely be unsafe in our closed shop workplaces”).

    And PEq “cutting corners” means not employing the unproductive union “safety” guy who is on a retirement programme – contributing nothing to OHS, his job is to sit in the shade collecting $ until someone notifies him it’s time to call a stop-work meeting.

  102. MT Isa Miner

    cohenite

    #1176758, posted on February 3, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    The ABC ‘s bias in favour of AGW, like all AGW propaganda, always zooms in on children. Some samples from the kiddie friendly ABC include this and in particular this one called Planet-slayer.

    Planet-slayer was based on a measure of the lifestyle choices of the kids with those who exceeded what was regarded as a sustainable amount grew into a large fat pig which inevitably blew up.

    This is reminiscent of the infamous exploding kids video where sceptical kids were blown up.

    The abuse of kids by all advocates of AGW has been an undercurrent of the tactics used by the alarmists from day one and some of the videos and pictures involving kids have been despicable.

    Shit a brick, Cohenite, I had no idea about this one( the 10/10 mini movie). It’s great! Are they totally fucked in the head that they show their colours like that? The alternative is that they are religious fanantics?

  103. stevem

    I’ve always thought the ABC tried to be unbiased.

    I’ve always thought they did this by counting the number of times they criticise Labor and Liberal and use a vague equality in numbers to justify themselves. Unfortunately they criticise both from the left and they just don’t see it.

  104. .

    And PEq “cutting corners” means not employing the unproductive union “safety” guy who is on a retirement programme – contributing nothing to OHS, his job is to sit in the shade collecting $ until someone notifies him it’s time to call a stop-work meeting.

    Which is no different to a mafia “no show” ‘job’.

  105. Evcricket

    Yeah yeah we get it, conservatives hate the ABC. Movie at 11.

  106. james

    Yeah yeah we get it, conservatives hate the ABC. Movie at 11.

    Ever wonder why that might be?

    Or is it just because in your mind anyone on the non-left must be a devil in human form with a stone where their heart should be?

  107. Gab

    Yeah yeah we get it,

    Written by a leftard.

    Hehehe. Right there confirms the leftarded bias at their ABC.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Movie at 11.

    Taxpayer funded I’ll bet, you useless mooching swine.

  109. peter

    So Judith claims the ABC segment on cyclone activity said they would be “weaker” . Sorry no mention of that word in all the interview with Prof Jonathon Nott. Judith finds bias in the question about any link to climate change. Here’s the question. “So if cyclone activity is dropping to record lows is this counter intuitive to what we’re being told about the impact of climate change?
    And the answer from Prof Nott? “No it’s actually in line with the global climate change models that incorporate tropical cyclone activity which predict a decrease due to climate change toward the end of the 21st century. It appears now sooner”.
    Maybe Judith should stick to economics.

  110. Menai Pete

    Yeah yeah we get it, conservatives hate the ABC. Movie at 11.

    Wrong. It’s not the ABC we hate. It’s the mindless, indoctrinated, pompous, pseudo-intellectual dickheads who work for the ABC who are subject to our derision and suspicion.

  111. Evcricket

    For a little perspective here are what some other Australians think of the ABC
    https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/430496764110848001/photo/1

  112. Leo G

    Maybe Judith Peter should stick to economics:-

    “Earlier studies assessed in the TAR showed that future tropical cyclones would likely become more severe with greater wind speeds and more intense precipitation. More recent modelling experiments have addressed possible changes in tropical cyclones in a warmer climate and generally confirmed those earlier results.” – IPCC AR4

  113. Ros

    Jonathon Holmes told us that it was unknown to the ABC who had made the video of the burnt hand and the notetaking Indonesian, and that Roberts wouldn’t say.
    Scott describes it as “came to light”. So either the ABC still doesn’t know the provenance of the footage, or they don’t believe in transparency on their behalf and won’t tell us. But as Scott says that the “video came to light” I would suspect they still don’t know. So he bases his defence of their approach on a video which he doesn’t know to be a capture of a true event, ie the examination of a victim of navy “torture” by a police health clinic in Kapung.
    So as they say, hiding the facts leads to rumour and supposition. So what may we suppose.
    Maybe an Indonesian policeman opportunely recorded the event as it occurred. But then I have every faith that the ABC would have trumpeted, given to us by the Indonesian police, lovely evidence for them of Indonesian anger at Australia. So possible but improbable that it was an Indonesian police footage. Or a people smuugler PR person was luckily present at the police health clinic, again posssible but improbable that the Indonesian police give the people smuggles free reign to video their activities.
    Or Roberts, following the channel 7 report flew to Kupang (because surely the efficient and effective ABC would not place a reporter in Kupang on a permanent basis), and arrived fortuitously as a victim of torture was being examined, but again why would the Indonesian police be party, and if so why not say so. Or two, Roberts flew to Kupang and organised a re-enactment, at best, or this was fiction, no such event as presented in the footage actually took place, he staged it.
    However if the last is the case we can no doubt expect a full expose from Media Watch who would find unacknowledged re-enactements or fictions totally unacceptable.
    A check of the reports of this event, burns inflicted by our navy, reported in the Jakarta Post and Jakarta Glob, all state that the story was reported by the ABC, Australia’s public broadcaster. These papers acknowledge the ABC as raising the further allegations and questions, why would they be shy of claiming they had investigated for themselves. They wouldn’t.
    And the logic, that the footage of a person with burns has his hand held while some other person makes lengthy notes about that hand is proof. The ABC’s explanations for their decision that they had proof of cruelty and malice by our navy, 2 events, and one event followed another event, the first irregular migrants, or their spokesperson (or the people smugglers spokesperson) claim torture, the second a video of a person somewhere having their blistered hand held . That is all they demonstrate, they provide no proof that one event caused the other event, just assert it is so, with manufactured evidence we could suspect. In light of the secrecy.

  114. whyisitso

    The owner of this dump is a wealthy individual. It sold for $1,090,000.

  115. wreckage

    Actually conservatives love the ABC. It’s libertarians who hate it. Fuck, try to get SOMETHING right wouldja?

  116. JC

    Hey Pete

    Professor Not’s runs contrary to the IPPCC which suggests more extreme weather events, you fucking idiot.

    Maybe prof Not ought go read it and get up to speed.

    What’s his training by the way and where?

  117. JC

    Fme another clmate botherer.

  118. Tom

    Hahahahaha!!! Evan Fuckknuckles, the Cat’s latest smartarse troll who’s just been sacked from the APS climate scam department, is giving us GetUp Twitter garbage to prove how much smarter than everyone else he and the fucktard left are. Here’s a tip: you want t0 get a link read here, make sure it’s not from the GetUp mental asylum.

  119. Bill Thompson

    Judith,

    I’ve got about 3 years of complaints to the ABC & correspondence with John Faine & Media Watch which I’d like to share with you. I’ve included a sample, below. Can you advise me of an email address to which I could send it, in a single Word doc, to streamline the process for you?

    Cheers,

    Bill Thompson
    Melbourne

    To: Audience & Consumer Affairs
    From: Bill Thompson ([email protected])
    Subject: editorials masquerading as news
    Date: 16/03/11 15:18

    —————————————————————————
    ABC program: ABC mid-day news
    Date of program: 16 March 2011
    Location: VIC
    Subject: editorials masquerading as news
    Comments: It’s finally come to this!

    I was well & truly used to it with Kerry O’Brien but now I even find it necessary to Google the stooges the ABC News bulletins have the gall to present as ‘experts’!
    On today’s mid-day news there was an extensive ‘interview’ with Prof Tilman Ruff, during which he was allowed unfettered opportunity to present his personal views on the nuclear emergency in Japan.
    Afterwards, I Googled his name & it came as no surprise to find that he appears to have no formal qualifications whatsoever in nuclear physics, but is simply a long-standing anti-nuclear activist, with actual expertise in the entirely unrelated field of infectious diseases.
    How dare you allow such an individual to speak at length on what purported to be a news bulletin, without making clear that his comments were simply the OPINION of someone who in relation to the topic is essentially an unqualified bozo in the street? In fact why were his opinions even sought – unless they were already known to mesh with those of the ABC news managers?
    How about a bit of disclosure? What proportion of ABC news managers & journos are ‘anti-nuclear’?
    Bill Thompson
    ************

    re: editorials masquerading as news‏

    ABC Corporate_ Affairs8 29/04/2011
    To: [email protected]

    Dear Mr Thompson

    Thank you for your email.

    Your concerns have been considered by Audience and Consumer Affairs, a unit separate to and independent from ABC program areas. In light of the matters you raise we have sought a response from ABC News management, and assessed the story against the ABC’s Editorial Policies (2009) for accuracy in news and current affairs programming which state:

    “Every reasonable effort, in the circumstances, must be made to ensure that the factual content of news and current affairs is accurate and in context.”

    In response to your concerns, ABC News has provided the following comments: “We approached Ruff because he had already been interviewed on other media, and he had a valid perspective to contribute. We acknowledged his academic background as it seemed the most appropriate way to describe him. However, we accept that his role with anti-nuclear professional organisations was relevant and should have been included in his description. It simply wasn’t noted and picked up by the program team when they contacted him. News considers this is therefore an accuracy breach, by omitting relevant context.”

    Audience and Consumer Affairs agrees with News that this report did not meet the accuracy standards for news reporting; the story did not provide the appropriate context for the audience to know Associate Professor Tilman Ruff’s position on nuclear issues. Please be assured that this matter has been brought to the attention of ABC News management.

    Over time, the Midday Report has provided a range of viewpoints on the nuclear situation in Japan; for instance, the next day on 17 March nuclear consultant Dr John Price, a former member of the Safety Policy Unit of the National Nuclear Corporation in the UK, was featured at some length in an interview.

    For your reference, the ABC Code of Practice (July 2008) is available online at: http://abc.net.au/corp/pubs/documents/200806_codeofpractice-revised_2008.pdf Should you be dissatisfied with this response to your complaint, you may be able to pursue your complaint with the Australian Communications and Media Authority http://www.acma.gov.au Please note that while the ABC Code of Practice (July 2008) makes reference to the Complaints Review Executive and Independent Complaints Review Panel, these avenues of review have been discontinued as a result of changes to the ABC’s self-regulatory framework which came into effect on 11 April 2011. For more information about the changes the ABC has made to its self-regulatory framework, please refer to the report available here – http://www.abc.net.au/corp/pubs/documents/review_of_the_abc_self_regulation_framework_1009.pdf.

    Thank you again for bringing your concerns to the attention of the ABC.

    Yours sincerely

    Denise Musto
    Audience and Consumer Affairs

  120. Paridell

    2dogs…

    Viola is the heroine of Twelfth Night.

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